With all the talk of Netflix and other bandwidth-intensive streaming
applications that are on the horizon, has anyone here looked into
peering with any of the major CDNs to reduce transit costs? I seem to
remember hearing that Akamai would colo a box within an ISP's network at
no cost to the
We have Akamai, they look at your AS and determine the amount of
request. You probably need to draw 20 meg/s from their network before
qualifying, they do provide machines to co-locate within your network,
you just have to supply a /29 network. Limelight will not do this, they
only will do a
I think customer satisfaction has less to do with the equipment used for the
last mile than how the ISP manages the network and customers. The reason
Canopy and Alvarion probably have the reputation they do is because if a
WISP is going to spend a lot of the last mile portion of the connection,
This got started because I made a comment that Mot claims about half the
market and that claim was doubted.
It doesn't matter, just something fun.
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From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 12:13 AM
We peer with every major content network. Most have open peering
policies that require little to get a peering relationship. Some
require specific amounts of traffic and/or multiple geographically
diverse connections.
Before you get your hopes up though I will warn you that connecting to
Got it. So what are the medium to good ones to watch for?
I used to really like AMD but I'm hearing that they suck. At least that's
what one thought over on the isp-ceo list.
We used to tell people to get Gateway systems. Then we went Micron, then
Micro Flex, now Dell. Once in a while I'd
I still believe that WiFi based product is at least 50% of the wisp
business. This informal survey seems to show that that's a close estimate.
What I still don't know and really wish I did is just how many wisp
customers are there really out there. Even more importantly, how many homes
For myself I have always done the same select brands for my parts. The PC I
built 8 years ago has run nearly every hour of every day since it was built
and continues to work today.
As far as a business is concerned we offload all of the PC repair type of
business to another company, making it
I'm just sales and Business development person in fairly large WISP.
We junked Motorola radio couple years because of customer demands and
Motorola could not produce bandwidth needed for demand.
We currently are using Tranzeo for backhaul and for some CPE installations.
We have started using
This web site is your friend: www.peeringdb.com
A short while ago I was talking about peering and upstream selection on this
list.
I doubt there's much of putting boxes somewhere due to the massive amounts
of content now required to be on that box.
There's obviously a lot in Ashburn, but
I think the FIX is in...
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From: Jeff Broadwick [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 8:37 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Massive Fraud - Ballot Boxes Stuffed! ;-
Paging Mayor Daley!
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https://www.peeringdb.com/private/participant_view.php?id=4
It doesn't appear as if there are any exchanges in Michigan, you'd have to
go to OH or Chicago to peer with anyone.
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
Matt does have a little bigger network than a lot of us.
;-)
https://www.peeringdb.com/private/participant_view.php?id=724
How'd you get the Microsoft peer and what all sits on that? I know their
XBox downloads are on Limelight, but perhaps their others are on their own
AS.
-
Mike
NetFlix made their Tivo announcement early this morning:
LIGHTS, CAMERA, ACTION! MOVIES AND TV EPISODES FROM NETFLIX DIRECTLY TO THE
TV THROUGH TIVO DVRs AVAILABLE TODAY
Just in Time for the Holidays, Offering Brings Budget Conscious
Entertainment to Consumers
ALVISO, Calif. - December 8, 2008
I build my own machines with mainly AMD processors (there's nothing wrong
with them, they just haven't been as fast as Intel for a round or two. AMD
processors are less expensive and use a lot less power.) Asus motherboards
and video cards based on NVidia chipsets (ATI makes horrible drivers),
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/12/05/richard_bennett_bittorrent_udp/
³The next official release of the uTorrent client currently in alpha test
replaces TCP with a custom-built transport protocol called uTP, layered
over the same UDP protocol used by VoIP and gaming. According to BitTorrent
Something like this has been brought up many times over many lists for many
years, but never gets anywhere.
Something like this is nice, but probably difficult to accomplish given the
diverse carrier portfolio. ATT may be your own choice in a rural area, but
in another area, someone's fiber
Same brands here - except Lite-On drives (though I haven't needed an optical
drive in years...)
Also, Antec PSU with those cases...
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it,
Microsoft is pretty open to peering. Additionally, they participate in
Any2Easy (http://www.crgwest.com/Any2Exchange/any2easy.html), which is
a multi-lateral peering service at CRG West facilities. If you don't
have a lot of traffic multi-lateral peering is a must as it will get
you
The big problem here is not the streaming. Its the offering of HD movies
for streaming.
There are going to be a lot of disapointed people when they learn there
crhitmas gift can deliver them the same quality HD that they are used to,
because oversubscription rates on their Broadband
*nods* I've looked at the Any2 Exchange here in Chicago. Unfortunately
they only have like 3 participants.
Despite their lower participant numbers, I'm looking to join non-Equinix
exchanges here in Chicago (Any2 and ChicagoIX).
The place I get colo, etc. from in 350 E. Cermak offers a free
Paul,
Excellent point.
Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 9:25 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fw: [Motorola II] 60%
On Dec 8, 2008, at 11:16 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:
*nods* I've looked at the Any2 Exchange here in Chicago.
Unfortunately
they only have like 3 participants.
Despite their lower participant numbers, I'm looking to join non-
Equinix
exchanges here in Chicago (Any2 and ChicagoIX).
We
If you use USPS for international shipping you better insure it and be
prepared to wait 1yr+ for the claim when they loose it.
Jim
Mike Hammett wrote:
Due to some advise, I've figured out a way to ship internationally. I will
now ship via USPS internationally. I'll have to quote that
I use AMD because they seem to be power efficient more often. Power is
relatively expensive here ($0.15/kwh), so it's a business issue rather
than tree hugging penance.
We've got a mix of old athlons, amd64/opterons, X2's, and now x4 phenoms
for servers. We tend to build them ourselves and
I built some machines, AMD 5000+ Black Editions, 4 gig RAM, Vista, 500
gig SATAs, DVD drives, nice cases, HD 3500 512meg PCI-E Video Carts and
DUAL DVI 22inch LCDs. So far, I don't wait for them! Was inexpensive
for the box too.
--
* Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+,
Think the author had it right the first time.
Steve Barnes
RCWiFi Wireless Internet Service
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Drew Lentz
Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 10:55 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] BitTorrent to go UDP
There's a big difference between what SurfSpeed measures and what a regular
bandwidth test measures.
A regular bandwidth test measures the peak at which your connection can do
over a large file. SurfSpeed measures the time it takes for you to fetch
each page and all of the elements on that
To me this is the scary part:
The overall picture suggests that uTP has a serious flaw. If it simply
relies on latency measurements to find preferred paths, it¹s likely to favor
paths where it¹s successfully circumventing management. When a path is
managed to give UDP priority over TCP (as is
I see the Atom proc PCs being great for Field Tech laptops. Its amazing to
have a small 8 screen and 1 lb laptop option under $300. (Acer).
We use AMD without hesitation for our Desktop PCs. Get more speed per Ghz
with AMD.
However, we stuck with Intel in Field routers. If fans die and such,
Redline 286 0.334058
Alvarion 4027 4.70367
Ubiquity 1728 2.018361
Canopy 38583 45.06623
Other 7816 9.129348
Trango 11252 13.14271
Tranzeo 10029 11.71421
MT 11893 13.89142
Total 85614 100
Responses 85
JAB?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 1:57 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [WISPA] Where is JAB when we need them
Redline 286 0.334058
Alvarion 4027
If your lucky. Could also take 6mo before they decided they did loose it then
another year before they send the check.
If the package arrives but open just home that foreign postal office at some
point weighed the package or else you are SOL.
/Eje
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
Big question is though, the guys using Redline Alvarion, is their monthly
ARPU much higher than the Canopy/Others?
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From: Chuck McCown [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: wireless@wispa.org
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 1:56 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Where is
Big question is though, the guys using Redline Alvarion, is their monthly
ARPU much higher than the Canopy/Others?
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From: Chuck McCown [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: wireless@wispa.org
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 1:56 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Where is
Probably the largest WISP in the US. Mostly Canopy based.
We don't have their numbers in the survey.
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From: Jeff Broadwick [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 12:02 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Where is JAB when we
USPS is horrible for shipping products. Cheaper, but horrible.
Internationally, insurance limits vary by country.I had to ship
gear to the middle east, and they wouldn't let me insure over $50.
It's bad enough when they lose your christmas cards.
--
Matt Westervelt
Metrix Communication
Funny, I just got an e-mail from...
Lisa M Lambert
Altius Communications
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Her company sells Purcell Cabinets.
-Chad
On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 9:45 PM, 3-dB Networks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thanks Marlon
Daniel White
3-dB Networks
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From: [EMAIL
Anyone know what band ATT uses for cell service? I have a client that
needs cell amplifiers put in a 100,000 sqft warehouse they just changed
from Nextel to ATT.
Thanks
__
Patrick Nix, Jr.,
csweb.net
(918) 235-0414
http://www.csweb.net
Ditto! -RickG
On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 10:53 AM, Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I build my own machines with mainly AMD processors (there's nothing wrong
with them, they just haven't been as fast as Intel for a round or two. AMD
processors are less expensive and use a lot less power.)
They use both 800 cell band and 1900 PCS band. Need band specific amps
made for this. Hutton has a group that specializes in these.
MIKE
Sent from my iPhone
Mike Brownson
Hutton Comm
303-373-3170
On Dec 8, 2008, at 2:58 PM, Patrick Nix Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Anyone know what band
When you call ATT for the required authorization per the
FCC, you can get what band they are using in that part of the
world. Different parts of the country ATT has to use
different bands.
Don't take your organs to heaven,
heaven knows we need them down here!
Be an organ donor, sign your
I've been involved with several WISP's over the past decade. The first
we used Hybrid (MMDS), second was Alvarion, third was Alvarion, fourth
was Trango. Each time, the equipment costs killed the budget and we
were always in the red. This time I'm using StarOS/WRAP for AP's and
Tranzeo for CPE.
1900 850 I believe.
-d
On 12/8/08 3:55 PM, Patrick Nix Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Anyone know what band ATT uses for cell service? I have a client that
needs cell amplifiers put in a 100,000 sqft warehouse they just changed
from Nextel to ATT.
Thanks
I have to state this again.
The network is currently using Trango's p2mp gear. We are replacing
it with Mikrotik.
Trango's official list price (since it dropped, as of two weeks ago)
is around 700 or 800 a piece. With a fancy Arc antenna/enclosures it
ends up being 220 per CPE.
With 7 mile
There has been a lot of talk about cabinets.
If someone had a really good deal on them, and was
willing to give a discount to the people on the list,
would it be acceptable to post it here?
Don't take your organs to heaven,
heaven knows we need them down here!
Be an organ donor, sign your
I didn't want to use USPS, but I had a lot of pressure from international
buyers and a friend told me that USPS is cheap and hassle free international
shipping. I once paid a lot and went through a lot of crap to mail truck
rims via UPS to Canada.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing
I would assume as much. There's nothing like paying $1500 for a CPE on a
$35/month account.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
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From: Doug Ratcliffe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 1:21
http://www.primecellular.comfor cell repeaters or
http://www.alternativewireless.com/cellular-antennas/cell_phone_power_booste
rs.html
Chuck Profito
209-988-7388
CV-ACCESS, INC
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Providing High Speed Broadband
to Rural Central California
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Hey if you're getting 100% profit you get your money back in 43 months...
On 12/8/08, Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I would assume as much. There's nothing like paying $1500 for a CPE on a
$35/month account.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
I had to fill out one page information to ship something to Canada via UPS
On 12/8/08, Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I didn't want to use USPS, but I had a lot of pressure from international
buyers and a friend told me that USPS is cheap and hassle free international
shipping. I once
Brand # Subs % By Subs
Redline 286 0.30%
Alvarion 4027 4.24%
Ubiquity 1778 1.87%
Canopy 41617 43.85%
Other 8316 8.76%
Trango 11352 11.96%
Tranzeo 12779 13.47%
MT 14746 15.54%
Total 94901 100.00%
Responses 93
I am needing to increase capacity at one of my sites. I already have 2
900APs and will need one more. The original setup covered about 180
degrees with 2 90 deg panels. I would like the third AP to overlap
with the existing APs. the frequencies are not overlapping (906,915,
and 924).
Is there
On Mon, 2008-12-08 at 12:03 -0600, Drew Lentz wrote:
Another solution would be for traffic shapers to look inside the UDP
payload in order to differentiate VoIP from uTP, but this approach is
frustrated by the protocol obfuscation option that remains a live feature in
BitTorrent over uTP.
It's a good thing I didn't get into being a voip provider. Shouldn't I
be able to block it all now?
Butch Evans wrote:
On Mon, 2008-12-08 at 12:03 -0600, Drew Lentz wrote:
" Another solution would be for traffic shapers to look inside the UDP
payload in order to differentiate
On Mon, 2008-12-08 at 21:35 -0500, Tom DeReggi wrote:
I don't have a problem with you finding a reason or jsutification to use
Mikrotik. Mikrotik has a powerful unique product to save WISPs money.
However, I have a problem with your FUD misrepresenting facts. They are not
even close to
I have a problem with your FUD misrepresenting facts.
*What facts am I misrepresenting?*
They are not even close to accurate. You can't fairly compare apples to
oranges either.
*Did you not just state my information was factual? How can facts not be
accurate? How could you possibly argue
Interesting to note that by these numbers there is an average of just over
1000 subscribers per WISP.
Thank You,
Brian Webster
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 3
Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 8:37 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org;
I can guess that many of the other are StarOS as Matt Larsen used, it should
have been included as MFG. I know of many WISP using it. If that number gets
large enough, it would be interesting to know what the makeup of it is.
Scottie
-- Original Message
While I have no experience with StarOS I hear it mentioned quite a bit. I
agree it should have been listed, too. Is it possible that none of the
~1000 sub WISPs use it?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
Those who don't understand
http://www.wilsonelectronics.com/ I have used their equipment with some
success, but never a building that big...someone else may make certified
equipment that may work.
Scottie
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From: Drew Lentz [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: WISPA
I put myself in as being Tranzeo based, as that is the heavy majority of
my CPE radios, although I have a fair amount of Ubiquiti, Telex,
HighGain and a smattering of Mikrotik CPE as well. Chuck started the
survey, and as a Canopy user he is more used to the idea of everything
coming from
I myself hate the thought of real time streaming! My thoughts have been since
Netflix has released their streaming that something should have been done. No
matter how much bandwidth you have that it all will be taken by streaming at
sometime.
This could be good for us as I have said they need
As I have said I have no experience with StarOS.
I wish I had learned of this when I was first starting as I may have much of
it in use now but I still may start using it if I ever dive into it.
With the list of very impressive things you have seen and accomplished with
it I can't help but ask
PC Magazine responded to my email! You can read my email to them and their
respnse below.
Scriv
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From: Kaplan, Jeremy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 12:33 PM
Subject: RE: WISP Broadband
To: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Thanks for the info.
Both of the guys below are ok for your home or small business but can't
handle 100,000 sq ft warehouse. That calls for manufacturers like Dekolink,
CSI, Andrew, Mobile Access and such. With the higher gain systems to fill
such a large space you can't just amp the whole spectrum or you create a
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