[WISPA] Monopole for Sale

2014-04-18 Thread Stuart Pierce
First come first serve for 8K or best offer.

http://avolve.net/monopole.htm for more information.
  
I have a 100' EEI monopole tower for sale, hardware, ice bridge. On ground in 
Millersport, Ohio 43046. Never erected, supposedly 3 cell carrier, on the 
ground was 25K. To nice for my purposes. Make reasonable offer offlist.  
 





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Re: [WISPA] Monopole for Sale

2014-04-18 Thread Matt Hoppes
Hey Stuart,
We are interested but only if you can provide technical docs on it or a model 
or other info. 

Otherwise our insurance company will never insure it and our tower company 
won't put it up. 

 On Apr 18, 2014, at 7:26 AM, Stuart Pierce spie...@avolve.net wrote:
 
 First come first serve for 8K or best offer.
 
 http://avolve.net/monopole.htm for more information.
 
 I have a 100' EEI monopole tower for sale, hardware, ice bridge. On ground in 
 Millersport, Ohio 43046. Never erected, supposedly 3 cell carrier, on the 
 ground was 25K. To nice for my purposes. Make reasonable offer offlist.  
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] VOIP Security Consultant

2014-04-18 Thread Faisal Imtiaz
Hi Chris, 

Not withstanding security on Freepbx, you know there is no way for freepbx to 
do anything if one of the endpoints are compromised, or a valid user /ext 
password is jacked. 

We use an external system (a2billing) as a means of managing and controlling 
such compromises... 

If this is of interest, feel free to give me shout off-line, unless there are 
others who would like to hear more about this on the list. 

Regards. 

Faisal Imtiaz 
Snappy Internet  Telecom 
7266 SW 48 Street 
Miami, FL 33155 
Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 

Help-desk: (305)663-5518 Option 2 or Email: supp...@snappytelecom.net 

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 Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2014 7:28:28 PM
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 I need help troubleshooting some fraudulent activity on our FreePBX system
 and implementing safeguards to prevent it happening again. Anyone who is
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Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?

2014-04-18 Thread Jim Patient
Ok folks,  we are still working on this.  We now have it set to auto run
the rx side height on link paths (up to 200' but will increase this soon
to 300' for max approximate PoE distance).  You will see on a link there
is a Minimum Antenna Height for Rx.  If you hover over it. It will show
the calculated path to reach your Rx side threshold.  We are assuming
the AP side stays constant and the client side moves.  You would need to
reverse the sides to move the AP side up.  

 

If you're area has a lot of trees, I would suggest cranking up your land
cover % on the trees to around 500% depending on your area.  The higher
you set this the more forest loss you will see when it encounters trees.

 

I extended the WISPA promo code for those of you that haven't tried
this.  The promo code field is in the account settings.

 

Thx,

 

Jim Patient

Office: 314-735-0270

towercoverage.com http://towercoverage.com/  
linktechs.net http://linktechs.net/ 

wlan1.com http://wlan1.com/ 
 

 

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 2:19 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?

 

I'm not talking about customers plotting where their address is.  What
I'm getting at is if I have a customer called in, I'd like to just punch
in the location and then see if they'll work at ground level or how high
we need to get off the ground and see the signal change as I increment
height.





Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 3:16 PM, Clay Stewart 
cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com wrote:

Josh. You can. Just put the web snip on a website. If need help can walk
u through later today. Our websire customer lookup... 
http://www.towercoverage.com/iframemc.asp?mcid=1223Acct=2910

On Apr 9, 2014 3:08 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
wrote:

I'm having a hard time adjusting to this from Radio Mobile.
There's all the same stupid interface shortfalls, for example wanting
to know what a customer's CPE would be without adding a site and putting
them in the same list.  I feel with technology as it is, it shouldn't be
so convoluted to simply put a dot on a map and see what the signal would
be from a tower while being able to adjust the elevation on the fly.

 

I'm wondering if there's another list/forum for this service,
too.  There's no way I'm going write a bible of questions for support,
it doesn't make a whole lot of sense for either of us.



Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

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Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?

2014-04-18 Thread Jim Patient
Forgot to mention the auto height is also now part of your EUS emails as
well so it will now show how high the client needs to be for a signal.

 

Jim

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jim Patient
Sent: Friday, April 18, 2014 12:35 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?

 

Ok folks,  we are still working on this.  We now have it set to auto run
the rx side height on link paths (up to 200' but will increase this soon
to 300' for max approximate PoE distance).  You will see on a link there
is a Minimum Antenna Height for Rx.  If you hover over it. It will show
the calculated path to reach your Rx side threshold.  We are assuming
the AP side stays constant and the client side moves.  You would need to
reverse the sides to move the AP side up.  

 

If you're area has a lot of trees, I would suggest cranking up your land
cover % on the trees to around 500% depending on your area.  The higher
you set this the more forest loss you will see when it encounters trees.

 

I extended the WISPA promo code for those of you that haven't tried
this.  The promo code field is in the account settings.

 

Thx,

 

Jim Patient

Office: 314-735-0270

towercoverage.com http://towercoverage.com/  
linktechs.net http://linktechs.net/ 

wlan1.com http://wlan1.com/ 
 

 

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 2:19 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?

 

I'm not talking about customers plotting where their address is.  What
I'm getting at is if I have a customer called in, I'd like to just punch
in the location and then see if they'll work at ground level or how high
we need to get off the ground and see the signal change as I increment
height.





Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 3:16 PM, Clay Stewart 
cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com wrote:

Josh. You can. Just put the web snip on a website. If need help can walk
u through later today. Our websire customer lookup... 
http://www.towercoverage.com/iframemc.asp?mcid=1223Acct=2910

On Apr 9, 2014 3:08 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
wrote:

I'm having a hard time adjusting to this from Radio Mobile.
There's all the same stupid interface shortfalls, for example wanting
to know what a customer's CPE would be without adding a site and putting
them in the same list.  I feel with technology as it is, it shouldn't be
so convoluted to simply put a dot on a map and see what the signal would
be from a tower while being able to adjust the elevation on the fly.

 

I'm wondering if there's another list/forum for this service,
too.  There's no way I'm going write a bible of questions for support,
it doesn't make a whole lot of sense for either of us.



Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

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Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?

2014-04-18 Thread Josh Luthman
Dang that sounds hot.  Can we see screen shots?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 1:37 PM, Jim Patient jpati...@linktechs.net wrote:

 Forgot to mention the auto height is also now part of your EUS emails as
 well so it will now show how high the client needs to be for a signal.



 Jim



 *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
 Behalf Of *Jim Patient
 *Sent:* Friday, April 18, 2014 12:35 PM

 *To:* WISPA General List
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?



 Ok folks,  we are still working on this.  We now have it set to auto run
 the rx side height on link paths (up to 200’ but will increase this soon to
 300’ for max approximate PoE distance).  You will see on a link there is a 
 Minimum
 Antenna Height for Rx.  If you hover over it. It will show the calculated
 path to reach your Rx side threshold.  We are assuming the AP side stays
 constant and the client side moves.  You would need to reverse the sides to
 move the AP side up.



 If you’re area has a lot of trees, I would suggest cranking up your land
 cover % on the trees to around 500% depending on your area.  The higher you
 set this the more forest loss you will see when it encounters trees.



 I extended the WISPA promo code for those of you that haven’t tried this.
 The promo code field is in the account settings.



 Thx,



 Jim Patient

 Office: 314-735-0270

 towercoverage.com
 linktechs.net

 wlan1.com
 [image: qr_new_cell]









 *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
 [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgwireless-boun...@wispa.org]
 *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
 *Sent:* Wednesday, April 09, 2014 2:19 PM
 *To:* WISPA General List
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?



 I'm not talking about customers plotting where their address is.  What I'm
 getting at is if I have a customer called in, I'd like to just punch in the
 location and then see if they'll work at ground level or how high we need
 to get off the ground and see the signal change as I increment height.



 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373



 On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 3:16 PM, Clay Stewart 
 cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com wrote:

 Josh. You can. Just put the web snip on a website. If need help can walk u
 through later today. Our websire customer lookup...
 http://www.towercoverage.com/iframemc.asp?mcid=1223Acct=2910

 On Apr 9, 2014 3:08 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 wrote:

 I'm having a hard time adjusting to this from Radio Mobile.  There's all
 the same stupid interface shortfalls, for example wanting to know what a
 customer's CPE would be without adding a site and putting them in the same
 list.  I feel with technology as it is, it shouldn't be so convoluted to
 simply put a dot on a map and see what the signal would be from a tower
 while being able to adjust the elevation on the fly.



 I'm wondering if there's another list/forum for this service, too.
  There's no way I'm going write a bible of questions for support, it
 doesn't make a whole lot of sense for either of us.


 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373



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Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?

2014-04-18 Thread Matt Corcoran
It would be nice to see a map that is colored based on how high towerCoverage 
thinks you need to be to achieve x signal level. Say in units of 10 ft.  For 
hilly heavy forest areas.


From: Josh Luthman 
j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org
Date: Friday, April 18, 2014 at 2:00 PM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.orgmailto:wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?

Dang that sounds hot.  Can we see screen shots?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 1:37 PM, Jim Patient 
jpati...@linktechs.netmailto:jpati...@linktechs.net wrote:
Forgot to mention the auto height is also now part of your EUS emails as well 
so it will now show how high the client needs to be for a signal.

Jim

From:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
Behalf Of Jim Patient
Sent: Friday, April 18, 2014 12:35 PM

To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?

Ok folks,  we are still working on this.  We now have it set to auto run the rx 
side height on link paths (up to 200' but will increase this soon to 300' for 
max approximate PoE distance).  You will see on a link there is a Minimum 
Antenna Height for Rx.  If you hover over it. It will show the calculated path 
to reach your Rx side threshold.  We are assuming the AP side stays constant 
and the client side moves.  You would need to reverse the sides to move the AP 
side up.

If you're area has a lot of trees, I would suggest cranking up your land cover 
% on the trees to around 500% depending on your area.  The higher you set this 
the more forest loss you will see when it encounters trees.

I extended the WISPA promo code for those of you that haven't tried this.  The 
promo code field is in the account settings.

Thx,

Jim Patient
Office: 314-735-0270tel:314-735-0270
towercoverage.comhttp://towercoverage.com/
linktechs.nethttp://linktechs.net/
wlan1.comhttp://wlan1.com/
[qr_new_cell]




From:wireless-boun...@wispa.orgmailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 2:19 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?

I'm not talking about customers plotting where their address is.  What I'm 
getting at is if I have a customer called in, I'd like to just punch in the 
location and then see if they'll work at ground level or how high we need to 
get off the ground and see the signal change as I increment height.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 3:16 PM, Clay Stewart 
cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.commailto:cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com
 wrote:

Josh. You can. Just put the web snip on a website. If need help can walk u 
through later today. Our websire customer lookup... 
http://www.towercoverage.com/iframemc.asp?mcid=1223Acct=2910
On Apr 9, 2014 3:08 PM, Josh Luthman 
j...@imaginenetworksllc.commailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote:
I'm having a hard time adjusting to this from Radio Mobile.  There's all the 
same stupid interface shortfalls, for example wanting to know what a 
customer's CPE would be without adding a site and putting them in the same 
list.  I feel with technology as it is, it shouldn't be so convoluted to simply 
put a dot on a map and see what the signal would be from a tower while being 
able to adjust the elevation on the fly.

I'm wondering if there's another list/forum for this service, too.  There's no 
way I'm going write a bible of questions for support, it doesn't make a whole 
lot of sense for either of us.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

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Re: [WISPA] Outsourced email

2014-04-18 Thread Marlon Schafer (509.982.2181)
We use tucows.  Great support, good service.  The antispam isn’t as good as 
postini was but the rest of it has been really nice.

marlon


From: Clay Stewart 
Sent: Friday, April 04, 2014 8:40 AM
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced email

All our customers use their own email... turned off Exchange Servers 4 years 
ago. Not one single new customer EVER asks for email. 

We use GMail Business for everything at office.



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  I know this was just a topic on this list, but I lost all of the contact 
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  Please help if you have a contact.
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Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?

2014-04-18 Thread Jim Patient
We don't run a full 360 degree coverage on links to show colors like you
see on a coverage.  The link colors reflect good, week, and no signal
using your threshold setting and colors on the ground are evergreen dark
green, broadleaf trees light green,  blue buildings, and red diamonds
sticking up in the path are just urban environment that could be a
potential area of interference.  

 

Different colors affect the opacity of the coverage's and black out
overlapping areas.  This is why the multi maps only allow green and red.
Honestly, different colors of maps is not as important as the
functionality of the calculations and other things we are working on.  I
know it's not good news but as you said colors are more of a nice to
have than a need to have.  We're doing what we can to catch up on the
need to haves J

 

 

Jim 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Matt Corcoran
Sent: Friday, April 18, 2014 1:08 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?

 

It would be nice to see a map that is colored based on how high
towerCoverage thinks you need to be to achieve x signal level. Say in
units of 10 ft.  For hilly heavy forest areas.   

 

 

From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Date: Friday, April 18, 2014 at 2:00 PM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?

 

Dang that sounds hot.  Can we see screen shots?





Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 1:37 PM, Jim Patient jpati...@linktechs.net
wrote:

Forgot to mention the auto height is also now part of your EUS emails as
well so it will now show how high the client needs to be for a signal.

 

Jim

 

From:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jim Patient
Sent: Friday, April 18, 2014 12:35 PM


To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?

 

Ok folks,  we are still working on this.  We now have it set to auto run
the rx side height on link paths (up to 200' but will increase this soon
to 300' for max approximate PoE distance).  You will see on a link there
is a Minimum Antenna Height for Rx.  If you hover over it. It will show
the calculated path to reach your Rx side threshold.  We are assuming
the AP side stays constant and the client side moves.  You would need to
reverse the sides to move the AP side up.  

 

If you're area has a lot of trees, I would suggest cranking up your land
cover % on the trees to around 500% depending on your area.  The higher
you set this the more forest loss you will see when it encounters trees.

 

I extended the WISPA promo code for those of you that haven't tried
this.  The promo code field is in the account settings.

 

Thx,

 

Jim Patient

Office: 314-735-0270

towercoverage.com http://towercoverage.com/ 
linktechs.net http://linktechs.net/ 

wlan1.com http://wlan1.com/ 
 

 

 

 

 

From:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2014 2:19 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Who is using Towercoverage.com ?

 

I'm not talking about customers plotting where their address is.  What
I'm getting at is if I have a customer called in, I'd like to just punch
in the location and then see if they'll work at ground level or how high
we need to get off the ground and see the signal change as I increment
height.





Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

On Wed, Apr 9, 2014 at 3:16 PM, Clay Stewart 
cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com wrote:

Josh. You can. Just put the web snip on a website. If need help can walk
u through later today. Our websire customer lookup... 
http://www.towercoverage.com/iframemc.asp?mcid=1223Acct=2910

On Apr 9, 2014 3:08 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
wrote:

I'm having a hard time adjusting to this from Radio Mobile.
There's all the same stupid interface shortfalls, for example wanting
to know what a customer's CPE would be without adding a site and putting
them in the same list.  I feel with technology as it is, it shouldn't be
so convoluted to simply put a dot on a map and see what the signal would
be from a tower while being able to adjust the elevation on the fly.

 

I'm wondering if there's another list/forum for this service,
too.  There's no way I'm going write a bible of questions for support,
it doesn't make a whole lot of sense for either of us.



Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

 

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Re: [WISPA] Odd Speed Results

2014-04-18 Thread Marlon Schafer (509.982.2181)
Look at a difference in rssi levels at each end.  I've seen some of the 
radios (xr2 and xr5 cards) go weak either on the tx or rx side.  That's a 
hard one to catch.

Also if it's only 2.4 miles you might have to much power going to them 
and picking up some multipath.  Try dropping the power down a little bit and 
see what happens.

marlon


-Original Message- 
From: Scott Reed
Sent: Monday, April 07, 2014 6:37 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Odd Speed Results

I have a link using 2 PowerBridges that is about 2.4 miles.  I can get
56M TCP across the link using the UBNT speed test.
I have several MTs on one side of the link and a RouterMaxx running MT
on the other side of the link.  The best I can get between the MTs is
10M.  The processors are at  30% on each side.
I am at a total loss as to why I get the radically different speeds.  I
can not anything that looks odd.  The link used to work really well.
Not sure when this issue started, but I am thinking it may be getting
progressively worse.
Any idea what I should be looking for?

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Re: [WISPA] Outsourced email

2014-04-18 Thread ORI . NET - Scott LePere
My company does email hosting for a few wisps and 1000's of business world 
wide.   We have a spam filter that is just as good as postini or barracuda and 
we can be price competitive.
 Anyone interested in outsourcing email or website hosting please contact me 
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On Apr 18, 2014, at 3:02 PM, Marlon Schafer (509.982.2181) 
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We use tucows.  Great support, good service.  The antispam isn't as good as 
postini was but the rest of it has been really nice.

marlon


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To: WISPA General Listmailto:wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced email

All our customers use their own email... turned off Exchange Servers 4 years 
ago. Not one single new customer EVER asks for email.

We use GMail Business for everything at office.


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Re: [WISPA] Solar powered repeater kit

2014-04-18 Thread Marlon Schafer (509.982.2181)
No.  But I do have a site.

http://www.solarblvd.com/ is where I got my last bit of stuff.  250 watts for 
my motorhome.

At the time, panels and a 40 amp charge controller *with float charging* was 
around $400.

They have pretty high wind load so you’ll need a good structure to hold them 
up.  I’ve also had better luck (so far) with wet cell golf cart 6vdc batteries 
than with anything else.  I get them from the regional Interstate Battery shop, 
factory blems run less than half the cost of new and have a 90 day warranty.

Others have done a lot more of this than I have though.

marlon


From: Mike Hammett 
Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2014 9:16 AM
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Solar powered repeater kit

I'm interested as well.




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From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, April 8, 2014 11:00:42 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Solar powered repeater kit


Has anyone deployed a solar powered repeater for a single customer?  For 
example, their house is in the middle of a forest but you can provide service 
at the end of their lane. 

This comes up here and there and I'm looking to put together a kit of Nanos, 
solar panels, battery and give the customer the price.  I thought I would ask 
here before reinventing the wheel.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
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Re: [WISPA] Odd Speed Results

2014-04-18 Thread Robert
Ubiquiti web test = udp and Mikrotik = udp or tcp so which are you using
on the Mikrotik side udp or tcp?IF you are using tcp on the Mikrotik
test, most likely you have a lot of packet loss and the tcp is spending
a lot of time in retransmission.   If it's udp vs. udp then start
checking your connections   Test from the UBNT to another UBNT on
the wired side

Robert

On 04/18/2014 01:52 PM, Marlon Schafer (509.982.2181) wrote:
 Look at a difference in rssi levels at each end.  I've seen some of the 
 radios (xr2 and xr5 cards) go weak either on the tx or rx side.  That's a 
 hard one to catch.
 
 Also if it's only 2.4 miles you might have to much power going to them 
 and picking up some multipath.  Try dropping the power down a little bit and 
 see what happens.
 
 marlon
 
 
 -Original Message- 
 From: Scott Reed
 Sent: Monday, April 07, 2014 6:37 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: [WISPA] Odd Speed Results
 
 I have a link using 2 PowerBridges that is about 2.4 miles.  I can get
 56M TCP across the link using the UBNT speed test.
 I have several MTs on one side of the link and a RouterMaxx running MT
 on the other side of the link.  The best I can get between the MTs is
 10M.  The processors are at  30% on each side.
 I am at a total loss as to why I get the radically different speeds.  I
 can not anything that looks odd.  The link used to work really well.
 Not sure when this issue started, but I am thinking it may be getting
 progressively worse.
 Any idea what I should be looking for?
 
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Re: [WISPA] Solar powered repeater kit

2014-04-18 Thread Chris Hudson
+1 I have been buying my panels from Solar Blvd as well.


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div Original message /divdivFrom: Marlon Schafer 
(509.982.2181) o...@odessaoffice.com /divdivDate:04/18/2014  4:41 PM  
(GMT-06:00) /divdivTo: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org 
/divdivSubject: Re: [WISPA] Solar powered repeater kit /divdiv
/divNo.  But I do have a site.
 
http://www.solarblvd.com/ is where I got my last bit of stuff.  250 watts for 
my motorhome.
 
At the time, panels and a 40 amp charge controller *with float charging* was 
around $400.
 
They have pretty high wind load so you’ll need a good structure to hold them 
up.  I’ve also had better luck (so far) with wet cell golf cart 6vdc batteries 
than with anything else.  I get them from the regional Interstate Battery shop, 
factory blems run less than half the cost of new and have a 90 day warranty.
 
Others have done a lot more of this than I have though.
 
marlon
 
 
From: Mike Hammett
Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2014 9:16 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Solar powered repeater kit
 
I'm interested as well.



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From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Tuesday, April 8, 2014 11:00:42 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Solar powered repeater kit

Has anyone deployed a solar powered repeater for a single customer?  For 
example, their house is in the middle of a forest but you can provide service 
at the end of their lane.
 
This comes up here and there and I'm looking to put together a kit of Nanos, 
solar panels, battery and give the customer the price.  I thought I would ask 
here before reinventing the wheel.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

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Re: [WISPA] Solar powered repeater kit

2014-04-18 Thread Robert
Those are the best prices I've seen on panels yet..they are driving
distance...   Granted a full day of driving but hey if it's $600 in
shipping

On 04/18/2014 02:56 PM, Chris Hudson wrote:
 +1 I have been buying my panels from Solar Blvd as well.
 
 
 Sent via the Samsung Galaxy Note® II, an ATT 4G LTE smartphone
 
 
  Original message 
 From: Marlon Schafer (509.982.2181)
 Date:04/18/2014 4:41 PM (GMT-06:00)
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Solar powered repeater kit
 
 No.  But I do have a site.
  
 http://www.solarblvd.com/ is where I got my last bit of stuff.  250
 watts for my motorhome.
  
 At the time, panels and a 40 amp charge controller *with float charging*
 was around $400.
  
 They have pretty high wind load so you’ll need a good structure to hold
 them up.  I’ve also had better luck (so far) with wet cell golf cart
 6vdc batteries than with anything else.  I get them from the regional
 Interstate Battery shop, factory blems run less than half the cost of
 new and have a 90 day warranty.
  
 Others have done a lot more of this than I have though.
  
 marlon
  
  
 *From:* Mike Hammett mailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net
 *Sent:* Tuesday, April 08, 2014 9:16 AM
 *To:* WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Solar powered repeater kit
  
 I'm interested as well.
 
 
 
 -
 Mike Hammett
 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com
 
 
 *From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 *Sent: *Tuesday, April 8, 2014 11:00:42 AM
 *Subject: *[WISPA] Solar powered repeater kit
 
 Has anyone deployed a solar powered repeater for a single customer?  For
 example, their house is in the middle of a forest but you can provide
 service at the end of their lane.
  
 This comes up here and there and I'm looking to put together a kit of
 Nanos, solar panels, battery and give the customer the price.  I thought
 I would ask here before reinventing the wheel.
 
 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
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 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 
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Re: [WISPA] Solar powered repeater kit

2014-04-18 Thread Blair Davis

Now if I could find those prices in the Mid-West...

I mean, the last time I looked it was still around $3-4 a watt.

At a $1 per watt, I have some other uses...

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On 4/18/2014 5:41 PM, Marlon Schafer (509.982.2181) wrote:

No.  But I do have a site.
http://www.solarblvd.com/ is where I got my last bit of stuff.  250 
watts for my motorhome.
At the time, panels and a 40 amp charge controller *with float 
charging* was around $400.
They have pretty high wind load so you'll need a good structure to 
hold them up.  I've also had better luck (so far) with wet cell golf 
cart 6vdc batteries than with anything else.  I get them from the 
regional Interstate Battery shop, factory blems run less than half the 
cost of new and have a 90 day warranty.

Others have done a lot more of this than I have though.
marlon
*From:* Mike Hammett mailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net
*Sent:* Tuesday, April 08, 2014 9:16 AM
*To:* WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Solar powered repeater kit
I'm interested as well.



-
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Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


*From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
*To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
*Sent: *Tuesday, April 8, 2014 11:00:42 AM
*Subject: *[WISPA] Solar powered repeater kit

Has anyone deployed a solar powered repeater for a single customer?  
For example, their house is in the middle of a forest but you can 
provide service at the end of their lane.
This comes up here and there and I'm looking to put together a kit of 
Nanos, solar panels, battery and give the customer the price.  I 
thought I would ask here before reinventing the wheel.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

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[WISPA] Roku 3 Wifi Interference

2014-04-18 Thread Chris Fabien
Has anyone run into this yet?

The Roku 3 uses it's own dedicated wifi network to communicate with the
remote control. If the roku is connected to the customer's wifi router to
get online, the remote wifi will always use the same channel and cause
interference with other wifi devices.

We just had an install today where the router was hearing the interfering
SSID from the roku at a -22. And as you might expect the wifi performance
was garbage.

Just one more thing to look out for and cause support headaches.

The workaround is to plug in the roku via ethernet, which will make it use
the 5ghz band to talk to remote - of course that might interfere with your
5ghz CPE now.

Are IR remotes really all that bad?
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Re: [WISPA] Roku 3 Wifi Interference

2014-04-18 Thread Josh Reynolds

Weird. We give away rokus to our new setups, but not the roku3.

On another note, I bought an amazon fire tv for the house to see how 
well it would stream, and I wonder if it's remote is wifi... never checked.



*Josh Reynolds*
Chief Information Officer
SPITwSPOTS
j...@spitwspots.com | www.spitwspots.com

On 04/18/2014 06:08 PM, Chris Fabien wrote:

Has anyone run into this yet?

The Roku 3 uses it's own dedicated wifi network to communicate with 
the remote control. If the roku is connected to the customer's wifi 
router to get online, the remote wifi will always use the same channel 
and cause interference with other wifi devices.


We just had an install today where the router was hearing the 
interfering SSID from the roku at a -22. And as you might expect the 
wifi performance was garbage.


Just one more thing to look out for and cause support headaches.

The workaround is to plug in the roku via ethernet, which will make it 
use the 5ghz band to talk to remote - of course that might interfere 
with your 5ghz CPE now.


Are IR remotes really all that bad?




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Re: [WISPA] Solar powered repeater kit

2014-04-18 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)
Finding panels under $1/watt are pretty easy, even less in quantity:

http://www.wholesalesolar.com/solar-panels.html

http://www.civicsolar.com/solar-panels

It's getting low enough that I'm actually starting to consider putting in
enough panels to zero out my electric bill as I live in a net metering
state where I can sell kWH back to the utility at par (up to my annual
usage).   1W of panel will generate 1.7kW/year in my climate, or
$0.23cents/year of electricity.   A 5 year payback is $1.15/watt, not
counting all of the incentives.   Aka... 30% federal tax rebate, a similar
local rebate, and incentives of up to $1.50/watt ($6000maximum) from the
local utility.


-forrest



On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 6:35 PM, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net wrote:

  Now if I could find those prices in the Mid-West...

 I mean, the last time I looked it was still around $3-4 a watt.

 At a $1 per watt, I have some other uses...

 --

 On 4/18/2014 5:41 PM, Marlon Schafer (509.982.2181) wrote:

  No.  But I do have a site.

 http://www.solarblvd.com/ is where I got my last bit of stuff.  250 watts
 for my motorhome.

 At the time, panels and a 40 amp charge controller *with float charging*
 was around $400.

 They have pretty high wind load so you'll need a good structure to hold
 them up.  I've also had better luck (so far) with wet cell golf cart 6vdc
 batteries than with anything else.  I get them from the regional Interstate
 Battery shop, factory blems run less than half the cost of new and have a
 90 day warranty.

 Others have done a lot more of this than I have though.

 marlon


  *From:* Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net
 *Sent:* Tuesday, April 08, 2014 9:16 AM
 *To:* WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Solar powered repeater kit

  I'm interested as well.



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 *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org
 *Sent: *Tuesday, April 8, 2014 11:00:42 AM
 *Subject: *[WISPA] Solar powered repeater kit

 Has anyone deployed a solar powered repeater for a single customer?  For
 example, their house is in the middle of a forest but you can provide
 service at the end of their lane.

 This comes up here and there and I'm looking to put together a kit of
 Nanos, solar panels, battery and give the customer the price.  I thought I
 would ask here before reinventing the wheel.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
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Re: [WISPA] Solar powered repeater kit

2014-04-18 Thread Blair Davis

I saw $.57 per watt on that site...

$2300 will buy just about 4kW...

My state is net meter as well.  Forget the the market distorting 
incentive junk, at that price, they may make direct economic sense.


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On 4/18/2014 11:29 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:

Finding panels under $1/watt are pretty easy, even less in quantity:

http://www.wholesalesolar.com/solar-panels.html

http://www.civicsolar.com/solar-panels

It's getting low enough that I'm actually starting to consider putting 
in enough panels to zero out my electric bill as I live in a net 
metering state where I can sell kWH back to the utility at par (up to 
my annual usage).   1W of panel will generate 1.7kW/year in my 
climate, or $0.23cents/year of electricity.   A 5 year payback is 
$1.15/watt, not counting all of the incentives.   Aka... 30% federal 
tax rebate, a similar local rebate, and incentives of up to $1.50/watt 
($6000maximum) from the local utility.



-forrest



On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 6:35 PM, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net 
mailto:the...@wmwisp.net wrote:


Now if I could find those prices in the Mid-West...

I mean, the last time I looked it was still around $3-4 a watt.

At a $1 per watt, I have some other uses...

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On 4/18/2014 5:41 PM, Marlon Schafer (509.982.2181
tel:%28509.982.2181) wrote:

No.  But I do have a site.
http://www.solarblvd.com/ is where I got my last bit of stuff. 
250 watts for my motorhome.

At the time, panels and a 40 amp charge controller *with float
charging* was around $400.
They have pretty high wind load so you'll need a good structure
to hold them up.  I've also had better luck (so far) with wet
cell golf cart 6vdc batteries than with anything else.  I get
them from the regional Interstate Battery shop, factory blems run
less than half the cost of new and have a 90 day warranty.
Others have done a lot more of this than I have though.
marlon
*From:* Mike Hammett mailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net
*Sent:* Tuesday, April 08, 2014 9:16 AM
*To:* WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Solar powered repeater kit
I'm interested as well.



-
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Intelligent Computing Solutions
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*From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
*To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
mailto:wireless@wispa.org
*Sent: *Tuesday, April 8, 2014 11:00:42 AM
*Subject: *[WISPA] Solar powered repeater kit

Has anyone deployed a solar powered repeater for a single
customer? For example, their house is in the middle of a forest
but you can provide service at the end of their lane.
This comes up here and there and I'm looking to put together a
kit of Nanos, solar panels, battery and give the customer the
price.  I thought I would ask here before reinventing the wheel.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

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Re: [WISPA] Solar powered repeater kit

2014-04-18 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account)
The challenge is still the grid-tie inverter, which at this point may
actually be more expensive than the panels themselves.   But the whole
thing is definitely on my short list of home improvement projects.

-forrest


On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 10:18 PM, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net wrote:

  I saw $.57 per watt on that site...

 $2300 will buy just about 4kW...

 My state is net meter as well.  Forget the the market distorting incentive
 junk, at that price, they may make direct economic sense.

 --

 On 4/18/2014 11:29 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:

 Finding panels under $1/watt are pretty easy, even less in quantity:

 http://www.wholesalesolar.com/solar-panels.html

  http://www.civicsolar.com/solar-panels

  It's getting low enough that I'm actually starting to consider putting
 in enough panels to zero out my electric bill as I live in a net metering
 state where I can sell kWH back to the utility at par (up to my annual
 usage).   1W of panel will generate 1.7kW/year in my climate, or
 $0.23cents/year of electricity.   A 5 year payback is $1.15/watt, not
 counting all of the incentives.   Aka... 30% federal tax rebate, a similar
 local rebate, and incentives of up to $1.50/watt ($6000maximum) from the
 local utility.


  -forrest



 On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 6:35 PM, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net wrote:

  Now if I could find those prices in the Mid-West...

 I mean, the last time I looked it was still around $3-4 a watt.

 At a $1 per watt, I have some other uses...

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 On 4/18/2014 5:41 PM, Marlon Schafer (509.982.2181) wrote:

  No.  But I do have a site.

 http://www.solarblvd.com/ is where I got my last bit of stuff.  250
 watts for my motorhome.

 At the time, panels and a 40 amp charge controller *with float charging*
 was around $400.

 They have pretty high wind load so you'll need a good structure to hold
 them up.  I've also had better luck (so far) with wet cell golf cart 6vdc
 batteries than with anything else.  I get them from the regional Interstate
 Battery shop, factory blems run less than half the cost of new and have a
 90 day warranty.

 Others have done a lot more of this than I have though.

 marlon


  *From:* Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net
 *Sent:* Tuesday, April 08, 2014 9:16 AM
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 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Solar powered repeater kit

  I'm interested as well.



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 *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org
 *Sent: *Tuesday, April 8, 2014 11:00:42 AM
 *Subject: *[WISPA] Solar powered repeater kit

 Has anyone deployed a solar powered repeater for a single customer?  For
 example, their house is in the middle of a forest but you can provide
 service at the end of their lane.

 This comes up here and there and I'm looking to put together a kit of
 Nanos, solar panels, battery and give the customer the price.  I thought I
 would ask here before reinventing the wheel.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
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 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

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Re: [WISPA] Solar powered repeater kit

2014-04-18 Thread Robert
And the certified Labor...  Remember that your grid-tie must be done by
an electrician certified by your electric utility or there is hell to
pay...   And those guys know it  Cha-Ching

On 04/18/2014 09:49 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
 The challenge is still the grid-tie inverter, which at this point may
 actually be more expensive than the panels themselves.   But the whole
 thing is definitely on my short list of home improvement projects.
 
 -forrest
 
 
 On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 10:18 PM, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net
 mailto:the...@wmwisp.net wrote:
 
 I saw $.57 per watt on that site...
 
 $2300 will buy just about 4kW...
 
 My state is net meter as well.  Forget the the market distorting
 incentive junk, at that price, they may make direct economic sense.
 
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 On 4/18/2014 11:29 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) wrote:
 Finding panels under $1/watt are pretty easy, even less in quantity:

 http://www.wholesalesolar.com/solar-panels.html

 http://www.civicsolar.com/solar-panels

 It's getting low enough that I'm actually starting to consider
 putting in enough panels to zero out my electric bill as I live in
 a net metering state where I can sell kWH back to the utility at
 par (up to my annual usage).   1W of panel will generate
 1.7kW/year in my climate, or $0.23cents/year of electricity.   A 5
 year payback is $1.15/watt, not counting all of the incentives.  
 Aka... 30% federal tax rebate, a similar local rebate, and
 incentives of up to $1.50/watt ($6000maximum) from the local
 utility.   


 -forrest



 On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 6:35 PM, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net
 mailto:the...@wmwisp.net wrote:

 Now if I could find those prices in the Mid-West...

 I mean, the last time I looked it was still around $3-4 a watt.

 At a $1 per watt, I have some other uses...

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 On 4/18/2014 5:41 PM, Marlon Schafer (509.982.2181
 tel:%28509.982.2181) wrote:
 No.  But I do have a site.
  
 http://www.solarblvd.com/ is where I got my last bit of
 stuff.  250 watts for my motorhome.
  
 At the time, panels and a 40 amp charge controller *with
 float charging* was around $400.
  
 They have pretty high wind load so you’ll need a good
 structure to hold them up.  I’ve also had better luck (so
 far) with wet cell golf cart 6vdc batteries than with
 anything else.  I get them from the regional Interstate
 Battery shop, factory blems run less than half the cost of
 new and have a 90 day warranty.
  
 Others have done a lot more of this than I have though.
  
 marlon
  
  
 *From:* Mike Hammett mailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net
 *Sent:* Tuesday, April 08, 2014 9:16 AM
 *To:* WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org
 *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Solar powered repeater kit
  
 I'm interested as well.



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 Intelligent Computing Solutions
 http://www.ics-il.com

 
 
 *From: *Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
 *To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
 mailto:wireless@wispa.org
 *Sent: *Tuesday, April 8, 2014 11:00:42 AM
 *Subject: *[WISPA] Solar powered repeater kit

 Has anyone deployed a solar powered repeater for a single
 customer?  For example, their house is in the middle of a
 forest but you can provide service at the end of their lane.
  
 This comes up here and there and I'm looking to put together
 a kit of Nanos, solar panels, battery and give the customer
 the price.  I thought I would ask here before reinventing the
 wheel.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340 tel:937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343 tel:937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

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