[WISPA] OT: Cell Phone Repeaters.
Have any of you guys installed cell phone repeaters for places before? I have a boat dock that needs Verizon cell phone service repeated but have no clue to really go about doing it. We have spoke to Wilson Antenna and they say we need at least a -80dB or so on our handheld cell phone to be able to repeat it. Just wondering if anyone else has done this before and what kind of results they have had? TIA. Dial-Up Internet service from Info-Ed, Inc. as low as $9.99/mth. Check out www.info-ed.com for information. ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Merchant Services
BofA resells Cybersource. I find the subscription interface to be a GREAT method of billing customers. I just set them up as a monthly bill @ whatever amount with whatever the setup fee is. The system bills the customer for you each month and emails them an invoice that you can customize. It also emails the customer when their card is about to expire. I check the system once a month or so to see what customers cards have expired or failed. The best part is that I don't have to store any credit cards onsite. This reduces my liability and places it in BofAs hands. ryan On Sep 5, 2007, at 8:07 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: I go through my local bank. marlon - Original Message - From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA List" Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 4:29 PM Subject: [WISPA] Merchant Services I'm speaking to my bank as well as looking at QuickBooks and PayPal for merchant services (CC processing). Opinions? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- -- ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http:// www.ispcon.com/register.php ** -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http:// www.ispcon.com/register.php ** -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: [wireless]Emerald Incident #57098 for [EMAIL PROTECTED] (1 Wireless Conn)]
John - Sir - I am sorry - this was all my fault. My dog got killed the morning the Post Office called in with trouble. When I finished scraping the puppy off of the road, my hamster came down with pink eye and I had to see to it he was brought into the vet for quick care. DOH ! - John - cut back on the booze :) JohnnyO - Original Message - From: "John Scrivner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Cc: "Dan Hamilton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 10:17 PM Subject: [WISPA] [Fwd: [wireless]Emerald Incident #57098 for [EMAIL PROTECTED] (1 Wireless Conn)] Guys, How did we lose this account? Is our service so bad in Bonnie that satellite is a better option? This is not a rhetorical question. I want to know how we could lose this account. Scriv Original Message Subject: [wireless]Emerald Incident #57098 for [EMAIL PROTECTED] (1 Wireless Conn) Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2007 12:41:02 -0600 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Type: Wireless Problem Please disconnect Bonnie Post Office/Barbara Fetch, they have went with Satellite ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: [wireless]Emerald Incident #57098 for [EMAIL PROTECTED] (1 Wireless Conn)]
Um... maybe they didn't like you leaving the list? :) Travis Microserv John Scrivner wrote: Guys, How did we lose this account? Is our service so bad in Bonnie that satellite is a better option? This is not a rhetorical question. I want to know how we could lose this account. Scriv Original Message Subject: [wireless]Emerald Incident #57098 for [EMAIL PROTECTED] (1 Wireless Conn) Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2007 12:41:02 -0600 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Type: Wireless Problem Please disconnect Bonnie Post Office/Barbara Fetch, they have went with Satellite ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] [Fwd: [wireless]Emerald Incident #57098 for [EMAIL PROTECTED] (1 Wireless Conn)]
Guys, How did we lose this account? Is our service so bad in Bonnie that satellite is a better option? This is not a rhetorical question. I want to know how we could lose this account. Scriv Original Message Subject: [wireless]Emerald Incident #57098 for [EMAIL PROTECTED] (1 Wireless Conn) Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2007 12:41:02 -0600 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Type: Wireless Problem Please disconnect Bonnie Post Office/Barbara Fetch, they have went with Satellite begin:vcard fn:John Scrivner n:Scrivner;John org:Mt. Vernon. Net, Inc. adr;dom:PO Box 1582;;1 Dr Park Road Suite H1;Mt. Vernon;Il;62864 email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:President tel;work:618-244-6868 url:http://www.mvn.net/ version:2.1 end:vcard ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Merchant Services
I go through my local bank. marlon - Original Message - From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA List" Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 4:29 PM Subject: [WISPA] Merchant Services I'm speaking to my bank as well as looking at QuickBooks and PayPal for merchant services (CC processing). Opinions? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Merchant Services
Mike Hammett wrote: > I'm speaking to my bank as well as looking at QuickBooks and PayPal for > merchant services (CC processing). Opinions? > > > > I have been using e-onlinedata/authorize.net for a couple of years and have been very happy with them. They have a lower rate for ISPs and webhosts than for some other types of accounts, so you want to look at that specific page... cheaper than QB, with more options. http://e-onlinedata.com/merchantaccounts/hostisp.php -- John Vogel - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.vogent.net 620-754-3907 Vogel Enterprises, LLC Information Services Provider serving S.E. Kansas ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Merchant Services
I use Authorize.net as the front-end for my automated billing and Cornerstone does the processing. Quick, lots of options, decent cost, good support. Mike Hammett wrote: I'm speaking to my bank as well as looking at QuickBooks and PayPal for merchant services (CC processing). Opinions? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration www.nwwnet.net ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Merchant Services
I'm speaking to my bank as well as looking at QuickBooks and PayPal for merchant services (CC processing). Opinions? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] BGP Engineering
I don't know; it seems like you are trying to solve the wrong set of problems. Why not just build a business model based on paying T1 pricing? This will allow you to get your business rolling now without routing worries like you currently have. Further, you can bond more T1s as your needs grow. When you get sufficient size you can justify going a different direction and possibly even save money. Again, if you have a business model based on T1 pricing then cheaper bandwidth down the road will only help. -Matt Mike Hammett wrote: No, $150 total for 1 meg, I burst to 5 or 6 megs often. I can get a single T1 with a 3 year commit for $517... several times more than the $150 now I pay for 1 meg bursting to 5 or 6. 2xT1 is $1011, 3xT1 is $1490, 4xT1 is $1860. One of the things on my plate is getting fiber built into the tandem CO in town where a dozen carriers exist. Last quote I got from an alternate provider was (IP only) $360 for 3 years for 3 megs burstable to 9 megs. Now that requires me to become a CLEC and build fiber into the CO, but the costs for that provide a whole lot more opportunity and are much better long term than those outrageous T1 fees ($1330 per month at a 6 meg commit goes a long way to paying back the investment in the project). 110 South First St. 815-909 - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] BGP Engineering
oh yeah, in DeKalb, IL 60115 - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Clint Ricker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 1:51 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] BGP Engineering So, about $750-$900 per month? Anyone on the list have a POP in Chicago to share bandwidth (and bandwidth costs!) with Mike? You may want to call around again on that. You can definitely get a quad bonded T1 up there, I'd imagine for about $1,200 a month; if you have any good metro E providers, you can probably get 5 megs for about $800 or so that would be a lot more accomidating than your current setup. What's the address and npa/nxx of your pop? Thanks, -Clint Ricker Kentnis Technologies On 9/5/07, Mike Hammett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: $150 for a meg, though I've routinely hit 5 or 6 megs. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Clint Ricker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 11:00 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] BGP Engineering > Call me stupid, but, don't screw around with your upstream. Get good > reliable connections, don't get fancier than you have to, don't bother > with > VPNs, etc... > > If you want to save money and you have scale (minumum 10-25Mb/s, > 100Mb/s > definitely), get the bandwidth directly from a carrier and supply your own > pipes. But, go with a good carrier and get a good pipe. > > If smaller, at least get good upstream providers. I can't imagine a cost > cheap enough to entice me to start jerryrigging the connection that I'm > relying on for my entire customer base > > You spend too much time and money building your network and your customer > base to kill it over a few hundred a month. If you're too strapped for > cash > to get "good connections", spend the time growing revenue (ie > sales/marketing) rather than cutting costs... > > -Clint Ricker > Kentnis Technology > > > On 9/5/07, Jeff Broadwick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> Would it be possible to bridge to the remote box on the provider's >> provider's NOC? >> >> Jeff >> >> -Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> On >> Behalf Of David E. Smith >> Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 11:37 AM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] BGP Engineering >> >> Mike Hammett wrote: >> > They don't route at all anywhere and have no intention of it. >> >> They have to route something somewhere, unless their whole network is one >> big flat thing, and that just makes me want to weep. >> >> If you're presently using their IP addresses, they probably don't want to >> BGP-peer with you for a host of sound technical reasons. If/when you have >> your own IP allocation, they may well reconsider that position. >> >> > I was getting ready to get my own ASN so I could bring in a second >> > upstream for the redundancy and increased performance that BGP >> > provides. I don't yet have my own block as I can't yet justify >> > something that big. >> >> As long as you're planning to do so in the near future, that shouldn't be >> a >> problem. (The current ARIN guidelines basically say you have to either be >> multihomed, or intend to be multihomed in the next thirty days, to get an >> ASN. They're pretty serious about that, so have plenty of paperwork >> ready.) >> >> Just to avoid weird routing filters and such, it's usually advisable >> to >> get >> a direct IP allocation at or about the same time. Yes, this means >> renumbering your network. No, it's not fun, but in the long-term it needs >> to >> be done anyway. As long as you're presently using most of a /22 (four >> /24s, >> or about 1000 IPs) that shouldn't be a big deal. >> >> > I >> > certainly wouldn't want to pay for anything twice. I envision the VPN >> > endpoint being at my provider's provider, so the only thing between my >> > endpoint and my network is my immediate upstream's network. >> >> Depending on network topology, though, you may still have to cope with >> double-billed traffic. >> >> Suppose there's a switch somewhere, to which your upstream, their >> upstream >> (and the rest of the Internet), and your VPN box are all connected. >> One >> of >> your customers loads a Web page. The page comes in from "the rest of the >> Internet", through that switch, to your VPN box (there's one trip), gets >> VPN'd up, goes back out through that switch (second trip), and across the >> switch to your immediate upstream (there's a third trip). >> >> If you can get it wired up in parallel with your upstream, so it comes in >> through that switch and goes out to your upstream, you may be able to >> avoid >> that kind of double-billing, assuming you're billed by the bit for >> traffic >> in the first place. Of course, if they were clever enough to do that, >> they'd >> probably also be clever enough to handle BGP na
Re: [WISPA] BGP Engineering
No, $150 total for 1 meg, I burst to 5 or 6 megs often. I can get a single T1 with a 3 year commit for $517... several times more than the $150 now I pay for 1 meg bursting to 5 or 6. 2xT1 is $1011, 3xT1 is $1490, 4xT1 is $1860. One of the things on my plate is getting fiber built into the tandem CO in town where a dozen carriers exist. Last quote I got from an alternate provider was (IP only) $360 for 3 years for 3 megs burstable to 9 megs. Now that requires me to become a CLEC and build fiber into the CO, but the costs for that provide a whole lot more opportunity and are much better long term than those outrageous T1 fees ($1330 per month at a 6 meg commit goes a long way to paying back the investment in the project). 110 South First St. 815-909 - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Clint Ricker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 1:51 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] BGP Engineering So, about $750-$900 per month? Anyone on the list have a POP in Chicago to share bandwidth (and bandwidth costs!) with Mike? You may want to call around again on that. You can definitely get a quad bonded T1 up there, I'd imagine for about $1,200 a month; if you have any good metro E providers, you can probably get 5 megs for about $800 or so that would be a lot more accomidating than your current setup. What's the address and npa/nxx of your pop? Thanks, -Clint Ricker Kentnis Technologies On 9/5/07, Mike Hammett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: $150 for a meg, though I've routinely hit 5 or 6 megs. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Clint Ricker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 11:00 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] BGP Engineering > Call me stupid, but, don't screw around with your upstream. Get good > reliable connections, don't get fancier than you have to, don't bother > with > VPNs, etc... > > If you want to save money and you have scale (minumum 10-25Mb/s, > 100Mb/s > definitely), get the bandwidth directly from a carrier and supply your own > pipes. But, go with a good carrier and get a good pipe. > > If smaller, at least get good upstream providers. I can't imagine a cost > cheap enough to entice me to start jerryrigging the connection that I'm > relying on for my entire customer base > > You spend too much time and money building your network and your customer > base to kill it over a few hundred a month. If you're too strapped for > cash > to get "good connections", spend the time growing revenue (ie > sales/marketing) rather than cutting costs... > > -Clint Ricker > Kentnis Technology > > > On 9/5/07, Jeff Broadwick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> Would it be possible to bridge to the remote box on the provider's >> provider's NOC? >> >> Jeff >> >> -Original Message- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> On >> Behalf Of David E. Smith >> Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 11:37 AM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] BGP Engineering >> >> Mike Hammett wrote: >> > They don't route at all anywhere and have no intention of it. >> >> They have to route something somewhere, unless their whole network is one >> big flat thing, and that just makes me want to weep. >> >> If you're presently using their IP addresses, they probably don't want to >> BGP-peer with you for a host of sound technical reasons. If/when you have >> your own IP allocation, they may well reconsider that position. >> >> > I was getting ready to get my own ASN so I could bring in a second >> > upstream for the redundancy and increased performance that BGP >> > provides. I don't yet have my own block as I can't yet justify >> > something that big. >> >> As long as you're planning to do so in the near future, that shouldn't be >> a >> problem. (The current ARIN guidelines basically say you have to either be >> multihomed, or intend to be multihomed in the next thirty days, to get an >> ASN. They're pretty serious about that, so have plenty of paperwork >> ready.) >> >> Just to avoid weird routing filters and such, it's usually advisable >> to >> get >> a direct IP allocation at or about the same time. Yes, this means >> renumbering your network. No, it's not fun, but in the long-term it needs >> to >> be done anyway. As long as you're presently using most of a /22 (four >> /24s, >> or about 1000 IPs) that shouldn't be a big deal. >> >> > I >> > certainly wouldn't want to pay for anything twice. I envision the VPN >> > endpoint being at my provider's provider, so the only thing between my >> > endpoint and my network is my immediate upstream's network. >> >> Depending on network topology, though, you may still have to cope with >> double-billed traffic. >> >> Suppose there's a switch somewhere, to which your upstream, their >> upstream >> (
Re: [WISPA] Reverse DNS troubles
> > And to hijack this a bit: > > I've got four domains hosted on a box with one IP - is it even > possible to set up a reverse DNS so that one IP will return multiple > (or the correct at any given request) domains? No. However, remember that MX and SMTP don't have to actually have anything relating to the domain involved. So, give the box the name " hosting.nolimyn.com" or something similar, setup the RDNS for the IP address for hosting.nolimyn.com. Then, on your other domains, set smtp.domainx.com as a cname for hosting.nolimyn.com and set the mx record for domainx.com to hosting.nolimyn.com. > I'm having the same problem, with spam filters rejecting some emails, > because the reverse DNS for the IP doesn't return the right domain. > Or does anyone know of a cheap way to buy extra IP addresses? That is generally up to your hosting/network provider...However, I can provide you some extra IP addresses for fairly cheap; contact me off list if interested. -Clint Ricker Kentnis Technologies > Cheers, > J > > On 9/4/07, Ryan Langseth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Since you are on their network, I would simply relay the email > > through their server, the lookup will be sent through for server > > which should have a proper rDNS, you may need to set an SPF record > > for the mail server, but that should work ( I have done it like that > > on a dynamic IP before) > > > > > > On Sep 4, 2007, at 1:59 PM, Jason wrote: > > > > > I was afraid of that. These satellite guys are kind of like an > > > onion. There are layers and layers where no one is sure who to > > > work with or where to go. > > > > > > The ip address space is "owned" by a company that is three or four > > > layers up in the reseller chain (I'm told that they own the dish on > > > the other end). > > > > > > Is there no work-around (like the dynamic ip guys or something)? I > > > hate to get that cheesy anyway > > > > > > Can you tell I'm desperate?! > > > > > > Jason > > > > > > Mark Nash wrote: > > >> You must deal with whoever is authoritative in that address space, > > >> probably your immediate upstream provider. Mark Nash > > >> UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http:// > > >> www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message > > >> - From: "Jason" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA > > >> General List" Sent: Tuesday, September 04, > > >> 2007 11:37 AM Subject: [WISPA] Reverse DNS troubles > > >>> Gang, I have started having trouble with my customers email > > >>> getting bounced because other servers are checking the reverse > > >>> dns, which fails to resolve to my domain because my network is > > >>> served by a satellite connection (I'm the epitome of rural). Does > > >>> anyone know of a work-around, or do I have to convince my > > >>> upstream they need to change it to resolve to my domain (which > > >>> may be hard to get to happen.). If I have to work with my > > >>> upstream, how should I go about this / approach it. FYI, they are > > >>> ses-americom.com. The company I purchased the domain through and > > >>> who handles the regular dns lookup (domain to ip) says they can > > >>> not help me because the IP is not in their IP address space. > > >>> Jason > > >>> > > >>> -- > > >> -- > > >>> ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th > > >>> 2007 at > > >> ISPCON ** > > >>> ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com > > >>> ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events > > >>> Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 > > >>> when you register online at > > >> http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** > > >>> > > >>> -- > > >> -- > > >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ > > >>> > > >>> -- > > >> -- > > >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http:// > > >>> lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > >> - > > >> --- ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on > > >> October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October > > >> 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY > > >> EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August > > >> 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at > > >> http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** > > >> - > > >> --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ > > >> - > > >> --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe
Re: [WISPA] Reverse DNS troubles
Like some other people pointed out, a VPS with it's own IP is something like.. $45/ mo. All you have to do is set your email server to forward through a VPS mail server, and setup the reverse DNS for the VPS. Check out linode.com, or any of the other bajillion companies that provide that service. And to hijack this a bit: I've got four domains hosted on a box with one IP - is it even possible to set up a reverse DNS so that one IP will return multiple (or the correct at any given request) domains? I'm having the same problem, with spam filters rejecting some emails, because the reverse DNS for the IP doesn't return the right domain. Or does anyone know of a cheap way to buy extra IP addresses? Cheers, J On 9/4/07, Ryan Langseth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Since you are on their network, I would simply relay the email > through their server, the lookup will be sent through for server > which should have a proper rDNS, you may need to set an SPF record > for the mail server, but that should work ( I have done it like that > on a dynamic IP before) > > > On Sep 4, 2007, at 1:59 PM, Jason wrote: > > > I was afraid of that. These satellite guys are kind of like an > > onion. There are layers and layers where no one is sure who to > > work with or where to go. > > > > The ip address space is "owned" by a company that is three or four > > layers up in the reseller chain (I'm told that they own the dish on > > the other end). > > > > Is there no work-around (like the dynamic ip guys or something)? I > > hate to get that cheesy anyway > > > > Can you tell I'm desperate?! > > > > Jason > > > > Mark Nash wrote: > >> You must deal with whoever is authoritative in that address space, > >> probably your immediate upstream provider. Mark Nash > >> UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http:// > >> www.uwol.net 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax - Original Message > >> - From: "Jason" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA > >> General List" Sent: Tuesday, September 04, > >> 2007 11:37 AM Subject: [WISPA] Reverse DNS troubles > >>> Gang, I have started having trouble with my customers email > >>> getting bounced because other servers are checking the reverse > >>> dns, which fails to resolve to my domain because my network is > >>> served by a satellite connection (I'm the epitome of rural). Does > >>> anyone know of a work-around, or do I have to convince my > >>> upstream they need to change it to resolve to my domain (which > >>> may be hard to get to happen.). If I have to work with my > >>> upstream, how should I go about this / approach it. FYI, they are > >>> ses-americom.com. The company I purchased the domain through and > >>> who handles the regular dns lookup (domain to ip) says they can > >>> not help me because the IP is not in their IP address space. > >>> Jason > >>> > >>> -- > >> -- > >>> ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th > >>> 2007 at > >> ISPCON ** > >>> ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com > >>> ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events > >>> Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 > >>> when you register online at > >> http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** > >>> > >>> -- > >> -- > >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ > >>> > >>> -- > >> -- > >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http:// > >>> lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > >> - > >> --- ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on > >> October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October > >> 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY > >> EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August > >> 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at > >> http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** > >> - > >> --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ > >> - > >> --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/ > >> Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- AV & Spam > >> Filtering by M+Guardian - Risk Free Email (TM) --- > > -- > > -- > > > > ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th > > 2007 at ISPCON ** > > ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** > > ** THE INT
Re: [WISPA] Spectrum Analyzer Picture of Motorola Canopy Signal
Thanks Eric! jack Eric Muehleisen wrote: Here ya go -Eric Jack Unger wrote: By any chance does anyone have a spectrum analyzer picture of the signal from a 900 MHz Motorola canopy system? Thanks, jack ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. FCC License # PG-12-25133 Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Author of the WISP Handbook - "Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs" True Vendor-Neutral Wireless Consulting-Training-Troubleshooting FCC Part 15 Certification for Manufacturers and Service Providers Phone (VoIP Over Broadband Wireless) 818-227-4220 www.ask-wi.com ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] BGP Engineering
So, about $750-$900 per month? Anyone on the list have a POP in Chicago to share bandwidth (and bandwidth costs!) with Mike? You may want to call around again on that. You can definitely get a quad bonded T1 up there, I'd imagine for about $1,200 a month; if you have any good metro E providers, you can probably get 5 megs for about $800 or so that would be a lot more accomidating than your current setup. What's the address and npa/nxx of your pop? Thanks, -Clint Ricker Kentnis Technologies On 9/5/07, Mike Hammett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > $150 for a meg, though I've routinely hit 5 or 6 megs. > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > - Original Message - > From: "Clint Ricker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 11:00 AM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] BGP Engineering > > > > Call me stupid, but, don't screw around with your upstream. Get good > > reliable connections, don't get fancier than you have to, don't bother > > with > > VPNs, etc... > > > > If you want to save money and you have scale (minumum 10-25Mb/s, 100Mb/s > > definitely), get the bandwidth directly from a carrier and supply your > own > > pipes. But, go with a good carrier and get a good pipe. > > > > If smaller, at least get good upstream providers. I can't imagine a > cost > > cheap enough to entice me to start jerryrigging the connection that I'm > > relying on for my entire customer base > > > > You spend too much time and money building your network and your > customer > > base to kill it over a few hundred a month. If you're too strapped for > > cash > > to get "good connections", spend the time growing revenue (ie > > sales/marketing) rather than cutting costs... > > > > -Clint Ricker > > Kentnis Technology > > > > > > On 9/5/07, Jeff Broadwick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > >> Would it be possible to bridge to the remote box on the provider's > >> provider's NOC? > >> > >> Jeff > >> > >> -Original Message- > >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > >> Behalf Of David E. Smith > >> Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 11:37 AM > >> To: WISPA General List > >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] BGP Engineering > >> > >> Mike Hammett wrote: > >> > They don't route at all anywhere and have no intention of it. > >> > >> They have to route something somewhere, unless their whole network is > one > >> big flat thing, and that just makes me want to weep. > >> > >> If you're presently using their IP addresses, they probably don't want > to > >> BGP-peer with you for a host of sound technical reasons. If/when you > have > >> your own IP allocation, they may well reconsider that position. > >> > >> > I was getting ready to get my own ASN so I could bring in a second > >> > upstream for the redundancy and increased performance that BGP > >> > provides. I don't yet have my own block as I can't yet justify > >> > something that big. > >> > >> As long as you're planning to do so in the near future, that shouldn't > be > >> a > >> problem. (The current ARIN guidelines basically say you have to either > be > >> multihomed, or intend to be multihomed in the next thirty days, to get > an > >> ASN. They're pretty serious about that, so have plenty of paperwork > >> ready.) > >> > >> Just to avoid weird routing filters and such, it's usually advisable to > >> get > >> a direct IP allocation at or about the same time. Yes, this means > >> renumbering your network. No, it's not fun, but in the long-term it > needs > >> to > >> be done anyway. As long as you're presently using most of a /22 (four > >> /24s, > >> or about 1000 IPs) that shouldn't be a big deal. > >> > >> > I > >> > certainly wouldn't want to pay for anything twice. I envision the > VPN > >> > endpoint being at my provider's provider, so the only thing between > my > >> > endpoint and my network is my immediate upstream's network. > >> > >> Depending on network topology, though, you may still have to cope with > >> double-billed traffic. > >> > >> Suppose there's a switch somewhere, to which your upstream, their > >> upstream > >> (and the rest of the Internet), and your VPN box are all connected. One > >> of > >> your customers loads a Web page. The page comes in from "the rest of > the > >> Internet", through that switch, to your VPN box (there's one trip), > gets > >> VPN'd up, goes back out through that switch (second trip), and across > the > >> switch to your immediate upstream (there's a third trip). > >> > >> If you can get it wired up in parallel with your upstream, so it comes > in > >> through that switch and goes out to your upstream, you may be able to > >> avoid > >> that kind of double-billing, assuming you're billed by the bit for > >> traffic > >> in the first place. Of course, if they were clever enough to do that, > >> they'd > >> probably also be clever enough to handle BGP natively and you wouldn't > >> have > >> to do this whole VPN song
[WISPA] Looking for an engineer
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Re: [WISPA] BGP Engineering
$150 for a meg, though I've routinely hit 5 or 6 megs. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Clint Ricker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 11:00 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] BGP Engineering Call me stupid, but, don't screw around with your upstream. Get good reliable connections, don't get fancier than you have to, don't bother with VPNs, etc... If you want to save money and you have scale (minumum 10-25Mb/s, 100Mb/s definitely), get the bandwidth directly from a carrier and supply your own pipes. But, go with a good carrier and get a good pipe. If smaller, at least get good upstream providers. I can't imagine a cost cheap enough to entice me to start jerryrigging the connection that I'm relying on for my entire customer base You spend too much time and money building your network and your customer base to kill it over a few hundred a month. If you're too strapped for cash to get "good connections", spend the time growing revenue (ie sales/marketing) rather than cutting costs... -Clint Ricker Kentnis Technology On 9/5/07, Jeff Broadwick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Would it be possible to bridge to the remote box on the provider's provider's NOC? Jeff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 11:37 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] BGP Engineering Mike Hammett wrote: > They don't route at all anywhere and have no intention of it. They have to route something somewhere, unless their whole network is one big flat thing, and that just makes me want to weep. If you're presently using their IP addresses, they probably don't want to BGP-peer with you for a host of sound technical reasons. If/when you have your own IP allocation, they may well reconsider that position. > I was getting ready to get my own ASN so I could bring in a second > upstream for the redundancy and increased performance that BGP > provides. I don't yet have my own block as I can't yet justify > something that big. As long as you're planning to do so in the near future, that shouldn't be a problem. (The current ARIN guidelines basically say you have to either be multihomed, or intend to be multihomed in the next thirty days, to get an ASN. They're pretty serious about that, so have plenty of paperwork ready.) Just to avoid weird routing filters and such, it's usually advisable to get a direct IP allocation at or about the same time. Yes, this means renumbering your network. No, it's not fun, but in the long-term it needs to be done anyway. As long as you're presently using most of a /22 (four /24s, or about 1000 IPs) that shouldn't be a big deal. > I > certainly wouldn't want to pay for anything twice. I envision the VPN > endpoint being at my provider's provider, so the only thing between my > endpoint and my network is my immediate upstream's network. Depending on network topology, though, you may still have to cope with double-billed traffic. Suppose there's a switch somewhere, to which your upstream, their upstream (and the rest of the Internet), and your VPN box are all connected. One of your customers loads a Web page. The page comes in from "the rest of the Internet", through that switch, to your VPN box (there's one trip), gets VPN'd up, goes back out through that switch (second trip), and across the switch to your immediate upstream (there's a third trip). If you can get it wired up in parallel with your upstream, so it comes in through that switch and goes out to your upstream, you may be able to avoid that kind of double-billing, assuming you're billed by the bit for traffic in the first place. Of course, if they were clever enough to do that, they'd probably also be clever enough to handle BGP natively and you wouldn't have to do this whole VPN song-and-dance routine. :) David Smith MVN.net ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** I
Re: [WISPA] BGP Engineering
I suppose another idea is to just have both routers on that same flat network. One is on my tower and the other in my provider's demarc with his upstream. I get an IP block from the upstream through my provider and carve out a /30 out of that to link both of my routers. Not knowing where\how my upstream rate limits makes planning where\how to place my router difficult. The VPN idea came from the fact that I wouldn't have to worry about keeping both routers on the same broadcast domain. I would then pass through existing rate-limiting equipment, etc. I guess I really wouldn't know until I sat down with them to hammer this out. Until I'm ready for BGP, I suppose this also could be used to pass through IP blocks without having to change anything on my provider. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA List" Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 9:41 AM Subject: [WISPA] BGP Engineering My upstream isn't very routing friendly. They're also having some issues, but I believe they'll have it figured out soon. A VPN over their network solves all the current issues. Being as though they aren't routing friendly (and don't want to change their whole network to be routing friendly), they are flexible enough where I imagine that I could put a box at their upstream and VPN over their network so I can do BGP. Thoughts? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Spectrum Analyzer Picture of Motorola Canopy Signal
By any chance does anyone have a spectrum analyzer picture of the signal from a 900 MHz Motorola canopy system? Thanks, jack -- Jack Unger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. FCC License # PG-12-25133 Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Author of the WISP Handbook - "Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs" True Vendor-Neutral Wireless Consulting-Training-Troubleshooting FCC Part 15 Certification for Manufacturers and Service Providers Phone (VoIP Over Broadband Wireless) 818-227-4220 www.ask-wi.com ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] BGP Engineering
Call me stupid, but, don't screw around with your upstream. Get good reliable connections, don't get fancier than you have to, don't bother with VPNs, etc... If you want to save money and you have scale (minumum 10-25Mb/s, 100Mb/s definitely), get the bandwidth directly from a carrier and supply your own pipes. But, go with a good carrier and get a good pipe. If smaller, at least get good upstream providers. I can't imagine a cost cheap enough to entice me to start jerryrigging the connection that I'm relying on for my entire customer base You spend too much time and money building your network and your customer base to kill it over a few hundred a month. If you're too strapped for cash to get "good connections", spend the time growing revenue (ie sales/marketing) rather than cutting costs... -Clint Ricker Kentnis Technology On 9/5/07, Jeff Broadwick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Would it be possible to bridge to the remote box on the provider's > provider's NOC? > > Jeff > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of David E. Smith > Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 11:37 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] BGP Engineering > > Mike Hammett wrote: > > They don't route at all anywhere and have no intention of it. > > They have to route something somewhere, unless their whole network is one > big flat thing, and that just makes me want to weep. > > If you're presently using their IP addresses, they probably don't want to > BGP-peer with you for a host of sound technical reasons. If/when you have > your own IP allocation, they may well reconsider that position. > > > I was getting ready to get my own ASN so I could bring in a second > > upstream for the redundancy and increased performance that BGP > > provides. I don't yet have my own block as I can't yet justify > > something that big. > > As long as you're planning to do so in the near future, that shouldn't be > a > problem. (The current ARIN guidelines basically say you have to either be > multihomed, or intend to be multihomed in the next thirty days, to get an > ASN. They're pretty serious about that, so have plenty of paperwork > ready.) > > Just to avoid weird routing filters and such, it's usually advisable to > get > a direct IP allocation at or about the same time. Yes, this means > renumbering your network. No, it's not fun, but in the long-term it needs > to > be done anyway. As long as you're presently using most of a /22 (four > /24s, > or about 1000 IPs) that shouldn't be a big deal. > > > I > > certainly wouldn't want to pay for anything twice. I envision the VPN > > endpoint being at my provider's provider, so the only thing between my > > endpoint and my network is my immediate upstream's network. > > Depending on network topology, though, you may still have to cope with > double-billed traffic. > > Suppose there's a switch somewhere, to which your upstream, their upstream > (and the rest of the Internet), and your VPN box are all connected. One of > your customers loads a Web page. The page comes in from "the rest of the > Internet", through that switch, to your VPN box (there's one trip), gets > VPN'd up, goes back out through that switch (second trip), and across the > switch to your immediate upstream (there's a third trip). > > If you can get it wired up in parallel with your upstream, so it comes in > through that switch and goes out to your upstream, you may be able to > avoid > that kind of double-billing, assuming you're billed by the bit for traffic > in the first place. Of course, if they were clever enough to do that, > they'd > probably also be clever enough to handle BGP natively and you wouldn't > have > to do this whole VPN song-and-dance routine. :) > > David Smith > MVN.net > > > > > ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at > ISPCON ** > ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** > ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** > ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** > ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at > http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at > ISPCON ** > ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** > ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** > ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass ava
RE: [WISPA] BGP Engineering
Would it be possible to bridge to the remote box on the provider's provider's NOC? Jeff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 11:37 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] BGP Engineering Mike Hammett wrote: > They don't route at all anywhere and have no intention of it. They have to route something somewhere, unless their whole network is one big flat thing, and that just makes me want to weep. If you're presently using their IP addresses, they probably don't want to BGP-peer with you for a host of sound technical reasons. If/when you have your own IP allocation, they may well reconsider that position. > I was getting ready to get my own ASN so I could bring in a second > upstream for the redundancy and increased performance that BGP > provides. I don't yet have my own block as I can't yet justify > something that big. As long as you're planning to do so in the near future, that shouldn't be a problem. (The current ARIN guidelines basically say you have to either be multihomed, or intend to be multihomed in the next thirty days, to get an ASN. They're pretty serious about that, so have plenty of paperwork ready.) Just to avoid weird routing filters and such, it's usually advisable to get a direct IP allocation at or about the same time. Yes, this means renumbering your network. No, it's not fun, but in the long-term it needs to be done anyway. As long as you're presently using most of a /22 (four /24s, or about 1000 IPs) that shouldn't be a big deal. > I > certainly wouldn't want to pay for anything twice. I envision the VPN > endpoint being at my provider's provider, so the only thing between my > endpoint and my network is my immediate upstream's network. Depending on network topology, though, you may still have to cope with double-billed traffic. Suppose there's a switch somewhere, to which your upstream, their upstream (and the rest of the Internet), and your VPN box are all connected. One of your customers loads a Web page. The page comes in from "the rest of the Internet", through that switch, to your VPN box (there's one trip), gets VPN'd up, goes back out through that switch (second trip), and across the switch to your immediate upstream (there's a third trip). If you can get it wired up in parallel with your upstream, so it comes in through that switch and goes out to your upstream, you may be able to avoid that kind of double-billing, assuming you're billed by the bit for traffic in the first place. Of course, if they were clever enough to do that, they'd probably also be clever enough to handle BGP natively and you wouldn't have to do this whole VPN song-and-dance routine. :) David Smith MVN.net ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] BGP Engineering
There is no routing at all anywhere on their network. It's a single broadcast domain with a single router at their upstream. Their upstream does have internal routing. I can obviously route through to the Internet if I'm posting here. My upstream's upstream has AboveNet and recently added AT&T. One of the upstreams I'm looking at has Verizon and Level(3). I would hire someone to tune the BGP settings for optimal performance, price, reliability, etc. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Matt Liotta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 10:28 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] BGP Engineering Mike Hammett wrote: They don't route at all anywhere and have no intention of it. That doesn't make any sense. If you are buying DIA then they need to route everywhere. I was getting ready to get my own ASN so I could bring in a second upstream for the redundancy and increased performance that BGP provides. I don't yet have my own block as I can't yet justify something that big. While you do get redundancy out of BGP you don't necessarily get increased performance. Depending on who you BGP peer with you could actually decrease your performance if you don't know what you are doing. I'm not sure what kind of great deal you have worked out, but if your upstream isn't routing you correctly then it might not be a worthwhile deal. -Matt ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] BGP Engineering
Mike Hammett wrote: They don't route at all anywhere and have no intention of it. They have to route something somewhere, unless their whole network is one big flat thing, and that just makes me want to weep. If you're presently using their IP addresses, they probably don't want to BGP-peer with you for a host of sound technical reasons. If/when you have your own IP allocation, they may well reconsider that position. I was getting ready to get my own ASN so I could bring in a second upstream for the redundancy and increased performance that BGP provides. I don't yet have my own block as I can't yet justify something that big. As long as you're planning to do so in the near future, that shouldn't be a problem. (The current ARIN guidelines basically say you have to either be multihomed, or intend to be multihomed in the next thirty days, to get an ASN. They're pretty serious about that, so have plenty of paperwork ready.) Just to avoid weird routing filters and such, it's usually advisable to get a direct IP allocation at or about the same time. Yes, this means renumbering your network. No, it's not fun, but in the long-term it needs to be done anyway. As long as you're presently using most of a /22 (four /24s, or about 1000 IPs) that shouldn't be a big deal. I certainly wouldn't want to pay for anything twice. I envision the VPN endpoint being at my provider's provider, so the only thing between my endpoint and my network is my immediate upstream's network. Depending on network topology, though, you may still have to cope with double-billed traffic. Suppose there's a switch somewhere, to which your upstream, their upstream (and the rest of the Internet), and your VPN box are all connected. One of your customers loads a Web page. The page comes in from "the rest of the Internet", through that switch, to your VPN box (there's one trip), gets VPN'd up, goes back out through that switch (second trip), and across the switch to your immediate upstream (there's a third trip). If you can get it wired up in parallel with your upstream, so it comes in through that switch and goes out to your upstream, you may be able to avoid that kind of double-billing, assuming you're billed by the bit for traffic in the first place. Of course, if they were clever enough to do that, they'd probably also be clever enough to handle BGP natively and you wouldn't have to do this whole VPN song-and-dance routine. :) David Smith MVN.net ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] BGP Engineering
Mike Hammett wrote: They don't route at all anywhere and have no intention of it. That doesn't make any sense. If you are buying DIA then they need to route everywhere. I was getting ready to get my own ASN so I could bring in a second upstream for the redundancy and increased performance that BGP provides. I don't yet have my own block as I can't yet justify something that big. While you do get redundancy out of BGP you don't necessarily get increased performance. Depending on who you BGP peer with you could actually decrease your performance if you don't know what you are doing. I'm not sure what kind of great deal you have worked out, but if your upstream isn't routing you correctly then it might not be a worthwhile deal. -Matt ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] BGP Engineering
Imagestream routers have a lot of beef. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "David E. Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 10:06 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] BGP Engineering Mike Hammett wrote: Being as though they aren't routing friendly (and don't want to change their whole network to be routing friendly), they are flexible enough where I imagine that I could put a box at their upstream and VPN over their network so I can do BGP. So you have your own direct IP allocation from ARIN, but no way to connect it to the rest of the Internet? Unless and until you talk with their upstream, it's all academic. They'll have to peer with you, and probably talk to everyone they peer with (to get route filters updated and so forth). Unless you have really complex network needs, or you're multihomed, there's not much benefit to running your own BGP peer. Have you considered just asking your immediate upstream to do your BGP announcements for you under their ASN? (I assume they're already running BGP for their own network. If not, things get even more weird and complicated.) The "tunnel your whole network through a VPN" option would probably work, but you'll need a lot of CPU, depending on how big your network is. David Smith MVN.net ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] BGP Engineering
They don't route at all anywhere and have no intention of it. I was getting ready to get my own ASN so I could bring in a second upstream for the redundancy and increased performance that BGP provides. I don't yet have my own block as I can't yet justify something that big. I would have to work out the details with how its done with my provider and his provider. I'm just out to see if its a viable option. I certainly wouldn't want to pay for anything twice. I envision the VPN endpoint being at my provider's provider, so the only thing between my endpoint and my network is my immediate upstream's network. I am currently pretty small and am getting a great deal from my upstream (aside from the lack of routing). I am outside of the Chicago metro area. I am looking at building fiber into the CO to tie in with other providers as my secondary route. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Clint Ricker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 10:04 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] BGP Engineering What do you mean by not "routing friendly"? Do you mean that they don't provide BGP peering? Or, that they just don't really know what they are doing... Unless you have multiple upstream connections, there is (rarely) any reason to do BGP peering yourself. If you have your own ARIN block, most upstream providers will announce it for you and route the traffic accordingly. Where are/would you be doing the VPN? This is an expensive route, since it does mean that you are paying twice for traffic--once through your upstream provider, again through the VPN endpoint (depending on your routing this could actually be triple). Especially given that you seem to be in close proximity to Chicago, your best value / option is likely to get Internet access in a data center and then get some sort of loop without Internet from the data center to your network... Most likely some sort of metro-ethernet product is usually the most cost effective if you're dealing with 100Mb/s or more, smaller connections change the economics drastically... Clint Ricker -Kentnis Tecnologies On 9/5/07, Mike Hammett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: My upstream isn't very routing friendly. They're also having some issues, but I believe they'll have it figured out soon. A VPN over their network solves all the current issues. Being as though they aren't routing friendly (and don't want to change their whole network to be routing friendly), they are flexible enough where I imagine that I could put a box at their upstream and VPN over their network so I can do BGP. Thoughts? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ ---
Re: [WISPA] BGP Engineering
Mike Hammett wrote: Being as though they aren't routing friendly (and don't want to change their whole network to be routing friendly), they are flexible enough where I imagine that I could put a box at their upstream and VPN over their network so I can do BGP. So you have your own direct IP allocation from ARIN, but no way to connect it to the rest of the Internet? Unless and until you talk with their upstream, it's all academic. They'll have to peer with you, and probably talk to everyone they peer with (to get route filters updated and so forth). Unless you have really complex network needs, or you're multihomed, there's not much benefit to running your own BGP peer. Have you considered just asking your immediate upstream to do your BGP announcements for you under their ASN? (I assume they're already running BGP for their own network. If not, things get even more weird and complicated.) The "tunnel your whole network through a VPN" option would probably work, but you'll need a lot of CPU, depending on how big your network is. David Smith MVN.net ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] BGP Engineering
What do you mean by not "routing friendly"? Do you mean that they don't provide BGP peering? Or, that they just don't really know what they are doing... Unless you have multiple upstream connections, there is (rarely) any reason to do BGP peering yourself. If you have your own ARIN block, most upstream providers will announce it for you and route the traffic accordingly. Where are/would you be doing the VPN? This is an expensive route, since it does mean that you are paying twice for traffic--once through your upstream provider, again through the VPN endpoint (depending on your routing this could actually be triple). Especially given that you seem to be in close proximity to Chicago, your best value / option is likely to get Internet access in a data center and then get some sort of loop without Internet from the data center to your network... Most likely some sort of metro-ethernet product is usually the most cost effective if you're dealing with 100Mb/s or more, smaller connections change the economics drastically... Clint Ricker -Kentnis Tecnologies On 9/5/07, Mike Hammett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > My upstream isn't very routing friendly. They're also having some issues, > but I believe they'll have it figured out soon. A VPN over their network > solves all the current issues. > > Being as though they aren't routing friendly (and don't want to change > their whole network to be routing friendly), they are flexible enough where > I imagine that I could put a box at their upstream and VPN over their > network so I can do BGP. > > Thoughts? > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > > ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at > ISPCON ** > ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** > ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** > ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** > ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at > http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] BGP Engineering
My upstream isn't very routing friendly. They're also having some issues, but I believe they'll have it figured out soon. A VPN over their network solves all the current issues. Being as though they aren't routing friendly (and don't want to change their whole network to be routing friendly), they are flexible enough where I imagine that I could put a box at their upstream and VPN over their network so I can do BGP. Thoughts? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] McDonalds
oh, okay. So I have to tell them when I purchase that I want to use it. Gotcha. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Blake Bowers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 9:07 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] McDonalds The times I have used it, I ask when I make the purchase for access. I normally just buy a DDP, and they give me a printed slip that has the user id and password. - Original Message - From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 8:39 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] McDonalds How's that? I've purchased from McDonalds before, but didn't see anything on the hotspot page that would indicate paid users go here to prove you purchased. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Blake Bowers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 8:37 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] McDonalds Look out in the parking lot. You can buy anything, and get access at no charge. I sit in my vehicle and check my emails real quick, and head on down the road. - Original Message - From: "Joe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 10:34 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] McDonalds Has anyone observed how much Mcdonalds hotspots are being used? Im yet to see anyone in the dinning room with a laptop at the ones I go to. Seems like it would be a good place for the cops to do reports or salesmen to do orders. Coffee is cheap too. On the other hand the majority of the coffee houses where I have my internet machines there is standing room only. And every table has a laptop open connected to my A/P there. Joe ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless
Re: [WISPA] McDonalds
The times I have used it, I ask when I make the purchase for access. I normally just buy a DDP, and they give me a printed slip that has the user id and password. - Original Message - From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 8:39 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] McDonalds How's that? I've purchased from McDonalds before, but didn't see anything on the hotspot page that would indicate paid users go here to prove you purchased. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Blake Bowers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 8:37 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] McDonalds Look out in the parking lot. You can buy anything, and get access at no charge. I sit in my vehicle and check my emails real quick, and head on down the road. - Original Message - From: "Joe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 10:34 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] McDonalds Has anyone observed how much Mcdonalds hotspots are being used? Im yet to see anyone in the dinning room with a laptop at the ones I go to. Seems like it would be a good place for the cops to do reports or salesmen to do orders. Coffee is cheap too. On the other hand the majority of the coffee houses where I have my internet machines there is standing room only. And every table has a laptop open connected to my A/P there. Joe ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] McDonalds
How's that? I've purchased from McDonalds before, but didn't see anything on the hotspot page that would indicate paid users go here to prove you purchased. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Blake Bowers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 8:37 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] McDonalds Look out in the parking lot. You can buy anything, and get access at no charge. I sit in my vehicle and check my emails real quick, and head on down the road. - Original Message - From: "Joe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 10:34 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] McDonalds Has anyone observed how much Mcdonalds hotspots are being used? Im yet to see anyone in the dinning room with a laptop at the ones I go to. Seems like it would be a good place for the cops to do reports or salesmen to do orders. Coffee is cheap too. On the other hand the majority of the coffee houses where I have my internet machines there is standing room only. And every table has a laptop open connected to my A/P there. Joe ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] McDonalds
Look out in the parking lot. You can buy anything, and get access at no charge. I sit in my vehicle and check my emails real quick, and head on down the road. - Original Message - From: "Joe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2007 10:34 PM Subject: RE: [WISPA] McDonalds Has anyone observed how much Mcdonalds hotspots are being used? Im yet to see anyone in the dinning room with a laptop at the ones I go to. Seems like it would be a good place for the cops to do reports or salesmen to do orders. Coffee is cheap too. On the other hand the majority of the coffee houses where I have my internet machines there is standing room only. And every table has a laptop open connected to my A/P there. Joe ** Join us at the WISPA Reception at 6:30 PM on October the 16th 2007 at ISPCON ** ** ISPCON Fall 2007 - October 16-18 - San Jose, CA www.ispcon.com ** ** THE INTERNET INDUSTRY EVENT ** ** FREE Exhibits and Events Pass available until August 31 ** ** Use Customer Code WSEMF7 when you register online at http://www.ispcon.com/register.php ** WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
