Re: [WISPA] WB 58DP-HP - pretty upset with Chuck
Four oh four, at least from my BB On 10/6/09, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: http://www.strangecosmos.com/images/content/110397.jpg Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 12:48 AM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.comwrote: CC'ing Chuck, since he's on something called a... now what'd he call it again... vaca-something? Not sure what that is, but ok. Couple weeks ago, we bought a single WB 58DP dish. It showed up, looks pretty nice -- and came with a Payday candy bar inside. Cool!! Today the high-performance model arrived. It came in a much larger box, and was already fully assembled (less the feed assembly). Cool!! I searched through the entire box twice looking for my candy bar... never did find one. It completely ruined my day... We went to install these two units on a 10km link. Couldn't get the first end aligned right, because the radio was being a bitch and the roof closes at 5. Eyeballed it, probably a couple degrees off. Got the second end installed during a blizzard in the pitch black of night, trying to align it with snowflakes the size of baseballs hitting the laptop screen. Aparently these dishes are of such good quality that being off a couple degrees on end A will impact your signal tremendously -- moving end B about 2-degrees either way drops signal by about 8dB. So yeah, they seem to be pretty awesome dishes -- but I'm still pissed I didn't get a candy bar. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Sent from my mobile device WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Throttle
What kind of Linux system do you use at the NOC to do this? -- ~Ron Calhoun On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 2:51 AM, sa...@michianawireless.com wrote: Majority is Mikrotik for cpe with some trango mixed. The tower routers/bandwidth limiting is done via Mikrotik as well. Tower units are RB600 or PC based Mikrotik. Currently we have a router setup at each tower site and do bandwidth limiting on it with simple queues and the users ip. But we want to setup our billing system so the office help can change packages and we just have it login to the ip in billing and automatically run a script to set the bandwidth throttle. What kind of router and cpe? Much of this will depend on the answers to those questions. But is the a disadvantage to limiting at the cpe vs. the tower? There is no disadvantage given the fact that you will be scripting the configuration. The only real disadvantage is the management aspect, but with this being controlled centrally, there is no disadvantage at all. -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/ * Network Engineering * * http://www.wispa.org/ * WISPA Board Member * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- John Buwa Michiana Wireless Phone: 574-233-7170 http://www.michianawireless.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Open source QoS
What kind of open source QoS system do you use to limit your network? I've recently installed some Tranzeo 5.8 gear and to my dismay found that there is no way to setup QoS on the AP. I've read some post about limiting upload on the CPE and download at the NOC but this is all new to me. My Waverider gear has all of the QoS settings right in the AP. Any hints in the right direction would be appreciated. -- ~Ron Calhoun KCnet Wireless Administrator WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Candy Bar - Was Re: WB 58DP-HP - pretty upset with Chuck
NOTICE: The Obama adminsitration has determined that the US has epidemic levels of obesity. Therefore, all candy and other sweets will be unlawful until further notice. On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 12:48 AM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote: CC'ing Chuck, since he's on something called a... now what'd he call it again... vaca-something? Not sure what that is, but ok. Couple weeks ago, we bought a single WB 58DP dish. It showed up, looks pretty nice -- and came with a Payday candy bar inside. Cool!! Today the high-performance model arrived. It came in a much larger box, and was already fully assembled (less the feed assembly). Cool!! I searched through the entire box twice looking for my candy bar... never did find one. It completely ruined my day... We went to install these two units on a 10km link. Couldn't get the first end aligned right, because the radio was being a bitch and the roof closes at 5. Eyeballed it, probably a couple degrees off. Got the second end installed during a blizzard in the pitch black of night, trying to align it with snowflakes the size of baseballs hitting the laptop screen. Aparently these dishes are of such good quality that being off a couple degrees on end A will impact your signal tremendously -- moving end B about 2-degrees either way drops signal by about 8dB. So yeah, they seem to be pretty awesome dishes -- but I'm still pissed I didn't get a candy bar. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Throttle
Mikrotik, it appears. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Ron Calhoun rons.wirel...@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 8:39 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Throttle What kind of Linux system do you use at the NOC to do this? -- ~Ron Calhoun On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 2:51 AM, sa...@michianawireless.com wrote: Majority is Mikrotik for cpe with some trango mixed. The tower routers/bandwidth limiting is done via Mikrotik as well. Tower units are RB600 or PC based Mikrotik. Currently we have a router setup at each tower site and do bandwidth limiting on it with simple queues and the users ip. But we want to setup our billing system so the office help can change packages and we just have it login to the ip in billing and automatically run a script to set the bandwidth throttle. What kind of router and cpe? Much of this will depend on the answers to those questions. But is the a disadvantage to limiting at the cpe vs. the tower? There is no disadvantage given the fact that you will be scripting the configuration. The only real disadvantage is the management aspect, but with this being controlled centrally, there is no disadvantage at all. -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/ * Network Engineering * * http://www.wispa.org/ * WISPA Board Member * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- John Buwa Michiana Wireless Phone: 574-233-7170 http://www.michianawireless.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] WB 58DP-HP - pretty upset with Chuck
Works on my BB :/ On 10/6/09, Jeremy Parr jeremyp...@gmail.com wrote: Four oh four, at least from my BB On 10/6/09, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: http://www.strangecosmos.com/images/content/110397.jpg Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 12:48 AM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.comwrote: CC'ing Chuck, since he's on something called a... now what'd he call it again... vaca-something? Not sure what that is, but ok. Couple weeks ago, we bought a single WB 58DP dish. It showed up, looks pretty nice -- and came with a Payday candy bar inside. Cool!! Today the high-performance model arrived. It came in a much larger box, and was already fully assembled (less the feed assembly). Cool!! I searched through the entire box twice looking for my candy bar... never did find one. It completely ruined my day... We went to install these two units on a 10km link. Couldn't get the first end aligned right, because the radio was being a bitch and the roof closes at 5. Eyeballed it, probably a couple degrees off. Got the second end installed during a blizzard in the pitch black of night, trying to align it with snowflakes the size of baseballs hitting the laptop screen. Aparently these dishes are of such good quality that being off a couple degrees on end A will impact your signal tremendously -- moving end B about 2-degrees either way drops signal by about 8dB. So yeah, they seem to be pretty awesome dishes -- but I'm still pissed I didn't get a candy bar. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Sent from my mobile device WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Open source QoS
RouterOS :) Mirotik. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Ron Calhoun Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 8:52 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Open source QoS What kind of open source QoS system do you use to limit your network? I've recently installed some Tranzeo 5.8 gear and to my dismay found that there is no way to setup QoS on the AP. I've read some post about limiting upload on the CPE and download at the NOC but this is all new to me. My Waverider gear has all of the QoS settings right in the AP. Any hints in the right direction would be appreciated. -- ~Ron Calhoun KCnet Wireless Administrator WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Open source QoS
I didn't want to say MT because it's not open source but... MikroTik. It's so easy and does such a great job. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 10:20 AM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.netwrote: RouterOS :) Mirotik. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Ron Calhoun Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 8:52 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Open source QoS What kind of open source QoS system do you use to limit your network? I've recently installed some Tranzeo 5.8 gear and to my dismay found that there is no way to setup QoS on the AP. I've read some post about limiting upload on the CPE and download at the NOC but this is all new to me. My Waverider gear has all of the QoS settings right in the AP. Any hints in the right direction would be appreciated. -- ~Ron Calhoun KCnet Wireless Administrator WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Open source QoS
For the cost, you can't go open source .. too cheap. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 9:22 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Open source QoS I didn't want to say MT because it's not open source but... MikroTik. It's so easy and does such a great job. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 10:20 AM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.netwrote: RouterOS :) Mirotik. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Ron Calhoun Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 8:52 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Open source QoS What kind of open source QoS system do you use to limit your network? I've recently installed some Tranzeo 5.8 gear and to my dismay found that there is no way to setup QoS on the AP. I've read some post about limiting upload on the CPE and download at the NOC but this is all new to me. My Waverider gear has all of the QoS settings right in the AP. Any hints in the right direction would be appreciated. -- ~Ron Calhoun KCnet Wireless Administrator WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Open source QoS
Well the projects that MT (I think) and ImageStream use are OSS (I think). However the interface to them sucks - this is where MT and IS come in to play. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 10:29 AM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.netwrote: For the cost, you can't go open source .. too cheap. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 9:22 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Open source QoS I didn't want to say MT because it's not open source but... MikroTik. It's so easy and does such a great job. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 10:20 AM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.netwrote: RouterOS :) Mirotik. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Ron Calhoun Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 8:52 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Open source QoS What kind of open source QoS system do you use to limit your network? I've recently installed some Tranzeo 5.8 gear and to my dismay found that there is no way to setup QoS on the AP. I've read some post about limiting upload on the CPE and download at the NOC but this is all new to me. My Waverider gear has all of the QoS settings right in the AP. Any hints in the right direction would be appreciated. -- ~Ron Calhoun KCnet Wireless Administrator WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Selling to businesses
While this might not work for businesses... Mesa had some luck with sticky type door to door flyers that looked like the stickers UPS leaves when you're not home for a package. I wasn't with the company when they were used... but I heard the take rates were surprisingly well. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Bret Clark Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 11:42 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Selling to businesses Direct mail works, but generally 3 mailings usually need to occur before the person you are sending too starts to notice it. We find the old 4x6 postcard works well, not expensive and many people see it since it's not in an envelope. Put an eye catching graphic on one side and then and some bullet points on the other side. We tried radio, but didn't have much luck...most people seem to drive to work listening to ipods or XM. Newspaper ads didn't really work well either...who reads newspapers anymore, although we did find some mild success with online ads through our local newspapers. On Mon, 2009-10-05 at 13:04 -0400, Jerry Richardson wrote: Other than cold calling (this has been the most successful for us) and referrals, what other methods are you using to sell to businesses? If you are using a direct mail piece that has had some success, I'd be interested in what it looks like. We have not had much success there. We are adding voice which should make a huge difference. Just looking to stimulate sales :-) [cid:image001.jpg@01CA45A3.36814DF0] Broadband for Business Public and Private WiFi http://www.aircloud.com Jerry Richardson VP Operations 925-260-4119 x2 P Please consider the environment before printing this email -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] WB 58DP-HP - pretty upset with Chuck
Too funny. Try U-Haul for the vans. They sell them on a pretty regular basis and are exactly what you're looking for. --C Ryan Spott wrote: I have a friend of mine in Fairbanks, AK. He lives in an apartment building and his neighbor has a van like that. He says that PARENTS constantly ask him for candy... *head-desk*. A few years ago, I was looking for a used E250 cargo/service van. I was calling dealers and was both amused and shocked when I would ask about a 'plain-jane E250 fleetside cargo/service van' and would get silence on the line.. When I asked for a 'child molester van' I would get results! ryan On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 9:53 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: http://www.strangecosmos.com/images/content/110397.jpg Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 12:48 AM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.comwrote: CC'ing Chuck, since he's on something called a... now what'd he call it again... vaca-something? Not sure what that is, but ok. Couple weeks ago, we bought a single WB 58DP dish. It showed up, looks pretty nice -- and came with a Payday candy bar inside. Cool!! Today the high-performance model arrived. It came in a much larger box, and was already fully assembled (less the feed assembly). Cool!! I searched through the entire box twice looking for my candy bar... never did find one. It completely ruined my day... We went to install these two units on a 10km link. Couldn't get the first end aligned right, because the radio was being a bitch and the roof closes at 5. Eyeballed it, probably a couple degrees off. Got the second end installed during a blizzard in the pitch black of night, trying to align it with snowflakes the size of baseballs hitting the laptop screen. Aparently these dishes are of such good quality that being off a couple degrees on end A will impact your signal tremendously -- moving end B about 2-degrees either way drops signal by about 8dB. So yeah, they seem to be pretty awesome dishes -- but I'm still pissed I didn't get a candy bar. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] To G or not to G :-)
I was mistaken, the R52N was tested with a Metalink Mtw_RGPlus_5.0VB_001 AP (whatever that is). https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/oet/forms/blobs/retrieve.cgi?attachment_id=1109553native_or_pdf=pdf I know I saw one recently that was tested against a cisco. In any case, it was tested as a client, and not as an AP. Randy John Thomas wrote: Cisco's 1242's are certified for 5.4-5.7 GHz. Could you use Cisco APs' and Mikrotik clients? John Randy Cosby wrote: I know the mikrotik R52N card is.. I was so excited... Until I read closer. It's certified as a client device, but not as an AP. The AP has to do all the heavy DFS/TPC lifting :( Randy jp wrote: I'll send one lucky winner $30 paypal if they can show me within a week the M series is 5.4 certified via an FCC document. On Fri, Oct 02, 2009 at 09:18:30PM -0400, Gino Villarini wrote: Where? This is the FCC cert for the M5 Rocket http://tinyurl.com/yaolxlj its only certified for 5.8 ghz AND get this, for PTMP its only certified with 6db omnis . so how come they are selling sectors for them . Show me where its certified for 5.4, ill send you a $100 paypal Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 8:42 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] To G or not to G :-) Actually, their new M series has 5.4 GHz certification. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: jp j...@saucer.midcoast.com Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 2:42 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] To G or not to G :-) On Thu, Oct 01, 2009 at 11:08:02PM -0400, David Hulsebus wrote: I have used 411 AP's with XR5 cards and NS5L's with good success in small subdivision projects. 1/2 to 1 mile using 5M channels running G, mostly horizontal. We lock the rates lower than 54 if we see any CCQ numbers consistently below 66%. We've had our best success at 36MB. Lowering not raising the power in most cases improves our CCQ. But again, we're mostly within a half mile. We don't have a sector broader than 90 deg, run mostly 5.4 on the AP and 5.7 on our backhauls. One site Dave Hulsebus I'm curious what you use that is cheap and legal for 5.4 APs? I know that nothing UBNT makes is legal for 5.4 use in the US. Not being a frequency nazi, just looking for something legal for me to use. -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Candy Bar - Was Re: WB 58DP-HP - pretty upset with Chuck
In all seriousness... We used to get packages from Salesforce.com with candy all the time. It was so fun opening those in the middle of the summer here when it gets over 110 and trying to guess what was originally in the wrapper. Randy RickG wrote: NOTICE: The Obama adminsitration has determined that the US has epidemic levels of obesity. Therefore, all candy and other sweets will be unlawful until further notice. On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 12:48 AM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote: CC'ing Chuck, since he's on something called a... now what'd he call it again... vaca-something? Not sure what that is, but ok. Couple weeks ago, we bought a single WB 58DP dish. It showed up, looks pretty nice -- and came with a Payday candy bar inside. Cool!! Today the high-performance model arrived. It came in a much larger box, and was already fully assembled (less the feed assembly). Cool!! I searched through the entire box twice looking for my candy bar... never did find one. It completely ruined my day... We went to install these two units on a 10km link. Couldn't get the first end aligned right, because the radio was being a bitch and the roof closes at 5. Eyeballed it, probably a couple degrees off. Got the second end installed during a blizzard in the pitch black of night, trying to align it with snowflakes the size of baseballs hitting the laptop screen. Aparently these dishes are of such good quality that being off a couple degrees on end A will impact your signal tremendously -- moving end B about 2-degrees either way drops signal by about 8dB. So yeah, they seem to be pretty awesome dishes -- but I'm still pissed I didn't get a candy bar. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Candy Bar - Was Re: WB 58DP-HP - pretty upset with Chuck
Now that would be one terrible mess. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 12:18 PM, Randy Cosby dco...@infowest.com wrote: In all seriousness... We used to get packages from Salesforce.com with candy all the time. It was so fun opening those in the middle of the summer here when it gets over 110 and trying to guess what was originally in the wrapper. Randy RickG wrote: NOTICE: The Obama adminsitration has determined that the US has epidemic levels of obesity. Therefore, all candy and other sweets will be unlawful until further notice. On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 12:48 AM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote: CC'ing Chuck, since he's on something called a... now what'd he call it again... vaca-something? Not sure what that is, but ok. Couple weeks ago, we bought a single WB 58DP dish. It showed up, looks pretty nice -- and came with a Payday candy bar inside. Cool!! Today the high-performance model arrived. It came in a much larger box, and was already fully assembled (less the feed assembly). Cool!! I searched through the entire box twice looking for my candy bar... never did find one. It completely ruined my day... We went to install these two units on a 10km link. Couldn't get the first end aligned right, because the radio was being a bitch and the roof closes at 5. Eyeballed it, probably a couple degrees off. Got the second end installed during a blizzard in the pitch black of night, trying to align it with snowflakes the size of baseballs hitting the laptop screen. Aparently these dishes are of such good quality that being off a couple degrees on end A will impact your signal tremendously -- moving end B about 2-degrees either way drops signal by about 8dB. So yeah, they seem to be pretty awesome dishes -- but I'm still pissed I didn't get a candy bar. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Candy Bar - Was Re: WB 58DP-HP - pretty upset with Chuck
Back when ElectroComm was ElectroComm, and a family owned company... Around Christmas time every order we placed always came with a little box of chocolates. I always made sure to place a bunch of orders, and keep my guys from opening up any of the boxes when they came in. But now they're not ElectroComm, and they will slap you and cancel your account you've had for 10 years because their people screwed up an order, and you refused to pay for something you never received. Jayson On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 10:18 AM, Randy Cosby dco...@infowest.com wrote: In all seriousness... We used to get packages from Salesforce.com with candy all the time. It was so fun opening those in the middle of the summer here when it gets over 110 and trying to guess what was originally in the wrapper. Randy RickG wrote: NOTICE: The Obama adminsitration has determined that the US has epidemic levels of obesity. Therefore, all candy and other sweets will be unlawful until further notice. On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 12:48 AM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote: CC'ing Chuck, since he's on something called a... now what'd he call it again... vaca-something? Not sure what that is, but ok. Couple weeks ago, we bought a single WB 58DP dish. It showed up, looks pretty nice -- and came with a Payday candy bar inside. Cool!! Today the high-performance model arrived. It came in a much larger box, and was already fully assembled (less the feed assembly). Cool!! I searched through the entire box twice looking for my candy bar... never did find one. It completely ruined my day... We went to install these two units on a 10km link. Couldn't get the first end aligned right, because the radio was being a bitch and the roof closes at 5. Eyeballed it, probably a couple degrees off. Got the second end installed during a blizzard in the pitch black of night, trying to align it with snowflakes the size of baseballs hitting the laptop screen. Aparently these dishes are of such good quality that being off a couple degrees on end A will impact your signal tremendously -- moving end B about 2-degrees either way drops signal by about 8dB. So yeah, they seem to be pretty awesome dishes -- but I'm still pissed I didn't get a candy bar. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Open source QoS
Almost anything that is Linux based (including Imagestream, Mikrotik, Linksys and all custom firmware, etc) use the Linux QoS tools known as tc (which stands for Traffic Control). The full HOWTO is at http://lartc.org/ I agree they can be a little cryptic to understand, however there are quite a few interfaces to tc that will generate the rules for you as well as view counters etc. I'll see if I can find some interfaces to write tc rules and post them here. On 10/6/09 10:37 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Well the projects that MT (I think) and ImageStream use are OSS (I think). However the interface to them sucks - this is where MT and IS come in to play. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 10:29 AM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.netwrote: For the cost, you can't go open source .. too cheap. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 9:22 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Open source QoS I didn't want to say MT because it's not open source but... MikroTik. It's so easy and does such a great job. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 10:20 AM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.netwrote: RouterOS :) Mirotik. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Ron Calhoun Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 8:52 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Open source QoS What kind of open source QoS system do you use to limit your network? I've recently installed some Tranzeo 5.8 gear and to my dismay found that there is no way to setup QoS on the AP. I've read some post about limiting upload on the CPE and download at the NOC but this is all new to me. My Waverider gear has all of the QoS settings right in the AP. Any hints in the right direction would be appreciated. -- ~Ron Calhoun KCnet Wireless Administrator WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ - --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] WB 58DP-HP - pretty upset with Chuck
Another great source is a reseller who gets their stick from the big companies that have fleets. My van came from Coca-Cola and was very well maintained. 1996 Chevy Astro, 270,000 miles and rund like new! -RickG On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 11:46 AM, Curtis Maurand cmaur...@xyonet.com wrote: Too funny. Try U-Haul for the vans. They sell them on a pretty regular basis and are exactly what you're looking for. --C Ryan Spott wrote: I have a friend of mine in Fairbanks, AK. He lives in an apartment building and his neighbor has a van like that. He says that PARENTS constantly ask him for candy... *head-desk*. A few years ago, I was looking for a used E250 cargo/service van. I was calling dealers and was both amused and shocked when I would ask about a 'plain-jane E250 fleetside cargo/service van' and would get silence on the line.. When I asked for a 'child molester van' I would get results! ryan On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 9:53 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: http://www.strangecosmos.com/images/content/110397.jpg Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 12:48 AM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.comwrote: CC'ing Chuck, since he's on something called a... now what'd he call it again... vaca-something? Not sure what that is, but ok. Couple weeks ago, we bought a single WB 58DP dish. It showed up, looks pretty nice -- and came with a Payday candy bar inside. Cool!! Today the high-performance model arrived. It came in a much larger box, and was already fully assembled (less the feed assembly). Cool!! I searched through the entire box twice looking for my candy bar... never did find one. It completely ruined my day... We went to install these two units on a 10km link. Couldn't get the first end aligned right, because the radio was being a bitch and the roof closes at 5. Eyeballed it, probably a couple degrees off. Got the second end installed during a blizzard in the pitch black of night, trying to align it with snowflakes the size of baseballs hitting the laptop screen. Aparently these dishes are of such good quality that being off a couple degrees on end A will impact your signal tremendously -- moving end B about 2-degrees either way drops signal by about 8dB. So yeah, they seem to be pretty awesome dishes -- but I'm still pissed I didn't get a candy bar. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Open source QoS
Are you certain MT uses tc? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Adam Kennedy akenn...@cyberlinktech.comwrote: Almost anything that is Linux based (including Imagestream, Mikrotik, Linksys and all custom firmware, etc) use the Linux QoS tools known as tc (which stands for Traffic Control). The full HOWTO is at http://lartc.org/ I agree they can be a little cryptic to understand, however there are quite a few interfaces to tc that will generate the rules for you as well as view counters etc. I'll see if I can find some interfaces to write tc rules and post them here. On 10/6/09 10:37 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Well the projects that MT (I think) and ImageStream use are OSS (I think). However the interface to them sucks - this is where MT and IS come in to play. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 10:29 AM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.netwrote: For the cost, you can't go open source .. too cheap. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 9:22 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Open source QoS I didn't want to say MT because it's not open source but... MikroTik. It's so easy and does such a great job. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 10:20 AM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.netwrote: RouterOS :) Mirotik. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Ron Calhoun Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 8:52 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Open source QoS What kind of open source QoS system do you use to limit your network? I've recently installed some Tranzeo 5.8 gear and to my dismay found that there is no way to setup QoS on the AP. I've read some post about limiting upload on the CPE and download at the NOC but this is all new to me. My Waverider gear has all of the QoS settings right in the AP. Any hints in the right direction would be appreciated. -- ~Ron Calhoun KCnet Wireless Administrator WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] StarOS Backhaul wont connect??? UPDATE
As a followup, I went out to the towers in question and tried the link again utilizing all the suggestions. Unfortunately, it still will not connect to a better AP. When weather permits, I'll probably climb the tower and replace the boards. Any other ideas? -RickG On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 11:44 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Butch, You're good! Your comments got me investigating further. The AP running StarOS v3 (which I'm not as familiar with) did not accept the freq I put into it and defaulted to an odd freq. The config page showed the freq I wanted but the status page showed another. I have to go out to the remote to try it but I have a good feeling it will work. Will advise. -RickG On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 3:23 PM, Butch Evans but...@butchevans.com wrote: On Wed, 2009-09-30 at 12:53 -0400, RickG wrote: 2) I've tried several freqs. Either way, both ends are the same equipment so there shoudl not be a problem. I am familiar with Mikrotik and there is no scan list in StarOS that I am aware of. Both ends being the same is not the issue. It is the Atheros driver. With that standard driver, the AP may be able to tune to a channel that is not available as a standard scan channel on which to locate an AP. For example, with most of the Atheros cards, you can set up an AP on: 5180, 5185, 5200, etc. However, the standard Atheros driver will not be able to locate an AP that is running at 5185 because that is not a standard channel. A client CAN be configured to connect at that channel, but you would have to supply the driver with a list of channels to scan for the AP. I'm not familiar enough with StarOS to know if that is an option OR if StarOS is even using the standard driver. If so, it is something to consider. Your 4th idea of swapping is a good idea. I have other customers connected to the AP so its a bit touchy but I will give that a shot soon. This is, I think, the best option. It is likely to be the most definitive test. -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/ * Network Engineering * * http://www.wispa.org/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Candy Bar - Was Re: WB 58DP-HP - pretty upset with Chuck
They can have my candy when they pry it from my cold, dead fingers! RickG wrote: NOTICE: The Obama adminsitration has determined that the US has epidemic levels of obesity. Therefore, all candy and other sweets will be unlawful until further notice. On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 12:48 AM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote: CC'ing Chuck, since he's on something called a... now what'd he call it again... vaca-something? Not sure what that is, but ok. Couple weeks ago, we bought a single WB 58DP dish. It showed up, looks pretty nice -- and came with a Payday candy bar inside. Cool!! Today the high-performance model arrived. It came in a much larger box, and was already fully assembled (less the feed assembly). Cool!! I searched through the entire box twice looking for my candy bar... never did find one. It completely ruined my day... We went to install these two units on a 10km link. Couldn't get the first end aligned right, because the radio was being a bitch and the roof closes at 5. Eyeballed it, probably a couple degrees off. Got the second end installed during a blizzard in the pitch black of night, trying to align it with snowflakes the size of baseballs hitting the laptop screen. Aparently these dishes are of such good quality that being off a couple degrees on end A will impact your signal tremendously -- moving end B about 2-degrees either way drops signal by about 8dB. So yeah, they seem to be pretty awesome dishes -- but I'm still pissed I didn't get a candy bar. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] How are you handling VOIP services over WiFi?
I haven't been able to find much in the way of white papers for information regarding VOIP over WiFi. If someone could share some info with me I would appreciate it. Thanks, Pat WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Candy Bar - Was Re: WB 58DP-HP - pretty upset with Chuck
LOL, thats the attitude! On 10/6/09, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net wrote: They can have my candy when they pry it from my cold, dead fingers! RickG wrote: NOTICE: The Obama adminsitration has determined that the US has epidemic levels of obesity. Therefore, all candy and other sweets will be unlawful until further notice. On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 12:48 AM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote: CC'ing Chuck, since he's on something called a... now what'd he call it again... vaca-something? Not sure what that is, but ok. Couple weeks ago, we bought a single WB 58DP dish. It showed up, looks pretty nice -- and came with a Payday candy bar inside. Cool!! Today the high-performance model arrived. It came in a much larger box, and was already fully assembled (less the feed assembly). Cool!! I searched through the entire box twice looking for my candy bar... never did find one. It completely ruined my day... We went to install these two units on a 10km link. Couldn't get the first end aligned right, because the radio was being a bitch and the roof closes at 5. Eyeballed it, probably a couple degrees off. Got the second end installed during a blizzard in the pitch black of night, trying to align it with snowflakes the size of baseballs hitting the laptop screen. Aparently these dishes are of such good quality that being off a couple degrees on end A will impact your signal tremendously -- moving end B about 2-degrees either way drops signal by about 8dB. So yeah, they seem to be pretty awesome dishes -- but I'm still pissed I didn't get a candy bar. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] How are you handling VOIP services over WiFi?
We do that;) --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of pat Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 1:26 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] How are you handling VOIP services over WiFi? I haven't been able to find much in the way of white papers for information regarding VOIP over WiFi. If someone could share some info with me I would appreciate it. Thanks, Pat WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Open source QoS
It's most likely tc. I haven't dug into the guts of MikroTik, I'm scared of what I might find =) On 10/6/09 12:33 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Are you certain MT uses tc? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Adam Kennedy akenn...@cyberlinktech.comwrote: Almost anything that is Linux based (including Imagestream, Mikrotik, Linksys and all custom firmware, etc) use the Linux QoS tools known as tc (which stands for Traffic Control). The full HOWTO is at http://lartc.org/ I agree they can be a little cryptic to understand, however there are quite a few interfaces to tc that will generate the rules for you as well as view counters etc. I'll see if I can find some interfaces to write tc rules and post them here. On 10/6/09 10:37 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Well the projects that MT (I think) and ImageStream use are OSS (I think). However the interface to them sucks - this is where MT and IS come in to play. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 10:29 AM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.netwrote: For the cost, you can't go open source .. too cheap. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 9:22 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Open source QoS I didn't want to say MT because it's not open source but... MikroTik. It's so easy and does such a great job. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 10:20 AM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.netwrote: RouterOS :) Mirotik. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Ron Calhoun Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 8:52 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Open source QoS What kind of open source QoS system do you use to limit your network? I've recently installed some Tranzeo 5.8 gear and to my dismay found that there is no way to setup QoS on the AP. I've read some post about limiting upload on the CPE and download at the NOC but this is all new to me. My Waverider gear has all of the QoS settings right in the AP. Any hints in the right direction would be appreciated. -- ~Ron Calhoun KCnet Wireless Administrator WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ - ---
Re: [WISPA] Open source QoS
Bottom of the license page on the mt www server. On 10/6/09, Adam Kennedy akenn...@cyberlinktech.com wrote: It's most likely tc. I haven't dug into the guts of MikroTik, I'm scared of what I might find =) On 10/6/09 12:33 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Are you certain MT uses tc? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Adam Kennedy akenn...@cyberlinktech.comwrote: Almost anything that is Linux based (including Imagestream, Mikrotik, Linksys and all custom firmware, etc) use the Linux QoS tools known as tc (which stands for Traffic Control). The full HOWTO is at http://lartc.org/ I agree they can be a little cryptic to understand, however there are quite a few interfaces to tc that will generate the rules for you as well as view counters etc. I'll see if I can find some interfaces to write tc rules and post them here. On 10/6/09 10:37 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Well the projects that MT (I think) and ImageStream use are OSS (I think). However the interface to them sucks - this is where MT and IS come in to play. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 10:29 AM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.netwrote: For the cost, you can't go open source .. too cheap. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 9:22 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Open source QoS I didn't want to say MT because it's not open source but... MikroTik. It's so easy and does such a great job. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 10:20 AM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.netwrote: RouterOS :) Mirotik. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services WISPA Vendor Member Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Ron Calhoun Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 8:52 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Open source QoS What kind of open source QoS system do you use to limit your network? I've recently installed some Tranzeo 5.8 gear and to my dismay found that there is no way to setup QoS on the AP. I've read some post about limiting upload on the CPE and download at the NOC but this is all new to me. My Waverider gear has all of the QoS settings right in the AP. Any hints in the right direction would be appreciated. -- ~Ron Calhoun KCnet Wireless Administrator WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] How are you handling VOIP services over WiFi?
We have found that the success of VOIP over WiFi is directly related to the quality of the VOIP provider. Some providers have higher QOS built into their system and those have very good success. Others have tried shortcuts and those tend to have much more frequent problems. It really is like your network, if you build it right it works pretty well but if you take shortcuts they can come back to bite you. -Layne Layne Sisk ServerPlus -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of pat Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 12:26 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] How are you handling VOIP services over WiFi? I haven't been able to find much in the way of white papers for information regarding VOIP over WiFi. If someone could share some info with me I would appreciate it. Thanks, Pat WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] How are you handling VOIP services over WiFi?
I find the success of VoIP exactly opposite of you. I directly relate it to the quality of the Wireless network it runs on... We do LOTS of both. Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Layne Sisk la...@serverplus.com Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 4:58 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] How are you handling VOIP services over WiFi? We have found that the success of VOIP over WiFi is directly related to the quality of the VOIP provider. Some providers have higher QOS built into their system and those have very good success. Others have tried shortcuts and those tend to have much more frequent problems. It really is like your network, if you build it right it works pretty well but if you take shortcuts they can come back to bite you. -Layne Layne Sisk ServerPlus -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of pat Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 12:26 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] How are you handling VOIP services over WiFi? I haven't been able to find much in the way of white papers for information regarding VOIP over WiFi. If someone could share some info with me I would appreciate it. Thanks, Pat WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] How are you handling VOIP services over WiFi?
In my simple home case it works fine. I've got Cisco and Polycom VoIP phones around the house in places I can't get Ethernet and use Buffalo bridges and they all link back to my Asterisk which links to my office Asterisk via RoadRunner. It's been absolutely wireline quality for a couple of years. . . . J o n a t h a n -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Carullo Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 4:01 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] How are you handling VOIP services over WiFi? I find the success of VoIP exactly opposite of you. I directly relate it to the quality of the Wireless network it runs on... We do LOTS of both. Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Layne Sisk la...@serverplus.com Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 4:58 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] How are you handling VOIP services over WiFi? We have found that the success of VOIP over WiFi is directly related to the quality of the VOIP provider. Some providers have higher QOS built into their system and those have very good success. Others have tried shortcuts and those tend to have much more frequent problems. It really is like your network, if you build it right it works pretty well but if you take shortcuts they can come back to bite you. -Layne Layne Sisk ServerPlus -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of pat Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 12:26 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] How are you handling VOIP services over WiFi? I haven't been able to find much in the way of white papers for information regarding VOIP over WiFi. If someone could share some info with me I would appreciate it. Thanks, Pat -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] How are you handling VOIP services over WiFi?
My experiences around here is that the PSTN service sucks. Lots of staticy lines around here. VoIP has worked quiet well since we started years ago. All issues were last mile related. On 10/6/09, Jonathan Schmidt jeschm...@jeschmidt.com wrote: In my simple home case it works fine. I've got Cisco and Polycom VoIP phones around the house in places I can't get Ethernet and use Buffalo bridges and they all link back to my Asterisk which links to my office Asterisk via RoadRunner. It's been absolutely wireline quality for a couple of years. . . . J o n a t h a n -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Carullo Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 4:01 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] How are you handling VOIP services over WiFi? I find the success of VoIP exactly opposite of you. I directly relate it to the quality of the Wireless network it runs on... We do LOTS of both. Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Layne Sisk la...@serverplus.com Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 4:58 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] How are you handling VOIP services over WiFi? We have found that the success of VOIP over WiFi is directly related to the quality of the VOIP provider. Some providers have higher QOS built into their system and those have very good success. Others have tried shortcuts and those tend to have much more frequent problems. It really is like your network, if you build it right it works pretty well but if you take shortcuts they can come back to bite you. -Layne Layne Sisk ServerPlus -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of pat Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 12:26 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] How are you handling VOIP services over WiFi? I haven't been able to find much in the way of white papers for information regarding VOIP over WiFi. If someone could share some info with me I would appreciate it. Thanks, Pat -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 When you have eliminated the impossible, that which remains, however improbable, must be the truth. --- Sir Arthur Conan Doyle WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] How are you handling VOIP services over WiFi?
Simply put, VoIP runs on anything that supports TCP/IP. How well it runs simply comes down to the down to how well you designed your network and how well you implement QoS features. Jonathan Schmidt wrote: In my simple home case it works fine. I've got Cisco and Polycom VoIP phones around the house in places I can't get Ethernet and use Buffalo bridges and they all link back to my Asterisk which links to my office Asterisk via RoadRunner. It's been absolutely wireline quality for a couple of years. . . . J o n a t h a n -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Carullo Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 4:01 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] How are you handling VOIP services over WiFi? I find the success of VoIP exactly opposite of you. I directly relate it to the quality of the Wireless network it runs on... We do LOTS of both. Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: "Layne Sisk" la...@serverplus.com Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 4:58 PM To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] How are you handling VOIP services over WiFi? We have found that the success of VOIP over WiFi is directly related to the quality of the VOIP provider. Some providers have higher QOS built into their system and those have very good success. Others have tried shortcuts and those tend to have much more frequent problems. It really is like your network, if you build it right it works pretty well but if you take shortcuts they can come back to bite you. -Layne Layne Sisk ServerPlus -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of pat Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 12:26 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] How are you handling VOIP services over WiFi? I haven't been able to find much in the way of white papers for information regarding VOIP over WiFi. If someone could share some info with me I would appreciate it. Thanks, Pat -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] How are you handling VOIP services over WiFi?
Agreed Scott, as I said if you cut corners on either the VOIP or the network you will have problems. Layne Sisk ServerPlus -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Carullo Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 3:01 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] How are you handling VOIP services over WiFi? I find the success of VoIP exactly opposite of you. I directly relate it to the quality of the Wireless network it runs on... We do LOTS of both. Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Layne Sisk la...@serverplus.com Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 4:58 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] How are you handling VOIP services over WiFi? We have found that the success of VOIP over WiFi is directly related to the quality of the VOIP provider. Some providers have higher QOS built into their system and those have very good success. Others have tried shortcuts and those tend to have much more frequent problems. It really is like your network, if you build it right it works pretty well but if you take shortcuts they can come back to bite you. -Layne Layne Sisk ServerPlus -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of pat Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 12:26 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] How are you handling VOIP services over WiFi? I haven't been able to find much in the way of white papers for information regarding VOIP over WiFi. If someone could share some info with me I would appreciate it. Thanks, Pat WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Throttle
On Tue, 2009-10-06 at 09:39 -0400, Ron Calhoun wrote: What kind of Linux system do you use at the NOC to do this? Do to what? I'm not sure I understand the question. -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://www.wispa.org/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Open source QoS
On Tue, 2009-10-06 at 12:33 -0400, Josh Luthman wrote: Are you certain MT uses tc? They do. -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://www.wispa.org/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Open source QoS
On Tue, 2009-10-06 at 09:51 -0400, Ron Calhoun wrote: What kind of open source QoS system do you use to limit your network? If you use Linux for a router, then you'd use tc. The tc package (Traffic Control) is what Linux uses to create the queues. Having said that, Mikrotik is NOT open source, but it is a Linux based router software and has pretty easy to use (ease of use is somewhat relative) implementation for traffic control and management. \I've read some post about limiting upload on the CPE and download at the NOC but this is all new to me. Generally speaking, this is the best approach, but it isn't absolutely necessary. Any hints in the right direction would be appreciated. I'd recommend Mikrotik, since it is about as easy as you'll find and the price is VERY low. If you need hardware, software or further specific advice then hit me offlist. I am a consultant and offer training in this area (for both Mikrotik and ImageStream). -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://www.wispa.org/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] NetEqualizer Question
Anyone running a NetEqualizer? I set one up on our network but noticed the Active Connections list is very low - although the configuration is set to monitor up to 3000 connections, less than 200 are ever recognized by the system. Anyone have input on that? My understanding is from this connection list the system will interject latency when the upstream pipe is reaching saturation - with only 200 connections available that doesn't seem like a sufficient amount to gracefully throttle much of anything. BTW, running v2.40a 1u Thanks, `S WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] NetEqualizer Question
Current connections is a snapshot. You'd have to keep hitting refresh to see connections, some of which happen and are over in a fraction of a second. The penalty kicks in when the pipe begins to get full. Then it looks at IPs with multiple connections, and persistent connections. The only setting you really HAVE to do is set your trunk up and trunk down. It is a nice device and will keep you from having to buy more bandwidth. It just makes everybody play fair in an agnostic sort of way. Mike At 09:53 PM 10/6/2009, you wrote: Anyone running a NetEqualizer? I set one up on our network but noticed the Active Connections list is very low - although the configuration is set to monitor up to 3000 connections, less than 200 are ever recognized by the system. Anyone have input on that? My understanding is from this connection list the system will interject latency when the upstream pipe is reaching saturation - with only 200 connections available that doesn't seem like a sufficient amount to gracefully throttle much of anything. BTW, running v2.40a 1u Thanks, `S WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] NetEqualizer Question
Mike- Thanks - I have a feeling something is still wrong, the connection count is just too low - there are 10's of 1,000s of connections on our network and this thing is only showing 120 or so at a time. Investigating this closer, I see (even when refreshing and taking into consideration this is a snapshot) that the only connections are from nodes within the device's management IP subnet - does that seem right to you? It's on a very tight subnet which 95+% of our customers are not a part of. I thought the bridge IP was transparent, perhaps not? Was this fixed or remedied in later firmware revisions? Thanks, `S -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 8:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetEqualizer Question Current connections is a snapshot. You'd have to keep hitting refresh to see connections, some of which happen and are over in a fraction of a second. The penalty kicks in when the pipe begins to get full. Then it looks at IPs with multiple connections, and persistent connections. The only setting you really HAVE to do is set your trunk up and trunk down. It is a nice device and will keep you from having to buy more bandwidth. It just makes everybody play fair in an agnostic sort of way. Mike At 09:53 PM 10/6/2009, you wrote: Anyone running a NetEqualizer? I set one up on our network but noticed the Active Connections list is very low - although the configuration is set to monitor up to 3000 connections, less than 200 are ever recognized by the system. Anyone have input on that? My understanding is from this connection list the system will interject latency when the upstream pipe is reaching saturation - with only 200 connections available that doesn't seem like a sufficient amount to gracefully throttle much of anything. BTW, running v2.40a 1u Thanks, `S WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] NetEqualizer Question
I keep a browser open with three windows on the monitoring machine: http://192.168.100.2:3000/thptStats.html (change your ip. It updates automatically. I zoom it to see 3 graphs) http://192.168.100.2/cgi-bin/arbi/doGetbrain.cgi (I hit refresh when I want to see connections) http://192.168.100.2/cgi-bin/arbi/doArblog.cgi ( I set this up to refresh every 30 seconds, and shows who is getting penalized) Really, once the novelty wears off and you have it set right, you can just leave it and it will do it's job. Mine has been in over 2 years without a hitch. At 09:53 PM 10/6/2009, you wrote: Anyone running a NetEqualizer? I set one up on our network but noticed the Active Connections list is very low - although the configuration is set to monitor up to 3000 connections, less than 200 are ever recognized by the system. Anyone have input on that? My understanding is from this connection list the system will interject latency when the upstream pipe is reaching saturation - with only 200 connections available that doesn't seem like a sufficient amount to gracefully throttle much of anything. BTW, running v2.40a 1u Thanks, `S WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] NetEqualizer Question
RF is more my forte, but I encountered something like that and dealt with it by using netmap and 1:1 mapping in MT. I'm not sure what they have changed. NetEqs response is: You simply need to put your Radio's in Bridging mode and set your router at your head end to do DHCP and NAT (instead of doing DHCP and NAT at your AP's). Mike At 10:36 PM 10/6/2009, you wrote: Mike- Thanks - I have a feeling something is still wrong, the connection count is just too low - there are 10's of 1,000s of connections on our network and this thing is only showing 120 or so at a time. Investigating this closer, I see (even when refreshing and taking into consideration this is a snapshot) that the only connections are from nodes within the device's management IP subnet - does that seem right to you? It's on a very tight subnet which 95+% of our customers are not a part of. I thought the bridge IP was transparent, perhaps not? Was this fixed or remedied in later firmware revisions? Thanks, `S -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 8:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetEqualizer Question Current connections is a snapshot. You'd have to keep hitting refresh to see connections, some of which happen and are over in a fraction of a second. The penalty kicks in when the pipe begins to get full. Then it looks at IPs with multiple connections, and persistent connections. The only setting you really HAVE to do is set your trunk up and trunk down. It is a nice device and will keep you from having to buy more bandwidth. It just makes everybody play fair in an agnostic sort of way. Mike At 09:53 PM 10/6/2009, you wrote: Anyone running a NetEqualizer? I set one up on our network but noticed the Active Connections list is very low - although the configuration is set to monitor up to 3000 connections, less than 200 are ever recognized by the system. Anyone have input on that? My understanding is from this connection list the system will interject latency when the upstream pipe is reaching saturation - with only 200 connections available that doesn't seem like a sufficient amount to gracefully throttle much of anything. BTW, running v2.40a 1u Thanks, `S --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] NetEqualizer Question
Scott: this is from their FAQ: How Does the NetEqualizer Handle Nat'd IP Addresses? Does Equalizing Still Work? For users behind a Nat'd router, yes it is true they all appear as a single IP to the NetEqualizer, but when we do equalizing a connection we take into account the local and remote IP, and in most cases that defines a unique pair. The net result is that Equalizing will not bring down the entire IP. At 10:36 PM 10/6/2009, you wrote: Mike- Thanks - I have a feeling something is still wrong, the connection count is just too low - there are 10's of 1,000s of connections on our network and this thing is only showing 120 or so at a time. Investigating this closer, I see (even when refreshing and taking into consideration this is a snapshot) that the only connections are from nodes within the device's management IP subnet - does that seem right to you? It's on a very tight subnet which 95+% of our customers are not a part of. I thought the bridge IP was transparent, perhaps not? Was this fixed or remedied in later firmware revisions? Thanks, `S -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 8:27 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] NetEqualizer Question Current connections is a snapshot. You'd have to keep hitting refresh to see connections, some of which happen and are over in a fraction of a second. The penalty kicks in when the pipe begins to get full. Then it looks at IPs with multiple connections, and persistent connections. The only setting you really HAVE to do is set your trunk up and trunk down. It is a nice device and will keep you from having to buy more bandwidth. It just makes everybody play fair in an agnostic sort of way. Mike At 09:53 PM 10/6/2009, you wrote: Anyone running a NetEqualizer? I set one up on our network but noticed the Active Connections list is very low - although the configuration is set to monitor up to 3000 connections, less than 200 are ever recognized by the system. Anyone have input on that? My understanding is from this connection list the system will interject latency when the upstream pipe is reaching saturation - with only 200 connections available that doesn't seem like a sufficient amount to gracefully throttle much of anything. BTW, running v2.40a 1u Thanks, `S --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] How are you handling VOIP services over WiFi?
Yeah, the basic rule of thumb is, you cant guarantee something that you dont control. Meaning different peices of the solution are often handled by different entities so it can be hard to identify the accountable party. Be prepared to have wireless always blaimed for the problem first. If you get into the venture with that understanding upfront, you'll be better prepared to deal with it. I recognize that I avoided your actual question. I'm not sure their is a best practice, as there are many practices that work well. I'd advise narrowing down your question, to get more relevent help. What are you looking to learn? How to optimize other VOIP services over your wifi network? How to lauch your own? What platforms are best? What partners are best? Best working wifi VOIP phones? How to pick reliable partners for your situation? How does one measure wifi reliabilty for handling VOIP? Many of the Asterix support websites have a lot of good info to read, even if you plan on using something else. WISPA also have several VOIP vender member partners who may be able to help. (off top of head NetSapien and Vox, although there may be more) Consistent latency is one of the more critical network characteristics needed for reliable VOIP. (any thing under 170 ms is usually survivable as long as consistent) Its hard to get consistent latency over basic wifi without any QOS controls. Queuing can help. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: pat p...@inlandnet.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 2:25 PM Subject: [WISPA] How are you handling VOIP services over WiFi? I haven't been able to find much in the way of white papers for information regarding VOIP over WiFi. If someone could share some info with me I would appreciate it. Thanks, Pat WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] How are you handling VOIP services over WiFi?
I disagree. VOIP works as well as the quality of all the the networks teh call transverses. You own network may be jsut one of the networks involved. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Bret Clark To: WISPA General List Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 5:33 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] How are you handling VOIP services over WiFi? Simply put, VoIP runs on anything that supports TCP/IP. How well it runs simply comes down to the down to how well you designed your network and how well you implement QoS features. Jonathan Schmidt wrote: In my simple home case it works fine. I've got Cisco and Polycom VoIP phones around the house in places I can't get Ethernet and use Buffalo bridges and they all link back to my Asterisk which links to my office Asterisk via RoadRunner. It's been absolutely wireline quality for a couple of years. . . . J o n a t h a n -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scott Carullo Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 4:01 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] How are you handling VOIP services over WiFi? I find the success of VoIP exactly opposite of you. I directly relate it to the quality of the Wireless network it runs on... We do LOTS of both. Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 Original Message From: Layne Sisk la...@serverplus.com Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 4:58 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] How are you handling VOIP services over WiFi? We have found that the success of VOIP over WiFi is directly related to the quality of the VOIP provider. Some providers have higher QOS built into their system and those have very good success. Others have tried shortcuts and those tend to have much more frequent problems. It really is like your network, if you build it right it works pretty well but if you take shortcuts they can come back to bite you. -Layne Layne Sisk ServerPlus -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of pat Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2009 12:26 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] How are you handling VOIP services over WiFi? I haven't been able to find much in the way of white papers for information regarding VOIP over WiFi. If someone could share some info with me I would appreciate it. Thanks, Pat -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bgp and mt
On Mon, 2009-10-05 at 12:01 -0400, Sales wrote: We have two bgp sessions with different providers using the same interface. One provider is metered the other is flat rate. However we seem to send 80% of traffic to the metered provider. Is there a way to tell a mt router using bgp which path you prefer it to use ? I would like to make our flat rate primary choice with the metered secondary. While I can't give you a full tutorial here, I will try to clarify some things. If you want to create a preference in your router for how it handles OUTBOUND traffic (from you to the internet), then you will create an IN-FILTER (associate it with the peer statement) with one or more of the following attributes: BGP-WEIGHT - More weight = more likely to be used This attribute is NOT propagated outside this router. BGP-Local-Preference - Similar to weight with a couple of exceptions. First, it will be propagated in your iBGP network. If you have only one router speaking BGP out to the internet, then weight is the most likely way to create this preference. There are other attributes that you can use, but these are the most popular. If you are wanting to alter INBOUND traffic, then the best bet is to use community strings. This would be configured with an OUT-FILTER for a peer. You can add the community strings in the filter. Contact your BGP peers to see which community strings are available that will allow you to best engineer your inbound traffic. Many providers will automatically prioritize traffic to your AS to use their direct circuit to you. In most cases, this is not a problem, however, if they are a very well connected provider (like ATT for example) AND you wish to have another circuit to be primary, then you will have to cause ATT to NOT prefer your circuit. This is done using a community string in your outbound BGP session with ATT. Once you do that, often, just a few prepends will cause traffic to start flowing the other way. Prepends are not the BEST way, but it does still work for relatively simple traffic shaping. I have seen some posts in response to your question that make this seem much harder than it really is. Once you understand the basics (briefly explained above), traffic engineering is not too bad. (Until you want to actually balance traffic. LOL) -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://www.wispa.org/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bgp and mt
On Mon, 2009-10-05 at 12:33 -0500, Jon Auer wrote: You can use MED in influence inbound traffic from the same AS http://www.cisco.com/en/US/tech/tk365/technologies_tech_note09186a0080094934.shtml MED, in my experience, is not as commonly used. It is only useful if the peer does not add other preferences for your AS. I am seeing more and more companies that create a local preference automatically for peers who own a circuit from said company. You need localpref to distribute outbound preference throughout a iBGP network when you have multiple egress points across multiple border routers. Correct. Only useful if you have multiple egress points as you say. You mileage may vary. Prepending alone resolved my traffic engineering needs without causing any bad side effects. While this used to be the primary method for traffic engineering, it is not really as useful as it used to be. It works very well in certain circumstances, but for the most part, it is really up to your peers to accept your prepending, and some are not doing that any longer. As you say, YMMV. -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/* Network Engineering * * http://www.wispa.org/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
