Re: [WISPA] how to find good wireless integrators?

2008-04-20 Thread Butch Evans
On Sat, 19 Apr 2008, Rogelio wrote: Some of the wireless vendors that I deal with have told me some horror stories about VARs / integrators who are extremely bad. I am aware of some of these, but there are not many. It mostly depends on what you want them to do for you. (1) How do you find

Re: [WISPA] how to find good wireless integrators?

2008-04-20 Thread Butch Evans
On Sat, 19 Apr 2008, Rogelio wrote: One of the areas I'm now looking at is municipality WiFi implementations, as well as 4.9 public safety networks for, say, police and fire department. Now I'm primarily looking at the mesh players (e.g. BelAir, Firetide, SkyPilot, MeshDynamic, Cisco) and am

Re: [WISPA] how to find good wireless integrators?

2008-04-20 Thread Butch Evans
On Sat, 19 Apr 2008, Jim Patient wrote: www.linktechs.net To be open and fair...this is a company Jim is affiliated with. Why don't you at least answer the question, or provide SOMETHING besides the ad -- *Butch Evans

Re: [WISPA] how to find good wireless integrators?

2008-04-20 Thread Butch Evans
On Sat, 19 Apr 2008, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: As for RF and networking skills, I don't think that the networking part is that big of a deal. Anyone can handle that part of your network from While this is partly true, there is significant benefit in engineering a network correctly from BOTH

Re: [WISPA] n00b 802.16 questions

2008-04-20 Thread tonylist
Rogelio Disappointment is only because of the press. People working on the designs, development and working with it day to day will tell you that it works very well based on what the true specs are of both the frequencies and area being testing in. Right now the only option you have for Wimax

Re: [WISPA] how to find good wireless integrators?

2008-04-20 Thread Rogelio
On Sat, Apr 19, 2008 at 11:12 PM, Butch Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 19 Apr 2008, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: As for RF and networking skills, I don't think that the networking part is that big of a deal. Anyone can handle that part of your network from While this is partly

[WISPA] 802.21 / IEEE for WISPA types

2008-04-20 Thread Rogelio
Just found out quite recently about 802.21 and what it'll supposedly do for interconnectivity between 802 and non-802 networks. Hate to admit this, but I didn't know that until, like, yesterday! lol How important is this for the WISPA group? And what other new IEEE standards should someone who

[WISPA] 802.11 channel - Center Freq [MHz] - band mappings - UNII ?

2008-04-20 Thread Rogelio
Until recently, I haven't had to worry about doing anything other than simply specifiying an 802.11 channel on 1,6, or 11. Now, however, I see that there are way more channels available (12/13 in some countries for 802.11b; 53 through 67 / 94 through 175 for 802.11a), and I also see that there

Re: [WISPA] how to find good wireless integrators?

2008-04-20 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
This is true. But the networking expertise is much easier done remotely than the RF stuff is. I know you already know that though :-) marlon - Original Message - From: Butch Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2008 11:12 PM

Re: [WISPA] 802.21 / IEEE for WISPA types

2008-04-20 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
I mostly watch actual shipping product. 802.11 and proprietary. Other than that, there are no real products out there these days I'm looking forward to a polling system that will also have good colo properties. But I keep waiting. marlon - Original Message - From: Rogelio

Re: [WISPA] how to find good wireless integrators?

2008-04-20 Thread Rogelio
On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 10:36 AM, Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is true. But the networking expertise is much easier done remotely than the RF stuff is. I know you already know that though :-) marlon True dat! I fire up PuTTY, do my thing, and often don't even where it's

Re: [WISPA] 802.11 channel - Center Freq [MHz] - band mappings -UNII ?

2008-04-20 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
I've not seen one this good that's current. But here's what I have so far. http://odessaoffice.com/wireless/power_levels.html marlon - Original Message - From: Rogelio [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 9:16 AM Subject: [WISPA]

Re: [WISPA] how to find good wireless integrators?

2008-04-20 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
Grin, yeah. That's one of the reasons it's been so hard for the big boys to do unlicensed. It really requires feet, good feet, on the ground. marlon - Original Message - From: Rogelio [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 10:42 AM

Re: [WISPA] when does a startup WISP become a successful WISP?

2008-04-20 Thread Tom DeReggi
The magic number is relevent to your region. @$35 per sub and 300sub, that wouldn't even cover the roof right fees in my neighborhood. The magic number depends on at one point your reoccurring costs can stop rising, proportional to your revenue. In my marget it wasn't about profitabilty, it

Re: [WISPA] when does a startup WISP become a successful WISP?

2008-04-20 Thread Tom DeReggi
Sure 1 person can support 600 subs. The problem is 1 tech can't be in two places at once. It requires a minimum of two techs, and for efficiencies, preferably 3. And what happens when thereis a global outage, and all 600 subs needed responded to at once? These are the factors that startup forget

Re: [WISPA] how to find good wireless integrators?

2008-04-20 Thread Rogelio
On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 10:52 AM, Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Grin, yeah. That's one of the reasons it's been so hard for the big boys to do unlicensed. It really requires feet, good feet, on the ground. marlon So, which vendors do you feel get it when it comes to addressing

Re: [WISPA] how to find good wireless integrators?

2008-04-20 Thread cw
Valemount StarOS. Rogelio wrote: On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 10:52 AM, Marlon K. Schafer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Grin, yeah. That's one of the reasons it's been so hard for the big boys to do unlicensed. It really requires feet, good feet, on the ground. marlon So, which vendors do you

Re: [WISPA] GSM - WiFi handover

2008-04-20 Thread Bryan Scott
Nigel Bruin wrote: On 19 Apr 2008, at 09:29, Christopher Orr wrote: Rogelio- I believe T-Mobile has that [EMAIL PROTECTED] is the brand. Yup. UMA using Kineto equipment. Handover works well as long as you're not moving too fast. :)

Re: [WISPA] GSM - WiFi handover

2008-04-20 Thread Tom Warfield
My wife drove about 70 mph and maintaned a ssh session I was working in for 3 hours. Then I was done working so I turned off the box. Not bad :) -Original Message- From: Bryan Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 1:38 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] how to find good wireless integrators?

2008-04-20 Thread Butch Evans
On Sun, 20 Apr 2008, Rogelio wrote: I've been doing networking stuff for a while, and I still have to pause and think for a second when it comes to IGMP, RSTP, etc. Yup. There are many times I have to look at the documentation. I've been doing ISP networks since 1993. The more things change,

[WISPA] Future

2008-04-20 Thread Mike Hammett
What do you see as the future of our industry over the next 5 years? ATT is expanding U-Verse (will this be available outside of town?) Verizon is expanding FiOS (will this be available outside of town?) Cable will be using DOCSIS 3 3G will gain more steam WiMAX will have larger and larger shares

Re: [WISPA] Future

2008-04-20 Thread Tom Warfield
You forgot satellite which is picking up steam. Honestly. Now is the time to sell! (hence one of the reasons I sold last month.) Unless your servicing very rural area with almost no population. -Original Message- From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 20,

Re: [WISPA] Future

2008-04-20 Thread Travis Johnson
I would disagree. We are adding 120-140 new subs every month in an area that has 200,000 population total (25,000 square miles). We have cable, DSL, 2.5ghz licensed WiMax, two other WISPs (using Canopy), etc. We are also not the cheapest service in town. You have to provide some value to your

Re: [WISPA] Future

2008-04-20 Thread George
I agree, now is not the time to sell. We are now just getting going . Soon everyone will have to have a broadband connection and that means we should be at least able to double our sizes quickly. Dial up is almost dead. Couldn't be soon enough. Travis Johnson wrote: I would disagree. We are

Re: [WISPA] Future

2008-04-20 Thread Scottie Arnett
I think this message would best be answered by what the FCC is going to do. They seem to squash or auction everything (i.e. BPL, 700Mhz, DSL line sharing, telcos not having to share fiber, etc...) we can get to compete with the big guys in a real effective way. The guys in the big markets that

Re: [WISPA] Future

2008-04-20 Thread Travis Johnson
We are still making money on dial-up... with over 600 accounts still active (at $19.95/month) it still provides a good revenue stream. ;) Travis Microserv George wrote: I agree, now is not the time to sell. We are now just getting going . Soon everyone will have to have a broadband

Re: [WISPA] Future

2008-04-20 Thread Chuck McCown - 2
WiMAX was dead, is dead and will remain dead. OK, not factually true but emotionally true. The cell companies will use WiMax frequencies and technologies but they will be a premium service and not well suited to compete with us for point to multi point fixed wireless. It will never live up

Re: [WISPA] Future

2008-04-20 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
So, would the next five years be a viable time to start a WISP, or is the future really set for those already established WISPs? Thanks, Ryan WiMAX was dead, is dead and will remain dead. OK, not factually true but emotionally true. The cell companies will use WiMax frequencies and

Re: [WISPA] when does a startup WISP become a successful WISP?

2008-04-20 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
Hmm, one employee, that would be me, I'm also the secretary, janitor, installer, tech support, and the list goes on. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of

Re: [WISPA] Future

2008-04-20 Thread Kurt Fankhauser
Start a WISP now and quick, like someone else said, everyone will need broadband pretty soon even if they don't want it, websites are NOT getting less complex... I've noticed a lot of new installs now just because the kids want to play XBOX live and stuff like that. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O.