Re: [WISPA] Speed test volunteers anyone?

[Dodd Howell]

from a 250mb node

[cid:748130901@31082012-20B9]


From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Ralph
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 7:08 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Speed test volunteers anyone?

Oops  again. Sorry, I changed the text of the link but not the link.

http://brightlan.net/page26.html



From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Ralph
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 7:04 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Speed test volunteers anyone?

Duh. Sorry.
http://brightlan.net/page26.html


From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Ralph
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 6:56 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: [WISPA] Speed test volunteers anyone?

I have just finished installing Speedtest Mini in our data center and I would 
like some help testing it.
If you have a "big pipe", it would be especially helpful to have your feedback.

Thanks very much

Ralph
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Re: [WISPA] Oh Great take from the poor and give to the rich!

[Sean Heskett]

+1

no corporate welfare!



On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 12:39 PM, Forbes Mercy  wrote:

>  Chris,
>
> Let me reason this out with you and Jack.  I've always felt WISPA is too
> conservative in simply making filings and a rare visit.  I've felt that
> education of our Congressional members has helped them remember us when
> staff reviews new laws.  What we haven't done is bear any pressure or seek
> to make our issues into the public consciousness.
>
> This is an election year, a rare moment when small issues become campaign
> promises (whether kept or not).  I will only touch on politics for a
> moment, keep in mind a Democrat FCC Chairman is proud that he converted USF
> to CAF and seeks to expand it's revenue by adding broadband.  The
> Republicans are screaming for 'no new tax' issues, just last night Ryan
> called out Corporate Welfare.  Here we are with this huge outdated tax and
> the FCC wants to make it bigger by taxing a whole new industry.  The main
> points we can make are:
>
> 1) Congress said no tax on the Internet and now the FCC wants to go around
> them and tax the Internet anyway
> 2) 100% of the new tax would go to corporate welfare not directly helping
> a single tax payer, it's socialized Internet
> 3) The Telco industry isn't even a Broadband company, they are a telephone
> company no more than cable is an Internet company.  At least cable got
> investors to build their networks, telco wants the government to pay for
> all of their expansion.
> 4) The cost of Wireless to expand to areas is a fraction of the cost of
> wireline but is being completely left out.
>
> I think a properly briefed politician could get excited about helping to
> push our agenda, make it public and dramatically raise the profile of our
> discussion.  Imagine a politician who took a pledge of no new taxes having
> to take on the burden of having approved a new tax in CAF.  There is
> nothing radical about taking advantage of opportunities and the election
> cycle seems primed for our issues.  Politics is always a radical and risky
> proposition but no one here has yet to say how this will hurt us other to
> say it's risky.  I'm all ears.
>
> Forbes
>
> On 8/29/2012 11:37 AM, chris cooper wrote:
>
>  I wouldn’t do that in the pre election climate.  It seems like it could
> be taken a couple of different ways, any one of which might alienate 50% of
> your customers.
>
> ** **
>
> cc
>
> ** **
>
> -Original Message-
> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> *On Behalf Of *Forbes Mercy
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 29, 2012 2:25 PM
> *To:* wireless@wispa.org; fcccommit...@wispa.org
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Oh Great take from the poor and give to the rich!
>
> ** **
>
> I wonder if it would benefit us to send a "New Tax Coming to a Constituent
> Near You" release where in this era of taxes being waged to pay off debt, a
> new tax is being proposed by the FCC to the broadband industry which will
> only serve to subsidize the telephone industry with broadband deriving zero
> benefit?  Instead of defensive it's a pro-active move where politicians
> running under a no new taxes platform will have to roll it in.
>
> I know the FCC wouldn't be thrilled with us but we've felt all along the
> USF to CAF conversion was just the FCC helping the Telco industry to do a
> hostile takeover of our broadband industry with government aid and we
> shouldn't be afraid to say it.
>
> Forbes
>
> On 8/28/2012 2:28 PM, Jack Unger wrote: 
>
> Throw out that word "tax" and everyone gets all excited but this is really
> old news and not really any news at all. Just the transition of the USF
> program (subsidies to extend phone service to rural areas) into the CAF
> program where the subsidies will now go to extend broadband service to the
> boonies. WISPA has made a ton of FCC filings on this already. Most of them
> are defensive in nature (preventing WISPs from being overbuilt) but a few
> are offensive - trying to open up the possibilities for WISPs that want
> subsidies (most don't) to get them.
>
> jack
>
> 
>
> On 8/28/2012 1:20 PM, Jim Patient wrote:
>
> http://www.ijreview.com/2012/08/13896-fcc-may-soon-tax-internet-service/**
> **
>
> ** **
>
> Jim Patient
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Re: [WISPA] Speed test volunteers anyone?

[Jason Bailey]

Looks good here in Michigan. I tested against 3 others locally and results look 
comparable.

--- On Thu, 8/30/12, Ralph  wrote:

From: Ralph 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Speed test volunteers anyone?
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Date: Thursday, August 30, 2012, 7:07 PM

Oops  again. Sorry, I changed the text of the link but not the link.  
http://brightlan.net/page26.html      From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Ralph
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 7:04 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Speed test volunteers anyone?  Duh. 
Sorry.http://brightlan.net/page26.html    From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Ralph
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 6:56 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: [WISPA] Speed test volunteers anyone?  I have just finished installing 
Speedtest Mini in our data center and I would like some help testing it.If you 
have a “big pipe”, it would be especially helpful to have your feedback.  
Thanks very much  RalphBrightlan.net
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Re: [WISPA] Speed test volunteers anyone?

[Ralph]

Oops  again. Sorry, I changed the text of the link but not the link.

 

http://brightlan.net/page26.html

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Ralph
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 7:04 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Speed test volunteers anyone?

 

Duh. Sorry.

http://brightlan.net/page26.html  

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Ralph
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 6:56 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: [WISPA] Speed test volunteers anyone?

 

I have just finished installing Speedtest Mini in our data center and I
would like some help testing it.

If you have a "big pipe", it would be especially helpful to have your
feedback.

 

Thanks very much

 

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Re: [WISPA] Speed test volunteers anyone?

[Matt Hoppes]

That takes us here:
http://brightlan.net/helpdesk/ttx.cgi


Matt Hoppes
Director of Information Technology
Indigo Wireless
+1 (570) 723-7312

On 8/30/12 7:04 PM, Ralph wrote:
> Duh. Sorry.
>
> http://brightlan.net/page26.html 
>
> *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> *On Behalf Of *Ralph
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 30, 2012 6:56 PM
> *To:* 'WISPA General List'
> *Subject:* [WISPA] Speed test volunteers anyone?
>
> I have just finished installing Speedtest Mini in our data center and I
> would like some help testing it.
>
> If you have a “big pipe”, it would be especially helpful to have your
> feedback.
>
> Thanks very much
>
> Ralph
>
> Brightlan.net
>
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Re: [WISPA] Speed test volunteers anyone?

[Ralph]

Duh. Sorry.

http://brightlan.net/page26.html  

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Ralph
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 6:56 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: [WISPA] Speed test volunteers anyone?

 

I have just finished installing Speedtest Mini in our data center and I
would like some help testing it.

If you have a "big pipe", it would be especially helpful to have your
feedback.

 

Thanks very much

 

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Re: [WISPA] Speed test volunteers anyone?

[j2840fl]

I can try from my ds3. Let me know. Jason
Sent from my BlackBerry®

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Re: [WISPA] Speed test volunteers anyone?

[Matt Hoppes]

Sure... send over the address.


Matt Hoppes
Director of Information Technology
Indigo Wireless
+1 (570) 723-7312

On 8/30/12 6:55 PM, Ralph wrote:
> I have just finished installing Speedtest Mini in our data center and I
> would like some help testing it.
>
> If you have a “big pipe”, it would be especially helpful to have your
> feedback.
>
> Thanks very much
>
> Ralph
>
> Brightlan.net
>
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[WISPA] Speed test volunteers anyone?

[Ralph]

I have just finished installing Speedtest Mini in our data center and I
would like some help testing it.

If you have a "big pipe", it would be especially helpful to have your
feedback.

 

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Re: [WISPA] Oh Great take from the poor and give to the rich!

[chris cooper]

Forbes
 
There are roughly 60 days left before the election.  I doubt I could get
the local dog catcher candidate to take a policy position 60 days out
from the election, much less a complicated position.  The election has
the nation polarized.  In Ohio the race is neck and neck +/- a few
points.  I figure that represents my customers pretty well.  If I
believe that the lobbying efforts would be fruitless, why would I expose
my business to retribution by alienating members of one party or the
other?  Just doesn't make sense to me.
 
Chris
 
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Forbes Mercy
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 2:40 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org; Legislative Activity for WISPA
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Oh Great take from the poor and give to the rich!
 
Chris,

Let me reason this out with you and Jack.  I've always felt WISPA is too
conservative in simply making filings and a rare visit.  I've felt that
education of our Congressional members has helped them remember us when
staff reviews new laws.  What we haven't done is bear any pressure or
seek to make our issues into the public consciousness.  

This is an election year, a rare moment when small issues become
campaign promises (whether kept or not).  I will only touch on politics
for a moment, keep in mind a Democrat FCC Chairman is proud that he
converted USF to CAF and seeks to expand it's revenue by adding
broadband.  The Republicans are screaming for 'no new tax' issues, just
last night Ryan called out Corporate Welfare.  Here we are with this
huge outdated tax and the FCC wants to make it bigger by taxing a whole
new industry.  The main points we can make are:

1) Congress said no tax on the Internet and now the FCC wants to go
around them and tax the Internet anyway
2) 100% of the new tax would go to corporate welfare not directly
helping a single tax payer, it's socialized Internet
3) The Telco industry isn't even a Broadband company, they are a
telephone company no more than cable is an Internet company.  At least
cable got investors to build their networks, telco wants the government
to pay for all of their expansion.
4) The cost of Wireless to expand to areas is a fraction of the cost of
wireline but is being completely left out.

I think a properly briefed politician could get excited about helping to
push our agenda, make it public and dramatically raise the profile of
our discussion.  Imagine a politician who took a pledge of no new taxes
having to take on the burden of having approved a new tax in CAF.  There
is nothing radical about taking advantage of opportunities and the
election cycle seems primed for our issues.  Politics is always a
radical and risky proposition but no one here has yet to say how this
will hurt us other to say it's risky.  I'm all ears.

Forbes 

On 8/29/2012 11:37 AM, chris cooper wrote: 
I wouldn't do that in the pre election climate.  It seems like it could
be taken a couple of different ways, any one of which might alienate 50%
of your customers.
 
cc
 
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Forbes Mercy
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 2:25 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org; fcccommit...@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Oh Great take from the poor and give to the rich!
 
I wonder if it would benefit us to send a "New Tax Coming to a
Constituent Near You" release where in this era of taxes being waged to
pay off debt, a new tax is being proposed by the FCC to the broadband
industry which will only serve to subsidize the telephone industry with
broadband deriving zero benefit?  Instead of defensive it's a pro-active
move where politicians running under a no new taxes platform will have
to roll it in.

I know the FCC wouldn't be thrilled with us but we've felt all along the
USF to CAF conversion was just the FCC helping the Telco industry to do
a hostile takeover of our broadband industry with government aid and we
shouldn't be afraid to say it.

Forbes

On 8/28/2012 2:28 PM, Jack Unger wrote: 
Throw out that word "tax" and everyone gets all excited but this is
really old news and not really any news at all. Just the transition of
the USF program (subsidies to extend phone service to rural areas) into
the CAF program where the subsidies will now go to extend broadband
service to the boonies. WISPA has made a ton of FCC filings on this
already. Most of them are defensive in nature (preventing WISPs from
being overbuilt) but a few are offensive - trying to open up the
possibilities for WISPs that want subsidies (most don't) to get them. 

jack


On 8/28/2012 1:20 PM, Jim Patient wrote:
http://www.ijreview.com/2012/08/13896-fcc-may-soon-tax-internet-service/
 
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Link Technologies, Inc.
314-735-0270 x102
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[Forbes Mercy]

  
  
Chris,

Let me reason this out with you and Jack.  I've always felt WISPA is
too conservative in simply making filings and a rare visit.  I've
felt that education of our Congressional members has helped them
remember us when staff reviews new laws.  What we haven't done is
bear any pressure or seek to make our issues into the public
consciousness.  

This is an election year, a rare moment when small issues become
campaign promises (whether kept or not).  I will only touch on
politics for a moment, keep in mind a Democrat FCC Chairman is proud
that he converted USF to CAF and seeks to expand it's revenue by
adding broadband.  The Republicans are screaming for 'no new tax'
issues, just last night Ryan called out Corporate Welfare.  Here we
are with this huge outdated tax and the FCC wants to make it bigger
by taxing a whole new industry.  The main points we can make are:

1) Congress said no tax on the Internet and now the FCC wants to go
around them and tax the Internet anyway
2) 100% of the new tax would go to corporate welfare not directly
helping a single tax payer, it's socialized Internet
3) The Telco industry isn't even a Broadband company, they are a
telephone company no more than cable is an Internet company.  At
least cable got investors to build their networks, telco wants the
government to pay for all of their expansion.
4) The cost of Wireless to expand to areas is a fraction of the cost
of wireline but is being completely left out.

I think a properly briefed politician could get excited about
helping to push our agenda, make it public and dramatically raise
the profile of our discussion.  Imagine a politician who took a
pledge of no new taxes having to take on the burden of having
approved a new tax in CAF.  There is nothing radical about taking
advantage of opportunities and the election cycle seems primed for
our issues.  Politics is always a radical and risky proposition but
no one here has yet to say how this will hurt us other to say it's
risky.  I'm all ears.

Forbes 

On 8/29/2012 11:37 AM, chris cooper wrote:

  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
I wouldn’t do that in
  the pre
  election climate.  It
  seems like it could
  be taken a couple of different ways, any one of which
  might alienate 50% of
  your customers.
 
cc
 
-Original
  Message-
  From:
  wireless-boun...@wispa.org
  [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf
  Of Forbes Mercy
  Sent:
  Wednesday, August 29, 2012
  2:25 PM
  To:
  wireless@wispa.org;
  fcccommit...@wispa.org
  Subject: Re:
  [WISPA] Oh Great take
  from the poor and give to the rich!
 
I wonder if it would benefit us
  to
  send a "New Tax Coming to a Constituent Near You" release
  where in
  this era of taxes being waged to pay off debt, a new tax
  is being proposed by
  the FCC to the broadband industry which will only serve to
  subsidize the
  telephone industry with broadband deriving zero benefit? 
  Instead of
  defensive it's a pro-active move where politicians running
  under a no new taxes
  platform will have to roll it in.
  
  I know the FCC wouldn't be thrilled with us but we've felt
  all along the USF to
  CAF conversion was just the FCC helping the Telco industry
  to do a hostile
  takeover of our broadband industry with government aid and
  we shouldn't be
  afraid to say it.
  
  Forbes
  
  On 8/28/2012 2:28 PM, Jack Unger wrote: 
Throw
  out that word
  "tax" and everyone gets all excited but this is really old
  news and
  not really any news at all. Just the transition of the USF
  program (subsidies
  to extend phone service to rural areas) into the CAF
  program where the
  subsidies will now go to extend broadband service to the
  boonies. WISPA has
  made a ton of FCC filings on this already. Most of them
  are defensive in nature
  (preventing WISPs from being overbuilt) but a few are
  offensive - trying to
  open up the possibilities for WISPs that want subsidies
  (most don't) to get
  them. 
  
  jack
  

Re: [WISPA] Pac Wireless DA58-29 polarity

[Doug Clark]

Make sure you take a mechanics mirror up with you if it is in an awkward
position to look at. 
 
 
 
 
---Original Message---
 
From: Scott Reed
Date: 8/30/2012 8:53:56 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pac Wireless DA58-29 polarity
 
I was hoping the notches on the back were an indicator.
Thanks to all for the responses.


On 8/30/2012 10:42 AM, Sam Tetherow wrote:

Patrick is correct, I was remembering wrong, the notches are on the inside
of the dish at the base of the LNB.

On 08/30/2012 09:35 AM, Patrick Wheeland wrote: 
Unfortunately, it’s on the other side of the dish.  You’ll have to take the
radome cover off to see which polarity it’s set for.
 
-Patrick
 
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Scott Reed
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 8:11 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pac Wireless DA58-29 polarity
 
Which side of the dish is that on?  This one is over 100' up and has a
radome on it.  We are redeploying it, but just a new direction on ht same
tower so we don't want to take it apart.  We just can't find the records of
which way it was installed.
On 8/29/2012 6:36 PM, Sam Tetherow wrote:
There should be a screw under the attachment nut that fits into a groove on
the dish.  If the screw is up or down it is vertical, if it is left or right
it is horizontal.

On 08/29/2012 05:25 PM, Scott Reed wrote: 
Is this setup as vertical or horizontal polarity.



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Re: [WISPA] Oh Great take from the poor and give to the rich!

[Fred Goldstein]

At 8/30/2012 09:07 AM, you wrote:
I thought only Congress could make tax rules.  Does the current law 
allow the FCC to impose USF on whatever they want?


Of course they do.  USF is part of TA96.  It is not labeled tax 
because it doesn't go through the Treasury and the General Fund, but 
is privately administered by USAC on contract to the FCC.  That way 
Congress could say that it wasn't a tax.  And to be honest, it was 
replacing a different cross-subsidy mechanism that was even more broken.



On 8/29/2012 4:40 PM, Jack Unger wrote:

I also think it's a tax too.

I just don't think we should lose our cool and do destructive 
things that could hurt our industry just because it's a tax.



On 8/29/2012 1:27 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote:

I agree with your conclusions Jack, but it is absolutely a tax.


Regards,

Jeff
Sales Manager, Blue Technology
574-935-8484 x106 (US/Can)
574-220-7826 (Cell)
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Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 3:52 PM
To: WISPA General List; WISPA's FCC Committee
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Oh Great take from the poor and give to the rich!

I see sending any kind of WISPA "release" as just election-year 
political gamesmanship that is likely to hurt us more than help us.


This so-called "tax" is just being shifted from voice to 
broadband. The FCC's job (as mandated by Congress) is to extend 
broadband to everyone.


Further, I don't agree that the FCC is trying to put us out of 
business. The USF  tables have been heavily tilted against us 
because in the past (like 5 years ago) WISPs were not a "player" 
at the government level. We were not organized enough then to show 
up and make our voice heard. Now we are organized, our voice is 
being heard and we're making pretty decent headway. I'd say we 
stick to our business of advocating effectively to advance our 
industry and leave the "tax and spend" gamesmanship to the 
professional politicians.


jack

On 8/29/2012 11:24 AM, Forbes Mercy wrote:
I wonder if it would benefit us to send a "New Tax Coming to a 
Constituent Near You" release where in this era of taxes being 
waged to pay off debt, a new tax is being proposed by the FCC to 
the broadband industry which will only serve to subsidize the 
telephone industry with broadband deriving zero benefit?  Instead 
of defensive it's a pro-active move where politicians running 
under a no new taxes platform will have to roll it in.


I know the FCC wouldn't be thrilled with us but we've felt all 
along the USF to CAF conversion was just the FCC helping the 
Telco industry to do a hostile takeover of our broadband industry 
with government aid and we shouldn't be afraid to say it.


Forbes

On 8/28/2012 2:28 PM, Jack Unger wrote:
Throw out that word "tax" and everyone gets all excited but this 
is really old news and not really any news at all. Just the 
transition of the USF program (subsidies to extend phone service 
to rural areas) into the CAF program where the subsidies will now 
go to extend broadband service to the boonies. WISPA has made a 
ton of FCC filings on this already. Most of them are defensive in 
nature (preventing WISPs from being overbuilt) but a few are 
offensive - trying to open up the possibilities for WISPs that 
want subsidies (most don't) to get them.


jack

On 8/28/2012 1:20 PM, Jim Patient wrote:

http://www.ijreview.com/2012/08/13896-fcc-may-soon-tax-internet-service/

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Re: [WISPA] Pac Wireless DA58-29 polarity

[Scott Reed]

I was hoping the notches on the back were an indicator.
Thanks to all for the responses.

On 8/30/2012 10:42 AM, Sam Tetherow wrote:
Patrick is correct, I was remembering wrong, the notches are on the 
inside of the dish at the base of the LNB.


On 08/30/2012 09:35 AM, Patrick Wheeland wrote:


Unfortunately, it's on the other side of the dish.  You'll have to 
take the radome cover off to see which polarity it's set for.


-Patrick

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Which side of the dish is that on?  This one is over 100' up and has 
a radome on it.  We are redeploying it, but just a new direction on 
ht same tower so we don't want to take it apart.  We just can't find 
the records of which way it was installed.


On 8/29/2012 6:36 PM, Sam Tetherow wrote:

There should be a screw under the attachment nut that fits into a
groove on the dish.  If the screw is up or down it is vertical,
if it is left or right it is horizontal.

On 08/29/2012 05:25 PM, Scott Reed wrote:

Is this setup as vertical or horizontal polarity.


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Re: [WISPA] Pac Wireless DA58-29 polarity

[Sam Tetherow]

Patrick is correct, I was remembering wrong, the notches are on the 
inside of the dish at the base of the LNB.


On 08/30/2012 09:35 AM, Patrick Wheeland wrote:


Unfortunately, it's on the other side of the dish.  You'll have to 
take the radome cover off to see which polarity it's set for.


-Patrick

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Which side of the dish is that on?  This one is over 100' up and has a 
radome on it.  We are redeploying it, but just a new direction on ht 
same tower so we don't want to take it apart.  We just can't find the 
records of which way it was installed.


On 8/29/2012 6:36 PM, Sam Tetherow wrote:

There should be a screw under the attachment nut that fits into a
groove on the dish.  If the screw is up or down it is vertical, if
it is left or right it is horizontal.

On 08/29/2012 05:25 PM, Scott Reed wrote:

Is this setup as vertical or horizontal polarity.


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Re: [WISPA] Pac Wireless DA58-29 polarity

[Patrick Wheeland]

Unfortunately, it’s on the other side of the dish.  You’ll have to take the
radome cover off to see which polarity it’s set for.



-Patrick



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Which side of the dish is that on?  This one is over 100' up and has a
radome on it.  We are redeploying it, but just a new direction on ht same
tower so we don't want to take it apart.  We just can't find the records of
which way it was installed.

On 8/29/2012 6:36 PM, Sam Tetherow wrote:

There should be a screw under the attachment nut that fits into a groove on
the dish.  If the screw is up or down it is vertical, if it is left or
right it is horizontal.

On 08/29/2012 05:25 PM, Scott Reed wrote:

Is this setup as vertical or horizontal polarity.


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Re: [WISPA] Guidance for mounting gear on an AM tower

[Greg Ihnen]

They do lightning protection with very expensive commercial protectors, and the 
new solid state transmitters can sense the condition and momentarily shut down 
while the protector is doing it's thing which is basically becoming a 
short-circuit to pass the energy to ground, otherwise the transmitter would  
provide enough power to keep the protector in the fired state, and the 
transmitter wouldn't be too happy looking into a short-circuit.

Greg

On Aug 30, 2012, at 9:12 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

> AFAIK, you bond all metal objects with the tower itself. You aren't going to 
> avoid the RF, so you "make peace" with it.
> 
> I am kind of curious, though, how they handle lightning and ESD on a hot 
> tower. They surely have a method because those transmitters aren't throw-away 
> items.
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Greg Ihnen" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 8:11:33 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Guidance for mounting gear on an AM tower
> 
> 
> The tower is the AM antenna correct? If you ground your gear to the tower, 
> aren't you connecting your gear directly to the "antenna"? It seems like if 
> to try and avoid RF you connect to the thing that is energized with RF it's a 
> step in the wrong direction. 
> 
> 
> Is the tower a grounded-base or insulated-base (the tower stands on a big 
> insulator). If it's an insulated-base antenna you're definitely not 
> "grounding" your gear by connecting to the tower since the tower isn't 
> grounded. 
> 
> 
> Greg 
> 
> 
> On Aug 30, 2012, at 9:01 AM, Mike Hammett < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > wrote: 
> 
> 
> You'll want to isolate the power with an isocoupler. 
> 
> 
> 
> - 
> Mike Hammett 
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> http://www.ics-il.com 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Brian Gray"  
> To: wireless@wispa.org 
> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 7:43:51 PM 
> Subject: [WISPA] Guidance for mounting gear on an AM tower 
> 
> 
> Besides staying away from an AM tower, does anyone have any guidance as far 
> as mounting equipment, specifically POE equipment on one without problems for 
> us or the AM tower? 
> 
> 
> How do I keep AM RF out of my POE cables and my radios / antennas? 
> 
> 
> How do I ground my gear? 
> 
> 
> My initial thoughts are: 
> 
> 
> Install equipment enclosure at base of tower, attached to tower. 
> Run 1" metallic liquid tight (MLT) up tower to aluminum enclosure at 200', 
> continue run from enclosure with 1" MLT up to 300' to additional aluminum 
> enclosure 
> run 2 3/4" MLT from 200' enclosure to 2 backhaul radios (probably UBNT NB25 
> to start with) 
> run 3 3/4" MLT from 300' enclosure to 3 sector antennas (probably UBNT Rocket 
> M2) 
> drill small weep holes in 3/4" runs as they will not be weather tight to 
> radios 
> run shielded cat 5 inside metallic liquid tight. 
> Put 2-3 ferrite cores on the ends of all of the cables. 
> install poe surge arrestors on both ends of cables, just before radio and 
> just before router. 
> wrap rf choke into both ends of a/c power cable running from enclosure to 
> circuit panel 
> No clue on grounding this thing. 
> 
> 
> 
> Thank you in advance! 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Brian Gray 
> 
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Re: [WISPA] Guidance for mounting gear on an AM tower

[Greg Ihnen]

That was my first thought too, the possible pattern change. The antenna might 
have to be resurveyed after the install.

Greg

On Aug 30, 2012, at 9:27 AM, lakel...@gbcx.net  wrote:

> The station engineer should be the lead information contact. If he is 
> clueless most AM stations have engineering firms on retainer.
> 
> Adding equipment to certain stations can change the antenna radiation 
> pattern. Obviously the FCC doesn't lie this.  ;-)
> 
> -B-
> 
> - Reply message -
> From: "Brian Gray" 
> To: 
> Subject: [WISPA] Guidance for mounting gear on an AM tower
> Date: Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:43 pm
> 
> 
> Besides staying away from an AM tower, does anyone have any guidance as far 
> as mounting equipment, specifically POE equipment on one without problems for 
> us or the AM tower?
> 
> How do I keep AM RF out of my POE cables and my radios / antennas?
> 
> How do I ground my gear?
> 
> My initial thoughts are:
> 
> Install equipment enclosure at base of tower, attached to tower.
> Run 1" metallic liquid tight (MLT) up tower to aluminum enclosure at 200',
> continue run from enclosure with 1" MLT up to 300' to additional aluminum 
> enclosure
> run 2 3/4" MLT from 200' enclosure to 2 backhaul radios (probably UBNT NB25 
> to start with)
> run 3 3/4" MLT from 300' enclosure to 3 sector antennas (probably UBNT Rocket 
> M2)
> drill small weep holes in 3/4" runs as they will not be weather tight to 
> radios
> run shielded cat 5 inside metallic liquid tight.
> Put 2-3 ferrite cores on the ends of all of the cables.
> install poe surge arrestors on both ends of cables, just before radio and 
> just before router.
> wrap rf choke into both ends of a/c power cable running from enclosure to 
> circuit panel
> No clue on grounding this thing.
> 
> Thank you in advance!
> 
> 
> 
> Brian Gray
>  
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Re: [WISPA] Guidance for mounting gear on an AM tower

[Greg Ihnen]

They do lightning protection with very expensive commercial protectors, and the 
new solid state transmitters can sense the condition and momentarily shut down 
while the protector is doing it's thing which is basically becoming a 
short-circuit to pass the energy to ground, otherwise the transmitter would  
provide enough power to keep the protector in the fired state, and the 
transmitter wouldn't be too happy looking into a short-circuit.

Greg

On Aug 30, 2012, at 9:12 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

> AFAIK, you bond all metal objects with the tower itself. You aren't going to 
> avoid the RF, so you "make peace" with it.
> 
> I am kind of curious, though, how they handle lightning and ESD on a hot 
> tower. They surely have a method because those transmitters aren't throw-away 
> items.
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Greg Ihnen" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 8:11:33 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Guidance for mounting gear on an AM tower
> 
> 
> The tower is the AM antenna correct? If you ground your gear to the tower, 
> aren't you connecting your gear directly to the "antenna"? It seems like if 
> to try and avoid RF you connect to the thing that is energized with RF it's a 
> step in the wrong direction. 
> 
> 
> Is the tower a grounded-base or insulated-base (the tower stands on a big 
> insulator). If it's an insulated-base antenna you're definitely not 
> "grounding" your gear by connecting to the tower since the tower isn't 
> grounded. 
> 
> 
> Greg 
> 
> 
> On Aug 30, 2012, at 9:01 AM, Mike Hammett < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > wrote: 
> 
> 
> You'll want to isolate the power with an isocoupler. 
> 
> 
> 
> - 
> Mike Hammett 
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> http://www.ics-il.com 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Brian Gray"  
> To: wireless@wispa.org 
> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 7:43:51 PM 
> Subject: [WISPA] Guidance for mounting gear on an AM tower 
> 
> 
> Besides staying away from an AM tower, does anyone have any guidance as far 
> as mounting equipment, specifically POE equipment on one without problems for 
> us or the AM tower? 
> 
> 
> How do I keep AM RF out of my POE cables and my radios / antennas? 
> 
> 
> How do I ground my gear? 
> 
> 
> My initial thoughts are: 
> 
> 
> Install equipment enclosure at base of tower, attached to tower. 
> Run 1" metallic liquid tight (MLT) up tower to aluminum enclosure at 200', 
> continue run from enclosure with 1" MLT up to 300' to additional aluminum 
> enclosure 
> run 2 3/4" MLT from 200' enclosure to 2 backhaul radios (probably UBNT NB25 
> to start with) 
> run 3 3/4" MLT from 300' enclosure to 3 sector antennas (probably UBNT Rocket 
> M2) 
> drill small weep holes in 3/4" runs as they will not be weather tight to 
> radios 
> run shielded cat 5 inside metallic liquid tight. 
> Put 2-3 ferrite cores on the ends of all of the cables. 
> install poe surge arrestors on both ends of cables, just before radio and 
> just before router. 
> wrap rf choke into both ends of a/c power cable running from enclosure to 
> circuit panel 
> No clue on grounding this thing. 
> 
> 
> 
> Thank you in advance! 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Brian Gray 
> 
> Joink LLC 
> Network Manager 
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> 812-870-3332 mobile 
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Re: [WISPA] Guidance for mounting gear on an AM tower

[lakeland]

The station engineer should be the lead information contact. If he is clueless 
most AM stations have engineering firms on retainer.

Adding equipment to certain stations can change the antenna radiation pattern. 
Obviously the FCC doesn't lie this.  ;-)

-B-

- Reply message -
From: "Brian Gray" 
To: 
Subject: [WISPA] Guidance for mounting gear on an AM tower
Date: Wed, Aug 29, 2012 8:43 pm
Besides staying away from an AM tower, does anyone have any guidance as far as 
mounting equipment, specifically POE equipment on one without problems for us 
or the AM tower?
How do I keep AM RF out of my POE cables and my radios / antennas?

How do I ground my gear?
My initial thoughts are:
Install equipment enclosure at base of tower, attached to tower.Run 1" metallic 
liquid tight (MLT) up tower to aluminum enclosure at 200',
continue run from enclosure with 1" MLT up to 300' to additional aluminum 
enclosurerun 2 3/4" MLT from 200' enclosure to 2 backhaul radios (probably UBNT 
NB25 to start with)run 3 3/4" MLT from 300' enclosure to 3 sector antennas 
(probably UBNT Rocket M2)
drill small weep holes in 3/4" runs as they will not be weather tight to 
radiosrun shielded cat 5 inside metallic liquid tight.Put 2-3 ferrite cores on 
the ends of all of the cables.
install poe surge arrestors on both ends of cables, just before radio and just 
before router.wrap rf choke into both ends of a/c power cable running from 
enclosure to circuit panelNo clue on grounding this thing.

Thank you in advance!


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Re: [WISPA] Guidance for mounting gear on an AM tower

[Mike Hammett]

AFAIK, you bond all metal objects with the tower itself. You aren't going to 
avoid the RF, so you "make peace" with it.

I am kind of curious, though, how they handle lightning and ESD on a hot tower. 
They surely have a method because those transmitters aren't throw-away items.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

- Original Message -
From: "Greg Ihnen" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 8:11:33 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Guidance for mounting gear on an AM tower


The tower is the AM antenna correct? If you ground your gear to the tower, 
aren't you connecting your gear directly to the "antenna"? It seems like if to 
try and avoid RF you connect to the thing that is energized with RF it's a step 
in the wrong direction. 


Is the tower a grounded-base or insulated-base (the tower stands on a big 
insulator). If it's an insulated-base antenna you're definitely not "grounding" 
your gear by connecting to the tower since the tower isn't grounded. 


Greg 


On Aug 30, 2012, at 9:01 AM, Mike Hammett < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > wrote: 


You'll want to isolate the power with an isocoupler. 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

- Original Message - 
From: "Brian Gray"  
To: wireless@wispa.org 
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 7:43:51 PM 
Subject: [WISPA] Guidance for mounting gear on an AM tower 


Besides staying away from an AM tower, does anyone have any guidance as far as 
mounting equipment, specifically POE equipment on one without problems for us 
or the AM tower? 


How do I keep AM RF out of my POE cables and my radios / antennas? 


How do I ground my gear? 


My initial thoughts are: 


Install equipment enclosure at base of tower, attached to tower. 
Run 1" metallic liquid tight (MLT) up tower to aluminum enclosure at 200', 
continue run from enclosure with 1" MLT up to 300' to additional aluminum 
enclosure 
run 2 3/4" MLT from 200' enclosure to 2 backhaul radios (probably UBNT NB25 to 
start with) 
run 3 3/4" MLT from 300' enclosure to 3 sector antennas (probably UBNT Rocket 
M2) 
drill small weep holes in 3/4" runs as they will not be weather tight to radios 
run shielded cat 5 inside metallic liquid tight. 
Put 2-3 ferrite cores on the ends of all of the cables. 
install poe surge arrestors on both ends of cables, just before radio and just 
before router. 
wrap rf choke into both ends of a/c power cable running from enclosure to 
circuit panel 
No clue on grounding this thing. 



Thank you in advance! 




Brian Gray 

Joink LLC 
Network Manager 
812-231-7087 direct 
812-870-3332 mobile 

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Re: [WISPA] Guidance for mounting gear on an AM tower

[Greg Ihnen]

The tower is the AM antenna correct? If you ground your gear to the tower, 
aren't you connecting your gear directly to the "antenna"? It seems like if to 
try and avoid RF you connect to the thing that is energized with RF it's a step 
in the wrong direction.

Is the tower a grounded-base or insulated-base (the tower stands on a big 
insulator). If it's an insulated-base antenna you're definitely not "grounding" 
your gear by connecting to the tower since the tower isn't grounded.

Greg
On Aug 30, 2012, at 9:01 AM, Mike Hammett  wrote:

> You'll want to isolate the power with an isocoupler.
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Brian Gray" 
> To: wireless@wispa.org
> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 7:43:51 PM
> Subject: [WISPA] Guidance for mounting gear on an AM tower
> 
> 
> Besides staying away from an AM tower, does anyone have any guidance as far 
> as mounting equipment, specifically POE equipment on one without problems for 
> us or the AM tower? 
> 
> 
> How do I keep AM RF out of my POE cables and my radios / antennas? 
> 
> 
> How do I ground my gear? 
> 
> 
> My initial thoughts are: 
> 
> 
> Install equipment enclosure at base of tower, attached to tower. 
> Run 1" metallic liquid tight (MLT) up tower to aluminum enclosure at 200', 
> continue run from enclosure with 1" MLT up to 300' to additional aluminum 
> enclosure 
> run 2 3/4" MLT from 200' enclosure to 2 backhaul radios (probably UBNT NB25 
> to start with) 
> run 3 3/4" MLT from 300' enclosure to 3 sector antennas (probably UBNT Rocket 
> M2) 
> drill small weep holes in 3/4" runs as they will not be weather tight to 
> radios 
> run shielded cat 5 inside metallic liquid tight. 
> Put 2-3 ferrite cores on the ends of all of the cables. 
> install poe surge arrestors on both ends of cables, just before radio and 
> just before router. 
> wrap rf choke into both ends of a/c power cable running from enclosure to 
> circuit panel 
> No clue on grounding this thing. 
> 
> 
> 
> Thank you in advance! 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Brian Gray 
> 
> Joink LLC 
> Network Manager 
> 812-231-7087 direct 
> 812-870-3332 mobile 
> 
> Joink Customer Support 1-888-31-JOINK 
> 
> 
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Re: [WISPA] Oh Great take from the poor and give to the rich!

[Scott Reed]

  
  
I thought only Congress could make tax rules.  Does the current law
allow the FCC to impose USF on whatever they want?

On 8/29/2012 4:40 PM, Jack Unger wrote:


  
  I also think it's a tax too.
  
  
  I just don't think we should lose our cool and do destructive
  things that could hurt our industry just because it's a tax. 
  
  

  On 8/29/2012 1:27 PM, Jeff Broadwick
- Lists wrote:
  
  





  I
agree with your conclusions Jack, but it is absolutely a
tax.
   
  
Regards,
  
  Jeff
  Sales Manager, Blue Technology
  574-935-8484 x106 (US/Can)
  574-220-7826 (Cell)
  +1 574-935-8484 (Int'l) 
  
  

  

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
  [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
  On Behalf Of Jack
  Unger
  Sent:
  Wednesday, August 29, 2012 3:52 PM
  To: WISPA
  General List; WISPA's FCC Committee
  Subject:
  Re: [WISPA] Oh Great take from the poor and give to
  the rich!
  
   
  I see
sending any kind of WISPA "release" as just
election-year political gamesmanship that is likely to
hurt us more than help us.  

This so-called "tax" is just being shifted from voice to
broadband. The FCC's job (as mandated by Congress) is to
extend broadband to everyone. 

Further, I don't agree that the FCC is trying to put us
out of business. The USF  tables have been heavily
tilted against us because in the past (like 5 years ago)
WISPs were not a "player" at the government level. We
were not organized enough then to show up and make our
voice heard. Now we are organized, our voice is being
heard and we're making pretty decent headway. I'd say we
stick to our business of advocating effectively to
advance our industry and leave the "tax and spend"
gamesmanship to the professional politicians. 

jack

  
  
On 8/29/2012
  11:24 AM, Forbes Mercy wrote:
  
  
I wonder if it
  would benefit us to send a "New Tax Coming to a
  Constituent Near You" release where in this era of
  taxes being waged to pay off debt, a new tax is being
  proposed by the FCC to the broadband industry which
  will only serve to subsidize the telephone industry
  with broadband deriving zero benefit?  Instead of
  defensive it's a pro-active move where politicians
  running under a no new taxes platform will have to
  roll it in.
  
  I know the FCC wouldn't be thrilled with us but we've
  felt all along the USF to CAF conversion was just the
  FCC helping the Telco industry to do a hostile
  takeover of our broadband industry with government aid
  and we shouldn't be afraid to say it.
  
  Forbes
  
  On 8/28/2012 2:28 PM, Jack Unger wrote: 
Throw out
  that word "tax" and everyone gets all excited but this
  is really old news and not really any news at all.
  Just the transition of the USF program (subsidies to
  extend phone service to rural areas) into the CAF
  program where the subsidies will now go to extend
  broadband service to the boonies. WISPA has made a ton
  of FCC filings on this already. Most of them are
  defensive in nature (preventing WISPs from being
  overbuilt) but a few are offensive - trying to open up
  the possibilities for WISPs that want subsidies (most
  don't) to get them. 
  
  jack
  


  On 8/28/2012
1:20 PM, Jim Patient wrote:


  http://www.ijreview.com/2012/08/13896-fcc-may-soon-tax-internet-service/
   
  Jim Patient
  Link
Technologies, Inc.
  314-73

Re: [WISPA] Guidance for mounting gear on an AM tower

[Mike Hammett]

You'll want to isolate the power with an isocoupler.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

- Original Message -
From: "Brian Gray" 
To: wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 7:43:51 PM
Subject: [WISPA] Guidance for mounting gear on an AM tower


Besides staying away from an AM tower, does anyone have any guidance as far as 
mounting equipment, specifically POE equipment on one without problems for us 
or the AM tower? 


How do I keep AM RF out of my POE cables and my radios / antennas? 


How do I ground my gear? 


My initial thoughts are: 


Install equipment enclosure at base of tower, attached to tower. 
Run 1" metallic liquid tight (MLT) up tower to aluminum enclosure at 200', 
continue run from enclosure with 1" MLT up to 300' to additional aluminum 
enclosure 
run 2 3/4" MLT from 200' enclosure to 2 backhaul radios (probably UBNT NB25 to 
start with) 
run 3 3/4" MLT from 300' enclosure to 3 sector antennas (probably UBNT Rocket 
M2) 
drill small weep holes in 3/4" runs as they will not be weather tight to radios 
run shielded cat 5 inside metallic liquid tight. 
Put 2-3 ferrite cores on the ends of all of the cables. 
install poe surge arrestors on both ends of cables, just before radio and just 
before router. 
wrap rf choke into both ends of a/c power cable running from enclosure to 
circuit panel 
No clue on grounding this thing. 



Thank you in advance! 




Brian Gray 

Joink LLC 
Network Manager 
812-231-7087 direct 
812-870-3332 mobile 

Joink Customer Support 1-888-31-JOINK 


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[WISPA] Guidance for mounting gear on an AM tower

[Brian Gray]

Besides staying away from an AM tower, does anyone have any guidance as far
as mounting equipment, specifically POE equipment on one without problems
for us or the AM tower?

How do I keep AM RF out of my POE cables and my radios / antennas?

How do I ground my gear?

My initial thoughts are:

Install equipment enclosure at base of tower, attached to tower.
Run 1" metallic liquid tight (MLT) up tower to aluminum enclosure at 200',
continue run from enclosure with 1" MLT up to 300' to additional aluminum
enclosure
run 2 3/4" MLT from 200' enclosure to 2 backhaul radios (probably UBNT NB25
to start with)
run 3 3/4" MLT from 300' enclosure to 3 sector antennas (probably UBNT
Rocket M2)
drill small weep holes in 3/4" runs as they will not be weather tight to
radios
run shielded cat 5 inside metallic liquid tight.
Put 2-3 ferrite cores on the ends of all of the cables.
install poe surge arrestors on both ends of cables, just before radio and
just before router.
wrap rf choke into both ends of a/c power cable running from enclosure to
circuit panel
No clue on grounding this thing.

Thank you in advance!



Brian Gray

Joink LLC
Network Manager
812-231-7087 direct
812-870-3332 mobile

Joink Customer Support 1-888-31-JOINK
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Re: [WISPA] Oh Great take from the poor and give to the rich!

[Mike Hammett]

Congress, FBI, FEMA, FCC (then the different divisions within the FCC), etc.

In some areas we aren't yet a player and in others, WISPs have been a player 
for several years.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

- Original Message -
From: "John Scrivner" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 11:14:05 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Oh Great take from the poor and give to the rich!


What's that supposed to mean? 
Scriv 



On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 9:13 PM, Mike Hammett < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > 
wrote: 


I guess the reference to not being a government player back then depends on 
what entity you're talking about. 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 


- Original Message - 
From: "Jack Unger" < jun...@ask-wi.com > 
To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org >, "WISPA's FCC Committee" < 
fcccommit...@wispa.org > 
Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 2:51:32 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Oh Great take from the poor and give to the rich! 



I see sending any kind of WISPA "release" as just election-year political 
gamesmanship that is likely to hurt us more than help us. 

This so-called "tax" is just being shifted from voice to broadband. The FCC's 
job (as mandated by Congress) is to extend broadband to everyone. 

Further, I don't agree that the FCC is trying to put us out of business. The 
USF tables have been heavily tilted against us because in the past (like 5 
years ago) WISPs were not a "player" at the government level. We were not 
organized enough then to show up and make our voice heard. Now we are 
organized, our voice is being heard and we're making pretty decent headway. I'd 
say we stick to our business of advocating effectively to advance our industry 
and leave the "tax and spend" gamesmanship to the professional politicians. 

jack 



On 8/29/2012 11:24 AM, Forbes Mercy wrote: 


I wonder if it would benefit us to send a "New Tax Coming to a Constituent Near 
You" release where in this era of taxes being waged to pay off debt, a new tax 
is being proposed by the FCC to the broadband industry which will only serve to 
subsidize the telephone industry with broadband deriving zero benefit? Instead 
of defensive it's a pro-active move where politicians running under a no new 
taxes platform will have to roll it in. 

I know the FCC wouldn't be thrilled with us but we've felt all along the USF to 
CAF conversion was just the FCC helping the Telco industry to do a hostile 
takeover of our broadband industry with government aid and we shouldn't be 
afraid to say it. 

Forbes 

On 8/28/2012 2:28 PM, Jack Unger wrote: 

Throw out that word "tax" and everyone gets all excited but this is really old 
news and not really any news at all. Just the transition of the USF program 
(subsidies to extend phone service to rural areas) into the CAF program where 
the subsidies will now go to extend broadband service to the boonies. WISPA has 
made a ton of FCC filings on this already. Most of them are defensive in nature 
(preventing WISPs from being overbuilt) but a few are offensive - trying to 
open up the possibilities for WISPs that want subsidies (most don't) to get 
them. 

jack 



On 8/28/2012 1:20 PM, Jim Patient wrote: 





http://www.ijreview.com/2012/08/13896-fcc-may-soon-tax-internet-service/ 



Jim Patient 

Link Technologies, Inc. 

314-735-0270 x102 

http://wlan1.com 

http://towercoverage.com 

http://www.linktechs.net 







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