Re: [WISPA] Will this bother WISPs?

2005-10-28 Thread RickG
I'm off the chart ;P


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Re: [WISPA] Will this bother WISPs?

2005-10-28 Thread Tony Weasler
It looks like I'm about 75ms rtt away from you and at ~1mbps... not
bad for a jaunt through WCG's network which adds about 70ms to the
trip.  My local outgoing connection was 100mbps to AS4323.

 - Tony


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[WISPA] EarthLink wins second muni Wi-Fi contract...Anaheim

2005-10-28 Thread George

http://telephonyonline.com/home/news/earthlink_muni_wifi_102605/
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[WISPA] Real-world RouterOS tuning (or, Atheros/RB532 redux)

2005-10-28 Thread David E. Smith
Okay, I'm a bit puzzled here, and since there are a few folks out there 
playing with these, maybe you'll have some advice.


I just put up a pair of RouterBoard 532s for a heavily-trafficked 
backhaul link. It's about as simple a setup as you can get - just 
Ethernet up to one Atheros, running as an AP, across a 1/2 mile link to 
a client, back down the Ethernet. Simple enough, eh? Since it's just one 
radio hop, I haven't set up WDS or anything fancy, just a few simple 
routing statements to direct traffic from one end to the other.


Using the RouterOS built-in tests, this link claims to be capable of 
almost 40Mbps one-way. I know the tests are somewhat idealized, and 
probably a bit optimistic, but I'm having trouble getting speeds even a 
third of that.


I don't believe it's an RF issue, because it's a short link with good 
antennas. Signal strength is around -58, noise is in the mid-90s. Also, 
when there's no other traffic on the link, I can get the same test 
performance there that I was getting on my workbench, where the built-in 
bandwidth tests report 35+ Mbps.


It's just that the darn boards seem to choke in the face of real-world 
traffic. (My real traffic load is around 10Mbps aggregate, balanced 
about 80-20 between upload and download.)


I've tried hopping around to different frequencies, which I didn't 
expect to help. I've tried both enabling and disabling their proprietary 
NStreme protocol, and enabling/disabling radio compression. I haven't 
yet experimented with M3P (the packet packer protocol option), but I'm 
a bit skeptical on it as well.


The (informal) testing I've done thus far shows the link not really 
handling traffic beyond about 15Mbps or so. (The informal testing was 
done with a few Web-based speed tests. More formal testing, with tools 
like nuttcp or qcheck, will be coming soon, but I'm really skeptical at 
this point.)


Any suggestions on how to further tune the performance on these boards 
would be welcome.


Thanks!

David Smith
MVN.net


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Re: [WISPA] Re: [Fwd: FW: [TVWHITESPACE] My views on 2-4 proposal]

2005-10-28 Thread Ron Wallace
We never know how much help a little arm twisting can be.  
Scriv, Rick, Marlon, and the rest of the board, I'd mention 
their names if I knew them, have done a great job, you guys 
deserve to drown in beer, good beer, that is.  At least as 
good as Milwaukees Best.

Ron Wallace

 Original message 
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 22:41:20 -0500
From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED]  
Subject: [WISPA] Re: [Fwd: FW: [TVWHITESPACE] My views on 2-
4 proposal]  
To: Frannie Wellings [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: wireless@wispa.org

This is fantastic news, Frannie. I have to be honest. I was 
skeptical 
things would progress this far. I owe you a nice dinner the 
next time I 
am in D.C. regardless of the outcome going forward. You did 
us proud 
Frannie. I am copying the WISPA list here so they know their 
efforts are 
being recognized directly at the House level in D.C. 
Hopefully this will 
lead to actual legislative action to task the FCC to do the 
right thing.
Thank you so much,
Scriv

PS. Anyone, please feel free to pass this message along to 
other WISP lists.


Frannie Wellings wrote:

 Hey John,

 Good news!!  An amendment calling on the FCC to finish the 
White 
 Spaces proceeding passed in the House Energy and Commerce 
Committee as 
 part of their Digital Transition bill.  Now we have to see 
what 
 happens on the floor and see what we can get in the 
Senate, but right 
 now this is a terrific first step!
 BTW, all of the members of that House Committee received 
that letter 
 signed by all the WISPs yesterday!

 Here's to progress...

 Best,

 Frannie



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[WISPA] 5GHz interference

2005-10-28 Thread Paul Hendry
Hi guys and gals,

 

Just seeing if anyone has any advise when mounting more than 1
antenna in the same frequency range on a tower. We have just installed a
5.8GHz 120” vert sector at about 47m. Already on the same side of the tower
@ 42m is a 2 foot vert dish also running 5.8GHz. Both are pointing in
roughly the same direction and there is 4 channels separation between them.
I read somewhere on this list that 5 foot separation should be enough but I
am seeing major interference. We have a horizontal dish also on this tower
for a critical link so changing the dish to horizontal is not an option.
Also, the tower is full of high frequency dishes and mobile antennas so
there isn’t much chance of moving either antennas to a different height.
Anyone got any ideas??

 

Cheers,

 

P.


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RE: [WISPA] Re: [Fwd: FW: [TVWHITESPACE] My views on 2-4 proposal]

2005-10-28 Thread Cliff














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We never know how much help a little arm twisting can be. 

Scriv, Rick, Marlon, and the rest of the board, I'd mention 

their names if I knew them, have done a great job, you guys 

deserve to drown in beer, good beer, that is. At least as 

good as Milwaukees Best.



Ron Wallace



 Original message 

Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 22:41:20 -0500

From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Subject: [WISPA] Re: [Fwd: FW: [TVWHITESPACE] My views on 2-

4 proposal] 

To: Frannie Wellings [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Cc: wireless@wispa.org



This is fantastic news, Frannie. I have to be honest. I was 

skeptical 

things would progress this far. I owe you a nice dinner the 

next time I 

am in D.C. regardless of the outcome going forward. You did 

us proud 

Frannie. I am copying the WISPA list here so they know their 

efforts are 

being recognized directly at the House level in D.C. 

Hopefully this will 

lead to actual legislative action to task the FCC to do the 

right thing.

Thank you so much,

Scriv



PS. Anyone, please feel free to pass this message along to 

other WISP lists.





Frannie Wellings wrote:



 Hey John,



 Good news!! An
amendment calling on the FCC to finish the 

White 

 Spaces proceeding passed in the House Energy and Commerce 

Committee as 

 part of their Digital Transition bill. Now we have to see 

what 

 happens on the floor and see what we can get in the 

Senate, but right 

 now this is a terrific first step!

 BTW, all of the members of that House Committee received 

that letter 

 signed by all the WISPs yesterday!



 Here's to progress...



 Best,



 Frannie







 John Scrivner wrote:









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Re: [WISPA] 5GHz interference

2005-10-28 Thread Lonnie Nunweiler
Are you sure the interference is caused by the other dish?  We have
systems much closer than 15 foot apart and see no ill effects.

With all the other gear on that tower could you in fact be seeing
interference from something else?

Lonnie

On 10/28/05, Paul Hendry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi guys and gals,



Just seeing if anyone has any advise when mounting more than 1
 antenna in the same frequency range on a tower. We have just installed a
 5.8GHz 120 vert sector at about 47m. Already on the same side of the tower
 @ 42m is a 2 foot vert dish also running 5.8GHz. Both are pointing in
 roughly the same direction and there is 4 channels separation between them.
 I read somewhere on this list that 5 foot separation should be enough but I
 am seeing major interference. We have a horizontal dish also on this tower
 for a critical link so changing the dish to horizontal is not an option.
 Also, the tower is full of high frequency dishes and mobile antennas so
 there isn't much chance of moving either antennas to a different height.
 Anyone got any ideas??



 Cheers,



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RE: [WISPA] 5GHz interference

2005-10-28 Thread Paul Hendry
I don't believe so as all the other kit is either mobile operators or +28GHz
although I haven't fully tested yet. However, I do know that if I set the
new 120' superpass sector to be a client of the Radiowaves 28db parabolic
dish it shows a quality of around 30db whilst the normal client (another
Radiowaves 28db parabolic 18km away) only shows 26db.

Are any of your systems that are 15 foot apart a sector above a dish
pointing in roughly the same direction?

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Lonnie Nunweiler
Sent: 28 October 2005 21:16
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5GHz interference

Are you sure the interference is caused by the other dish?  We have
systems much closer than 15 foot apart and see no ill effects.

With all the other gear on that tower could you in fact be seeing
interference from something else?

Lonnie

On 10/28/05, Paul Hendry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi guys and gals,



Just seeing if anyone has any advise when mounting more than 1
 antenna in the same frequency range on a tower. We have just installed a
 5.8GHz 120 vert sector at about 47m. Already on the same side of the
tower
 @ 42m is a 2 foot vert dish also running 5.8GHz. Both are pointing in
 roughly the same direction and there is 4 channels separation between
them.
 I read somewhere on this list that 5 foot separation should be enough but
I
 am seeing major interference. We have a horizontal dish also on this tower
 for a critical link so changing the dish to horizontal is not an option.
 Also, the tower is full of high frequency dishes and mobile antennas so
 there isn't much chance of moving either antennas to a different height.
 Anyone got any ideas??



 Cheers,



 P.


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Re: [WISPA] 5GHz interference

2005-10-28 Thread Lonnie Nunweiler
We use 3 foot dishes and 21 dB patches, and yes they point in roughly
the same direction.  We don't have that many 120 sectors so I have no
experience.  The 21 dB patches are only 12 degrees wide so maybe that
is part of why we see such low interaction.

Lonnie

On 10/28/05, Paul Hendry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I don't believe so as all the other kit is either mobile operators or +28GHz
 although I haven't fully tested yet. However, I do know that if I set the
 new 120' superpass sector to be a client of the Radiowaves 28db parabolic
 dish it shows a quality of around 30db whilst the normal client (another
 Radiowaves 28db parabolic 18km away) only shows 26db.

 Are any of your systems that are 15 foot apart a sector above a dish
 pointing in roughly the same direction?

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
 Behalf Of Lonnie Nunweiler
 Sent: 28 October 2005 21:16
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 Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5GHz interference

 Are you sure the interference is caused by the other dish?  We have
 systems much closer than 15 foot apart and see no ill effects.

 With all the other gear on that tower could you in fact be seeing
 interference from something else?

 Lonnie

 On 10/28/05, Paul Hendry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hi guys and gals,
 
 
 
 Just seeing if anyone has any advise when mounting more than 1
  antenna in the same frequency range on a tower. We have just installed a
  5.8GHz 120 vert sector at about 47m. Already on the same side of the
 tower
  @ 42m is a 2 foot vert dish also running 5.8GHz. Both are pointing in
  roughly the same direction and there is 4 channels separation between
 them.
  I read somewhere on this list that 5 foot separation should be enough but
 I
  am seeing major interference. We have a horizontal dish also on this tower
  for a critical link so changing the dish to horizontal is not an option.
  Also, the tower is full of high frequency dishes and mobile antennas so
  there isn't much chance of moving either antennas to a different height.
  Anyone got any ideas??
 
 
 
  Cheers,
 
 
 
  P.
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] 5GHz interference

2005-10-28 Thread George

Paul Hendry wrote:

Hi guys and gals,

 


Just seeing if anyone has any advise when mounting more than 1
antenna in the same frequency range on a tower. We have just installed a
5.8GHz 120” vert sector at about 47m. Already on the same side of the tower
@ 42m is a 2 foot vert dish also running 5.8GHz. Both are pointing in
roughly the same direction and there is 4 channels separation between them.
I read somewhere on this list that 5 foot separation should be enough but I
am seeing major interference. We have a horizontal dish also on this tower
for a critical link so changing the dish to horizontal is not an option.
Also, the tower is full of high frequency dishes and mobile antennas so
there isn’t much chance of moving either antennas to a different height.
Anyone got any ideas??

 


Cheers,

 


P.




Paul

http://www.oregonfast.net/gofast/ap/Tower/Tower%20and%20truck%20007.jpg

2 5.8 trangos maybe 3' apart.

And I have added recently 2- 5.3 star-os wrap sectors in between those 2 
antennas.


20' away is another proxim 5'3 backhaul.
All pointing to the same area.

Maybe you have a bad pigtail or connection?


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RE: [WISPA] 5GHz interference

2005-10-28 Thread Paul Hendry
Is there any chance of interference from the mobile antennas? There are a
couple real close to the new sector but I didn't think 900mhz would affect a
CM9 running at 5.8??

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Behalf Of George
Sent: 29 October 2005 00:09
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5GHz interference

Paul Hendry wrote:
 Hi guys and gals,
 
  
 
 Just seeing if anyone has any advise when mounting more than 1
 antenna in the same frequency range on a tower. We have just installed a
 5.8GHz 120” vert sector at about 47m. Already on the same side of the
tower
 @ 42m is a 2 foot vert dish also running 5.8GHz. Both are pointing in
 roughly the same direction and there is 4 channels separation between
them.
 I read somewhere on this list that 5 foot separation should be enough but
I
 am seeing major interference. We have a horizontal dish also on this tower
 for a critical link so changing the dish to horizontal is not an option.
 Also, the tower is full of high frequency dishes and mobile antennas so
 there isn’t much chance of moving either antennas to a different height.
 Anyone got any ideas??
 
  
 
 Cheers,
 
  
 
 P.
 
 

Paul

http://www.oregonfast.net/gofast/ap/Tower/Tower%20and%20truck%20007.jpg

2 5.8 trangos maybe 3' apart.

And I have added recently 2- 5.3 star-os wrap sectors in between those 2 
antennas.

20' away is another proxim 5'3 backhaul.
All pointing to the same area.

Maybe you have a bad pigtail or connection?


George

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RE: [WISPA] 5GHz interference

2005-10-28 Thread Rick Smith

How much you expecting to get outta that sector ? 

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Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 4:11 PM
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Subject: [WISPA] 5GHz interference

Hi guys and gals,

 

Just seeing if anyone has any advise when mounting more than
1 antenna in the same frequency range on a tower. We have just installed
a 5.8GHz 120 vert sector at about 47m. Already on the same side of the
tower @ 42m is a 2 foot vert dish also running 5.8GHz. Both are pointing
in roughly the same direction and there is 4 channels separation between
them.
I read somewhere on this list that 5 foot separation should be enough
but I am seeing major interference. We have a horizontal dish also on
this tower for a critical link so changing the dish to horizontal is not
an option.
Also, the tower is full of high frequency dishes and mobile antennas so
there isn't much chance of moving either antennas to a different height.
Anyone got any ideas??

 

Cheers,

 

P.


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Re: [WISPA] 5GHz interference

2005-10-28 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
Interference distance with antennas will depend on a lot of factors. 
Antenna type, radio type, protocol etc. etc. etc.


As a rule, with that much channel separation I'd think that you'd not see 
interference.


I'm guessing you have something else going on.  Have you tried, just for 
kicks, to move to a closer channel?  I've got some sites where there's so 
much outside interference that my best performance is with all radios on the 
same channel.


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Paul Hendry wrote:

Hi guys and gals,

 Just seeing if anyone has any advise when mounting more than 1
antenna in the same frequency range on a tower. We have just installed a
5.8GHz 120” vert sector at about 47m. Already on the same side of the 
tower

@ 42m is a 2 foot vert dish also running 5.8GHz. Both are pointing in
roughly the same direction and there is 4 channels separation between 
them.
I read somewhere on this list that 5 foot separation should be enough but 
I
am seeing major interference. We have a horizontal dish also on this 
tower

for a critical link so changing the dish to horizontal is not an option.
Also, the tower is full of high frequency dishes and mobile antennas so
there isn’t much chance of moving either antennas to a different height.
Anyone got any ideas??

 Cheers,

 P.




Paul

http://www.oregonfast.net/gofast/ap/Tower/Tower%20and%20truck%20007.jpg

2 5.8 trangos maybe 3' apart.

And I have added recently 2- 5.3 star-os wrap sectors in between those 2 
antennas.


20' away is another proxim 5'3 backhaul.
All pointing to the same area.

Maybe you have a bad pigtail or connection?


George

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