[WISPA] Nice article about the map - Thought you had no alternatives for broadband?

2009-02-05 Thread Brian Webster
http://bennett.com/blog/2009/02/thought-you-had-no-alternatives-for-broadban d/ Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/

Re: [WISPA] Nice article about the map - Thought you had noalternatives for broadband?

2009-02-05 Thread Jeff Broadwick
Brett has been getting around... Jeff -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brian Webster Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 7:31 AM To: Motorola Canopy List; WISPA List; memb...@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Nice article about

Re: [WISPA] National WISP Map Graphic - Over half amillionsquaremiles covered!

2009-02-05 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
anyone have stats on what the cableco and telco cover with high speed access? Brian Jason wrote: For what it's worth (and maybe someone's already said this, but), the US is 3,794,066 sq miles in size (wikipedia) which means the current coverage is 19.767%! That's significant. Jason

Re: [WISPA] National WISP Map Graphic - Over half amillionsquaremiles covered!

2009-02-05 Thread Brian Webster
No, but I did offer one of the FCC lawyers my services to show all the Form 477 data on a map like this for their own internal use and to show congress where the broadband is for every technology. haven't heard back on that one yet. I guess an all volunteer project like this embarrasses those

Re: [WISPA] National WISP Map Graphic - Over half amillionsquaremiles covered!

2009-02-05 Thread Joe Miller
Brian, It is not difficult to embarrass those type of people. And what do they have to show for all of those millions already spent? I've been disappointed for a long time with the way the government spends our money, thinking they know how to do it better than us. Shame on them. Our hard

Re: [WISPA] National WISP Map Graphic - Over half amillionsquaremiles covered!

2009-02-05 Thread Steve Barnes
Brian, I just want to again that you for your efforts. I hope to be in a position one day to hire you to do all our maps. Since that time has yet to come, Thank you for what you are doing for our industry. I also want to thank Matt Larsen for helping start this as well. Good guys making our

[WISPA] ISP-Planet Press Release

2009-02-05 Thread Rick Harnish
http://www.isp-planet.com/fixed_wireless/news/2009/wispa+bsa.html WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA

Re: [WISPA] ISP-Planet Press Release

2009-02-05 Thread John McDowell
awesome On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 8:54 AM, Rick Harnish rharn...@onlyinternet.netwrote: http://www.isp-planet.com/fixed_wireless/news/2009/wispa+bsa.html WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/

[WISPA] Lobbying Donations, list of vendors donating?

2009-02-05 Thread John McDowell
Rick et al, is there a list of vendors who have donated to the lobbying efforts? I would think vendors would be particularly interested in our efforts. Perhaps some of the bigger vendors out there could match WISP operator donations? Regards, -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307

Re: [WISPA] Nice article about the map - Thought you hadnoalternatives for broadband?

2009-02-05 Thread Mike Hammett
Yeah, I was blessed with reading some of his drivel on DSL Reports. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Jeff Broadwick jeffl...@comcast.net Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 6:36 AM To:

[WISPA] Coverage area of the competition

2009-02-05 Thread Mike Hammett
How can we get what the coverage area is of the telcos, cablecos, and cell phones? I'm not necessarily referring to homes passed, but on a CO, headend, or tower level. I know I've seen references to GIS data for COs. Cell phone towers should be publically accessible somewhere in ULS. With

Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Lobbying Donations, list of vendors donating?

2009-02-05 Thread Rick Harnish
This far NetSapiens pledge of $250 is the only one that has come from a Vendor Member that I know of. From: members-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:members-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of John McDowell Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 10:13 AM To: memb...@wispa.org; WISPA General List; Motorola

Re: [WISPA] Hose Clamps

2009-02-05 Thread John Valenti
Someone on StarOS forums suggested Enco. I haven't tried them yet, but their catalog is loaded with goodies. Looks like these might be 95 cents... http://www.use-enco.com/CGI//INLMK32?PARTPG=INSRAR2 On Feb 4, 2009, at 4:08 PM, Brian Rohrbacher wrote: Looking for a good source, good deal for

Re: [WISPA] Coverage area of the competition

2009-02-05 Thread jp
The Cable companies do CAD/GIS drawings prior to rebuilds and construction so the subcontractors know what goes where and to obtain pole access and make ready work. I'm sure these drawings are not publicly accessible, and they'd probably not want to share them. Some phone companies have

Re: [WISPA] Coverage area of the competition

2009-02-05 Thread Brian Webster
I could generate the actual deployed cable footprint around the US and can come pretty close to the DSL footprint as well. The data is not readily available and it is labor intensive to create. To purchase the information on the Telco side is probably about $1,500 to $3,000 per state and as far as

Re: [WISPA] Coverage area of the competition

2009-02-05 Thread jp
Telcodata.us is a source for CO information. On Thu, Feb 05, 2009 at 12:00:54PM -0600, Mike Hammett wrote: I was thinking NANPA or someone like that would have the telco maps. I'm not necessarily talking about what's in DSL reach, but what's the information for their CO. I have attached

Re: [WISPA] Coverage area of the competition

2009-02-05 Thread Mike Hammett
Well right, but it won't give lat\long for the boundaries of the CO coverage. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: jp j...@saucer.midcoast.com Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 12:48 PM To: WISPA

Re: [WISPA] National Map Update - 743,456 square miles!!!!!

2009-02-05 Thread David Hulsebus
I know of a few WISP's in my area that will probably not send in any data. I know their coverage areas because I've mapped it. Should we also send that data. Dave Brian Webster wrote: Today I received an update from Matt and the WISP directory and I continue to receive updates from many

Re: [WISPA] National Map Update - 743,456 square miles!!!!!

2009-02-05 Thread Brian Webster
Yes please send that data as well. I have had quite a few others draw out their state coverage by looking at other WISP's web sites and creating those coverage polygons in Google Earth. If you could name each polygon with the proper WISP name that helps me keep things organized. Thank You,

Re: [WISPA] Coverage area of the competition

2009-02-05 Thread Chuck Bartosch
On Feb 5, 2009, at 12:41 PM, jp wrote: The Cable companies do CAD/GIS drawings prior to rebuilds and construction so the subcontractors know what goes where and to obtain pole access and make ready work. I'm sure these drawings are not publicly accessible, and they'd probably not want to

Re: [WISPA] Coverage area of the competition

2009-02-05 Thread Chuck Bartosch
On Feb 5, 2009, at 1:45 PM, Brian Webster wrote: I could generate the actual deployed cable footprint around the US and can come pretty close to the DSL footprint as well. The data is not readily available and it is labor intensive to create. To purchase the information on the Telco

Re: [WISPA] Coverage area of the competition

2009-02-05 Thread Brian Webster
Correct but then it still has to be converted from a paper map to a GIS readable format and someone has to go around to all the communities and gather that information :-) We're having a hard enough time getting the WISP footprints. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com

Re: [WISPA] National Map update for today - 837, 341 Square miles covered

2009-02-05 Thread Joe Miller
Brian, Is there a way to put the covered square miles on the map? --- On Thu, 2/5/09, Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com wrote: From: Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com Subject: [WISPA] National Map update for today - 837, 341 Square miles covered To: WISPA List

Re: [WISPA] National Map update for today - 837, 341 Square miles covered

2009-02-05 Thread Brian Webster
I'll see what I can do, I tried when I added the update text and ran in to problems. Tomorrows version should have it. Thank You, Brian Webster www.wirelessmapping.com http://www.wirelessmapping.com -Original Message- From: Joe Miller [mailto:joemiller...@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday,

Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] National Map update for today - 837, 341 Square miles covered

2009-02-05 Thread Josh Luthman
Hit f1 to confirm the not from cache reload key is (some is shift f1 others are control f1). Differs between Windows/Linux IE/Opera/Firefox/Chrome Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to

Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] National Map update for today - 837, 341 Square miles covered

2009-02-05 Thread Josh Luthman
My mistake!!! Hit f1 to confirm the not from cache reload key is (some is shift f1 others are control f1). Differs between Windows/Linux IE/Opera/Firefox/Chrome Should read Hit f1 to confirm the not from cache reload key is (some is *shift f5 *others are *control f5*). Differs between

[WISPA] Point to point links, NLOS

2009-02-05 Thread Josh Luthman
To my knowledge, the only thing that can be used for NLOS is 900 MHz. I would like to link my house and the tower on the top of the office. Can this only be done in 900 MHz? I would really like to get more then 3 megs home! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St

Re: [WISPA] Point to point links, NLOS

2009-02-05 Thread Travis Johnson
Hi, We are doing some pretty amazing NLOS shots using Mikrotik and OFDM. How far is the link? What is in the way? Trees? Buildings? Travis Microserv Josh Luthman wrote: To my knowledge, the only thing that can be used for NLOS is 900 MHz. I would like to link my house and the tower on the

Re: [WISPA] Point to point links, NLOS

2009-02-05 Thread Josh Luthman
Just a scratch under 3 miles (2.97 with the distance tool). As always in my area - damned trees. There a good 2 or 3 tree lines to the tower (lines, not forests).

Re: [WISPA] Point to point links, NLOS

2009-02-05 Thread George Rogato
I do a lot of 2.4 through trees. Not a forest of trees, but tree blockage just the same. Easily 3 or 4 megs. Like Travis says OFDM is amazing. How far is your path and how much tree blockage do you have? Josh Luthman wrote: To my knowledge, the only thing that can be used for NLOS is 900 MHz.

Re: [WISPA] Point to point links, NLOS

2009-02-05 Thread Josh Luthman
George, I think you emailed just after I sent my last message - do you see my response to Travis? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Thu, Feb

[WISPA] Mapping Effort. If you can't donate $$, donate time

2009-02-05 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
I just spent three hrs mapping all of Michigan. I went to wispdirectory.com and visited the website of all 37 Michigan wisps. At each website I looked for a list of cities covered or a coverage map. I then put that info in google earth. If they had a coverage map with blobs, I would use

Re: [WISPA] Mapping Effort. If you can't donate $$, donate time

2009-02-05 Thread Josh Luthman
Brian, We have manually done a coverage map on Google here - http://inxwireless.com/coverage Also, I am working to get you the data you need to do a real RF map! Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are

Re: [WISPA] Point to point links, NLOS

2009-02-05 Thread Travis Johnson
Hi, Do you have any 2.4ghz spectrum available? With Mikrotik, assuming you can get a good link, even 5mhz of spectrum will deliver 7Mbps. If you have 10mhz available, you can do 15Mbps. I think I even have a couple 2.4ghz Mikrotik radios that I would be willing to configure and sell to you

Re: [WISPA] Point to point links, NLOS

2009-02-05 Thread Josh Luthman
I'm willing to try that, sure! Let me contact you off list. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 9:53 PM, Travis Johnson

Re: [WISPA] Point to point links, NLOS

2009-02-05 Thread George Rogato
Yeah I just caught it. You should take Travis up on his offer. It's a good deal. When I first started out, I did a lot of prejudging, it didn't take long to figure out to just try it and see what you get. I'm always surprised at some of the near los stuff that today we do regularly, that didn't

Re: [WISPA] Point to point links, NLOS

2009-02-05 Thread Josh Luthman
I would if it was the summer but every day this week it hasn't been able to hit 20F, gloomy and even the bit of wind bites hard. For some tree penetrations, I've found that rather than blast a high powered card with a very narrow beamwidth, to use a semi narrow beamwidth. The times I tried say a

Re: [WISPA] Point to point links, NLOS

2009-02-05 Thread os10rules
On Feb 5, 2009, at 10:53 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Isn't this controlled by the frequency like 900, 2.4, 5.8? I wasn't aware that a higher gain antenna would widen the beam. The higher gain is achieved by focusing the power into a smaller area. Greg

Re: [WISPA] Point to point links, NLOS

2009-02-05 Thread Eje Gustafsson
Yes sometimes you can be surprised what you can get. I have a superrootenna as we joke about it installed. It's a 14dB semi line of sight When we installed it we wanted to see if we could maybe get a little stronger signal and swapped it for a 19dB roo and lo and behold got worse signal. We

Re: [WISPA] Point to point links, NLOS

2009-02-05 Thread Phil Curnutt
Raise your antenna. The fresnel at 2.9 miles is around 30 odd feet. Your trees are probably not that tall, so get above them. Phil On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 8:40 PM, os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: On Feb 5, 2009, at 10:53 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Isn't this controlled by the frequency like 900,

Re: [WISPA] Mapping Effort. If you can't donate $$, donate time

2009-02-05 Thread Josh Luthman
We will have to plan something! I nearby earlier this winter to take down a link in Ansonia (point to point). Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer

Re: [WISPA] Point to point links, NLOS

2009-02-05 Thread George Rogato
Eje Gustafsson wrote: Yes sometimes you can be surprised what you can get. I have a superrootenna as we joke about it installed. It's a 14dB semi line of sight You would be surprised at how many superrootena ap's I have. I buy lmr 240 and the little connectors and remote them off 4 port

Re: [WISPA] Point to point links, NLOS

2009-02-05 Thread Josh Luthman
Thank you very much for the information and story! Great great tips to know. Wouldn't using horizontal polarity rule out any problems of the fresnel zone getting cut in half vertically? Would it be better for the bottom half to be blocked by trees or both sides if hpol? My two story house

Re: [WISPA] Mapping Effort. If you can't donate $$, donate time

2009-02-05 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
Hello Brian, Thank you for your efforts to help us with the mapping and taking the time to make sure that all of the WISPs in Michigan have their coverage areas listed on the WirelessMapping map. I would encourage you (if you have another couple of hours to spend) to send me the list of zip

Re: [WISPA] Mapping Effort. If you can't donate $$, donate time

2009-02-05 Thread Matt Larsen - Lists
Quick Note: To submit the zip codes, use the contact us form at the WISP Directory site and put the name of the provider in the subject line and the zip codes (separated by spaces, no commas) in the Message field. Or you can send the information directly to my email address below. Thanks!

[WISPA] 3.65ghz sector

2009-02-05 Thread Travis Johnson
Hi, Any suggestions for a 3.65ghz sector? Need 60-90 degrees and something affordable. Travis Microserv WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/

[WISPA] Sysadmin help

2009-02-05 Thread Travis Johnson
Hi, Just wanted to share some helpful information. We had a web server having some performance issues. I had spent a few hours looking over everything and could never find anything that could be causing the problem. I then posted a message on the list and got an off-list reply from Michael

Re: [WISPA] Hose Clamps

2009-02-05 Thread Wallace Walcher
I usually buy mine on Ebay. I purchased a bunch of #24 sizes recently. They work well for 1-2 inch poles. On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 11:09 AM, John Valenti vale...@lir.msu.edu wrote: Someone on StarOS forums suggested Enco. I haven't tried them yet, but their catalog is loaded with goodies.