I know you were just throwing numbers out there, but my MT CPE are $150 and just the antennas for the APs are $350.
---------- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -------------------------------------------------- From: "Tom DeReggi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 3:46 PM To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT interface randomly dumping clients. >> Alvarion are at least $50 more per CPE.Canopy > > I WISH Alvarion was only $50 more per CPE. If it were, It would be all I > used, even if it meant $7500 over 150 CPEs. > > But in my case, for 54mbps modulation CPEs.... > > Mikrotik- Ap $350, su $300, ($650 total) > > Alvarion- Ap $8000, su $1500 ( $9500 total). > > I can install 15 Mikrotik customers/buildings for every one Alvarion (15x > the capacity). Bust most importantly Mikrotik enables funding buildouts > via cash flow, which is invaluable. > > I really truly love Alvarion's support and product reliabilty, and still > think its one of the higher quality products on the market. But I'll never > be able to take advantage of it's offering, at those prices. > I don't care how good it is, it just isn't worth 15x the cost. Its > actually much much more than 15x the cost, once you start factoring that > Mikrotiks have multiple ports, and can add AP relay cards/antenna at just > $100 each. > > In my opinion Alvarion will never amount to anything other than a > residential CPE, as long as they insist on the crippleware model, to > pretend its affordable. > And for the residential model, $50 a CPE does make a difference. > The Alvarion was designed for the SuperCell model, which is a thing of the > past, based on today's noise floor and end users' new speed requirements. > > The Lucaya, Ligo, Mikrotik type platforms' value propositions, just can't > be ignored anymore. > > Tom DeReggi > RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc > IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Travis Johnson > To: WISPA General List > Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 11:58 AM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT interface randomly dumping clients. > > > Hi, > > I understand what you are saying... but I also understand that Canopy and > Alvarion are at least $50 more per CPE. So to do 150 installs per month x > $50 = $7,500 per month in savings it's pretty hard to just give up. Right > now we are doing 30 customers per AP and it's working pretty well... even > the gamers seem happy again. > > Mikrotik told me just today that it is next on their list after adding > 802.11n support. I guess we'll see if they can actually make things > better. > > Travis > Microserv > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Travis, > This was my main reason for being such a critical opponent to your > request for Mikrotik support. We fought with Mikrotik over a year to > get them to fix the issues and it never happened. We finally stopped > about a year ago and went back to Canopy and Alvarion. (More Canopy > lately with the 400 series) > I can't tell you the number of supouts we sent or the number of tests > we ran. We'd be up in the middle of the night, reconfiguring every > CPE with different settings and then changing the APs based on their > recommendations. Basically, we were doing their field testing for > them and to no avail. Nothing they recommended fixed things. They > finally said that we didn't have enough horsepower at the AP. So, we > bought super powerful PCs for APs. Again, no help. Now they have > their own super powerful hardware and it still hasn't fixed the > issue. > So, for the savings of money on equipment, we invested a lot in R & D > for both time and dollars. (I have tons of dead equipment sitting > here that didn't work.) > So, when adding up all the hours debugging for Mikrotik (with no > results) and the extra equipment we had to buy to make things work, > we bailed. Canopy and Alvarion are cheaper in the long run and we > sleep more. > We use Mikrotik for a lot of our routers and most of the fights we > have fought there have been won. (BGP and OSPF) However, wireless > never got better. (For PtMP) > As far as support, Alvarion has been fantastic and thrown many > resources our way. Although, we haven't needed them lately. Canopy > has a large base with lots of third party options and community > support. When problems with Canopy have come up, we do see them > working on resolving them and software upgrades reflect that. > I think Mikrotik's place for us has been reduced to mostly local > repeaters. > > > I have many (over 40) MT AP's with SR5 cards on the AP side and Compex > WLM54SAG cards on the client side, with RB411's as well. All my clients > are the same, and running MT, and they all do the same thing. :(<br> > <br> > Once again, MT is aware of the problem, but rather than fix it, they > decide to work on 802.11n support. Who do they think is going to buy > more product with 802.11n support when their current product doesn't > even work?<br> > <br> > Travis<br> > Microserv<br> > <br> > Kurt Fankhauser wrote: > <blockquote cite="mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]" > type="cite"> > <pre wrap="">Butch, > > Nope, I am using the senao NMP-8602+ card on all these AP's. From what I > can > tell this problem shows its face when you have a mixed CPE's consisting of > PRISM/Atheros chipsets. > > Can I solve this problem by removeing all the PRISM clients???? At this > point I am willing to invest in replacing our old CB3/CPE-200 stuff > anyways > as it only makes up 10% of my network. > > Kurt Fankhauser > WAVELINC > P.O. Box 126 > Bucyrus, OH 44820 > 419-562-6405 > <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" > href="http://www.wavelinc.com";>www.wavelinc.com</a> > > > -----Original Message----- > From: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" > href="mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]">[EMAIL PROTECTED]</a> > [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" > href="mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]</a>] > On > Behalf Of Butch Evans > Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 3:16 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT interface randomly dumping clients. > > On Mon, 25 Aug 2008, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: > > </pre> > <blockquote type="cite"> > <pre wrap="">Has anyone else seen this problem I am seeing. On my > Mikrotik sites > with Atheros AP's the interface will decide to completely dump all > of the atheros clients and then they reconnect again within 2 > seconds. You can tell this happens because the uptimes are so > short. But the prism clients they never get dumped and their > uptimes are accurate since they were last power cycled. Take a look > at this screen shot you can see the problem clearly. This is > happening on ALL of my towers that have Mikrotik AP's. > </pre> > </blockquote> > <pre wrap=""><!----> > Let me guess...you are using the XR2 or XR5? This is a known issue > that is especially bad with Tranzeo client radios and XR2 at the AP. > As someone else mentioned, there is a lot of finger pointing going > on relating to this issue. From what I can tell, this issue does > not have a negative impact on Mikrotik CPE (or most other CPEs for > that matter). > > </pre> > </blockquote> > </body> > </html> > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > WISPA Wants You! 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