Re: [WISPA] Customer to Bandwidth Ratio
We monitor our bandwidth usage and when we are consistently hitting about 80% we look to upgrade bandwidth. -Kevin On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 8:03 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: I'm sure this has been asked before but what ratio are some of you using for customer vs. available bandwidth? We aren't experiencing any problems at the moment but I want to know when we should start looking to add capacity. Our competitor is running 20 up and 20 down but has 500+ customers on it and if I do a speed test the pings are fast, 32 or so, but it's really jerky on the download and uploads. So.. What is a good REAL WORLD ratio that you use that is smooth? Thanks! Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Customer to Bandwidth Ratio
We have approximately 1200 customers and over 150MBit of available BW, peaking at around 35-40MB. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 10:03 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Customer to Bandwidth Ratio I'm sure this has been asked before but what ratio are some of you using for customer vs. available bandwidth? We aren't experiencing any problems at the moment but I want to know when we should start looking to add capacity. Our competitor is running 20 up and 20 down but has 500+ customers on it and if I do a speed test the pings are fast, 32 or so, but it's really jerky on the download and uploads. So.. What is a good REAL WORLD ratio that you use that is smooth? Thanks! Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Comet Antennas
I was looking for a decent 2.4GHz Omni for some small AP's I'm in the process of setting up in our outlying areas with low population density and came across these Comet antennas over at wlanparts. Has anyone had any experience with these? At a little over 100 bucks, worth it or not? Price doesn't always reflect quality, as has been shown with the Wifi+ antennas at least from MY experience, any better alternatives for an inexpensive, quality Omni? Reason for using the Omni, I've been setting up small AP's with a 411AH with one MT R52N card for the customer side and a Bullet 5HP on a PAC Wireless grid for the backhaul. The Omni lets me connect the site owner to the network, at least, and some of their neighbors. I'll upgrade to sector antennas and add 2 more MT cards once the interest is there. The Omni lets me set it up an AP for less than 400 bucks plus the cost of a NS2 for the site owner's house. Been using cheap Pac Wireless Omni's but if I could pay a small bit more for a little more reach, all the good! Thanks! Bob- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] UBNT AirMax World Conference
Okay, so I got an email from UBNT about the AirMax World Conference in Chicago. The bait is a FREE Rocket5 for EVERYONE who attends?? Of course the small print, *While supplies last, we will try to make sure all registered attendees receive one I'm still waiting for my free shirt, by the way, and it's only been a year. Anyhow, if we are to get a free RocketM5, which looks to retail at around 89 bucks per, and one goes to EVERY attendee, not to every company represented, I think I'm taking the family on vacation to Chicago. I'm sure the kids can sit through all the technical mumbo-jumbo yackety-yack, as well as any friends they want to bring along. My parents haven't been anywhere for awhile... I could possibly invite maybe the drive thru window person at McDonalds to come along.. I could pull people off the street, maybe, pay them 10 bucks to come inside... The possibilities are endless! Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. Sent from my PC because I don't own a BlackBerry and not one handed because I type with two fingers. (It's Saturday) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] UBNT AirMax World Conference
You can get round-trip airfare and hotel accomodations to Chicago for less than $89/pp? On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 9:01 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Okay, so I got an email from UBNT about the AirMax World Conference in Chicago. The bait is a FREE Rocket5 for EVERYONE who attends?? Of course the small print, *While supplies last, we will try to make sure all registered attendees receive one I'm still waiting for my free shirt, by the way, and it's only been a year. Anyhow, if we are to get a free RocketM5, which looks to retail at around 89 bucks per, and one goes to EVERY attendee, not to every company represented, I think I'm taking the family on vacation to Chicago. I'm sure the kids can sit through all the technical mumbo-jumbo yackety-yack, as well as any friends they want to bring along. My parents haven't been anywhere for awhile... I could possibly invite maybe the drive thru window person at McDonalds to come along.. I could pull people off the street, maybe, pay them 10 bucks to come inside... The possibilities are endless! Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. Sent from my PC because I don't own a BlackBerry and not one handed because I type with two fingers. (It's Saturday) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] UBNT AirMax World Conference
Hey, it's only a 5 hour drive for me! Gotta get out the calculator... 22 miles a gallon, 692 miles round trip, gas 2.50 gallon, 78 bucks in gas, already 10 buck profit. (Not counting for the extra weight from the humans packed like cattle into my mini-van) Gotta feed em', sadly Say, 100 bucks in food for the day, the PIGS, dipping into my profit.. The 99 cents for a cheeseburger at McDonalds to ask the drive thru person to come along.. The 10 dollar bills to pass out on the sidewalk to coerce passersby to come inside is variable. It's workable. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jayson Baker Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 11:07 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT AirMax World Conference You can get round-trip airfare and hotel accomodations to Chicago for less than $89/pp? On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 9:01 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Okay, so I got an email from UBNT about the AirMax World Conference in Chicago. The bait is a FREE Rocket5 for EVERYONE who attends?? Of course the small print, *While supplies last, we will try to make sure all registered attendees receive one I'm still waiting for my free shirt, by the way, and it's only been a year. Anyhow, if we are to get a free RocketM5, which looks to retail at around 89 bucks per, and one goes to EVERY attendee, not to every company represented, I think I'm taking the family on vacation to Chicago. I'm sure the kids can sit through all the technical mumbo-jumbo yackety-yack, as well as any friends they want to bring along. My parents haven't been anywhere for awhile... I could possibly invite maybe the drive thru window person at McDonalds to come along.. I could pull people off the street, maybe, pay them 10 bucks to come inside... The possibilities are endless! Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. Sent from my PC because I don't own a BlackBerry and not one handed because I type with two fingers. (It's Saturday) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Customer to Bandwidth Ratio
It's going to be different ratios with the different bandwidth packages and what your customer base is. 100 farmers bandwidth is the same as 1 wow player for example. On 9/12/09, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: We have approximately 1200 customers and over 150MBit of available BW, peaking at around 35-40MB. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 10:03 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Customer to Bandwidth Ratio I'm sure this has been asked before but what ratio are some of you using for customer vs. available bandwidth? We aren't experiencing any problems at the moment but I want to know when we should start looking to add capacity. Our competitor is running 20 up and 20 down but has 500+ customers on it and if I do a speed test the pings are fast, 32 or so, but it's really jerky on the download and uploads. So.. What is a good REAL WORLD ratio that you use that is smooth? Thanks! Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] UBNT AirMax World Conference
LOL On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 9:27 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Hey, it's only a 5 hour drive for me! Gotta get out the calculator... 22 miles a gallon, 692 miles round trip, gas 2.50 gallon, 78 bucks in gas, already 10 buck profit. (Not counting for the extra weight from the humans packed like cattle into my mini-van) Gotta feed em', sadly Say, 100 bucks in food for the day, the PIGS, dipping into my profit.. The 99 cents for a cheeseburger at McDonalds to ask the drive thru person to come along.. The 10 dollar bills to pass out on the sidewalk to coerce passersby to come inside is variable. It's workable. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jayson Baker Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 11:07 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT AirMax World Conference You can get round-trip airfare and hotel accomodations to Chicago for less than $89/pp? On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 9:01 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Okay, so I got an email from UBNT about the AirMax World Conference in Chicago. The bait is a FREE Rocket5 for EVERYONE who attends?? Of course the small print, *While supplies last, we will try to make sure all registered attendees receive one I'm still waiting for my free shirt, by the way, and it's only been a year. Anyhow, if we are to get a free RocketM5, which looks to retail at around 89 bucks per, and one goes to EVERY attendee, not to every company represented, I think I'm taking the family on vacation to Chicago. I'm sure the kids can sit through all the technical mumbo-jumbo yackety-yack, as well as any friends they want to bring along. My parents haven't been anywhere for awhile... I could possibly invite maybe the drive thru window person at McDonalds to come along.. I could pull people off the street, maybe, pay them 10 bucks to come inside... The possibilities are endless! Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. Sent from my PC because I don't own a BlackBerry and not one handed because I type with two fingers. (It's Saturday) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] UBNT AirMax World Conference
Not to mention the fact we all expect it to be difficult to order more Ubnt gear half the time. On 9/12/09, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Hey, it's only a 5 hour drive for me! Gotta get out the calculator... 22 miles a gallon, 692 miles round trip, gas 2.50 gallon, 78 bucks in gas, already 10 buck profit. (Not counting for the extra weight from the humans packed like cattle into my mini-van) Gotta feed em', sadly Say, 100 bucks in food for the day, the PIGS, dipping into my profit.. The 99 cents for a cheeseburger at McDonalds to ask the drive thru person to come along.. The 10 dollar bills to pass out on the sidewalk to coerce passersby to come inside is variable. It's workable. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jayson Baker Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 11:07 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT AirMax World Conference You can get round-trip airfare and hotel accomodations to Chicago for less than $89/pp? On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 9:01 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Okay, so I got an email from UBNT about the AirMax World Conference in Chicago. The bait is a FREE Rocket5 for EVERYONE who attends?? Of course the small print, *While supplies last, we will try to make sure all registered attendees receive one I'm still waiting for my free shirt, by the way, and it's only been a year. Anyhow, if we are to get a free RocketM5, which looks to retail at around 89 bucks per, and one goes to EVERY attendee, not to every company represented, I think I'm taking the family on vacation to Chicago. I'm sure the kids can sit through all the technical mumbo-jumbo yackety-yack, as well as any friends they want to bring along. My parents haven't been anywhere for awhile... I could possibly invite maybe the drive thru window person at McDonalds to come along.. I could pull people off the street, maybe, pay them 10 bucks to come inside... The possibilities are endless! Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. Sent from my PC because I don't own a BlackBerry and not one handed because I type with two fingers. (It's Saturday) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] UBNT AirMax World Conference
Maybe I could put something up on Craig's List in Chicago and gather up, say, 200 people. Fill the hall with warm bodies who have no interest in UBNT all for the sake of my greedy motivation. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 11:35 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT AirMax World Conference Not to mention the fact we all expect it to be difficult to order more Ubnt gear half the time. On 9/12/09, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Hey, it's only a 5 hour drive for me! Gotta get out the calculator... 22 miles a gallon, 692 miles round trip, gas 2.50 gallon, 78 bucks in gas, already 10 buck profit. (Not counting for the extra weight from the humans packed like cattle into my mini-van) Gotta feed em', sadly Say, 100 bucks in food for the day, the PIGS, dipping into my profit.. The 99 cents for a cheeseburger at McDonalds to ask the drive thru person to come along.. The 10 dollar bills to pass out on the sidewalk to coerce passersby to come inside is variable. It's workable. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jayson Baker Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 11:07 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] UBNT AirMax World Conference You can get round-trip airfare and hotel accomodations to Chicago for less than $89/pp? On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 9:01 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Okay, so I got an email from UBNT about the AirMax World Conference in Chicago. The bait is a FREE Rocket5 for EVERYONE who attends?? Of course the small print, *While supplies last, we will try to make sure all registered attendees receive one I'm still waiting for my free shirt, by the way, and it's only been a year. Anyhow, if we are to get a free RocketM5, which looks to retail at around 89 bucks per, and one goes to EVERY attendee, not to every company represented, I think I'm taking the family on vacation to Chicago. I'm sure the kids can sit through all the technical mumbo-jumbo yackety-yack, as well as any friends they want to bring along. My parents haven't been anywhere for awhile... I could possibly invite maybe the drive thru window person at McDonalds to come along.. I could pull people off the street, maybe, pay them 10 bucks to come inside... The possibilities are endless! Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. Sent from my PC because I don't own a BlackBerry and not one handed because I type with two fingers. (It's Saturday) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Customer to Bandwidth Ratio
We found a few years back that 40 CPE's/Mb was pushing the limit, but that was before Video streaming, Voip, Utube, Facebook, MySpace, etc. We have 340 CPE's using DS-3 fiber and peak at around 17 Mbps in the afternoon when everyone gets home from work. Phil On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 9:31 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: It's going to be different ratios with the different bandwidth packages and what your customer base is. 100 farmers bandwidth is the same as 1 wow player for example. On 9/12/09, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: We have approximately 1200 customers and over 150MBit of available BW, peaking at around 35-40MB. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 10:03 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Customer to Bandwidth Ratio I'm sure this has been asked before but what ratio are some of you using for customer vs. available bandwidth? We aren't experiencing any problems at the moment but I want to know when we should start looking to add capacity. Our competitor is running 20 up and 20 down but has 500+ customers on it and if I do a speed test the pings are fast, 32 or so, but it's really jerky on the download and uploads. So.. What is a good REAL WORLD ratio that you use that is smooth? Thanks! Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Vendors eating their dogfood (was Re: Which WiMAX Are You?)
Those marketing photos sure look pretty though. They might also explain why I keep seeing installs done just like the pictures. I had a bit of an argument a few weeks ago on the UBNT forums with some folks defending using indoor patch cable outside and not wrapping connectors. It started with someone complaining to UBNT that the patch cable boots wouldn't fit inside the bullet caps. (The answer from UBNT was that it was a tradeoff in the design...???) Silly me, I said they were supposed to be used with outdoor shielded cable, not patch with the boots. You wouldn't believe how many negative comments came from that. Pictures of nice pretty blue PVC patch cables and bright shiny connectors. And now there is an army of installers following these lies. We use outdoor, flooded cable with the static drain wire to an outdoor shielded connector. All connections wrapped. It's not as pretty but I don't work for Apple so I just care about it being functional and trouble free. I would be more attracted to a photo of equipment with a correct install. They are marketing to professionals, after all, and when I see one of these photos, I'm like you and are too busy being distracted by the things that are wrong. On Sep 10, 2009, at 11:42 AM, jp wrote: Sidepoint Some of the wireless equipment vendors would likely create a superior product faster if they ran a modest sustainable WISP just big enough for real world product testing. Too often we see marketing photos of gear installed outdoors with shiny bare N connectors, indoor unshielded cat5 on the pole, etc... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] wind jammer communications
The thing with windjammer is they are still in business and still serving areas. It was only eary in the year decided they would not be upgrading the rural areas to handle the dtv transition. So the dead areas have only been dead for 6 months or so. There should be no back rent on the poles etc... John - Original Message - From: jree...@18-30chat.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 10:07:38 PM GMT -05:00 Columbia Subject: Re: [WISPA] wind jammer communications My experience is pretty much the same. I tried to buy a dozen sites and they ripped the cable out making them worthless. I did not even need/want the amps/splitters and such, just the coax on the poles. Blake Bowers wrote: We have bought a number of rural cable systems, and almost every one was gutted, and the cable plant in almost total disarray when sold. It is certainly worth a call - but the attachment fees we found being charged, (And often not paid for the past couple of years, leaving an electric company trying to get paid from whoever purchased it) were for the most part outrageous. You may have better luck. http://www.windjammercable.com Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: sa...@michianawireless.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 3:07 PM Subject: [WISPA] wind jammer communications During our pole route scouting a route that we submitted to the electric company came back listing windjammer as being on the poles we are wanting to get on in a rural area. I looked and it seems windjammer ceased providing services in these and alot of other rural areas at the time of the digital transition. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- John Buwa Michiana Wireless Phone: 574-233-7170 http://www.michianawireless.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Vendors eating their dogfood (was Re: Which WiMAX Are You?)
Nice pretty and shiny PVC makes for a better picture in a variety of colors! All the outdoor shielded cable we've ever purchased is a boring flat black. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 12:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vendors eating their dogfood (was Re: Which WiMAX Are You?) Wait why would patch cables look better then shielded cable and connectors..? On 9/12/09, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Those marketing photos sure look pretty though. They might also explain why I keep seeing installs done just like the pictures. I had a bit of an argument a few weeks ago on the UBNT forums with some folks defending using indoor patch cable outside and not wrapping connectors. It started with someone complaining to UBNT that the patch cable boots wouldn't fit inside the bullet caps. (The answer from UBNT was that it was a tradeoff in the design...???) Silly me, I said they were supposed to be used with outdoor shielded cable, not patch with the boots. You wouldn't believe how many negative comments came from that. Pictures of nice pretty blue PVC patch cables and bright shiny connectors. And now there is an army of installers following these lies. We use outdoor, flooded cable with the static drain wire to an outdoor shielded connector. All connections wrapped. It's not as pretty but I don't work for Apple so I just care about it being functional and trouble free. I would be more attracted to a photo of equipment with a correct install. They are marketing to professionals, after all, and when I see one of these photos, I'm like you and are too busy being distracted by the things that are wrong. On Sep 10, 2009, at 11:42 AM, jp wrote: Sidepoint Some of the wireless equipment vendors would likely create a superior product faster if they ran a modest sustainable WISP just big enough for real world product testing. Too often we see marketing photos of gear installed outdoors with shiny bare N connectors, indoor unshielded cat5 on the pole, etc... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Vendors eating their dogfood (was Re: Which WiMAX Are You?)
As opposed to pretty rainbow colors? On 9/12/09, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Nice pretty and shiny PVC makes for a better picture in a variety of colors! All the outdoor shielded cable we've ever purchased is a boring flat black. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 12:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vendors eating their dogfood (was Re: Which WiMAX Are You?) Wait why would patch cables look better then shielded cable and connectors..? On 9/12/09, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Those marketing photos sure look pretty though. They might also explain why I keep seeing installs done just like the pictures. I had a bit of an argument a few weeks ago on the UBNT forums with some folks defending using indoor patch cable outside and not wrapping connectors. It started with someone complaining to UBNT that the patch cable boots wouldn't fit inside the bullet caps. (The answer from UBNT was that it was a tradeoff in the design...???) Silly me, I said they were supposed to be used with outdoor shielded cable, not patch with the boots. You wouldn't believe how many negative comments came from that. Pictures of nice pretty blue PVC patch cables and bright shiny connectors. And now there is an army of installers following these lies. We use outdoor, flooded cable with the static drain wire to an outdoor shielded connector. All connections wrapped. It's not as pretty but I don't work for Apple so I just care about it being functional and trouble free. I would be more attracted to a photo of equipment with a correct install. They are marketing to professionals, after all, and when I see one of these photos, I'm like you and are too busy being distracted by the things that are wrong. On Sep 10, 2009, at 11:42 AM, jp wrote: Sidepoint Some of the wireless equipment vendors would likely create a superior product faster if they ran a modest sustainable WISP just big enough for real world product testing. Too often we see marketing photos of gear installed outdoors with shiny bare N connectors, indoor unshielded cat5 on the pole, etc... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Vendors eating their dogfood (was Re: Which WiMAX Are You?)
Yep. I'll take a boring flat black shielded cable over a pretty indoor patch cable anytime for an outdoor install. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 12:51 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vendors eating their dogfood (was Re: Which WiMAX Are You?) As opposed to pretty rainbow colors? On 9/12/09, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Nice pretty and shiny PVC makes for a better picture in a variety of colors! All the outdoor shielded cable we've ever purchased is a boring flat black. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 12:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vendors eating their dogfood (was Re: Which WiMAX Are You?) Wait why would patch cables look better then shielded cable and connectors..? On 9/12/09, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Those marketing photos sure look pretty though. They might also explain why I keep seeing installs done just like the pictures. I had a bit of an argument a few weeks ago on the UBNT forums with some folks defending using indoor patch cable outside and not wrapping connectors. It started with someone complaining to UBNT that the patch cable boots wouldn't fit inside the bullet caps. (The answer from UBNT was that it was a tradeoff in the design...???) Silly me, I said they were supposed to be used with outdoor shielded cable, not patch with the boots. You wouldn't believe how many negative comments came from that. Pictures of nice pretty blue PVC patch cables and bright shiny connectors. And now there is an army of installers following these lies. We use outdoor, flooded cable with the static drain wire to an outdoor shielded connector. All connections wrapped. It's not as pretty but I don't work for Apple so I just care about it being functional and trouble free. I would be more attracted to a photo of equipment with a correct install. They are marketing to professionals, after all, and when I see one of these photos, I'm like you and are too busy being distracted by the things that are wrong. On Sep 10, 2009, at 11:42 AM, jp wrote: Sidepoint Some of the wireless equipment vendors would likely create a superior product faster if they ran a modest sustainable WISP just big enough for real world product testing. Too often we see marketing photos of gear installed outdoors with shiny bare N connectors, indoor unshielded cat5 on the pole, etc... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA
Re: [WISPA] Vendors eating their dogfood (was Re: Which WiMAX Are You?)
I use black as well. It has worked for me. Belden branded and a spooled. On 9/12/09, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Yep. I'll take a boring flat black shielded cable over a pretty indoor patch cable anytime for an outdoor install. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 12:51 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vendors eating their dogfood (was Re: Which WiMAX Are You?) As opposed to pretty rainbow colors? On 9/12/09, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Nice pretty and shiny PVC makes for a better picture in a variety of colors! All the outdoor shielded cable we've ever purchased is a boring flat black. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 12:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vendors eating their dogfood (was Re: Which WiMAX Are You?) Wait why would patch cables look better then shielded cable and connectors..? On 9/12/09, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Those marketing photos sure look pretty though. They might also explain why I keep seeing installs done just like the pictures. I had a bit of an argument a few weeks ago on the UBNT forums with some folks defending using indoor patch cable outside and not wrapping connectors. It started with someone complaining to UBNT that the patch cable boots wouldn't fit inside the bullet caps. (The answer from UBNT was that it was a tradeoff in the design...???) Silly me, I said they were supposed to be used with outdoor shielded cable, not patch with the boots. You wouldn't believe how many negative comments came from that. Pictures of nice pretty blue PVC patch cables and bright shiny connectors. And now there is an army of installers following these lies. We use outdoor, flooded cable with the static drain wire to an outdoor shielded connector. All connections wrapped. It's not as pretty but I don't work for Apple so I just care about it being functional and trouble free. I would be more attracted to a photo of equipment with a correct install. They are marketing to professionals, after all, and when I see one of these photos, I'm like you and are too busy being distracted by the things that are wrong. On Sep 10, 2009, at 11:42 AM, jp wrote: Sidepoint Some of the wireless equipment vendors would likely create a superior product faster if they ran a modest sustainable WISP just big enough for real world product testing. Too often we see marketing photos of gear installed outdoors with shiny bare N connectors, indoor unshielded cat5 on the pole, etc... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle
Re: [WISPA] Comet Antennas
What are Comet's prices relative to Pac's (similar products)? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 10:31 AM, 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net wrote: Robert, I strongly recommend Comet antennas... in 2.4GHz it is the only omni I typically recommend. Just had a customer swap out some Pac Omni's for Comet ones and he told me he saw an across the boards performance increase. My own limited testing in our old WISP showed them to outperform the Pac's we had elsewhere. I personally generally recommend the GP-24-3... which is 12dBi with 3 degrees of downtilt Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 8:23 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Comet Antennas I was looking for a decent 2.4GHz Omni for some small AP's I'm in the process of setting up in our outlying areas with low population density and came across these Comet antennas over at wlanparts. Has anyone had any experience with these? At a little over 100 bucks, worth it or not? Price doesn't always reflect quality, as has been shown with the Wifi+ antennas at least from MY experience, any better alternatives for an inexpensive, quality Omni? Reason for using the Omni, I've been setting up small AP's with a 411AH with one MT R52N card for the customer side and a Bullet 5HP on a PAC Wireless grid for the backhaul. The Omni lets me connect the site owner to the network, at least, and some of their neighbors. I'll upgrade to sector antennas and add 2 more MT cards once the interest is there. The Omni lets me set it up an AP for less than 400 bucks plus the cost of a NS2 for the site owner's house. Been using cheap Pac Wireless Omni's but if I could pay a small bit more for a little more reach, all the good! Thanks! Bob- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Comet Antennas
The OD24-12 has 3deg electric down tilt as well. /Eje Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net Date: Sat, 12 Sep 2009 12:59:08 To: 'WISPA General List'wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comet Antennas The GP-24-3 street price costs about double than the OD24-12... but you do get 3 degrees of electrical downtilt Comet is going to probably be more expensive across the board Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 12:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comet Antennas What are Comet's prices relative to Pac's (similar products)? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 10:31 AM, 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net wrote: Robert, I strongly recommend Comet antennas... in 2.4GHz it is the only omni I typically recommend. Just had a customer swap out some Pac Omni's for Comet ones and he told me he saw an across the boards performance increase. My own limited testing in our old WISP showed them to outperform the Pac's we had elsewhere. I personally generally recommend the GP-24-3... which is 12dBi with 3 degrees of downtilt Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 8:23 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Comet Antennas I was looking for a decent 2.4GHz Omni for some small AP's I'm in the process of setting up in our outlying areas with low population density and came across these Comet antennas over at wlanparts. Has anyone had any experience with these? At a little over 100 bucks, worth it or not? Price doesn't always reflect quality, as has been shown with the Wifi+ antennas at least from MY experience, any better alternatives for an inexpensive, quality Omni? Reason for using the Omni, I've been setting up small AP's with a 411AH with one MT R52N card for the customer side and a Bullet 5HP on a PAC Wireless grid for the backhaul. The Omni lets me connect the site owner to the network, at least, and some of their neighbors. I'll upgrade to sector antennas and add 2 more MT cards once the interest is there. The Omni lets me set it up an AP for less than 400 bucks plus the cost of a NS2 for the site owner's house. Been using cheap Pac Wireless Omni's but if I could pay a small bit more for a little more reach, all the good! Thanks! Bob- - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Comet Antennas
I've been using the Pac OD24-12 and they have the 3 degree downtilt but the reach isn't very far which is okay for what I've been doing with them. The price is around 60 to 65 bucks for the pac wireless. The comets seem to be around $105 but if 40 bucks more gave me an extra half mile or more, that would pay for it easily. My use of it is just to gather enough generated income to justify the investment in good sectors and move the omni to the next cheapo AP. I'll try one out with an existing AP we have and see what sort of difference we get and possibly get a few more if the specs work out. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of 3-dB Networks Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 2:59 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comet Antennas The GP-24-3 street price costs about double than the OD24-12... but you do get 3 degrees of electrical downtilt Comet is going to probably be more expensive across the board Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 12:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Comet Antennas What are Comet's prices relative to Pac's (similar products)? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 10:31 AM, 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net wrote: Robert, I strongly recommend Comet antennas... in 2.4GHz it is the only omni I typically recommend. Just had a customer swap out some Pac Omni's for Comet ones and he told me he saw an across the boards performance increase. My own limited testing in our old WISP showed them to outperform the Pac's we had elsewhere. I personally generally recommend the GP-24-3... which is 12dBi with 3 degrees of downtilt Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 8:23 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Comet Antennas I was looking for a decent 2.4GHz Omni for some small AP's I'm in the process of setting up in our outlying areas with low population density and came across these Comet antennas over at wlanparts. Has anyone had any experience with these? At a little over 100 bucks, worth it or not? Price doesn't always reflect quality, as has been shown with the Wifi+ antennas at least from MY experience, any better alternatives for an inexpensive, quality Omni? Reason for using the Omni, I've been setting up small AP's with a 411AH with one MT R52N card for the customer side and a Bullet 5HP on a PAC Wireless grid for the backhaul. The Omni lets me connect the site owner to the network, at least, and some of their neighbors. I'll upgrade to sector antennas and add 2 more MT cards once the interest is there. The Omni lets me set it up an AP for less than 400 bucks plus the cost of a NS2 for the site owner's house. Been using cheap Pac Wireless Omni's but if I could pay a small bit more for a little more reach, all the good! Thanks! Bob- - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
Re: [WISPA] UBNT AirMax World Conference
I got my shirt a while back and I was already registered when I found out they were handing out Rocket5s. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 10:01 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] UBNT AirMax World Conference Okay, so I got an email from UBNT about the AirMax World Conference in Chicago. The bait is a FREE Rocket5 for EVERYONE who attends?? Of course the small print, *While supplies last, we will try to make sure all registered attendees receive one I'm still waiting for my free shirt, by the way, and it's only been a year. Anyhow, if we are to get a free RocketM5, which looks to retail at around 89 bucks per, and one goes to EVERY attendee, not to every company represented, I think I'm taking the family on vacation to Chicago. I'm sure the kids can sit through all the technical mumbo-jumbo yackety-yack, as well as any friends they want to bring along. My parents haven't been anywhere for awhile... I could possibly invite maybe the drive thru window person at McDonalds to come along.. I could pull people off the street, maybe, pay them 10 bucks to come inside... The possibilities are endless! Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. Sent from my PC because I don't own a BlackBerry and not one handed because I type with two fingers. (It's Saturday) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Customer to Bandwidth Ratio
You have different farmers than I do. My biggest user is a farmer... then again, it's also my family. ;-) My only WoW player is also a farmer, sooo. :-p - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 10:31 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Customer to Bandwidth Ratio It's going to be different ratios with the different bandwidth packages and what your customer base is. 100 farmers bandwidth is the same as 1 wow player for example. On 9/12/09, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: We have approximately 1200 customers and over 150MBit of available BW, peaking at around 35-40MB. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 10:03 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Customer to Bandwidth Ratio I'm sure this has been asked before but what ratio are some of you using for customer vs. available bandwidth? We aren't experiencing any problems at the moment but I want to know when we should start looking to add capacity. Our competitor is running 20 up and 20 down but has 500+ customers on it and if I do a speed test the pings are fast, 32 or so, but it's really jerky on the download and uploads. So.. What is a good REAL WORLD ratio that you use that is smooth? Thanks! Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Vendors eating their dogfood (was Re: Which WiMAX AreYou?)
People are using patch cords from Walmart in their WISP installs? Jeez... I use regular outdoor cable, no flooding, no shielding, just UV protected cable. It's all I normally need and I've been doing this for a few years. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 11:00 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vendors eating their dogfood (was Re: Which WiMAX AreYou?) Those marketing photos sure look pretty though. They might also explain why I keep seeing installs done just like the pictures. I had a bit of an argument a few weeks ago on the UBNT forums with some folks defending using indoor patch cable outside and not wrapping connectors. It started with someone complaining to UBNT that the patch cable boots wouldn't fit inside the bullet caps. (The answer from UBNT was that it was a tradeoff in the design...???) Silly me, I said they were supposed to be used with outdoor shielded cable, not patch with the boots. You wouldn't believe how many negative comments came from that. Pictures of nice pretty blue PVC patch cables and bright shiny connectors. And now there is an army of installers following these lies. We use outdoor, flooded cable with the static drain wire to an outdoor shielded connector. All connections wrapped. It's not as pretty but I don't work for Apple so I just care about it being functional and trouble free. I would be more attracted to a photo of equipment with a correct install. They are marketing to professionals, after all, and when I see one of these photos, I'm like you and are too busy being distracted by the things that are wrong. On Sep 10, 2009, at 11:42 AM, jp wrote: Sidepoint Some of the wireless equipment vendors would likely create a superior product faster if they ran a modest sustainable WISP just big enough for real world product testing. Too often we see marketing photos of gear installed outdoors with shiny bare N connectors, indoor unshielded cat5 on the pole, etc... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Vendors eating their dogfood (was Re: Which WiMAXAre You?)
I've had all monochrome shades between and including black and white. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 11:34 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vendors eating their dogfood (was Re: Which WiMAXAreYou?) Nice pretty and shiny PVC makes for a better picture in a variety of colors! All the outdoor shielded cable we've ever purchased is a boring flat black. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 12:12 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vendors eating their dogfood (was Re: Which WiMAX Are You?) Wait why would patch cables look better then shielded cable and connectors..? On 9/12/09, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Those marketing photos sure look pretty though. They might also explain why I keep seeing installs done just like the pictures. I had a bit of an argument a few weeks ago on the UBNT forums with some folks defending using indoor patch cable outside and not wrapping connectors. It started with someone complaining to UBNT that the patch cable boots wouldn't fit inside the bullet caps. (The answer from UBNT was that it was a tradeoff in the design...???) Silly me, I said they were supposed to be used with outdoor shielded cable, not patch with the boots. You wouldn't believe how many negative comments came from that. Pictures of nice pretty blue PVC patch cables and bright shiny connectors. And now there is an army of installers following these lies. We use outdoor, flooded cable with the static drain wire to an outdoor shielded connector. All connections wrapped. It's not as pretty but I don't work for Apple so I just care about it being functional and trouble free. I would be more attracted to a photo of equipment with a correct install. They are marketing to professionals, after all, and when I see one of these photos, I'm like you and are too busy being distracted by the things that are wrong. On Sep 10, 2009, at 11:42 AM, jp wrote: Sidepoint Some of the wireless equipment vendors would likely create a superior product faster if they ran a modest sustainable WISP just big enough for real world product testing. Too often we see marketing photos of gear installed outdoors with shiny bare N connectors, indoor unshielded cat5 on the pole, etc... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Customer to Bandwidth Ratio
Examples but you get the idea :) On 9/12/09, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: You have different farmers than I do. My biggest user is a farmer... then again, it's also my family. ;-) My only WoW player is also a farmer, sooo. :-p - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 10:31 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Customer to Bandwidth Ratio It's going to be different ratios with the different bandwidth packages and what your customer base is. 100 farmers bandwidth is the same as 1 wow player for example. On 9/12/09, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: We have approximately 1200 customers and over 150MBit of available BW, peaking at around 35-40MB. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 10:03 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Customer to Bandwidth Ratio I'm sure this has been asked before but what ratio are some of you using for customer vs. available bandwidth? We aren't experiencing any problems at the moment but I want to know when we should start looking to add capacity. Our competitor is running 20 up and 20 down but has 500+ customers on it and if I do a speed test the pings are fast, 32 or so, but it's really jerky on the download and uploads. So.. What is a good REAL WORLD ratio that you use that is smooth? Thanks! Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Customer to Bandwidth Ratio
I see you have some answers, but I think there is a piece missing from them. What is the customer bandwidth throttling you are using? Robert West wrote: I'm sure this has been asked before but what ratio are some of you using for customer vs. available bandwidth? We aren't experiencing any problems at the moment but I want to know when we should start looking to add capacity. Our competitor is running 20 up and 20 down but has 500+ customers on it and if I do a speed test the pings are fast, 32 or so, but it's really jerky on the download and uploads. So.. What is a good REAL WORLD ratio that you use that is smooth? Thanks! Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.93/2365 - Release Date: 09/12/09 06:37:00 -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Vendors eating their dogfood (was Re: Which WiMAX AreYou?)
Yep. And some are very smug about it. As if anyone using anything else is pretty darned stupid. We use the flooded and shielded just to use one cable. Had call for it a few times so we just use it always. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 5:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vendors eating their dogfood (was Re: Which WiMAX AreYou?) People are using patch cords from Walmart in their WISP installs? Jeez... I use regular outdoor cable, no flooding, no shielding, just UV protected cable. It's all I normally need and I've been doing this for a few years. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 11:00 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vendors eating their dogfood (was Re: Which WiMAX AreYou?) Those marketing photos sure look pretty though. They might also explain why I keep seeing installs done just like the pictures. I had a bit of an argument a few weeks ago on the UBNT forums with some folks defending using indoor patch cable outside and not wrapping connectors. It started with someone complaining to UBNT that the patch cable boots wouldn't fit inside the bullet caps. (The answer from UBNT was that it was a tradeoff in the design...???) Silly me, I said they were supposed to be used with outdoor shielded cable, not patch with the boots. You wouldn't believe how many negative comments came from that. Pictures of nice pretty blue PVC patch cables and bright shiny connectors. And now there is an army of installers following these lies. We use outdoor, flooded cable with the static drain wire to an outdoor shielded connector. All connections wrapped. It's not as pretty but I don't work for Apple so I just care about it being functional and trouble free. I would be more attracted to a photo of equipment with a correct install. They are marketing to professionals, after all, and when I see one of these photos, I'm like you and are too busy being distracted by the things that are wrong. On Sep 10, 2009, at 11:42 AM, jp wrote: Sidepoint Some of the wireless equipment vendors would likely create a superior product faster if they ran a modest sustainable WISP just big enough for real world product testing. Too often we see marketing photos of gear installed outdoors with shiny bare N connectors, indoor unshielded cat5 on the pole, etc... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Lowdown on Alvarion VL power injectors
What's the deal with the Alvarion power injectors? We have a shelf that appears to have a bad power supply. Do the su/b100 units power an AU? Also, are the OPS-DC power injectors universal? -- Sent from my mobile device WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] New 3650 List for WISPA Members
WISPA is opening a new 3650 listserv for all WISPA Members to use. To subscribe to the list, go to http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/3650. All WISPA members are invited to subscribe and to begin using the list to discuss the unique challenges and opportunities offered by the 3650 MHz band. Please contact me if you have any questions or suggestions or if you need assistance. Respectfully, Jack Unger (FCC Committee Chair) -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Author - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Which WiMAX Are You?
Tom, 802.16d implementations can and do support diversity antennas on the AUs. I don't know the definitive answer to the rest of the question. But I do know that: (1) Clients in 802.16e can and do support diversity (2) The clients are supposed to be interoperable (3) I know of no clients that support diversity in 802.16d So, speculatively, the point might that 802.16e clients support diversity and interoperate. You pick up at least a few db with client diversity antennas-though not nearly enough to make up for the lower power regime you have to operate in. Chuck On Sep 11, 2009, at 7:12 PM, Tom DeReggi wrote: Patrick, Always great to see your list posts filled with good info. Responses inline... The E standard does enable use of diversity, but it comes at a high cost and is of limited benefit for rural operators. The truth is that diversity is designed to increase link budgets to support self- install. Can you clarify? Are you saying D Spec does not support Diversity? Or that most D vendors focusing on price chose not to include implementation of it? Even most Wifi chipsets supports diversity. My understanding was D supported diversity, because the early Pre- Wimax Aperto supported all types of Diversity. Please clarify. I'd like to add... I'd like to see more FIXED products support Diversity at the AP. Trials have shown that Polarity diversity yielded much better results than Spacial diversity for NLOS. BUT, that data does not consider spectrum availabilty and congestion. Many Metro deployments can't afford to waste a polarity, with limited spectrum and lots of noise, and forced to abandon the idea of Polarity diversity. Spacial Diversity at teh AP is an enhancement that can be used without any trade-off other than Colo fees if can't avoid paying colo per antenna. Actually in newer MIMO designs Spacial Diversity on its own showed signficant improvements in range. This could becaome even more important in 3.65 with few channels. Basically, each standard has its place, E is for people in 2.5 GHz doing self-install, like Clearwire, and we all know the low service (especially low upstream) packages offered in Clearwire's service. D is better and cheaper for rural fixed operators, and especially for public safety video type networks and definitely for voice-centric users. D is better for enterprise, where many users sit behind the CPE. E is better for roaming individual users with modest expectations. I'd agree. And I'd agree D is most appropriate for most WISPs. I think the biggest factor in deciding though isn't technology specs? People want to pick the technology with the longest life span. Many WISPs might prefer D, but are afraid D might be discontinued sooner, since the big dollar might have followed E. Just like is happening right now. I think the number one factor that will lead WISPs to pick D is acknowledgement that Vendors understand and see the long term potential and MArket for D, so we can be confident about our vendors. So far, I think the primary vendors have done a good job showing their supprot for D. The other number 1 barrier to WiMax is price, so once again many have chosen D for price reasons. But that is a fake benefit, because technically there is no reason that E product couldn't be sold just as Cheap if it came down to it. If anything, E has the potential to drop to lower prices, because of economy of scale and diverse use for WiMax chipsets. So what I'm saying is... Wimax E is killing themselves by pricing their products to high. Right now D has the potential to regain its market share because its price advantage. However, one good way for E to protect its market share is to try and influence the discontinuation of D. Thus important to support the continued development of D. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc We'd like to hear your opinions, and if you like to discuss this with us while at 4G World, please drop me a note. Regards, Patrick Leary Aperto Networks Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Chuck Bartosch Clarity
Re: [WISPA] Which WiMAX Are You?
Heads up thread - Jack made a new list for 3.650 topics specifically. On 9/12/09, Chuck Bartosch ch...@clarityconnect.com wrote: Tom, 802.16d implementations can and do support diversity antennas on the AUs. I don't know the definitive answer to the rest of the question. But I do know that: (1) Clients in 802.16e can and do support diversity (2) The clients are supposed to be interoperable (3) I know of no clients that support diversity in 802.16d So, speculatively, the point might that 802.16e clients support diversity and interoperate. You pick up at least a few db with client diversity antennas-though not nearly enough to make up for the lower power regime you have to operate in. Chuck On Sep 11, 2009, at 7:12 PM, Tom DeReggi wrote: Patrick, Always great to see your list posts filled with good info. Responses inline... The E standard does enable use of diversity, but it comes at a high cost and is of limited benefit for rural operators. The truth is that diversity is designed to increase link budgets to support self- install. Can you clarify? Are you saying D Spec does not support Diversity? Or that most D vendors focusing on price chose not to include implementation of it? Even most Wifi chipsets supports diversity. My understanding was D supported diversity, because the early Pre- Wimax Aperto supported all types of Diversity. Please clarify. I'd like to add... I'd like to see more FIXED products support Diversity at the AP. Trials have shown that Polarity diversity yielded much better results than Spacial diversity for NLOS. BUT, that data does not consider spectrum availabilty and congestion. Many Metro deployments can't afford to waste a polarity, with limited spectrum and lots of noise, and forced to abandon the idea of Polarity diversity. Spacial Diversity at teh AP is an enhancement that can be used without any trade-off other than Colo fees if can't avoid paying colo per antenna. Actually in newer MIMO designs Spacial Diversity on its own showed signficant improvements in range. This could becaome even more important in 3.65 with few channels. Basically, each standard has its place, E is for people in 2.5 GHz doing self-install, like Clearwire, and we all know the low service (especially low upstream) packages offered in Clearwire's service. D is better and cheaper for rural fixed operators, and especially for public safety video type networks and definitely for voice-centric users. D is better for enterprise, where many users sit behind the CPE. E is better for roaming individual users with modest expectations. I'd agree. And I'd agree D is most appropriate for most WISPs. I think the biggest factor in deciding though isn't technology specs? People want to pick the technology with the longest life span. Many WISPs might prefer D, but are afraid D might be discontinued sooner, since the big dollar might have followed E. Just like is happening right now. I think the number one factor that will lead WISPs to pick D is acknowledgement that Vendors understand and see the long term potential and MArket for D, so we can be confident about our vendors. So far, I think the primary vendors have done a good job showing their supprot for D. The other number 1 barrier to WiMax is price, so once again many have chosen D for price reasons. But that is a fake benefit, because technically there is no reason that E product couldn't be sold just as Cheap if it came down to it. If anything, E has the potential to drop to lower prices, because of economy of scale and diverse use for WiMax chipsets. So what I'm saying is... Wimax E is killing themselves by pricing their products to high. Right now D has the potential to regain its market share because its price advantage. However, one good way for E to protect its market share is to try and influence the discontinuation of D. Thus important to support the continued development of D. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc We'd like to hear your opinions, and if you like to discuss this with us while at 4G World, please drop me a note. Regards, Patrick Leary Aperto Networks Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] WISPA FCC FILING re: Section 706
* Jack Unger wrote, On 9/12/2009 3:06 PM: On Friday (9/4) WISPA, with assistance from Rini/Coran, filed Comments in the FCC's Section 706 Notice of Inquiry. This NOI asked if Broadband was being deployed in a reasonable and timely fashion to all Americans. WISPA's reply answered No to this question and went on to address issues like: 1. The definition of broadband. 2. The need for the FCC to act on WISPA's TV White Space Petition for Reconsideration. 3. Affordable access to the middle mile. 4. The adequacy of broadband mapping efforts. 5. Actions to accelerate the deployment of broadband to all Americans. WISPA's filing is attached and your comments and questions are welcomed. All WISPA members who would like to participate in crafting future FCC filings are invited to join WISPA's FCC Committee. Respectfully, Jack Unger Chair - WISPA FCC Committee Hey Jack...I skimmed through the document and from what I see you did your homework. I'm printing it out for further review and passed it on to some other folks as well. Good job. Leon No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.412 / Virus Database: 270.13.94/2366 - Release Date: 09/12/09 17:50:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Which WiMAX Are You?
A members-only list, so if people don't mind to keep it going on this list instead of the closed one... Rubens On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 8:53 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Heads up thread - Jack made a new list for 3.650 topics specifically. On 9/12/09, Chuck Bartosch ch...@clarityconnect.com wrote: Tom, 802.16d implementations can and do support diversity antennas on the AUs. I don't know the definitive answer to the rest of the question. But I do know that: (1) Clients in 802.16e can and do support diversity (2) The clients are supposed to be interoperable (3) I know of no clients that support diversity in 802.16d So, speculatively, the point might that 802.16e clients support diversity and interoperate. You pick up at least a few db with client diversity antennas-though not nearly enough to make up for the lower power regime you have to operate in. Chuck On Sep 11, 2009, at 7:12 PM, Tom DeReggi wrote: Patrick, Always great to see your list posts filled with good info. Responses inline... The E standard does enable use of diversity, but it comes at a high cost and is of limited benefit for rural operators. The truth is that diversity is designed to increase link budgets to support self- install. Can you clarify? Are you saying D Spec does not support Diversity? Or that most D vendors focusing on price chose not to include implementation of it? Even most Wifi chipsets supports diversity. My understanding was D supported diversity, because the early Pre- Wimax Aperto supported all types of Diversity. Please clarify. I'd like to add... I'd like to see more FIXED products support Diversity at the AP. Trials have shown that Polarity diversity yielded much better results than Spacial diversity for NLOS. BUT, that data does not consider spectrum availabilty and congestion. Many Metro deployments can't afford to waste a polarity, with limited spectrum and lots of noise, and forced to abandon the idea of Polarity diversity. Spacial Diversity at teh AP is an enhancement that can be used without any trade-off other than Colo fees if can't avoid paying colo per antenna. Actually in newer MIMO designs Spacial Diversity on its own showed signficant improvements in range. This could becaome even more important in 3.65 with few channels. Basically, each standard has its place, E is for people in 2.5 GHz doing self-install, like Clearwire, and we all know the low service (especially low upstream) packages offered in Clearwire's service. D is better and cheaper for rural fixed operators, and especially for public safety video type networks and definitely for voice-centric users. D is better for enterprise, where many users sit behind the CPE. E is better for roaming individual users with modest expectations. I'd agree. And I'd agree D is most appropriate for most WISPs. I think the biggest factor in deciding though isn't technology specs? People want to pick the technology with the longest life span. Many WISPs might prefer D, but are afraid D might be discontinued sooner, since the big dollar might have followed E. Just like is happening right now. I think the number one factor that will lead WISPs to pick D is acknowledgement that Vendors understand and see the long term potential and MArket for D, so we can be confident about our vendors. So far, I think the primary vendors have done a good job showing their supprot for D. The other number 1 barrier to WiMax is price, so once again many have chosen D for price reasons. But that is a fake benefit, because technically there is no reason that E product couldn't be sold just as Cheap if it came down to it. If anything, E has the potential to drop to lower prices, because of economy of scale and diverse use for WiMax chipsets. So what I'm saying is... Wimax E is killing themselves by pricing their products to high. Right now D has the potential to regain its market share because its price advantage. However, one good way for E to protect its market share is to try and influence the discontinuation of D. Thus important to support the continued development of D. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc We'd like to hear your opinions, and if you like to discuss this with us while at 4G World, please drop me a note. Regards, Patrick Leary Aperto Networks Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today!
Re: [WISPA] Customer to Bandwidth Ratio
We use Cisco SCE2020s at the border. We used to roll our own but with a 10 Gig backbone at almost 40% utilization at peak time, it wasn't cost effective to try to maintain an in house solution that outside consultants couldn't support. With the SCEs, we focus on maintaining speed for browsing, email, flash video and VoIP; P2P and gaming is throttled either during peak utilization or when a user has exceeded their daily quota between noon and midnight. Purchased speeds are throttled at the CPE which reduces overall utilization on each backhaul. We're experimenting with a burstable function using the SCE, i.e. 10 meg with a burst to 20 meg; it's been questionable at best in the lab. On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 3:15 PM, Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.netwrote: I see you have some answers, but I think there is a piece missing from them. What is the customer bandwidth throttling you are using? Robert West wrote: I'm sure this has been asked before but what ratio are some of you using for customer vs. available bandwidth? We aren't experiencing any problems at the moment but I want to know when we should start looking to add capacity. Our competitor is running 20 up and 20 down but has 500+ customers on it and if I do a speed test the pings are fast, 32 or so, but it's really jerky on the download and uploads. So.. What is a good REAL WORLD ratio that you use that is smooth? Thanks! Robert West Just Micro Digital Services Inc. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.93/2365 - Release Date: 09/12/09 06:37:00 -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x4000 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Which WiMAX Are You?
Yeah, I saw that. I do have to ask why? though. I hope we don't start having separate groups for 900, for 2.4, for the 5 ghz region, etc. I understand a BTOP/BIP group and a fiber group because clearly a lot of people aren't going to be interested in those topics. But dividing groups up by wireless technology type or wireless frequency range seems cumbersome and rather unproductive. I personally would rather this kind of discussion stay where the other wireless discussions are. But maybe there's been a great outpouring of dissatisfaction with the 3.65 discussion I wasn't aware of? Chuck On Sep 12, 2009, at 7:53 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Heads up thread - Jack made a new list for 3.650 topics specifically. On 9/12/09, Chuck Bartosch ch...@clarityconnect.com wrote: Tom, 802.16d implementations can and do support diversity antennas on the AUs. I don't know the definitive answer to the rest of the question. But I do know that: (1) Clients in 802.16e can and do support diversity (2) The clients are supposed to be interoperable (3) I know of no clients that support diversity in 802.16d So, speculatively, the point might that 802.16e clients support diversity and interoperate. You pick up at least a few db with client diversity antennas-though not nearly enough to make up for the lower power regime you have to operate in. Chuck On Sep 11, 2009, at 7:12 PM, Tom DeReggi wrote: Patrick, Always great to see your list posts filled with good info. Responses inline... The E standard does enable use of diversity, but it comes at a high cost and is of limited benefit for rural operators. The truth is that diversity is designed to increase link budgets to support self- install. Can you clarify? Are you saying D Spec does not support Diversity? Or that most D vendors focusing on price chose not to include implementation of it? Even most Wifi chipsets supports diversity. My understanding was D supported diversity, because the early Pre- Wimax Aperto supported all types of Diversity. Please clarify. I'd like to add... I'd like to see more FIXED products support Diversity at the AP. Trials have shown that Polarity diversity yielded much better results than Spacial diversity for NLOS. BUT, that data does not consider spectrum availabilty and congestion. Many Metro deployments can't afford to waste a polarity, with limited spectrum and lots of noise, and forced to abandon the idea of Polarity diversity. Spacial Diversity at teh AP is an enhancement that can be used without any trade-off other than Colo fees if can't avoid paying colo per antenna. Actually in newer MIMO designs Spacial Diversity on its own showed signficant improvements in range. This could becaome even more important in 3.65 with few channels. Basically, each standard has its place, E is for people in 2.5 GHz doing self-install, like Clearwire, and we all know the low service (especially low upstream) packages offered in Clearwire's service. D is better and cheaper for rural fixed operators, and especially for public safety video type networks and definitely for voice-centric users. D is better for enterprise, where many users sit behind the CPE. E is better for roaming individual users with modest expectations. I'd agree. And I'd agree D is most appropriate for most WISPs. I think the biggest factor in deciding though isn't technology specs? People want to pick the technology with the longest life span. Many WISPs might prefer D, but are afraid D might be discontinued sooner, since the big dollar might have followed E. Just like is happening right now. I think the number one factor that will lead WISPs to pick D is acknowledgement that Vendors understand and see the long term potential and MArket for D, so we can be confident about our vendors. So far, I think the primary vendors have done a good job showing their supprot for D. The other number 1 barrier to WiMax is price, so once again many have chosen D for price reasons. But that is a fake benefit, because technically there is no reason that E product couldn't be sold just as Cheap if it came down to it. If anything, E has the potential to drop to lower prices, because of economy of scale and diverse use for WiMax chipsets. So what I'm saying is... Wimax E is killing themselves by pricing their products to high. Right now D has the potential to regain its market share because its price advantage. However, one good way for E to protect its market share is to try and influence the discontinuation of D. Thus important to support the continued development of D. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc We'd like to hear your opinions, and if you like to discuss this with us while at 4G World, please drop me a note. Regards, Patrick Leary Aperto Networks Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile
Re: [WISPA] Which WiMAX Are You?
Ah. I never quite remember that: the WISP list is for WISPA members only, while the WISPA list is for any WISP. Definitely clever naming ;-). cough Still, I wish they'd change that since us not-so-clever people would expect the reverse! Anyway, I generally support moving some of this onto internal lists, but I don't think it makes a lot of sense to divide things up so finely that we have frequency-labelled lists. Chuck On Sep 12, 2009, at 9:15 PM, Rubens Kuhl wrote: A members-only list, so if people don't mind to keep it going on this list instead of the closed one... Rubens On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 8:53 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Heads up thread - Jack made a new list for 3.650 topics specifically. On 9/12/09, Chuck Bartosch ch...@clarityconnect.com wrote: Tom, 802.16d implementations can and do support diversity antennas on the AUs. I don't know the definitive answer to the rest of the question. But I do know that: (1) Clients in 802.16e can and do support diversity (2) The clients are supposed to be interoperable (3) I know of no clients that support diversity in 802.16d So, speculatively, the point might that 802.16e clients support diversity and interoperate. You pick up at least a few db with client diversity antennas-though not nearly enough to make up for the lower power regime you have to operate in. Chuck On Sep 11, 2009, at 7:12 PM, Tom DeReggi wrote: Patrick, Always great to see your list posts filled with good info. Responses inline... The E standard does enable use of diversity, but it comes at a high cost and is of limited benefit for rural operators. The truth is that diversity is designed to increase link budgets to support self- install. Can you clarify? Are you saying D Spec does not support Diversity? Or that most D vendors focusing on price chose not to include implementation of it? Even most Wifi chipsets supports diversity. My understanding was D supported diversity, because the early Pre- Wimax Aperto supported all types of Diversity. Please clarify. I'd like to add... I'd like to see more FIXED products support Diversity at the AP. Trials have shown that Polarity diversity yielded much better results than Spacial diversity for NLOS. BUT, that data does not consider spectrum availabilty and congestion. Many Metro deployments can't afford to waste a polarity, with limited spectrum and lots of noise, and forced to abandon the idea of Polarity diversity. Spacial Diversity at teh AP is an enhancement that can be used without any trade-off other than Colo fees if can't avoid paying colo per antenna. Actually in newer MIMO designs Spacial Diversity on its own showed signficant improvements in range. This could becaome even more important in 3.65 with few channels. Basically, each standard has its place, E is for people in 2.5 GHz doing self-install, like Clearwire, and we all know the low service (especially low upstream) packages offered in Clearwire's service. D is better and cheaper for rural fixed operators, and especially for public safety video type networks and definitely for voice-centric users. D is better for enterprise, where many users sit behind the CPE. E is better for roaming individual users with modest expectations. I'd agree. And I'd agree D is most appropriate for most WISPs. I think the biggest factor in deciding though isn't technology specs? People want to pick the technology with the longest life span. Many WISPs might prefer D, but are afraid D might be discontinued sooner, since the big dollar might have followed E. Just like is happening right now. I think the number one factor that will lead WISPs to pick D is acknowledgement that Vendors understand and see the long term potential and MArket for D, so we can be confident about our vendors. So far, I think the primary vendors have done a good job showing their supprot for D. The other number 1 barrier to WiMax is price, so once again many have chosen D for price reasons. But that is a fake benefit, because technically there is no reason that E product couldn't be sold just as Cheap if it came down to it. If anything, E has the potential to drop to lower prices, because of economy of scale and diverse use for WiMax chipsets. So what I'm saying is... Wimax E is killing themselves by pricing their products to high. Right now D has the potential to regain its market share because its price advantage. However, one good way for E to protect its market share is to try and influence the discontinuation of D. Thus important to support the continued development of D. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc We'd like to hear your opinions, and if you like to discuss this with us while at 4G World, please drop me a note. Regards, Patrick Leary Aperto Networks Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile
