Re: [WISPA] powering finicky mikrotiks on 24v solar

I know why it was done, I just wish it wasn't that way. Bell Labs got it right the first time with the 48VDC POE system.  Independent of line length, 48V POE just works. I've solved my problem with a 48VDC to 24VDC 18W converter that I add when I build my tower gear.  Adds about $15 in parts

Re: [WISPA] cellular repeater/bidirectional amps

If you are using a repeater that is FCC approved then I don't see why the FCC would get involved...Cell phone repeaters are legal to use Scottie Arnett wrote: I maybe late to chime in, but when I asked about something similar, I heard a resounding problem with not communicating with the cel

Re: [WISPA] powering finicky mikrotiks on 24v solar

good idea, but not too power efficient. Steve wrote: I was not so happy either when I found out the newest line of MT boards didn't work on my already functioning 24vdc system. I have however been successful with a simple LM7818 regulator with a couple of tantalum caps and a good heatsink

Re: [WISPA] Long 5Ghz link over water

>I do have a TLink-45 pair sitting around (non connectorized) that I >could test. Is there a hack to put a pigtail on these? 23 miles is pushing the range of the internal antennas. If the enclosure is removed from the antenna, by undoing the 9 screws, it is possible to connect the Tlink to an ex

Re: [WISPA] BIP/BTOP = Big Government in Missouri

Ask them what is going to happen when someone "DIG's" in and that Fiber is cut. How long to take to repair it? It's not as simple as as soldering two points together. How long are those customers going to be down? It happens all the time. What if the city decides to put in a Subway where that fi

Re: [WISPA] cellular repeater/bidirectional amps

I maybe late to chime in, but when I asked about something similar, I heard a resounding problem with not communicating with the cell provider beforehand. It seems that if you put a high-end(not a small one like you and I have) repeater in before talking to the cell provider, you MAY be talking

Re: [WISPA] Chimney Ratchet Mount

If I am thinking about the same thing you mention, try satellite accessory distributors. DSI, Skywalker, and Dow Electronics are just a few that come to mind. Scottie -- Original Message -- From: "can...@believewireless.net" Reply-To: can...@believewirel

[WISPA] More FCC news

I found this interesting. "The US Federal Communications Commission is considering a plan that would reclaim some precious airwaves from the country's television broadcasters and reinvent them as wireless broa

Re: [WISPA] Time Running Out for Trade Show Survey

Thanks for the comment but you are incorrect, there is a field for your comments on many of the questions, specifically the one you talked about. I took the survey, however it did not allow me to add in other comments. So: The biggest problem I have with most of these Trade shows is that its

Re: [WISPA] powering finicky mikrotiks on 24v solar

At Digikey or Mouser you should be able to find something similar but switching type that has a higher efficiency and current rating. I've used some modules for other voltages and they work great. Greg On 10/28/09 10:18 PM, Steve wrote: > I was not so happy either when I found out the newest li

[WISPA] 5.8 Omni

I need a 5.8 Omni to feed some smaller sites via WDS, looking for some recommendations was hoping for 16 db but can't seem to find any. Regards Michael Baird WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --

Re: [WISPA] Verizon fiber

John Vogel wrote: > I was told that I needed to be in the $30k/month range before the > long-haul provider I was talking to would consider giving me a port > here So close, but yet so far. > > John Note: I didn't ask, but I kind of assumed that meant a commit to 1GE @ $30/mbps... Do you supp

Re: [WISPA] Verizon fiber

Did I mention I'd have to run 30+ miles of fiber just to get to this pop they'd put in? -Kevin On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 9:14 PM, Nick Olsen wrote: > > At that rate you could run your own fiber, including license fees for the > poll's or underground. > > Nick Olsen > Brevard Wireless > (

Re: [WISPA] Verizon fiber

I was told that I needed to be in the $30k/month range before the long-haul provider I was talking to would consider giving me a port here So close, but yet so far. John Kevin Neal wrote: > I was recently quoted $300,000 to break into a long-haul fiber route > (not Verizon), that was to cove

Re: [WISPA] Verizon fiber

At that rate you could run your own fiber, including license fees for the poll's or underground. Nick Olsen Brevard Wireless (321) 205-1100 x106 From: "Kevin Neal" Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 11:12 PM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: R

Re: [WISPA] Verizon fiber

I was recently quoted $300,000 to break into a long-haul fiber route (not Verizon), that was to cover the bulk of the equipment costs to break in and then they could give me a good rate per megabyte. -Kevin On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 8:50 PM, John Valenti wrote: > I'm assuming this is hopeless, bu

Re: [WISPA] Time Running Out for Trade Show Survey

On Wed, 2009-10-28 at 22:08 -0400, Tom DeReggi wrote: > Not that I'm generally a fan to push MT or vendor specific content. I disagree with your assessment here. More on that below. > There are many venues to get quality MT content for example, I'd rather > WISPA push content that WISPs cant

Re: [WISPA] Network Testing Application Development

Dennis, On a side note I'd mention that someone on-list had already created a really neat one, a few years back. It might make sense to look at that first. I got a copy somewhere. I'll go look for it, after I finish my last hour of BTOP protests :-) . Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntA

[WISPA] Verizon fiber

I'm assuming this is hopeless, but somebody here can probably confirm: Verizon has fiber running down the dirt road that passes by a grain leg I'm using. (I'm told it was put in for 911 service to Bath, MI) Is it possible to have them tap into it and sell bulk bandwidth to me? For less t

Re: [WISPA] powering finicky mikrotiks on 24v solar

I was not so happy either when I found out the newest line of MT boards didn't work on my already functioning 24vdc system. I have however been successful with a simple LM7818 regulator with a couple of tantalum caps and a good heatsink to drop voltage from ~26v supply. They are 1 amp, and I am

Re: [WISPA] Long 5Ghz link over water

2009/10/28 Tom DeReggi : > Its relevent to disclose the radio OS type using. (You stated using a R5H a > Mikrotik card, but weren't clear if using Mikrotik OS). > The symptom you are explaining sounds similar to how some of my Mikrotik OS > units had responsed to noise. > Basically they kept droppi

Re: [WISPA] Time Running Out for Trade Show Survey

I'd like to see a real good MPLS intro training session. (although not easy to do in an hour). That might be a good session to be demonstrated on a Mikrotik, considering it is a unique feature Mikrotik is offering. Not that I'm generally a fan to push MT or vendor specific content. There are ma

Re: [WISPA] Time Running Out for Trade Show Survey

You mean like Image stream ? -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Jenkins Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 4:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Time Running Out for Trade Show Survey I took the survey, ho

Re: [WISPA] NAT issue with Hotmail/Yahoo/Google

AND we spells it gooad twooz! On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 5:39 PM, Tom DeReggi wrote: > Matt, > > I find it incredably interesting and clever that you have managed to > operate > your network on private IP addresses. > However, the problem you are running into now is one common reason others > have g

Re: [WISPA] Time Running Out for Trade Show Survey

I took the survey, however it did not allow me to add in other comments. So: The biggest problem I have with most of these Trade shows is that its a bunch of sales/marketing guys who have no actual idea how the product works and cannot answer in depth technical questions. I can get all of the s

Re: [WISPA] Long 5Ghz link over water

Its relevent to disclose the radio OS type using. (You stated using a R5H a Mikrotik card, but weren't clear if using Mikrotik OS). The symptom you are explaining sounds similar to how some of my Mikrotik OS units had responsed to noise. Basically they kept dropping speed until they disconnected.

Re: [WISPA] NAT issue with Hotmail/Yahoo/Google

NAT is unfortunately not very scalable but also never told is the amount of subs that are being natted and through how many ips. NAT _IS_ an issue. But comes down to business model. Do you spend the time for tech support and issues handling this on an ongoing basis or do you spend the money and buy

Re: [WISPA] NAT issue with Hotmail/Yahoo/Google

I agree and disagree with you. NAT is good and works well for most home users. I have issues with consoles and NAT, wherein I have many users who want to game together, and xbox doesn't let that happen nicely. I hand out 1 public to those who need it, more for those who want to pay. As for network

Re: [WISPA] NAT issue with Hotmail/Yahoo/Google

Matt, I find it incredably interesting and clever that you have managed to operate your network on private IP addresses. However, the problem you are running into now is one common reason others have given in to using public IP addresses. Having public IPs throughout your transport network is n

Re: [WISPA] powering finicky mikrotiks on 24v solar

That would mean increased cost on the units. People is more interested in price and MT products not capable of 48VDC and the sale of them caused such a dip in the 48V MT products that the 48VDC product line became too expensive to produce due to lack of quantity so choice was either increase price

Re: [WISPA] NAT issue with Hotmail/Yahoo/Google

Totally agree dude! Advantanges and disadvanges. Once you have a large routed network with privates, it sux to convert. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mik

[WISPA] [Fwd: Re: [Motorola II] NAT issue with Hotmail/Yahoo/Google]

--- Begin Message --- We changed our policy routing statements so that now 8 subnets at a time are going through a single IP address, and we added more IP addresses to the public interface of the NAT server. My lead tech says that this solved the problem. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Tim Sy

Re: [WISPA] NAT issue with Hotmail/Yahoo/Google

I believe that we have fixed this by using the StarOS policy routing to split up some of our subnets to SourceNAT through a different IP address on our NAT server. If we are going to get into the public vs. privates discussion, well I have used NAT for customer IP addresses from day 1. I

Re: [WISPA] NAT issue with Hotmail/Yahoo/Google

That is what I'm trying to do. Each sector has it's own public IP. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth." --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On

Re: [WISPA] NAT issue with Hotmail/Yahoo/Google

I run NAT, and my answer is to put each tower, or sector in cases where there is more than one radio on a tower, on it's own public NAT. That way I only have 20 or so users behind one IP It also makes it easier to track down DMCA take down  notices. Scott Reed wrote: So, as with so much

Re: [WISPA] NAT issue with Hotmail/Yahoo/Google

Matt, Based on an e-mail you sent last month, you have 1,700 subscribers behind a single IP address. That is excessive over-subscription of a single IP address. I am surprised that it even works. I suggest that you create a pool of IP addresses with many IP address - 50 to 200 IP addresses. I don'

Re: [WISPA] NAT issue with Hotmail/Yahoo/Google

I see the same issue. I'm on a satellite internet connection shared with about 10 people. The satellite carrier does their own NAT and we all appear as the same IP to the internet. The only fix for me is to turn on my VPN. It's not a NAT-failure or NAT mis-configuration issue, but it most

Re: [WISPA] powering finicky mikrotiks on 24v solar

I want MikroTik to go back to 48VDC! Randy Cosby wrote: http://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=36191&start=0 I'm pulling my hair out and wasting all kinds of money on voltage regulators to make sure my solar and dc-powered sites don't cause mikrotik routerboards to go into over-vo

Re: [WISPA] NAT issue with Hotmail/Yahoo/Google

oh sorry, that was on the moto list. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://w

Re: [WISPA] NAT issue with Hotmail/Yahoo/Google

You did'ent read my reply then.. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www

[WISPA] Time Running Out for Trade Show Survey

REMINDER TO PROVIDE INPUT WISPA is researching the possibility of putting on a Trade Show this spring. We put up a survey last week for you to answer basic questions as to what you would like to see in this show. As of Tuesday we had about 40 responses, far below the 300+ members and many mor

Re: [WISPA] NAT issue with Hotmail/Yahoo/Google

I believe Matt has around 5k subs, maybe I'm wrong. At 5k subs, his cost per year per IP address is $0.45. That's under $0.04/month. I'd consider that a reasonable expense. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com ---

Re: [WISPA] NAT issue with Hotmail/Yahoo/Google

It's a long term solution. Several short term solutions were also listed. You either buy public IPs or buy time dealing with NAT. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however

Re: [WISPA] NAT issue with Hotmail/Yahoo/Google

Ahhh, a real answer for Matt. Jason Hensley wrote: > Yep, we've seen this too. Ended up being a rogue user on the network that > we had to shutdown from sending spam. Fixed them and it cleared it up after > a little bit. > > We are moving all users to their own publics as well as we migrate > e

Re: [WISPA] NAT issue with Hotmail/Yahoo/Google

So, as with so much that goes on the lists, not just this one, "oh, you aren't doing it my way so the fix is do it my way." What a bunch of baloney!! There are lots of ways to do almost everything we do as ISPs. What really needs to happen is for people to read the post, think about what the

Re: [WISPA] NAT issue with Hotmail/Yahoo/Google

Well, since it is not a NAT issue, there is probably a better solution. sa...@jeffcosoho.com wrote: > Yep, > > I give up on chasing NAT issues. We just give everyone publics. > > Jim > > Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: > >> We are having a problem with certain sites that are rejecting our >> cust

Re: [WISPA] NAT issue with Hotmail/Yahoo/Google

Yep, we've seen this too. Ended up being a rogue user on the network that we had to shutdown from sending spam. Fixed them and it cleared it up after a little bit. We are moving all users to their own publics as well as we migrate everything to PPPoE. -Original Message- From: wirel

Re: [WISPA] powering finicky mikrotiks on 24v solar

Soldering iron. We just split the cat-5 appropriately, solder the wire on and wrap them up in electrical tape with a Cat-5 jack on one end and an RJ 45 on the other. This way we can just "plug-em-in" inside the enclosure when we get to the top of the tower. Cameron Randy Cosby wrote: > Looks n

Re: [WISPA] NAT issue with Hotmail/Yahoo/Google

Don't NAT all of your customers. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "Matt Larsen - Lists" Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 12:41 PM To: "WISPA General List" ; "Motorola Canopy User Group" Su

Re: [WISPA] NAT issue with Hotmail/Yahoo/Google

Yep, I give up on chasing NAT issues. We just give everyone publics. Jim Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: > We are having a problem with certain sites that are rejecting our > customers because they say the IP address has sent too much traffic over > the last 24 hours. This is a problem, as 98% o

Re: [WISPA] powering finicky mikrotiks on 24v solar

Looks nice. How do you connect to that? The spec sheet isn't clear, just says it has "pins" on it. Randy ccrum wrote: > I use some Cincon Part EC4BW12, dc-dc convertors for anywhere I need to > power the sub 28v devices. It will take 18-72 v in and output 12 v. I've > had to install a lot of

[WISPA] NAT issue with Hotmail/Yahoo/Google

We are having a problem with certain sites that are rejecting our customers because they say the IP address has sent too much traffic over the last 24 hours. This is a problem, as 98% of our customers are behind a single NATted IP address. I am just changing the IP address of the NAT server

Re: [WISPA] powering finicky mikrotiks on 24v solar

I use some Cincon Part EC4BW12, dc-dc convertors for anywhere I need to power the sub 28v devices. It will take 18-72 v in and output 12 v. I've had to install a lot of these as most of our sites were 48 v. When we started replacing 532's with the 400 series, we had to put one in for every boar

Re: [WISPA] powering finicky mikrotiks on 24v solar

I hear your frustration but I would not be yelling at MT. If I bought a regulated power supply that didn't deliver the set voltage I would be all over that manufacturer. Your RouterBoard worked to specification and the power supply didn't. Who is at fault?Really surprises me that it is a

Re: [WISPA] powering finicky mikrotiks on 24v solar

I'm just dreading more snowmobile trips in blizzards. Randy Dennis Burgess wrote: > never had a problem. soo. .lol. Maybge you are over engineering.. > > --- > Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer > WISPA Board Member - wi

Re: [WISPA] powering finicky mikrotiks on 24v solar

never had a problem. soo. .lol. Maybge you are over engineering.. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office:

Re: [WISPA] powering finicky mikrotiks on 24v solar

A couple issues: Wasted energy - these converters can go as low as 75% efficient One more point of failure Often the converters have their own low voltage disconnect - I went 24v to give myself more battery headroom and time if we have problems with the solar or wind Often the converters will st

[WISPA] Network Testing Application Development

I am currently in development to make a install-less application that will allow an end user to simply click check net, it will preform several checks including pinging their gateway, your network edge, test dns resolution, list their ip information (for clueless users), as well as give them lin

Re: [WISPA] powering finicky mikrotiks on 24v solar

We run 12 volt converters to 18-20v with 24 volt battery systems. no issues. :) --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor

Re: [WISPA] powering finicky mikrotiks on 24v solar

http://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=36191&start=0 I'm pulling my hair out and wasting all kinds of money on voltage regulators to make sure my solar and dc-powered sites don't cause mikrotik routerboards to go into over-voltage protection when the batteries get charged over 28v. I'm

Re: [WISPA] powering finicky mikrotiks on 24v solar

I ran into a problem with one of these yesterday that makes me leery of using them again. http://www.mouser.com/Search/ProductDetail.aspx?R=SD-25B-24virtualkey6343virtualkey709-SD25B-24 If the amperage goes over the rated max (1.1A) it appears the unit continues to allow dc through, but doe

Re: [WISPA] Long 5Ghz link over water

Jeremy, Spatial diversity on different polarities is going to be the best thing for you to overcome what your seeing. I'm not sure how easy that is to implement on a Mikrotik system... but I would strongly recommend looking at a system like the Radwin 2000 or Motorola Orthogon Radios... Daniel

Re: [WISPA] Long 5Ghz link over water

I will have to second the ducting analysis. 23 miles is a long way over a water path. You can use space diversity by using a pair of antennas/radios at the same frequency, with 20 foot or more of vertical separation. You could try frequency diversity also. Many times a duct will affect freq

Re: [WISPA] Long 5Ghz link over water

Hmmm, hadn't thought of that solution. Good catch! I try to keep my links to 15 miles or less so that I can have an AP at each one and cover the area in between. That helps with a lot of strange performance issues too. Thanks for the tip, I might have to try some n radios after all :-). It's

Re: [WISPA] Long 5Ghz link over water

Have a look at our Radwin2000 MIMO radio- the diversity option is specifically for these applications. Matt Musial Radwin USA Sent via my BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Jeremy Parr Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 09:51:21 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Long 5Ghz link over water

Re: [WISPA] Long 5Ghz link over water

2009/10/28 Marlon K. Schafer : > It's probably ducting.  Where the conditions in the AIR literally bend the > signal over or under your receive antennas. > > You'll likely have to put in a system designed with something called > "antenna diversity".  Basically two antennas for each link.  One 10 to

Re: [WISPA] Long 5Ghz link over water

It's probably ducting. Where the conditions in the AIR literally bend the signal over or under your receive antennas. You'll likely have to put in a system designed with something called "antenna diversity". Basically two antennas for each link. One 10 to 20' higher than the other one. Then

Re: [WISPA] Long 5Ghz link over water

Is going to circular polarization an option? Greg On Oct 28, 2009, at 8:50 AM, Jeremy Parr wrote: > I have a 23 mile link completely over water that I cannot get stable. > One end is approx 200ft AGL, 220ft ASL, the other end is 50' AGL, 90' > ASL. Antennas are V-Pol 29dbi grids, radios are R5H

Re: [WISPA] Fresnel zone issues?

I'd be surprised if it were the building rather than the freeway causing your problem here. In the end, it doesn't really matter what the cause is (could be a power line a few hundred yards away too). Try moving one end up OR down by as little as 2 feet. It could take much more, but sometimes

Re: [WISPA] Long 5Ghz link over water

>From my understanding from others doing that very thing h pol is far better >over water then v pol and I would agree that it would work better with the >wave going side to side instead of up and down (less chance of bounced >reflection on the water surface causing multipath issues). /Eje Sent

Re: [WISPA] Long 5Ghz link over water

Your probably seeing tidal dropouts. We have that problem from time to time and usually a larger antenna does the trick with a narrower beam. I would go to 32 dbi dishes at HPOL (I think H-Pol works better over water from experience) I would probably look into use XR-5 cards for the extra outpu

[WISPA] Long 5Ghz link over water

I have a 23 mile link completely over water that I cannot get stable. One end is approx 200ft AGL, 220ft ASL, the other end is 50' AGL, 90' ASL. Antennas are V-Pol 29dbi grids, radios are R5H cards. I have tried the link at both 5.2, and 5.8, but it still fluctuates dramatically. When the antennas

Re: [WISPA] Fresnel zone issues?

From your RM picture, the building isn't the only issue. The link just has Fresnel problems at the ATT Plaza end. Even with no builidings, I wouldn't try using the link the way it looks. Mike Hammett wrote: > I'm looking at a link that has a possible issue. I've linked pictures. > > http://

Re: [WISPA] Amateur repeater on a wisp tower -- gotchas?

Peel back a few inches of jacket. Pull the drain wire back along the wire. Install connector with drain wire coming out the back. Ground the drain wire. Kurt Fankhauser wrote: > Does anyone know how you use shielded cat 5 when the radio's are all Tranzeo > with their plastic Ethernet port???