Re: [WISPA] Remote Powered Access Pont

2008-11-21 Thread John Thomas
Depending on where this is, you may be able to mount a small wind generator.

http://www.solardyne.com/air403wingen.html

John



Chuck McCown - 3 wrote:
> I would use a 100 watt panel minimum.
> And a one month battery.  5watts * 24hours * 30 days = 3600 watt hour 
> battery
> If you are running a 24 volt system then you need 3600/24=150 aH battery.
> If you are running a 12 volt system, you need a 300 aH battery.
>
> You will pay about 30 cents per watt hour for a battery.  So $1080 for the 
> battery.
> You will pay about $5/watt for the panel, so $500 for the panel.
> Charge controllers are about $100 or less.
>
> If you build it this way it will always work.  You can put in half the 
> battery for half the price.  But then you have only two weeks of insurance 
> against bad weather.
>
> Never ever go below 10X the load for the panel, that will just barely cut it 
> in the sunniest of climates.
> Even then you will probably have to put in a back up generator and you will 
> be cycling the crap out of your batts causing them to only last a couple of 
> years.
>
> If you want 99.999% reliability you have to use a panel 24X the size of the 
> load (unless you have a tracking mount, then you can reduce that).
> I try to always use 20X panels and no less than a 2 week battery.  But even 
> then, a week or two of snow on the panels and gray skies every day can cause 
> an outage.
>
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> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 5:33 PM
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>> I'm looking into setting up a remote access point/repeater.
>> Power requirements are 5W. No access to grid power.
>>
>> I was curious what you guys use for this type of thing?
>> I figure I need a 30W solar panel, controller, battery and enclosure.
>> How much should I expect to pay for a setup?
>> Is there anything available off the shelf?
>>
>> Thanks for your help.
>> Scott
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti 3.65

2008-11-21 Thread Mike Hammett
*nods*  It shouldn't perform any differently than any other XR series of 
radio with settings other than frequency the same.

Well, RF-wise it'll be different, but not data wise.


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> Yes, but my message wasn't clear.  When I said
>
> "We have a link that sits at -50 and its max on a 40MHz channel is 70mbps
> aggregate."
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> I wasn't talking about the 3.65 link
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>> Isnt a 40mhz channel in 3.65ghz against the rules?
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>> I really can't remember about throughput.  This was really what the board
>> would do, not the card.  We felt it was the max that the board/card/snr
>> could give which was encouraging as this is on a site that we've had a 
>> TON
>> of 5 GHz noise.  Our specific application had a much lower need than the
>> test results gave, so that's why I don't remember.  In other words, the
>> spectrum was clean, and nice for a change.
>>
>> It was a StarOS WAR4-WP188 board, 64MB with 8 MB flash and 533MHz IXP-425
>> CPU.
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>> Nice boards.  We have a link that sits at -50 and its max on a 40MHz
> channel
>> is 70mbps aggregate.
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>> >> Using StarOS, we have tested them with 3.5GHz antennas.  They got what
> we
>> >> would expect them to get with respect to SNR, with a slight loss due 
>> >> to
>> >> the
>> >> 3.5GHz antennas.
>> >>
>> >> Two issues...
>> >>
>> >> 1.  We purchased some of the original XR3's, but then they came out
> with
>> >> the
>> >> new version XR3 - 3.7 which had different center frequencies so they
>> >> would
>> >> not associate with the original XR3 that we had at the AP.
>> >>
>> >> 2.  We have had 3 of the XR3 - 3.7 radios that have either lost a
>> >> significant amount of signal from the AP, or stopped associating
>> >> altogether.
>> >> On the StarOS forums, there was some talk of this be attirbuted to non
>> >> grounding thet antennas.  But as it stands, I think we had 3 bad
> radios,
>> >> then the 3 that we originally bought that are useless now due to the
>> >> center
>> >> frequency issue.  At $260 per radio, that's alot of $$ in useless
> radios.
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>> > What kind of throughput are you getting?
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Re: [WISPA] FW: one more

2008-11-21 Thread lakeland
I would love to be that close to death

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I did some work in Grand Cayman for seven years. A great place to work. Talk
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> If you're stuck in a winter land like me surrounded by white and cold and
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Re: [WISPA] FW: one more

2008-11-21 Thread Joe Laura
I did some work in Grand Cayman for seven years. A great place to work. Talk
about love your job. Night life nearly killed me though.
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> If you're stuck in a winter land like me surrounded by white and cold and
> you're missing the warm waters of St. Martin this might help
> http://www.island92.com/
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> -Scott
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> On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 7:12 AM, Gino Villarini <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Ahh some people in the caribeean actually miss snow 
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> Now if we could just turn snow into fuel..
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Re: [WISPA] FW: one more

2008-11-21 Thread 3-dB Networks
But that takes all of the fun out of it!

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Wow ... That is a long shot ...

Next time you can call us for a Site Survey ... We are a 45 min flight
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I'm actually supposed to be in St. Martin right now doing a site
survey... I wonder why the boss wanted to do that one :-)

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If you're stuck in a winter land like me surrounded by white and cold
and you're missing the warm waters of St. Martin this might help
http://www.island92.com/

 

-Scott

On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 7:12 AM, Gino Villarini <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

Ahh some people in the caribeean actually miss snow 


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When I think a bout that I work harder so I can stay in the Carribean
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Now if we could just turn snow into fuel..

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Re: [WISPA] FW: one more

2008-11-21 Thread Gino Villarini
Wow ... That is a long shot ...

Next time you can call us for a Site Survey ... We are a 45 min flight
away! 


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I'm actually supposed to be in St. Martin right now doing a site
survey... I wonder why the boss wanted to do that one :-)

Daniel White
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If you're stuck in a winter land like me surrounded by white and cold
and you're missing the warm waters of St. Martin this might help
http://www.island92.com/

 

-Scott

On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 7:12 AM, Gino Villarini <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

Ahh some people in the caribeean actually miss snow 


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When I think a bout that I work harder so I can stay in the Carribean
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Now if we could just turn snow into fuel..

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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti 3.65

2008-11-21 Thread Mark Nash
Yes, but my message wasn't clear.  When I said

"We have a link that sits at -50 and its max on a 40MHz channel is 70mbps
aggregate."

I wasn't talking about the 3.65 link


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> Isnt a 40mhz channel in 3.65ghz against the rules?
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> I really can't remember about throughput.  This was really what the board
> would do, not the card.  We felt it was the max that the board/card/snr
> could give which was encouraging as this is on a site that we've had a TON
> of 5 GHz noise.  Our specific application had a much lower need than the
> test results gave, so that's why I don't remember.  In other words, the
> spectrum was clean, and nice for a change.
>
> It was a StarOS WAR4-WP188 board, 64MB with 8 MB flash and 533MHz IXP-425
> CPU.
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> Nice boards.  We have a link that sits at -50 and its max on a 40MHz
channel
> is 70mbps aggregate.
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> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti 3.65
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> >> Using StarOS, we have tested them with 3.5GHz antennas.  They got what
we
> >> would expect them to get with respect to SNR, with a slight loss due to
> >> the
> >> 3.5GHz antennas.
> >>
> >> Two issues...
> >>
> >> 1.  We purchased some of the original XR3's, but then they came out
with
> >> the
> >> new version XR3 - 3.7 which had different center frequencies so they
> >> would
> >> not associate with the original XR3 that we had at the AP.
> >>
> >> 2.  We have had 3 of the XR3 - 3.7 radios that have either lost a
> >> significant amount of signal from the AP, or stopped associating
> >> altogether.
> >> On the StarOS forums, there was some talk of this be attirbuted to non
> >> grounding thet antennas.  But as it stands, I think we had 3 bad
radios,
> >> then the 3 that we originally bought that are useless now due to the
> >> center
> >> frequency issue.  At $260 per radio, that's alot of $$ in useless
radios.
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> > What kind of throughput are you getting?
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Re: [WISPA] FW: one more

2008-11-21 Thread Chuck McCown
Dang, and here I was anticipating a beach scene, with some beautiful 
"things" to look at...

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> If you're stuck in a winter land like me surrounded by white and cold and
> you're missing the warm waters of St. Martin this might help
> http://www.island92.com/
>
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> Ahh some people in the caribeean actually miss snow 
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> When I think a bout that I work harder so I can stay in the Carribean
> longer :-)
>
> Now if we could just turn snow into fuel..
>
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Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti 3.65

2008-11-21 Thread Jeff Booher
Isnt a 40mhz channel in 3.65ghz against the rules?
 

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I really can't remember about throughput.  This was really what the board
would do, not the card.  We felt it was the max that the board/card/snr
could give which was encouraging as this is on a site that we've had a TON
of 5 GHz noise.  Our specific application had a much lower need than the
test results gave, so that's why I don't remember.  In other words, the
spectrum was clean, and nice for a change.

It was a StarOS WAR4-WP188 board, 64MB with 8 MB flash and 533MHz IXP-425
CPU.

Nice boards.  We have a link that sits at -50 and its max on a 40MHz channel
is 70mbps aggregate.

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>> Using StarOS, we have tested them with 3.5GHz antennas.  They got what we
>> would expect them to get with respect to SNR, with a slight loss due to 
>> the
>> 3.5GHz antennas.
>>
>> Two issues...
>>
>> 1.  We purchased some of the original XR3's, but then they came out with 
>> the
>> new version XR3 - 3.7 which had different center frequencies so they 
>> would
>> not associate with the original XR3 that we had at the AP.
>>
>> 2.  We have had 3 of the XR3 - 3.7 radios that have either lost a
>> significant amount of signal from the AP, or stopped associating 
>> altogether.
>> On the StarOS forums, there was some talk of this be attirbuted to non
>> grounding thet antennas.  But as it stands, I think we had 3 bad radios,
>> then the 3 that we originally bought that are useless now due to the 
>> center
>> frequency issue.  At $260 per radio, that's alot of $$ in useless radios.
>
> What kind of throughput are you getting?
>
> Matt
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Re: [WISPA] FW: one more

2008-11-21 Thread 3-dB Networks
I'm actually supposed to be in St. Martin right now doing a site survey... I
wonder why the boss wanted to do that one :-)

Daniel White
3-dB Networks

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If you're stuck in a winter land like me surrounded by white and cold and
you're missing the warm waters of St. Martin this might help
http://www.island92.com/

 

-Scott

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Ahh some people in the caribeean actually miss snow 


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Now if we could just turn snow into fuel..

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[WISPA] FW: one more

2008-11-21 Thread Scott Parsons
If you're stuck in a winter land like me surrounded by white and cold and
you're missing the warm waters of St. Martin this might help
http://www.island92.com/

 

-Scott

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longer :-)

Now if we could just turn snow into fuel..

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Re: [WISPA] one more

2008-11-21 Thread Jeff Broadwick
I like it for the first couple months...after that...

 

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Ahh some people in the caribeean actually miss snow  


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:-)

Now if we could just turn snow into fuel..

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Re: [WISPA] Remote Powered Access Pont

2008-11-21 Thread Chuck McCown - 3
One source:
http://tnrbatteries.com/genesis.html

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> http://www.enersysreservepower.com/documents/US-GPL-AM-003_0906.pdf
>
> Genesis pure lead EP or XE version will work down to -40.
> They are rated for 100% depth of discharge.  Repeatedly.  400 times.
> And can come back from 100% discharge at -40 to be fully charged.
> They are good for 2 years sitting on the shelf totally unused.
> I don't know of any other battery that can do that.
>
> They also have most of their energy available at super cold temperatures,
> where flooded cells lose most of their energy when cold.
> But you will pay 2 to 3 times more than for a Trojan.
>
> I figure everything by watt hour first.  So you need 5 watts * 24 hours * 
> 30
> days = 3600 watt hours.
> At 30 cents per watt hour, you will end up paying more than $1000 for that
> battery.  Hopefully you can shop around and find them for less.  I used to
> pay 20 cents.  I don't know why they went up so much.
>
> Watt hours / system voltage = amp hours
> 3600/12=300 amp hours.
>
> One of our supervisors recently found a good price (if you can call it 
> good)
> for the gates/hawker/enersys batteries.
> If I can find the source I will post it.
>
> - Original Message - 
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> Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 8:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Remote Powered Access Pont
>
>
>> Thanks for the great info Chuck!  Almost made the trojan battery mistake.
>> what exactly is the battery technology and brand you suggest?  if I have 
>> a
>> 5
>> watt system you suggest a 120W  solar panel.  Also 30 days or 360AH of
>> usable capacity at 12V?
>>
>> Thanks for  the clarification, and the pics that make your experience
>> clear!
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 7:38 PM, Chuck McCown - 3 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> At 60% depth of discharge they freeze at 0F.  Once frozen they are dead.
>>> Liquid electrolyte batteries need to be liquid to work.
>>> Not to mention the risk of a broken case. (You most likely mean you try
>>> to
>>> avoid taking them below 40% DOD, but 60% has a nice freezing point to
>>> exploit for purposes of rhetoric).
>>>
>>> Trojans were designed for the cabin with the fireplace and the
>>> intermittent
>>> use of the residential solar application.(Really, they were designed
>>> for
>>> golf carts).
>>>
>>> Constant load, constant nightly cycling, periods of no charging and deep
>>> discharge during the coldest days of the year is a different application
>>> and
>>> takes a different battery technology.
>>>
>>> Here is a good VLRA white paper on the temperature issue:
>>> http://www.cdtechno.com/custserv/pdf/7953.pdf
>>>
>>> We use VLRAs inside central offices where there is HVAC.  Not in the
>>> field.
>>> And they are much better than flooded cells like the T-105
>>>
>>> AGMs go in the field. And for solar only a few types of AGMs can be
>>> trusted.
>>>
>>> This app note is full of lots of good info.  It is on the batts we use
>>> that
>>> will still deliver 40% of their power at -40 degrees.
>>> http://www.enersysreservepower.com/documents/US-GPL-AM-003_0906.pdf
>>>
>>> But the only really important point is that in a solar situation, where
>>> you
>>> have weather and you have low temps, very few batteries will totally
>>> recover
>>> from an extreme deep discharge.  And that happens all the time when
>>> people
>>> scrimp on their battery capacity and solar panel capacity.
>>>
>>> 20X watts 30 days autonomy = you will sleep all winter long.
>>>   - Original Message -
>>>  From: Blair Davis
>>>  To: WISPA General List
>>>   Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2008 7:56 PM
>>>  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Remote Powered Access Pont
>>>
>>>
>>>  Ok.  our answer to that problem has always been to double up on our
>>> total
>>> battery size so we never discharge them below 60%
>>>
>>>  Sounds like you are in a much more inaccessible environment than we 
>>> are!
>>>  And in that kind of location, I'd likely be looking for the same thing.
>>>
>>>  But, for us, inaccessibility won't last more than a week or so...
>>>
>>>  Chuck McCown - 3 wrote:
>>> We buy batts that are rated to give you the energy down to -20F.
>>> Survive being at-20F while discharged to a stone cold state.
>>> And recover when the next available bit of sunlight hits the panel
>>> (perhaps
>>> days later).
>>> And last 2000 cycles.
>>> For that you pay 30 cents per watt hour.  And can sleep at night.
>>> (we used to get these for 20 cents, I don't know why they are so much
>>> more
>>> now)
>>>
>>> I just found a website selling a T-105 for $160\each
>>> 6 volts, 225 aH  That comes to 11.8 cents per watt hour.
>>>
>>> The Trojan website says "avoid locations where freezing temperatures are
>>> expected".
>>> It also says the must be 

Re: [WISPA] one more

2008-11-21 Thread lakeland
When I think a bout that I work harder so I can stay in the Carribean longer :-)

Now if we could just turn snow into fuel..

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Re: [WISPA] one more

2008-11-21 Thread Gino Villarini
Ahh some people in the caribeean actually miss snow  


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