Re: [WISPA] ISPCON
Peter, Unfortuneately, I missed all but two sessions. Darn management duties, can't escape them even in FL :-( Its was a shame because their was a great line up of sessions on the dockett, good business and marking type stuff, such as yours. What I liked best was the Luncheon Topic Tables. Not much beats sitting head to head with a group of smart people on a common topic of interest. The big WOW for me was the knowledge learned from other attendees. It was interesting to hear what they found interesting. Its neat to watch the evolution. Guys I may have helped two or three years ago, now with more experience under their belt than then, bringing back new insight from their perspective. Everyone has something of value to offer and something to learn. So my point is, the WOW may not be a Product or a Topic, but People in general. From a product perspective, there were a couple of neat new products. I really liked the Remote Backup Software provider, where the model is, you sell the software to the client, and then the ISP Server software is free, and ISPs can host the Backup Storage on their own network and own servers for better controlled costs. The software paid attention to compression best practices to use the least possible amount of bandwidth, and used the processing power of the end user's PC to do it. My mind is drawing a blank on the Company Name, at the moment. A couple neat VOIP SoftSwitch and Hard Switch products on display. The truth is, I'm not sure I came back with any really big WOWs. I had a whole bunch of little WOWs. :-) But that could be because I missed most of the sessions. The CEO session of course is always great, but don't think appropriate to discuss those topics on an open list, so no comment on specifics. Show was a great success, for me. Peter, Did you get a WOW? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Peter R. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 12:39 AM Subject: [WISPA] ISPCON I was wondering if anyone had a WOW from the show. (Besides the side trip to Daytona, that is :) A copy of my slides can be seen at slideshare.net/4isps/. (We didn't use the slides. We just banged out 60+ nuggets of business wisdom in the time slot. One of my clients sent me the list; you can read it here: http://marketingideaguy.com/news/50-ideas-in-50-minutes-ispcon) Next week, I will have a conference call to recap these and ISPCON. Email me to join in. Start planning for ISPCON in San Jose on October 16-18. Regards, Peter Radizeski RAD-INFO, Inc. - NSP Strategist We Help ISPs Connect Communicate 813.963.5884 http://www.marketingIDEAguy.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.3/824 - Release Date: 5/29/2007 1:01 PM -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] ISPCON
Tom. I'm very interested in hearing any 'wows' from the CEO meeting. If you have time to post to the members list I'm sure I wouldn't be alone in my interest. As I said before, I thought that was the best part of ISPCON in Santa Clara. Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-ACCESS, INC [EMAIL PROTECTED] Providing High Speed Broadband to Rural Central California -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 11:15 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] ISPCON Peter, Unfortuneately, I missed all but two sessions. Darn management duties, can't escape them even in FL :-( Its was a shame because their was a great line up of sessions on the dockett, good business and marking type stuff, such as yours. What I liked best was the Luncheon Topic Tables. Not much beats sitting head to head with a group of smart people on a common topic of interest. The big WOW for me was the knowledge learned from other attendees. It was interesting to hear what they found interesting. Its neat to watch the evolution. Guys I may have helped two or three years ago, now with more experience under their belt than then, bringing back new insight from their perspective. Everyone has something of value to offer and something to learn. So my point is, the WOW may not be a Product or a Topic, but People in general. From a product perspective, there were a couple of neat new products. I really liked the Remote Backup Software provider, where the model is, you sell the software to the client, and then the ISP Server software is free, and ISPs can host the Backup Storage on their own network and own servers for better controlled costs. The software paid attention to compression best practices to use the least possible amount of bandwidth, and used the processing power of the end user's PC to do it. My mind is drawing a blank on the Company Name, at the moment. A couple neat VOIP SoftSwitch and Hard Switch products on display. The truth is, I'm not sure I came back with any really big WOWs. I had a whole bunch of little WOWs. :-) But that could be because I missed most of the sessions. The CEO session of course is always great, but don't think appropriate to discuss those topics on an open list, so no comment on specifics. Show was a great success, for me. Peter, Did you get a WOW? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Peter R. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 12:39 AM Subject: [WISPA] ISPCON I was wondering if anyone had a WOW from the show. (Besides the side trip to Daytona, that is :) A copy of my slides can be seen at slideshare.net/4isps/. (We didn't use the slides. We just banged out 60+ nuggets of business wisdom in the time slot. One of my clients sent me the list; you can read it here: http://marketingideaguy.com/news/50-ideas-in-50-minutes-ispcon) Next week, I will have a conference call to recap these and ISPCON. Email me to join in. Start planning for ISPCON in San Jose on October 16-18. Regards, Peter Radizeski RAD-INFO, Inc. - NSP Strategist We Help ISPs Connect Communicate 813.963.5884 http://www.marketingIDEAguy.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.3/824 - Release Date: 5/29/2007 1:01 PM -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Nice CPE
If you use openwrt you can get the meshing back. There are products that have the same mesh (olsr) and are certified. On 5/30/07, John Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cisco AP1242's are certified, and can put out 20 dB. They can be used with the Cisco 21 dB dish. In the config menu, there is a place to tell it what kind of an antenna is attached. John David E. Smith wrote: Ralph wrote: Then we could actually run Mikrotik on an FCC approved platform! I thought certification had to be acquired for a complete package, hardware AND software. Have I misunderstood? I haven't (yet) found specifications on the transmit power of the AR2316 single-chip-AP, but most Atheros gear can be configured to run at up to 24dBm or so. Meanwhile, according to Ubiquiti's spec sheet, the antenna in this unit has 18dBm gain. If you set the software to use the maximum power the card supports, you're probably over the legal EIRP limit. Wouldn't a hardware/software combination that will let you exceed power limits (because it doesn't know what kind of antenna you're using, so it can't even pop up a warning) be a Bad Thing? David Smith MVN.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Nice CPE
this explains it fairly well. http://wiki.openwrt.org/OpenWrtDocs/Hardware/Meraki/Mini Ed On Wed, 30 May 2007 19:38:08 -0700 CHUCK PROFITO [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dylan, How do you go about doing that? Using their back end is our biggest complaint, but we can see a use for them if we can get around their back end. Have you done this? Do you use the advertised cable from them? Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-ACCESS, INC [EMAIL PROTECTED] Providing High Speed Broadband to Rural Central California -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dylan Oliver Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 7:51 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nice CPE On 5/30/07, Ralph [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd also like to see more on this mesh software thay are talking about. We have a location that is suited for mesh, but haven't heard much feedback on the Wili box mesh from Deliberant or the one from Tranzeo. All the big boys (Tropos, Moto, Belair, Strix, etc) are way too overpriced for the small WISP. The little Meraki units seem promising but are wimpy in power and you have to use their backend. The Meraki units are wimpy (higher powered versions may yet come), but you don't have to use their dashboard - you can flash them with DD-WRT or whatever. Best, -- Dylan Oliver Primaverity, LLC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] ISPCON
Chuck, Talking about the ISP-CEO session publicly is a no no. Even on the WISPA Members list. Regards, Dawn DiPietro CHUCK PROFITO wrote: Tom. I'm very interested in hearing any 'wows' from the CEO meeting. If you have time to post to the members list I'm sure I wouldn't be alone in my interest. As I said before, I thought that was the best part of ISPCON in Santa Clara. Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-ACCESS, INC [EMAIL PROTECTED] Providing High Speed Broadband to Rural Central California -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 11:15 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] ISPCON Peter, Unfortuneately, I missed all but two sessions. Darn management duties, can't escape them even in FL :-( Its was a shame because their was a great line up of sessions on the dockett, good business and marking type stuff, such as yours. What I liked best was the Luncheon Topic Tables. Not much beats sitting head to head with a group of smart people on a common topic of interest. The big WOW for me was the knowledge learned from other attendees. It was interesting to hear what they found interesting. Its neat to watch the evolution. Guys I may have helped two or three years ago, now with more experience under their belt than then, bringing back new insight from their perspective. Everyone has something of value to offer and something to learn. So my point is, the WOW may not be a Product or a Topic, but People in general. From a product perspective, there were a couple of neat new products. I really liked the Remote Backup Software provider, where the model is, you sell the software to the client, and then the ISP Server software is free, and ISPs can host the Backup Storage on their own network and own servers for better controlled costs. The software paid attention to compression best practices to use the least possible amount of bandwidth, and used the processing power of the end user's PC to do it. My mind is drawing a blank on the Company Name, at the moment. A couple neat VOIP SoftSwitch and Hard Switch products on display. The truth is, I'm not sure I came back with any really big WOWs. I had a whole bunch of little WOWs. :-) But that could be because I missed most of the sessions. The CEO session of course is always great, but don't think appropriate to discuss those topics on an open list, so no comment on specifics. Show was a great success, for me. Peter, Did you get a WOW? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Peter R. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 12:39 AM Subject: [WISPA] ISPCON I was wondering if anyone had a WOW from the show. (Besides the side trip to Daytona, that is :) A copy of my slides can be seen at slideshare.net/4isps/. (We didn't use the slides. We just banged out 60+ nuggets of business wisdom in the time slot. One of my clients sent me the list; you can read it here: http://marketingideaguy.com/news/50-ideas-in-50-minutes-ispcon) Next week, I will have a conference call to recap these and ISPCON. Email me to join in. Start planning for ISPCON in San Jose on October 16-18. Regards, Peter Radizeski RAD-INFO, Inc. - NSP Strategist We Help ISPs Connect Communicate 813.963.5884 http://www.marketingIDEAguy.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.3/824 - Release Date: 5/29/2007 1:01 PM -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Trangolink Giga
anyone seen/used these yet ? Looks kinda like Dragonwave stuff. http://www.trangobroadband.com/products/TrangoLINK_Giga.shtml -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] QuickMounts
JohnnyO wrote: Anyone ever use these ? http://www.towerstructures.com/catalog/rooftop_products/qwikmounts.html JohnnyO Put up a heavy duty non pen. Those things cost a bundle. Don't forget your promise. :-) -- Bob Moldashel Lakeland Communications, Inc. Broadband Deployment Group 1350 Lincoln Avenue Holbrook, New York 11741 USA 800-479-9195 Toll Free US Canada 631-585-5558 Fax 516-551-1131 Cell -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] QuickMounts
What about using one of these... http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=4252323 Fred Sanford could probably find one of these from his neighbor :) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 7:11 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] QuickMounts JohnnyO wrote: Anyone ever use these ? http://www.towerstructures.com/catalog/rooftop_products/qwikmounts.html JohnnyO Put up a heavy duty non pen. Those things cost a bundle. Don't forget your promise. :-) -- Bob Moldashel Lakeland Communications, Inc. Broadband Deployment Group 1350 Lincoln Avenue Holbrook, New York 11741 USA 800-479-9195 Toll Free US Canada 631-585-5558 Fax 516-551-1131 Cell -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] ISPCON
Tom DeReggi wrote: Peter, Did you get a WOW? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband My WOW's were a little different: - my session was full (SRO) so that was a WOW. - The CEO Exchange was kind of a WOW - the WISPA spectrum meeting was a WOW - how many people I knew there was a WOW I had fun - and I had a great dinner and Christini's :) Peter @ RAD-INFO, In.c -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga
Saw them in Vegas, they're completely separate / different radios from Dragonwave As for deployments, it's still pretty new and probably still in beta (they literally just finished the GUI interface the day before InterOp in Vegas) Now, someone just has to step up and be first to try to new Trango =/ -Charles --- WiNOG Wireless Roadshows Coming to a City Near You http://www.winog.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Smith, Rick Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 6:52 AM To: WISPA General List; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga anyone seen/used these yet ? Looks kinda like Dragonwave stuff. http://www.trangobroadband.com/products/TrangoLINK_Giga.shtml -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga
I also saw a new and revamped Atlas PTP replacement Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Wu Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 10:34 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga Saw them in Vegas, they're completely separate / different radios from Dragonwave As for deployments, it's still pretty new and probably still in beta (they literally just finished the GUI interface the day before InterOp in Vegas) Now, someone just has to step up and be first to try to new Trango =/ -Charles --- WiNOG Wireless Roadshows Coming to a City Near You http://www.winog.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Smith, Rick Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 6:52 AM To: WISPA General List; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga anyone seen/used these yet ? Looks kinda like Dragonwave stuff. http://www.trangobroadband.com/products/TrangoLINK_Giga.shtml -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Wavesat Announces Availability of World's First 5.8 GHzWiMAX Mini-PCI Design
FWIW, I was chatting w/ John Seaman from Trango last week and he made an offhand remark that the WiMAX chip-set they were trying to implement / test didn't work very well (latency / throughput / interference issues) Not exactly sure, but I believe they were looking at the Wavesat chipset -Charles --- WiNOG Wireless Roadshows Coming to a City Near You http://www.winog.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sam Tetherow Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 2:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wavesat Announces Availability of World's First 5.8 GHzWiMAX Mini-PCI Design In theory it gives you more distance and better throughput per Hz. But how it will handle the interference is the unknown at this point. Everything is a trade off. Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless Zack Kneisley wrote: I suppose this may be a dumb question, but now that it looks like WiMAX will be within reach? maybe? What does this give the WISP? More power? better throughput? Different modulation? I haven't followed WiMAX closely enough. Zack On 5/30/07, Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.marketwire.com/mw/release_html_b1?release_id=259237 Mini-PCI Design for the Unlicensed 5.8 GHz Band Opens the Way for Fast Deployment of WiMAX Solutions Worldwide DORVAL, QUEBEC -- (MARKET WIRE) -- May 30, 2007 -- Wavesat (www.wavesat.com), a leading designer of WiMAX 802.16d-2004 .16e-2005 solutions announced today the immediate availability of its 5.8 GHz Mini-PCI reference design. Wavesat's 5.8 GHz Mini-PCI design is optimized to allow equipment manufacturers worldwide to rapidly bring WiMAX equipment to market. snip -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga
I'd love to... but it seems they aren't real excited about trying a 30 mile link with 18ghz. ;) Travis Microserv Charles Wu wrote: Saw them in Vegas, they're completely separate / different radios from Dragonwave As for deployments, it's still pretty new and probably still in beta (they literally just finished the GUI interface the day before InterOp in Vegas) Now, someone just has to step up and be first to try to new Trango =/ -Charles --- WiNOG Wireless Roadshows Coming to a City Near You http://www.winog.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Smith, Rick Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 6:52 AM To: WISPA General List; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga anyone seen/used these yet ? Looks kinda like Dragonwave stuff. http://www.trangobroadband.com/products/TrangoLINK_Giga.shtml -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Wavesat Announces Availability of World's First 5.8GHzWiMAX Mini-PCI Design
So whats the plan now for trango ? .. I think they should move to atheros based soc solutions ... Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Wu Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 10:38 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Wavesat Announces Availability of World's First 5.8GHzWiMAX Mini-PCI Design FWIW, I was chatting w/ John Seaman from Trango last week and he made an offhand remark that the WiMAX chip-set they were trying to implement / test didn't work very well (latency / throughput / interference issues) Not exactly sure, but I believe they were looking at the Wavesat chipset -Charles --- WiNOG Wireless Roadshows Coming to a City Near You http://www.winog.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sam Tetherow Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 2:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wavesat Announces Availability of World's First 5.8 GHzWiMAX Mini-PCI Design In theory it gives you more distance and better throughput per Hz. But how it will handle the interference is the unknown at this point. Everything is a trade off. Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless Zack Kneisley wrote: I suppose this may be a dumb question, but now that it looks like WiMAX will be within reach? maybe? What does this give the WISP? More power? better throughput? Different modulation? I haven't followed WiMAX closely enough. Zack On 5/30/07, Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.marketwire.com/mw/release_html_b1?release_id=259237 Mini-PCI Design for the Unlicensed 5.8 GHz Band Opens the Way for Fast Deployment of WiMAX Solutions Worldwide DORVAL, QUEBEC -- (MARKET WIRE) -- May 30, 2007 -- Wavesat (www.wavesat.com), a leading designer of WiMAX 802.16d-2004 .16e-2005 solutions announced today the immediate availability of its 5.8 GHz Mini-PCI reference design. Wavesat's 5.8 GHz Mini-PCI design is optimized to allow equipment manufacturers worldwide to rapidly bring WiMAX equipment to market. snip -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] ISPCON
Gotta go to the show for that stuff Chucky! grin Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: CHUCK PROFITO [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 11:42 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] ISPCON Tom. I'm very interested in hearing any 'wows' from the CEO meeting. If you have time to post to the members list I'm sure I wouldn't be alone in my interest. As I said before, I thought that was the best part of ISPCON in Santa Clara. Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-ACCESS, INC [EMAIL PROTECTED] Providing High Speed Broadband to Rural Central California -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 11:15 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] ISPCON Peter, Unfortuneately, I missed all but two sessions. Darn management duties, can't escape them even in FL :-( Its was a shame because their was a great line up of sessions on the dockett, good business and marking type stuff, such as yours. What I liked best was the Luncheon Topic Tables. Not much beats sitting head to head with a group of smart people on a common topic of interest. The big WOW for me was the knowledge learned from other attendees. It was interesting to hear what they found interesting. Its neat to watch the evolution. Guys I may have helped two or three years ago, now with more experience under their belt than then, bringing back new insight from their perspective. Everyone has something of value to offer and something to learn. So my point is, the WOW may not be a Product or a Topic, but People in general. From a product perspective, there were a couple of neat new products. I really liked the Remote Backup Software provider, where the model is, you sell the software to the client, and then the ISP Server software is free, and ISPs can host the Backup Storage on their own network and own servers for better controlled costs. The software paid attention to compression best practices to use the least possible amount of bandwidth, and used the processing power of the end user's PC to do it. My mind is drawing a blank on the Company Name, at the moment. A couple neat VOIP SoftSwitch and Hard Switch products on display. The truth is, I'm not sure I came back with any really big WOWs. I had a whole bunch of little WOWs. :-) But that could be because I missed most of the sessions. The CEO session of course is always great, but don't think appropriate to discuss those topics on an open list, so no comment on specifics. Show was a great success, for me. Peter, Did you get a WOW? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Peter R. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 12:39 AM Subject: [WISPA] ISPCON I was wondering if anyone had a WOW from the show. (Besides the side trip to Daytona, that is :) A copy of my slides can be seen at slideshare.net/4isps/. (We didn't use the slides. We just banged out 60+ nuggets of business wisdom in the time slot. One of my clients sent me the list; you can read it here: http://marketingideaguy.com/news/50-ideas-in-50-minutes-ispcon) Next week, I will have a conference call to recap these and ISPCON. Email me to join in. Start planning for ISPCON in San Jose on October 16-18. Regards, Peter Radizeski RAD-INFO, Inc. - NSP Strategist We Help ISPs Connect Communicate 813.963.5884 http://www.marketingIDEAguy.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.3/824 - Release Date: 5/29/2007 1:01 PM -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] ISPCON
I forgot to mention the obvious, The WISPA meeting. I felt it went very well, and the room was pact. My hats go off to Jon Scrivner and and Sponsors Frank Muto and BearHill for putting togeather such a successful event. More so, thanks to the members taking the time to be a part of it. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Peter R. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 9:43 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] ISPCON Tom DeReggi wrote: Peter, Did you get a WOW? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband My WOW's were a little different: - my session was full (SRO) so that was a WOW. - The CEO Exchange was kind of a WOW - the WISPA spectrum meeting was a WOW - how many people I knew there was a WOW I had fun - and I had a great dinner and Christini's :) Peter @ RAD-INFO, In.c -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.4/825 - Release Date: 5/30/2007 3:03 PM -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] ISPCON
Oops, I have that CRS ya know. See you in October Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-ACCESS, INC [EMAIL PROTECTED] Providing High Speed Broadband to Rural Central California -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 8:48 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] ISPCON Gotta go to the show for that stuff Chucky! grin Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: CHUCK PROFITO [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 11:42 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] ISPCON Tom. I'm very interested in hearing any 'wows' from the CEO meeting. If you have time to post to the members list I'm sure I wouldn't be alone in my interest. As I said before, I thought that was the best part of ISPCON in Santa Clara. Chuck Profito 209-988-7388 CV-ACCESS, INC [EMAIL PROTECTED] Providing High Speed Broadband to Rural Central California -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 11:15 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] ISPCON Peter, Unfortuneately, I missed all but two sessions. Darn management duties, can't escape them even in FL :-( Its was a shame because their was a great line up of sessions on the dockett, good business and marking type stuff, such as yours. What I liked best was the Luncheon Topic Tables. Not much beats sitting head to head with a group of smart people on a common topic of interest. The big WOW for me was the knowledge learned from other attendees. It was interesting to hear what they found interesting. Its neat to watch the evolution. Guys I may have helped two or three years ago, now with more experience under their belt than then, bringing back new insight from their perspective. Everyone has something of value to offer and something to learn. So my point is, the WOW may not be a Product or a Topic, but People in general. From a product perspective, there were a couple of neat new products. I really liked the Remote Backup Software provider, where the model is, you sell the software to the client, and then the ISP Server software is free, and ISPs can host the Backup Storage on their own network and own servers for better controlled costs. The software paid attention to compression best practices to use the least possible amount of bandwidth, and used the processing power of the end user's PC to do it. My mind is drawing a blank on the Company Name, at the moment. A couple neat VOIP SoftSwitch and Hard Switch products on display. The truth is, I'm not sure I came back with any really big WOWs. I had a whole bunch of little WOWs. :-) But that could be because I missed most of the sessions. The CEO session of course is always great, but don't think appropriate to discuss those topics on an open list, so no comment on specifics. Show was a great success, for me. Peter, Did you get a WOW? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Peter R. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 12:39 AM Subject: [WISPA] ISPCON I was wondering if anyone had a WOW from the show. (Besides the side trip to Daytona, that is :) A copy of my slides can be seen at slideshare.net/4isps/. (We didn't use the slides. We just banged out 60+ nuggets of business wisdom in the time slot. One of my clients sent me the list; you can read it here: http://marketingideaguy.com/news/50-ideas-in-50-minutes-ispcon) Next week, I will have a conference call to recap these and ISPCON. Email me to join in. Start planning for ISPCON in San Jose on October 16-18. Regards, Peter Radizeski RAD-INFO, Inc. - NSP Strategist We Help ISPs Connect Communicate 813.963.5884 http://www.marketingIDEAguy.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.3/824 - Release Date: 5/29/2007 1:01 PM -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
Re: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga
As for Trango Giga... Looks like a very exciting product, and hopefully they'll have an exciting price to go with it. As for testing, I'm planning on it. There is no shortage of willing beta testers. The hard part is paying for it :-) I think Trango's product is really going to put the preasure on hard to competitors like DragonWave. I'd like to bring up the point that Dragon Waves' ALL OUTDOOR Horizon product gives it a big advantage for WISPs with limited indoor colocation options. Expecially in Urban areas where Management companies try and charge for every closet (Rack) Space they can charge for. With only needing indoor POE, it makes it much easier to just replace existing 5.8G gear with little effort, and NO renegotiation with Property owners. Of course there is also benefits of combo indoor/outdoor unit models. As for Wimax 5.8Ghz Sector models I think that is a thing of the past at this stage of the industry, atleast in Urban areas. Customers are expecting higher expectations from their provider, that PtMP may not be able to deliver long term. The future is about PtP last mile, and small channel sizes to enable a larger number of links. What they need to do is get the Atlas PtP down under $1000, with small channel size support. PTP is the only way to survive the noise floor, in most of Urban America today. PtMP was a transition technology, that WiMax was 5 years to late to the party. Due to new PTP trends, Many buildings may be left unserved, but in favor or being able to better serve the ones that have committed already to the technology first. I have a lot of respect for the Atlas PTP line, and it was well priced for Backhaul purposes, however 5.8Ghz backhaul is also starting to become a thing of the past, as new breed Licensed technology replaces it. With Mikrotik/StarOS and Certified varients such as Deliberant or Tranzeo, there is no longer the need to pay top dollar for Last Mile PtP nor the reason to justify PTP for just Backhaul anymore. PTP is becomming a low cost last mile solution today. As for WImax/PtP, is there really anything someone can offer more than what Alvarion already offers in their Commnet program? I'd argue, not much. Why build a new product to compete agaisnt these tried and true technologies? Again, I'm not saying a new PtMP WimAx product won't be embraced, I'm jsut saying the market is changing, and what we need today is rock bottom low cost High quality Last Mile PTPs, and reasonable cost Solid as a rock super high performance Backhaul. Trango Gets it, which is why they are jumping right to the future, and concentrating on making a best of breed Licensed Backhaul Product. Now whether the Atlas PtP price drops, that is uncertain. I'd like to see it happen. Just my 2 cents and predictions. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Charles Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 10:33 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga Saw them in Vegas, they're completely separate / different radios from Dragonwave As for deployments, it's still pretty new and probably still in beta (they literally just finished the GUI interface the day before InterOp in Vegas) Now, someone just has to step up and be first to try to new Trango =/ -Charles --- WiNOG Wireless Roadshows Coming to a City Near You http://www.winog.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Smith, Rick Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 6:52 AM To: WISPA General List; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga anyone seen/used these yet ? Looks kinda like Dragonwave stuff. http://www.trangobroadband.com/products/TrangoLINK_Giga.shtml -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.4/825 - Release Date: 5/30/2007 3:03 PM -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga
Charles Wu wrote: Saw them in Vegas, they're completely separate / different radios from Dragonwave As for deployments, it's still pretty new and probably still in beta (they literally just finished the GUI interface the day before InterOp in Vegas) Now, someone just has to step up and be first to try to new Trango =/ -Charles I'm fairly certain I don't want to be the first to try anything. But I will be needing to install a new backhaul that doesn't operate in any of the 5 gig unlicensed frequencies, or six gig. It needs to be duplex go 2.5 miles and through fog in a rainy environment. Any suggestions with pricing? It's something I have to do within the next 3 months. George -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga
Check manufacturers in the E-Band (70 - 80 GHz). That should do what you need, and be damn quick at it. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 1:05 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trangolink Giga Charles Wu wrote: Saw them in Vegas, they're completely separate / different radios from Dragonwave As for deployments, it's still pretty new and probably still in beta (they literally just finished the GUI interface the day before InterOp in Vegas) Now, someone just has to step up and be first to try to new Trango =/ -Charles I'm fairly certain I don't want to be the first to try anything. But I will be needing to install a new backhaul that doesn't operate in any of the 5 gig unlicensed frequencies, or six gig. It needs to be duplex go 2.5 miles and through fog in a rainy environment. Any suggestions with pricing? It's something I have to do within the next 3 months. George -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik Visio Icons
Netzoom doesn't have them, http://www.altimatech.com/home/home.asp?alpha=M they would make them if you used (or know someone) their software. Z On 5/30/07, Justin Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone seen any VISIO icons for Mikrotik? I am working on some network diagrams for various people and would like to have some mikrotik icons if possible. Thanks, Justin -- List your WISP on www.findawisp.com. --- Justin S. Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] MTIN.NET WISP Consulting - Tower Services WEB: http://www.mtin.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Copper landlines gone by 2013
Hmm, I'll take that bet. People that make these types of claims obviously haven't been in areas where you can go for more than 40 miles with no cell service, on a major highway, not to mention getting off the beaten path to individuals homes. Some times it really is more economical to string copper than put up towers. Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless George Rogato wrote: Worldnet founder: Copper landlines gone by 2013 “By 2012 [there will be] no more reason to use our landlines--so we won’t,” Evslin wrote. “I don’t think the copper plant will last past 2012. The problem is the cost of maintaining and operating it when it has very few subscribers. Obviously [it’s] a huge problem for ATT and Verizon. And an important social issue as well.” http://telephonyonline.com/home/news/copper_landlines_gone_052507/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Nice CPE
I was just on there site and could not find any data about FCC nor could I find this on the FCC search, can anyone provide a URL for this?? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 11:57 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nice CPE I saw Deliberent's 533Mhz product at ISPCON. Its a pretty sweet OEM product. Finally an outdoor enclosure with large enough space inside to work with, but not to large. Pretty reasonably priced for a certified product. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Ralph [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 11:10 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Nice CPE So then all you have is a 60 mW AP that is not legal to use. If we wanted to do that, we could buy Linksys WRT54G for $24.99 and get the same features plus more power. Its too bad that Meraki is missing our market, but remember that their original intent is to circumvent us (and wired ISPs too) by facilitating a mesh that they control made up of people sharing connections that they get from us! We should probably be supporting people like Tranzeo and Deliberant, as they try to give us a reasonably priced mesh. Ralph -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dylan Oliver Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 10:49 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nice CPE No, I haven't done this myself. But google e.g. dd-wrt meraki. Of course, mesh features being part of the firmware and not the radio itself, you will lose those in flashing to dd-wrt or whatever. Best, -- Dylan Oliver Primaverity, LLC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.3/824 - Release Date: 5/29/2007 1:01 PM -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Copper landlines gone by 2013
Sam, It's the rural areas that are affected when it comes to the copper network. As I understand it, the original purpose of the USF was to help pay for the rural areas, otherwise there would be no copper there to begin with. If the urban areas are losing landlines by the droves there is no surplus to help pay for the rural areas either. There are too many miles of copper and not enough customers to pay for it in these areas. Why do you think Verizon is selling off huge parts of their telephone network in Northern New England? It is not that these people have not personally been there it is the fact that rural areas are losing money no matter how you look at it. I know it still costs a fortune to get bandwidth in these areas but that is not going to make up for how much money is being lost to maintain the copper. If any of my facts are wrong I am sure someone will correct me. ;-) Regards, Dawn DiPietro Sam Tetherow wrote: Hmm, I'll take that bet. People that make these types of claims obviously haven't been in areas where you can go for more than 40 miles with no cell service, on a major highway, not to mention getting off the beaten path to individuals homes. Some times it really is more economical to string copper than put up towers. Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless George Rogato wrote: Worldnet founder: Copper landlines gone by 2013 “By 2012 [there will be] no more reason to use our landlines--so we won’t,” Evslin wrote. “I don’t think the copper plant will last past 2012. The problem is the cost of maintaining and operating it when it has very few subscribers. Obviously [it’s] a huge problem for ATT and Verizon. And an important social issue as well.” http://telephonyonline.com/home/news/copper_landlines_gone_052507/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Copper landlines gone by 2013
I don't deny any of that, but I'd be pretty pissed as a telco customer if they are allowed to pull out of those areas. A very large amount of money has been funneled through the USF program so that voice lines are available in the hinterlands. How many millions of USF dollars has Verizon pulled out of their Northern New England customers? I would be very willing to bet that it is significantly more than they have spent on maintaining the copper to those customers. Yes the rural areas a losing money which is why the USF existed in the first place, someone decided that all telco customers should fund voice to every home regardless of its economic viability. Right or wrong, that was the deal they signed on for, they have taken the money for this long but now when they are having to make sizable reinvestment they are trying to weasel their way out of it. However, the real point of my reply on the email was that some customers are still more economically served via copper rather than wireless. Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless Dawn DiPietro wrote: Sam, It's the rural areas that are affected when it comes to the copper network. As I understand it, the original purpose of the USF was to help pay for the rural areas, otherwise there would be no copper there to begin with. If the urban areas are losing landlines by the droves there is no surplus to help pay for the rural areas either. There are too many miles of copper and not enough customers to pay for it in these areas. Why do you think Verizon is selling off huge parts of their telephone network in Northern New England? It is not that these people have not personally been there it is the fact that rural areas are losing money no matter how you look at it. I know it still costs a fortune to get bandwidth in these areas but that is not going to make up for how much money is being lost to maintain the copper. If any of my facts are wrong I am sure someone will correct me. ;-) Regards, Dawn DiPietro Sam Tetherow wrote: Hmm, I'll take that bet. People that make these types of claims obviously haven't been in areas where you can go for more than 40 miles with no cell service, on a major highway, not to mention getting off the beaten path to individuals homes. Some times it really is more economical to string copper than put up towers. Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless George Rogato wrote: Worldnet founder: Copper landlines gone by 2013 “By 2012 [there will be] no more reason to use our landlines--so we won’t,” Evslin wrote. “I don’t think the copper plant will last past 2012. The problem is the cost of maintaining and operating it when it has very few subscribers. Obviously [it’s] a huge problem for ATT and Verizon. And an important social issue as well.” http://telephonyonline.com/home/news/copper_landlines_gone_052507/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Copper landlines gone by 2013
Sam, I thought it was an outrageous statement to be made myself. Figured it might be good for list discussion. George Sam Tetherow wrote: Hmm, I'll take that bet. People that make these types of claims obviously haven't been in areas where you can go for more than 40 miles with no cell service, on a major highway, not to mention getting off the beaten path to individuals homes. Some times it really is more economical to string copper than put up towers. Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless George Rogato wrote: Worldnet founder: Copper landlines gone by 2013 “By 2012 [there will be] no more reason to use our landlines--so we won’t,” Evslin wrote. “I don’t think the copper plant will last past 2012. The problem is the cost of maintaining and operating it when it has very few subscribers. Obviously [it’s] a huge problem for ATT and Verizon. And an important social issue as well.” http://telephonyonline.com/home/news/copper_landlines_gone_052507/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Copper landlines gone by 2013
Quite honestly, if that article is a sampling of Evslin's grasp of networking, he is damned lucky he was a co-founder of ATT and ITXC because his thought process is so short sighted it is scary. For those that haven't read the short article he is saying that since landline phones have dropped from 96% to 94% between 98 and 03 then surely the other 94% will be going in the next 5 years. And what pray tell does he suggest will replace this copper? Why it will be WiFi-enabled mobile phones like the ones T-Mobile is rolling out. So you will be using VOIP enabled WiFi handsets connected to wireless hotspots in our homes. Seems to me he has missed one key ingredient... Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless George Rogato wrote: Sam, I thought it was an outrageous statement to be made myself. Figured it might be good for list discussion. George Sam Tetherow wrote: Hmm, I'll take that bet. People that make these types of claims obviously haven't been in areas where you can go for more than 40 miles with no cell service, on a major highway, not to mention getting off the beaten path to individuals homes. Some times it really is more economical to string copper than put up towers. Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless George Rogato wrote: Worldnet founder: Copper landlines gone by 2013 “By 2012 [there will be] no more reason to use our landlines--so we won’t,” Evslin wrote. “I don’t think the copper plant will last past 2012. The problem is the cost of maintaining and operating it when it has very few subscribers. Obviously [it’s] a huge problem for ATT and Verizon. And an important social issue as well.” http://telephonyonline.com/home/news/copper_landlines_gone_052507/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Copper landlines gone by 2013
Sam Tetherow wrote: Sam Tetherow wrote: Hmm, I'll take that bet. People that make these types of claims obviously haven't been in areas where you can go for more than 40 miles with no cell service, on a major highway, not to mention getting off the beaten path to individuals homes. Some times it really is more economical to string copper than put up towers. Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless Naw. It is almost never cheaper to string copper than to put up towers. It is just that existing copper is cheaper than any alternative. In the panhandle of Oklahoma my grandfather ran five miles of copper on poles ten feet off the ground to get to his home. That copper was in place till 1960 when the ILEC's decided they could make a profit by replacing it. That economy is still in play. -m- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
