Yesterday there was a broadband stimulus seminar in Columbus, OH featuring
Senator Sherrod Brown, ConnectOhio.org, USDA Rural Development. I went with
an open mind and left not wanting anything to do with this free money to
be had.
The government is trying to get as much control out of the
I hear ya brother! We were at the same seminar and left when it was clear
that we didn't want any part of this. We decided to just keep doing what
we're doing and they can stay out of it. We're doing just fine without
them.
Bob-
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
I think you're definitely right here.
Andy Trimmell
PDSWireless
Quick and Simple Internet Access
Mooresville, Indiana
877-4-PDSNET ext 211
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 8:58
Ladies and Gentlemen. This is my take on ARRA as well. I have no desire to
have a new partner like big brother. However, I would like to add that there
are some larger WISP's who are members of WISPA who already receive federal and
state grant funding that have learned to deal with this kind
Robert West wrote:
Why should [big companies] invest
their cash in building a market when we can do it for them and once it's
about ripe, they can just walk in and pick it? We need to do what we can to
protect our little piece of the pie somehow.
A small entrepreneur sees an opportunity,
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of David E. Smith
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 12:23 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] just attended broadband stimulus seminar and WOW.
Robert West wrote:
Why should [big
WISPs might seriously want to consider
forming cooperatives in which a group of WISPs within a geographic region
enter into a joint venture to expand overall capacity. Then that joint
venture can apply for stimulus money.
You could also save in upstream costs if you provided interconnects with
But I don't really envision ATT coming to me and cashing me out. What I
see is them upgrading their infrastructure and taking the market. They
already have presence in our areas with cellular. I don't see think they
will care one bit about most of us small time operators. If we had a much
I've thought the same thing. As a small operator, one can have a quicker
response to customer needs and be able to put a face to the company. We
need to use whatever edge we can to compete, identify their weaknesses as
well as ours and build these into our strengths. An organization such as
It is frustrating how the large corps control so much and the government looks
out for them. Like the 700Mhz band. Just think what you could do with a 10
watt 700Mhz band with 20 or 40 Mhz channels. But what happen Government sold
the band to the highest bidder and I bet less that 10% of the
And yet it's a fact that small businesses generate more jobs.
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Steve Barnes
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 1:39 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] just attended broadband
Just had to throw this in there so I could have a small voice in this =)
What bothers me is how everyone believes the big executives (owners,
operators and engineers of ATT, Motorola, Nabisco, etc) need paycuts. Most
if not all of these people work harder then many and they manage, support
and
We're currently looking for wireless companies in and around southern
Mississippi that would be interested in a partnership. I'm also
interested in hearing from anyone in west and south Alabama for a
potential project.
If this is you, or you know a WISP that is interested, please email or
call
Anyone have any dealings with them? Specifically MR58
Offlist if you prefer
Tnx
Bob
lakel...@gbcx.net
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Mike,
Very nice! I like the e-signature.
-RickG
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 1:37 AM, Scott Vander Dussensc...@velociter.net wrote:
Mike-
You can read ours at http://velociter.net/index2.html by clicking on the New
Subscriber link on the bottom. Personally, I think our agreement rocks (:
Lots
Go for it. -RickG
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 10:09 AM, Dennis Burgessdmburg...@linktechs.net wrote:
Rick,
You mind if I post this on the WIKI?
---
Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
WISPA Board Member - wispa.org
Link
Is the WISPA member Wiki running?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
improbable, must be the truth.
--- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 2:59 PM, RickG
Amen Frank! This is what I expected. For me, they can pry my radios
out of my cold, dead fingers! -RickG
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 8:51 AM, Kurt Fankhauserk...@wavelinc.com wrote:
Yesterday there was a broadband stimulus seminar in Columbus, OH featuring
Senator Sherrod Brown, ConnectOhio.org,
Who said the buyer had to be ATT? By the way, ATT bought Wayport, a wifi
company. It didn;t make sense for ATT to upgrade infrastruvcture and take
Wayport's market, when all they had to do is inject investment into the
engine and share in the profits. Allthoguh Wayport was more of a LAN than
How do you like echosign? Are you using the Enterprise account, or just
a Pro?
Randy
RickG wrote:
Mike,
Very nice! I like the e-signature.
-RickG
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 1:37 AM, Scott Vander Dussensc...@velociter.net
wrote:
Mike-
You can read ours at
Yes.. :)
---
Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
WISPA Board Member - wispa.org
Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services
WISPA Vendor Member
Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net
LIVE
ATT was just an example. I'm sure someone will be purchased but if
anything I see it as one company buying up and consolidating smaller
companies to make one big network. But even with that, I still see the
cellular companies trumping it all. They already have the basic
infrastructure, the
What you all seem to have forgotten. the big companies don't want
the stimulus money. It requires them to open themselves up to the SAME
level of INSANE TRANSPARENCY that any other grant applicant would have.
They reject the money for the same exact reasons you all are.
Therefore
And/or the customer gets crapped on, when the small mom and pop gets taken
over by the large company who outsources support and, as someone already put
it, becomes faceless
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 10:22 AM, David E. Smith d...@mvn.net wrote:
Robert West wrote:
Why should [big companies]
But a lot of these companies are government regulated already and have to
abide by certain amounts of transparency due to various regulations and
agreements. Some have even gone TOO far in doing as they are told, i.e. the
911 wiretaps. Just an extreme example. But I know what you're saying. I
http://www.supermicro.com/products/system/1U/5015/SYS-5015A-H.cfm?typ=H
Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145
WISPA Wants You! Join
Robert West wrote:
But a lot of these companies are government regulated already and have to
abide by certain amounts of transparency due to various regulations and
agreements.
Sure. So do WISPS if I'm not mistaken. The e-mail that started this
thread mentioned the famous 477. :)
But I
Ballpark price? $200?
$120 PC + $20 NIC for a desktop one...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856167032
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
Not rackmountable, no pci-e slot, no expansion , no atom 330, msi grade
(cheap)
Supermicro makes great motherboards,
Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
The one thing that had initially scared me was large players moving into
wireless.
For example a Comcast or Verizon saying hey, OK we'll use PArt-15 spectrum
to, and apply for teh grants . But that doesn;t scare me anymore.
The reason is its to hard to make businesses work for unlicensed. It
It should be noted that
1) Middle mile projects dont have as difficult reporting requirements,
2) Accounting/Tracking systems to fullfill tracking requirements can be
included in grant proposal.
Accountiong for the data is hard only because we don;t have systems in palce
to account for it.
Google searches indicate $300.
if the RTL8111C-GR ethernet work well with routerOS, then it's a good
little system.
It'd also make a pretty nice little server if CPU needs aren't extreme,
you don't need 64bit, or virtualization. It's probably pretty easy on
the power bill.
On Tue, Jul 28,
Tom DeReggi wrote:
The one thing that had initially scared me was large players moving into
wireless.
They seem to be actively pursuing it. They provide a lot of hotspots at
places like starbucks and allow DSL users to connect for free. SBC has
been doing it for some time, and now Verizon
I am sure that MT will support the RT* chipsets - it is Linux after all.
From my experience Linux supports every NIC and better then Windows. Anyone
from the 3com 905a or b Win98 era?
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
When you have
Gino,
I'm not so sure about this if it is going in a rack, seems like
it might be worthwhile to get a higher performance CPU with more max
RAM ( VMware).
And for a box at the base of a tower, seems big and hungry (200W AC
power supply).
Could you compare it to:
Josh Luthman wrote:
I am sure that MT will support the RT* chipsets - it is Linux after all.
From my experience Linux supports every NIC and better then Windows. Anyone
from the 3com 905a or b Win98 era?
I had so succesfully blocked those memories until today.
Bad Josh! :)
If someone comes in and undercuts you, it's your fault for not protesting
their application.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
--
From: Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 7:51
I do apologize. Just realize Linux did not have this problem and
those cards are so abundant. Made me some serious bandwidth servers
for cheap at LAN parties...
On 7/28/09, Charles Wyble char...@thewybles.com wrote:
Josh Luthman wrote:
I am sure that MT will support the RT* chipsets - it is
Josh Luthman wrote:
I do apologize.
Haha. :)
Just realize Linux did not have this problem and
those cards are so abundant.
Oh I know. I'm well aware of that. :)
Linux is awesome. I absolutely love it.
Made me some serious bandwidth servers
for cheap at LAN parties...
Yes it
Josh,
You wouldn't need a NIC unless you want dual ethernet (comes with one
on motherboard).
But you do need to put in a stick of laptop memory and a boot device.
Maybe USB flash, IDECF or SATA DOM, because the CF slot is hard to
get at.
Oh, the one I have says 19V DC power brick, so I don't
There are WISP consolidation companies out there.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
--
From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 2:23 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Well the subject included POP router. Kind of difficult to route with one
interface =P
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
improbable, must be the truth.
--- Sir
VLAN
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 3:37 PM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote:
Well the subject included POP router. Kind of difficult to route with
one
interface =P
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
When you have
Quite right.
Especially on a tower. One wants as few ports and cables as possible. :)
Jayson Baker wrote:
VLAN
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 3:37 PM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote:
Well the subject included POP router. Kind of difficult to route with
one
interface =P
Josh
Right, depends on your application.
FFR Vlan is layer 2, routing is 3 :P
On 7/28/09, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote:
VLAN
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 3:37 PM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote:
Well the subject included POP router. Kind of difficult to route with
one
Well we are looking for a gig capable router - rackmountable
Sent from my Motorola Startac...
On Jul 28, 2009, at 5:21 PM, John Valenti vale...@lir.msu.edu wrote:
Gino,
I'm not so sure about this if it is going in a rack, seems like
it might be worthwhile to get a higher performance
Oh, Josh, just realized that MSI Wind computer has no PCI or PCIe
slots, nor ATA. Anything you add to it would have to go into USB,
SATA, CF slot or miniPCI express slot. So it would be harder to add a
second ethernet to this version.
If you want to route, it would either be USB ethernet
I could have sworn it did...but looking at it again it definitely does not.
I specifically remember looking for that too...
Ignore my initial post!
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
When you have eliminated the impossible, that which
Gino,
How many ports?
What have you found for PCIe ethernet? A quick look at Newegg for 4
ports only shows Intel, at $400. So the ethernet card costs more than
the server.
If you stick with PCI (other Atom motherboards) you can use the
cheaper Mikrotik 4port gigE (~$90). Total build cost
I've got one of the supermicro units. They are hard to get - lots of
demand. As soon as I get time I'll be putting RouterOS on it to test drive.
Randy
Josh Luthman wrote:
I could have sworn it did...but looking at it again it definitely does not.
I specifically remember looking for that
They seem to be actively pursuing it. They provide a lot of hotspots at
places like starbucks and allow DSL users to connect for free. SBC has
been doing it for some time, and now Verizon is as well.
Yeah, but it doesn't mean they'll realize its profitable to continue to
doing it.
OK, Let me
Randy-
We're just using the ghetto $10/mo. Pro account, it's great. We used to email
the docs to customers from within the Echosign portal which gave more control
over who can read them and it also let us know how long they had the link
before they e-signed, could send reminders and all that
Why not just use a routerboard in the first place they route at wire
speed these days
Scott Carullo
Brevard Wireless
(321) 205-1100 x102
On Jul 28, 2009, at 5:42 PM, Charles Wyble char...@thewybles.com
wrote:
Quite right.
Especially on a tower. One wants as few ports and cables as
Ros does not support atom
Scott Carullo
Brevard Wireless
(321) 205-1100 x102
On Jul 28, 2009, at 6:06 PM, John Valenti vale...@lir.msu.edu wrote:
Gino,
How many ports?
What have you found for PCIe ethernet? A quick look at Newegg for 4
ports only shows Intel, at $400. So the ethernet card
Supermicros get along great with ros
Scott Carullo
Brevard Wireless
(321) 205-1100 x102
On Jul 28, 2009, at 6:07 PM, Randy Cosby dco...@infowest.com wrote:
I've got one of the supermicro units. They are hard to get - lots of
demand. As soon as I get time I'll be putting RouterOS on it to
RB1000 is $700 - I have always viewed Routerboards as expendable. $700
seems too much for an expendable motherboard. You can buy a really nice
Intel Core Duo with loads more horsepower for the same price from
Butch/PoweRouter.
Don't get me wrong - Routerboards are great, but for something at
I wasn't suggesting a rb1000, what about a rb450g or 493ah?
Scott Carullo
Brevard Wireless
(321) 205-1100 x102
On Jul 28, 2009, at 6:47 PM, Josh Luthman
j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
RB1000 is $700 - I have always viewed Routerboards as expendable.
$700
seems too much for an
I use a 493ah for my tower sites, but all they do is bridge. The
config could be done in two seconds - new bridge, add all ports to the
bridge. I was thinking if someone is needing an Atom CPU they need
more horsepower.
I guess it really depends on what you expect out of the router...
On
Well, the 493ah can route 100mb no problem so unless you need to go
faster over a single radio link out it should be fine. Actually it
routes faster than it bridges I believe...
Scott Carullo
Brevard Wireless
(321) 205-1100 x102
On Jul 28, 2009, at 7:00 PM, Josh Luthman
But can't you still buy two RB1000's for the same price as the
PowerRouter?
Travis
Microserv
Josh Luthman wrote:
Well coming from the rb1000 I would suggest Butch/PoweRouter's x86 box. 7
gigabit Intel NICs, each on their own PCIe bus, room for a CF card and I
believe an ATA port.
The
Oh wow - the PoweRouter is $1400 now!!! Ouch! Not sure what Butch's router
costs...
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however
improbable, must be the truth.
--- Sir Arthur
Yes, but you don't get the expansion capabilities, no fiber options, no
extra Ethernet port options, and no hard drive options. J Not to
mention no USB ports.. the 1000 is a great product, just comes up
short on Ports sometimes.
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
Josh,
I would recommend that you go with something that is on Mikrotik's
Hardware Compatibly list. Here is the link:
http://wiki.mikrotik.com/wiki/Supported_Hardware#x86_Systems
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh
Has anyone had a 1000 hardware problem? Lightning excluded.
On 7/28/09, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net wrote:
Yes, but you don't get the expansion capabilities, no fiber options, no
extra Ethernet port options, and no hard drive options. J Not to
mention no USB ports.. the 1000 is
1st, we need gige ports to transfer above 300 mbps on our licensed backbone,
2nd we need enough cpu to handle mpls, 3rd we dont trust routerboards that much
... they are ok for or small towers, not for this
our experience is tha MK on x86 platforms give us 0 problems
Gino
VLANs and a VLAN aware switch. :-p
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
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From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 4:37 PM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
imho its overpriced
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org on behalf of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tue 7/28/2009 7:38 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nice unit for POP Router / Appliance
Well coming from the rb1000 I would suggest Butch/PoweRouter's x86 box.
we did
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org on behalf of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tue 7/28/2009 8:28 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nice unit for POP Router / Appliance
Has anyone had a 1000 hardware problem? Lightning excluded.
On 7/28/09, Dennis
funny thing .. we have several atoms mb running ros
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org on behalf of Scott Carullo
Sent: Tue 7/28/2009 6:34 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nice unit for POP Router / Appliance
Ros does not support atom
Scott
Vicki,
I'm in south MS. hit me off list.
joe dot miller at dslbyair dot com
www.dslbyair.com
- Original Message
From: Vickie Edwards vedwa...@inline.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 1:24:48 PM
Subject: [WISPA] speaking of partnerships...
You are correct sorry for misinformation. I must have been thinking
via instead or something
Scott Carullo
Brevard Wireless
(321) 205-1100 x102
On Jul 28, 2009, at 8:36 PM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote:
funny thing .. we have several atoms mb running ros
Ya that HCL doesn't cut it IMO. I don't mean offend but when it says
3.0+ works on the Powerouter I believe it should mean just that.
On mine I tried every version from 3.10 to 3.16 or so. Each of them
had problems except 13. Between queues not doing anything, full CPU
load, Winbox not
hcl?
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org on behalf of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tue 7/28/2009 9:19 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nice unit for POP Router / Appliance
Ya that HCL doesn't cut it IMO. I don't mean offend but when it says
3.0+ works on the
I believe this was in reference to the Mikrotik Hardware Compatibility
List
Scott Carullo
Brevard Wireless
321-205-1100 x102
Original Message
From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 9:30 PM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org, WISPA
Hcl is hardware compatibility list
On 7/28/09, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote:
hcl?
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org on behalf of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tue 7/28/2009 9:19 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nice unit for POP Router /
Got it
Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 9:42 PM
To: WISPA General
With that in
mind, WISP need to think of ways that they can tap the government money
without losing their local focus. WISPs might seriously want to consider
forming cooperatives in which a group of WISPs within a geographic region
enter into a joint venture to expand overall capacity. Then that
They will be posted, for 30 days, on the NTIA site during their due
diligence phase.
Any ISP that contests will have to provide the proof that they have a 40%
take rate.
Victoria Proffer
www.StLouisBroadband.com
314-974-5600
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
Is that 40% of homes passed or 40% of LOS?
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:40 AM, St. Louis
Broadbandli...@stlbroadband.com wrote:
They will be posted, for 30 days, on the NTIA site during their due
diligence phase.
Any ISP that contests will have to provide the proof that they have a 40%
take
Title: Thank You,
It's really 40% of the homes passed by the
applicants designated service area. Same rules apply for the percentage
of households who have access to broadband. The percentage is
calculated over the area designated by the applicant as their complete
project area. The only real
Take rate. Your LOS is irrelevant to this particular criteria.
Chuck
On Jul 29, 2009, at 12:46 AM, RickG wrote:
Is that 40% of homes passed or 40% of LOS?
On Wed, Jul 29, 2009 at 12:40 AM, St. Louis
Broadbandli...@stlbroadband.com wrote:
They will be posted, for 30 days, on the NTIA site
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