Re: [WISPA] DIY Server Questions
Build two and have them mirrored. ;-)
--Mike
- Original Message -
From: Mike Bushard, Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 10:53 PM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] DIY Server Questions
We buy SuperMicro systems. They just seem to work. www.8anet.com
www.serversdirect.com www.aberdeeninc.com
We are looking at moving to a Sun or IBM Blade solution also. The biggest
advantage we see is the support, both companies have a full line of parts
in
stock about 2hrs away. When uptime is your business, it can make sense to
pay for things like 24x7x365 4hr or less response time. If we were closer
to
the parts depot I would even go to 2hr response. This is just something
you
do not get when you buy parts from newegg.com. I cannot say enough for a
redundant system either, hot standbys with automatic failover is critical.
Like I said, uptime is your business, right?
Mike Bushard, Jr
Wisper Wireless Solutions, LLC
320-256-WISP (9477)
320-256-9478 Fax
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Behalf Of Ryan Langseth
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 9:51 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] DIY Server Questions
I agree get a server motherboard, both tyan and supermicro make good
server level boards (I prefer supermicro) they come with options for
ipmi management and other excellent features.
Ryan
On Aug 29, 2007, at 9:07 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
A Tyan or SuperMicro would make a better motherboard.
--Mike
- Original Message - From: Dave Brenton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 4:35 PM
Subject: [WISPA] DIY Server Questions
Hi Gang!
I'm finally, at long last building my Network Operations Center
and would love to hear recommendations from the brave
souls out there that build their own hardware.
I'm looking for recommendations for motherboards,
rack-mount case vendors, Rack vendors, etc.
I must admit I have a bias against Intel-based systems,
but would defer to experience supporting an Intel platform.
I will in every instance be running on flavor or another of Linux
for all my OS needs, should that have a bearing on the response.
My previous experience favors ASUS motherboards, and
good name-brand memory devices. I have lost faith in most
of the Disc Drive makers, however Shugart's 5 year warranty
is tempting me in their direction.
Any thoughts, comments, etc are welcomed.
If appropriate, you may contact me of list.
Dave Brenton
General Manager
Rural Tennessee Wireless Broadband, LLC
3430 Highway 49
Dover TN 37058
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
931.232.0914 (office)
931.827.4181 (home)
931.627.1142 (cell - when not in cell-hell)
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Re: [WISPA] West Chicago
I thought I would ping the list again on this. DSL not available, couldn't find anyone thus far to do wireless, Comcast has a 2 month lead time and will require two accounts to take the construction cost from $6k to $0. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 3:32 PM Subject: [WISPA] West Chicago Can anyone serve this location? 27W174 North Ave. West Chicago, IL 60185 (630) 231 - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com Would you like to see your advertisement here? Let the WISPA Board know your feelings about allowing advertisements on the free WISPA lists. The current Board is taking this under consideration at this time. We want to know your thoughts. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] DIY Server Questions
Agree. Tyan and SuperMicro are almost bullet-proof!
But, read the docs before you set them up!
Mike Hammett wrote:
A Tyan or SuperMicro would make a better motherboard.
--Mike
- Original Message - From: Dave Brenton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 4:35 PM
Subject: [WISPA] DIY Server Questions
Hi Gang!
I'm finally, at long last building my Network Operations Center
and would love to hear recommendations from the brave
souls out there that build their own hardware.
I'm looking for recommendations for motherboards,
rack-mount case vendors, Rack vendors, etc.
I must admit I have a bias against Intel-based systems,
but would defer to experience supporting an Intel platform.
I will in every instance be running on flavor or another of Linux
for all my OS needs, should that have a bearing on the response.
My previous experience favors ASUS motherboards, and
good name-brand memory devices. I have lost faith in most
of the Disc Drive makers, however Shugart's 5 year warranty
is tempting me in their direction.
Any thoughts, comments, etc are welcomed.
If appropriate, you may contact me of list.
Dave Brenton
General Manager
Rural Tennessee Wireless Broadband, LLC
3430 Highway 49
Dover TN 37058
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
931.232.0914 (office)
931.827.4181 (home)
931.627.1142 (cell - when not in cell-hell)
Livin' on Central Stupid Time ('til October)
** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007
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[WISPA] Fw: Wireless Internet story on CertMag.com
Hi All, Other than the fact that I was driving and talking, sounding like a 10 year old, this article turned out great! Lisa didn't twist anything around. laters, Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Lisa Rummler To: Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 2:02 PM Subject: Wireless Internet story on CertMag.com Good afternoon, Marlon, How are you? I apologize for not sending you the link to the story earlier - I got my months mixed up and thought it would be posted in September. Thank you again for your help with the story. It was a pleasure to talk to you, and I hope you enjoy the article. http://www.certmag.com/articles/templates/CM_COMM_Wire_article.asp?articleid=2986zoneid=218 Best, Lisa Rummler Lisa Rummler Copy Editor MediaTec Publishing Certification Magazine Chief Learning Officer Talent Management 312-828-2800, ext. 28 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] POE Surge Protectors
I'm looking for a good inexpensive POE surge protector. The AC/DC Adaptor has an I/P: AC 100-240V 50/60Hz 1.2A. O/P is 24V 1.5A. ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] POE Surge Protectors
The Pacific Wireless ones have worked well for me: http://www.pacwireless.com/products/POE.shtml Graham On 8/30/07, Carl Shivers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm looking for a good inexpensive POE surge protector. The AC/DC Adaptor has an I/P: AC 100-240V 50/60Hz 1.2A. O/P is 24V 1.5A. ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Canopy AP
Im looking for a couple of new, in the box, Canopy Advantage 5.2 Aps. I you have some to sell, hit me off list. Thanks Chris ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Glossary, updated from 6 years ago post
LOL I've just been redeploying those in ptp mode for customers down in the holes. Use them for mini repeater systems. Too bad none of the new gear seems to be half the quality of those units. Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 8:56 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Glossary, updated from 6 years ago post Last week I replaced a 2meg map that has been in service since back in 2000. It, I believe is the last of my 2 meg radios. Gino Villarini wrote: Don't tell me you have a Closet full of Manta Ray APs and the Orange USB adapters please don't ... jeje Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jory Privett Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 11:17 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Glossary, updated from 6 years ago post I still have a closet full of RayLink gear I would like to get rid of. Jory Privett WCCS - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 9:50 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Glossary, updated from 6 years ago post Wow, 6 years ago I was toying with Symbol Spectrum24 FHSS cards and APs, Proxim Rangelan2 and RAylink gear Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 9:28 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Glossary, updated from 6 years ago post Wow, 6.5 years ago... I don't think I was even looking at becoming a WISP then. ;-) --Mike - Original Message - From: Patrick Leary [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 3:21 PM Subject: [WISPA] Glossary, updated from 6 years ago post So I was looking through some old material when I came across this glossary of wireless business related acronyms that WISPs should be familiar with in this space. For the new person, it can be daunting to keep track. I sent to this list 6 1/2 years ago. I though it merited a re-send, with some additions. Deeper concepts are further below. Hope it is helpful and if I missed any key ones, please add. Patrick Leary AVP, Market Development Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Patrick Leary [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2001 8:29 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Glossary Common abbreviations and/or acronyms... 477: (Form 477) FCC's mandatory broadband reporting form for commercial operators AAA server: authentication authorization accounting server APD: automatic protocol detection AES OCB: usually just called AES, advanced encryption standard offset code book AIFS: arbitration inter-frame spacing AP: access point ARK: automatic retransmission queing ARS: automatic rate switching ASN-GW: access service network gateway ATPC: automatic transmit power control AU: access unit (same as above) BE: best effort BER: bit error rate BRS: Broadband Radio Service (commercial side of the 2.5 GHz allocation in the US) BSS: basic service set BST: base station (referred more often this way in licensed networks) BWA: broadband wireless access BWIA: broadband wireless Internet access (Steve Stroh's preferred acronym) CBR: constant bit rate CC: convolutional coding CDL: cell distance learning (refers to an automatic process within RF devices) CDMA: code division multiple access CG (or UGS): constant grant or unsolicited grant service CIR: committed information rate CoS: class of service CPE: customer premises equipment C/I: carrier to interference ratio CSMA/CA: carrier sense multiple access/collision avoidance EBS: Educational Broadband Spectrum (2.5 GHz allocated to non-profits, may be sublet), formerly ITFS (Instructional Fixed Television Service) DFS: dynamic frequency selection DFS2 or DFS+: second generation DFS (mandated for all new 5.3 and all 5.4 GHz) DIFS: distributed coordination function inter-frame spacing) DS (or DSSS): direct sequence spread spectrum EIRP: effective isotropic radiated power (expressed in dB) EMI: electromagnetic interference ESSID: extended service set ID FCC: Federal Communications Commission FDD: frequency division duplex FEQ: forward error correction FFT: fast fourier transform mathematical algorithm FH (or FHSS): frequency hopping spread spectrum FIPS: federal information processing standards GFSK: Gausian
Re: [WISPA] Glossary, updated from 6 years ago post
ppttthhhttt Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 9:54 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Glossary, updated from 6 years ago post Yeah, whether that's a good thing (Marlon being around) or not has yet to be determined. :-p --Mike ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Mikrotik as an Orinoco AP-1000 Replacment
On Tue, 28 Aug 2007, Ralph wrote: The Orinoco AP series was a really rock solid radio. I still have many that are trucking along! SNIP And you REALLY should be looking at using legal equipment- especially if you are in this as a business! I suppose you are using a complete certified system with the Orinoco AP? (radio, pigtail, enclosure, cables, antenna) Just for all our comfort, can you provide the FCC IDs on the gear you are using? -- Butch Evans Network Engineering and Security Consulting 573-276-2879 http://www.butchevans.com/ My calendar: http://tinyurl.com/y24ad6 Training Partners: http://tinyurl.com/smfkf Mikrotik Certified Consultant http://www.mikrotik.com/consultants.html ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Mikrotik as an Orinoco AP-1000 Replacment
Yep, and addition to being fully FCC Part 15 certified, I plugged it in with a UL approved Power cord too :-P I don't need to justify legality to allow someone to rationalize illegality. Sorry As well known as you are to Mikrotik Butch (even I was about to hire you for some MT Router work), why don't you encourage MT to make some certified designs? WISPA's wish for a do it yourself palette of devices to cobble together and be certified is a pipe dream. The FCC doesn't work like that. If they did, then Kenwood, Icom, Motorola, and the others would already have do-it-yourself commercial radio kits. And you'd be able to go to Radio Shack and buy a kit to build a microwave oven project. How can we WISPS as an industry just blatantly defy the rules. Because they are silly doesn't void them, nor does it give us the authorization to ignore them. Does someone need to get fined and made an example of? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 5:56 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Mikrotik as an Orinoco AP-1000 Replacment snip I suppose you are using a complete certified system with the Orinoco AP? (radio, pigtail, enclosure, cables, antenna) Just for all our comfort, can you provide the FCC IDs on the gear you are using? snip -- ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik as an Orinoco AP-1000 Replacment
Ralph - I do believe Butch has a valid point here. If you are using an Orinoco AP with your own DIY setup (sounds like you are) - I hardly think you're legal. So why does the pot call the kettle black in this or any other instance ? JohnnyO - Original Message - From: Ralph [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 7:03 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Mikrotik as an Orinoco AP-1000 Replacment Yep, and addition to being fully FCC Part 15 certified, I plugged it in with a UL approved Power cord too :-P I don't need to justify legality to allow someone to rationalize illegality. Sorry As well known as you are to Mikrotik Butch (even I was about to hire you for some MT Router work), why don't you encourage MT to make some certified designs? WISPA's wish for a do it yourself palette of devices to cobble together and be certified is a pipe dream. The FCC doesn't work like that. If they did, then Kenwood, Icom, Motorola, and the others would already have do-it-yourself commercial radio kits. And you'd be able to go to Radio Shack and buy a kit to build a microwave oven project. How can we WISPS as an industry just blatantly defy the rules. Because they are silly doesn't void them, nor does it give us the authorization to ignore them. Does someone need to get fined and made an example of? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 5:56 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Mikrotik as an Orinoco AP-1000 Replacment snip I suppose you are using a complete certified system with the Orinoco AP? (radio, pigtail, enclosure, cables, antenna) Just for all our comfort, can you provide the FCC IDs on the gear you are using? snip -- ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik as an Orinoco AP-1000 Replacment
I would check pigtails and jumpers or possibly a radio card replacement just to be sure. I have had good luck with MT as APs using both atheros based cards as well as prism based cards. All clients radios were prism based (CB3, Tranzeo). The RB200 boards have seemed a little more solid, but they don't have the ompf of a 532 are they are close to twice the price last I checked. If I was going to suggest a StarOS implementation I would suggest the WARs especially if the rumors of an open certification kit are true. David E. Smith wrote: Luke Pack wrote: We were looking into a solution here... we had an Orinoco AP-1000 and that got blown, so we replaced it with a Mikrotik with an SR2 card. The Mikrotik cannot come near to the quality of the Orinoco. This has actually happened before on another tower with all known good equipment. I have people not on the tower, and those who are, have much worse signals. The Mikrotik is set to auto, with regulatory domain as United States. Tx power is at default. Anyone know what the problem could be? This may be an unpopular opinion in some parts, but I've never had the best of luck with Mikrotik's software as an access point - too much generally odd behaviour like what you're describing. I love their software for weird routing and firewalling tasks, and have a lot of their hardware deployed (much of running non-Mikrotik software), but it seems to make for a lousy AP. As has previously been mentioned, if you can still find a RouterBoard 200, they have PCMCIA slots. (You may also want to look into other software for it. The RB200 is a standard x86 board; you can install, say, StarOS on a flash card and probably get the results you need.) If you want to get really really fancy, get a Soekris 5501 and case, and a PCI-to-PCMCIA adapter. That way the card slides right into the top of the case so it even LOOKS like an AP-1000. :) Consider also experimenting a bit with the radio card you use. The CM-9 doesn't have as much raw naked power as the SR2, but it has slightly better receive sensitivity. More important, it just feels more reliable. David Smith MVN.net ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ a href=http://mail.shwisp.net/spam/dspam.cgi?template=historyuser=tetherowretrain=spamsignatureID=16,46d442b116357985714595;!DSPAM:16,46d442b116357985714595!/a ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Glossary, updated from 6 years ago post
You don't have any dumpsters where you live? :) Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless Jory Privett wrote: I still have a closet full of RayLink gear I would like to get rid of. Jory Privett WCCS - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 9:50 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Glossary, updated from 6 years ago post Wow, 6 years ago I was toying with Symbol Spectrum24 FHSS cards and APs, Proxim Rangelan2 and RAylink gear Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 9:28 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Glossary, updated from 6 years ago post Wow, 6.5 years ago... I don't think I was even looking at becoming a WISP then. ;-) --Mike - Original Message - From: Patrick Leary [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 3:21 PM Subject: [WISPA] Glossary, updated from 6 years ago post So I was looking through some old material when I came across this glossary of wireless business related acronyms that WISPs should be familiar with in this space. For the new person, it can be daunting to keep track. I sent to this list 6 1/2 years ago. I though it merited a re-send, with some additions. Deeper concepts are further below. Hope it is helpful and if I missed any key ones, please add. Patrick Leary AVP, Market Development Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Patrick Leary [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2001 8:29 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Glossary Common abbreviations and/or acronyms... 477: (Form 477) FCC's mandatory broadband reporting form for commercial operators AAA server: authentication authorization accounting server APD: automatic protocol detection AES OCB: usually just called AES, advanced encryption standard offset code book AIFS: arbitration inter-frame spacing AP: access point ARK: automatic retransmission queing ARS: automatic rate switching ASN-GW: access service network gateway ATPC: automatic transmit power control AU: access unit (same as above) BE: best effort BER: bit error rate BRS: Broadband Radio Service (commercial side of the 2.5 GHz allocation in the US) BSS: basic service set BST: base station (referred more often this way in licensed networks) BWA: broadband wireless access BWIA: broadband wireless Internet access (Steve Stroh's preferred acronym) CBR: constant bit rate CC: convolutional coding CDL: cell distance learning (refers to an automatic process within RF devices) CDMA: code division multiple access CG (or UGS): constant grant or unsolicited grant service CIR: committed information rate CoS: class of service CPE: customer premises equipment C/I: carrier to interference ratio CSMA/CA: carrier sense multiple access/collision avoidance EBS: Educational Broadband Spectrum (2.5 GHz allocated to non-profits, may be sublet), formerly ITFS (Instructional Fixed Television Service) DFS: dynamic frequency selection DFS2 or DFS+: second generation DFS (mandated for all new 5.3 and all 5.4 GHz) DIFS: distributed coordination function inter-frame spacing) DS (or DSSS): direct sequence spread spectrum EIRP: effective isotropic radiated power (expressed in dB) EMI: electromagnetic interference ESSID: extended service set ID FCC: Federal Communications Commission FDD: frequency division duplex FEQ: forward error correction FFT: fast fourier transform mathematical algorithm FH (or FHSS): frequency hopping spread spectrum FIPS: federal information processing standards GFSK: Gausian frequency shift keying HIPPA: Healthcare Insurance Portability and Accountability Act IC: Industry Canada (Canadian peer to FCC) IDU: indoor unit IF: intermediate frequency ISM: Industrial, Scientific, and Medical LOS: Line of sight LQI: link quality indicator MAC: media access control MAN: metropolitan area network MIB: management information bit(s) MIR: maximum information rate NLOS: Near/non LOS NMS: network management system NPU: network processing unit OAM: operation, administration maintenance ODU: outdoor unit OET: Office of Engineering and Technology (FCC division responsible for equipment authorization and rules enforcement) OFDM: orthogonal frequency division multiplexing OFDMA: orthogonal frequency division multiple access OBE or OOBE: out-of-band emissions PAN: personal area network Part 15: refers to FCC regulations in Part 15.247 of the Federal Code governing certain UL bands PIU: power interface unit PoE: power over Ethernet PtMP or PmP: point-to-multipoint PtP: Point-to-point QAM: quadrature amplitude modulation QinQ: VLAN type that allows customer to have own VLAN inside the operator's VLAN QoS: quality of service
Re: [WISPA] Glossary, updated from 6 years ago post
Hey... I just found a drawer-full of old WaveLan 900mhz ISA cards in our office... I think we paid $400 each back in 1997. Imagine getting 1Mbps (best case) and only using the ENTIRE 900mhz band. ;) Travis Microserv Sam Tetherow wrote: You don't have any dumpsters where you live? :) Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless Jory Privett wrote: I still have a closet full of RayLink gear I would like to get rid of. Jory Privett WCCS - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 9:50 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Glossary, updated from 6 years ago post Wow, 6 years ago I was toying with Symbol Spectrum24 FHSS cards and APs, Proxim Rangelan2 and RAylink gear Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 9:28 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Glossary, updated from 6 years ago post Wow, 6.5 years ago... I don't think I was even looking at becoming a WISP then. ;-) --Mike - Original Message - From: Patrick Leary [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, August 27, 2007 3:21 PM Subject: [WISPA] Glossary, updated from 6 years ago post So I was looking through some old material when I came across this glossary of wireless business related acronyms that WISPs should be familiar with in this space. For the new person, it can be daunting to keep track. I sent to this list 6 1/2 years ago. I though it merited a re-send, with some additions. Deeper concepts are further below. Hope it is helpful and if I missed any key ones, please add. Patrick Leary AVP, Market Development Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Patrick Leary [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2001 8:29 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Glossary Common abbreviations and/or acronyms... 477: (Form 477) FCC's mandatory broadband reporting form for commercial operators AAA server: authentication authorization accounting server APD: automatic protocol detection AES OCB: usually just called AES, advanced encryption standard offset code book AIFS: arbitration inter-frame spacing AP: access point ARK: automatic retransmission queing ARS: automatic rate switching ASN-GW: access service network gateway ATPC: automatic transmit power control AU: access unit (same as above) BE: best effort BER: bit error rate BRS: Broadband Radio Service (commercial side of the 2.5 GHz allocation in the US) BSS: basic service set BST: base station (referred more often this way in licensed networks) BWA: broadband wireless access BWIA: broadband wireless Internet access (Steve Stroh's preferred acronym) CBR: constant bit rate CC: convolutional coding CDL: cell distance learning (refers to an automatic process within RF devices) CDMA: code division multiple access CG (or UGS): constant grant or unsolicited grant service CIR: committed information rate CoS: class of service CPE: customer premises equipment C/I: carrier to interference ratio CSMA/CA: carrier sense multiple access/collision avoidance EBS: Educational Broadband Spectrum (2.5 GHz allocated to non-profits, may be sublet), formerly ITFS (Instructional Fixed Television Service) DFS: dynamic frequency selection DFS2 or DFS+: second generation DFS (mandated for all new 5.3 and all 5.4 GHz) DIFS: distributed coordination function inter-frame spacing) DS (or DSSS): direct sequence spread spectrum EIRP: effective isotropic radiated power (expressed in dB) EMI: electromagnetic interference ESSID: extended service set ID FCC: Federal Communications Commission FDD: frequency division duplex FEQ: forward error correction FFT: fast fourier transform mathematical algorithm FH (or FHSS): frequency hopping spread spectrum FIPS: federal information processing standards GFSK: Gausian frequency shift keying HIPPA: Healthcare Insurance Portability and Accountability Act IC: Industry Canada (Canadian peer to FCC) IDU: indoor unit IF: intermediate frequency ISM: Industrial, Scientific, and Medical LOS: Line of sight LQI: link quality indicator MAC: media access control MAN: metropolitan area network MIB: management information bit(s) MIR: maximum information rate NLOS: Near/non LOS NMS: network management system NPU: network processing unit OAM: operation, administration maintenance ODU: outdoor unit OET: Office of Engineering and Technology (FCC division responsible for equipment authorization and rules enforcement) OFDM: orthogonal frequency division multiplexing OFDMA: orthogonal frequency division multiple access OBE or OOBE: out-of-band emissions PAN: personal area network Part 15: refers to FCC regulations in Part 15.247 of the Federal Code governing certain UL bands PIU: power
RE: [WISPA] Mikrotik as an Orinoco AP-1000 Replacment
Why are you twisting my words, Johnny? I never mentioned a word about having DIY. I said the WISPA DIY was a pipe dream because I know the FCC and how they do things. We do not have any DIY in our WISP and never have. Our RF is all Canopy, Deliberant, and Tranzeo. We use certified gear along with certified antennas in the proper configurations. My remaining Orinoco access points (which are Part 15 certified including their integrated antennas) are trucking along nicely (and they are not part of the WISP). My stance on FCC Part 15 is that it is embarrasing that people in our industry brag that they are disobeying the rules and it casts a pall over the WISP industry. It is perfect ammunition for those who would like to see us gone to lobby for such things. I'm afraid that before we see access to new bands and things like TV white space that we need to clean up our own backyards. The kettle is definitely black, but there's not even a pot on the stove! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JohnnyO Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 11:01 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik as an Orinoco AP-1000 Replacment Ralph - I do believe Butch has a valid point here. If you are using an Orinoco AP with your own DIY setup (sounds like you are) - I hardly think you're legal. So why does the pot call the kettle black in this or any other instance ? JohnnyO - Original Message - From: Ralph [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 7:03 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Mikrotik as an Orinoco AP-1000 Replacment Yep, and addition to being fully FCC Part 15 certified, I plugged it in with a UL approved Power cord too :-P I don't need to justify legality to allow someone to rationalize illegality. Sorry As well known as you are to Mikrotik Butch (even I was about to hire you for some MT Router work), why don't you encourage MT to make some certified designs? WISPA's wish for a do it yourself palette of devices to cobble together and be certified is a pipe dream. The FCC doesn't work like that. If they did, then Kenwood, Icom, Motorola, and the others would already have do-it-yourself commercial radio kits. And you'd be able to go to Radio Shack and buy a kit to build a microwave oven project. How can we WISPS as an industry just blatantly defy the rules. Because they are silly doesn't void them, nor does it give us the authorization to ignore them. Does someone need to get fined and made an example of? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 5:56 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Mikrotik as an Orinoco AP-1000 Replacment snip I suppose you are using a complete certified system with the Orinoco AP? (radio, pigtail, enclosure, cables, antenna) Just for all our comfort, can you provide the FCC IDs on the gear you are using? snip -- ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik as an Orinoco AP-1000 Replacment
Ralph, as a matter of fact, you CAN build your own radios... http://www.ramseyelectronics.com/ I'm saddened that anyone in this industry would not want the ability to mix and match CERTIFIED components. It's done all of the time already. Both in our industry, the PC industry, industrial controls etc. etc. etc. etc. Oh yeah, let us no forget about the hams. They don't even have to use certified components! They can build the whole thing from the ground up. Seems to me that radio and TV stations can also built transmit sights as they see fit. THEY are the responsible parties. But that's all ok. If we get our way you'll still be able to buy that certified system! No problem with that. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Ralph [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 5:03 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Mikrotik as an Orinoco AP-1000 Replacment Yep, and addition to being fully FCC Part 15 certified, I plugged it in with a UL approved Power cord too :-P I don't need to justify legality to allow someone to rationalize illegality. Sorry As well known as you are to Mikrotik Butch (even I was about to hire you for some MT Router work), why don't you encourage MT to make some certified designs? WISPA's wish for a do it yourself palette of devices to cobble together and be certified is a pipe dream. The FCC doesn't work like that. If they did, then Kenwood, Icom, Motorola, and the others would already have do-it-yourself commercial radio kits. And you'd be able to go to Radio Shack and buy a kit to build a microwave oven project. How can we WISPS as an industry just blatantly defy the rules. Because they are silly doesn't void them, nor does it give us the authorization to ignore them. Does someone need to get fined and made an example of? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 5:56 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Mikrotik as an Orinoco AP-1000 Replacment snip I suppose you are using a complete certified system with the Orinoco AP? (radio, pigtail, enclosure, cables, antenna) Just for all our comfort, can you provide the FCC IDs on the gear you are using? snip -- ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] DIY Server Questions
I would second the 'buy a pre-built system' option. I have built my own servers for over 10 years and honestly for production servers I would rather buy a dell or a compaq rackmount with redundant power supplies, true hardware raid and hot swap drives. If you are just starting out and on a budget I would look at ebay for older rack mounts. I have gotten DL380s for a reasonable prices and if you aren't a large ISP a DL380 dual processor P3 or P4 will easily meet your webserver, mailserver, dns server or radius server needs. They have dual power supplies, and true hardware raid with hot swap scsi drives. If you get several and use xen virtualization then total machine failure is pretty easy to deal with as well. Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless Ryan Langseth wrote: While I would free comfortable building my own servers (the OS setup is custom). I buy hardware from Dell. Its solid server equipment and very easy to work with. I would recommend checking into buying servers prebuilt. While building your own seems to be cheaper. there are numerous added benefits features that are found by buying prebuilt. I would suggest looking at getting a vendor account with dell, you can gain some discounts. The design of Dells rackmount hardware is terrific. Almost Hot Swap everything, tool-less (quick to replace something if you need to do it as down time), smart systems to handle cooling, remote management cards, and clear upgrade paths. Do not buy 1U imo, its expensive and you only gain 1U and an unupgradeable server. Plan your systems to last 3-5 years. Look at using some virtualization software, in the long run it will be helpful, there are numerous free versions. If you buy rack mount hardware make sure to look at the mounting rails, Dell's rails are the best I have seen. I would suggest buying a square hole rack. they are the most flexible for mounting methods. Remember to look at how you are going to run cables, you will have more than you expect. Don't forget room for backup power / batteries. Find a generator that can be powered by dual fuel (propane / Diesel) If you plan on building a data center to support sell space to business, look at cages. and a method for 24 hour access. Depending on how many servers you are planning on buying, and if you buy from a vendor. See what you can get for free from them. There is a good chapter in Oreilly's Network Warrior about power and cooling planning. As for the OS: 1) centralize the following - Logging (syslog) - Authentication (AAA) - Security (tripwire) 2) Look at putting config files in revision control (will make it easy to reverse changes) 3) Do not make Backup systems an afterthought 4) Design it with two networks (management and external) 5) Document everything, I would suggest having a Ticketing system in place for any change that gets made, nothing gets changed without a Ticket, even if you are the only person that makes changes. 6) Trending, anything that can be monitored, do it. Troubleshooting is much easier if you know what has changed. Debian is by far my favorite choice of distros. FreeBSD/OpenBSD is great for firewalls with pf and carp for redundancy. Ubuntu LTS server for anything I that I need more up to date software. Fedora has Red Hat's Directory Server (with an excellent management interface) Again, Documentation is going to be your best friend Hope that helps, Ryan On Aug 29, 2007, at 6:02 PM, Jory Privett wrote: You can get racks from lots of places. I would check with someplace local since shipping them can get expensive. For rackmount cases any good PC parts retailer should have them from 1U up to match any configuration you might want. I would suggest getting something with a common power supply. Some of the smaller units have custom ones that are not readily available if it dies. I run all of my server on the AMD platform and have for over 7 years now. I still have a couple of my original servers in production and they still perform well for their job. Compared against the Intel they perform just as well and are much cheaper. For Disk drives I would suggest Seagate or Western Digital, I am not a fan of anything else out there. Asus makes a good product but so does Gigabyte, MSI, and any other main stream manufacturer. For the OS I would run Debian. It is very flexible and secure and has lots of packages available. It is simple to install BIND for DNS, FreeRadius for AAA, Freeside for billing, and Cacti for monitoring/graphing and all of the background apps that are required. FreeBSD and Fedora are also very popular. Jory Privett WCCS - Original Message - From: Dave Brenton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 4:35 PM Subject: [WISPA] DIY Server Questions Hi Gang! I'm finally, at long last building my Network Operations Center and would love to hear recommendations from the brave souls out
RE: [WISPA] Mikrotik as an Orinoco AP-1000 Replacment
Of course you can build a radio kit from Ramsey, but you won't be using it on commercial frequencies. You know that's what I was talking about. You don't put Ramsey in the same category as Moto, Kenwood and Icom. Hams cannot build equipment for resale, Ham gear may not be used on non-ham frequencies or the Ham will lose his LICENSE. TV and radio stations are under very close scrutiny from the FCC to stay within the guidelines of their LICENSE. Enen a small modification to their tower or their transmitting frequency or direction can get them fined. Do you see the common key word in the above sentences? LICENSED. The WISP equipment we are discussing here is not licensed. There is a large difference. It would be nice if there was a way to mix n' match radios, antennas and whotnot any way we wanted, but I just don't see it happening. The PC industry and the industrial control industry are not building transmitting systems. Its not even apples and apples. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 11:58 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik as an Orinoco AP-1000 Replacment Ralph, as a matter of fact, you CAN build your own radios... http://www.ramseyelectronics.com/ I'm saddened that anyone in this industry would not want the ability to mix and match CERTIFIED components. It's done all of the time already. Both in our industry, the PC industry, industrial controls etc. etc. etc. etc. Oh yeah, let us no forget about the hams. They don't even have to use certified components! They can build the whole thing from the ground up. Seems to me that radio and TV stations can also built transmit sights as they see fit. THEY are the responsible parties. But that's all ok. If we get our way you'll still be able to buy that certified system! No problem with that. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Ralph [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 5:03 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Mikrotik as an Orinoco AP-1000 Replacment Yep, and addition to being fully FCC Part 15 certified, I plugged it in with a UL approved Power cord too :-P I don't need to justify legality to allow someone to rationalize illegality. Sorry As well known as you are to Mikrotik Butch (even I was about to hire you for some MT Router work), why don't you encourage MT to make some certified designs? WISPA's wish for a do it yourself palette of devices to cobble together and be certified is a pipe dream. The FCC doesn't work like that. If they did, then Kenwood, Icom, Motorola, and the others would already have do-it-yourself commercial radio kits. And you'd be able to go to Radio Shack and buy a kit to build a microwave oven project. How can we WISPS as an industry just blatantly defy the rules. Because they are silly doesn't void them, nor does it give us the authorization to ignore them. Does someone need to get fined and made an example of? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 5:56 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Mikrotik as an Orinoco AP-1000 Replacment snip I suppose you are using a complete certified system with the Orinoco AP? (radio, pigtail, enclosure, cables, antenna) Just for all our comfort, can you provide the FCC IDs on the gear you are using? snip -- ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List:
Re: [WISPA] official Google blog posts results of first year of the MV Wi-Fi network
Interesting, unless my math is off that is averaging approx 37 customers per AP (mesh router) and 3.5MBps or 28Mbps average network usage. That seems a bit low for 15k customers considering I know WISPs with 1.2K customers that average half that. Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless Patrick Leary wrote: The network has about 400 Tropos mesh nodes and some 60 BreezeACCESS VL nodes that provide the PmP backhaul layer. - Patrick First Year of Google Wi-Fi 8/24/2007 10:03:00 AM By Minnie Ingersoll, Chris Sacca Larry Alder, Alternative Access Team Our Mountain View WiFi network just celebrated its first anniversary http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2006/08/free-citywide-wifi-in-mountain-v iew.html , and we thought you'd appreciate a few data points. The network's 400+ mesh routers cover about 12 square miles http://wifi.google.com/city/mv/apmap.html and 25,000 homes to serve approximately 15,000 unique users each month. Since the beginning of 2007, traffic has grown almost 10 percent each month, and the network now handles over 300 gigabytes of data each day, sent to over 100 distinct types of WiFi devices. Virtually the entire city has been taking advantage of the network, with 95 percent of the mesh routers being used on any given day. Around the globe and across the U. S., many people are still not able to access the online services that are increasingly helpful, if not essential, tools for our daily lives. This is why we're committed to promoting alternative platforms for people to access the web, no matter where you are, what you're doing or what device you're using. For those who have been following the effort https://home.feather.net/sanfrancisco to create a free wireless network in San Francisco, we continue to hope that EarthLink and The City will find a way to enable all San Franciscans to enjoy the free WiFi network they deserve. On a broader scale, we hope that the success of the Mountain View model will encourage others to think creatively about how to address access issues in many other communities. This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(84). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ a href=http://mail.shwisp.net/spam/dspam.cgi?template=historyuser=tetherowretrain=spamsignatureID=16,46d4299a165646335691701;!DSPAM:16,46d4299a165646335691701!/a ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik as an Orinoco AP-1000 Replacment
Ralph, does it help that we're talking about a certified operator program? Not just allowing anyone to mix and match anything they want. Basically we'd create a new licensed unlicensed operator. What's the down side? marlon - Original Message - From: Ralph [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 9:13 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Mikrotik as an Orinoco AP-1000 Replacment Of course you can build a radio kit from Ramsey, but you won't be using it on commercial frequencies. You know that's what I was talking about. You don't put Ramsey in the same category as Moto, Kenwood and Icom. Hams cannot build equipment for resale, Ham gear may not be used on non-ham frequencies or the Ham will lose his LICENSE. TV and radio stations are under very close scrutiny from the FCC to stay within the guidelines of their LICENSE. Enen a small modification to their tower or their transmitting frequency or direction can get them fined. Do you see the common key word in the above sentences? LICENSED. The WISP equipment we are discussing here is not licensed. There is a large difference. It would be nice if there was a way to mix n' match radios, antennas and whotnot any way we wanted, but I just don't see it happening. The PC industry and the industrial control industry are not building transmitting systems. Its not even apples and apples. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 11:58 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik as an Orinoco AP-1000 Replacment Ralph, as a matter of fact, you CAN build your own radios... http://www.ramseyelectronics.com/ I'm saddened that anyone in this industry would not want the ability to mix and match CERTIFIED components. It's done all of the time already. Both in our industry, the PC industry, industrial controls etc. etc. etc. etc. Oh yeah, let us no forget about the hams. They don't even have to use certified components! They can build the whole thing from the ground up. Seems to me that radio and TV stations can also built transmit sights as they see fit. THEY are the responsible parties. But that's all ok. If we get our way you'll still be able to buy that certified system! No problem with that. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Ralph [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 5:03 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Mikrotik as an Orinoco AP-1000 Replacment Yep, and addition to being fully FCC Part 15 certified, I plugged it in with a UL approved Power cord too :-P I don't need to justify legality to allow someone to rationalize illegality. Sorry As well known as you are to Mikrotik Butch (even I was about to hire you for some MT Router work), why don't you encourage MT to make some certified designs? WISPA's wish for a do it yourself palette of devices to cobble together and be certified is a pipe dream. The FCC doesn't work like that. If they did, then Kenwood, Icom, Motorola, and the others would already have do-it-yourself commercial radio kits. And you'd be able to go to Radio Shack and buy a kit to build a microwave oven project. How can we WISPS as an industry just blatantly defy the rules. Because they are silly doesn't void them, nor does it give us the authorization to ignore them. Does someone need to get fined and made an example of? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 5:56 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Mikrotik as an Orinoco AP-1000 Replacment snip I suppose you are using a complete certified system with the Orinoco AP? (radio, pigtail, enclosure, cables, antenna) Just for all our comfort, can you provide the FCC IDs on the gear you are using? snip -- ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik as an Orinoco AP-1000 Replacment
The downside may be that creating such a licensed operator program may not be feasible and could possibly attract attention (negative attention) to the WISP industry. I am not saying that is how it would go. I am just saying that there needs to be more thought given to this idea of a licensed operator program for WISPs. I am not convinced that this is needed or that it will fix any problems. In order for this type of a program to fix the problems then people who use the gear would need to get their operator's license. If the FCC will not enforce the rules in place now then what makes you think people will abide by the new licensed operator rule any more than they would the current rules? I think if we had one minor change to the rules which stated that as long as EIRP and oob emission standards were met using certified radio devices then any combinations of passive devices, SBCs and software connected to those certified radios would be legal. That should be the crux of our petition if one is made. I think the licensed operator idea is a great concept that will likely not be logistically or feasibly practical to implement or lobby for passage of. If we cannot get the relaxation of the certification rules then I doubt any other idea for allowing this to change will succeed. Scriv Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Ralph, does it help that we're talking about a certified operator program? Not just allowing anyone to mix and match anything they want. Basically we'd create a new licensed unlicensed operator. What's the down side? marlon - Original Message - From: Ralph [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 9:13 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Mikrotik as an Orinoco AP-1000 Replacment Of course you can build a radio kit from Ramsey, but you won't be using it on commercial frequencies. You know that's what I was talking about. You don't put Ramsey in the same category as Moto, Kenwood and Icom. Hams cannot build equipment for resale, Ham gear may not be used on non-ham frequencies or the Ham will lose his LICENSE. TV and radio stations are under very close scrutiny from the FCC to stay within the guidelines of their LICENSE. Enen a small modification to their tower or their transmitting frequency or direction can get them fined. Do you see the common key word in the above sentences? LICENSED. The WISP equipment we are discussing here is not licensed. There is a large difference. It would be nice if there was a way to mix n' match radios, antennas and whotnot any way we wanted, but I just don't see it happening. The PC industry and the industrial control industry are not building transmitting systems. Its not even apples and apples. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 11:58 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik as an Orinoco AP-1000 Replacment Ralph, as a matter of fact, you CAN build your own radios... http://www.ramseyelectronics.com/ I'm saddened that anyone in this industry would not want the ability to mix and match CERTIFIED components. It's done all of the time already. Both in our industry, the PC industry, industrial controls etc. etc. etc. etc. Oh yeah, let us no forget about the hams. They don't even have to use certified components! They can build the whole thing from the ground up. Seems to me that radio and TV stations can also built transmit sights as they see fit. THEY are the responsible parties. But that's all ok. If we get our way you'll still be able to buy that certified system! No problem with that. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Ralph [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 5:03 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Mikrotik as an Orinoco AP-1000 Replacment Yep, and addition to being fully FCC Part 15 certified, I plugged it in with a UL approved Power cord too :-P I don't need to justify legality to allow someone to rationalize illegality. Sorry As well known as you are to Mikrotik Butch (even I was about to hire you for some MT Router work), why don't you encourage MT to make some certified designs? WISPA's wish for a do it yourself palette of devices to cobble together and be certified is a pipe dream. The FCC doesn't work like that. If they did, then Kenwood, Icom, Motorola, and the others would already have do-it-yourself commercial radio kits. And you'd be able to go to Radio Shack and buy a kit to build a microwave oven project. How can we WISPS as an industry just blatantly defy the rules. Because they are silly doesn't void them, nor does it give us the authorization to ignore them. Does someone need to get fined and made an example of? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 5:56
