Re: [WISPA] MikroTik WDS to non-MT devices
The only time I used WDS between MT and non-MT I could not get it to work until I set the wds-mode to dynamic. Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless Jerry Richardson wrote: Is there any issue with getting WDS working with non-mikrotik devices - specifically a vivato access point? I have a WDS interface assigned to the wlan interface and bridge but the MT is not receiving any packets from the Vivato. The MAC's are correct in both radios. Ideas? Tricks? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] feedback request
OK, you guys that make your boxes so nice and pretty What do you do when the equipment you put in no longer works and the replacement is much different? I've started with nice enclosures only to have them turn to crap in a couple of years. marlon - Original Message - From: Rick Harnish [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 4:19 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] feedback request Tracy, Our standard is 6 on small sites, up to 12 on larger sites. I have attached some pictures of how we do it now. I am interested in a solution that would take one power feed! It sure would make cabling easier. Thanks, Rick Harnish -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tracy Tippett Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 7:36 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] feedback request Ladies Gentlemen, I am looking for some feedback. How many POE devices are you typically locating at a single location? Access Point? Customer Premise? What is your highest concentration at a single location? This information is requested to help in design considerations for emerging products Tracy Tippett -- -- Tracy Tippett 1156 N. Turquoise Drive Prescott, AZ 86303 928-776-4742 866-582-7287 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.9/1637 - Release Date: 8/27/2008 7:01 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] feedback request
- Original Message - From: Tracy Tippett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 4:36 PM Subject: [WISPA] feedback request Ladies Gentlemen, I am looking for some feedback. How many POE devices are you typically locating at a single location? I don't quite understand that question. Do you mean radios? Or do you mean all devices? I'll assume you mean radios. I have from none to 10 or so. Most of my sites have 3 to 5 electronic devices at them. Backhaul of some kind, switch, access point. Sometimes there is also a remote reboot device (adding more and more of these as I can afford to). My biggest site has 5 wifi systems, 2 Alvarion vl, airaya for backhaul, and a trango backhaul to another tower. That one will come out when I can get something to run stable at 10 miles, the tranzeo's I bought to put in there lock up. Access Point? All of our AP's run POE now. Even if the device is located indoors with coax running to the antenna. Customer Premise? All are poe. What is your highest concentration at a single location? See above. It would be nice to have a single device (like some of the new POE switches that are out there) to plug them all into. One power supply instead of 20. The problem seems to be one of voltage. I've not found a device that lets me run from 3.4 volts (airaya) to 48 volt (teletronics) and everything in between. When people finally start building the radios to the 802.3af (that's the poe standard isn't it?) 48vdc standard it'll be a LOT easier. For now, we'll use the free poe units that come with the radios vs. anything fancier that costs money. We're putting in better access points, backhauls, switches, UPS units etc. marlon This information is requested to help in design considerations for emerging products Tracy Tippett -- -- Tracy Tippett 1156 N. Turquoise Drive Prescott, AZ 86303 928-776-4742 866-582-7287 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] feedback request
Rick, Nice work. It's not often we see installations posted on any of these discussion lists that are done well enough to be shared IMO. Marlon, Wow, not sure where to even start with you and your comment, so I won't. My guess is you're the type that doesn't make his bed in the morning either. Why bother? You're just going to be in it again that evening, right? No need to make it just to have it get messed up again. geesh Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 10:22 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] feedback request OK, you guys that make your boxes so nice and pretty What do you do when the equipment you put in no longer works and the replacement is much different? I've started with nice enclosures only to have them turn to crap in a couple of years. marlon - Original Message - From: Rick Harnish [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 4:19 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] feedback request Tracy, Our standard is 6 on small sites, up to 12 on larger sites. I have attached some pictures of how we do it now. I am interested in a solution that would take one power feed! It sure would make cabling easier. Thanks, Rick Harnish -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tracy Tippett Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 7:36 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] feedback request Ladies Gentlemen, I am looking for some feedback. How many POE devices are you typically locating at a single location? Access Point? Customer Premise? What is your highest concentration at a single location? This information is requested to help in design considerations for emerging products Tracy Tippett -- -- Tracy Tippett 1156 N. Turquoise Drive Prescott, AZ 86303 928-776-4742 866-582-7287 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.9/1637 - Release Date: 8/27/2008 7:01 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] feedback request
Or the type that does not use toilet paper ... after all its going to get dirty again? ... jejeje Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 12:01 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] feedback request Rick, Nice work. It's not often we see installations posted on any of these discussion lists that are done well enough to be shared IMO. Marlon, Wow, not sure where to even start with you and your comment, so I won't. My guess is you're the type that doesn't make his bed in the morning either. Why bother? You're just going to be in it again that evening, right? No need to make it just to have it get messed up again. geesh Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 10:22 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] feedback request OK, you guys that make your boxes so nice and pretty What do you do when the equipment you put in no longer works and the replacement is much different? I've started with nice enclosures only to have them turn to crap in a couple of years. marlon - Original Message - From: Rick Harnish [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 4:19 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] feedback request Tracy, Our standard is 6 on small sites, up to 12 on larger sites. I have attached some pictures of how we do it now. I am interested in a solution that would take one power feed! It sure would make cabling easier. Thanks, Rick Harnish -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tracy Tippett Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 7:36 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] feedback request Ladies Gentlemen, I am looking for some feedback. How many POE devices are you typically locating at a single location? Access Point? Customer Premise? What is your highest concentration at a single location? This information is requested to help in design considerations for emerging products Tracy Tippett -- -- Tracy Tippett 1156 N. Turquoise Drive Prescott, AZ 86303 928-776-4742 866-582-7287 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.9/1637 - Release Date: 8/27/2008 7:01 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Tranzeo/Mtik disconnect issue...
Does anyone have a Tranzeo or a Mikrotik ticket number I can reference when I open a ticket? Travis? Marlon? http://forum.mikrotik.com/viewtopic.php?f=7t=24971p=127269 ryan WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] feedback request
Something on this list stinks grin Gino Villarini wrote: Or the type that does not use toilet paper ... after all its going to get dirty again? ... jejeje Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 12:01 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] feedback request Rick, Nice work. It's not often we see installations posted on any of these discussion lists that are done well enough to be shared IMO. Marlon, Wow, not sure where to even start with you and your comment, so I won't. My guess is you're the type that doesn't make his bed in the morning either. Why bother? You're just going to be in it again that evening, right? No need to make it just to have it get messed up again. geesh Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 10:22 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] feedback request OK, you guys that make your boxes so nice and pretty What do you do when the equipment you put in no longer works and the replacement is much different? I've started with nice enclosures only to have them turn to crap in a couple of years. marlon - Original Message - From: "Rick Harnish" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; "'WISPA General List'" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 4:19 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] feedback request Tracy, Our standard is 6 on small sites, up to 12 on larger sites. I have attached some pictures of how we do it now. I am interested in a solution that would take one power feed! It sure would make cabling easier. Thanks, Rick Harnish -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Tracy Tippett Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 7:36 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] feedback request Ladies Gentlemen, I am looking for some feedback. How many POE devices are you typically locating at a single location? Access Point? Customer Premise? What is your highest concentration at a single location? This information is requested to help in design considerations for emerging products Tracy Tippett -- -- Tracy Tippett 1156 N. Turquoise Drive Prescott, AZ 86303 928-776-4742 866-582-7287 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.9/1637 - Release Date: 8/27/2008 7:01 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] feedback request
- Original Message - From: Brad Belton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 9:01 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] feedback request Rick, Nice work. It's not often we see installations posted on any of these discussion lists that are done well enough to be shared IMO. Marlon, Wow, not sure where to even start with you and your comment, so I won't. My guess is you're the type that doesn't make his bed in the morning either. Why bother? You're just going to be in it again that evening, right? No need to make it just to have it get messed up again. geesh roflol OK, you got me there! But here's my issue on the boxes. When my customers go down, I want them fixed. NOW. I've found that I can't change everything out to a new product, with new physical requirements, and make things look pretty and do it fast. shrug. marlon Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 10:22 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] feedback request OK, you guys that make your boxes so nice and pretty What do you do when the equipment you put in no longer works and the replacement is much different? I've started with nice enclosures only to have them turn to crap in a couple of years. marlon - Original Message - From: Rick Harnish [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 4:19 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] feedback request Tracy, Our standard is 6 on small sites, up to 12 on larger sites. I have attached some pictures of how we do it now. I am interested in a solution that would take one power feed! It sure would make cabling easier. Thanks, Rick Harnish -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tracy Tippett Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 7:36 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] feedback request Ladies Gentlemen, I am looking for some feedback. How many POE devices are you typically locating at a single location? Access Point? Customer Premise? What is your highest concentration at a single location? This information is requested to help in design considerations for emerging products Tracy Tippett -- -- Tracy Tippett 1156 N. Turquoise Drive Prescott, AZ 86303 928-776-4742 866-582-7287 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.9/1637 - Release Date: 8/27/2008 7:01 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] MT interface randomly dumping clients.
Alvarion are at least $50 more per CPE.Canopy I WISH Alvarion was only $50 more per CPE. If it were, It would be all I used, even if it meant $7500 over 150 CPEs. But in my case, for 54mbps modulation CPEs Mikrotik- Ap $350, su $300, ($650 total) Alvarion- Ap $8000, su $1500 ( $9500 total). I can install 15 Mikrotik customers/buildings for every one Alvarion (15x the capacity). Bust most importantly Mikrotik enables funding buildouts via cash flow, which is invaluable. I really truly love Alvarion's support and product reliabilty, and still think its one of the higher quality products on the market. But I'll never be able to take advantage of it's offering, at those prices. I don't care how good it is, it just isn't worth 15x the cost. Its actually much much more than 15x the cost, once you start factoring that Mikrotiks have multiple ports, and can add AP relay cards/antenna at just $100 each. In my opinion Alvarion will never amount to anything other than a residential CPE, as long as they insist on the crippleware model, to pretend its affordable. And for the residential model, $50 a CPE does make a difference. The Alvarion was designed for the SuperCell model, which is a thing of the past, based on today's noise floor and end users' new speed requirements. The Lucaya, Ligo, Mikrotik type platforms' value propositions, just can't be ignored anymore. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 11:58 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT interface randomly dumping clients. Hi, I understand what you are saying... but I also understand that Canopy and Alvarion are at least $50 more per CPE. So to do 150 installs per month x $50 = $7,500 per month in savings it's pretty hard to just give up. Right now we are doing 30 customers per AP and it's working pretty well... even the gamers seem happy again. Mikrotik told me just today that it is next on their list after adding 802.11n support. I guess we'll see if they can actually make things better. Travis Microserv [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Travis, This was my main reason for being such a critical opponent to your request for Mikrotik support. We fought with Mikrotik over a year to get them to fix the issues and it never happened. We finally stopped about a year ago and went back to Canopy and Alvarion. (More Canopy lately with the 400 series) I can't tell you the number of supouts we sent or the number of tests we ran. We'd be up in the middle of the night, reconfiguring every CPE with different settings and then changing the APs based on their recommendations. Basically, we were doing their field testing for them and to no avail. Nothing they recommended fixed things. They finally said that we didn't have enough horsepower at the AP. So, we bought super powerful PCs for APs. Again, no help. Now they have their own super powerful hardware and it still hasn't fixed the issue. So, for the savings of money on equipment, we invested a lot in R D for both time and dollars. (I have tons of dead equipment sitting here that didn't work.) So, when adding up all the hours debugging for Mikrotik (with no results) and the extra equipment we had to buy to make things work, we bailed. Canopy and Alvarion are cheaper in the long run and we sleep more. We use Mikrotik for a lot of our routers and most of the fights we have fought there have been won. (BGP and OSPF) However, wireless never got better. (For PtMP) As far as support, Alvarion has been fantastic and thrown many resources our way. Although, we haven't needed them lately. Canopy has a large base with lots of third party options and community support. When problems with Canopy have come up, we do see them working on resolving them and software upgrades reflect that. I think Mikrotik's place for us has been reduced to mostly local repeaters. I have many (over 40) MT AP's with SR5 cards on the AP side and Compex WLM54SAG cards on the client side, with RB411's as well. All my clients are the same, and running MT, and they all do the same thing. :(br br Once again, MT is aware of the problem, but rather than fix it, they decide to work on 802.11n support. Who do they think is going to buy more product with 802.11n support when their current product doesn't even work?br br Travisbr Microservbr br Kurt Fankhauser wrote: blockquote cite=mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] type=cite pre wrap=Butch, Nope, I am using the senao NMP-8602+ card on all these AP's. From what I can tell this problem shows its face when you have a mixed CPE's consisting of PRISM/Atheros chipsets. Can I solve this problem by removeing all the PRISM clients At this point I am willing to invest in replacing our old CB3/CPE-200 stuff anyways as it only makes up 10% of my network. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O.
Re: [WISPA] MT interface randomly dumping clients.
What is the Canopy 400 series? How does that compare to the Advantage series? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 10:20 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT interface randomly dumping clients. Travis, This was my main reason for being such a critical opponent to your request for Mikrotik support. We fought with Mikrotik over a year to get them to fix the issues and it never happened. We finally stopped about a year ago and went back to Canopy and Alvarion. (More Canopy lately with the 400 series) I can't tell you the number of supouts we sent or the number of tests we ran. We'd be up in the middle of the night, reconfiguring every CPE with different settings and then changing the APs based on their recommendations. Basically, we were doing their field testing for them and to no avail. Nothing they recommended fixed things. They finally said that we didn't have enough horsepower at the AP. So, we bought super powerful PCs for APs. Again, no help. Now they have their own super powerful hardware and it still hasn't fixed the issue. So, for the savings of money on equipment, we invested a lot in R D for both time and dollars. (I have tons of dead equipment sitting here that didn't work.) So, when adding up all the hours debugging for Mikrotik (with no results) and the extra equipment we had to buy to make things work, we bailed. Canopy and Alvarion are cheaper in the long run and we sleep more. We use Mikrotik for a lot of our routers and most of the fights we have fought there have been won. (BGP and OSPF) However, wireless never got better. (For PtMP) As far as support, Alvarion has been fantastic and thrown many resources our way. Although, we haven't needed them lately. Canopy has a large base with lots of third party options and community support. When problems with Canopy have come up, we do see them working on resolving them and software upgrades reflect that. I think Mikrotik's place for us has been reduced to mostly local repeaters. I have many (over 40) MT AP's with SR5 cards on the AP side and Compex WLM54SAG cards on the client side, with RB411's as well. All my clients are the same, and running MT, and they all do the same thing. :(br br Once again, MT is aware of the problem, but rather than fix it, they decide to work on 802.11n support. Who do they think is going to buy more product with 802.11n support when their current product doesn't even work?br br Travisbr Microservbr br Kurt Fankhauser wrote: blockquote cite=mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] type=cite pre wrap=Butch, Nope, I am using the senao NMP-8602+ card on all these AP's. From what I can tell this problem shows its face when you have a mixed CPE's consisting of PRISM/Atheros chipsets. Can I solve this problem by removeing all the PRISM clients At this point I am willing to invest in replacing our old CB3/CPE-200 stuff anyways as it only makes up 10% of my network. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 a class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated href=http://www.wavelinc.com;www.wavelinc.com/a -Original Message- From: a class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated href=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]/a [a class=moz-txt-link-freetext href=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/a] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 3:16 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT interface randomly dumping clients. On Mon, 25 Aug 2008, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: /pre blockquote type=cite pre wrap=Has anyone else seen this problem I am seeing. On my Mikrotik sites with Atheros AP's the interface will decide to completely dump all of the atheros clients and then they reconnect again within 2 seconds. You can tell this happens because the uptimes are so short. But the prism clients they never get dumped and their uptimes are accurate since they were last power cycled. Take a look at this screen shot you can see the problem clearly. This is happening on ALL of my towers that have Mikrotik AP's. /pre /blockquote pre wrap=! Let me guess...you are using the XR2 or XR5? This is a known issue that is especially bad with Tranzeo client radios and XR2 at the AP. As someone else mentioned, there is a lot of finger pointing going on relating to this issue. From what I can tell, this issue does not have a negative impact on Mikrotik CPE (or most other CPEs for that matter). /pre /blockquote /body /html WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] MT interface randomly dumping clients.
Canopy 400 series is Motorola 5.4GHz (5.8 GHz is coming) OFDM Point to Multipoint Product. Check it out: http://tinyurl.com/6ka7nc Great hardware, and pushes 20Mb with no problems. Viable contender for the WiMAX Market, at a much lower price point. Cheaper than Alvarion too (although more expensive than Canopy AP's and regular Canopy SM's) Daniel White 3-dB Networks -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 2:47 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT interface randomly dumping clients. What is the Canopy 400 series? How does that compare to the Advantage series? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 10:20 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT interface randomly dumping clients. Travis, This was my main reason for being such a critical opponent to your request for Mikrotik support. We fought with Mikrotik over a year to get them to fix the issues and it never happened. We finally stopped about a year ago and went back to Canopy and Alvarion. (More Canopy lately with the 400 series) I can't tell you the number of supouts we sent or the number of tests we ran. We'd be up in the middle of the night, reconfiguring every CPE with different settings and then changing the APs based on their recommendations. Basically, we were doing their field testing for them and to no avail. Nothing they recommended fixed things. They finally said that we didn't have enough horsepower at the AP. So, we bought super powerful PCs for APs. Again, no help. Now they have their own super powerful hardware and it still hasn't fixed the issue. So, for the savings of money on equipment, we invested a lot in R D for both time and dollars. (I have tons of dead equipment sitting here that didn't work.) So, when adding up all the hours debugging for Mikrotik (with no results) and the extra equipment we had to buy to make things work, we bailed. Canopy and Alvarion are cheaper in the long run and we sleep more. We use Mikrotik for a lot of our routers and most of the fights we have fought there have been won. (BGP and OSPF) However, wireless never got better. (For PtMP) As far as support, Alvarion has been fantastic and thrown many resources our way. Although, we haven't needed them lately. Canopy has a large base with lots of third party options and community support. When problems with Canopy have come up, we do see them working on resolving them and software upgrades reflect that. I think Mikrotik's place for us has been reduced to mostly local repeaters. I have many (over 40) MT AP's with SR5 cards on the AP side and Compex WLM54SAG cards on the client side, with RB411's as well. All my clients are the same, and running MT, and they all do the same thing. :(br br Once again, MT is aware of the problem, but rather than fix it, they decide to work on 802.11n support. Who do they think is going to buy more product with 802.11n support when their current product doesn't even work?br br Travisbr Microservbr br Kurt Fankhauser wrote: blockquote cite=mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] type=cite pre wrap=Butch, Nope, I am using the senao NMP-8602+ card on all these AP's. From what I can tell this problem shows its face when you have a mixed CPE's consisting of PRISM/Atheros chipsets. Can I solve this problem by removeing all the PRISM clients At this point I am willing to invest in replacing our old CB3/CPE-200 stuff anyways as it only makes up 10% of my network. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 a class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated href=http://www.wavelinc.com;www.wavelinc.com/a -Original Message- From: a class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated href=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]/a [a class=moz-txt-link-freetext href=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ a] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 3:16 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT interface randomly dumping clients. On Mon, 25 Aug 2008, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: /pre blockquote type=cite pre wrap=Has anyone else seen this problem I am seeing. On my Mikrotik sites with Atheros AP's the interface will decide to completely dump all of the atheros clients and then they reconnect again within 2 seconds. You can tell this happens because the uptimes are so short. But the prism clients they never get dumped and their uptimes are accurate since they were last power cycled. Take a look at this screen shot you can see the problem clearly. This is happening on ALL of my towers that have Mikrotik AP's. /pre /blockquote pre wrap=! Let me guess...you are using the XR2 or XR5? This is a known issue
Re: [WISPA] MT interface randomly dumping clients.
It's pricey but not quite Alvarion bad. Under $3k per AP and $500 CPE. One major difference is that it is OFDM. In terms of speed, if the Advantage is 2X the original Canopy, the 400 series is 3X the original Canopy. Plus, it has GPS sync. What is the Canopy 400 series? How does that compare to the Advantage series? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 10:20 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT interface randomly dumping clients. Travis, This was my main reason for being such a critical opponent to your request for Mikrotik support. We fought with Mikrotik over a year to get them to fix the issues and it never happened. We finally stopped about a year ago and went back to Canopy and Alvarion. (More Canopy lately with the 400 series) I can't tell you the number of supouts we sent or the number of tests we ran. We'd be up in the middle of the night, reconfiguring every CPE with different settings and then changing the APs based on their recommendations. Basically, we were doing their field testing for them and to no avail. Nothing they recommended fixed things. They finally said that we didn't have enough horsepower at the AP. So, we bought super powerful PCs for APs. Again, no help. Now they have their own super powerful hardware and it still hasn't fixed the issue. So, for the savings of money on equipment, we invested a lot in R D for both time and dollars. (I have tons of dead equipment sitting here that didn't work.) So, when adding up all the hours debugging for Mikrotik (with no results) and the extra equipment we had to buy to make things work, we bailed. Canopy and Alvarion are cheaper in the long run and we sleep more. We use Mikrotik for a lot of our routers and most of the fights we have fought there have been won. (BGP and OSPF) However, wireless never got better. (For PtMP) As far as support, Alvarion has been fantastic and thrown many resources our way. Although, we haven't needed them lately. Canopy has a large base with lots of third party options and community support. When problems with Canopy have come up, we do see them working on resolving them and software upgrades reflect that. I think Mikrotik's place for us has been reduced to mostly local repeaters. I have many (over 40) MT AP's with SR5 cards on the AP side and Compex WLM54SAG cards on the client side, with RB411's as well. All my clients are the same, and running MT, and they all do the same thing. :(br br Once again, MT is aware of the problem, but rather than fix it, they decide to work on 802.11n support. Who do they think is going to buy more product with 802.11n support when their current product doesn't even work?br br Travisbr Microservbr br Kurt Fankhauser wrote: blockquote cite=mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] type=cite pre wrap=Butch, Nope, I am using the senao NMP-8602+ card on all these AP's. From what I can tell this problem shows its face when you have a mixed CPE's consisting of PRISM/Atheros chipsets. Can I solve this problem by removeing all the PRISM clients At this point I am willing to invest in replacing our old CB3/CPE-200 stuff anyways as it only makes up 10% of my network. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 a class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated href=http://www.wavelinc.com;www.wavelinc.com/a -Original Message- From: a class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated href=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]/a [a class=moz-txt-link-freetext href=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/a] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 3:16 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT interface randomly dumping clients. On Mon, 25 Aug 2008, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: /pre blockquote type=cite pre wrap=Has anyone else seen this problem I am seeing. On my Mikrotik sites with Atheros AP's the interface will decide to completely dump all of the atheros clients and then they reconnect again within 2 seconds. You can tell this happens because the uptimes are so short. But the prism clients they never get dumped and their uptimes are accurate since they were last power cycled. Take a look at this screen shot you can see the problem clearly. This is happening on ALL of my towers that have Mikrotik AP's. /pre /blockquote pre wrap=! Let me guess...you are using the XR2 or XR5? This is a known issue that is especially bad with Tranzeo client radios and XR2 at the AP. As someone else mentioned, there is a lot of finger pointing going on relating to this issue. From what I can tell, this issue does not have a negative impact on Mikrotik CPE (or most other CPEs for that matter). /pre /blockquote /body /html
Re: [WISPA] MT interface randomly dumping clients.
I know you were just throwing numbers out there, but my MT CPE are $150 and just the antennas for the APs are $350. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 3:46 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT interface randomly dumping clients. Alvarion are at least $50 more per CPE.Canopy I WISH Alvarion was only $50 more per CPE. If it were, It would be all I used, even if it meant $7500 over 150 CPEs. But in my case, for 54mbps modulation CPEs Mikrotik- Ap $350, su $300, ($650 total) Alvarion- Ap $8000, su $1500 ( $9500 total). I can install 15 Mikrotik customers/buildings for every one Alvarion (15x the capacity). Bust most importantly Mikrotik enables funding buildouts via cash flow, which is invaluable. I really truly love Alvarion's support and product reliabilty, and still think its one of the higher quality products on the market. But I'll never be able to take advantage of it's offering, at those prices. I don't care how good it is, it just isn't worth 15x the cost. Its actually much much more than 15x the cost, once you start factoring that Mikrotiks have multiple ports, and can add AP relay cards/antenna at just $100 each. In my opinion Alvarion will never amount to anything other than a residential CPE, as long as they insist on the crippleware model, to pretend its affordable. And for the residential model, $50 a CPE does make a difference. The Alvarion was designed for the SuperCell model, which is a thing of the past, based on today's noise floor and end users' new speed requirements. The Lucaya, Ligo, Mikrotik type platforms' value propositions, just can't be ignored anymore. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson To: WISPA General List Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 11:58 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT interface randomly dumping clients. Hi, I understand what you are saying... but I also understand that Canopy and Alvarion are at least $50 more per CPE. So to do 150 installs per month x $50 = $7,500 per month in savings it's pretty hard to just give up. Right now we are doing 30 customers per AP and it's working pretty well... even the gamers seem happy again. Mikrotik told me just today that it is next on their list after adding 802.11n support. I guess we'll see if they can actually make things better. Travis Microserv [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Travis, This was my main reason for being such a critical opponent to your request for Mikrotik support. We fought with Mikrotik over a year to get them to fix the issues and it never happened. We finally stopped about a year ago and went back to Canopy and Alvarion. (More Canopy lately with the 400 series) I can't tell you the number of supouts we sent or the number of tests we ran. We'd be up in the middle of the night, reconfiguring every CPE with different settings and then changing the APs based on their recommendations. Basically, we were doing their field testing for them and to no avail. Nothing they recommended fixed things. They finally said that we didn't have enough horsepower at the AP. So, we bought super powerful PCs for APs. Again, no help. Now they have their own super powerful hardware and it still hasn't fixed the issue. So, for the savings of money on equipment, we invested a lot in R D for both time and dollars. (I have tons of dead equipment sitting here that didn't work.) So, when adding up all the hours debugging for Mikrotik (with no results) and the extra equipment we had to buy to make things work, we bailed. Canopy and Alvarion are cheaper in the long run and we sleep more. We use Mikrotik for a lot of our routers and most of the fights we have fought there have been won. (BGP and OSPF) However, wireless never got better. (For PtMP) As far as support, Alvarion has been fantastic and thrown many resources our way. Although, we haven't needed them lately. Canopy has a large base with lots of third party options and community support. When problems with Canopy have come up, we do see them working on resolving them and software upgrades reflect that. I think Mikrotik's place for us has been reduced to mostly local repeaters. I have many (over 40) MT AP's with SR5 cards on the AP side and Compex WLM54SAG cards on the client side, with RB411's as well. All my clients are the same, and running MT, and they all do the same thing. :(br br Once again, MT is aware of the problem, but rather than fix it, they decide to work on 802.11n support. Who do they think is going to buy more product with 802.11n support when their current product doesn't even work?br br Travisbr Microservbr
Re: [WISPA] MT interface randomly dumping clients.
I believe it's an Orthogon radio. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Tom DeReggi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 3:47 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT interface randomly dumping clients. What is the Canopy 400 series? How does that compare to the Advantage series? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 10:20 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT interface randomly dumping clients. Travis, This was my main reason for being such a critical opponent to your request for Mikrotik support. We fought with Mikrotik over a year to get them to fix the issues and it never happened. We finally stopped about a year ago and went back to Canopy and Alvarion. (More Canopy lately with the 400 series) I can't tell you the number of supouts we sent or the number of tests we ran. We'd be up in the middle of the night, reconfiguring every CPE with different settings and then changing the APs based on their recommendations. Basically, we were doing their field testing for them and to no avail. Nothing they recommended fixed things. They finally said that we didn't have enough horsepower at the AP. So, we bought super powerful PCs for APs. Again, no help. Now they have their own super powerful hardware and it still hasn't fixed the issue. So, for the savings of money on equipment, we invested a lot in R D for both time and dollars. (I have tons of dead equipment sitting here that didn't work.) So, when adding up all the hours debugging for Mikrotik (with no results) and the extra equipment we had to buy to make things work, we bailed. Canopy and Alvarion are cheaper in the long run and we sleep more. We use Mikrotik for a lot of our routers and most of the fights we have fought there have been won. (BGP and OSPF) However, wireless never got better. (For PtMP) As far as support, Alvarion has been fantastic and thrown many resources our way. Although, we haven't needed them lately. Canopy has a large base with lots of third party options and community support. When problems with Canopy have come up, we do see them working on resolving them and software upgrades reflect that. I think Mikrotik's place for us has been reduced to mostly local repeaters. I have many (over 40) MT AP's with SR5 cards on the AP side and Compex WLM54SAG cards on the client side, with RB411's as well. All my clients are the same, and running MT, and they all do the same thing. :(br br Once again, MT is aware of the problem, but rather than fix it, they decide to work on 802.11n support. Who do they think is going to buy more product with 802.11n support when their current product doesn't even work?br br Travisbr Microservbr br Kurt Fankhauser wrote: blockquote cite=mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] type=cite pre wrap=Butch, Nope, I am using the senao NMP-8602+ card on all these AP's. From what I can tell this problem shows its face when you have a mixed CPE's consisting of PRISM/Atheros chipsets. Can I solve this problem by removeing all the PRISM clients At this point I am willing to invest in replacing our old CB3/CPE-200 stuff anyways as it only makes up 10% of my network. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 a class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated href=http://www.wavelinc.com;www.wavelinc.com/a -Original Message- From: a class=moz-txt-link-abbreviated href=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]/a [a class=moz-txt-link-freetext href=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/a] On Behalf Of Butch Evans Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 3:16 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT interface randomly dumping clients. On Mon, 25 Aug 2008, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: /pre blockquote type=cite pre wrap=Has anyone else seen this problem I am seeing. On my Mikrotik sites with Atheros AP's the interface will decide to completely dump all of the atheros clients and then they reconnect again within 2 seconds. You can tell this happens because the uptimes are so short. But the prism clients they never get dumped and their uptimes are accurate since they were last power cycled. Take a look at this screen shot you can see the problem clearly. This is happening on ALL of my towers that have Mikrotik AP's. /pre /blockquote pre wrap=! Let me guess...you are using the XR2 or XR5? This is a known issue that is especially bad with Tranzeo client radios and XR2 at the AP. As someone else mentioned, there is a lot of finger pointing going on relating to this issue. From what I can tell, this issue does not have a negative impact on Mikrotik CPE
[WISPA] Tranzeo 6000 Series Radios
Forgive my Tranzeo ignorance, but I don't work with the radios often (by choice ;-) I have been asked to help setup two point to point links, with a tower in between two buildings to serve as a repeater. The equipment has already been bought, so I am stuck with what I have. Since the repeater site is only a relay, can I simply daisy chain the two radios together? Will they share data like this, that way I do not need to install two CAT5 cables on the tower and a switch (I do realize I will need to use the 24V power supply instead of the 18V). Thanks for the help in advance Daniel White 3-dB Networks WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Throughput MT
We have a 5ghz backhaul PTP link with MT 532 on one end and 411 on the other. We have a -57 signal ccq in 100% and a potential throughput listed as 30 Mbps on a solid 54M link. However I can never push more than 20 megs through it.? Anyone else have a simular setup doing better? Were using Nstream best fit. Thanks, John Buwa WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Throughput MT
I think you are cpu limited. our setup: 2.4GHz P4 1Gbyte with cm9 card 45ft of lmr-400 between ant and card RB532A with cm9 card 5.18GHz link -68db @ 6Mbps -77db @ 54Mbps link 3200ft Netstream mode, best fit TCP thruput (either direction) 26.4Mbps This is our primary link from our fiber shed to our main dist. tower [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We have a 5ghz backhaul PTP link with MT 532 on one end and 411 on the other. We have a -57 signal ccq in 100% and a potential throughput listed as 30 Mbps on a solid 54M link. However I can never push more than 20 megs through it.? Anyone else have a simular setup doing better? Were using Nstream best fit. Thanks, John Buwa WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] feedback request
You do nice work Rick. Someone posted on the star forums recently that they plugged their 48 volt war board into a Cisco poe switch and it works. I imagine there is a good chance it works with other 48 volt boards as well. George Rick Harnish wrote: Tracy, Our standard is 6 on small sites, up to 12 on larger sites. I have attached some pictures of how we do it now. I am interested in a solution that would take one power feed! It sure would make cabling easier. Thanks, Rick Harnish -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tracy Tippett Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 7:36 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] feedback request Ladies Gentlemen, I am looking for some feedback. How many POE devices are you typically locating at a single location? Access Point? Customer Premise? What is your highest concentration at a single location? This information is requested to help in design considerations for emerging products Tracy Tippett WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] feedback request
On Thu, 28 Aug 2008, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: OK, you guys that make your boxes so nice and pretty What do you do when the equipment you put in no longer works and the replacement is much different? I've started with nice enclosures only to have them turn to crap in a couple of years. I'd say this was more than a couple of years... http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2277/2180039413_f54b142ff4_o.jpg Here's a BIG job...(nicely done): http://www.mrbill.net/mdf/ Anyone care to claim ownership of these? http://www.vibrant.com/cable-messes.php -- *Butch Evans*Professional Network Consultation * *Network Engineering*MikroTik RouterOS * *573-276-2879 *ImageStream * *http://www.butchevans.com/ *StarOS and MORE * *http://blog.butchevans.com/*Wired or wireless Networks* *Mikrotik Certified Consultant *Professional Technical Trainer* WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
