[WISPA] Chat List
I have seen some degradation of the content of the WISPA list server of late. A little humor and off topic chatter is ok but we probably need to improve our signal to noise ratio just a little bit guys please. Let's all step up the level of professionalism required to keep the list a vital part of our business. We do have a chat list that is designed to be a place to just chat about anything on your mind. You can signup for it by going to http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/chat and then you can tell jokes, discuss politics, slam each other's heritage ( not really) and whatever else not related to the business of running a WISP or improving policy you like as long as it does not turn into a battle royal. WISPA has been working to gain some vendor membership as well as asking other WISPs to join. If this list looks like nothing but a "text bar" then we will not attract others to this forum and we need others with information and dues that can help us. Thanks guys, Scriv -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Re: Wireless Digest, Vol 17, Issue 11
WALT, If you find yourself in central California. Save my number and CALL! As anyone around here knows, I know all the pest places to eat and drink! Chuck Profito 209.988.7388 CV-ACCESS, INC [EMAIL PROTECTED] Providing High Speed Broadband to Rural California -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 7:26 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Re: Wireless Digest, Vol 17, Issue 11 Right-a real salesman. I have helped several members with my contacts without receiving a cent. It is okay when you all wanted last year and not only did I give twice, I emailed about 100 friends and some of them did too. So I was down in the area and thought that if any of the WISPA members were around, it would be nice to meet them. I will remember that for next time. Walter In a message dated 7/12/2006 11:51:16 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Message: 5 Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 21:36:53 -0500 From: Cliff Leboeuf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [WISPA] New Orleans To: WISPA General List Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Mac, Walter seemed to be a sales rep... I was hoping to send him over the edge. :) There really is nothing South of New Orleans. (hehe) - Cliff On 7/11/06 9:26 PM, "Mac Dearman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Cliff, > > You know you are going to confuse folks by telling them you are South of New > Orleans! That is supposed to be the Gulf J The majority of mankind don¹t > realize you can drive for hours South of New Orleans. (Although it¹s not > recommended) > > > > Mac > > > > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > Of Cliff Leboeuf > Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 9:01 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] New Orleans > > Walter, who you looking for in New Orleans? I¹m about 50 miles to the SW. > > > On 7/11/06 8:12 PM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I am down here for 2 days-any one else around? > > Walter W. Stumpf Jr. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Re: Wireless Digest, Vol 17, Issue 11
I have spoken to a few people about this, because I see it on many lists. Razzing or ragging on your paying vendors is kind of dumb. If the vendor is willing to support the organization, why would you discourage them? Do you have people lining up to support your org? As someone who has helped run associations, getting members and vendors to join and pay dues is HARD! Regards, Peter 4isps.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Right-a real salesman. I have helped several members with my contacts without receiving a cent. It is okay when you all wanted last year and not only did I give twice, I emailed about 100 friends and some of them did too. So I was down in the area and thought that if any of the WISPA members were around, it would be nice to meet them. I will remember that for next time. Walter -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Service in AR
Any body provide service at: 12006 E. State Hwy 22 Subiaco, AR 72865 Chuck Profito 209.988.7388 CV-ACCESS, INC [EMAIL PROTECTED] Providing High Speed Broadband to Rural California -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Re: Wireless Digest, Vol 17, Issue 11
Right-a real salesman. I have helped several members with my contacts without receiving a cent. It is okay when you all wanted last year and not only did I give twice, I emailed about 100 friends and some of them did too. So I was down in the area and thought that if any of the WISPA members were around, it would be nice to meet them. I will remember that for next time. Walter In a message dated 7/12/2006 11:51:16 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Message: 5Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 21:36:53 -0500From: Cliff Leboeuf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Subject: Re: [WISPA] New OrleansTo: WISPA General List Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"Mac, Walter seemed to be a sales rep... I was hoping to send him over the edge.:) There really is nothing South of New Orleans. (hehe)- CliffOn 7/11/06 9:26 PM, "Mac Dearman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> Cliff,> > You know you are going to confuse folks by telling them you are South of New> Orleans! That is supposed to be the Gulf J The majority of mankind don¹t> realize you can drive for hours South of New Orleans. (Although it¹s not> recommended)> > > > Mac> > > > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf> Of Cliff Leboeuf> Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2006 9:01 PM> To: WISPA General List> Subject: Re: [WISPA] New Orleans> > Walter, who you looking for in New Orleans? I¹m about 50 miles to the SW.> > > On 7/11/06 8:12 PM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> I am down here for 2 days-any one else around?> > Walter W. Stumpf Jr. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Clearwire Comment on AT&T/BS Merger
I've read it. Their focus is divestiture of BS's 2.5 GHz spectrum (and to a lesser extent the 2.3 GHz spectrum held by AT&T and BS). They filed comments on 6/5 and reply comments on 6/20. Several other parties made the same arguments, but Clearwire's are the strongest and most detailed.In the interest of full disclosure, I'm a telecom attorney. In addition to having WISP clients, I am representing PaeTec in the AT&T/BS merger proceeding and filed comments on their behalf. Call me at 301-933-7216 if you want to talk about the Clearwire filings.Mark Del BiancoFrank Muto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Has any one read the Clearwire comment posted on the AT&T/BS merger petition, 06-74?http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/retrieve.cgi?native_or_pdf=pdf&id_document=6518374295Frank MutoCo-founder - Washington Bureau for ISP Advocacy - WBIATelecom Summit Ad Hoc Committeehttp://gigabytemarch.blog.com/ www.wbia.us-- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/Mark Del Bianco3929 Washington St.Kensington, MD 20895301-933-7216This e-mail and any attachments thereto, is intended only for use by the named addressee(s) and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email, and any attachments thereto, is strictly prohibited. If you receive this email in error, please immediately notify me at (301) 933-7216 and permanently delete the original copy and any copy of any e-mail, and any printout thereof.-- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Clearwire Comment on AT&T/BS Merger
Frank, Interesting Comments. I believe there would be benefit to publicly supporting part of Clearwire's petition but with a different twist. Clearwire makes good points on why BS/ATT should not keep 2.5Ghz spectrum after the merger. However their suggestion for what to do with it (2.5Ghz spectrum) is self serving. If anything brings forward the threat that Clearwire is trying to become to third party independent ISP or WISPs. I propose that WISPA sends comments that adds that the merger should be prevented for many of the anti-competitive reasons listed, but add, that if it were to be passed, the 2.5Ghz should not be allowed to go with it, and should be donated to the competitive industry for Unlicensed Wireless, to compensate the third party competitors that would be most harmed by the merger and foster optimal competition. Giving more license spectrum to specifically one individual such as Clearwire, would be hippocritical and not serving competition optimally. Quite honestly, I'd rather see ATT sit on the spectrum than to allow a well financed WISP have it all to themselves to gain a competitive advantage. Or kept licensed, and donated to a third party non-profit for experiemental licensing projects. For example, kept license, but not allow any one entity to purchase over 5% of the spectrum licenses. To foster more wireless startups that are not nationwide monopolies. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Frank Muto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization'" Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 7:44 AM Subject: [WISPA] Clearwire Comment on AT&T/BS Merger Has any one read the Clearwire comment posted on the AT&T/BS merger petition, 06-74? http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/retrieve.cgi?native_or_pdf=pdf&id_document=6518374295 Frank Muto Co-founder - Washington Bureau for ISP Advocacy - WBIA Telecom Summit Ad Hoc Committee http://gigabytemarch.blog.com/ www.wbia.us -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Flying a path
In case anyone is interested in flying over a wireless path using Google Earth, I have attached an example KML file of how to do it. -Matt http://earth.google.com/kml/2.1";> Path1.1 root://icons/palette-5.png 32 32 Path Line 1.1 -84.3353 33.9211 69 -163 674 1 relativeToGround -84.335051,33.920523,135.3312 -84.3840,33.7883,182.88 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ 4
[WISPA] service availability
If anyone can service these addresses with a dedicated 1.5Mbps wireless link to replace a T1 please contact me offlist. 13809 N Hwy 183 AUSTIN, TX 78750 9301 AMBERGLEN BLVD AUSTIN, TX 78729 N. Hope Street Covington, TN 38019 402 BNA Drive NASHVILLE, TN 37217 118 SEABOARD LANE, SUITE 118 FRANKLIN, TN 37067 4003 HELTON DRIVE FLORENCE, AL 35630 600 JOHN ALDRIDGE AVE TUSCUMBIA, AL 35674 -Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] US, Japan to Lead Mobile TV Market, Contributing to Worldwide Revenues of $11.7bn by 2011
US, Japan to Lead Mobile TV Market, Contributing to Worldwide Revenues of $11.7bn by 2011 A new report from analyst firm Juniper Research predicts that Broadcast Mobile TV will reach revenues of $11.7bn worldwide by 2011. Japan is predicted to lead the market with revenues reaching $2.9bn and the US will follow closely at $1.8bn. The UK is also predicted to be a key market at $989m. Hampshire, UK (PRWEB) July 10, 2006 -- A new report from analyst firm Juniper Research predicts that Broadcast Mobile TV will reach revenues of $11.7bn worldwide by 2011. Japan is predicted to lead the market with revenues reaching $2.9bn and the US will follow closely at $1.8bn. The UK is also predicted to be a key market at $989m. Although Japan is initially offering a free service on its ISDB-T ‘One Seg’ network, Juniper Research predicts that it will start charging for the service in 2008. Japan, US and UK markets are prime breeding grounds for mobile television viewing mainly because of the large appetite for TV viewing. Although South Korea has had a head start in broadcast Mobile TV with its DMB efforts, Japan and the US will overtake it in terms of the number of subscribers, purely based on the larger mobile subscriber base. Of the overall broadcast Mobile TV subscriber market Japan, US and South Korea will make up 39%, with the other major markets being Germany, Italy, UK, India and China, making up 36% by 2011. Juniper Research has short listed 26 key countries/regions around the world for broadcast Mobile TV services. Aditya Kaul, Senior Analyst at Juniper Research and report author stated that, “2006 has been an interesting year for Mobile TV with a large number of announcements concerning broadcast Mobile TV trials and rollouts, many of them timed with the World Cup in mind. The key highlights have been an increased uptake in streamed Mobile TV services and surprising results from broadcast Mobile TV trials, showing a dramatic increase in the average time spent by the consumer on watching Mobile TV” However, there is still some skepticism in the degree of success for broadcast Mobile TV. “Broadcast Mobile TV is definitely a step in the right direction but its success will depend on many factors such as the type of content, content rights, security, spectrum availability, business models, regulation and quality of indoor coverage”, Aditya adds. A whitepaper and further details of the new study ‘Mobile TV: The Opportunity for Streamed and Broadcast Services, 2006-2011 (second edition)’ is available at www.juniperresearch.com. Alternatively contact Michele Ince at e-mail protected from spam bots, Telephone +44 (0) 1256 830002/476200. Juniper Research is a leading analyst firm offering analytical services and consultancy to the global hi-tech communications sector. --- --- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Broadband internet connections increased by 10.4 million lines in 2005 and voip use is expected to more than triple, as a result.
Boca Raton, FL (PRWEB) July 17, 2006 -- voip.com - The Federal Communications Commission (FCC) reports a 32% increase in the number of US broadband subscribers during 2005, giving the US the highest total number of broadband connections in the world. As of June 30, 2005, the FCC has redefined broadband or high-speed lines as services that deliver connection speeds in excess of 200 kilobits per second (kbps) in at least one direction. They further expand that definition to include advanced service lines where connection speeds exceed 200 kbps in both directions. This clarification allows for more detailed data collection regarding broadband penetration and trends. All facilities-based broadband providers are now required to report basic information to the FCC, such as services offered and types of customers served. Before the June 30, 2005 change, those service providers with fewer than 250 high-speed connections were not obligated to report data. Nearly 90% of the 42.9 million reported high-speed lines were residential, with cable modems servicing 61% of that market and ADSL accounting for 37.2%. The remainder consists of SDSL at 0.4%, fiber connections to the end user's location at 0.2%, and 1.1% for other methods of connection like satellite, electric power line, and terrestrial fixed or mobile wireless. Advanced services lines showed a 60% increase in subscribers, bringing the total number of broadband lines with both upstream and downstream speeds in excess of 200 kbps to 37.7 million primarily residential lines. Of these, 61.8% had speeds of at least 2.5 mbps in the fastest direction, generally downstream. As with high-speed lines, the majority of subscribers are being serviced by cable modems (64.9%), while only 33.9% reported using ASDL lines, and 0.5% were symmetric DSL (SDSL) or traditional wireline connections. Fiber connections accounted for 0.2% of the whole, while other types of connections came in at 0.5%. This includes satellite, electric power line, and terrestrial fixed or mobile wireless. Due to this trend of increasing broadband penetration, US voice over IP (voip) users are expected to more than triple in the next 4 years, jumping from 10.3 million to 44 million in 2010. Voip requires a minimum of 90 kbps in both directions to work. Broadband speed can be checked using voip.com's bandwidth tester at [http://www.voip.com/speedtest.aspx http://www.voip.com/speedtest.aspx. --- --- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Anyone mixing fiber with your wireless deployments?
Hi Mike!!! I'm glad to see you made it onto the list. For those that don't know him, Mike is the owner of Electro-comm. Sharp guy and has a LOT of industry contacts. Help me beat up on him and get him to officially sign EC up! grin laters, Marlon(509) 982-2181 Equipment sales(408) 907-6910 (Vonage) Consulting services42846865 (icq) And I run my own wisp!64.146.146.12 (net meeting)www.odessaoffice.com/wirelesswww.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Mike Brownson To: WISPA General List Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 10:25 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anyone mixing fiber with your wireless deployments? We've got a few customers that are mainly fiber carriers and use wireless to extend off that. The fiber business is a whole differnet animal. It can be good, but requires that you really understand what business you're getting into. Especially if you are leasing capacity to other carriers, the audit requirements can get fairly hefty. Most of the fiber folks I know of use the fiber as the primary backhaul for their wireless system and for direct drops into the biggest customers. In one example a school disctict actaully paid for the installation of the fiber to hit all their schools (over 100 miles) but the WISP still owned it and was able to add additional strands for a little extra $. But the school ended picking up 90%+ of the total cost. Now that makes the ROI look much better.Mike BJohn J. Thomas wrote: Multi mode fiber can go 550 meters, single mode can go 70 kilometers or more between repeaters. John -Original Message- From: Sam Tetherow [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 10:04 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anyone mixing fiber with your wireless deployments? Marlon, how would you have done the ethernet? I thought you were restricted to basically 300 feet of ethernet without a switch/router/booster every 300 feet or so, or am I missing something? I have pole rights in town a $1/pole/yr so I'm trying to find an affordable use of them. Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: We use dry copper, wireless, fiber and dsl for backhaul. I've not built my own fiber yet. I'm sure the day is coming though. I really screwed up a few years ago. The town had the sidewalks all out down town. I should have found the money and put some conduit in at that time. I could have ethernet or fiber connections to all of the down town businesses today! sigh Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: "Mike Delp" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 11:31 AM Subject: [WISPA] Anyone mixing fiber with your wireless deployments? I am looking to talk with someone that has laid some fiber to complement their wireless operations. We have a couple of leads we are looking at making some short hop backbones between towers, and having the cities get involved as a customer of fiber, and hopefully it will pay for the venture. On or off list replys welcome. Thanks Mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Mike Brownson Electro-comm Distributing 5015 Paris St Denver, CO 80239 www.electro-comm.com (303) 371-8182 x112, (800) 525-0173 Your 24x7 support staff is at www.ShopECBIZ.com Interested in Metro WiFi? We have solutions Coming soon from Tranzeo, 900MHz PtMP -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Off Topic WTC & 911
It won't Blair. I think one of wispa's biggest benefits right now is a good mail list. I think we'd all like to keep it that way. Talk all of the politics etc. that you want on the chat list. grin Marlon(509) 982-2181 Equipment sales(408) 907-6910 (Vonage) Consulting services42846865 (icq) And I run my own wisp!64.146.146.12 (net meeting)www.odessaoffice.com/wirelesswww.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Blair Davis To: WISPA General List Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 11:03 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Off Topic WTC & 911 Nothing personal meant or intended. I apologize for any insult you perceived.I am a member of several forums on current events and such. I spend way too much time debunking tin foil 9/11 stuff. My work discussion lists are a 'haven' from that stuff..As to general list, yes it is, but it has always seemed to have a focus on wireless and ISP matters I hope it doesn't degenerate in to politics and suchMac Dearman wrote: This is the "GENERAL" list! It's made for general matters as well as wireless stuff :-) Pay your dues and get on the real WISPA list :-) where the tin foil hat stuff is not posted. Mac Dearman -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Blair Davis Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 12:50 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Off Topic WTC & 911 I hate to ask, but can we keep the TIN FOIL HAT stuff off this list? I'm here to talk about wireless and ISP matters Mac Dearman wrote: I know this is completely off any topic on list, but I felt compelled to share this link (streaming video) with the masses here. Forgive me if I am too far out of line. If you think you knew what was going on during the WTC crisis and the Pentagon - - you better take another look at this and rethink your position on everything as you can see more of the facts with this documentary. Be prepared to sit a while as its pretty long, but full of "common sense" logic. http://www.loosechange911.com/ Mac Dearman -- Blair Davis AOL IM Screen Name -- Theory240 West Michigan Wireless ISP 269-686-8648 A division of: Camp Communication Services, INC -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Clearwire Comment on AT&T/BS Merger
Has any one read the Clearwire comment posted on the AT&T/BS merger petition, 06-74? http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/retrieve.cgi?native_or_pdf=pdf&id_document=6518374295 Frank Muto Co-founder - Washington Bureau for ISP Advocacy - WBIA Telecom Summit Ad Hoc Committee http://gigabytemarch.blog.com/ www.wbia.us -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
