Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle

[Travis Johnson]

Did I mention the 27 mile, 18ghz link with 2ft dishes I have running? :)

Travis

Brad Belton wrote:

  Oh I believe it.  Nothing Travis is able to pull off surprises me anymore.


Brad


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 11:17 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle

I believe the 8mpg but 80mph?
-RickG

On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 9:33 PM, Travis Johnson  wrote:
  
  
If it makes you feel better, today we only got 8mpg while pulling our
sno-cat (with a Duramax even) at 80mph down the freeway. ;)

Travis
Microserv

Mark Nash wrote:

LOL I was just thinking about revitalizing this thread as I was speeding
across our valley here because one of our techs called in sick.  Had 4
appointments to keep...about 120 miles to cover...

...and MY service truck is an F350/V10 - crew cab - full bed.

...I get 10 on a good day. :)

Mark Nash
UnwiredWest
78 Centennial Loop
Suite E
Eugene, OR 97401
541-998-
541-998-5599 fax
http://www.unwiredwest.com
- Original Message -
From: "Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 8:44 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle




fyi, it's not a van...



  
  http://www.leasetrader.com/photos/actual98286/640x480/GMC-Envoy-XL-Sport-Uti
lity.jpeg
  
  
I wanted a red or blue one with a v8 (327 and those one's HAUL).  Had
to
settle for a completely loaded white one though.  Leather, DVD for the
kids,
heated seats and seat backs, blinkers on the mirrors, air ride suspension
(this rig rides better than any car I've ever had) etc.  It's also nearly
a
foot and a half longer than the standard version.  So when you get one
make
sure you look for the one with the 3rd seat.



  
  http://shop.ebay.com/items/_W0QQ_dmptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccesso
ries?_nkw=gmc+envoy+xl&_sacat=0&_fromfsb=&_trksid=m270.l1313&_odkw=gmc+envoy
&_osacat=0
  
  
These are the same thing as the Chevy Trailblazer.

The XUV version looks pretty interesting too.  I ALMOST got one of them,
didn't like the sales guy though so I walked out on the deal.

http://www.familycar.com/RoadTests/GMC-XUV/Photos.htm

They have some of those on ebay too:


  
  http://shop.ebay.com/items/__xuv?_trkparms=72%253A317%257C66%253A2%257C65%25
3A12%257C39%253A1&_dmpt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&_trksid=p3286.c0.
m14&_pgn=2
  
  
laters,
Marlon
(509) 982-2181
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since
1999!
o...@odessaoffice.com
www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam



- Original Message -
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 11:13 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle




If we could get a van like that financed I would be in heaven - my main
benefit is just as you said, everything stays warm.  Steel and cold just
do
not mix.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
--- Henry Spencer


On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 1:18 PM, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 <
o...@odessaoffice.com> wrote:



I just picked up an '04 GMC Envoy XL.  It's the one with the 3rd seat.
I'm
only getting 16 to 17 mpg with it but it's cheap to insure and is
totally
loaded.  It was just over $13k for a 50,000 mile rig with no real flaws.
I
did end up having to replace the radiator already, but that didn't show
up
at first.

The ladder sits on top nicely and is easy to reach.  Everything else
sits
well inside.  As a bonus all of my tools etc. stay warm in the winter
and
cold in the summer.

The 4 wheel drive has been really nice this winter too.

Best of all?  No one else drives around with a ladder on top of one.
EVERYONE knows my rig.  That alone is a nice sales too.

Marlon
(509) 982-2181
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since
1999!
o...@odessaoffice.com
www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam



- Original Message -
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 7:46 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Service vehicle




What does everyone use for a service vehicle?  We have an 1999 f250
that is at the end of it's road.  It has the cabinets and ladder racks
to put al our stuff in.

Our tower climber for those picky tower owners has a brand new Dodge.
If you haven't seen these check them out.  If we could afford these I
wouldn't be asking :(

--
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
--- Henry Spencer







  
  

Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

[Travis Johnson]

Hi,

I have a better idea someone compile a simple side-by-side
comparison of the Dragonwave vs. Trango 18ghz radios. List all the
benefits of each radio, and then also list the current price for a
"comparable" speed for each.

I'm not familiar with the current Dragonwave product, so I will only
list the "benefits" of the Trango APEX system (of which I currently
have 3 running as our main backbone backhauls):

(1) Radio mounted signal display for alignment
(2) Optional fiber port (only have to buy the fiber module to plug in)
(3) Various channel sizes (10, 20, 28, 40, 50, 80 mhz wide)
(4) up to +20db power output
(5) Jumbo packets via GigE
(6) PoE (-48v)
(7) In-band or out-of-band management
(8) Separate GigE port for management
(9) Rapid Port Shutdown
(10) 1+1 redundancy (using a single antenna)
(11) Dual power supplies (either PoE port can supply the power)
(12) 2 year warranty standard (can be upgraded to 3 year, overnight
replacement for $2,000 per link)
(13) Price (currently $9,995 with 2ft dishes and frequency
coordination. FCC fees are about $1,300 extra). 

Travis
Microserv

3-dB Networks wrote:

  I'm going to go with Jeff on this one... there has been multiple threads on
this topic... I think it has been beat to death.  If you want to talk about
it offlist I'd be happy to.

As far as the price difference... I'd be happy to quote the Dragonwave and
let you compare it to the published Trango deals... but my personal opinion
is that you are not paying a premium for the Dragonwave name... compared to
what I would consider the benefits.

Daniel White
3-dB Networks
http://www.3dbnetworks.com


  
  
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Jeff Ehman
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 8:08 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

All,

When comparing exactly apples to apples, there is about a 10-20% premium
for a Dragonwave product.

There are plenty of threads on this topic.  I would be happy to grab a
bunch for you so hit me off off-list.  It really depends on your
application for which product you would like to go with.  I would be
more than happy to walk you through everything.

I try to refrain from stating opinions in a public forum.

-Jeff

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Brad Belton
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 6:36 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

Hello Daniel,

Can you elaborate in what way the Dragonwave "performance is much
better"?
Do you have a comparison chart you can share with us explaining how a
Dragonwave stacks up against competing products.  Namely Trango in this
case.

Exactly how close is "close" when you mention pricing between the two
products?  "Close" is a relative term don't you agree?  So, are we
talking
$5, $50, $500, $5000?

Look forward to your responses.

Thank you,


Brad



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of 3-dB Networks
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 6:25 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

Well...

I'd be happy to quote you a Dragonwave link... I think you will be
surprised
how close it comes to the Trango pricing... and I think the performance
is
much better (I don't want to rehash that whole thread).

We also will take care of all of the licensing work for you.

Hit me offlist if you like.

Daniel White
3-dB Networks
http://www.3dbnetworks.com




  -Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Andrew Niemantsverdriet
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 10:08 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

I am looking for a good place to get an 18ghz link, where do you guys
suggest. Ideally the company would also procure the licence for us. I
am thinking I want the Trango APEX because of it cost / performance.
So if anybody has suggestions on a good company to use I am all ears!

Thanks,
_
/-\ ndrew


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Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle

[Travis Johnson]

Freeway speed limits in Idaho are 75mph. We usually drive 80mph. The
Duramax will easily go that fast, even with 2,000 pounds in the bed and
9,800 pounds of sno-cat in tow. :)

Travis
Microserv

RickG wrote:

  I believe the 8mpg but 80mph?
-RickG

On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 9:33 PM, Travis Johnson  wrote:
  
  
If it makes you feel better, today we only got 8mpg while pulling our
sno-cat (with a Duramax even) at 80mph down the freeway. ;)

Travis
Microserv

Mark Nash wrote:

LOL I was just thinking about revitalizing this thread as I was speeding
across our valley here because one of our techs called in sick.  Had 4
appointments to keep...about 120 miles to cover...

...and MY service truck is an F350/V10 - crew cab - full bed.

...I get 10 on a good day. :)

Mark Nash
UnwiredWest
78 Centennial Loop
Suite E
Eugene, OR 97401
541-998-
541-998-5599 fax
http://www.unwiredwest.com
- Original Message -
From: "Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 8:44 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle




fyi, it's not a van...

http://www.leasetrader.com/photos/actual98286/640x480/GMC-Envoy-XL-Sport-Utility.jpeg

I wanted a red or blue one with a v8 (327 and those one's HAUL).  Had
to
settle for a completely loaded white one though.  Leather, DVD for the
kids,
heated seats and seat backs, blinkers on the mirrors, air ride suspension
(this rig rides better than any car I've ever had) etc.  It's also nearly
a
foot and a half longer than the standard version.  So when you get one
make
sure you look for the one with the 3rd seat.

http://shop.ebay.com/items/_W0QQ_dmptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories?_nkw=gmc+envoy+xl&_sacat=0&_fromfsb=&_trksid=m270.l1313&_odkw=gmc+envoy&_osacat=0

These are the same thing as the Chevy Trailblazer.

The XUV version looks pretty interesting too.  I ALMOST got one of them,
didn't like the sales guy though so I walked out on the deal.

http://www.familycar.com/RoadTests/GMC-XUV/Photos.htm

They have some of those on ebay too:
http://shop.ebay.com/items/__xuv?_trkparms=72%253A317%257C66%253A2%257C65%253A12%257C39%253A1&_dmpt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_pgn=2

laters,
Marlon
(509) 982-2181
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since
1999!
o...@odessaoffice.com
www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam



- Original Message -
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 11:13 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle




If we could get a van like that financed I would be in heaven - my main
benefit is just as you said, everything stays warm.  Steel and cold just
do
not mix.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
--- Henry Spencer


On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 1:18 PM, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 <
o...@odessaoffice.com> wrote:



I just picked up an '04 GMC Envoy XL.  It's the one with the 3rd seat.
I'm
only getting 16 to 17 mpg with it but it's cheap to insure and is
totally
loaded.  It was just over $13k for a 50,000 mile rig with no real flaws.
I
did end up having to replace the radiator already, but that didn't show
up
at first.

The ladder sits on top nicely and is easy to reach.  Everything else
sits
well inside.  As a bonus all of my tools etc. stay warm in the winter
and
cold in the summer.

The 4 wheel drive has been really nice this winter too.

Best of all?  No one else drives around with a ladder on top of one.
EVERYONE knows my rig.  That alone is a nice sales too.

Marlon
(509) 982-2181
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since
1999!
o...@odessaoffice.com
www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam



- Original Message -
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 7:46 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Service vehicle




What does everyone use for a service vehicle?  We have an 1999 f250
that is at the end of it's road.  It has the cabinets and ladder racks
to put al our stuff in.

Our tower climber for those picky tower owners has a brand new Dodge.
If you haven't seen these check them out.  If we could afford these I
wouldn't be asking :(

--
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
--- Henry Spencer








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Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle

[Brad Belton]

Oh I believe it.  Nothing Travis is able to pull off surprises me anymore.


Brad


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 11:17 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle

I believe the 8mpg but 80mph?
-RickG

On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 9:33 PM, Travis Johnson  wrote:
> If it makes you feel better, today we only got 8mpg while pulling our
> sno-cat (with a Duramax even) at 80mph down the freeway. ;)
>
> Travis
> Microserv
>
> Mark Nash wrote:
>
> LOL I was just thinking about revitalizing this thread as I was speeding
> across our valley here because one of our techs called in sick.  Had 4
> appointments to keep...about 120 miles to cover...
>
> ...and MY service truck is an F350/V10 - crew cab - full bed.
>
> ...I get 10 on a good day. :)
>
> Mark Nash
> UnwiredWest
> 78 Centennial Loop
> Suite E
> Eugene, OR 97401
> 541-998-
> 541-998-5599 fax
> http://www.unwiredwest.com
> - Original Message -
> From: "Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 8:44 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle
>
>
>
>
> fyi, it's not a van...
>
>
http://www.leasetrader.com/photos/actual98286/640x480/GMC-Envoy-XL-Sport-Uti
lity.jpeg
>
> I wanted a red or blue one with a v8 (327 and those one's HAUL).  Had
> to
> settle for a completely loaded white one though.  Leather, DVD for the
> kids,
> heated seats and seat backs, blinkers on the mirrors, air ride suspension
> (this rig rides better than any car I've ever had) etc.  It's also nearly
> a
> foot and a half longer than the standard version.  So when you get one
> make
> sure you look for the one with the 3rd seat.
>
>
http://shop.ebay.com/items/_W0QQ_dmptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccesso
ries?_nkw=gmc+envoy+xl&_sacat=0&_fromfsb=&_trksid=m270.l1313&_odkw=gmc+envoy
&_osacat=0
>
> These are the same thing as the Chevy Trailblazer.
>
> The XUV version looks pretty interesting too.  I ALMOST got one of them,
> didn't like the sales guy though so I walked out on the deal.
>
> http://www.familycar.com/RoadTests/GMC-XUV/Photos.htm
>
> They have some of those on ebay too:
>
http://shop.ebay.com/items/__xuv?_trkparms=72%253A317%257C66%253A2%257C65%25
3A12%257C39%253A1&_dmpt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&_trksid=p3286.c0.
m14&_pgn=2
>
> laters,
> Marlon
> (509) 982-2181
> (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
> 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since
> 1999!
> o...@odessaoffice.com
> www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
> www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Josh Luthman" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 11:13 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle
>
>
>
>
> If we could get a van like that financed I would be in heaven - my main
> benefit is just as you said, everything stays warm.  Steel and cold just
> do
> not mix.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
> --- Henry Spencer
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 1:18 PM, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 <
> o...@odessaoffice.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> I just picked up an '04 GMC Envoy XL.  It's the one with the 3rd seat.
> I'm
> only getting 16 to 17 mpg with it but it's cheap to insure and is
> totally
> loaded.  It was just over $13k for a 50,000 mile rig with no real flaws.
> I
> did end up having to replace the radiator already, but that didn't show
> up
> at first.
>
> The ladder sits on top nicely and is easy to reach.  Everything else
> sits
> well inside.  As a bonus all of my tools etc. stay warm in the winter
> and
> cold in the summer.
>
> The 4 wheel drive has been really nice this winter too.
>
> Best of all?  No one else drives around with a ladder on top of one.
> EVERYONE knows my rig.  That alone is a nice sales too.
>
> Marlon
> (509) 982-2181
> (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
> 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since
> 1999!
> o...@odessaoffice.com
> www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
> www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Josh Luthman" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 7:46 AM
> Subject: [WISPA] Service vehicle
>
>
>
>
> What does everyone use for a service vehicle?  We have an 1999 f250
> that is at the end of it's road.  It has the cabinets and ladder racks
> to put al our stuff in.
>
> Our tower climber for those picky tower owners has a brand new Dodge.
> If you haven't seen these check them out.  If we could afford these I
> wouldn't be asking :(
>
> --
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly

Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle

[RickG]

I believe the 8mpg but 80mph?
-RickG

On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 9:33 PM, Travis Johnson  wrote:
> If it makes you feel better, today we only got 8mpg while pulling our
> sno-cat (with a Duramax even) at 80mph down the freeway. ;)
>
> Travis
> Microserv
>
> Mark Nash wrote:
>
> LOL I was just thinking about revitalizing this thread as I was speeding
> across our valley here because one of our techs called in sick.  Had 4
> appointments to keep...about 120 miles to cover...
>
> ...and MY service truck is an F350/V10 - crew cab - full bed.
>
> ...I get 10 on a good day. :)
>
> Mark Nash
> UnwiredWest
> 78 Centennial Loop
> Suite E
> Eugene, OR 97401
> 541-998-
> 541-998-5599 fax
> http://www.unwiredwest.com
> - Original Message -
> From: "Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 8:44 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle
>
>
>
>
> fyi, it's not a van...
>
> http://www.leasetrader.com/photos/actual98286/640x480/GMC-Envoy-XL-Sport-Utility.jpeg
>
> I wanted a red or blue one with a v8 (327 and those one's HAUL).  Had
> to
> settle for a completely loaded white one though.  Leather, DVD for the
> kids,
> heated seats and seat backs, blinkers on the mirrors, air ride suspension
> (this rig rides better than any car I've ever had) etc.  It's also nearly
> a
> foot and a half longer than the standard version.  So when you get one
> make
> sure you look for the one with the 3rd seat.
>
> http://shop.ebay.com/items/_W0QQ_dmptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories?_nkw=gmc+envoy+xl&_sacat=0&_fromfsb=&_trksid=m270.l1313&_odkw=gmc+envoy&_osacat=0
>
> These are the same thing as the Chevy Trailblazer.
>
> The XUV version looks pretty interesting too.  I ALMOST got one of them,
> didn't like the sales guy though so I walked out on the deal.
>
> http://www.familycar.com/RoadTests/GMC-XUV/Photos.htm
>
> They have some of those on ebay too:
> http://shop.ebay.com/items/__xuv?_trkparms=72%253A317%257C66%253A2%257C65%253A12%257C39%253A1&_dmpt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_pgn=2
>
> laters,
> Marlon
> (509) 982-2181
> (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
> 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since
> 1999!
> o...@odessaoffice.com
> www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
> www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Josh Luthman" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 11:13 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle
>
>
>
>
> If we could get a van like that financed I would be in heaven - my main
> benefit is just as you said, everything stays warm.  Steel and cold just
> do
> not mix.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
> --- Henry Spencer
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 1:18 PM, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 <
> o...@odessaoffice.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> I just picked up an '04 GMC Envoy XL.  It's the one with the 3rd seat.
> I'm
> only getting 16 to 17 mpg with it but it's cheap to insure and is
> totally
> loaded.  It was just over $13k for a 50,000 mile rig with no real flaws.
> I
> did end up having to replace the radiator already, but that didn't show
> up
> at first.
>
> The ladder sits on top nicely and is easy to reach.  Everything else
> sits
> well inside.  As a bonus all of my tools etc. stay warm in the winter
> and
> cold in the summer.
>
> The 4 wheel drive has been really nice this winter too.
>
> Best of all?  No one else drives around with a ladder on top of one.
> EVERYONE knows my rig.  That alone is a nice sales too.
>
> Marlon
> (509) 982-2181
> (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
> 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since
> 1999!
> o...@odessaoffice.com
> www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
> www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Josh Luthman" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 7:46 AM
> Subject: [WISPA] Service vehicle
>
>
>
>
> What does everyone use for a service vehicle?  We have an 1999 f250
> that is at the end of it's road.  It has the cabinets and ladder racks
> to put al our stuff in.
>
> Our tower climber for those picky tower owners has a brand new Dodge.
> If you haven't seen these check them out.  If we could afford these I
> wouldn't be asking :(
>
> --
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> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
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> --- Henry Spencer
>
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Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle

[RickG]

But...I bet it got through the 120 miles quickly!
I used to have one and miss it dearly, except for the gas stops.
-RickG

On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 9:32 PM, Mark Nash  wrote:
> LOL I was just thinking about revitalizing this thread as I was speeding
> across our valley here because one of our techs called in sick.  Had 4
> appointments to keep...about 120 miles to cover...
>
> ...and MY service truck is an F350/V10 - crew cab - full bed.
>
> ...I get 10 on a good day. :)
>
> Mark Nash
> UnwiredWest
> 78 Centennial Loop
> Suite E
> Eugene, OR 97401
> 541-998-
> 541-998-5599 fax
> http://www.unwiredwest.com
> - Original Message -
> From: "Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 8:44 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle
>
>
>> fyi, it's not a van...
>>
>> http://www.leasetrader.com/photos/actual98286/640x480/GMC-Envoy-XL-Sport-Utility.jpeg
>>
>> I wanted a red or blue one with a v8 (327 and those one's HAUL).  Had
>> to
>> settle for a completely loaded white one though.  Leather, DVD for the
>> kids,
>> heated seats and seat backs, blinkers on the mirrors, air ride suspension
>> (this rig rides better than any car I've ever had) etc.  It's also nearly
>> a
>> foot and a half longer than the standard version.  So when you get one
>> make
>> sure you look for the one with the 3rd seat.
>>
>> http://shop.ebay.com/items/_W0QQ_dmptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories?_nkw=gmc+envoy+xl&_sacat=0&_fromfsb=&_trksid=m270.l1313&_odkw=gmc+envoy&_osacat=0
>>
>> These are the same thing as the Chevy Trailblazer.
>>
>> The XUV version looks pretty interesting too.  I ALMOST got one of them,
>> didn't like the sales guy though so I walked out on the deal.
>>
>> http://www.familycar.com/RoadTests/GMC-XUV/Photos.htm
>>
>> They have some of those on ebay too:
>> http://shop.ebay.com/items/__xuv?_trkparms=72%253A317%257C66%253A2%257C65%253A12%257C39%253A1&_dmpt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_pgn=2
>>
>> laters,
>> Marlon
>> (509) 982-2181
>> (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
>> 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since
>> 1999!
>> o...@odessaoffice.com
>> www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
>> www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam
>>
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Josh Luthman" 
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 11:13 AM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle
>>
>>
>>> If we could get a van like that financed I would be in heaven - my main
>>> benefit is just as you said, everything stays warm.  Steel and cold just
>>> do
>>> not mix.
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
>>> --- Henry Spencer
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 1:18 PM, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 <
>>> o...@odessaoffice.com> wrote:
>>>
 I just picked up an '04 GMC Envoy XL.  It's the one with the 3rd seat.
 I'm
 only getting 16 to 17 mpg with it but it's cheap to insure and is
 totally
 loaded.  It was just over $13k for a 50,000 mile rig with no real flaws.
 I
 did end up having to replace the radiator already, but that didn't show
 up
 at first.

 The ladder sits on top nicely and is easy to reach.  Everything else
 sits
 well inside.  As a bonus all of my tools etc. stay warm in the winter
 and
 cold in the summer.

 The 4 wheel drive has been really nice this winter too.

 Best of all?  No one else drives around with a ladder on top of one.
 EVERYONE knows my rig.  That alone is a nice sales too.

 Marlon
 (509) 982-2181
 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since
 1999!
 o...@odessaoffice.com
 www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
 www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam



 - Original Message -
 From: "Josh Luthman" 
 To: "WISPA General List" 
 Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 7:46 AM
 Subject: [WISPA] Service vehicle


 > What does everyone use for a service vehicle?  We have an 1999 f250
 > that is at the end of it's road.  It has the cabinets and ladder racks
 > to put al our stuff in.
 >
 > Our tower climber for those picky tower owners has a brand new Dodge.
 > If you haven't seen these check them out.  If we could afford these I
 > wouldn't be asking :(
 >
 > --
 > Josh Luthman
 > Office: 937-552-2340
 > Direct: 937-552-2343
 > 1100 Wayne St
 > Suite 1337
 > Troy, OH 45373
 >
 > Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
 > --- Henry Spencer
 >
 >
 >
 
>>>

Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle

[RickG]

lol, the latest fuel technology joke goes like this:
During power outages, such as those experienced here in Kentucky
during and after the ice storms, you gotta get gasoline to run your
generator in order to charge up your hybrid!
-RickG

On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 9:38 PM, D. Ryan Spott  wrote:
> Made me think of a license plate holder I saw on an SUV:
> "Buy a hybrid, I need your gas!"
>
> ryan
>
>
> D. Ryan Spott
> rsp...@cspott.com
>
>
>
> On Feb 10, 2009, at 6:33 PM, Travis Johnson wrote:
>
>> If it makes you feel better, today we only got 8mpg while pulling
>> our sno-cat (with a Duramax even) at 80mph down the freeway. ;)
>>
>> Travis
>> Microserv
>>
>> Mark Nash wrote:
>>>
>>> LOL I was just thinking about revitalizing this thread as I was
>>> speeding
>>> across our valley here because one of our techs called in sick.
>>> Had 4
>>> appointments to keep...about 120 miles to cover...
>>>
>>> ...and MY service truck is an F350/V10 - crew cab - full bed.
>>>
>>> ...I get 10 on a good day. :)
>>>
>>> Mark Nash
>>> UnwiredWest
>>> 78 Centennial Loop
>>> Suite E
>>> Eugene, OR 97401
>>> 541-998-
>>> 541-998-5599 fax
>>> http://www.unwiredwest.com
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181" 
>>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 8:44 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle
>>>
>>>
>>>
 fyi, it's not a van...

 http://www.leasetrader.com/photos/actual98286/640x480/GMC-Envoy-XL-Sport-Utility.jpeg

 I wanted a red or blue one with a v8 (327 and those one's
 HAUL).  Had
 to
 settle for a completely loaded white one though.  Leather, DVD for
 the
 kids,
 heated seats and seat backs, blinkers on the mirrors, air ride
 suspension
 (this rig rides better than any car I've ever had) etc.  It's also
 nearly
 a
 foot and a half longer than the standard version.  So when you get
 one
 make
 sure you look for the one with the 3rd seat.

 http://shop.ebay.com/items/_W0QQ_dmptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories?_nkw=gmc+envoy+xl&_sacat=0&_fromfsb=&_trksid=m270.l1313&_odkw=gmc+envoy&_osacat=0

 These are the same thing as the Chevy Trailblazer.

 The XUV version looks pretty interesting too.  I ALMOST got one of
 them,
 didn't like the sales guy though so I walked out on the deal.

 http://www.familycar.com/RoadTests/GMC-XUV/Photos.htm

 They have some of those on ebay too:
 http://shop.ebay.com/items/__xuv?_trkparms=72%253A317%257C66%253A2%257C65%253A12%257C39%253A1&_dmpt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_pgn=2

 laters,
 Marlon
 (509) 982-2181
 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator
 since
 1999!
 o...@odessaoffice.com
 www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
 www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam



 - Original Message -
 From: "Josh Luthman" 
 To: "WISPA General List" 
 Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 11:13 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle



> If we could get a van like that financed I would be in heaven -
> my main
> benefit is just as you said, everything stays warm.  Steel and
> cold just
> do
> not mix.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it,
> poorly.
> --- Henry Spencer
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 1:18 PM, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 <
> o...@odessaoffice.com> wrote:
>
>
>> I just picked up an '04 GMC Envoy XL.  It's the one with the 3rd
>> seat.
>> I'm
>> only getting 16 to 17 mpg with it but it's cheap to insure and is
>> totally
>> loaded.  It was just over $13k for a 50,000 mile rig with no
>> real flaws.
>> I
>> did end up having to replace the radiator already, but that
>> didn't show
>> up
>> at first.
>>
>> The ladder sits on top nicely and is easy to reach.  Everything
>> else
>> sits
>> well inside.  As a bonus all of my tools etc. stay warm in the
>> winter
>> and
>> cold in the summer.
>>
>> The 4 wheel drive has been really nice this winter too.
>>
>> Best of all?  No one else drives around with a ladder on top of
>> one.
>> EVERYONE knows my rig.  That alone is a nice sales too.
>>
>> Marlon
>> (509) 982-2181
>> (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
>> 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator
>> since
>> 1999!
>> o...@odessaoffice.com
>> www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
>> www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam
>>
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Josh 

Re: [WISPA] yucky backhaul, need ideas

[RickG]

lol, around here the ice storms, winds, or tornadoes will eventually get them!
-RickG

On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 6:40 PM, Blair Davis  wrote:
> rock salt and a drill.  the tree will de-leaf quickly...
>
> :P
>
> CHUCK PROFITO wrote:
>
> Move the tower left  or right a few yards :-)
>
> Chuck Profito
> 209-988-7388
> CV-ACCESS, INC
> cprof...@cv-access.com
> Providing High Speed Broadband
> to Rural Central California
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 9:58 AM
> To: wireless@wispa.org
> Subject: [WISPA] yucky backhaul, need ideas
>
> Hi All,
>
> I have a 9 mile link that I need to put in for a new tower site.  No problem
>
> with the 9 miles.
>
> However, the link will have 100% fresnel encroachment AND a tree in the way.
>
> We'll have to be low to the ground (though I can see the other end right
> now).  One end will *JUST* clear the top of a metal shop, at least we don't
> hit it length wise.  A little further along, and across the street there is
> a leafy tree.
>
> If I could get 6 to 10 megs out there it would do for now.
>
> There's not much of a budget for this so fancy licensed systems are out of
> the question.
>
> I was thinking an Airaya or MT system with a 1' dish on one end and 2' on
> the other?
>
> What would you do?
>
> Or do I need to see if I can find another fiber location to send from?
>
> Thanks,
> Marlon
> (509) 982-2181
> (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
> 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999!
> o...@odessaoffice.com
> www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
> www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam
>
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

[Brad Belton]

Hello Daniel,

Well, that is disappointing as I was hoping for more substance from you to
back up your statements regarding "close" in price and "performance much
better".  Instead you've chosen to throw a stone at a competing product and
run the other way.

I guess we'll have to chalk up your comments as all show and no go...

Best,


Brad

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of 3-dB Networks
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 10:49 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

I'm going to go with Jeff on this one... there has been multiple threads on
this topic... I think it has been beat to death.  If you want to talk about
it offlist I'd be happy to.

As far as the price difference... I'd be happy to quote the Dragonwave and
let you compare it to the published Trango deals... but my personal opinion
is that you are not paying a premium for the Dragonwave name... compared to
what I would consider the benefits.

Daniel White
3-dB Networks
http://www.3dbnetworks.com


>-Original Message-
>From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>Behalf Of Jeff Ehman
>Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 8:08 PM
>To: WISPA General List
>Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
>
>All,
>
>When comparing exactly apples to apples, there is about a 10-20% premium
>for a Dragonwave product.
>
>There are plenty of threads on this topic.  I would be happy to grab a
>bunch for you so hit me off off-list.  It really depends on your
>application for which product you would like to go with.  I would be
>more than happy to walk you through everything.
>
>I try to refrain from stating opinions in a public forum.
>
>-Jeff
>
>-Original Message-
>From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>Behalf Of Brad Belton
>Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 6:36 PM
>To: 'WISPA General List'
>Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
>
>Hello Daniel,
>
>Can you elaborate in what way the Dragonwave "performance is much
>better"?
>Do you have a comparison chart you can share with us explaining how a
>Dragonwave stacks up against competing products.  Namely Trango in this
>case.
>
>Exactly how close is "close" when you mention pricing between the two
>products?  "Close" is a relative term don't you agree?  So, are we
>talking
>$5, $50, $500, $5000?
>
>Look forward to your responses.
>
>Thank you,
>
>
>Brad
>
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>Behalf Of 3-dB Networks
>Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 6:25 PM
>To: 'WISPA General List'
>Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
>
>Well...
>
>I'd be happy to quote you a Dragonwave link... I think you will be
>surprised
>how close it comes to the Trango pricing... and I think the performance
>is
>much better (I don't want to rehash that whole thread).
>
>We also will take care of all of the licensing work for you.
>
>Hit me offlist if you like.
>
>Daniel White
>3-dB Networks
>http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>
>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>>Behalf Of Andrew Niemantsverdriet
>>Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 10:08 AM
>>To: WISPA General List
>>Subject: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
>>
>>I am looking for a good place to get an 18ghz link, where do you guys
>>suggest. Ideally the company would also procure the licence for us. I
>>am thinking I want the Trango APEX because of it cost / performance.
>>So if anybody has suggestions on a good company to use I am all ears!
>>
>>Thanks,
>> _
>>/-\ ndrew
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

[3-dB Networks]

I'm going to go with Jeff on this one... there has been multiple threads on
this topic... I think it has been beat to death.  If you want to talk about
it offlist I'd be happy to.

As far as the price difference... I'd be happy to quote the Dragonwave and
let you compare it to the published Trango deals... but my personal opinion
is that you are not paying a premium for the Dragonwave name... compared to
what I would consider the benefits.

Daniel White
3-dB Networks
http://www.3dbnetworks.com


>-Original Message-
>From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>Behalf Of Jeff Ehman
>Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 8:08 PM
>To: WISPA General List
>Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
>
>All,
>
>When comparing exactly apples to apples, there is about a 10-20% premium
>for a Dragonwave product.
>
>There are plenty of threads on this topic.  I would be happy to grab a
>bunch for you so hit me off off-list.  It really depends on your
>application for which product you would like to go with.  I would be
>more than happy to walk you through everything.
>
>I try to refrain from stating opinions in a public forum.
>
>-Jeff
>
>-Original Message-
>From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>Behalf Of Brad Belton
>Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 6:36 PM
>To: 'WISPA General List'
>Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
>
>Hello Daniel,
>
>Can you elaborate in what way the Dragonwave "performance is much
>better"?
>Do you have a comparison chart you can share with us explaining how a
>Dragonwave stacks up against competing products.  Namely Trango in this
>case.
>
>Exactly how close is "close" when you mention pricing between the two
>products?  "Close" is a relative term don't you agree?  So, are we
>talking
>$5, $50, $500, $5000?
>
>Look forward to your responses.
>
>Thank you,
>
>
>Brad
>
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>Behalf Of 3-dB Networks
>Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 6:25 PM
>To: 'WISPA General List'
>Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
>
>Well...
>
>I'd be happy to quote you a Dragonwave link... I think you will be
>surprised
>how close it comes to the Trango pricing... and I think the performance
>is
>much better (I don't want to rehash that whole thread).
>
>We also will take care of all of the licensing work for you.
>
>Hit me offlist if you like.
>
>Daniel White
>3-dB Networks
>http://www.3dbnetworks.com
>
>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>>Behalf Of Andrew Niemantsverdriet
>>Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 10:08 AM
>>To: WISPA General List
>>Subject: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
>>
>>I am looking for a good place to get an 18ghz link, where do you guys
>>suggest. Ideally the company would also procure the licence for us. I
>>am thinking I want the Trango APEX because of it cost / performance.
>>So if anybody has suggestions on a good company to use I am all ears!
>>
>>Thanks,
>> _
>>/-\ ndrew
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

[Travis Johnson]

Isn't that the purpose of a public forum? :)

Travis
Microserv

Jeff Ehman wrote:

  All,

When comparing exactly apples to apples, there is about a 10-20% premium for a Dragonwave product.

There are plenty of threads on this topic.  I would be happy to grab a bunch for you so hit me off off-list.  It really depends on your application for which product you would like to go with.  I would be more than happy to walk you through everything.

I try to refrain from stating opinions in a public forum.

-Jeff

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brad Belton
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 6:36 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

Hello Daniel,

Can you elaborate in what way the Dragonwave "performance is much better"?
Do you have a comparison chart you can share with us explaining how a
Dragonwave stacks up against competing products.  Namely Trango in this
case.

Exactly how close is "close" when you mention pricing between the two
products?  "Close" is a relative term don't you agree?  So, are we talking
$5, $50, $500, $5000?

Look forward to your responses.

Thank you,


Brad



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of 3-dB Networks
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 6:25 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

Well...

I'd be happy to quote you a Dragonwave link... I think you will be surprised
how close it comes to the Trango pricing... and I think the performance is
much better (I don't want to rehash that whole thread).

We also will take care of all of the licensing work for you.

Hit me offlist if you like.

Daniel White
3-dB Networks
http://www.3dbnetworks.com


  
  
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Andrew Niemantsverdriet
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 10:08 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

I am looking for a good place to get an 18ghz link, where do you guys
suggest. Ideally the company would also procure the licence for us. I
am thinking I want the Trango APEX because of it cost / performance.
So if anybody has suggestions on a good company to use I am all ears!

Thanks,
_
/-\ ndrew




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Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle

[Mark Nash]

I always thought of buying a hybrid...

...then putting it in the bed of my truck and hauling it around just to say 
that I take my hybrid everywhere I go...

Mark Nash
UnwiredWest
78 Centennial Loop
Suite E
Eugene, OR 97401
541-998-
541-998-5599 fax
http://www.unwiredwest.com
- Original Message - 
From: "D. Ryan Spott" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 6:38 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle


> Made me think of a license plate holder I saw on an SUV:
> "Buy a hybrid, I need your gas!"
>
> ryan
>
>
> D. Ryan Spott
> rsp...@cspott.com
>
>
>
> On Feb 10, 2009, at 6:33 PM, Travis Johnson wrote:
>
>> If it makes you feel better, today we only got 8mpg while pulling
>> our sno-cat (with a Duramax even) at 80mph down the freeway. ;)
>>
>> Travis
>> Microserv
>>
>> Mark Nash wrote:
>>>
>>> LOL I was just thinking about revitalizing this thread as I was
>>> speeding
>>> across our valley here because one of our techs called in sick.
>>> Had 4
>>> appointments to keep...about 120 miles to cover...
>>>
>>> ...and MY service truck is an F350/V10 - crew cab - full bed.
>>>
>>> ...I get 10 on a good day. :)
>>>
>>> Mark Nash
>>> UnwiredWest
>>> 78 Centennial Loop
>>> Suite E
>>> Eugene, OR 97401
>>> 541-998-
>>> 541-998-5599 fax
>>> http://www.unwiredwest.com
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181" 
>>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 8:44 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle
>>>
>>>
>>>
 fyi, it's not a van...

 http://www.leasetrader.com/photos/actual98286/640x480/GMC-Envoy-XL-Sport-Utility.jpeg

 I wanted a red or blue one with a v8 (327 and those one's
 HAUL).  Had
 to
 settle for a completely loaded white one though.  Leather, DVD for
 the
 kids,
 heated seats and seat backs, blinkers on the mirrors, air ride
 suspension
 (this rig rides better than any car I've ever had) etc.  It's also
 nearly
 a
 foot and a half longer than the standard version.  So when you get
 one
 make
 sure you look for the one with the 3rd seat.

 http://shop.ebay.com/items/_W0QQ_dmptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories?_nkw=gmc+envoy+xl&_sacat=0&_fromfsb=&_trksid=m270.l1313&_odkw=gmc+envoy&_osacat=0

 These are the same thing as the Chevy Trailblazer.

 The XUV version looks pretty interesting too.  I ALMOST got one of
 them,
 didn't like the sales guy though so I walked out on the deal.

 http://www.familycar.com/RoadTests/GMC-XUV/Photos.htm

 They have some of those on ebay too:
 http://shop.ebay.com/items/__xuv?_trkparms=72%253A317%257C66%253A2%257C65%253A12%257C39%253A1&_dmpt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_pgn=2

 laters,
 Marlon
 (509) 982-2181
 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator
 since
 1999!
 o...@odessaoffice.com
 www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
 www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam



 - Original Message -
 From: "Josh Luthman" 
 To: "WISPA General List" 
 Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 11:13 AM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle



> If we could get a van like that financed I would be in heaven -
> my main
> benefit is just as you said, everything stays warm.  Steel and
> cold just
> do
> not mix.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it,
> poorly.
> --- Henry Spencer
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 1:18 PM, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 <
> o...@odessaoffice.com> wrote:
>
>
>> I just picked up an '04 GMC Envoy XL.  It's the one with the 3rd
>> seat.
>> I'm
>> only getting 16 to 17 mpg with it but it's cheap to insure and is
>> totally
>> loaded.  It was just over $13k for a 50,000 mile rig with no
>> real flaws.
>> I
>> did end up having to replace the radiator already, but that
>> didn't show
>> up
>> at first.
>>
>> The ladder sits on top nicely and is easy to reach.  Everything
>> else
>> sits
>> well inside.  As a bonus all of my tools etc. stay warm in the
>> winter
>> and
>> cold in the summer.
>>
>> The 4 wheel drive has been really nice this winter too.
>>
>> Best of all?  No one else drives around with a ladder on top of
>> one.
>> EVERYONE knows my rig.  That alone is a nice sales too.
>>
>> Marlon
>> (509) 982-2181
>> (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
>> 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator
>> since
>> 1999!
>> o...@odessaoffice.com
>

Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

[Jeff Ehman]

All,

When comparing exactly apples to apples, there is about a 10-20% premium for a 
Dragonwave product.

There are plenty of threads on this topic.  I would be happy to grab a bunch 
for you so hit me off off-list.  It really depends on your application for 
which product you would like to go with.  I would be more than happy to walk 
you through everything.

I try to refrain from stating opinions in a public forum.

-Jeff

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Brad Belton
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 6:36 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

Hello Daniel,

Can you elaborate in what way the Dragonwave "performance is much better"?
Do you have a comparison chart you can share with us explaining how a
Dragonwave stacks up against competing products.  Namely Trango in this
case.

Exactly how close is "close" when you mention pricing between the two
products?  "Close" is a relative term don't you agree?  So, are we talking
$5, $50, $500, $5000?

Look forward to your responses.

Thank you,


Brad



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of 3-dB Networks
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 6:25 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

Well...

I'd be happy to quote you a Dragonwave link... I think you will be surprised
how close it comes to the Trango pricing... and I think the performance is
much better (I don't want to rehash that whole thread).

We also will take care of all of the licensing work for you.

Hit me offlist if you like.

Daniel White
3-dB Networks
http://www.3dbnetworks.com


>-Original Message-
>From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>Behalf Of Andrew Niemantsverdriet
>Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 10:08 AM
>To: WISPA General List
>Subject: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
>
>I am looking for a good place to get an 18ghz link, where do you guys
>suggest. Ideally the company would also procure the licence for us. I
>am thinking I want the Trango APEX because of it cost / performance.
>So if anybody has suggestions on a good company to use I am all ears!
>
>Thanks,
> _
>/-\ ndrew
>
>
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[WISPA] FYI - more news on stimulous/broadband

[J. Vogel]

Net neutrality and the broadband provisions in the stimulus bill

US Senator Dianne Feinstein hopes to update President Barack Obama's
$838bn economic stimulus package so that American ISPs can deter child
pornography, copyright infringement, and other unlawful activity by way
of "reasonable network management."

Clearly, a lobbyist whispering in Feinstein's ear has taken Comcast's
now famous euphamism even further into the realm of nonsense.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/02/11/feinstein_stimulus_amendment/

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Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle

[D. Ryan Spott]

Made me think of a license plate holder I saw on an SUV:
"Buy a hybrid, I need your gas!"

ryan


D. Ryan Spott
rsp...@cspott.com



On Feb 10, 2009, at 6:33 PM, Travis Johnson wrote:

> If it makes you feel better, today we only got 8mpg while pulling  
> our sno-cat (with a Duramax even) at 80mph down the freeway. ;)
>
> Travis
> Microserv
>
> Mark Nash wrote:
>>
>> LOL I was just thinking about revitalizing this thread as I was  
>> speeding
>> across our valley here because one of our techs called in sick.   
>> Had 4
>> appointments to keep...about 120 miles to cover...
>>
>> ...and MY service truck is an F350/V10 - crew cab - full bed.
>>
>> ...I get 10 on a good day. :)
>>
>> Mark Nash
>> UnwiredWest
>> 78 Centennial Loop
>> Suite E
>> Eugene, OR 97401
>> 541-998-
>> 541-998-5599 fax
>> http://www.unwiredwest.com
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181" 
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 8:44 AM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle
>>
>>
>>
>>> fyi, it's not a van...
>>>
>>> http://www.leasetrader.com/photos/actual98286/640x480/GMC-Envoy-XL-Sport-Utility.jpeg
>>>
>>> I wanted a red or blue one with a v8 (327 and those one's  
>>> HAUL).  Had
>>> to
>>> settle for a completely loaded white one though.  Leather, DVD for  
>>> the
>>> kids,
>>> heated seats and seat backs, blinkers on the mirrors, air ride  
>>> suspension
>>> (this rig rides better than any car I've ever had) etc.  It's also  
>>> nearly
>>> a
>>> foot and a half longer than the standard version.  So when you get  
>>> one
>>> make
>>> sure you look for the one with the 3rd seat.
>>>
>>> http://shop.ebay.com/items/_W0QQ_dmptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories?_nkw=gmc+envoy+xl&_sacat=0&_fromfsb=&_trksid=m270.l1313&_odkw=gmc+envoy&_osacat=0
>>>
>>> These are the same thing as the Chevy Trailblazer.
>>>
>>> The XUV version looks pretty interesting too.  I ALMOST got one of  
>>> them,
>>> didn't like the sales guy though so I walked out on the deal.
>>>
>>> http://www.familycar.com/RoadTests/GMC-XUV/Photos.htm
>>>
>>> They have some of those on ebay too:
>>> http://shop.ebay.com/items/__xuv?_trkparms=72%253A317%257C66%253A2%257C65%253A12%257C39%253A1&_dmpt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_pgn=2
>>>
>>> laters,
>>> Marlon
>>> (509) 982-2181
>>> (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
>>> 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator  
>>> since
>>> 1999!
>>> o...@odessaoffice.com
>>> www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
>>> www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Josh Luthman" 
>>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 11:13 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle
>>>
>>>
>>>
 If we could get a van like that financed I would be in heaven -  
 my main
 benefit is just as you said, everything stays warm.  Steel and  
 cold just
 do
 not mix.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373

 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it,  
 poorly.
 --- Henry Spencer


 On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 1:18 PM, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 <
 o...@odessaoffice.com> wrote:


> I just picked up an '04 GMC Envoy XL.  It's the one with the 3rd  
> seat.
> I'm
> only getting 16 to 17 mpg with it but it's cheap to insure and is
> totally
> loaded.  It was just over $13k for a 50,000 mile rig with no  
> real flaws.
> I
> did end up having to replace the radiator already, but that  
> didn't show
> up
> at first.
>
> The ladder sits on top nicely and is easy to reach.  Everything  
> else
> sits
> well inside.  As a bonus all of my tools etc. stay warm in the  
> winter
> and
> cold in the summer.
>
> The 4 wheel drive has been really nice this winter too.
>
> Best of all?  No one else drives around with a ladder on top of  
> one.
> EVERYONE knows my rig.  That alone is a nice sales too.
>
> Marlon
> (509) 982-2181
> (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
> 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator  
> since
> 1999!
> o...@odessaoffice.com
> www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
> www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Josh Luthman" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 7:46 AM
> Subject: [WISPA] Service vehicle
>
>
>
>> What does everyone use for a service vehicle?  We have an 1999  
>> f250
>> that is at the end of it's road.  It has the cabinets and  
>> ladder racks
>> to put al our stuff in.
>>
>> Our tower climber for those picky tower owners has a brand new 

Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle

[Travis Johnson]

If it makes you feel better, today we only got 8mpg while pulling our
sno-cat (with a Duramax even) at 80mph down the freeway. ;)

Travis
Microserv

Mark Nash wrote:

  LOL I was just thinking about revitalizing this thread as I was speeding 
across our valley here because one of our techs called in sick.  Had 4 
appointments to keep...about 120 miles to cover...

...and MY service truck is an F350/V10 - crew cab - full bed.

...I get 10 on a good day. :)

Mark Nash
UnwiredWest
78 Centennial Loop
Suite E
Eugene, OR 97401
541-998-
541-998-5599 fax
http://www.unwiredwest.com
- Original Message - 
From: "Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 8:44 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle


  
  
fyi, it's not a van...

http://www.leasetrader.com/photos/actual98286/640x480/GMC-Envoy-XL-Sport-Utility.jpeg

I wanted a red or blue one with a v8 (327 and those one's HAUL).  Had 
to
settle for a completely loaded white one though.  Leather, DVD for the 
kids,
heated seats and seat backs, blinkers on the mirrors, air ride suspension
(this rig rides better than any car I've ever had) etc.  It's also nearly 
a
foot and a half longer than the standard version.  So when you get one 
make
sure you look for the one with the 3rd seat.

http://shop.ebay.com/items/_W0QQ_dmptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories?_nkw=gmc+envoy+xl&_sacat=0&_fromfsb=&_trksid=m270.l1313&_odkw=gmc+envoy&_osacat=0

These are the same thing as the Chevy Trailblazer.

The XUV version looks pretty interesting too.  I ALMOST got one of them,
didn't like the sales guy though so I walked out on the deal.

http://www.familycar.com/RoadTests/GMC-XUV/Photos.htm

They have some of those on ebay too:
http://shop.ebay.com/items/__xuv?_trkparms=72%253A317%257C66%253A2%257C65%253A12%257C39%253A1&_dmpt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_pgn=2

laters,
Marlon
(509) 982-2181
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 
1999!
o...@odessaoffice.com
www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam



- Original Message - 
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 11:13 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle




  If we could get a van like that financed I would be in heaven - my main
benefit is just as you said, everything stays warm.  Steel and cold just
do
not mix.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
--- Henry Spencer


On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 1:18 PM, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 <
o...@odessaoffice.com> wrote:

  
  
I just picked up an '04 GMC Envoy XL.  It's the one with the 3rd seat.
I'm
only getting 16 to 17 mpg with it but it's cheap to insure and is 
totally
loaded.  It was just over $13k for a 50,000 mile rig with no real flaws.
I
did end up having to replace the radiator already, but that didn't show
up
at first.

The ladder sits on top nicely and is easy to reach.  Everything else 
sits
well inside.  As a bonus all of my tools etc. stay warm in the winter 
and
cold in the summer.

The 4 wheel drive has been really nice this winter too.

Best of all?  No one else drives around with a ladder on top of one.
EVERYONE knows my rig.  That alone is a nice sales too.

Marlon
(509) 982-2181
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since
1999!
o...@odessaoffice.com
www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam



- Original Message -
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 7:46 AM
Subject: [WISPA] Service vehicle




  What does everyone use for a service vehicle?  We have an 1999 f250
that is at the end of it's road.  It has the cabinets and ladder racks
to put al our stuff in.

Our tower climber for those picky tower owners has a brand new Dodge.
If you haven't seen these check them out.  If we could afford these I
wouldn't be asking :(

--
Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
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Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle

[Mark Nash]

LOL I was just thinking about revitalizing this thread as I was speeding 
across our valley here because one of our techs called in sick.  Had 4 
appointments to keep...about 120 miles to cover...

...and MY service truck is an F350/V10 - crew cab - full bed.

...I get 10 on a good day. :)

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- Original Message - 
From: "Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 8:44 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle


> fyi, it's not a van...
>
> http://www.leasetrader.com/photos/actual98286/640x480/GMC-Envoy-XL-Sport-Utility.jpeg
>
> I wanted a red or blue one with a v8 (327 and those one's HAUL).  Had 
> to
> settle for a completely loaded white one though.  Leather, DVD for the 
> kids,
> heated seats and seat backs, blinkers on the mirrors, air ride suspension
> (this rig rides better than any car I've ever had) etc.  It's also nearly 
> a
> foot and a half longer than the standard version.  So when you get one 
> make
> sure you look for the one with the 3rd seat.
>
> http://shop.ebay.com/items/_W0QQ_dmptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories?_nkw=gmc+envoy+xl&_sacat=0&_fromfsb=&_trksid=m270.l1313&_odkw=gmc+envoy&_osacat=0
>
> These are the same thing as the Chevy Trailblazer.
>
> The XUV version looks pretty interesting too.  I ALMOST got one of them,
> didn't like the sales guy though so I walked out on the deal.
>
> http://www.familycar.com/RoadTests/GMC-XUV/Photos.htm
>
> They have some of those on ebay too:
> http://shop.ebay.com/items/__xuv?_trkparms=72%253A317%257C66%253A2%257C65%253A12%257C39%253A1&_dmpt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_pgn=2
>
> laters,
> Marlon
> (509) 982-2181
> (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
> 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 
> 1999!
> o...@odessaoffice.com
> www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
> www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam
>
>
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Josh Luthman" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 11:13 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle
>
>
>> If we could get a van like that financed I would be in heaven - my main
>> benefit is just as you said, everything stays warm.  Steel and cold just
>> do
>> not mix.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
>> --- Henry Spencer
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 1:18 PM, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 <
>> o...@odessaoffice.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I just picked up an '04 GMC Envoy XL.  It's the one with the 3rd seat.
>>> I'm
>>> only getting 16 to 17 mpg with it but it's cheap to insure and is 
>>> totally
>>> loaded.  It was just over $13k for a 50,000 mile rig with no real flaws.
>>> I
>>> did end up having to replace the radiator already, but that didn't show
>>> up
>>> at first.
>>>
>>> The ladder sits on top nicely and is easy to reach.  Everything else 
>>> sits
>>> well inside.  As a bonus all of my tools etc. stay warm in the winter 
>>> and
>>> cold in the summer.
>>>
>>> The 4 wheel drive has been really nice this winter too.
>>>
>>> Best of all?  No one else drives around with a ladder on top of one.
>>> EVERYONE knows my rig.  That alone is a nice sales too.
>>>
>>> Marlon
>>> (509) 982-2181
>>> (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
>>> 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since
>>> 1999!
>>> o...@odessaoffice.com
>>> www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
>>> www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Josh Luthman" 
>>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>>> Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 7:46 AM
>>> Subject: [WISPA] Service vehicle
>>>
>>>
>>> > What does everyone use for a service vehicle?  We have an 1999 f250
>>> > that is at the end of it's road.  It has the cabinets and ladder racks
>>> > to put al our stuff in.
>>> >
>>> > Our tower climber for those picky tower owners has a brand new Dodge.
>>> > If you haven't seen these check them out.  If we could afford these I
>>> > wouldn't be asking :(
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > Josh Luthman
>>> > Office: 937-552-2340
>>> > Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> > 1100 Wayne St
>>> > Suite 1337
>>> > Troy, OH 45373
>>> >
>>> > Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
>>> > --- Henry Spencer
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
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Re: [WISPA] New Stimulus bill Broadband Definitions

[Tom DeReggi]

That text is wrong, it is from the old House bill.

The Senate bill asks for advanced broadband to be 100mbps.
AND only fiber, Powerline, and PtMP is eligible, PTP wireless is not 
eligible under the amended Sentate bill.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: "St. Louis Broadband" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 7:49 PM
Subject: [WISPA] New Stimulus bill Broadband Definitions


>I don't know if this will be revised before it is voted on, but it appears
> that it needs to be corrected:
> In Title VI - BROADBAND COMMUNICATIONS (pg 661-662)
> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/08/senate-stimulus-bill-full_n_163144.html
> (j)
> DEFINITIONS - for the purpose of this section - (1) the term "advanced
> broadband service" means a service delivering data to the end user
> transmitted at a speed of at least 45 megabits per second downstream and 
> at
> least 15 megabits per second upstream; (2) the term "advanced wireless
> broadband service" means a wireless service delivering to the end user 
> data
> transmitted at a speed of at least 3 megabits per second downstream and at
> least 1 megabit per second upstream over and end-to-end internet protocol
> wireless network;
> (3) the term "basic broadband service" means a service delivering data to
> the end user transmitted to a speed of at least 5 megabits per second
> downstream and at least 1 megabit per second upstream;"
>
> So the "advanced broadband service" is your backhaul @ 45/15 mbps, 
> "advanced
> broadband service" SHOULD BE 5/1 mbps and "basic broadband service" SHOULD
> BE 3/1 mbps
>
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Re: [WISPA] New Stimulus bill Broadband Definitions

[St. Louis Broadband]

You are correct!  Very confusing because most of the text under this title
is referring to wireless service and not broadband service.
I do not understand why this is going under the NTIA umbrella rather than
RUS.  Any ideas on that?

BTW - Glad about the 3/1 on wireless, since a lot of proprietary radios,
i.e. Trangos will only do that.

Victoria

On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 7:05 PM,  wrote:

> Actually not.
> Advanced broadband service 45/15
> Basic broadband service 5/1
> Advanced WIRELESS broadband service 3/1
>
> But nothing stating what Basic Wireless broadband service is supposed to be
> at least in the excerpt.
>
> /Eje
> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
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> -Original Message-
> From: Jack Unger 
>
> Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 17:00:21
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] New Stimulus bill Broadband Definitions
>
>
> So it looks like the definitions of "Basic broadband service" and
> "Advanced broadband service" are interchanged. Good catch!!
>
> St. Louis Broadband wrote:
> > I don't know if this will be revised before it is voted on, but it
> appears
> > that it needs to be corrected:
> > In Title VI - BROADBAND COMMUNICATIONS (pg 661-662)
> >
> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/08/senate-stimulus-bill-full_n_163144.html
> > (j)
> > DEFINITIONS - for the purpose of this section - (1) the term "advanced
> > broadband service" means a service delivering data to the end user
> > transmitted at a speed of at least 45 megabits per second downstream and
> at
> > least 15 megabits per second upstream; (2) the term "advanced wireless
> > broadband service" means a wireless service delivering to the end user
> data
> > transmitted at a speed of at least 3 megabits per second downstream and
> at
> > least 1 megabit per second upstream over and end-to-end internet protocol
> > wireless network;
> > (3) the term "basic broadband service" means a service delivering data to
> > the end user transmitted to a speed of at least 5 megabits per second
> > downstream and at least 1 megabit per second upstream;"
> >
> > So the "advanced broadband service" is your backhaul @ 45/15 mbps,
> "advanced
> > broadband service" SHOULD BE 5/1 mbps and "basic broadband service"
> SHOULD
> > BE 3/1 mbps
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [WISPA] New Stimulus bill Broadband Definitions

[eje]

Actually not. 
Advanced broadband service 45/15
Basic broadband service 5/1
Advanced WIRELESS broadband service 3/1

But nothing stating what Basic Wireless broadband service is supposed to be at 
least in the excerpt. 

/Eje
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

-Original Message-
From: Jack Unger 

Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 17:00:21 
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] New Stimulus bill Broadband Definitions


So it looks like the definitions of "Basic broadband service" and 
"Advanced broadband service" are interchanged. Good catch!!

St. Louis Broadband wrote:
> I don't know if this will be revised before it is voted on, but it appears
> that it needs to be corrected:
> In Title VI - BROADBAND COMMUNICATIONS (pg 661-662)
> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/08/senate-stimulus-bill-full_n_163144.html
> (j)
> DEFINITIONS - for the purpose of this section - (1) the term "advanced
> broadband service" means a service delivering data to the end user
> transmitted at a speed of at least 45 megabits per second downstream and at
> least 15 megabits per second upstream; (2) the term "advanced wireless
> broadband service" means a wireless service delivering to the end user data
> transmitted at a speed of at least 3 megabits per second downstream and at
> least 1 megabit per second upstream over and end-to-end internet protocol
> wireless network;
> (3) the term "basic broadband service" means a service delivering data to
> the end user transmitted to a speed of at least 5 megabits per second
> downstream and at least 1 megabit per second upstream;"
>
> So the "advanced broadband service" is your backhaul @ 45/15 mbps, "advanced
> broadband service" SHOULD BE 5/1 mbps and "basic broadband service" SHOULD
> BE 3/1 mbps
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] New Stimulus bill Broadband Definitions

[Jack Unger]

So it looks like the definitions of "Basic broadband service" and 
"Advanced broadband service" are interchanged. Good catch!!

St. Louis Broadband wrote:
> I don't know if this will be revised before it is voted on, but it appears
> that it needs to be corrected:
> In Title VI - BROADBAND COMMUNICATIONS (pg 661-662)
> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/08/senate-stimulus-bill-full_n_163144.html
> (j)
> DEFINITIONS - for the purpose of this section - (1) the term "advanced
> broadband service" means a service delivering data to the end user
> transmitted at a speed of at least 45 megabits per second downstream and at
> least 15 megabits per second upstream; (2) the term "advanced wireless
> broadband service" means a wireless service delivering to the end user data
> transmitted at a speed of at least 3 megabits per second downstream and at
> least 1 megabit per second upstream over and end-to-end internet protocol
> wireless network;
> (3) the term "basic broadband service" means a service delivering data to
> the end user transmitted to a speed of at least 5 megabits per second
> downstream and at least 1 megabit per second upstream;"
>
> So the "advanced broadband service" is your backhaul @ 45/15 mbps, "advanced
> broadband service" SHOULD BE 5/1 mbps and "basic broadband service" SHOULD
> BE 3/1 mbps
>
>
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[WISPA] New Stimulus bill Broadband Definitions

[St. Louis Broadband]

I don't know if this will be revised before it is voted on, but it appears
that it needs to be corrected:
In Title VI - BROADBAND COMMUNICATIONS (pg 661-662)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/08/senate-stimulus-bill-full_n_163144.html
(j)
DEFINITIONS - for the purpose of this section - (1) the term "advanced
broadband service" means a service delivering data to the end user
transmitted at a speed of at least 45 megabits per second downstream and at
least 15 megabits per second upstream; (2) the term "advanced wireless
broadband service" means a wireless service delivering to the end user data
transmitted at a speed of at least 3 megabits per second downstream and at
least 1 megabit per second upstream over and end-to-end internet protocol
wireless network;
(3) the term "basic broadband service" means a service delivering data to
the end user transmitted to a speed of at least 5 megabits per second
downstream and at least 1 megabit per second upstream;"

So the "advanced broadband service" is your backhaul @ 45/15 mbps, "advanced
broadband service" SHOULD BE 5/1 mbps and "basic broadband service" SHOULD
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Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

[Brad Belton]

Hello Daniel,

Can you elaborate in what way the Dragonwave "performance is much better"?
Do you have a comparison chart you can share with us explaining how a
Dragonwave stacks up against competing products.  Namely Trango in this
case.  

Exactly how close is "close" when you mention pricing between the two
products?  "Close" is a relative term don't you agree?  So, are we talking
$5, $50, $500, $5000?

Look forward to your responses.

Thank you,


Brad



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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of 3-dB Networks
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 6:25 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

Well...

I'd be happy to quote you a Dragonwave link... I think you will be surprised
how close it comes to the Trango pricing... and I think the performance is
much better (I don't want to rehash that whole thread).

We also will take care of all of the licensing work for you.

Hit me offlist if you like.

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>-Original Message-
>From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>Behalf Of Andrew Niemantsverdriet
>Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 10:08 AM
>To: WISPA General List
>Subject: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
>
>I am looking for a good place to get an 18ghz link, where do you guys
>suggest. Ideally the company would also procure the licence for us. I
>am thinking I want the Trango APEX because of it cost / performance.
>So if anybody has suggestions on a good company to use I am all ears!
>
>Thanks,
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Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

[3-dB Networks]

Well...

I'd be happy to quote you a Dragonwave link... I think you will be surprised
how close it comes to the Trango pricing... and I think the performance is
much better (I don't want to rehash that whole thread).

We also will take care of all of the licensing work for you.

Hit me offlist if you like.

Daniel White
3-dB Networks
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>-Original Message-
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>Behalf Of Andrew Niemantsverdriet
>Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 10:08 AM
>To: WISPA General List
>Subject: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
>
>I am looking for a good place to get an 18ghz link, where do you guys
>suggest. Ideally the company would also procure the licence for us. I
>am thinking I want the Trango APEX because of it cost / performance.
>So if anybody has suggestions on a good company to use I am all ears!
>
>Thanks,
> _
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Re: [WISPA] yucky backhaul, need ideas

[Blair Davis]

I've had better luck with the XR cards.  

The little antenna switch in the SR cards always seems to fail after a
few months in the field...

Travis Johnson wrote:

  
We standardized on the SR5 about 3 years ago. Have never had a single
card fail (with over 100 in full production). When the XR5 first came
out, we ordered 2 for a ptp link and one card was bad (but it didn't
show up until we had already made a 3 hour trip to the tower site).
Since then, we stick with the SR5 because they just seem to run and run
and run... :)
  
We did place a ptp link using two SR5 cards with XR5 cards (it was a
marginal link). We only saw 1db improvement in signal levels and no
change in performance.
  
Travis
Microserv
  
Mike Hammett wrote:
  
Any reason why you're choosing the SR over the XR?  (We may have been here 
before.)

IIRC, the chipset that the SR5 uses listens to 20 MHz whereas the XR5 would 
listen to 5 or 10.


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From: "Travis Johnson" 
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 12:24 PM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] yucky backhaul, need ideas

  

  Mikrotik RB411 with SR5 cards, ARC 23dbi flat panel integrated enclosure
antennas running in a 10mhz wide channel with Nstreme.

Travis
Microserv

Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:

  
Hi All,

I have a 9 mile link that I need to put in for a new tower site.  No 
problem
with the 9 miles.

However, the link will have 100% fresnel encroachment AND a tree in the 
way.

We'll have to be low to the ground (though I can see the other end right
now).  One end will *JUST* clear the top of a metal shop, at least we 
don't
hit it length wise.  A little further along, and across the street there 
is
a leafy tree.

If I could get 6 to 10 megs out there it would do for now.

There's not much of a budget for this so fancy licensed systems are out 
of
the question.

I was thinking an Airaya or MT system with a 1' dish on one end and 2' on
the other?

What would you do?

Or do I need to see if I can find another fiber location to send from?

Thanks,
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Re: [WISPA] yucky backhaul, need ideas

[Blair Davis]

rock salt and a drill.  the tree will de-leaf quickly...

:P

CHUCK PROFITO wrote:

  Move the tower left  or right a few yards :-)

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-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 9:58 AM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] yucky backhaul, need ideas

Hi All,

I have a 9 mile link that I need to put in for a new tower site.  No problem

with the 9 miles.

However, the link will have 100% fresnel encroachment AND a tree in the way.

We'll have to be low to the ground (though I can see the other end right 
now).  One end will *JUST* clear the top of a metal shop, at least we don't 
hit it length wise.  A little further along, and across the street there is 
a leafy tree.

If I could get 6 to 10 megs out there it would do for now.

There's not much of a budget for this so fancy licensed systems are out of 
the question.

I was thinking an Airaya or MT system with a 1' dish on one end and 2' on 
the other?

What would you do?

Or do I need to see if I can find another fiber location to send from?

Thanks,
Marlon
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Re: [WISPA] test

[os10rules]

Yeah, I notice I don't receive copies of the messages I send. But I  
see replies so I know they go through.

Greg

On Feb 10, 2009, at 7:06 PM, Phil Curnutt wrote:

> And it went through.
>
> Phil
>
> On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 4:28 PM, Blair Davis   
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>> I've sent several replies to the list today and none of them have  
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>> So here is a test.
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Re: [WISPA] test

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And it went through.

Phil

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[WISPA] test

[Blair Davis]

I've sent several replies to the list today and none of them have shown
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[WISPA] circular polarity was -- Re: yucky backhaul, need ideas

[Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181]

In MY case it's due to frequency reuse.  You can't get much isolation 
against noise, other ap's etc. with it.  Something like 3dB instead of 10 to 
15.

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- Original Message - 
From: "RickG" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 10:21 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] yucky backhaul, need ideas


> I'm glad you brought this up. Why arent circular and multi-polarized
> antennas used more often? I've got a small 3dbi WiFi-Plus unit that
> performs better than many standard omni units.
> -RickG
>
> On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 1:15 PM, Jason  wrote:
>> As I understand, circular polarization will help with the Fresnel
>> problem.  It's polarity reverses when reflected, so the Fresnel
>> reflection won't degrade your signal as abruptly.  I've never had to do
>> this, though.
>>
>> Jason
>>
>> Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> I have a 9 mile link that I need to put in for a new tower site.  No 
>>> problem
>>> with the 9 miles.
>>>
>>> However, the link will have 100% fresnel encroachment AND a tree in the 
>>> way.
>>>
>>> We'll have to be low to the ground (though I can see the other end right
>>> now).  One end will *JUST* clear the top of a metal shop, at least we 
>>> don't
>>> hit it length wise.  A little further along, and across the street there 
>>> is
>>> a leafy tree.
>>>
>>> If I could get 6 to 10 megs out there it would do for now.
>>>
>>> There's not much of a budget for this so fancy licensed systems are out 
>>> of
>>> the question.
>>>
>>> I was thinking an Airaya or MT system with a 1' dish on one end and 2' 
>>> on
>>> the other?
>>>
>>> What would you do?
>>>
>>> Or do I need to see if I can find another fiber location to send from?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Marlon
>>> (509) 982-2181
>>> (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
>>> 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 
>>> 1999!
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Re: [WISPA] yucky backhaul, need ideas

[Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181]

pppttt

Wanna know what's really funny?  While checking out the building that has 
the fiber in it, I found out why the AP there has been acting up.  I thought 
it was just another flaky Teletronics 152.  Nope, it's doing fine.  The home 
owner that my "tower" sits on decided to put in a metal horse barn!  RIGHT 
in the path of the sector.

I talked to her today and asked her about it.  She said "But it's lower than 
the antenna isn't it"  Arrr  I said "Look at where the antenna 
points.  That new building is DIRECTLY between my antenna and most of my 
customers."  sigh  The good news is that I think she'll let me move it to 
the top of the house this time.

Lesson learned (again)?  NEVER ass-u-me anything when it comes to how your 
network is running.

Just went to another customer's place the other day.  He's been whining 
about slow service for months now.  We keep trying different channels etc. 
at the tower site (It's a known problematic one).  I checked his signal 
levels.  They sucked!  -92 or so.  Amazingly he was still getting 500k or 
so.  I figured I'd found the problem, bad radio.  Stuck a brand new one in 
and it was almost as bad.  What???

Next I pulled down his radio and moved it around while watching the signal 
lights.  Get this, by moving his radio DOWN about 2' I got his signal into 
the low -80s.  Speeds went into the 1 to 2 meg range.  As that put it right 
in a doorway we also moved it to the west by about 5 or 6' and mounted it. 
That got his signals into the high -70's and his speeds went into the high 3 
meg down 2 meg up range!

Sometimes, hell, most times, it's the simple stuff that trips us.

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- Original Message - 
From: "CHUCK PROFITO" 
To: "'WISPA General List'" 
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 10:09 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] yucky backhaul, need ideas


> Move the tower left  or right a few yards :-)
>
> Chuck Profito
> 209-988-7388
> CV-ACCESS, INC
> cprof...@cv-access.com
> Providing High Speed Broadband
> to Rural Central California
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 9:58 AM
> To: wireless@wispa.org
> Subject: [WISPA] yucky backhaul, need ideas
>
> Hi All,
>
> I have a 9 mile link that I need to put in for a new tower site.  No 
> problem
>
> with the 9 miles.
>
> However, the link will have 100% fresnel encroachment AND a tree in the 
> way.
>
> We'll have to be low to the ground (though I can see the other end right
> now).  One end will *JUST* clear the top of a metal shop, at least we 
> don't
> hit it length wise.  A little further along, and across the street there 
> is
> a leafy tree.
>
> If I could get 6 to 10 megs out there it would do for now.
>
> There's not much of a budget for this so fancy licensed systems are out of
> the question.
>
> I was thinking an Airaya or MT system with a 1' dish on one end and 2' on
> the other?
>
> What would you do?
>
> Or do I need to see if I can find another fiber location to send from?
>
> Thanks,
> Marlon
> (509) 982-2181
> (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
> 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 
> 1999!
> o...@odessaoffice.com
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Re: [WISPA] AP using Mikrotik Routerboard

[eje]

That is ok. The way that equipment was assembled and charged you shouldn't had 
to pay any assembly fees. As I said to you off list we will get that 
straightened out. 

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Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 15:34:05 
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] AP using Mikrotik Routerboard


Meant to send off-list... sorry.

Dave

- Original Message - 
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Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 3:32 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] AP using Mikrotik Routerboard


> Huh?  Why haven't any of my orders ever come assembled free?  Whenver I 
> want
> it assembled, you charge me something called "Assembly Charge for Kit 
> Units"
> at a cost of $6.00 each.  See invoice 29306.
>
> Dave
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: 
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> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 8:20 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] AP using Mikrotik Routerboard
>
>
>> If you purchase all items for a complete unit we will assemble it free of
>> charge. This is a service we been doing ever since we started selling
>> MikroTik 5 years ago. We will do that even for StarOS or IkarusOS base
>> solution as long as all parts and licenses to make a complete system is
>> purchased at once from us. We also offer preconfiguration (but for a 
>> small
>> charge) if you want a true plug and play solution ready to go when you
>> receive the units.
>>
>> /Eje
>> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Josh Luthman 
>>
>> Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 18:58:49
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] AP using Mikrotik Routerboard
>>
>>
>> You might spend a good 50 dollars in parts that you can reuse between
>> enclosures for every few or you can pay a vendor to do it (marked up
>> of course).
>>
>> If you'd like my full list of parts I buy/use for every AP let me know.
>>
>> On 2/9/09, Blair Davis  wrote:
>>> I could, if there was demand.
>>>
>>> I'm sure that they are out there...
>>>
>>> but, building your own is easy...
>>>
>>> Phil Curnutt wrote:

 Does anyone produce a complete Mikrotik Routerboard Access Point-  ie.-
 routerboard, radio cards, pigtails, enclosure etc.?

 Phil


 
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Re: [WISPA] AP using Mikrotik Routerboard

[David Sovereen]

Meant to send off-list... sorry.

Dave

- Original Message - 
From: "David Sovereen" 
To: ; "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 3:32 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] AP using Mikrotik Routerboard


> Huh?  Why haven't any of my orders ever come assembled free?  Whenver I 
> want
> it assembled, you charge me something called "Assembly Charge for Kit 
> Units"
> at a cost of $6.00 each.  See invoice 29306.
>
> Dave
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 8:20 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] AP using Mikrotik Routerboard
>
>
>> If you purchase all items for a complete unit we will assemble it free of
>> charge. This is a service we been doing ever since we started selling
>> MikroTik 5 years ago. We will do that even for StarOS or IkarusOS base
>> solution as long as all parts and licenses to make a complete system is
>> purchased at once from us. We also offer preconfiguration (but for a 
>> small
>> charge) if you want a true plug and play solution ready to go when you
>> receive the units.
>>
>> /Eje
>> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Josh Luthman 
>>
>> Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 18:58:49
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] AP using Mikrotik Routerboard
>>
>>
>> You might spend a good 50 dollars in parts that you can reuse between
>> enclosures for every few or you can pay a vendor to do it (marked up
>> of course).
>>
>> If you'd like my full list of parts I buy/use for every AP let me know.
>>
>> On 2/9/09, Blair Davis  wrote:
>>> I could, if there was demand.
>>>
>>> I'm sure that they are out there...
>>>
>>> but, building your own is easy...
>>>
>>> Phil Curnutt wrote:

 Does anyone produce a complete Mikrotik Routerboard Access Point-  ie.-
 routerboard, radio cards, pigtails, enclosure etc.?

 Phil


 
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>>
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>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
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Re: [WISPA] AP using Mikrotik Routerboard

[David Sovereen]

Huh?  Why haven't any of my orders ever come assembled free?  Whenver I want 
it assembled, you charge me something called "Assembly Charge for Kit Units" 
at a cost of $6.00 each.  See invoice 29306.

Dave

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Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 8:20 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] AP using Mikrotik Routerboard


> If you purchase all items for a complete unit we will assemble it free of 
> charge. This is a service we been doing ever since we started selling 
> MikroTik 5 years ago. We will do that even for StarOS or IkarusOS base 
> solution as long as all parts and licenses to make a complete system is 
> purchased at once from us. We also offer preconfiguration (but for a small 
> charge) if you want a true plug and play solution ready to go when you 
> receive the units.
>
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> -Original Message-
> From: Josh Luthman 
>
> Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2009 18:58:49
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] AP using Mikrotik Routerboard
>
>
> You might spend a good 50 dollars in parts that you can reuse between
> enclosures for every few or you can pay a vendor to do it (marked up
> of course).
>
> If you'd like my full list of parts I buy/use for every AP let me know.
>
> On 2/9/09, Blair Davis  wrote:
>> I could, if there was demand.
>>
>> I'm sure that they are out there...
>>
>> but, building your own is easy...
>>
>> Phil Curnutt wrote:
>>>
>>> Does anyone produce a complete Mikrotik Routerboard Access Point-  ie.-
>>> routerboard, radio cards, pigtails, enclosure etc.?
>>>
>>> Phil
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] yucky backhaul, need ideas

[Travis Johnson]

We standardized on the SR5 about 3 years ago. Have never had a single
card fail (with over 100 in full production). When the XR5 first came
out, we ordered 2 for a ptp link and one card was bad (but it didn't
show up until we had already made a 3 hour trip to the tower site).
Since then, we stick with the SR5 because they just seem to run and run
and run... :)

We did place a ptp link using two SR5 cards with XR5 cards (it was a
marginal link). We only saw 1db improvement in signal levels and no
change in performance.

Travis
Microserv

Mike Hammett wrote:

  Any reason why you're choosing the SR over the XR?  (We may have been here 
before.)

IIRC, the chipset that the SR5 uses listens to 20 MHz whereas the XR5 would 
listen to 5 or 10.


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--
From: "Travis Johnson" 
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 12:24 PM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] yucky backhaul, need ideas

  
  
Mikrotik RB411 with SR5 cards, ARC 23dbi flat panel integrated enclosure
antennas running in a 10mhz wide channel with Nstreme.

Travis
Microserv

Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:


  Hi All,

I have a 9 mile link that I need to put in for a new tower site.  No 
problem
with the 9 miles.

However, the link will have 100% fresnel encroachment AND a tree in the 
way.

We'll have to be low to the ground (though I can see the other end right
now).  One end will *JUST* clear the top of a metal shop, at least we 
don't
hit it length wise.  A little further along, and across the street there 
is
a leafy tree.

If I could get 6 to 10 megs out there it would do for now.

There's not much of a budget for this so fancy licensed systems are out 
of
the question.

I was thinking an Airaya or MT system with a 1' dish on one end and 2' on
the other?

What would you do?

Or do I need to see if I can find another fiber location to send from?

Thanks,
Marlon
(509) 982-2181
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
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1999!
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Re: [WISPA] yucky backhaul, need ideas

[Mike Hammett]

Any reason why you're choosing the SR over the XR?  (We may have been here 
before.)

IIRC, the chipset that the SR5 uses listens to 20 MHz whereas the XR5 would 
listen to 5 or 10.


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--
From: "Travis Johnson" 
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 12:24 PM
To: "WISPA General List" 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] yucky backhaul, need ideas

> Mikrotik RB411 with SR5 cards, ARC 23dbi flat panel integrated enclosure
> antennas running in a 10mhz wide channel with Nstreme.
>
> Travis
> Microserv
>
> Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I have a 9 mile link that I need to put in for a new tower site.  No 
>> problem
>> with the 9 miles.
>>
>> However, the link will have 100% fresnel encroachment AND a tree in the 
>> way.
>>
>> We'll have to be low to the ground (though I can see the other end right
>> now).  One end will *JUST* clear the top of a metal shop, at least we 
>> don't
>> hit it length wise.  A little further along, and across the street there 
>> is
>> a leafy tree.
>>
>> If I could get 6 to 10 megs out there it would do for now.
>>
>> There's not much of a budget for this so fancy licensed systems are out 
>> of
>> the question.
>>
>> I was thinking an Airaya or MT system with a 1' dish on one end and 2' on
>> the other?
>>
>> What would you do?
>>
>> Or do I need to see if I can find another fiber location to send from?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Marlon
>> (509) 982-2181
>> (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
>> 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 
>> 1999!
>> o...@odessaoffice.com
>> www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
>> www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] authentication gateway and other wireless equipment

[RickG]

I have a couple or working Tropos 5210's as well. Offlist if anyone
wants them. -RickG

On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 1:18 PM, Paul Kralovec
 wrote:
> The city of St. Louis Park, MN had a wireless project going for about two
> years. They have closed it down and are liquidating the equipment that
> remains. This includes a Nomadix Ag 5000 Metro box, several Proxim and
> Tropos APs, and over 2000 Ruckus MetroFlex and MediaFlex CPEs. The list of
> all of the items is attached.
>
> They have asked me to reach out to this group and others to determine any
> your interest in purchasing nay or all of this equipment. If you have any
> interest yourself of know of anyone who might. Please contact me offlist and
> I can explain in more detail.
>
> Paul D. Kralovec
>
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>
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>
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>
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>
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> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Alan Long
> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 11:52 AM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: [WISPA] authentication gateway
>
> Our current auth gateway provider IP3 has gone out of business. Wanted to
> ask what others have used and your opinions on how they function. We are
> looking at Air Marshal, Nomadix, HP/Colubris. Thanks for any help and
> recommendations you can provide.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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Re: [WISPA] yucky backhaul, need ideas

[Travis Johnson]

Mikrotik RB411 with SR5 cards, ARC 23dbi flat panel integrated enclosure 
antennas running in a 10mhz wide channel with Nstreme.

Travis
Microserv

Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I have a 9 mile link that I need to put in for a new tower site.  No problem 
> with the 9 miles.
>
> However, the link will have 100% fresnel encroachment AND a tree in the way.
>
> We'll have to be low to the ground (though I can see the other end right 
> now).  One end will *JUST* clear the top of a metal shop, at least we don't 
> hit it length wise.  A little further along, and across the street there is 
> a leafy tree.
>
> If I could get 6 to 10 megs out there it would do for now.
>
> There's not much of a budget for this so fancy licensed systems are out of 
> the question.
>
> I was thinking an Airaya or MT system with a 1' dish on one end and 2' on 
> the other?
>
> What would you do?
>
> Or do I need to see if I can find another fiber location to send from?
>
> Thanks,
> Marlon
> (509) 982-2181
> (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
> 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999!
> o...@odessaoffice.com
> www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
> www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam
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Re: [WISPA] yucky backhaul, need ideas

[RickG]

I'm glad you brought this up. Why arent circular and multi-polarized
antennas used more often? I've got a small 3dbi WiFi-Plus unit that
performs better than many standard omni units.
-RickG

On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 1:15 PM, Jason  wrote:
> As I understand, circular polarization will help with the Fresnel
> problem.  It's polarity reverses when reflected, so the Fresnel
> reflection won't degrade your signal as abruptly.  I've never had to do
> this, though.
>
> Jason
>
> Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I have a 9 mile link that I need to put in for a new tower site.  No problem
>> with the 9 miles.
>>
>> However, the link will have 100% fresnel encroachment AND a tree in the way.
>>
>> We'll have to be low to the ground (though I can see the other end right
>> now).  One end will *JUST* clear the top of a metal shop, at least we don't
>> hit it length wise.  A little further along, and across the street there is
>> a leafy tree.
>>
>> If I could get 6 to 10 megs out there it would do for now.
>>
>> There's not much of a budget for this so fancy licensed systems are out of
>> the question.
>>
>> I was thinking an Airaya or MT system with a 1' dish on one end and 2' on
>> the other?
>>
>> What would you do?
>>
>> Or do I need to see if I can find another fiber location to send from?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Marlon
>> (509) 982-2181
>> (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
>> 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999!
>> o...@odessaoffice.com
>> www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
>> www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle

[RickG]

I cant think of a nicer guy to get such a nice vehicle! Now, can come
and give me a hand? :)
-RickG

On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 11:44 AM, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
 wrote:
> fyi, it's not a van...
>
> http://www.leasetrader.com/photos/actual98286/640x480/GMC-Envoy-XL-Sport-Utility.jpeg
>
> I wanted a red or blue one with a v8 (327 and those one's HAUL).  Had to
> settle for a completely loaded white one though.  Leather, DVD for the kids,
> heated seats and seat backs, blinkers on the mirrors, air ride suspension
> (this rig rides better than any car I've ever had) etc.  It's also nearly a
> foot and a half longer than the standard version.  So when you get one make
> sure you look for the one with the 3rd seat.
>
> http://shop.ebay.com/items/_W0QQ_dmptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories?_nkw=gmc+envoy+xl&_sacat=0&_fromfsb=&_trksid=m270.l1313&_odkw=gmc+envoy&_osacat=0
>
> These are the same thing as the Chevy Trailblazer.
>
> The XUV version looks pretty interesting too.  I ALMOST got one of them,
> didn't like the sales guy though so I walked out on the deal.
>
> http://www.familycar.com/RoadTests/GMC-XUV/Photos.htm
>
> They have some of those on ebay too:
> http://shop.ebay.com/items/__xuv?_trkparms=72%253A317%257C66%253A2%257C65%253A12%257C39%253A1&_dmpt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_pgn=2
>
> laters,
> Marlon
> (509) 982-2181
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> o...@odessaoffice.com
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>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Josh Luthman" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 11:13 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle
>
>
>> If we could get a van like that financed I would be in heaven - my main
>> benefit is just as you said, everything stays warm.  Steel and cold just
>> do
>> not mix.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
>> --- Henry Spencer
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 1:18 PM, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 <
>> o...@odessaoffice.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I just picked up an '04 GMC Envoy XL.  It's the one with the 3rd seat.
>>> I'm
>>> only getting 16 to 17 mpg with it but it's cheap to insure and is totally
>>> loaded.  It was just over $13k for a 50,000 mile rig with no real flaws.
>>> I
>>> did end up having to replace the radiator already, but that didn't show
>>> up
>>> at first.
>>>
>>> The ladder sits on top nicely and is easy to reach.  Everything else sits
>>> well inside.  As a bonus all of my tools etc. stay warm in the winter and
>>> cold in the summer.
>>>
>>> The 4 wheel drive has been really nice this winter too.
>>>
>>> Best of all?  No one else drives around with a ladder on top of one.
>>> EVERYONE knows my rig.  That alone is a nice sales too.
>>>
>>> Marlon
>>> (509) 982-2181
>>> (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
>>> 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since
>>> 1999!
>>> o...@odessaoffice.com
>>> www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
>>> www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> - Original Message -
>>> From: "Josh Luthman" 
>>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>>> Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 7:46 AM
>>> Subject: [WISPA] Service vehicle
>>>
>>>
>>> > What does everyone use for a service vehicle?  We have an 1999 f250
>>> > that is at the end of it's road.  It has the cabinets and ladder racks
>>> > to put al our stuff in.
>>> >
>>> > Our tower climber for those picky tower owners has a brand new Dodge.
>>> > If you haven't seen these check them out.  If we could afford these I
>>> > wouldn't be asking :(
>>> >
>>> > --
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>>> > Office: 937-552-2340
>>> > Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> > 1100 Wayne St
>>> > Suite 1337
>>> > Troy, OH 45373
>>> >
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>>> > --- Henry Spencer
>>> >
>>> >
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Re: [WISPA] authentication gateway

[RickG]

Valuepoint. -RickG

On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 12:51 PM, Alan Long  wrote:
> Our current auth gateway provider IP3 has gone out of business. Wanted to
> ask what others have used and your opinions on how they function. We are
> looking at Air Marshal, Nomadix, HP/Colubris. Thanks for any help and
> recommendations you can provide.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Alan Long
> Director of Network Operations
>
> Aerowire
>
>  rn%2C+AL+36830&country=us> 687 North Dean Road
> Auburn, AL 36830
>
>
>   alan.l...@aerowire.net
>
>
> tel:
> mobile:
>
>
>  mail=along5...@yahoo.com> 3342759998
>
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Re: [WISPA] yucky backhaul, need ideas

[Jason]

As I understand, circular polarization will help with the Fresnel 
problem.  It's polarity reverses when reflected, so the Fresnel 
reflection won't degrade your signal as abruptly.  I've never had to do 
this, though.

Jason

Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I have a 9 mile link that I need to put in for a new tower site.  No problem 
> with the 9 miles.
>
> However, the link will have 100% fresnel encroachment AND a tree in the way.
>
> We'll have to be low to the ground (though I can see the other end right 
> now).  One end will *JUST* clear the top of a metal shop, at least we don't 
> hit it length wise.  A little further along, and across the street there is 
> a leafy tree.
>
> If I could get 6 to 10 megs out there it would do for now.
>
> There's not much of a budget for this so fancy licensed systems are out of 
> the question.
>
> I was thinking an Airaya or MT system with a 1' dish on one end and 2' on 
> the other?
>
> What would you do?
>
> Or do I need to see if I can find another fiber location to send from?
>
> Thanks,
> Marlon
> (509) 982-2181
> (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
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Re: [WISPA] yucky backhaul, need ideas

[CHUCK PROFITO]

Move the tower left  or right a few yards :-)

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-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 9:58 AM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] yucky backhaul, need ideas

Hi All,

I have a 9 mile link that I need to put in for a new tower site.  No problem

with the 9 miles.

However, the link will have 100% fresnel encroachment AND a tree in the way.

We'll have to be low to the ground (though I can see the other end right 
now).  One end will *JUST* clear the top of a metal shop, at least we don't 
hit it length wise.  A little further along, and across the street there is 
a leafy tree.

If I could get 6 to 10 megs out there it would do for now.

There's not much of a budget for this so fancy licensed systems are out of 
the question.

I was thinking an Airaya or MT system with a 1' dish on one end and 2' on 
the other?

What would you do?

Or do I need to see if I can find another fiber location to send from?

Thanks,
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[WISPA] Harmful Interference

[Kevin Suitor]

Folks:



I saw this blog posting during some research I was conducting and I know
the topic comes up on this list fairly regularly.  There is some useful
data on the concepts surrounding harmful interference and how the FCC
views each of the parties in a dispute and in granting rights to
spectrum.



http://www.commlawblog.com/2009/01/articles/broadcast/finding-the-harm-i
n-harmful-interference/



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[WISPA] yucky backhaul, need ideas

[Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181]

Hi All,

I have a 9 mile link that I need to put in for a new tower site.  No problem 
with the 9 miles.

However, the link will have 100% fresnel encroachment AND a tree in the way.

We'll have to be low to the ground (though I can see the other end right 
now).  One end will *JUST* clear the top of a metal shop, at least we don't 
hit it length wise.  A little further along, and across the street there is 
a leafy tree.

If I could get 6 to 10 megs out there it would do for now.

There's not much of a budget for this so fancy licensed systems are out of 
the question.

I was thinking an Airaya or MT system with a 1' dish on one end and 2' on 
the other?

What would you do?

Or do I need to see if I can find another fiber location to send from?

Thanks,
Marlon
(509) 982-2181
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
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[WISPA] authentication gateway

[Alan Long]

Our current auth gateway provider IP3 has gone out of business. Wanted to
ask what others have used and your opinions on how they function. We are
looking at Air Marshal, Nomadix, HP/Colubris. Thanks for any help and
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Re: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link

[David Blood]

CTI has a special on them right now.  


http://www.cticonnect.com/

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> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Andrew Niemantsverdriet
> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 10:08 AM
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> Subject: [WISPA] Need 18ghz link
> 
> I am looking for a good place to get an 18ghz link, where do you guys
> suggest. Ideally the company would also procure the licence for us. I
> am thinking I want the Trango APEX because of it cost / performance.
> So if anybody has suggestions on a good company to use I am all ears!
> 
> Thanks,
>  _
> /-\ ndrew
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[WISPA] Need 18ghz link

[Andrew Niemantsverdriet]

I am looking for a good place to get an 18ghz link, where do you guys
suggest. Ideally the company would also procure the licence for us. I
am thinking I want the Trango APEX because of it cost / performance.
So if anybody has suggestions on a good company to use I am all ears!

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Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle

[chris cooper]

I like F-150s, 4WD, extended cab, HDU on the back with ladder rack.
That should get you to any tower site, hold up to a 40' extension
ladder, provide secure storage for all your tools and supplies and get
decent milage.

C


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Re: [WISPA] Fw: [WISPA Members] Broadband Stimulus Package -ContactyourCongressmen

[Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181]

Yeah.  Without failure there is never innovation.

I don't think that there is anything too big to fail.  Heck, entire nations 
do it all of the time.

Let the poorly run companies die.  That'll make room for new people with 
better ides.

I heard yesterday that the calls going to people in the Senate are running 
100 to 1 AGAINST the bill.  Who knows, maybe it'll die after all.

I also heard on the radio that the GAO has predicted that we'll be worse off 
in 10 years if the bill passes.  It'll help some now, but make things even 
worse than they are now.  Seems to me that history would support that view.

shrug,
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- Original Message - 
From: 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 9:04 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fw: [WISPA Members] Broadband Stimulus 
Package -ContactyourCongressmen


> thanks Marlon.
>
> I read a rumor about two days ago that said the Senate might not pass, as
> there's at least a couple Democrats who are rather uneasy with all the
> spending and might filibuster it.  Who knows where that goes.
>
> I read somewhere that if we took the bailout money,  and stimulus money 
> that
> has and is expected to be spent, and just divided it among the adults, it
> ends up to be many thousands per working person - something over 10K.   If
> we just let the banks and loans fail and instead, divided up the 
> "insurance"
> ,FDIC obligations, and Freddy and Fannie liabilities, and all the other
> spending among all of us, I understand it would be something like 70K for
> each household.
>
> As it is, I understand that the only real break to people who are not 
> either
> really rich or really poor, is a $500 check.   And heaven only knows when
> that would show up.   And we're borrowing something just less than $3000 
> per
> man, woman, and child to do this latest one.
>
> I'm not exactly hopeful here.   All the "long term" prognosticators I read
> are now saying we're headed for certain hyperinflation.
>
> We'd have been better off to let every bank fail that's failing, let 
> Freddie
> and Fannie die, and then hand out the money that we're all liable for just
> to the people.   It would have been enough to restart a whole new 
> economoy.
>
>
>
>
> 
> 
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181" 
> To: 
> Cc: ; 
> Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 7:46 AM
> Subject: [WISPA] Fw: [WISPA Members] Broadband Stimulus Package -
> ContactyourCongressmen
>
>
>> My congressman (actually woman) voted no on the stimulus package.  I've
>> known her for years so I felt OK being more personal than I normally
>> would.  I thought it important to tell her that I LIKED her vote.  Info 
>> on
>> how to contact your representatives is listed below
>>
>> Hi Cathy,
>>
>> I just wanted to drop you a note and give you a great big THANK YOU for
>> trying to stop the madness.
>>
>> Keep voting against more government fraud, waste and abuse.
>>
>> Once the pork barrel (er, uh, sorry, stimulus bill) gets railroaded
>> through I hope you can find a way to insure that the funds go to small
>> businesses with lots and lots of small projects.  Anything else will take
>> far too long to actually be helpful.  Any applications will also need to
>> be greatly streamlined from normal government requirements.
>>
>> I would be more than happy to help in regards to my industry segment.
>> (Wireless Internet Service Provider)
>>
>> Thanks again for doing the right thing.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Marlon K. Schafer
>> Owner
>> Odessa Office Equipment
>> www.odessaoffice.com
>>
>> Marlon
>> (509) 982-2181
>> (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
>> 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since
>> 1999!
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>> www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
>> www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> To all,
>>
>>
>>
>> Here are websites that you can find your US Senators and Representatives.
>> I just sent a letter to my two Senators in Indiana.  It is important that
>> everyone do this and make sure the Senators understand the importance
>> WISPs have had in rural broadband and how important we are in the future.
>> We can send them a more unified message as the legislative committee gets
>> it refined.  I think it is important to get on the radar screen early
>> though.  Make an introduction of your company and your locations
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.house.gov/house/MemberWWW.shtml
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Respectfully,
>>
>>
>>
>> Rick Harnish
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> 

Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle

[Josh Luthman]

Cars are meant for travel.  I will agree, though, I traveled a bit too hard
=(

I shed a tear every time I see that car.  That thing was so comfortable...

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On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 11:59 AM, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 <
o...@odessaoffice.com> wrote:

> Josh you are far too hard on your cars!
>
> They are supposed to smoke from the tires, not the passenger compartment!
>
> Marlon
> (509) 982-2181
> (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
> 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999!
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>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Josh Luthman" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 8:55 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle
>
>
> > My first car was a Riviera with a v8 6.6L 403.  I owned the highways with
> > that power, I put gas stations out of business with the 8 mpg and I
> > threatened anything that went too slow.
> >
> > Then one day...
> >
> > http://iam8up.com/fiya/
> >
> > We have not made a move on a new vehicle yet so any other suggestions
> that
> > exist are more then welcome!
> >
> > Josh Luthman
> > Office: 937-552-2340
> > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > 1100 Wayne St
> > Suite 1337
> > Troy, OH 45373
> >
> > Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
> > --- Henry Spencer
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 <
> > o...@odessaoffice.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Sadly I have the inline 6 (nice smooth motor) and it's far too gutless
> >> for
> >> that!  grin
> >>
> >> Probably a good thing for me though.  This is what happens when I have a
> >> rig
> >> that will turn the tires
> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IABYPB9Yqc
> >>
> >> grin
> >> Marlon
> >> (509) 982-2181
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> >> - Original Message -
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> >> To: "WISPA General List" 
> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 8:47 AM
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Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle

[Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181]

Josh you are far too hard on your cars!

They are supposed to smoke from the tires, not the passenger compartment!

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- Original Message - 
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 8:55 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle


> My first car was a Riviera with a v8 6.6L 403.  I owned the highways with
> that power, I put gas stations out of business with the 8 mpg and I
> threatened anything that went too slow.
>
> Then one day...
>
> http://iam8up.com/fiya/
>
> We have not made a move on a new vehicle yet so any other suggestions that
> exist are more then welcome!
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
> --- Henry Spencer
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 <
> o...@odessaoffice.com> wrote:
>
>> Sadly I have the inline 6 (nice smooth motor) and it's far too gutless 
>> for
>> that!  grin
>>
>> Probably a good thing for me though.  This is what happens when I have a
>> rig
>> that will turn the tires
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IABYPB9Yqc
>>
>> grin
>> Marlon
>> (509) 982-2181
>> (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
>> 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 
>> 1999!
>> o...@odessaoffice.com
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>>
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Josh Luthman" 
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 8:47 AM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle
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Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle

[Josh Luthman]

My first car was a Riviera with a v8 6.6L 403.  I owned the highways with
that power, I put gas stations out of business with the 8 mpg and I
threatened anything that went too slow.

Then one day...

http://iam8up.com/fiya/

We have not made a move on a new vehicle yet so any other suggestions that
exist are more then welcome!

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
--- Henry Spencer


On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 <
o...@odessaoffice.com> wrote:

> Sadly I have the inline 6 (nice smooth motor) and it's far too gutless for
> that!  grin
>
> Probably a good thing for me though.  This is what happens when I have a
> rig
> that will turn the tires
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IABYPB9Yqc
>
> grin
> Marlon
> (509) 982-2181
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> 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999!
> o...@odessaoffice.com
> www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
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>
>
>
> - Original Message -
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> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 8:47 AM
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Re: [WISPA] Letter to my senators

[Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181]

Hmmm, good idea.  I'll remember that for next time.

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- Original Message - 
From: "Patrick Leary" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 9:55 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Letter to my senators


> Marlon,
>
> I think it would have more impact if you started it with the following:
> "As a small business owner..."
>
>
> Patrick Leary
> Aperto Networks
> 813.426.4230 mobile
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
> Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 7:38 AM
> To: wireless@wispa.org
> Cc: w...@part-15.org; isp-wirel...@isp-wireless.com
> Subject: [WISPA] Letter to my senators
>
> Hi All,
>
> Here is the letter that I sent to my senators this am:
> Dear Senator Cantwell,
>
>
>
>Please vote no on the stimulus bill.  As written this bill
> seems set to mainly put pork barrel money into the hands of the large
> companies who's misuse of investment funds clearly led to the current
> market crash.
>
>
>
>Giving more of MY money to the liars, cheats, and thieves on
> Wall Street will do NOTHING to make me turn loose of the hard earned
> money that I get to keep.
>
>
>
>Please keep in mind that no company is too large to fail.
> If they screw up they deserve to fail.  That is the only way that new,
> creative enterprises can ever get started.
>
>
>
>The current mess we are in has far more to do with my
> confidence as a consumer than anything else.  I'll be paying off debt,
> building a cash reserve and doing without some of the nice things I'd
> like to have.  In a year or two I'll likely start spending money on
> fluff again.
>
>
>
>Then again, if I have to worry about paying off a greatly
> increased government debt (or my grandkids having to pay it back) I'll
> hold on to every cent I can for as long as I can so that my family does
> not end up in even worse shape a generation or two down the road.
>
>
>
>Again, please stop the madness!  Don't rush into a trillion
> dollar shopping spree. Vote no.
>
>
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Marlon K. Schafer
>
>
>
> To send yours is easy, click here:
>
> http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm
>
> Select your state, then click on the link.  I typed mine in word first
> so
> that I could spell check it.
>
>
>
> Once the bill passes I'll send something similar stating that they need
> to
> put the money into the engine that drives our economy not the rest of
> the
> train.  Small business makes up 95% of our economy last I knew.  (anyone
>
> have current numbers???)  So this package really needs to go to those
> small
> sub 10m per year (or is it 100m?  What is a small business?) companies
> not
> the fortune 500 or even 1000.
>
>
>
> If you don't vote you can't bitch!  Get off those lazy computer geek
> butts
> and make your voices heard!
>
>
>
> Fingers crossed,
>
> Marlon
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Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle

[Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181]

Sadly I have the inline 6 (nice smooth motor) and it's far too gutless for 
that!  grin

Probably a good thing for me though.  This is what happens when I have a rig 
that will turn the tires
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IABYPB9Yqc

grin
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To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 8:47 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle





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Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle

[Josh Luthman]

I see now.  I'm sorry you had to settle for one fully loaded.

Burn some rubber for me!

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Direct: 937-552-2343
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--- Henry Spencer


On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 11:44 AM, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 <
o...@odessaoffice.com> wrote:

> fyi, it's not a van...
>
>
> http://www.leasetrader.com/photos/actual98286/640x480/GMC-Envoy-XL-Sport-Utility.jpeg
>
> I wanted a red or blue one with a v8 (327 and those one's HAUL).  Had
> to
> settle for a completely loaded white one though.  Leather, DVD for the
> kids,
> heated seats and seat backs, blinkers on the mirrors, air ride suspension
> (this rig rides better than any car I've ever had) etc.  It's also nearly a
> foot and a half longer than the standard version.  So when you get one make
> sure you look for the one with the 3rd seat.
>
>
> http://shop.ebay.com/items/_W0QQ_dmptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories?_nkw=gmc+envoy+xl&_sacat=0&_fromfsb=&_trksid=m270.l1313&_odkw=gmc+envoy&_osacat=0
>
> These are the same thing as the Chevy Trailblazer.
>
> The XUV version looks pretty interesting too.  I ALMOST got one of them,
> didn't like the sales guy though so I walked out on the deal.
>
> http://www.familycar.com/RoadTests/GMC-XUV/Photos.htm
>
> They have some of those on ebay too:
>
> http://shop.ebay.com/items/__xuv?_trkparms=72%253A317%257C66%253A2%257C65%253A12%257C39%253A1&_dmpt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_pgn=2
>
> laters,
> Marlon
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>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Josh Luthman" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 11:13 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle
>
>
> > If we could get a van like that financed I would be in heaven - my main
> > benefit is just as you said, everything stays warm.  Steel and cold just
> > do
> > not mix.
> >
> > Josh Luthman
> > Office: 937-552-2340
> > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > 1100 Wayne St
> > Suite 1337
> > Troy, OH 45373
> >
> > Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
> > --- Henry Spencer
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 1:18 PM, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 <
> > o...@odessaoffice.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I just picked up an '04 GMC Envoy XL.  It's the one with the 3rd seat.
> >> I'm
> >> only getting 16 to 17 mpg with it but it's cheap to insure and is
> totally
> >> loaded.  It was just over $13k for a 50,000 mile rig with no real flaws.
> >> I
> >> did end up having to replace the radiator already, but that didn't show
> >> up
> >> at first.
> >>
> >> The ladder sits on top nicely and is easy to reach.  Everything else
> sits
> >> well inside.  As a bonus all of my tools etc. stay warm in the winter
> and
> >> cold in the summer.
> >>
> >> The 4 wheel drive has been really nice this winter too.
> >>
> >> Best of all?  No one else drives around with a ladder on top of one.
> >> EVERYONE knows my rig.  That alone is a nice sales too.
> >>
> >> Marlon
> >> (509) 982-2181
> >> (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
> >> 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since
> >> 1999!
> >> o...@odessaoffice.com
> >> www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
> >> www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> - Original Message -
> >> From: "Josh Luthman" 
> >> To: "WISPA General List" 
> >> Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 7:46 AM
> >> Subject: [WISPA] Service vehicle
> >>
> >>
> >> > What does everyone use for a service vehicle?  We have an 1999 f250
> >> > that is at the end of it's road.  It has the cabinets and ladder racks
> >> > to put al our stuff in.
> >> >
> >> > Our tower climber for those picky tower owners has a brand new Dodge.
> >> > If you haven't seen these check them out.  If we could afford these I
> >> > wouldn't be asking :(
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Josh Luthman
> >> > Office: 937-552-2340
> >> > Direct: 937-552-2343
> >> > 1100 Wayne St
> >> > Suite 1337
> >> > Troy, OH 45373
> >> >
> >> > Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
> >> > --- Henry Spencer
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> 
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Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle

[Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181]

fyi, it's not a van...

http://www.leasetrader.com/photos/actual98286/640x480/GMC-Envoy-XL-Sport-Utility.jpeg

I wanted a red or blue one with a v8 (327 and those one's HAUL).  Had to 
settle for a completely loaded white one though.  Leather, DVD for the kids, 
heated seats and seat backs, blinkers on the mirrors, air ride suspension 
(this rig rides better than any car I've ever had) etc.  It's also nearly a 
foot and a half longer than the standard version.  So when you get one make 
sure you look for the one with the 3rd seat.

http://shop.ebay.com/items/_W0QQ_dmptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories?_nkw=gmc+envoy+xl&_sacat=0&_fromfsb=&_trksid=m270.l1313&_odkw=gmc+envoy&_osacat=0

These are the same thing as the Chevy Trailblazer.

The XUV version looks pretty interesting too.  I ALMOST got one of them, 
didn't like the sales guy though so I walked out on the deal.

http://www.familycar.com/RoadTests/GMC-XUV/Photos.htm

They have some of those on ebay too:
http://shop.ebay.com/items/__xuv?_trkparms=72%253A317%257C66%253A2%257C65%253A12%257C39%253A1&_dmpt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_pgn=2

laters,
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- Original Message - 
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 11:13 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Service vehicle


> If we could get a van like that financed I would be in heaven - my main
> benefit is just as you said, everything stays warm.  Steel and cold just 
> do
> not mix.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
> --- Henry Spencer
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 1:18 PM, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 <
> o...@odessaoffice.com> wrote:
>
>> I just picked up an '04 GMC Envoy XL.  It's the one with the 3rd seat. 
>> I'm
>> only getting 16 to 17 mpg with it but it's cheap to insure and is totally
>> loaded.  It was just over $13k for a 50,000 mile rig with no real flaws. 
>> I
>> did end up having to replace the radiator already, but that didn't show 
>> up
>> at first.
>>
>> The ladder sits on top nicely and is easy to reach.  Everything else sits
>> well inside.  As a bonus all of my tools etc. stay warm in the winter and
>> cold in the summer.
>>
>> The 4 wheel drive has been really nice this winter too.
>>
>> Best of all?  No one else drives around with a ladder on top of one.
>> EVERYONE knows my rig.  That alone is a nice sales too.
>>
>> Marlon
>> (509) 982-2181
>> (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services
>> 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 
>> 1999!
>> o...@odessaoffice.com
>> www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
>> www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam
>>
>>
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Josh Luthman" 
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 7:46 AM
>> Subject: [WISPA] Service vehicle
>>
>>
>> > What does everyone use for a service vehicle?  We have an 1999 f250
>> > that is at the end of it's road.  It has the cabinets and ladder racks
>> > to put al our stuff in.
>> >
>> > Our tower climber for those picky tower owners has a brand new Dodge.
>> > If you haven't seen these check them out.  If we could afford these I
>> > wouldn't be asking :(
>> >
>> > --
>> > Josh Luthman
>> > Office: 937-552-2340
>> > Direct: 937-552-2343
>> > 1100 Wayne St
>> > Suite 1337
>> > Troy, OH 45373
>> >
>> > Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.
>> > --- Henry Spencer
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> 
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Re: [WISPA] WikiLeaks Document Release

[CHUCK PROFITO]

The web addy is on the cover page http://wikileaks.org 

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-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Adam Greene
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 6:19 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] WikiLeaks Document Release

Huh ... interesting. I wonder if something similar exists for the healthcare

IT initiatives coming down the pike ..

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Subject: Fw: [WISPA] WikiLeaks Document Release


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> - Original Message - 
> From: "Chuck Profito" 
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> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 10:15 PM
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>
>> Pdf attached
>>
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] 3.65ghz sector

[Kevin Suitor]

Mti wireless edge or European antennas both have good quality sectors;
mti has a cosecant squared version that proves superior coverage in our
testing

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2009 12:12 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3.65ghz sector

 

I was :)

Travis


Mike Hammett wrote: 

I thought you were talking antenna, not radio.
 
 
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From: "Travis Johnson"   
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 10:43 PM
To: 
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Subject: [WISPA] 3.65ghz sector
 
  

Hi,
 
Any suggestions for a 3.65ghz sector? Need 60-90 degrees and
something
affordable.
 
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Re: [WISPA] WikiLeaks Document Release

[Adam Greene]

Huh ... interesting. I wonder if something similar exists for the healthcare 
IT initiatives coming down the pike ..

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To: 
Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2009 9:03 AM
Subject: Fw: [WISPA] WikiLeaks Document Release


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> From: "Chuck Profito" 
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> Sent: Monday, February 09, 2009 10:15 PM
> Subject: [WISPA] WikiLeaks Document Release
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>
>> Pdf attached
>>
>
>
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[WISPA] Cacti templates for Bridgewave?

[Rogelio]

Does anyone have any Cacti templates for Bridgewave's product line that 
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Re: [WISPA] NWR:cellular phone question

[jree...@18-30chat.net]

In addition to unlocking it, you flash it to recover locked features. If
you have a free and clear phone its easy enough
to get them unlocked. Flashing a phone can be a pain, mostly in finding
a flash that is not also locked or that has the
features that you want. Most phone manufactures are not releasing
unbranded flash packs for phones that have been
sold to only one cell co.

John Valenti wrote:
> Like Jack suggests, you really need to check with Verizon.
>
> I'm pretty sure there might be potential features that Sprint has  
> turned on for that phone, that would prevent Verizon from working with  
> it.  For instance, I had an older Verizon phone that didn't include  
> location features and Verizon refused to turn it on.  (even though the  
> phone I was using was even older and didn't include location tracking  
> either)
>
> Eighteen months ago Verizon said they were moving to a more open  
> system, but I don't think they have moved very far in that direction  
> yet.
>
>
> On Feb 9, 2009, at 2:53 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
>   
>> Same band means yes.  Just unlock the phone.
>>
>> On 2/9/09, Jack Unger  wrote:
>> 
>>> Why not ask Verizon?
>>>
>>> w...@aol.com wrote:
>>>   
 Anyone know if you can take a Sprint cdma phone and have Verizon  
 activate
 it
 for use on their cdma system?

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Re: [WISPA] AP using Mikrotik Routerboard

[os10rules]

Can you tell me which in radio Ethernet protectors you use? Thanks!

Greg

On Feb 10, 2009, at 1:04 AM, Dennis Burgess - LinkTechs wrote:

> Not wishing to say anyone does a better job or worse.  One of the
> biggest mistakes I have seen is the plastic standoffs.  Not only do  
> they
> fail, but they are not grounding the board typically!  I see lots of
> people using the little 1/2 moon power injectors.  They are super  
> cheap,
> and by the way, they are super cheap.  We use POE with Surge  
> Suppression
> Injectors.   You would be surprised how often they protect gear.
>
> We have in radio Ethernet surge units as well.  we have got units back
> with this ethernet surge unit melted down to goo..  ya goo.  Unplugged
> it, and plugged the radio right into the POE, well a new one, and  
> bingo
> powers right back on!
>
> All of these things along with the build quality.  If you get free
> builds, that don't mean its good or proper, if you pay for your  
> builds,
> same difference.  compare everyone!
>
> --
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> WISPA Board Member - wispa.org 
> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services*
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> /*
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman wrote:
>> My experiences say don't use Streakwave
>>
>> On 2/9/09, Scott Reed  wrote:
>>
>>> Streakwave and Quicklink wireless both do.  I have good results with
>>> both of them as well as Wisp-Router.
>>>
>>> Phil Curnutt wrote:
>>>
 Does anyone produce a complete Mikrotik Routerboard Access  
 Point-  ie.-
 routerboard, radio cards, pigtails, enclosure etc.?

 Phil


 
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