[WISPA] OT......Question
Sorry for this one guys. Everyone knows I'm an RF guy not a network guy so hence the question...and it is wireless in naturesort of I bought a new laptop for one of my guys. It of course has the dreaded MS Vista on it. Is it possible to partition the hard drive, delete the OS on one partition and load XP without doing anything to the Vista OS??? If yes is there a freeware or other program available to assist my non-OS compliant butt??? :-) If you want to reply offlist thats fine. Tnx. -B- Bob Moldashel [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] OT......Question
I did basically the same thing a long time ago with Partition Magic and OSXL boot loader. I resized the Windows partition, created a small one for OSXL and used the remaining space for linux. Mike Bushard, Jr Wireless Network Engineer 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 10:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] OT..Question Sorry for this one guys. Everyone knows I'm an RF guy not a network guy so hence the question...and it is wireless in naturesort of I bought a new laptop for one of my guys. It of course has the dreaded MS Vista on it. Is it possible to partition the hard drive, delete the OS on one partition and load XP without doing anything to the Vista OS??? If yes is there a freeware or other program available to assist my non-OS compliant butt??? :-) If you want to reply offlist thats fine. Tnx. -B- Bob Moldashel [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT......Question
Vista doesn't need partition magic, it has it's own partition utility built in. So if you want to install linux, open up the vista partition utility, squeeze the partition size down for vista and then install linux. Linux will find the space. Also, no reason why you can't just wipe vista and put xp on there if you really don't want vista. Mike Bushard, Jr wrote: I did basically the same thing a long time ago with Partition Magic and OSXL boot loader. I resized the Windows partition, created a small one for OSXL and used the remaining space for linux. Mike Bushard, Jr Wireless Network Engineer 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 10:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] OT..Question Sorry for this one guys. Everyone knows I'm an RF guy not a network guy so hence the question...and it is wireless in naturesort of I bought a new laptop for one of my guys. It of course has the dreaded MS Vista on it. Is it possible to partition the hard drive, delete the OS on one partition and load XP without doing anything to the Vista OS??? If yes is there a freeware or other program available to assist my non-OS compliant butt??? :-) If you want to reply offlist thats fine. Tnx. -B- Bob Moldashel [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT......Question
That's what I thought. I just need to find a Dummies verson so I can do it! :-) -B- On Dec 9, 2007, at 11:35 AM, Mike Bushard, Jr wrote: I did basically the same thing a long time ago with Partition Magic and OSXL boot loader. I resized the Windows partition, created a small one for OSXL and used the remaining space for linux. Mike Bushard, Jr Wireless Network Engineer 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 10:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] OT..Question Sorry for this one guys. Everyone knows I'm an RF guy not a network guy so hence the question...and it is wireless in naturesort of I bought a new laptop for one of my guys. It of course has the dreaded MS Vista on it. Is it possible to partition the hard drive, delete the OS on one partition and load XP without doing anything to the Vista OS??? If yes is there a freeware or other program available to assist my non-OS compliant butt??? :-) If you want to reply offlist thats fine. Tnx. -B- Bob Moldashel [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Bob Moldashel [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT......Question
Thanks George. I just want to leave Vista on there incase something happens and I need to take the machine back to the geniuses at Best Buy. they love to turn stuff on and blame software for issues. Its a just in case issue. Thanks! -B- On Dec 9, 2007, at 11:41 AM, George Rogato wrote: Vista doesn't need partition magic, it has it's own partition utility built in. So if you want to install linux, open up the vista partition utility, squeeze the partition size down for vista and then install linux. Linux will find the space. Also, no reason why you can't just wipe vista and put xp on there if you really don't want vista. Mike Bushard, Jr wrote: I did basically the same thing a long time ago with Partition Magic and OSXL boot loader. I resized the Windows partition, created a small one for OSXL and used the remaining space for linux. Mike Bushard, Jr Wireless Network Engineer 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 10:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] OT..Question Sorry for this one guys. Everyone knows I'm an RF guy not a network guy so hence the question...and it is wireless in naturesort of I bought a new laptop for one of my guys. It of course has the dreaded MS Vista on it. Is it possible to partition the hard drive, delete the OS on one partition and load XP without doing anything to the Vista OS??? If yes is there a freeware or other program available to assist my non-OS compliant butt??? :-) If you want to reply offlist thats fine. Tnx. -B- Bob Moldashel [EMAIL PROTECTED] - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Bob Moldashel [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT......Question
The only other issue you will have is finding all the XP drivers for the laptop. HP/Compaq no longer publish the XP drivers for laptops that come with Vista on them. You can still find them, it just takes a little searching. Travis Microserv Bob Moldashel wrote: Thanks George. I just want to leave Vista on there incase something happens and I need to take the machine back to the geniuses at Best Buy. they love to turn stuff on and blame software for issues. Its a just in case issue. Thanks! -B- On Dec 9, 2007, at 11:41 AM, George Rogato wrote: Vista doesn't need partition magic, it has it's own partition utility built in. So if you want to install linux, open up the vista partition utility, squeeze the partition size down for vista and then install linux. Linux will find the space. Also, no reason why you can't just wipe vista and put xp on there if you really don't want vista. Mike Bushard, Jr wrote: I did basically the same thing a long time ago with Partition Magic and OSXL boot loader. I resized the Windows partition, created a small one for OSXL and used the remaining space for linux. Mike Bushard, Jr Wireless Network Engineer 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 10:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] OT..Question Sorry for this one guys. Everyone knows I'm an RF guy not a network guy so hence the question...and it is wireless in naturesort of I bought a new laptop for one of my guys. It of course has the dreaded MS Vista on it. Is it possible to partition the hard drive, delete the OS on one partition and load XP without doing anything to the Vista OS??? If yes is there a freeware or other program available to assist my non-OS compliant butt??? :-) If you want to reply offlist thats fine. Tnx. -B- Bob Moldashel [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Bob Moldashel [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] OT......Question
Bob: Take a look at http://apcmag.com/5023/dual_booting_xp_with_vista And goto the section labeled: Get Started - Using DISKPART.. Don't pay any attention to the steps prior to the Get Started - Using DISKPART... It is very straight forward and simple... It works.. I have done this for multiple laptops that I put in the field. -- Regards, Ty Carter, President Strategic Network Consultants, Inc. 524 East 9th Street Washington, NC 27889 252-946-0351 .::. Office 252-402-5296 .::. Cell 252-946-8763 .::. Fax E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit us on the web at: http://www.strategicconsultants.net -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 11:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] OT..Question Sorry for this one guys. Everyone knows I'm an RF guy not a network guy so hence the question...and it is wireless in naturesort of I bought a new laptop for one of my guys. It of course has the dreaded MS Vista on it. Is it possible to partition the hard drive, delete the OS on one partition and load XP without doing anything to the Vista OS??? If yes is there a freeware or other program available to assist my non-OS compliant butt??? :-) If you want to reply offlist thats fine. Tnx. -B- Bob Moldashel [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT......Question
In a message dated 12/9/2007 11:25:05 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: dreaded MS Vista Why is everyone so down on Vista? I have been using it for a long time, starting with the Beta Version-now using the Ultimate Version, without problems [laptops and PC's]. I think it is more a learning curve with so many changes from the earlier versions. Vista is here to stay and you should be learning it-not going backwards. Walter W. Stumpf Jr. Xanadu Group Inc. 179 Statesville Quarry Road Lafayette NJ 07848-3128 USA 973-702-3899 fax 775-667-1995 **Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop000301) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT......Question
Agreed. This happens with every OS release... It's OH SO HORRIBLE... but then in a year or so, everyone forgets their fabricated fears. I've been using Vista for about 4 months and have 0 issues with Vista itself. Sure, I've had problems with vendors who are slow to update software\drivers, but that's not Microsoft's fault... that's the fault of lazy vendors *cough* DELL *cough*. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 11:57 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT..Question In a message dated 12/9/2007 11:25:05 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: dreaded MS Vista Why is everyone so down on Vista? I have been using it for a long time, starting with the Beta Version-now using the Ultimate Version, without problems [laptops and PC's]. I think it is more a learning curve with so many changes from the earlier versions. Vista is here to stay and you should be learning it-not going backwards. Walter W. Stumpf Jr. Xanadu Group Inc. 179 Statesville Quarry Road Lafayette NJ 07848-3128 USA 973-702-3899 fax 775-667-1995 **Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop000301) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT......Question
K. Tnx Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2007 10:17:12 To:WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT..Question The only other issue you will have is finding all the XP drivers for the laptop. HP/Compaq no longer publish the XP drivers for laptops that come with Vista on them. You can still find them, it just takes a little searching. Travis Microserv Bob Moldashel wrote: Thanks George. I just want to leave Vista on there incase something happens and I need to take the machine back to the geniuses at Best Buy. they love to turn stuff on and blame software for issues. Its a just in case issue. Thanks! -B- On Dec 9, 2007, at 11:41 AM, George Rogato wrote: Vista doesn't need partition magic, it has it's own partition utility built in. So if you want to install linux, open up the vista partition utility, squeeze the partition size down for vista and then install linux. Linux will find the space. Also, no reason why you can't just wipe vista and put xp on there if you really don't want vista. Mike Bushard, Jr wrote: I did basically the same thing a long time ago with Partition Magic and OSXL boot loader. I resized the Windows partition, created a small one for OSXL and used the remaining space for linux. Mike Bushard, Jr Wireless Network Engineer 320-256-WISP (9477) 320-256-9478 Fax -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 10:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] OT..Question Sorry for this one guys. Everyone knows I'm an RF guy not a network guy so hence the question...and it is wireless in naturesort of I bought a new laptop for one of my guys. It of course has the dreaded MS Vista on it. Is it possible to partition the hard drive, delete the OS on one partition and load XP without doing anything to the Vista OS??? If yes is there a freeware or other program available to assist my non-OS compliant butt??? :-) If you want to reply offlist thats fine. Tnx. -B- Bob Moldashel [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Bob Moldashel [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT......Question
Thats because in about a year, SP1 will be released and clear up the major problems.I consider the first version of any new MS OS to be a release candidate at best. Frankly if they do not clean up the Usability of Vista, it will be the OS the drives me completely to OS X or Linux. I already use the alternatives to windows a majority of the time anyways, its just certain programs that I still need windows (hint: Alvarion BreezeConfig for instance). But apple and the major linux distros are working to eliminating that need _without_ having to piece it together myself. These alternative OS's are also producing better products, I upgraded my old ibook to 10.5 without having to do any upgrade on the hardware, and 10.5 seems to be faster than 10.4. While part of this is because of the limited hardware Apple needs to support, they still were able to make major upgrades, support 2 hardware architectures, and it is still built better. The desktop linux distros are getting closer to products that anyone can use, again there is no hardware upgrade needed. You can see these alternatives are scaring MS, just look at graphics, Vista supports OpenGL as a software compatibility in DirectX, and its performance is poor. Why? Because they want to lock game developers to their proprietary system, so that those games cannot be ported to other OS's which I personally hope backfires on them. Microsoft needs to drop the monopolistic, proprietary attitude. Right now they can't even produce a standards compliant web browser because of their business tactics. Even Microsoft isn't using Vista on everything. They are pushing to get XO to upgrade the OLPC hardware to run XP, not vista, because they know they will never get vista to run on lower performance machines. They also know they will lose entire continents to Linux if the OLPC with linux becomes popular. Frankly a lot of people do not use vista because of compatibility and usability issues, once those are cleared up, right around SP1's release, I will give it a try again as a personal system. But it will be another 6 moths to a year until major corporations are ready to deploy it, They need to do regression testing, compatibility testing, upgrades, etc. System changes should never be attempted ad-hoc, unless you want to waste a lot of money and time. DELL is not to blame for the drivers, they don't produce the hardware, they put it into systems. blame the companies that make the components and chipsets, Intel, Broadcom, ATI, Nvidia, and etc. Also make sure that when you lay that blame on them, you need to make sure that the APIs available to them from MS were complete for vista. Microsoft's blame on the hardware issues is somewhat apparent, how many features were dropped, severely changed or rewritten during the much delayed release of Vista, they released it not because it was ready, but because they needed to do something Just as much has to be blamed on the software vendors that produce crap that runs on the OS, the numerous hacks that MS has to build into the new versions of each OS to support poorly written third party applications is ridiculous. Ryan On Dec 9, 2007, at 12:18 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Agreed. This happens with every OS release... It's OH SO HORRIBLE... but then in a year or so, everyone forgets their fabricated fears. I've been using Vista for about 4 months and have 0 issues with Vista itself. Sure, I've had problems with vendors who are slow to update software\drivers, but that's not Microsoft's fault... that's the fault of lazy vendors *cough* DELL *cough*. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 11:57 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT..Question In a message dated 12/9/2007 11:25:05 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: dreaded MS Vista Why is everyone so down on Vista? I have been using it for a long time, starting with the Beta Version-now using the Ultimate Version, without problems [laptops and PC's]. I think it is more a learning curve with so many changes from the earlier versions. Vista is here to stay and you should be learning it-not going backwards. Walter W. Stumpf Jr. Xanadu Group Inc. 179 Statesville Quarry Road Lafayette NJ 07848-3128 USA 973-702-3899 fax 775-667-1995 **Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop000301 ) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
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It is not so much the new OS but the fact that many aftermarket programs do not work with it. And forget about printer drivers. I have a plotter that is relatively new and there is no chance for a driver to work with Vista. If you use it for present day sofware you are fine. Bob Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 12:57:00 To:wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT..Question In a message dated 12/9/2007 11:25:05 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: dreaded MS Vista Why is everyone so down on Vista? I have been using it for a long time, starting with the Beta Version-now using the Ultimate Version, without problems [laptops and PC's]. I think it is more a learning curve with so many changes from the earlier versions. Vista is here to stay and you should be learning it-not going backwards. Walter W. Stumpf Jr. Xanadu Group Inc. 179 Statesville Quarry Road Lafayette NJ 07848-3128 USA 973-702-3899 fax 775-667-1995 **Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop000301) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT......Question
My appologies to the list. The one thing i was hoping to avoid was an OS thread. We all know how that discussion loads up the list hard drive. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT......Question
Will do. Tnx Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Ty Carter Lightwave Communications [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2007 12:45:32 To:WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: RE: [WISPA] OT..Question Bob: Take a look at http://apcmag.com/5023/dual_booting_xp_with_vista And goto the section labeled: Get Started - Using DISKPART.. Don't pay any attention to the steps prior to the Get Started - Using DISKPART... It is very straight forward and simple... It works.. I have done this for multiple laptops that I put in the field. -- Regards, Ty Carter, President Strategic Network Consultants, Inc. 524 East 9th Street Washington, NC 27889 252-946-0351 .::. Office 252-402-5296 .::. Cell 252-946-8763 .::. Fax E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit us on the web at: http://www.strategicconsultants.net -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 11:29 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] OT..Question Sorry for this one guys. Everyone knows I'm an RF guy not a network guy so hence the question...and it is wireless in naturesort of I bought a new laptop for one of my guys. It of course has the dreaded MS Vista on it. Is it possible to partition the hard drive, delete the OS on one partition and load XP without doing anything to the Vista OS??? If yes is there a freeware or other program available to assist my non-OS compliant butt??? :-) If you want to reply offlist thats fine. Tnx. -B- Bob Moldashel [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT......Question
No, no, Dell is to blame. If a component manufacturer makes something and someone else puts it on their board\in their machine, they are the responsible ones. ATI makes 64 bit Vista drivers, Dell does not have them available. ATI won't install because it's a Dell machine. There are many other drivers not available through Dell that are through someone else. Dell also doesn't have their software ready for this platform. There are plenty of device manufacturers that don't have the drivers, though. I don't buy the not having time to test... Vista betas and release candidates have been available to developers for a couple years. Vista release candidates were available to just about anyone else several months before release. They had time, they just chose to slack off since they could blame it on someone else... kinda like cable companies forcing their customers to digital systems and blaming it on the government's efforts to stop analog broadcasts. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Ryan Langseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 1:26 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT..Question Thats because in about a year, SP1 will be released and clear up the major problems.I consider the first version of any new MS OS to be a release candidate at best. Frankly if they do not clean up the Usability of Vista, it will be the OS the drives me completely to OS X or Linux. I already use the alternatives to windows a majority of the time anyways, its just certain programs that I still need windows (hint: Alvarion BreezeConfig for instance). But apple and the major linux distros are working to eliminating that need _without_ having to piece it together myself. These alternative OS's are also producing better products, I upgraded my old ibook to 10.5 without having to do any upgrade on the hardware, and 10.5 seems to be faster than 10.4. While part of this is because of the limited hardware Apple needs to support, they still were able to make major upgrades, support 2 hardware architectures, and it is still built better. The desktop linux distros are getting closer to products that anyone can use, again there is no hardware upgrade needed. You can see these alternatives are scaring MS, just look at graphics, Vista supports OpenGL as a software compatibility in DirectX, and its performance is poor. Why? Because they want to lock game developers to their proprietary system, so that those games cannot be ported to other OS's which I personally hope backfires on them. Microsoft needs to drop the monopolistic, proprietary attitude. Right now they can't even produce a standards compliant web browser because of their business tactics. Even Microsoft isn't using Vista on everything. They are pushing to get XO to upgrade the OLPC hardware to run XP, not vista, because they know they will never get vista to run on lower performance machines. They also know they will lose entire continents to Linux if the OLPC with linux becomes popular. Frankly a lot of people do not use vista because of compatibility and usability issues, once those are cleared up, right around SP1's release, I will give it a try again as a personal system. But it will be another 6 moths to a year until major corporations are ready to deploy it, They need to do regression testing, compatibility testing, upgrades, etc. System changes should never be attempted ad-hoc, unless you want to waste a lot of money and time. DELL is not to blame for the drivers, they don't produce the hardware, they put it into systems. blame the companies that make the components and chipsets, Intel, Broadcom, ATI, Nvidia, and etc. Also make sure that when you lay that blame on them, you need to make sure that the APIs available to them from MS were complete for vista. Microsoft's blame on the hardware issues is somewhat apparent, how many features were dropped, severely changed or rewritten during the much delayed release of Vista, they released it not because it was ready, but because they needed to do something Just as much has to be blamed on the software vendors that produce crap that runs on the OS, the numerous hacks that MS has to build into the new versions of each OS to support poorly written third party applications is ridiculous. Ryan On Dec 9, 2007, at 12:18 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: Agreed. This happens with every OS release... It's OH SO HORRIBLE... but then in a year or so, everyone forgets their fabricated fears. I've been using Vista for about 4 months and have 0 issues with Vista itself. Sure, I've had problems with vendors who are slow to update software\drivers, but that's not Microsoft's fault... that's the fault of lazy vendors *cough* DELL *cough*. - Mike Hammett
RE: [WISPA] OT......Question
Try driveragent.com for odd drivers. I have a Sony Vaio from Japan and couldn't find an English ethernet driver, but I found one on there. At our computer store we use it daily for any odd driver. It's not free but the subscription is invaluable to us as computer people. It's an ActiveX control that scans your devices and has a library of device codes for nearly everything. -Original Message- From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 2:54 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT..Question No, no, Dell is to blame. If a component manufacturer makes something and someone else puts it on their board\in their machine, they are the responsible ones. ATI makes 64 bit Vista drivers, Dell does not have them available. ATI won't install because it's a Dell machine. There are many other drivers not available through Dell that are through someone else. Dell also doesn't have their software ready for this platform. There are plenty of device manufacturers that don't have the drivers, though. I don't buy the not having time to test... Vista betas and release candidates have been available to developers for a couple years. Vista release candidates were available to just about anyone else several months before release. They had time, they just chose to slack off since they could blame it on someone else... kinda like cable companies forcing their customers to digital systems and blaming it on the government's efforts to stop analog broadcasts. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Ryan Langseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 1:26 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT..Question Thats because in about a year, SP1 will be released and clear up the major problems.I consider the first version of any new MS OS to be a release candidate at best. Frankly if they do not clean up the Usability of Vista, it will be the OS the drives me completely to OS X or Linux. I already use the alternatives to windows a majority of the time anyways, its just certain programs that I still need windows (hint: Alvarion BreezeConfig for instance). But apple and the major linux distros are working to eliminating that need _without_ having to piece it together myself. These alternative OS's are also producing better products, I upgraded my old ibook to 10.5 without having to do any upgrade [The entire original message is not included] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT......Question
On Sun, 9 Dec 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why is everyone so down on Vista? I have been using it for a long time, starting with the Beta Version-now using the Ultimate Version, without problems [laptops and PC's]. I think it is more a learning curve with so many changes rom the earlier versions. Vista is here to stay and you should be learning t-not going backwards. I agree with the learning and not going backwardsInstall Linux and get started with the learning curve. -- Butch Evans Network Engineering and Security Consulting 573-276-2879 http://www.butchevans.com/ My calendar: http://tinyurl.com/y24ad6 Training Partners: http://tinyurl.com/smfkf Mikrotik Certified Consultant http://www.mikrotik.com/consultants.html WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] OT......Question
Hi Butch, I'm getting close to a decision on a new computer for my family. What Linux desk-top would be best at this point? Jeff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 3:16 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT..Question On Sun, 9 Dec 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why is everyone so down on Vista? I have been using it for a long time, starting with the Beta Version-now using the Ultimate Version, without problems [laptops and PC's]. I think it is more a learning curve with so many changes rom the earlier versions. Vista is here to stay and you should be learning t-not going backwards. I agree with the learning and not going backwardsInstall Linux and get started with the learning curve. -- Butch Evans Network Engineering and Security Consulting 573-276-2879 http://www.butchevans.com/ My calendar: http://tinyurl.com/y24ad6 Training Partners: http://tinyurl.com/smfkf Mikrotik Certified Consultant http://www.mikrotik.com/consultants.html WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT......Question
In a message dated 12/9/2007 6:48:06 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Butch, I'm getting close to a decision on a new computer for my family. What Linux desk-top would be best at this point? Jeff Depending upon how 'top' you need it to be, either buy a HP on sale or call your local High School and get one of the computer students to give you an online shopping list of parts and put it together. Walter **Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop000301) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT......Question
In a message dated 12/9/2007 3:16:25 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sun, 9 Dec 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why is everyone so down on Vista? I have been using it for a long time, starting with the Beta Version-now using the Ultimate Version, without problems [laptops and PC's]. I think it is more a learning curve with so many changes rom the earlier versions. Vista is here to stay and you should be learning t-not going backwards. I agree with the learning and not going backwardsInstall Linux and get started with the learning curve. Maybe if apple or linux had hundreds of thousands of programs written for it, they would be of benefit or offer a little competition to MicroSoft But when it is barely into the hundreds, it is easy to have it work so easily. **Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop000301) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT......Question
Jeff, A "family" computer should still be Windows. Too many programs your family will want to run will require Windows. It's not worth the headaches of a Linux box for "family" use. Travis Microserv Jeff Broadwick wrote: Hi Butch, I'm getting close to a decision on a new computer for my family. What Linux desk-top would be best at this point? Jeff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 3:16 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT..Question On Sun, 9 Dec 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why is everyone so down on Vista? I have been using it for a long time, starting with the Beta Version-now using the Ultimate Version, without problems [laptops and PC's]. I think it is more a learning curve with so many changes rom the earlier versions. Vista is here to stay and you should be learning t-not going backwards. I agree with the "learning and not going backwards"Install Linux and get started with the learning curve. -- Butch Evans Network Engineering and Security Consulting 573-276-2879 http://www.butchevans.com/ My calendar: http://tinyurl.com/y24ad6 Training Partners: http://tinyurl.com/smfkf Mikrotik Certified Consultant http://www.mikrotik.com/consultants.html WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT......Question
Hi, Every single test out there shows Vista is SLOWER on an identical machine running XP. Why would I upgrade to an OS that is slower? Travis Microserv Mike Hammett wrote: Agreed. This happens with every OS release... It's OH SO HORRIBLE... but then in a year or so, everyone forgets their fabricated fears. I've been using Vista for about 4 months and have 0 issues with Vista itself. Sure, I've had problems with vendors who are slow to update software\drivers, but that's not Microsoft's fault... that's the fault of lazy vendors *cough* DELL *cough*. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 11:57 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT..Question In a message dated 12/9/2007 11:25:05 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: dreaded MS Vista Why is everyone so down on Vista? I have been using it for a long time, starting with the Beta Version-now using the Ultimate Version, without problems [laptops and PC's]. I think it is more a learning curve with so many changes from the earlier versions. Vista is here to stay and you should be learning it-not going backwards. Walter W. Stumpf Jr. Xanadu Group Inc. 179 Statesville Quarry Road Lafayette NJ 07848-3128 USA 973-702-3899 fax 775-667-1995 **Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop000301) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] OT......Question
We've standardized on XP/PRO SP2 for the office. We tried Vista and, although some fanatics show it can be a bit but definitely slower, that's not meaningful. The computers, themselves, suffer intractable problems with Vista with less than 2G memory, but with that memory or more, it's OK. (Why it becomes unstable under 2Gb is the subject of wild, physical arguments). We haven't had driver problems. We have had significantly more hang-ups with Vista. Not many, but perhaps 50% more. The GUI is, perhaps, more intuitive but it splits functionality that was, in XP, in one place into several far flung places. It may make more sense but drives the old folks (over 20 years old) crazy. The reallocation of facilities that were in XP-HOME and XP-PRO into fragmented pieces within an array of options of Vista upgrades is driving the support guys nuts. Ordinary users who had a handle on XP are now calling support. The removal of OUTLOOK 2007 from Student/Teacher 2007 meant that folks with a teacher wife and student kids can't use it for work. That just makes people mad at Microsoft. Since we stick with Lenovo/IBM for laptops, etc., we can still order XP/PRO (at a small cost). It doesn't appear that VISTA was a good business/technical decision on Microsoft's part but I'm sure it will pay off through the sales of new PCs. It's not the end of the world...it just appears dumb...really dumb. It turns out that Macintosh computers with Microsoft Office have been more and more popular and we accept that for our system. They have caused no problems...perhaps because the Mac-fanatics stick together and aggressively help each other the way early PC users used to do. There are only a tiny fraction of PC users that utilize applications that aren't available on Macintosh as the same or better. That argument doesn't fly anymore. . . . J o n a t h a n -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 7:02 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT..Question Hi, Every single test out there shows Vista is SLOWER on an identical machine running XP. Why would I upgrade to an OS that is slower? Travis Microserv Mike Hammett wrote: Agreed. This happens with every OS release... It's OH SO HORRIBLE... but then in a year or so, everyone forgets their fabricated fears. I've been using Vista for about 4 months and have 0 issues with Vista itself. Sure, I've had problems with vendors who are slow to update software\drivers, but that's not Microsoft's fault... that's the fault of lazy vendors *cough* DELL *cough*. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 11:57 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT..Question In a message dated 12/9/2007 11:25:05 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: dreaded MS Vista Why is everyone so down on Vista? I have been using it for a long time, starting with the Beta Version-now using the Ultimate Version, without problems [laptops and PC's]. I think it is more a learning curve with so many changes from the earlier versions. Vista is here to stay and you should be learning it-not going backwards. Walter W. Stumpf Jr. Xanadu Group Inc. 179 Statesville Quarry Road Lafayette NJ 07848-3128 USA 973-702-3899 fax 775-667-1995 **Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop000300 0001) - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today!
[WISPA] Orinoco AP with packet loss (AP-1000)
I have a problem that has been killing me lately. I have an Orinoco AP with an Omni antenna. I have about 20 clients or so that are hooked up to it. Lately ONLY at night this gets huge packet loss on the AP. Local noise levels are not great anymore- but they are the same during the day (when it works fine) as they are at night. Before I actually try to find a way to get some spectrum analysis out there during the problem (9:00 pm to about 8-9 am) I was wondering if anyone might have some possibilities or suggestions? It is noisy out that way with 2 other competitors totaling around 6 towers all in 2.4 range. I have noticed a lot of retransmits on the AP in question, but again, the same amount when it is working as when it is not working. the customers have about 0-1% loss during the day and 10-40% loss at night. I have tried many different pig-tails and cards in the unit and checked the cable and connectors Thanks for any help! Regards, Luke WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT......Question
You are either a troll or willfully ignorant. There are tens of thousands of programs available for linux: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ sudo wajig list-names | sed -e '/lib/d' | wc Password: 17883 17883 239642 There are 17883 packages (which do not match the phrase 'lib', to weed out about 7000 libraries) available for immediate installation on my system. On Dec 9, 2007 6:36 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe if apple or linux had hundreds of thousands of programs written for it, they would be of benefit or offer a little competition to MicroSoft But when it is barely into the hundreds, it is easy to have it work so easily. -- Dylan Oliver Primaverity, LLC WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT......Question
Ubuntu Linux is great for a family computer. The install is easier than window, you won't have the headaches of endless virus and spyware removal issues. it is just as easy to learn as M$ windoze and you will find that in the end you are ahead of the game. Anyone who fears linux for the novice user hasn't experienced ubuntu/kubuntu. I have encouraged quite a few budding computer users to make the switch to ubuntu and they have abandoned windoze and aren't looking back. Soon more people will be wondering why we have to pay tax to M$ on every computer we buy. :-) Steve -- Travis Johnson wrote: Jeff, A family computer should still be Windows. Too many programs your family will want to run will require Windows. It's not worth the headaches of a Linux box for family use. Travis Microserv Jeff Broadwick wrote: Hi Butch, I'm getting close to a decision on a new computer for my family. What Linux desk-top would be best at this point? Jeff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 3:16 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT..Question On Sun, 9 Dec 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why is everyone so down on Vista? I have been using it for a long time, starting with the Beta Version-now using the Ultimate Version, without problems [laptops and PC's]. I think it is more a learning curve with so many changes rom the earlier versions. Vista is here to stay and you should be learning t-not going backwards. I agree with the learning and not going backwardsInstall Linux and get started with the learning curve. -- Butch Evans Network Engineering and Security Consulting 573-276-2879 http://www.butchevans.com/ My calendar: http://tinyurl.com/y24ad6 Training Partners: http://tinyurl.com/smfkf Mikrotik Certified Consultant http://www.mikrotik.com/consultants.html WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT......Question
Hi, My two daughters both have laptops. They both play Sims2 with all the expansion packs. Will that run on Ubuntu? What about Roller Coaster Tycoon? What about iTunes for their iPods? Trust me, I would _love_ to be done with Microsoft and Windows... but there is no way to do it at this point (at least that I can see). Travis Microserv Steve wrote: Ubuntu Linux is great for a family computer. The install is easier than window, you won't have the headaches of endless virus and spyware removal issues. it is just as easy to learn as M$ windoze and you will find that in the end you are ahead of the game. Anyone who fears linux for the novice user hasn't experienced ubuntu/kubuntu. I have encouraged quite a few budding computer users to make the switch to ubuntu and they have abandoned windoze and aren't looking back. Soon more people will be wondering why we have to pay tax to M$ on every computer we buy. :-) Steve -- Travis Johnson wrote: Jeff, A "family" computer should still be Windows. Too many programs your family will want to run will require Windows. It's not worth the headaches of a Linux box for "family" use. Travis Microserv Jeff Broadwick wrote: Hi Butch, I'm getting close to a decision on a new computer for my family. What Linux desk-top would be best at this point? Jeff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 3:16 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT..Question On Sun, 9 Dec 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why is everyone so down on Vista? I have been using it for a long time, starting with the Beta Version-now using the Ultimate Version, without problems [laptops and PC's]. I think it is more a learning curve with so many changes rom the earlier versions. Vista is here to stay and you should be learning t-not going backwards. I agree with the "learning and not going backwards"Install Linux and get started with the learning curve. -- Butch Evans Network Engineering and Security Consulting 573-276-2879 http://www.butchevans.com/ My calendar: http://tinyurl.com/y24ad6 Training Partners: http://tinyurl.com/smfkf Mikrotik Certified Consultant http://www.mikrotik.com/consultants.html WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT......Question
Mac OS. ryan On Dec 9, 2007, at 8:04 PM, Travis Johnson wrote: Hi, My two daughters both have laptops. They both play Sims2 with all the expansion packs. Will that run on Ubuntu? What about Roller Coaster Tycoon? What about iTunes for their iPods? Trust me, I would _love_ to be done with Microsoft and Windows... but there is no way to do it at this point (at least that I can see). Travis Microserv Steve wrote: Ubuntu Linux is great for a family computer. The install is easier than window, you won't have the headaches of endless virus and spyware removal issues. it is just as easy to learn as M$ windoze and you will find that in the end you are ahead of the game. Anyone who fears linux for the novice user hasn't experienced ubuntu/kubuntu. I have encouraged quite a few budding computer users to make the switch to ubuntu and they have abandoned windoze and aren't looking back. Soon more people will be wondering why we have to pay tax to M$ on every computer we buy. :-) Steve -- Travis Johnson wrote: Jeff, A family computer should still be Windows. Too many programs your family will want to run will require Windows. It's not worth the headaches of a Linux box for family use. Travis Microserv Jeff Broadwick wrote: Hi Butch, I'm getting close to a decision on a new computer for my family. What Linux desk-top would be best at this point? Jeff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 3:16 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT..Question On Sun, 9 Dec 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why is everyone so down on Vista? I have been using it for a long time, starting with the Beta Version-now using the Ultimate Version, without problems [laptops and PC's]. I think it is more a learning curve with so many changes rom the earlier versions. Vista is here to stay and you should be learning t-not going backwards. I agree with the learning and not going backwardsInstall Linux and get started with the learning curve. -- Butch Evans Network Engineering and Security Consulting 573-276-2879 http://www.butchevans.com/ My calendar: http://tinyurl.com/y24ad6 Training Partners: http://tinyurl.com/smfkf Mikrotik Certified Consultant http://www.mikrotik.com/consultants.html WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Orinoco AP with packet loss (AP-1000)
Luke, This sounds like a water in the connector issue. With moisture in a connector you will see high retransmits when the moisture crystalizes when it changes to ice at night. Time to rip everything apart and look for ANY moisture in the connectors. It also depends on what antenna you are using. We have seen a fair share of omnis and panels weep water over time and lead up to the problem you have. I highly doubt that it is an interference issue only at night. I would rip everything apart. Remove the antenna and shake it listening for moisture. But at the price of an omni I would just change it out to safe. -B- On Dec 9, 2007, at 8:50 PM, Luke Pack wrote: I have a problem that has been killing me lately. I have an Orinoco AP with an Omni antenna. I have about 20 clients or so that are hooked up to it. Lately ONLY at night this gets huge packet loss on the AP. Local noise levels are not great anymore- but they are the same during the day (when it works fine) as they are at night. Before I actually try to find a way to get some spectrum analysis out there during the problem (9:00 pm to about 8-9 am) I was wondering if anyone might have some possibilities or suggestions? It is noisy out that way with 2 other competitors totaling around 6 towers all in 2.4 range. I have noticed a lot of retransmits on the AP in question, but again, the same amount when it is working as when it is not working. the customers have about 0-1% loss during the day and 10-40% loss at night. I have tried many different pig-tails and cards in the unit and checked the cable and connectors Thanks for any help! Regards, Luke -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Bob Moldashel [EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results
Hello all, I am in the need of upgrading some backhauls. We are currently using Alvarion AUVL units with a SU-54-BD. According to Alvarion, this link is only capable of 16mbit each way (Alvarion, please call it a 32mbit radio.) We have looked into results on users who use Alvarion B100, Trango Link 45, etc.. We are open to all options...As long is it works very well. The link is about 3 miles, but we have another link that is causing the need for the upgrade that is about 20 miles. Trango has licensed gear in the 6ghz and 18ghz line that is very impressive, but just too expensive for us right now. I would like to know if people are using B100 what is the up/down max throughput that you have seen? 50/50? etc.. Are you running VoIP over this? Alvarion claims 1000 concurrent calls over this link, i'm sure many of you have not even dented this number. I am growing to be a big fan of Trango, but have been well, but their packet per seconds is a lot less than Alvarion B gear at almost 40,000 compared to trango at around 10,000. Thanks, I man in dire need of a lot of bandwidth, distance and no spectrum to put it -Cameron WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results
Dragonwave and/or Orthogon are some others to consider. Some of my old customers use them here in the Bay Area, California. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello all, I am in the need of upgrading some backhauls. We are currently using Alvarion AUVL units with a SU-54-BD. According to Alvarion, this link is only capable of 16mbit each way (Alvarion, please call it a 32mbit radio.) We have looked into results on users who use Alvarion B100, Trango Link 45, etc.. We are open to all options...As long is it works very well. The link is about 3 miles, but we have another link that is causing the need for the upgrade that is about 20 miles. Trango has licensed gear in the 6ghz and 18ghz line that is very impressive, but just too expensive for us right now. I would like to know if people are using B100 what is the up/down max throughput that you have seen? 50/50? etc.. Are you running VoIP over this? Alvarion claims 1000 concurrent calls over this link, i'm sure many of you have not even dented this number. I am growing to be a big fan of Trango, but have been well, but their packet per seconds is a lot less than Alvarion B gear at almost 40,000 compared to trango at around 10,000. Thanks, I man in dire need of a lot of bandwidth, distance and no spectrum to put it -Cameron WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT......Question
The _only_ reason Vista will still be around is because Microsoft is forcing people to buy it with new computers. If they had an installer when the person first turned the computer on that would allow a selection of XP or Vista, I bet 95% of people would pick XP. Travis Microserv Jonathan Schmidt wrote: We've standardized on XP/PRO SP2 for the office. We tried Vista and, although some fanatics show it can be a bit but definitely slower, that's not meaningful. The computers, themselves, suffer intractable problems with Vista with less than 2G memory, but with that memory or more, it's OK. (Why it becomes unstable under 2Gb is the subject of wild, physical arguments). We haven't had driver problems. We have had significantly more hang-ups with Vista. Not many, but perhaps 50% more. The GUI is, perhaps, more intuitive but it splits functionality that was, in XP, in one place into several far flung places. It may make more sense but drives the old folks (over 20 years old) crazy. The reallocation of facilities that were in XP-HOME and XP-PRO into fragmented pieces within an array of options of Vista upgrades is driving the support guys nuts. Ordinary users who had a handle on XP are now calling support. The removal of OUTLOOK 2007 from Student/Teacher 2007 meant that folks with a teacher wife and student kids can't use it for work. That just makes people mad at Microsoft. Since we stick with Lenovo/IBM for laptops, etc., we can still order XP/PRO (at a small cost). It doesn't appear that "VISTA" was a good business/technical decision on Microsoft's part but I'm sure it will pay off through the sales of new PCs. It's not the end of the world...it just appears dumb...really dumb. It turns out that Macintosh computers with Microsoft Office have been more and more popular and we accept that for our system. They have caused no problems...perhaps because the Mac-fanatics stick together and aggressively help each other the way early PC users used to do. There are only a tiny fraction of PC users that utilize applications that aren't available on Macintosh as the same or better. That argument doesn't fly anymore. . . . J o n a t h a n -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 7:02 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT..Question Hi, Every single test out there shows Vista is SLOWER on an identical machine running XP. Why would I "upgrade" to an OS that is slower? Travis Microserv Mike Hammett wrote: Agreed. This happens with every OS release... It's OH SO HORRIBLE... but then in a year or so, everyone forgets their fabricated fears. I've been using Vista for about 4 months and have 0 issues with Vista itself. Sure, I've had problems with vendors who are slow to update software\drivers, but that's not Microsoft's fault... that's the fault of lazy vendors *cough* DELL *cough*. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 11:57 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT..Question In a message dated 12/9/2007 11:25:05 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: dreaded MS Vista Why is everyone so down on Vista? I have been using it for a long time, starting with the Beta Version-now using the Ultimate Version, without problems [laptops and PC's]. I think it is more a learning curve with so many changes from the earlier versions. Vista is here to stay and you should be learning it-not going backwards. Walter W. Stumpf Jr. Xanadu Group Inc. 179 Statesville Quarry Road Lafayette NJ 07848-3128 USA 973-702-3899 fax 775-667-1995 **Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products. (http://money.aol.com/special/hot-products-2007?NCID=aoltop000300 0001) - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] OT......Question
haven't tried those games but some might work with wine http://appdb.winehq.org/appbrowse.php?catId=0 Steve -- Travis Johnson wrote: Hi, My two daughters both have laptops. They both play Sims2 with all the expansion packs. Will that run on Ubuntu? What about Roller Coaster Tycoon? What about iTunes for their iPods? Trust me, I would _love_ to be done with Microsoft and Windows... but there is no way to do it at this point (at least that I can see). Travis Microserv Steve wrote: Ubuntu Linux is great for a family computer. The install is easier than window, you won't have the headaches of endless virus and spyware removal issues. it is just as easy to learn as M$ windoze and you will find that in the end you are ahead of the game. Anyone who fears linux for the novice user hasn't experienced ubuntu/kubuntu. I have encouraged quite a few budding computer users to make the switch to ubuntu and they have abandoned windoze and aren't looking back. Soon more people will be wondering why we have to pay tax to M$ on every computer we buy. :-) Steve -- Travis Johnson wrote: Jeff, A family computer should still be Windows. Too many programs your family will want to run will require Windows. It's not worth the headaches of a Linux box for family use. Travis Microserv Jeff Broadwick wrote: Hi Butch, I'm getting close to a decision on a new computer for my family. What Linux desk-top would be best at this point? Jeff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 3:16 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT..Question On Sun, 9 Dec 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why is everyone so down on Vista? I have been using it for a long time, starting with the Beta Version-now using the Ultimate Version, without problems [laptops and PC's]. I think it is more a learning curve with so many changes rom the earlier versions. Vista is here to stay and you should be learning t-not going backwards. I agree with the learning and not going backwardsInstall Linux and get started with the learning curve. -- Butch Evans Network Engineering and Security Consulting 573-276-2879 http://www.butchevans.com/ My calendar: http://tinyurl.com/y24ad6 Training Partners: http://tinyurl.com/smfkf Mikrotik Certified Consultant http://www.mikrotik.com/consultants.html WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
Re: [WISPA] OT......Question
Now we aren't comparing Apples to Oranges (literally). A new HP laptop that is decent is $600 at Best Buy. The same performance out of a Mac laptop is $1,400. Travis Microserv D. Ryan Spott wrote: Mac OS. ryan On Dec 9, 2007, at 8:04 PM, Travis Johnson wrote: Hi, My two daughters both have laptops. They both play Sims2 with all the expansion packs. Will that run on Ubuntu? What about Roller Coaster Tycoon? What about iTunes for their iPods? Trust me, I would _love_ to be done with Microsoft and Windows... but there is no way to do it at this point (at least that I can see). Travis Microserv Steve wrote: Ubuntu Linux is great for a family computer. The install is easier than window, you won't have the headaches of endless virus and spyware removal issues. it is just as easy to learn as M$ windoze and you will find that in the end you are ahead of the game. Anyone who fears linux for the novice user hasn't experienced ubuntu/kubuntu. I have encouraged quite a few budding computer users to make the switch to ubuntu and they have abandoned windoze and aren't looking back. Soon more people will be wondering why we have to pay tax to M$ on every computer we buy. :-) Steve -- Travis Johnson wrote: Jeff, A family computer should still be Windows. Too many programs your family will want to run will require Windows. It's not worth the headaches of a Linux box for family use. Travis Microserv Jeff Broadwick wrote: Hi Butch, I'm getting close to a decision on a new computer for my family. What Linux desk-top would be best at this point? Jeff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 3:16 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT..Question On Sun, 9 Dec 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why is everyone so down on Vista? I have been using it for a long time, starting with the Beta Version-now using the Ultimate Version, without problems [laptops and PC's]. I think it is more a learning curve with so many changes rom the earlier versions. Vista is here to stay and you should be learning t-not going backwards. I agree with the learning and not going backwardsInstall Linux and get started with the learning curve. -- Butch Evans Network Engineering and Security Consulting 573-276-2879 http://www.butchevans.com/ My calendar: http://tinyurl.com/y24ad6 Training Partners: http://tinyurl.com/smfkf Mikrotik Certified Consultant http://www.mikrotik.com/consultants.html WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results
If you want to stay in the unlicensed spectrum, you could check out the 24GHz range, it should be able to do 3 miles, not sure on the dish size though. Dragonwave has a product in that range. Ryan On Dec 9, 2007, at 10:25 PM, Felix A. Lopez wrote: Dragonwave and/or Orthogon are some others to consider. Some of my old customers use them here in the Bay Area, California. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello all, I am in the need of upgrading some backhauls. We are currently using Alvarion AUVL units with a SU-54-BD. According to Alvarion, this link is only capable of 16mbit each way (Alvarion, please call it a 32mbit radio.) We have looked into results on users who use Alvarion B100, Trango Link 45, etc.. We are open to all options...As long is it works very well. The link is about 3 miles, but we have another link that is causing the need for the upgrade that is about 20 miles. Trango has licensed gear in the 6ghz and 18ghz line that is very impressive, but just too expensive for us right now. I would like to know if people are using B100 what is the up/down max throughput that you have seen? 50/50? etc.. Are you running VoIP over this? Alvarion claims 1000 concurrent calls over this link, i'm sure many of you have not even dented this number. I am growing to be a big fan of Trango, but have been well, but their packet per seconds is a lot less than Alvarion B gear at almost 40,000 compared to trango at around 10,000. Thanks, I man in dire need of a lot of bandwidth, distance and no spectrum to put it -Cameron WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results
Funny you should ask. I tested a B-100 going 500 feet with Qcheck a couple of days ago and got only 38 Mb. I'm not sure if Qcheck reads out correctly or if I have to double it- I was in a hurry. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 11:12 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results Hello all, I am in the need of upgrading some backhauls. We are currently using Alvarion AUVL units with a SU-54-BD. According to Alvarion, this link is only capable of 16mbit each way (Alvarion, please call it a 32mbit radio.) We have looked into results on users who use Alvarion B100, Trango Link 45, etc.. We are open to all options...As long is it works very well. The link is about 3 miles, but we have another link that is causing the need for the upgrade that is about 20 miles. Trango has licensed gear in the 6ghz and 18ghz line that is very impressive, but just too expensive for us right now. I would like to know if people are using B100 what is the up/down max throughput that you have seen? 50/50? etc.. Are you running VoIP over this? Alvarion claims 1000 concurrent calls over this link, i'm sure many of you have not even dented this number. I am growing to be a big fan of Trango, but have been well, but their packet per seconds is a lot less than Alvarion B gear at almost 40,000 compared to trango at around 10,000. Thanks, I man in dire need of a lot of bandwidth, distance and no spectrum to put it -Cameron WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results
What about Tranzeo? Bill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ryan Langseth Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 11:56 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results If you want to stay in the unlicensed spectrum, you could check out the 24GHz range, it should be able to do 3 miles, not sure on the dish size though. Dragonwave has a product in that range. Ryan On Dec 9, 2007, at 10:25 PM, Felix A. Lopez wrote: Dragonwave and/or Orthogon are some others to consider. Some of my old customers use them here in the Bay Area, California. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello all, I am in the need of upgrading some backhauls. We are currently using Alvarion AUVL units with a SU-54-BD. According to Alvarion, this link is only capable of 16mbit each way (Alvarion, please call it a 32mbit radio.) We have looked into results on users who use Alvarion B100, Trango Link 45, etc.. We are open to all options...As long is it works very well. The link is about 3 miles, but we have another link that is causing the need for the upgrade that is about 20 miles. Trango has licensed gear in the 6ghz and 18ghz line that is very impressive, but just too expensive for us right now. I would like to know if people are using B100 what is the up/down max throughput that you have seen? 50/50? etc.. Are you running VoIP over this? Alvarion claims 1000 concurrent calls over this link, i'm sure many of you have not even dented this number. I am growing to be a big fan of Trango, but have been well, but their packet per seconds is a lot less than Alvarion B gear at almost 40,000 compared to trango at around 10,000. Thanks, I man in dire need of a lot of bandwidth, distance and no spectrum to put it -Cameron WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results
Hello Cameron, As good as Alvarion gear is or may be, it is still best effort gear and not committed rate. Many factors will play into what an end user will actually be able to produce across Alvarion gear. If you are looking for a committed rate backhaul you need to look at the Trango GigaLINK gear again. Completely different class of hardware than the VL backhaul products. Yes, it will cost more, but the saying holds true; you get what you pay for. Your 3mile link is a cake walk for 18GHz and if you have the tower space for 6' antennas the 6GHz GigaLINK is perfect for your 20 mile link. BTW Ralph, our tests on the bench with VL between two MikroTik 3GHz routers was decent in HDX. Problem we saw was went you started pushing data heavily in both directions the link all but fell apart. Not what you need to have happen on a critical backhaul. grin Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ralph Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 11:12 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results Funny you should ask. I tested a B-100 going 500 feet with Qcheck a couple of days ago and got only 38 Mb. I'm not sure if Qcheck reads out correctly or if I have to double it- I was in a hurry. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2007 11:12 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Wireless Backhaul options/test/results Hello all, I am in the need of upgrading some backhauls. We are currently using Alvarion AUVL units with a SU-54-BD. According to Alvarion, this link is only capable of 16mbit each way (Alvarion, please call it a 32mbit radio.) We have looked into results on users who use Alvarion B100, Trango Link 45, etc.. We are open to all options...As long is it works very well. The link is about 3 miles, but we have another link that is causing the need for the upgrade that is about 20 miles. Trango has licensed gear in the 6ghz and 18ghz line that is very impressive, but just too expensive for us right now. I would like to know if people are using B100 what is the up/down max throughput that you have seen? 50/50? etc.. Are you running VoIP over this? Alvarion claims 1000 concurrent calls over this link, i'm sure many of you have not even dented this number. I am growing to be a big fan of Trango, but have been well, but their packet per seconds is a lot less than Alvarion B gear at almost 40,000 compared to trango at around 10,000. Thanks, I man in dire need of a lot of bandwidth, distance and no spectrum to put it -Cameron WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
