Re: [WISPA] POE
Easy really, more and more locations including schools are using VoIP systems for internal phone systems. So opposed to have a power pack for each phone, it is all just provided via the switch. Easier to manage for the sys admin in charge. Also certain PoE switches can power their Remote AP's for the in school wifi. There are a bunch of advantages as far as flexibility and management, but for the most part, not always needed, but hey, it's just your tax money paying for it after allhaha. They are probably saying it's going to cost 50K to cover up other items they are buying, your right, it shouldn't be that much. Keep in mind, when they buy these units, they also list the retail price for the equipment instead of what they actually pay for it most of the time. -Cameron -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2008 10:30 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] POE Can someone explain why a school would want to pay $1900@ for 25 48-port 10/100/1000 switches with PoE capability for a possible future need versus $500-600 for a plain 48-port 10/100/1000 switch? No one that I can find has a reason except maybe it would be needed in 5 years. Second question, replacing 48 24-port 10/100 switches with the above 48-port ones, can anyone explain why it should cost almost $50,000? I cannot imagine how it would take even 2 days to do, let alone any tests that would be so elaborate and/or expensive. [My geek son and a few of his friends thought it would take them a day at $100@ plus lunch and extra Diet Dr Pepper] Thanks! Walter Walter W. Stumpf Jr. Xanadu Group Inc. 179 Statesville Quarry Road Lafayette NJ 07848-3128 USA 973-702-3899 fax 775-667-1995 **Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut000507) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] POE
POE Offers a flexibility that a standard Switch does not. It gives the administrators the ability to put Wireless access units anywhere without running special cabling. It also gives them the ability to install IP cameras for surveillance anywhere there is a network drop. These may not be standard switches either, Likely they are managed switches. Adding management to switches doubles the cost as well as POE increasing the cost. The labor, well likely if these are managed POE switches there is many hours of network mapping and management to control network flow and system optimization. If these are Cisco or HP Trained installers then they likely get hundreds of dollars per hour and that training is needed to do the network optimization right. The question is, is the managed network really needed. Our local School corp. IT admin would say definitely. Steve Barnes Executive Manager PCS-WIN RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service (765)584-2288 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2008 10:30 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] POE Can someone explain why a school would want to pay $1900@ for 25 48-port 10/100/1000 switches with PoE capability for a possible future need versus $500-600 for a plain 48-port 10/100/1000 switch? No one that I can find has a reason except maybe it would be needed in 5 years. Second question, replacing 48 24-port 10/100 switches with the above 48-port ones, can anyone explain why it should cost almost $50,000? I cannot imagine how it would take even 2 days to do, let alone any tests that would be so elaborate and/or expensive. [My geek son and a few of his friends thought it would take them a day at $100@ plus lunch and extra Diet Dr Pepper] Thanks! Walter Walter W. Stumpf Jr. Xanadu Group Inc. 179 Statesville Quarry Road Lafayette NJ 07848-3128 USA 973-702-3899 fax 775-667-1995 **Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut000507) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] solar equipment / partners?
Here's one situation where solar worked out for us. We're on a water tank about 200' from power. The cost of the trenching (lots of rocks) and power hookup was more than the solar equipment I'd need for this small POP. But I agree, solar just isn't easy to cost justify yet. Now if we could just turn some of this dang heat in St. George to power somehow http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2007-06/uou-asw060107.php Randy Chuck McCown - 3 wrote: I have been doing solar powered radio sites for 25 years. I will never do one where commercial power is available. Not sure how folks buying panels at $5/watt can think this is a good deal compared with 7 cents per 1000 watts. - Original Message - From: Rogelio [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Charles N Wyble [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 10:14 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] solar equipment / partners? Charles N Wyble wrote: We are looking to deploy several hundred radios as well for a large scale private network, and want it to be resilient as possible. This includes power and back haul connectivity. Solar looks to be a good backup power option, and with the price of everything increasing perhaps a good primary option? Yeah, apparently people have been doing the math on the power required and the amount saved, and apparently it's significant. Not sure how they can know this without looking at specific equipment, but apparently it's worth seriously looking into, in their opinion. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc office: 435-773-6071 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] top 10 benefits of Wimax in 3.65ghz
Chuck, Not an ad. Yes I have deployed. I know of 2 competitors that offer sub 400 dollar CPE, as well as us. BR, Jeff Booher Channel Manager, North America www.apertonet.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 24/7: 206-455-4950 On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 12:57:08 -0600, Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Have you actually deployed WiMax @ 3.65 and have experienced this first hand? Where can I purchase sub $350 CPE on 3.65 today? This looks more like a vendor's ad than a WISP reporting real world experiences. Lots of dangling comparatives. - Original Message - From: jeffrey thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2008 12:45 PM Subject: [WISPA] top 10 benefits of Wimax in 3.65ghz Since everyone was talking about wimax, thought I would throw my 3 cents in :) Benefits of Wimax in 3.65ghz 1. Spectral efficiency ( 4.85 gross bp/hz ) On a six sector configuration with only 25mhz of spectrum, you can effectively deliver approx 20mb per sector or 120 mb / per pop, 240 mb when all 50 mhz is supported. Support for thousands of subscribers is possible off the same BSU. 2. multiple vendor support ( currently you have Redline, Aperto, Airspan, Alvarion, all with FCC approved equipment ) 3. Better RF performance ( even with siso systems ) 4. NLOS performance ( OFDM+OFDMA = More difficult shots obtain link ) 5. Better QOS support, and service flows ( UGS, NRTPS, ETC can be ) 6. Greater scalablity ( Single sector can support hundreds of subscribers, our platform supports 30,000 pps ) 7. Support for multiline VOIP out of box ( UGS + 30K PPS ) 8. Sub 350 cpe shipping today ( in 100 packs, less with frame order commitments putting your cost sub 300 ) 9. Carrier class systems vs Wisp class ( True 99.999% uptime solutions available for base station equipment, reducing downtime and truck rolls ) 10. Carrier class network management systems that simplify provisioning and management of subscribers and base stations. Even if you don't choose aperto, there are many options in the market to choose from. Talk to your local reseller about your options, Such as Wireless Connections and Wirelessguys carry many products to choose from. Best Regards, Jeff Booher Aperto Networks, Inc Channel Manager, North America www.apertonet.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 24/7: 206-455-4950 On Fri, 4 Jul 2008 10:14:44 -0500, Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Increased spectral efficiency Advanced antenna support (the only benefit I understand is increased signal margin) Higher likelihood of multiple vendors vs. many previous BWA technologies, though not now Eventual lower CPE cost, though not now -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 8:55 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Update from the FCC on 3.65Ghz and CBP What is your opinion about the greatness of WiMax based upon? - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 7:19 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Update from the FCC on 3.65Ghz and CBP I believe that WiMax is great... greater than equipment we currently use. I just don't use it at this time because of the cost. I also don't buy into a lot of the hype people (press, manufacturers, vendors, others) are pushing. I had a project that required 10 meg of synchronous, committed bandwidth per customer. I was told (by more than one group) because of the WiMax magic, I could put 2 - 3 customers on equipment capable of 23 megs. Sorry, you simply cannot put 10 pounds of shit in a 5 pound box, no matter the magic. Other than Mikrotik, only the AN-80i would have been worth it. I do appreciate the FCC's requirement of equipment getting along with dissimilar equipment. Who knows when we'll have another Canopy or Tsunami introduced that just doesn't play well with others. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 11:38 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Update from the FCC on 3.65Ghz and CBP I do not think we should build our networks for the sole purpose of suckering, err, selling to someone else. I do believe that I want anything I build to have value in the event I do sell. That is not suckering anyone. Why not build something that holds value or appreciates in value? I know a future plan for WISPs to build WiMax
Re: [WISPA] top 10 benefits of Wimax in 3.65ghz
Scottie, We already do that. We have a sliding scale licensing model that starts at 16 CPE per sector. I know one other competitor that does this as well ( Airspan ) Jeff Booher Channel Manager, North America www.apertonet.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 24/7: 206-455-4950 On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 19:10:03 -0500, Scottie Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: It would be great if this worked for everyone, everywhere. Still vendors are missing the point in many cases. Every place does NOT have a potential for 1000 subs (there is not a 1000 homes in the town I live), nor is every place FLAT that can be reached with service for 1000 subs. I have 4 900 Mhz AP's on 4 seperate towers just to cover 150 people in one county we service. I could not cover that many with 4 of your 3.65Ghz, too many hills. Build me an AP that I can buy with licenses for a certain amount of subscribers. Charge me less than $10,000(or whatever yours cost, it will definately be higher than my 900Mhz AP) for that AP, then I will buy into your 3.65. The vendors are taking the same stance as the FCC on these rural areas, forget about them...no money to be made there. Hey even rural folks need broadband too, after all we are people just like in the big cities...only thing is, it doesn't take us an hour or longer to get to work everyday. :) Scott -- Original Message -- From: jeffrey thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2008 11:45:08 -0700 Benefits of Wimax in 3.65ghz 1. Spectral efficiency ( 4.85 gross bp/hz ) On a six sector configuration with only 25mhz of spectrum, you can effectively deliver approx 20mb per sector or 120 mb / per pop, 240 mb when all 50 mhz is supported. Support for thousands of subscribers is possible off the same Aperto Networks, Inc Channel Manager, North America www.apertonet.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 24/7: 206-455-4950 On Fri, 4 Jul 2008 10:14:44 -0500, Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Increased spectral efficiency Advanced antenna support (the only benefit I understand is increased signal margin) Higher likelihood of multiple vendors vs. many previous BWA technologies, though not now Eventual lower CPE cost, though not now -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 8:55 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Update from the FCC on 3.65Ghz and CBP What is your opinion about the greatness of WiMax based upon? - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 7:19 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Update from the FCC on 3.65Ghz and CBP I believe that WiMax is great... greater than equipment we currently use. I just don't use it at this time because of the cost. I also don't buy into a lot of the hype people (press, manufacturers, vendors, others) are pushing. I had a project that required 10 meg of synchronous, committed bandwidth per customer. I was told (by more than one group) because of the WiMax magic, I could put 2 - 3 customers on equipment capable of 23 megs. Sorry, you simply cannot put 10 pounds of shit in a 5 pound box, no matter the magic. Other than Mikrotik, only the AN-80i would have been worth it. I do appreciate the FCC's requirement of equipment getting along with dissimilar equipment. Who knows when we'll have another Canopy or Tsunami introduced that just doesn't play well with others. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 11:38 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Update from the FCC on 3.65Ghz and CBP I do not think we should build our networks for the sole purpose of suckering, err, selling to someone else. I do believe that I want anything I build to have value in the event I do sell. That is not suckering anyone. Why not build something that holds value or appreciates in value? I know a future plan for WISPs to build WiMax networks in 3.65 would result in better networks, better valuations for WISPs and better economies of scale. Leaning on 802.11 further is just not the plan we should be using for new bands and new opportunities like we have in 3650. We have a chance to build something greater than we have now. WiMax is what the rest of the world is already using in the 3.4 thru 3.8 GHz band. Do any of you think it is smarter for us to abandon the global scale afforded to us if we adopt WiMax in 3.65?
Re: [WISPA] top 10 benefits of Wimax in 3.65ghz
Jack, Drew is an operator who is already deployed with Airspan, I believe. Is this correct Drew? Yes, forested areas always present a challenge, whether its 900, 700, 3.65ghz, 5.8ghz, etc etc. - Jeff Booher Channel Manager, North America www.apertonet.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 24/7: 206-455-4950 On Sun, 06 Jul 2008 18:53:12 -0700, Jack Unger [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Drew, Are you drawing your conclusions based on 3.65 deployments in other parts of the world? I ask because it's hard to imagine that there are already enough 3.65 deployments in the U.S. to draw all your conclusions. Also, physics is still physics. Even given advanced antenna systems, nLOS and NLOS performance at 3.65 is still going to be limited by hills and trees. No matter how advanced the APs and antenna systems, I find it very hard to believe that 3.65 is going to approach the performance of 900 MHz inside of (or on the other side of) a forested area. jack Drew Lentz wrote: I completely disagree with you on this topic. 3.65 makes a great play in a rural setting. I have spoken with many different groups who are capitalizing exactly on what benefits this frequency space offers in these environments. The price tags are not as high as you think, and the return on it is far greater than just how quickly your money comes back in. The ability to provide high bandwidth services in a space where you can control the QoS and give your end-users the ability (soon) to choose their own client device, at least to me, makes more sense than using a lightweight product like 900. As fas as battling terrain changes, look again at the nLOS and NLOS characteristics of 3.65 .. not to mention mobility and the self-install CPE. -d WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Cisco Press Author - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs Vendor-Neutral Wireless Design-Training-Troubleshooting-Consulting FCC License # PG-12-25133 Profile http://www.linkedin.com/in/jackunger Phone 818-227-4220 Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] DMS Antennas
Anyone used DMS Antennas? In particular, I'm looking at their OM5712H - 5.8GHz H-pol omni. Not a bad price on it but want to be sure it's a decent antenna. Thanks! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] top 10 benefits of Wimax in 3.65ghz
We already do that. We have a sliding scale licensing model that starts at 16 CPE per sector. I know one other competitor that does this as well ( Airspan ) Is there an omni option? We have some rural sites that only have like 15 users on the total site. They don't make us much money but I would prefer to not just tell users in areas like this tough. Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] DMS Antennas
I can tell you that DMS got served a patent infringement order for knocking off my products. They did a similar thing to Equinox. The stinger knock off had 5 dB gain if you were lucky. That should give you an idea of their quality. - Original Message - From: Jason Hensley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 11:16 AM Subject: [WISPA] DMS Antennas Anyone used DMS Antennas? In particular, I'm looking at their OM5712H - 5.8GHz H-pol omni. Not a bad price on it but want to be sure it's a decent antenna. Thanks! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] DMS Antennas
Last Mile Gear. - Original Message - From: Jason Hensley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 11:45 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] DMS Antennas Suggestions for a 5GHz H-pol Omni then? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 12:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] DMS Antennas I can tell you that DMS got served a patent infringement order for knocking off my products. They did a similar thing to Equinox. The stinger knock off had 5 dB gain if you were lucky. That should give you an idea of their quality. - Original Message - From: Jason Hensley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 11:16 AM Subject: [WISPA] DMS Antennas Anyone used DMS Antennas? In particular, I'm looking at their OM5712H - 5.8GHz H-pol omni. Not a bad price on it but want to be sure it's a decent antenna. Thanks! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] top 10 benefits of Wimax in 3.65ghz
We operated in 2.5/6 with Navini and saw some great results. I know that it is a different monster than 3.65, but I guess the point that I was trying to make was the overall difference in using a robust product, like what's available in 3.65, vs using off the shelf or even Moto 900. I completely understand the terrain variance in the different parts of the US and as such, the signal prop will vary based on the type of deployment, the area of coverage, etc. However, what I have seen and heard in the 3.65 space excites me because of the characteristics of the equipment, the available power, and the amount of bandwidth available to the end-user. I agree that the jury is still out because of the lack of large-scale deployments, but I really like what I am seeing and hearing so far. While 900 is a killer freq to have in areas like you were speaking of, because of its propagation through high forestation etc, a small micro cell deployment of 3.65 in those same areas can yield higher throughputs and greater availability of low-cost CPE (when they get approved and on the market) to the end-users. I guess I'm just a fan of larger systems :) -d jeffrey thomas wrote: Jack, Drew is an operator who is already deployed with Airspan, I believe. Is this correct Drew? Yes, forested areas always present a challenge, whether its 900, 700, 3.65ghz, 5.8ghz, etc etc. - Jeff Booher Channel Manager, North America www.apertonet.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 24/7: 206-455-4950 On Sun, 06 Jul 2008 18:53:12 -0700, Jack Unger [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Drew, Are you drawing your conclusions based on 3.65 deployments in other parts of the world? I ask because it's hard to imagine that there are already enough 3.65 deployments in the U.S. to draw all your conclusions. Also, physics is still physics. Even given advanced antenna systems, nLOS and NLOS performance at 3.65 is still going to be limited by hills and trees. No matter how advanced the APs and antenna systems, I find it very hard to believe that 3.65 is going to approach the performance of 900 MHz inside of (or on the other side of) a forested area. jack Drew Lentz wrote: I completely disagree with you on this topic. 3.65 makes a great play in a rural setting. I have spoken with many different groups who are capitalizing exactly on what benefits this frequency space offers in these environments. The price tags are not as high as you think, and the return on it is far greater than just how quickly your money comes back in. The ability to provide high bandwidth services in a space where you can control the QoS and give your end-users the ability (soon) to choose their own client device, at least to me, makes more sense than using a lightweight product like 900. As fas as battling terrain changes, look again at the nLOS and NLOS characteristics of 3.65 .. not to mention mobility and the self-install CPE. -d WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Cisco Press Author - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs Vendor-Neutral Wireless Design-Training-Troubleshooting-Consulting FCC License # PG-12-25133 Profile http://www.linkedin.com/in/jackunger Phone 818-227-4220 Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] DMS Antennas
Pac Wireless makes a solid one. http://www.pacwireless.com/products/OD5x.shtml On Jul 7, 2008, at 12:45 PM, Jason Hensley wrote: Suggestions for a 5GHz H-pol Omni then? inline: ctilogo200.jpg Bo Ring Account Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] cell: 630-743-1162 • office: 312-205-2515 16W235 83rd Street, Suite A, Burr Ridge, IL 60527 • tel: 773.667.4585 fax: 773.326.4641 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] DMS Antennas
Think he was looking for HPOL Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bo Ring Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 4:59 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] DMS Antennas Pac Wireless makes a solid one. http://www.pacwireless.com/products/OD5x.shtml On Jul 7, 2008, at 12:45 PM, Jason Hensley wrote: Suggestions for a 5GHz H-pol Omni then? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] DMS Antennas
It's not H-pol. Given the problems with PacWireless meeting delivery expectations lately, I was hoping for someone else. What about a 120* H-pol sector (5.8GHz)? Anyone? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bo Ring Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 3:59 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] DMS Antennas Pac Wireless makes a solid one. http://www.pacwireless.com/products/OD5x.shtml On Jul 7, 2008, at 12:45 PM, Jason Hensley wrote: Suggestions for a 5GHz H-pol Omni then? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] DMS Antennas
Sorry, I crossed my lines. Microcom has an Omni H-Pol. Pac does have the H-pol sectors, but I understand about their delivery issues. I really understand that part all too well. On Jul 7, 2008, at 4:03 PM, Jason Hensley wrote: It's not H-pol. Given the problems with PacWireless meeting delivery expectations lately, I was hoping for someone else. What about a 120* H-pol sector (5.8GHz)? Anyone? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bo Ring Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 3:59 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] DMS Antennas Pac Wireless makes a solid one. http://www.pacwireless.com/products/OD5x.shtml On Jul 7, 2008, at 12:45 PM, Jason Hensley wrote: Suggestions for a 5GHz H-pol Omni then? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ inline: ctilogo200.jpg Bo Ring Account Manager [EMAIL PROTECTED] cell: 630-743-1162 • office: 312-205-2515 16W235 83rd Street, Suite A, Burr Ridge, IL 60527 • tel: 773.667.4585 fax: 773.326.4641 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] top 10 benefits of Wimax in 3.65ghz
That sounds great. I know I talked to someone from Aperto before, but could someone hit me up offlist? Since Airspan does this as well, could someone from there? -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: jeffrey thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 12:04 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] top 10 benefits of Wimax in 3.65ghz Scottie, We already do that. We have a sliding scale licensing model that starts at 16 CPE per sector. I know one other competitor that does this as well ( Airspan ) Jeff Booher Channel Manager, North America www.apertonet.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 24/7: 206-455-4950 On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 19:10:03 -0500, Scottie Arnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: It would be great if this worked for everyone, everywhere. Still vendors are missing the point in many cases. Every place does NOT have a potential for 1000 subs (there is not a 1000 homes in the town I live), nor is every place FLAT that can be reached with service for 1000 subs. I have 4 900 Mhz AP's on 4 seperate towers just to cover 150 people in one county we service. I could not cover that many with 4 of your 3.65Ghz, too many hills. Build me an AP that I can buy with licenses for a certain amount of subscribers. Charge me less than $10,000(or whatever yours cost, it will definately be higher than my 900Mhz AP) for that AP, then I will buy into your 3.65. The vendors are taking the same stance as the FCC on these rural areas, forget about them...no money to be made there. Hey even rural folks need broadband too, after all we are people just like in the big cities...only thing is, it doesn't take us an hour or longer to get to work everyday. :) Scott -- Original Message -- From: jeffrey thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2008 11:45:08 -0700 Benefits of Wimax in 3.65ghz 1. Spectral efficiency ( 4.85 gross bp/hz ) On a six sector configuration with only 25mhz of spectrum, you can effectively deliver approx 20mb per sector or 120 mb / per pop, 240 mb when all 50 mhz is supported. Support for thousands of subscribers is possible off the same Aperto Networks, Inc Channel Manager, North America www.apertonet.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 24/7: 206-455-4950 On Fri, 4 Jul 2008 10:14:44 -0500, Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Increased spectral efficiency Advanced antenna support (the only benefit I understand is increased signal margin) Higher likelihood of multiple vendors vs. many previous BWA technologies, though not now Eventual lower CPE cost, though not now -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown - 3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 8:55 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Update from the FCC on 3.65Ghz and CBP What is your opinion about the greatness of WiMax based upon? - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 7:19 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Update from the FCC on 3.65Ghz and CBP I believe that WiMax is great... greater than equipment we currently use. I just don't use it at this time because of the cost. I also don't buy into a lot of the hype people (press, manufacturers, vendors, others) are pushing. I had a project that required 10 meg of synchronous, committed bandwidth per customer. I was told (by more than one group) because of the WiMax magic, I could put 2 - 3 customers on equipment capable of 23 megs. Sorry, you simply cannot put 10 pounds of shit in a 5 pound box, no matter the magic. Other than Mikrotik, only the AN-80i would have been worth it. I do appreciate the FCC's requirement of equipment getting along with dissimilar equipment. Who knows when we'll have another Canopy or Tsunami introduced that just doesn't play well with others. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 11:38 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Update from the FCC on 3.65Ghz and CBP I do not think we should build our networks for the sole purpose of suckering, err, selling to someone else. I do believe that I want anything I build to have value in the event I do sell. That is not suckering anyone. Why not build something that holds value or appreciates in value? I know a future plan for WISPs to build WiMax
Re: [WISPA] POE
Cameron- First, it is costing us $90,000 for equipment and installation. Second, they just had installed a brand new telephone/intercom system-non VoIP :( Third, I am told the PoE capability is for the 'future' What future is what no one can tell me/explain. Walter In a message dated 7/7/2008 8:20:32 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Easy really, more and more locations including schools are using VoIP systems for internal phone systems. So opposed to have a power pack for each phone, it is all just provided via the switch. Easier to manage for the sys admin in charge. Also certain PoE switches can power their Remote AP's for the in school wifi. There are a bunch of advantages as far as flexibility and management, but for the most part, not always needed, but hey, it's just your tax money paying for it after allhaha. They are probably saying it's going to cost 50K to cover up other items they are buying, your right, it shouldn't be that much. Keep in mind, when they buy these units, they also list the retail price for the equipment instead of what they actually pay for it most of the time. -Cameron -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2008 10:30 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] POE Can someone explain why a school would want to pay $1900@ for 25 48-port 10/100/1000 switches with PoE capability for a possible future need versus $500-600 for a plain 48-port 10/100/1000 switch? No one that I can find has a reason except maybe it would be needed in 5 years. Second question, replacing 48 24-port 10/100 switches with the above 48-port ones, can anyone explain why it should cost almost $50,000? I cannot imagine how it would take even 2 days to do, let alone any tests that would be so elaborate and/or expensive. [My geek son and a few of his friends thought it would take them a day at $100@ plus lunch and extra Diet Dr Pepper] Thanks! Walter Walter W. Stumpf Jr. Xanadu Group Inc. 179 Statesville Quarry Road Lafayette NJ 07848-3128 USA 973-702-3899 fax 775-667-1995 **Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut000507) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ **Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut000507) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] POE
Wayne, They may just have a really good salesman and an uninformed board. Someone is leading that circus and that is where you will find the man behind the curtain who is making the decisions. Mac -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 3:37 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [WISPA] POE Cameron- First, it is costing us $90,000 for equipment and installation. Second, they just had installed a brand new telephone/intercom system- non VoIP :( Third, I am told the PoE capability is for the 'future' What future is what no one can tell me/explain. Walter In a message dated 7/7/2008 8:20:32 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Easy really, more and more locations including schools are using VoIP systems for internal phone systems. So opposed to have a power pack for each phone, it is all just provided via the switch. Easier to manage for the sys admin in charge. Also certain PoE switches can power their Remote AP's for the in school wifi. There are a bunch of advantages as far as flexibility and management, but for the most part, not always needed, but hey, it's just your tax money paying for it after allhaha. They are probably saying it's going to cost 50K to cover up other items they are buying, your right, it shouldn't be that much. Keep in mind, when they buy these units, they also list the retail price for the equipment instead of what they actually pay for it most of the time. -Cameron -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2008 10:30 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] POE Can someone explain why a school would want to pay $1900@ for 25 48- port 10/100/1000 switches with PoE capability for a possible future need versus $500-600 for a plain 48-port 10/100/1000 switch? No one that I can find has a reason except maybe it would be needed in 5 years. Second question, replacing 48 24-port 10/100 switches with the above 48-port ones, can anyone explain why it should cost almost $50,000? I cannot imagine how it would take even 2 days to do, let alone any tests that would be so elaborate and/or expensive. [My geek son and a few of his friends thought it would take them a day at $100@ plus lunch and extra Diet Dr Pepper] Thanks! Walter Walter W. Stumpf Jr. Xanadu Group Inc. 179 Statesville Quarry Road Lafayette NJ 07848-3128 USA 973-702-3899 fax 775-667-1995 **Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut000507) --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ **Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut000507) --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.4.5/1537 - Release Date: 7/6/2008 5:26 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Board of Directors, Tell us about your Networks
On Sun, Jul 6, 2008 at 2:14 PM, John McDowell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd like to know how each and everyone of the Board of Directors runs his/her network: Routers? Imagestream Core and Mikrotik Edge - Star OS routing for 2.4 APs Billing Software? Emerald VoIP? Noe yet. Evaluating options. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
