RE: [WISPA] MiniPCI wireless card recommendation...
Lonnie is correct, the corner port is marked AUX and assumed it was antenna B. I was connected to the port marked Main and was trying to use antenna A. All just backward. My original testing was at close ranges and the difference was not noticeable. Mark -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lonnie Nunweiler Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 9:09 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI wireless card recommendation... We set our software to use antenna A which is the corner antenna connector on the CM9 and the WLM54G. The WLM54G calls that antenna the secondary, so we are accepting it as a mis-marked part, or marked for another application. We see no difference between A and B in terms of performance. Lonnie On 9/15/06, chris cooper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Can anyone else confirm/deny this? > > Thanks > Chris > > I thought the issue was that the cards are mis marked. Marked back > wards. The outside corner is actually antenna port "A" . Card says B > > George > > Anthony Will wrote: > > It looks like he is talking about the antenna ports on the mPCI card. > > > There are generally two u.fl or some combo u.fl and sma, etc. He is > > stating that if you utilize the wrong port on the card then what is > > configured you will loss 20+db of signal. It also looks like the > > WLM54AG's have an issue where they loss some signal if you utilize the > > > secondary port / b port on the card. FYI I have not used the WLM54AG > > card as of yet. Sticking with my old reliable cm9's and SR5's > > > > > -- > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > -- Lonnie Nunweiler Valemount Networks Corporation http://www.star-os.com/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This electronic communication (including any attached document) may contain privileged and/or confidential information. This communication is intended only for the use of indicated e-mail addressees. If you are not an intended recipient of this communication, please be advised that any disclosure, dissemination, distribution, copying, or other use of this communication or any attached document is prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and promptly destroy all electronic and printed copies of this communication and any attached document. Unauthorized interception of this e-mail is a violation of federal criminal law. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MT power supplies THE SOLUTION
Good points. Likely I will not touch it again unless it breaks. I'll try to get a make on the "good" cable, but I know the cheap stuff I ran yesterday is the arc wireless shielded, flooded, drainwire, I picked up 6 months ago when it was $69 a roll. Brian Tom DeReggi wrote: So the question that arises, is why did that fix it? I see two possibilities 1) Poor quality cable or cable shields. (Loss running Ethernet data parallel to power) 2) Sharing a CAT5 jack on the 532 main board for Power and Data. Travis previously talked about the horrid RF interferrence that the 532 board generated when using 48V, due to the 532 onboard power converter/supply. I'm wondering if the distortion/loss was at the board itself apposed to cable? It would have been interesting to know, if you used one cable for both data and power, but terminated the data pairs to a different Ethernet port instead of the POE port used for power. What also would have been interesting would have been to know wether a 18V power supply would have worked on a shared single cable. Different ethernet chipsets do have different characteristics and ranges. So it is possible that just the different chip made the difference based on compatibilty or characteristics of chip. But the other reasons are just as probable. What brand (not just shield type) cable were you using? I realize that you would not likely pursue additional tests as you found a fix already, but it would be interesting to know, just so we can keep collecting data should we experience similar problems in the future. We had a similar situation that was due to chipset. We ran 10 mbps ethernet 550 feet to our subscriber. (different radio brand). We used a slightly higher power voltage to make up for cable loss. Our laptops worked great over the link. The customer's 3 identical routers could not stay connected for long. We were not sure if it was a speed autodetection issue, or the distance for the chip to work. We installed a 10mbps Cisco Switch in between their router and our cable dmarc in their premise, and it all worked. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Brian Rohrbacher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 9:20 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT power supplies THE SOLUTION I started with RB 532 on tower. It comes down 265 feet to poe injector to router. Major packet loss. 2) switched RB 532 out. No change. 3) Created test setup on ground with "bad board" and it looked fine. (from laptop--6ft cablepoe265 ft---RB) 4) Blamed it on the cable, and got a cable certifier from a friend. 5) Right before climb, I re did the test setup on the ground. This time I plugged the 265 feet into the actual router instead of my laptop. The problen was back. (I was bummed) 6) One final test. Get another 265 foot cable. I used 265ft for power and 265ft for data to eth 2 or 3. Problem solved. I can only speculate that the chipset on RB 532 poe port is diffrent from the chipset on eth 2/3. And for whatever reason it was not compatable with cable, hardware, ect.setup. I may never know for sure why, but I have the workaround. Good enough for me. FWIW I ended up pulling 2 new cables (all 3 certified fine). I used the original cable for data (it has "real" shield) I used my new 2 (cheapo foil shield) for power and slapped the other into eth3 for the heck of it. Lessons learned for next time. Measure cable, crimp, and power up on ground using the EXACT same everything as what the final deployment will have. And then test. Hope that sums it all up. Ok to directly answer your question. Yes. I did this on the ground test unit. Brian Rohrbacher Paul Hendry wrote: Brian, Just out of interest, did you try running both power and data over the new cable and did you still see the same issue? P. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: 15 September 2006 02:43 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT power supplies THE SOLUTION First off. I'm back to a 48v 420mA power supply. To the solution. I ran another cat5 up the tower and plugged it into the RB 532. Now I have one cable for poe and one cable for data, and it all works fine. And check this. My headache went away as soon as the problem did. :) Problem solved. NEXT! Brian Tom DeReggi wrote: Amps don't mean a thing without disclosing Volts, Consider Watts instead. 1300mA at 3V is much different than 1300mA at 18V. The mPCI slot (SR5) is 3.3V. Power to the Motherboard is from 12-48V. W=V*A Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Mark McElvy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 8:19 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] MT power supplies I
Re: [WISPA] MT power supplies THE SOLUTION
So the question that arises, is why did that fix it? I see two possibilities 1) Poor quality cable or cable shields. (Loss running Ethernet data parallel to power) 2) Sharing a CAT5 jack on the 532 main board for Power and Data. Travis previously talked about the horrid RF interferrence that the 532 board generated when using 48V, due to the 532 onboard power converter/supply. I'm wondering if the distortion/loss was at the board itself apposed to cable? It would have been interesting to know, if you used one cable for both data and power, but terminated the data pairs to a different Ethernet port instead of the POE port used for power. What also would have been interesting would have been to know wether a 18V power supply would have worked on a shared single cable. Different ethernet chipsets do have different characteristics and ranges. So it is possible that just the different chip made the difference based on compatibilty or characteristics of chip. But the other reasons are just as probable. What brand (not just shield type) cable were you using? I realize that you would not likely pursue additional tests as you found a fix already, but it would be interesting to know, just so we can keep collecting data should we experience similar problems in the future. We had a similar situation that was due to chipset. We ran 10 mbps ethernet 550 feet to our subscriber. (different radio brand). We used a slightly higher power voltage to make up for cable loss. Our laptops worked great over the link. The customer's 3 identical routers could not stay connected for long. We were not sure if it was a speed autodetection issue, or the distance for the chip to work. We installed a 10mbps Cisco Switch in between their router and our cable dmarc in their premise, and it all worked. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Brian Rohrbacher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 9:20 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT power supplies THE SOLUTION I started with RB 532 on tower. It comes down 265 feet to poe injector to router. Major packet loss. 2) switched RB 532 out. No change. 3) Created test setup on ground with "bad board" and it looked fine. (from laptop--6ft cablepoe265 ft---RB) 4) Blamed it on the cable, and got a cable certifier from a friend. 5) Right before climb, I re did the test setup on the ground. This time I plugged the 265 feet into the actual router instead of my laptop. The problen was back. (I was bummed) 6) One final test. Get another 265 foot cable. I used 265ft for power and 265ft for data to eth 2 or 3. Problem solved. I can only speculate that the chipset on RB 532 poe port is diffrent from the chipset on eth 2/3. And for whatever reason it was not compatable with cable, hardware, ect.setup. I may never know for sure why, but I have the workaround. Good enough for me. FWIW I ended up pulling 2 new cables (all 3 certified fine). I used the original cable for data (it has "real" shield) I used my new 2 (cheapo foil shield) for power and slapped the other into eth3 for the heck of it. Lessons learned for next time. Measure cable, crimp, and power up on ground using the EXACT same everything as what the final deployment will have. And then test. Hope that sums it all up. Ok to directly answer your question. Yes. I did this on the ground test unit. Brian Rohrbacher Paul Hendry wrote: Brian, Just out of interest, did you try running both power and data over the new cable and did you still see the same issue? P. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: 15 September 2006 02:43 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT power supplies THE SOLUTION First off. I'm back to a 48v 420mA power supply. To the solution. I ran another cat5 up the tower and plugged it into the RB 532. Now I have one cable for poe and one cable for data, and it all works fine. And check this. My headache went away as soon as the problem did. :) Problem solved. NEXT! Brian Tom DeReggi wrote: Amps don't mean a thing without disclosing Volts, Consider Watts instead. 1300mA at 3V is much different than 1300mA at 18V. The mPCI slot (SR5) is 3.3V. Power to the Motherboard is from 12-48V. W=V*A Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Mark McElvy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 8:19 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] MT power supplies I am surprised no one has mentioned this. I looked up power consumption on the SR5 and it shows 800 to 1300 mA each. You state your power supply is 700mA. I did not look up power consumption for the RB532 but I would think you would need at least a 3A supply. -Original Message- F
Re: [WISPA] OT: Friday Fun...
I think there are alot of bass players on this... Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message - From: "Matt Larsen - Lists" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "WISPA General List" ; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 12:21 PM Subject: [WISPA] OT: Friday Fun... > I've been having fun with YouTube this week. I put up a bunch of videos > of my band Superuser on YouTube. Just search with keyword Superuser or > go here: > > http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=superuser&search=Search > > Brings back lots of memories of what I did before wireless. I'm the fat > guy playing bass guitar. :^) > > Matt Larsen > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > -- > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] 900 mhz power meter
Is there a 900 mhz test meter that will measure power readings at cable end? Im thinking of a device that could be inserted inline between cable and antenna. Ideas? Thanks Chris -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT: Friday Fun...
Cool. I I II I I I I Il I I l \ l l \ / l l l l Rock and Roll !!! Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Matt Larsen - Lists" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "WISPA General List" ; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 3:21 PM Subject: [WISPA] OT: Friday Fun... I've been having fun with YouTube this week. I put up a bunch of videos of my band Superuser on YouTube. Just search with keyword Superuser or go here: http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=superuser&search=Search Brings back lots of memories of what I did before wireless. I'm the fat guy playing bass guitar. :^) Matt Larsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.4/448 - Release Date: 9/14/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] OT: Friday Fun...
Matt, I supposed you will be headlining on ISPcon ? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 3:21 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [WISPA] OT: Friday Fun... I've been having fun with YouTube this week. I put up a bunch of videos of my band Superuser on YouTube. Just search with keyword Superuser or go here: http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=superuser&search=Search Brings back lots of memories of what I did before wireless. I'm the fat guy playing bass guitar. :^) Matt Larsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] OT: Friday Fun...
I've been having fun with YouTube this week. I put up a bunch of videos of my band Superuser on YouTube. Just search with keyword Superuser or go here: http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=superuser&search=Search Brings back lots of memories of what I did before wireless. I'm the fat guy playing bass guitar. :^) Matt Larsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MT power supplies THE SOLUTION
Additionally consider, just because something works on the ground doesn;t mean that it will work up in the air, for two reasons. 1) When operating outside of specs, it may take a period of time before the equipment starts to fail and flaws show up. (heat build up, or stress on devices) 2) Interferences stretched along the tower structure for 250 feet, may be different than interferences that exist in a coil at the ground. Take note, that even though COILS can degrade signal, I've tested 500 feet cables on the ground in coils with Trango successfully, but up on a roof, failures at 200 feet in some circumstances. So... first, do the math. second, test on ground. third, prey that it will works after its been installed on the tower. :-) The most important lesson, is to rule out unknowns before you install on the tower. Test IP configurations of radios from laptop. Use patch cables that will be used when testing live. Work with a set of knowns. So you don't have to Climb just to rule something out. And always test before you climb down. Tom DeReggiRapidDSL & Wireless, IncIntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Scott Reed To: WISPA General List Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 12:48 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT power supplies THE SOLUTION I just looked at that Resources for a 532. 2 Ports are VIA Technologies. The 3rd is Integrated Device Technologies. Scott Reed Owner NewWays Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration www.nwwnet.net -- Original Message --- From: Brian Rohrbacher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: WISPA General List Sent: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 09:20:58 -0400 Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT power supplies THE SOLUTION > I started with RB 532 on tower. It comes down 265 feet to poe > injector to router. Major packet loss. > 2) switched RB 532 out. No change. > 3) Created test setup on ground with "bad board" and it looked fine. > (from laptop--6ft cablepoe265 ft---RB) > 4) Blamed it on the cable, and got a cable certifier from a friend. > 5) Right before climb, I re did the test setup on the ground. This > time I plugged the 265 feet into the actual router instead of my > laptop. The problen was back. (I was bummed) > 6) One final test. Get another 265 foot cable. I used 265ft for power > and 265ft for data to eth 2 or 3. > Problem solved. > I can only speculate that the chipset on RB 532 poe port is diffrent > from the chipset on eth 2/3. > And for whatever reason it was not compatable with cable, hardware, > ect.setup. > I may never know for sure why, but I have the workaround. Good enough > for me. > > FWIW I ended up pulling 2 new cables (all 3 certified fine). I used > the original cable for data (it has "real" shield) I used my new 2 > (cheapo foil shield) for power and slapped the other into eth3 for the > heck of it. > > Lessons learned for next time. > Measure cable, crimp, and power up on ground using the EXACT same > everything as what the final deployment will have. And then test. > > Hope that sums it all up. > > Ok to directly answer your question. Yes. I did this on the ground > test unit. > > Brian > Rohrbacher > > Paul Hendry wrote: > > >Brian, > > > >Just out of interest, did you try running both power and data over the new > >cable and did you still see the same issue? > > > >P. > > > >-Original Message- > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > >Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher > >Sent: 15 September 2006 02:43 > >To: WISPA General List > >Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT power supplies THE SOLUTION > > > >First off. I'm back to a 48v 420mA power supply. > >To the solution. > >I ran another cat5 up the tower and plugged it into the RB 532. > >Now I have one cable for poe and one cable for data, and it all works fine. > >And check this. My headache went away as soon as the problem did. :) > >Problem solved. NEXT! > > > >Brian > > > >Tom DeReggi wrote: > > > > > > > >>Amps don't mean a thing without disclosing Volts, Consider Watts > >>instead. 1300mA at 3V is much different than 1300mA at 18V. > >>The mPCI slot (SR5) is 3.3V. Power to the Motherboard is from > >>12-48V. W=V*A > >> > >>Tom DeReggi > >>RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc > >>IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband > >> > >> > >>- Original Message - From: "Mark McElvy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>To: "WISPA General List" > >>Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 8:19 AM > >>Subject: RE: [WISPA] MT power supplies > >> > >> > >>I am surprised no one has mentioned this. I looked up power consumption > >>on the SR5 and it shows 800 to 1300 mA each. You state your power supply > >>is 700mA. I did not look up power consumption for the RB532 but I would > >>think you would need at
Re: [WISPA] MT power supplies THE SOLUTION
I just looked at that Resources for a 532. 2 Ports are VIA Technologies. The 3rd is Integrated Device Technologies. Scott Reed Owner NewWays Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration www.nwwnet.net -- Original Message --- From: Brian Rohrbacher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: WISPA General List Sent: Fri, 15 Sep 2006 09:20:58 -0400 Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT power supplies THE SOLUTION > I started with RB 532 on tower. It comes down 265 feet to poe > injector to router. Major packet loss. > 2) switched RB 532 out. No change. > 3) Created test setup on ground with "bad board" and it looked fine. > (from laptop--6ft cablepoe265 ft---RB) > 4) Blamed it on the cable, and got a cable certifier from a friend. > 5) Right before climb, I re did the test setup on the ground. This > time I plugged the 265 feet into the actual router instead of my > laptop. The problen was back. (I was bummed) > 6) One final test. Get another 265 foot cable. I used 265ft for power > and 265ft for data to eth 2 or 3. > Problem solved. > I can only speculate that the chipset on RB 532 poe port is diffrent > from the chipset on eth 2/3. > And for whatever reason it was not compatable with cable, hardware, > ect.setup. > I may never know for sure why, but I have the workaround. Good enough > for me. > > FWIW I ended up pulling 2 new cables (all 3 certified fine). I used > the original cable for data (it has "real" shield) I used my new 2 > (cheapo foil shield) for power and slapped the other into eth3 for the > heck of it. > > Lessons learned for next time. > Measure cable, crimp, and power up on ground using the EXACT same > everything as what the final deployment will have. And then test. > > Hope that sums it all up. > > Ok to directly answer your question. Yes. I did this on the ground > test unit. > > Brian > Rohrbacher > > Paul Hendry wrote: > > >Brian, > > > >Just out of interest, did you try running both power and data over the new > >cable and did you still see the same issue? > > > >P. > > > >-Original Message- > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > >Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher > >Sent: 15 September 2006 02:43 > >To: WISPA General List > >Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT power supplies THE SOLUTION > > > >First off. I'm back to a 48v 420mA power supply. > >To the solution. > >I ran another cat5 up the tower and plugged it into the RB 532. > >Now I have one cable for poe and one cable for data, and it all works fine. > >And check this. My headache went away as soon as the problem did. :) > >Problem solved. NEXT! > > > >Brian > > > >Tom DeReggi wrote: > > > > > > > >>Amps don't mean a thing without disclosing Volts, Consider Watts > >>instead. 1300mA at 3V is much different than 1300mA at 18V. > >>The mPCI slot (SR5) is 3.3V. Power to the Motherboard is from > >>12-48V. W=V*A > >> > >>Tom DeReggi > >>RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc > >>IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband > >> > >> > >>- Original Message - From: "Mark McElvy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>To: "WISPA General List" > >>Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 8:19 AM > >>Subject: RE: [WISPA] MT power supplies > >> > >> > >>I am surprised no one has mentioned this. I looked up power consumption > >>on the SR5 and it shows 800 to 1300 mA each. You state your power supply > >>is 700mA. I did not look up power consumption for the RB532 but I would > >>think you would need at least a 3A supply. > >> > >>-Original Message- > >>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > >>Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher > >>Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 11:51 AM > >>To: WISPA General List > >>Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT power supplies > >> > >>So, does anyone know if it looks like I would be fine on the power side > >>of things? > >>I have tweaked the ethernet port settings for no gain. > >> > >>Next step is to get climbing 280ft to replace board, but I'd like to > >>confirm power first. > >> > >>Brian > >> > >>Brian Rohrbacher wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >>>I have a RB 532 on 300 foot of cat 5 with 2 sr5. > >>>I'm using poe 48v .700a power supply. > >>>I'm seeing weirdness. > >>> > >>>Do I have enough "juice" > >>> > >>>Brian > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > -- > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- End of Original Message --- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://li
Re: [WISPA] MiniPCI wireless card recommendation...
We set our software to use antenna A which is the corner antenna connector on the CM9 and the WLM54G. The WLM54G calls that antenna the secondary, so we are accepting it as a mis-marked part, or marked for another application. We see no difference between A and B in terms of performance. Lonnie On 9/15/06, chris cooper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Can anyone else confirm/deny this? Thanks Chris I thought the issue was that the cards are mis marked. Marked back wards. The outside corner is actually antenna port "A" . Card says B George Anthony Will wrote: > It looks like he is talking about the antenna ports on the mPCI card. > There are generally two u.fl or some combo u.fl and sma, etc. He is > stating that if you utilize the wrong port on the card then what is > configured you will loss 20+db of signal. It also looks like the > WLM54AG's have an issue where they loss some signal if you utilize the > secondary port / b port on the card. FYI I have not used the WLM54AG > card as of yet. Sticking with my old reliable cm9's and SR5's > -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Lonnie Nunweiler Valemount Networks Corporation http://www.star-os.com/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MT power supplies THE SOLUTION
Brian, did you try the "long cable" setting on that particular interface ? Brian Rohrbacher wrote: I started with RB 532 on tower. It comes down 265 feet to poe injector to router. Major packet loss. 2) switched RB 532 out. No change. 3) Created test setup on ground with "bad board" and it looked fine. (from laptop--6ft cablepoe265 ft---RB) 4) Blamed it on the cable, and got a cable certifier from a friend. 5) Right before climb, I re did the test setup on the ground. This time I plugged the 265 feet into the actual router instead of my laptop. The problen was back. (I was bummed) 6) One final test. Get another 265 foot cable. I used 265ft for power and 265ft for data to eth 2 or 3. Problem solved. I can only speculate that the chipset on RB 532 poe port is diffrent from the chipset on eth 2/3. And for whatever reason it was not compatable with cable, hardware, ect.setup. I may never know for sure why, but I have the workaround. Good enough for me. FWIW I ended up pulling 2 new cables (all 3 certified fine). I used the original cable for data (it has "real" shield) I used my new 2 (cheapo foil shield) for power and slapped the other into eth3 for the heck of it. Lessons learned for next time. Measure cable, crimp, and power up on ground using the EXACT same everything as what the final deployment will have. And then test. Hope that sums it all up. Ok to directly answer your question. Yes. I did this on the ground test unit. Brian Rohrbacher Paul Hendry wrote: Brian, Just out of interest, did you try running both power and data over the new cable and did you still see the same issue? P. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: 15 September 2006 02:43 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT power supplies THE SOLUTION First off. I'm back to a 48v 420mA power supply. To the solution. I ran another cat5 up the tower and plugged it into the RB 532. Now I have one cable for poe and one cable for data, and it all works fine. And check this. My headache went away as soon as the problem did. :) Problem solved. NEXT! Brian Tom DeReggi wrote: Amps don't mean a thing without disclosing Volts, Consider Watts instead. 1300mA at 3V is much different than 1300mA at 18V. The mPCI slot (SR5) is 3.3V. Power to the Motherboard is from 12-48V. W=V*A Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Mark McElvy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 8:19 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] MT power supplies I am surprised no one has mentioned this. I looked up power consumption on the SR5 and it shows 800 to 1300 mA each. You state your power supply is 700mA. I did not look up power consumption for the RB532 but I would think you would need at least a 3A supply. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 11:51 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT power supplies So, does anyone know if it looks like I would be fine on the power side of things? I have tweaked the ethernet port settings for no gain. Next step is to get climbing 280ft to replace board, but I'd like to confirm power first. Brian Brian Rohrbacher wrote: I have a RB 532 on 300 foot of cat 5 with 2 sr5. I'm using poe 48v .700a power supply. I'm seeing weirdness. Do I have enough "juice" Brian -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MT power supplies THE SOLUTION
I started with RB 532 on tower. It comes down 265 feet to poe injector to router. Major packet loss. 2) switched RB 532 out. No change. 3) Created test setup on ground with "bad board" and it looked fine. (from laptop--6ft cablepoe265 ft---RB) 4) Blamed it on the cable, and got a cable certifier from a friend. 5) Right before climb, I re did the test setup on the ground. This time I plugged the 265 feet into the actual router instead of my laptop. The problen was back. (I was bummed) 6) One final test. Get another 265 foot cable. I used 265ft for power and 265ft for data to eth 2 or 3. Problem solved. I can only speculate that the chipset on RB 532 poe port is diffrent from the chipset on eth 2/3. And for whatever reason it was not compatable with cable, hardware, ect.setup. I may never know for sure why, but I have the workaround. Good enough for me. FWIW I ended up pulling 2 new cables (all 3 certified fine). I used the original cable for data (it has "real" shield) I used my new 2 (cheapo foil shield) for power and slapped the other into eth3 for the heck of it. Lessons learned for next time. Measure cable, crimp, and power up on ground using the EXACT same everything as what the final deployment will have. And then test. Hope that sums it all up. Ok to directly answer your question. Yes. I did this on the ground test unit. Brian Rohrbacher Paul Hendry wrote: Brian, Just out of interest, did you try running both power and data over the new cable and did you still see the same issue? P. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: 15 September 2006 02:43 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT power supplies THE SOLUTION First off. I'm back to a 48v 420mA power supply. To the solution. I ran another cat5 up the tower and plugged it into the RB 532. Now I have one cable for poe and one cable for data, and it all works fine. And check this. My headache went away as soon as the problem did. :) Problem solved. NEXT! Brian Tom DeReggi wrote: Amps don't mean a thing without disclosing Volts, Consider Watts instead. 1300mA at 3V is much different than 1300mA at 18V. The mPCI slot (SR5) is 3.3V. Power to the Motherboard is from 12-48V. W=V*A Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Mark McElvy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 8:19 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] MT power supplies I am surprised no one has mentioned this. I looked up power consumption on the SR5 and it shows 800 to 1300 mA each. You state your power supply is 700mA. I did not look up power consumption for the RB532 but I would think you would need at least a 3A supply. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 11:51 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT power supplies So, does anyone know if it looks like I would be fine on the power side of things? I have tweaked the ethernet port settings for no gain. Next step is to get climbing 280ft to replace board, but I'd like to confirm power first. Brian Brian Rohrbacher wrote: I have a RB 532 on 300 foot of cat 5 with 2 sr5. I'm using poe 48v .700a power supply. I'm seeing weirdness. Do I have enough "juice" Brian -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MT power supplies THE SOLUTION
I was on 48v from the start. But I tested 4 48v power supplies300, 420, 700, and 1000mA units. None of that had any effect. The seperate cables. One for power, one for data fixed it. Brian George Rogato wrote: Good call Brian, Being an electrician all of my previous working life, voltage drop is a serious consideration at 300', even with 120 volts. Solution has always been to increase the voltage to reduce the amperage to control voltage drop. That is why you see transformers all over the place. I like 48 Volts a whole lot more than 24 volts. George Brian Rohrbacher wrote: First off. I'm back to a 48v 420mA power supply. To the solution. I ran another cat5 up the tower and plugged it into the RB 532. Now I have one cable for poe and one cable for data, and it all works fine. And check this. My headache went away as soon as the problem did. :) Problem solved. NEXT! Brian Tom DeReggi wrote: Amps don't mean a thing without disclosing Volts, Consider Watts instead. 1300mA at 3V is much different than 1300mA at 18V. The mPCI slot (SR5) is 3.3V. Power to the Motherboard is from 12-48V. W=V*A Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Mark McElvy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 8:19 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] MT power supplies I am surprised no one has mentioned this. I looked up power consumption on the SR5 and it shows 800 to 1300 mA each. You state your power supply is 700mA. I did not look up power consumption for the RB532 but I would think you would need at least a 3A supply. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 11:51 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT power supplies So, does anyone know if it looks like I would be fine on the power side of things? I have tweaked the ethernet port settings for no gain. Next step is to get climbing 280ft to replace board, but I'd like to confirm power first. Brian Brian Rohrbacher wrote: I have a RB 532 on 300 foot of cat 5 with 2 sr5. I'm using poe 48v .700a power supply. I'm seeing weirdness. Do I have enough "juice" Brian -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] MiniPCI wireless card recommendation...
Can anyone else confirm/deny this? Thanks Chris I thought the issue was that the cards are mis marked. Marked back wards. The outside corner is actually antenna port "A" . Card says B George Anthony Will wrote: > It looks like he is talking about the antenna ports on the mPCI card. > There are generally two u.fl or some combo u.fl and sma, etc. He is > stating that if you utilize the wrong port on the card then what is > configured you will loss 20+db of signal. It also looks like the > WLM54AG's have an issue where they loss some signal if you utilize the > secondary port / b port on the card. FYI I have not used the WLM54AG > card as of yet. Sticking with my old reliable cm9's and SR5's > -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] FCC's wireless auction winds down
FCC's wireless auction winds down Spectrum-hungry T-Mobile USA leads the pack of bidders for airwaves to carry advanced wireless services such as broadband and video. By Reuters Published: September 14, 2006, 4:26 PM PDT Tell us what you think about this storyTalkBack E-mail this story to a friendE-mail View this story formatted for printingPrint Add to your del.icio.usdel.icio.us Digg this storyDigg this The U.S. Federal Communications Commission's auction of airwaves for advanced wireless services wound down on Thursday with few new bids offered and spectrum-hungry T-Mobile USA in the lead. T-Mobile, the No. 4 U.S. wireless carrier, has provisionally won 119 licenses in major markets like New York City and Chicago with offers of almost $4.2 billion after 141 rounds. The company, owned by Deutsche Telekom, had been expected to be the most aggressive bidder in the FCC sale because in many key markets, it has fewer airwaves to serve customers than larger rivals have. So far, the auction has grossed almost $13.9 billion, but would net about $13.7 billion, because of discounts offered to entrepreneurial bidders. Analysts had expected the sale to raise between $8 billion and $15 billion. Existing wireless companies want more airwaves so they can improve services as well as expand to include offerings like high-speed Internet access and video. Four bids were made in the 141st round on Thursday. The auction will resume on Friday. The sale ends when there are no more bids, withdrawals or other activity. Verizon Wireless, a joint venture of Verizon Communications and Vodafone Group that is the No. 2 U.S. carrier, was not expected to be a big bidder in the sale. However, so far it has been in second place in the bidding, offering $2.81 billion for 13 licenses that include the northeast and southeast United States. In other news: * Redmond presses play for Zune * Get ready for ads on your cell phone * Behind Google's German courtroom battle * News.com Extra: Microsoft feels the heat from small competitors * Video: Introducing the Treo 750v A surprise player in the auction was a consortium of the top U.S. cable television providers that teamed up with Sprint Nextel. Some analysts see that as an effort to expand high-speed Internet access. The group, dubbed SpectrumCo, includes cable providers Comcast and Time Warner. It currently has the high bids for 137 licenses, offering almost $2.4 billion. "Both the cable (industry) and Sprint-Nextel have a strategic interest in helping one another, at least in these early stages of cable's foray into wireless, as each draws on the core strengths of the other to help set both apart from the Bells," said Medley Global Advisors analyst Jessica Zufolo, referring to the traditional telephone carriers. A joint venture of rival satellite television providers, DirecTV Group and EchoStar Communications, dropped out after just a few days of bidding despite making the largest deposit of all bidders ahead of the sale. Story Copyright © 2006 Reuters Limited. All rights reserved. http://news.com.com/FCCs+wireless+auction+winds+down/2100-1039_3-6115942.html --- --- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] MT power supplies THE SOLUTION
Brian, Just out of interest, did you try running both power and data over the new cable and did you still see the same issue? P. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: 15 September 2006 02:43 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT power supplies THE SOLUTION First off. I'm back to a 48v 420mA power supply. To the solution. I ran another cat5 up the tower and plugged it into the RB 532. Now I have one cable for poe and one cable for data, and it all works fine. And check this. My headache went away as soon as the problem did. :) Problem solved. NEXT! Brian Tom DeReggi wrote: > Amps don't mean a thing without disclosing Volts, Consider Watts > instead. 1300mA at 3V is much different than 1300mA at 18V. > The mPCI slot (SR5) is 3.3V. Power to the Motherboard is from > 12-48V. W=V*A > > Tom DeReggi > RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc > IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband > > > - Original Message - From: "Mark McElvy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 8:19 AM > Subject: RE: [WISPA] MT power supplies > > > I am surprised no one has mentioned this. I looked up power consumption > on the SR5 and it shows 800 to 1300 mA each. You state your power supply > is 700mA. I did not look up power consumption for the RB532 but I would > think you would need at least a 3A supply. > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher > Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 11:51 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT power supplies > > So, does anyone know if it looks like I would be fine on the power side > of things? > I have tweaked the ethernet port settings for no gain. > > Next step is to get climbing 280ft to replace board, but I'd like to > confirm power first. > > Brian > > Brian Rohrbacher wrote: > >> I have a RB 532 on 300 foot of cat 5 with 2 sr5. >> I'm using poe 48v .700a power supply. >> I'm seeing weirdness. >> >> Do I have enough "juice" >> >> Brian > > -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.3/447 - Release Date: 13/09/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.4/448 - Release Date: 14/09/2006 -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Wimax Forum Boast they can cover the earth for $2.6 trillion!
Wimax Forum Boast they can cover the earth for $2.6 trillion! Author: Digital Divide, Independent | September 13th, 2006 Communities: ICT FOR THE LESS PRIVILEGED the WSIS to encourage partnerships to bridge the digital divide. The objective is to bring access ICTs to the people worldwide whom making a simple telephone call remains out of reach, keeping in mind that at present ITU estimates that around 800,000 villages, or 30% of all villages worldwide, are still without any kind of connection. (http://tinyurl.com/f5rbd - pg 4.) Let's look at this pragmatically: The surface area of the seven continents and all the islands of the world is about 57,000,000 miles, while the total area of the six habitable continents (Antarctica excluded) is around 52,000,000 square miles. A WiMAX tower, similar in concept to a cell-phone tower - A single WiMAX tower can provide coverage to a very large area -- as big as 3,000 square miles ... (http://computer.howstuffworks.com/wimax1.htm) . Jupiter Research Estimates Municipal Wireless Projects Cost $150,000 Per Square Mile (http://tinyurl.com/l4pps - July 2005) Lets use the "1/3rd" figure and roughly say that the digitally unserved live on "1/3" of the earth's surface. It may/may not be accurate ... but it should be reasonable for illustrative purposes. so: 52,000,000 sqm / 3 = 17,333,333 sqm x $150,000 per sqm = $2,600,000,000,000. 2.6 TRILLION DOLLARS!! Ok, reduce the price down for the economy of scale of the project & time past since july 2005 ... but come on ... re-read the top line figure again slowly. 2.6 TRILLION DOLLARS. That WAS good news: The bad news: The subscription/retail cost for people who want to use it to ensure that the owners of the $2.6T investors to get their investment back. Deployment is not instant - let's say over the next 5 years. Venture capitalist want their monye back ASAP - not in 10 years. Technology moves way too fast. The really bad news? Reality check: The potential subscribers probably live on less than $2 a day. The Juniper Research says month fees would need to be at least $25 per month to breakeven in 5 years. Fact: Just because the village is now wimax covered, they STILL can't afford the monthly fee, nor the modem, nor the computer. Would you risk the $2.6T in your bank account for such a noble cause? WIMAX - nice try. Noble attempt. Good intentions. But you fail miserably - and you of all people should know that you are duping the world into thinking that WIMAX is a global solution. Stop your complacency. We're no where near bridging the digital chasm. http://www.digitaldivide.net/articles/view.php?ArticleID=673 --- --- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
