Re: [WISPA] Fw: [WISPA FCC] FCC 3650 band response today..
Ralph wrote: whatever roo-tenna or tupperware box -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] High Gain 8186HP CPE
Mike - I've had horrible luck with the High Gain products in the past. Also ran into some customer service issues when we had a problem with them.. I won't rehash on here but feel free to contact me offlist... I'd highly suggest to continue using Mikrotik or Tranzeo - I've had problems with Tranzeo products too, as well as some versions of MT software, but nothing compares to the aggrivation I had in dealing with High Gain. The out of the box Tranzeo CPEs for the price have seemed to be the most stable / reliable low cost CPE we've used thus far. JohnnyO - Original Message - From: "Dennis Burgess - 2K Wireless" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 1:32 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] High Gain 8186HP CPE I have a stack of High-Gain CPEs that don't work. Just a FYI. We also waited a bit over a MONTH to get the first order. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 12:06 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] High Gain 8186HP CPE Has anyone used this before? I normally use MT units everywhere, but I figured that I could save my customers money when they want to repeat to other buildings of theirs. Instead of setting up a 5 GHz AP with N-Streme and 5 GHz N-Streme clients, I'm looking at moving to 802.11g for everything. Someone suggested to me the High Gain 8186HP CPE and it looks like a good deal. What sort of mounting options does it have (can't tell from the pictures)? Normally I put up a UM and U-bolt it on, but my customer would like a flat-mount solution. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fw: [WISPA FCC] FCC 3650 band response today..
Nope. You need the permission of the grant holder before you can claim compliance and put their grantee code on your equipment. jack Mike Hammett wrote: IIRC, if everything is the same, you can label it as containing X, Y, Z and be compliant. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Dawn DiPietro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 8:06 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fw: [WISPA FCC] FCC 3650 band response today.. Ralph, I have to agree that even if there is a certified system in the works this will not make ALL Mikrotik installations certified. There will most likely be some uncertified gear left in the field as I don't believe that some wireless providers will rip out there existing hardware to comply with system certification. I also don't think it will be a non issue anytime soon. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Ralph wrote: I am aware that there was talk of that and maybe even a business in the works around it, but it is too early to say that in any certain time frame it will be a non-issue... Unless you are making an announcement (or someone is). And I highly doubt certification will be retroactive to whatever roo-tenna or tupperware box or whatever that people have been making "systems" out of prior to then. Don't get me wrong- I will be GLAD to see someone get MT certified. Ralph -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dawn DiPietro Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 7:13 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fw: [WISPA FCC] FCC 3650 band response today.. Ralph, I think there is a committee gathering information on the most common hardware configurations to get something certified for Mikrotik. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Ralph wrote: Why do you say this? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 6:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fw: [WISPA FCC] FCC 3650 band response today.. Within a few months the whole MT certified system will be a non-issue. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. FCC License # PG-12-25133 Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Author of the WISP Handbook - "Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs" True Vendor-Neutral Wireless Consulting-Training-Troubleshooting FCC Part 15 Certification for Manufacturers and Service Providers Phone (VoIP Over Broadband Wireless) 818-227-4220 www.ask-wi.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fw: [WISPA FCC] FCC 3650 band response today..
Mike, I would love to see a bunch of MT-based certified systems out there because the pricing would be right and it would help many WISPs deploy Part-15 compliant (legal) systems but there is no easy road because before MT-based systems can be made compliant, the software has to be modified so the end-user (the WISP or whoever) can not configure the system to use frequencies too near the band edge or at excessive power or at excessive power that exceeds the FCC regulations. In short, we need a MT-version (or versions) that limit operation to the FCC frequency domain. So far (I appealed directly to John Tully with no response) they haven't indicated any interest in providing a "custom" "US/FCC" version of their software. Mikrotik (and the entire WISP industry) is S.O.O.L until either MT comes through on this issue of some software guru customizes and sub-licenses an FCC version of MT. To just assume that this is going to happen is assuming too much. Legal MT-based systems are not necessarily going to be available "within a few months". We all need to start requesting MT to offer an FCC-only version of their software. Further, if/when MT starts offering FCC software, anyone using the proper combination of A-B-C components will not automatically become compliant. Whoever gets the FCC grant for that combination (and it would be nice if some smart US-based company would get this grant) must still give approval to anyone else to use their certification/grant. If you (for example) get the grant, I can not just "sponge" off of your grant because I use the same components. I need your permission to use your grant for my equipment or else I have to get my own grant. A bunch of WISPs could get together and collectively get a grant, each pay a share of the costs and designate one of them as the grantee holder who would then give each of them authorization to use the grant. Questions? Throw 'em out here or (better yet) over on WISPA's "Certification" email list which you can subscribe to. jack Mike Hammett wrote: Because there will be certified systems. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Ralph" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 7:01 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Fw: [WISPA FCC] FCC 3650 band response today.. Why do you say this? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 6:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fw: [WISPA FCC] FCC 3650 band response today.. Within a few months the whole MT certified system will be a non-issue. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. FCC License # PG-12-25133 Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Author of the WISP Handbook - "Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs" True Vendor-Neutral Wireless Consulting-Training-Troubleshooting FCC Part 15 Certification for Manufacturers and Service Providers Phone (VoIP Over Broadband Wireless) 818-227-4220 www.ask-wi.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fw: [WISPA FCC] FCC 3650 band response today..
Mike, That is a big IF there. As I said before I don't see that every single hardware configuration deployed using Mikrotik will be covered. So to say that Mikrotik FCC System Certification will be a non issue is not a reasonable statement to make. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Mike Hammett wrote: IIRC, if everything is the same, you can label it as containing X, Y, Z and be compliant. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Dawn DiPietro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 8:06 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fw: [WISPA FCC] FCC 3650 band response today.. Ralph, I have to agree that even if there is a certified system in the works this will not make ALL Mikrotik installations certified. There will most likely be some uncertified gear left in the field as I don't believe that some wireless providers will rip out there existing hardware to comply with system certification. I also don't think it will be a non issue anytime soon. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Ralph wrote: I am aware that there was talk of that and maybe even a business in the works around it, but it is too early to say that in any certain time frame it will be a non-issue... Unless you are making an announcement (or someone is). And I highly doubt certification will be retroactive to whatever roo-tenna or tupperware box or whatever that people have been making "systems" out of prior to then. Don't get me wrong- I will be GLAD to see someone get MT certified. Ralph -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dawn DiPietro Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 7:13 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fw: [WISPA FCC] FCC 3650 band response today.. Ralph, I think there is a committee gathering information on the most common hardware configurations to get something certified for Mikrotik. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Ralph wrote: Why do you say this? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 6:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fw: [WISPA FCC] FCC 3650 band response today.. Within a few months the whole MT certified system will be a non-issue. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fw: [WISPA FCC] FCC 3650 band response today..
IIRC, if everything is the same, you can label it as containing X, Y, Z and be compliant. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Dawn DiPietro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 8:06 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fw: [WISPA FCC] FCC 3650 band response today.. Ralph, I have to agree that even if there is a certified system in the works this will not make ALL Mikrotik installations certified. There will most likely be some uncertified gear left in the field as I don't believe that some wireless providers will rip out there existing hardware to comply with system certification. I also don't think it will be a non issue anytime soon. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Ralph wrote: I am aware that there was talk of that and maybe even a business in the works around it, but it is too early to say that in any certain time frame it will be a non-issue... Unless you are making an announcement (or someone is). And I highly doubt certification will be retroactive to whatever roo-tenna or tupperware box or whatever that people have been making "systems" out of prior to then. Don't get me wrong- I will be GLAD to see someone get MT certified. Ralph -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dawn DiPietro Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 7:13 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fw: [WISPA FCC] FCC 3650 band response today.. Ralph, I think there is a committee gathering information on the most common hardware configurations to get something certified for Mikrotik. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Ralph wrote: Why do you say this? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 6:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fw: [WISPA FCC] FCC 3650 band response today.. Within a few months the whole MT certified system will be a non-issue. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fw: [WISPA FCC] FCC 3650 band response today..
Because there will be certified systems. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Ralph" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 7:01 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Fw: [WISPA FCC] FCC 3650 band response today.. Why do you say this? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 6:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fw: [WISPA FCC] FCC 3650 band response today.. Within a few months the whole MT certified system will be a non-issue. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fw: [WISPA FCC] FCC 3650 band response today..
Yeah, they just use Atheros based cards and do their own magic on it. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Michael Erskine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 6:56 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fw: [WISPA FCC] FCC 3650 band response today.. Mike Hammett wrote: The N-Streme protocol has been around for a while and supports polling and resolves many disadvantages in WIFI. N-Streme may not be able to work in 3.6 GHz as it may not be wifi enough. They could couple the GPS sync with the N-Streme at least for other bands. Thanks. I did not know what TDM stuff was out there. MT systems have the among (if not the best) performance out there for among the lowest pricing. Within a few months the whole MT certified system will be a non-issue. I will be happy to see that. I am hoping that their CALEA stuff turns out as well as I expect it will. Ditto Imagestream and OpenCALEA. -m- - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Michael J. Erskine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 2:35 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fw: [WISPA FCC] FCC 3650 band response today.. Mike Hammett wrote: I know Mikrotik has been getting beat up over not having it. I guess I wasn't paying attention. Pretty much any reason they stated why they couldn't do it was refuted by seemingly knowledgeable people. As typical, when Mikrotik was proved incorrect, they acted like a bunch of 5 year olds. I have yet to see them do any such thing. It might be useful here to explain that Mikrotik is a vendor of router platforms. It is nice that they have these cool little boards which can accept, *among other things* cool little radios. That does not make them a wireless vendor. For example, we are only marginally interested in using MT at the edge or our network but we are very interested in replacing our existing NOC with a something almost completly MT based. So you see, it may well be that there is no real reason for MT to try to compete in the TDM arena. They don't build radios. They don't have their systems FCC certified but anyone who so chooses could probably make money doing that and then reselling their product. All of that said, do you know of a TDM radio card that comes in a format which can be installed in a MT router? For that matter do you know of a TDM radio which comes as any kind of card even PCI? There really is no point to GPS sync on a CSMA/CA based system such as 802.11x. So the question I have is what sort of system components would one combine with an MT to start doing GPS based TDM communications and the second part is when would I use GPS sync in I was not running a TDM system? Thanks -m- - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "John Scrivner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 12:26 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fw: [WISPA FCC] FCC 3650 band response today.. I personally wish all manufacturers would standardize on a GPS sync system to allow for multiple reuse of frequencies. This is one place where Motorola definitely has the right idea. I have never seen a convincing argument for any reason why GPS sync is not a great thing for reuse of spectrum and I feel it should be encouraged by us to standards bodies who are designing the future generations of unlicensed radio platforms. Is there a downside to GPS sync? Scriv Mike Hammett wrote: How difficult is it to engineer sectors with greater isolation? With only 50 MHz, we're going to have to become champions of spectrum reuse. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Principal WISPA Member List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 1:00 PM Subject: [WISPA] Fw: [WISPA FCC] FCC 3650 band response today.. Getting closer to a 3650 reality! Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage) Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: "Dan Lubar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "FCC Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 9:54 AM Subject: [WISPA FCC] FCC 3650 band response today.. Greetings everyone.. I wanted to make everyone aware of today's published response from the FCC regarding the reconsideration of its 3650 NPRM.. http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-07-99A1.pdf Note that the petitions for reconsideration of this rule making have been denied and 3650 band usage in the United States is
Re: [WISPA] the big wild card statement from the 3650 order
I agree with you that the FCC may have made a mistake here although their intentions are correct. At the same time though, I think you may be overreacting. Remember that the FCC's regulations are only one factor to consider. Take part 15 for example... We all know what the FCC's regulations are, yet often contract law is able to trump them. Certainly anyone who has entered into lease agreements with the major tower/roof companies understands how their lease protects them from other operators. I see these leases applying the same effects with 3.65Ghz. Much in the same way with 5Ghz, companies like ours will seek to lock up spectrum through contracts as opposed to licenses. -Matt Patrick Leary wrote: I was expecting to be excited about it to John, but the FCC took a wrong term not with the lite-licensing part, but with the mandating HUMAN cooperation. They should have stuck to the original plan of mandating only EQUIPMENT cooperation. The human part is broken before it even starts -- you cannot have a rule that says you must make an agreement with another party when the same rule tells you you have to scrap that agreement and start over when the next person comes along. Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fw: [WISPA FCC] FCC 3650 band response today..
Ralph, I have to agree that even if there is a certified system in the works this will not make ALL Mikrotik installations certified. There will most likely be some uncertified gear left in the field as I don't believe that some wireless providers will rip out there existing hardware to comply with system certification. I also don't think it will be a non issue anytime soon. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Ralph wrote: I am aware that there was talk of that and maybe even a business in the works around it, but it is too early to say that in any certain time frame it will be a non-issue... Unless you are making an announcement (or someone is). And I highly doubt certification will be retroactive to whatever roo-tenna or tupperware box or whatever that people have been making "systems" out of prior to then. Don't get me wrong- I will be GLAD to see someone get MT certified. Ralph -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dawn DiPietro Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 7:13 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fw: [WISPA FCC] FCC 3650 band response today.. Ralph, I think there is a committee gathering information on the most common hardware configurations to get something certified for Mikrotik. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Ralph wrote: Why do you say this? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 6:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fw: [WISPA FCC] FCC 3650 band response today.. Within a few months the whole MT certified system will be a non-issue. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fw: [WISPA FCC] FCC 3650 band response today..
Ralph; My bad, I thought I was still replying to Mike. -m- Ralph wrote: Why bother? Tell us why they should bother doing that? It is one thing for you to bring a GPS unit to the device and quite another to ask the vendor to incorporate the GPS device on his board so please *justify* your comments. Why bother? I have no idea. Doug just told us that GPS synch was high on their list, but that GPS with timing was too expensive. And I was replying to his comment. I have been involved with developing AVL systems that use embedded engines for over 10 years. The engines are now about 12 bucks. They have PPS signals. That should not be a show stopper especially if GPS is high on the list as you say. Heck- Motorola has a cheap Oncore GPS engine on the CMM Micro. Integrating a GPS engine is not rocket science if you are designing the board anyway- its just a TTL signal. If it is as high on the list as you say, then plugging an engine onto a control board should be nothing. It could piggyback right on some sort of routerboard type piece. Explain, WHY, I want them to incorporate a GPS on their boards... Well.. Uhhmmm... Maybe because I was replying to Doug Ratcliffe who said it was high on the list. It certainly isn't ME who is asking. Why should I justify it? If I want GPS I can use Motorola. At least they are legal. Now if I have misunderstood the message threading/quoting and it wasn't Doug who said that, then just change the reference to whoever it really was who said it. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Erskine Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 7:05 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fw: [WISPA FCC] FCC 3650 band response today.. Ralph; Why bother? Tell us why they should bother doing that? It is one thing for you to bring a GPS unit to the device and quite another to ask the vendor to incorporate the GPS device on his board so please *justify* your comments. Explain, WHY, I want them to incorporate a GPS on their boards... Ralph wrote: That isn't a reason to not use it. A GPS Engine costs about 12 bucks. Almost all have the PPS output. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Doug Ratcliffe Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 3:01 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Fw: [WISPA FCC] FCC 3650 band response today.. GPS Sync has been very high up on their list, however, the issue at the moment is that conventional serial GPS units lack the necessary timing precision for anything other than raw timesync. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Re: [WISPA FCC] FCC 3650 band response today..the lawyers win most
WiMAX, scheduled Canopy, and any other system that can be synchronized -- i.e. automatically "cooperate" -- with like systems, but cannot sense and deal with other resident systems are confined to the lower 25 MHz. If all units were required to use GPS sync I think the band would be a much better option. Matt -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Fw: [WISPA FCC] FCC 3650 band response today..
>Why bother? Tell us why they should bother doing that? It is one thing >for you to bring a GPS unit to the device and quite another to ask the >vendor to incorporate the GPS device on his board so please *justify* >your comments. Why bother? I have no idea. Doug just told us that GPS synch was high on their list, but that GPS with timing was too expensive. And I was replying to his comment. I have been involved with developing AVL systems that use embedded engines for over 10 years. The engines are now about 12 bucks. They have PPS signals. That should not be a show stopper especially if GPS is high on the list as you say. Heck- Motorola has a cheap Oncore GPS engine on the CMM Micro. Integrating a GPS engine is not rocket science if you are designing the board anyway- its just a TTL signal. If it is as high on the list as you say, then plugging an engine onto a control board should be nothing. It could piggyback right on some sort of routerboard type piece. > Explain, WHY, I want them to incorporate a GPS on their boards... Well... Uhhmmm... Maybe because I was replying to Doug Ratcliffe who said it was high on the list. It certainly isn't ME who is asking. Why should I justify it? If I want GPS I can use Motorola. At least they are legal. Now if I have misunderstood the message threading/quoting and it wasn't Doug who said that, then just change the reference to whoever it really was who said it. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Erskine Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 7:05 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fw: [WISPA FCC] FCC 3650 band response today.. Ralph; Why bother? Tell us why they should bother doing that? It is one thing for you to bring a GPS unit to the device and quite another to ask the vendor to incorporate the GPS device on his board so please *justify* your comments. Explain, WHY, I want them to incorporate a GPS on their boards... Ralph wrote: > That isn't a reason to not use it. > A GPS Engine costs about 12 bucks. Almost all have the PPS output. > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of Doug Ratcliffe > Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 3:01 PM > To: 'WISPA General List' > Subject: RE: [WISPA] Fw: [WISPA FCC] FCC 3650 band response today.. > > GPS Sync has been very high up on their list, however, the issue at > the moment is that conventional serial GPS units lack the necessary > timing precision for anything other than raw timesync. > > -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Fw: [WISPA FCC] FCC 3650 band response today..
I am aware that there was talk of that and maybe even a business in the works around it, but it is too early to say that in any certain time frame it will be a non-issue... Unless you are making an announcement (or someone is). And I highly doubt certification will be retroactive to whatever roo-tenna or tupperware box or whatever that people have been making "systems" out of prior to then. Don't get me wrong- I will be GLAD to see someone get MT certified. Ralph -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dawn DiPietro Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 7:13 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fw: [WISPA FCC] FCC 3650 band response today.. Ralph, I think there is a committee gathering information on the most common hardware configurations to get something certified for Mikrotik. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Ralph wrote: > Why do you say this? > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > On Behalf Of Mike Hammett > Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 6:32 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fw: [WISPA FCC] FCC 3650 band response today.. > > Within a few months the whole MT certified system will > be a non-issue. > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Ralph, I think there is a committee gathering information on the most common hardware configurations to get something certified for Mikrotik. Regards, Dawn DiPietro Ralph wrote: Why do you say this? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 6:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fw: [WISPA FCC] FCC 3650 band response today.. Within a few months the whole MT certified system will be a non-issue. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Ralph; Why bother? Tell us why they should bother doing that? It is one thing for you to bring a GPS unit to the device and quite another to ask the vendor to incorporate the GPS device on his board so please *justify* your comments. Explain, WHY, I want them to incorporate a GPS on their boards... Ralph wrote: That isn't a reason to not use it. A GPS Engine costs about 12 bucks. Almost all have the PPS output. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Doug Ratcliffe Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 3:01 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Fw: [WISPA FCC] FCC 3650 band response today.. GPS Sync has been very high up on their list, however, the issue at the moment is that conventional serial GPS units lack the necessary timing precision for anything other than raw timesync. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Fw: [WISPA FCC] FCC 3650 band response today..
Why do you say this? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 6:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fw: [WISPA FCC] FCC 3650 band response today.. Within a few months the whole MT certified system will be a non-issue. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Fw: [WISPA FCC] FCC 3650 band response today..
That isn't a reason to not use it. A GPS Engine costs about 12 bucks. Almost all have the PPS output. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Doug Ratcliffe Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 3:01 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Fw: [WISPA FCC] FCC 3650 band response today.. GPS Sync has been very high up on their list, however, the issue at the moment is that conventional serial GPS units lack the necessary timing precision for anything other than raw timesync. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fw: [WISPA FCC] FCC 3650 band response today..
Mike Hammett wrote: The N-Streme protocol has been around for a while and supports polling and resolves many disadvantages in WIFI. N-Streme may not be able to work in 3.6 GHz as it may not be wifi enough. They could couple the GPS sync with the N-Streme at least for other bands. Thanks. I did not know what TDM stuff was out there. MT systems have the among (if not the best) performance out there for among the lowest pricing. Within a few months the whole MT certified system will be a non-issue. I will be happy to see that. I am hoping that their CALEA stuff turns out as well as I expect it will. Ditto Imagestream and OpenCALEA. -m- - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Michael J. Erskine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 2:35 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fw: [WISPA FCC] FCC 3650 band response today.. Mike Hammett wrote: I know Mikrotik has been getting beat up over not having it. I guess I wasn't paying attention. Pretty much any reason they stated why they couldn't do it was refuted by seemingly knowledgeable people. As typical, when Mikrotik was proved incorrect, they acted like a bunch of 5 year olds. I have yet to see them do any such thing. It might be useful here to explain that Mikrotik is a vendor of router platforms. It is nice that they have these cool little boards which can accept, *among other things* cool little radios. That does not make them a wireless vendor. For example, we are only marginally interested in using MT at the edge or our network but we are very interested in replacing our existing NOC with a something almost completly MT based. So you see, it may well be that there is no real reason for MT to try to compete in the TDM arena. They don't build radios. They don't have their systems FCC certified but anyone who so chooses could probably make money doing that and then reselling their product. All of that said, do you know of a TDM radio card that comes in a format which can be installed in a MT router? For that matter do you know of a TDM radio which comes as any kind of card even PCI? There really is no point to GPS sync on a CSMA/CA based system such as 802.11x. So the question I have is what sort of system components would one combine with an MT to start doing GPS based TDM communications and the second part is when would I use GPS sync in I was not running a TDM system? Thanks -m- - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "John Scrivner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 12:26 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fw: [WISPA FCC] FCC 3650 band response today.. I personally wish all manufacturers would standardize on a GPS sync system to allow for multiple reuse of frequencies. This is one place where Motorola definitely has the right idea. I have never seen a convincing argument for any reason why GPS sync is not a great thing for reuse of spectrum and I feel it should be encouraged by us to standards bodies who are designing the future generations of unlicensed radio platforms. Is there a downside to GPS sync? Scriv Mike Hammett wrote: How difficult is it to engineer sectors with greater isolation? With only 50 MHz, we're going to have to become champions of spectrum reuse. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Principal WISPA Member List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 1:00 PM Subject: [WISPA] Fw: [WISPA FCC] FCC 3650 band response today.. Getting closer to a 3650 reality! Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage) Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: "Dan Lubar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "FCC Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 9:54 AM Subject: [WISPA FCC] FCC 3650 band response today.. Greetings everyone.. I wanted to make everyone aware of today's published response from the FCC regarding the reconsideration of its 3650 NPRM.. http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-07-99A1.pdf Note that the petitions for reconsideration of this rule making have been denied and 3650 band usage in the United States is now one step closer. Respectfully, Dan Lubar RelayServices ___ FCC mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/fcc -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wire
Re: [WISPA] Fw: [WISPA FCC] FCC 3650 band response today..
The N-Streme protocol has been around for a while and supports polling and resolves many disadvantages in WIFI. N-Streme may not be able to work in 3.6 GHz as it may not be wifi enough. They could couple the GPS sync with the N-Streme at least for other bands. MT systems have the among (if not the best) performance out there for among the lowest pricing. Within a few months the whole MT certified system will be a non-issue. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Michael J. Erskine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 2:35 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fw: [WISPA FCC] FCC 3650 band response today.. Mike Hammett wrote: I know Mikrotik has been getting beat up over not having it. I guess I wasn't paying attention. Pretty much any reason they stated why they couldn't do it was refuted by seemingly knowledgeable people. As typical, when Mikrotik was proved incorrect, they acted like a bunch of 5 year olds. I have yet to see them do any such thing. It might be useful here to explain that Mikrotik is a vendor of router platforms. It is nice that they have these cool little boards which can accept, *among other things* cool little radios. That does not make them a wireless vendor. For example, we are only marginally interested in using MT at the edge or our network but we are very interested in replacing our existing NOC with a something almost completly MT based. So you see, it may well be that there is no real reason for MT to try to compete in the TDM arena. They don't build radios. They don't have their systems FCC certified but anyone who so chooses could probably make money doing that and then reselling their product. All of that said, do you know of a TDM radio card that comes in a format which can be installed in a MT router? For that matter do you know of a TDM radio which comes as any kind of card even PCI? There really is no point to GPS sync on a CSMA/CA based system such as 802.11x. So the question I have is what sort of system components would one combine with an MT to start doing GPS based TDM communications and the second part is when would I use GPS sync in I was not running a TDM system? Thanks -m- - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "John Scrivner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 12:26 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fw: [WISPA FCC] FCC 3650 band response today.. I personally wish all manufacturers would standardize on a GPS sync system to allow for multiple reuse of frequencies. This is one place where Motorola definitely has the right idea. I have never seen a convincing argument for any reason why GPS sync is not a great thing for reuse of spectrum and I feel it should be encouraged by us to standards bodies who are designing the future generations of unlicensed radio platforms. Is there a downside to GPS sync? Scriv Mike Hammett wrote: How difficult is it to engineer sectors with greater isolation? With only 50 MHz, we're going to have to become champions of spectrum reuse. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Principal WISPA Member List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 1:00 PM Subject: [WISPA] Fw: [WISPA FCC] FCC 3650 band response today.. Getting closer to a 3650 reality! Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage) Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: "Dan Lubar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "FCC Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 9:54 AM Subject: [WISPA FCC] FCC 3650 band response today.. Greetings everyone.. I wanted to make everyone aware of today's published response from the FCC regarding the reconsideration of its 3650 NPRM.. http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-07-99A1.pdf Note that the petitions for reconsideration of this rule making have been denied and 3650 band usage in the United States is now one step closer. Respectfully, Dan Lubar RelayServices ___ FCC mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/fcc -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscri
Re: [WISPA] Fw: [WISPA FCC] FCC 3650 band response today..
Doug Ratcliffe wrote: Actually, they have implemented a CSMA/CA bypass on their new 3.0 beta versions, using their NStreme Polling protocol. Cool. GPS Sync has been very high up on their list, however, the issue at the moment is that conventional serial GPS units lack the necessary timing precision for anything other than raw timesync. I can see where that would be the case 4800 baud is not going to be more accurate enough for a TDM system which is running "fine" slices. "Fat" time slices would work if you limited the number of systems you were willing to negotiate sync with. You wouldn't get too much waste using a less than optimal clock that way. What accuracy are they seeing on serial GPS systems? That said, I can't see why they couldn't sync based on ethernet broadcast packets (lets say, the master radio sends a signal to the slave radios to transmit). That would only work on a per-tower basis, but a master GPS sync could sync up on a lesser precision basis, more often, allowing all the towers to stay fairly in sync. If you only had one clocking unit in the network the network would not need GPS sync. The hardware clock on the clocking unit would be accurate enough. The clocking unit could broadcast sync to all associated units. This would probably require a star topology but it would work just fine, especially if you used GPS to tell each unit how far it was from the master clock so that it could account for RF propagation delay. -m- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Fw: [WISPA FCC] FCC 3650 band response today..
Actually, they have implemented a CSMA/CA bypass on their new 3.0 beta versions, using their NStreme Polling protocol. GPS Sync has been very high up on their list, however, the issue at the moment is that conventional serial GPS units lack the necessary timing precision for anything other than raw timesync. That said, I can't see why they couldn't sync based on ethernet broadcast packets (lets say, the master radio sends a signal to the slave radios to transmit). That would only work on a per-tower basis, but a master GPS sync could sync up on a lesser precision basis, more often, allowing all the towers to stay fairly in sync. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael J. Erskine Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 3:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fw: [WISPA FCC] FCC 3650 band response today.. All of that said, do you know of a TDM radio card that comes in a format which can be installed in a MT router? For that matter do you know of a TDM radio which comes as any kind of card even PCI? There really is no point to GPS sync on a CSMA/CA based system such as 802.11x. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fw: [WISPA FCC] FCC 3650 band response today..
Mike Hammett wrote: I know Mikrotik has been getting beat up over not having it. I guess I wasn't paying attention. Pretty much any reason they stated why they couldn't do it was refuted by seemingly knowledgeable people. As typical, when Mikrotik was proved incorrect, they acted like a bunch of 5 year olds. I have yet to see them do any such thing. It might be useful here to explain that Mikrotik is a vendor of router platforms. It is nice that they have these cool little boards which can accept, *among other things* cool little radios. That does not make them a wireless vendor. For example, we are only marginally interested in using MT at the edge or our network but we are very interested in replacing our existing NOC with a something almost completly MT based. So you see, it may well be that there is no real reason for MT to try to compete in the TDM arena. They don't build radios. They don't have their systems FCC certified but anyone who so chooses could probably make money doing that and then reselling their product. All of that said, do you know of a TDM radio card that comes in a format which can be installed in a MT router? For that matter do you know of a TDM radio which comes as any kind of card even PCI? There really is no point to GPS sync on a CSMA/CA based system such as 802.11x. So the question I have is what sort of system components would one combine with an MT to start doing GPS based TDM communications and the second part is when would I use GPS sync in I was not running a TDM system? Thanks -m- - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "John Scrivner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 12:26 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fw: [WISPA FCC] FCC 3650 band response today.. I personally wish all manufacturers would standardize on a GPS sync system to allow for multiple reuse of frequencies. This is one place where Motorola definitely has the right idea. I have never seen a convincing argument for any reason why GPS sync is not a great thing for reuse of spectrum and I feel it should be encouraged by us to standards bodies who are designing the future generations of unlicensed radio platforms. Is there a downside to GPS sync? Scriv Mike Hammett wrote: How difficult is it to engineer sectors with greater isolation? With only 50 MHz, we're going to have to become champions of spectrum reuse. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Principal WISPA Member List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 1:00 PM Subject: [WISPA] Fw: [WISPA FCC] FCC 3650 band response today.. Getting closer to a 3650 reality! Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage) Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: "Dan Lubar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "FCC Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 9:54 AM Subject: [WISPA FCC] FCC 3650 band response today.. Greetings everyone.. I wanted to make everyone aware of today's published response from the FCC regarding the reconsideration of its 3650 NPRM.. http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-07-99A1.pdf Note that the petitions for reconsideration of this rule making have been denied and 3650 band usage in the United States is now one step closer. Respectfully, Dan Lubar RelayServices ___ FCC mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/fcc -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Re: [WISPA FCC] FCC 3650 bandresponsetoday..the lawyerswin most
You are right that it will be a little while (not too long though). It is still a project to for the FCC to prepare the labs, databases, etc. and run the first systems through the process. Patrick -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 8:02 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Re: [WISPA FCC] FCC 3650 bandresponsetoday..the lawyerswin most I think he's referring to having BreezeMAX in other bands, with different rules. I imagine it'll be a few months before anyone could get 3650 certified. I think in all of that 30 pages of "stuff" in the report, someone stated December. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "John Scrivner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 7:51 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Re: [WISPA FCC] FCC 3650 band responsetoday..the lawyerswin most > >>Now, as to your main question about Alvarion...let's just say things are >>moving. BreezeMAX, the .16e TDD version has now been commercially >>shipping inside the U.S. for a few months so it is a real option. >>BreezeACCESS VL is also a real option. >> >> > So...VL has a 3650 version ready to go right now? This is the first I > heard of that. I figured your Breezemax version was ready for primetime > but just wanted to know for sure. Prices? Lead time for delivery once the > R&O comes out? What channel band space and speeds will each deliver? Are > these point to point only? Any word from the beltway on when we might see > the R&O? > Scriv > > > -- > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer viruses(190). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer viruses(43). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer viruses(84). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer viruses. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Fw: [WISPA FCC] FCC 3650 band response today..
That is all about beamforming technologies (i.e. "smart" antennae). The odds are not good that you will see these technologies in this band, at least not at any cost that WISPs will want to buy. Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 5:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fw: [WISPA FCC] FCC 3650 band response today.. What exactly does this translate to? 106 Id. Specifically, the Commission permitted systems using sectorized antennas "to operate with an aggregate transmit output power transmitted simultaneously on all beams of up to 8 dB above the limit for an individual beam." Id. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Principal WISPA Member List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 1:00 PM Subject: [WISPA] Fw: [WISPA FCC] FCC 3650 band response today.. > Getting closer to a 3650 reality! > Marlon > (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage) > Consulting services > 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since > 1999! > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > www.odessaoffice.com/wireless > www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam > > > > - Original Message - > From: "Dan Lubar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "FCC Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 9:54 AM > Subject: [WISPA FCC] FCC 3650 band response today.. > > >> Greetings everyone.. >> >> I wanted to make everyone aware of today's published response from the >> FCC regarding the reconsideration of its 3650 NPRM.. >> >> http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-07-99A1.pdf >> >> Note that the petitions for reconsideration of this rule making have >> been denied and 3650 band usage in the United States is now one step >> closer. >> >> Respectfully, >> >> Dan Lubar >> RelayServices >> ___ >> FCC mailing list >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/fcc >> > -- > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer viruses(190). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer viruses(42). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer viruses(84). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals & computer viruses. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Re: [WISPA FCC] FCC 3650 band responsetoday..the lawyerswin most
I think he's referring to having BreezeMAX in other bands, with different rules. I imagine it'll be a few months before anyone could get 3650 certified. I think in all of that 30 pages of "stuff" in the report, someone stated December. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "John Scrivner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 7:51 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Re: [WISPA FCC] FCC 3650 band responsetoday..the lawyerswin most Now, as to your main question about Alvarion...let's just say things are moving. BreezeMAX, the .16e TDD version has now been commercially shipping inside the U.S. for a few months so it is a real option. BreezeACCESS VL is also a real option. So...VL has a 3650 version ready to go right now? This is the first I heard of that. I figured your Breezemax version was ready for primetime but just wanted to know for sure. Prices? Lead time for delivery once the R&O comes out? What channel band space and speeds will each deliver? Are these point to point only? Any word from the beltway on when we might see the R&O? Scriv -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fw: [WISPA FCC] FCC 3650 band response today..
I know Mikrotik has been getting beat up over not having it. Pretty much any reason they stated why they couldn't do it was refuted by seemingly knowledgeable people. As typical, when Mikrotik was proved incorrect, they acted like a bunch of 5 year olds. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "John Scrivner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 12:26 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fw: [WISPA FCC] FCC 3650 band response today.. I personally wish all manufacturers would standardize on a GPS sync system to allow for multiple reuse of frequencies. This is one place where Motorola definitely has the right idea. I have never seen a convincing argument for any reason why GPS sync is not a great thing for reuse of spectrum and I feel it should be encouraged by us to standards bodies who are designing the future generations of unlicensed radio platforms. Is there a downside to GPS sync? Scriv Mike Hammett wrote: How difficult is it to engineer sectors with greater isolation? With only 50 MHz, we're going to have to become champions of spectrum reuse. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Principal WISPA Member List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 1:00 PM Subject: [WISPA] Fw: [WISPA FCC] FCC 3650 band response today.. Getting closer to a 3650 reality! Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage) Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: "Dan Lubar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "FCC Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 9:54 AM Subject: [WISPA FCC] FCC 3650 band response today.. Greetings everyone.. I wanted to make everyone aware of today's published response from the FCC regarding the reconsideration of its 3650 NPRM.. http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-07-99A1.pdf Note that the petitions for reconsideration of this rule making have been denied and 3650 band usage in the United States is now one step closer. Respectfully, Dan Lubar RelayServices ___ FCC mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/fcc -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fw: [WISPA FCC] FCC 3650 band response today..
Well, in 2.4 there is room for another channel or two. I believe that most WISPs survive because there is no or little competition. In a couple years, 2 or 3 meg services won't be sufficient and WISPs will have to deliver that. Besides, bigger pipes come cheaper per meg, lowering your per customer costs. 802.11b channels 1, 6, and 11 aren't going to cut it and 120* sectors allow for too much potential interference. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Doug Ratcliffe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 9:45 AM Subject: RE: [WISPA] Fw: [WISPA FCC] FCC 3650 band response today.. Reminder: 2.4 is about 50mhz too, and even though it's pretty trashed most of us can still use it to some degree. Now think about 2.4 with 1% of the garbage transmissions. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, June 08, 2007 10:37 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fw: [WISPA FCC] FCC 3650 band response today.. How difficult is it to engineer sectors with greater isolation? With only 50 MHz, we're going to have to become champions of spectrum reuse. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Principal WISPA Member List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 1:00 PM Subject: [WISPA] Fw: [WISPA FCC] FCC 3650 band response today.. Getting closer to a 3650 reality! Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage) Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: "Dan Lubar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "FCC Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 9:54 AM Subject: [WISPA FCC] FCC 3650 band response today.. Greetings everyone.. I wanted to make everyone aware of today's published response from the FCC regarding the reconsideration of its 3650 NPRM.. http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-07-99A1.pdf Note that the petitions for reconsideration of this rule making have been denied and 3650 band usage in the United States is now one step closer. Respectfully, Dan Lubar RelayServices ___ FCC mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/fcc -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.9/832 - Release Date: 6/4/2007 6:43 PM -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fw: [WISPA FCC] FCC 3650 band response today..
What exactly does this translate to? 106 Id. Specifically, the Commission permitted systems using sectorized antennas "to operate with an aggregate transmit output power transmitted simultaneously on all beams of up to 8 dB above the limit for an individual beam." Id. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Principal WISPA Member List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 1:00 PM Subject: [WISPA] Fw: [WISPA FCC] FCC 3650 band response today.. Getting closer to a 3650 reality! Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage) Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: "Dan Lubar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "FCC Discussion" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 9:54 AM Subject: [WISPA FCC] FCC 3650 band response today.. Greetings everyone.. I wanted to make everyone aware of today's published response from the FCC regarding the reconsideration of its 3650 NPRM.. http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-07-99A1.pdf Note that the petitions for reconsideration of this rule making have been denied and 3650 band usage in the United States is now one step closer. Respectfully, Dan Lubar RelayServices ___ FCC mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/fcc -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
