Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] OT: Barracuda Updates?
Last I knew you could not buy a Barracuda second hand and get updates. One of the sucky things about their policies. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net http://www.metrospan.net - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 8:27 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Barracuda Updates? Can you help out? I got a 4 year old 300 unit, IIRC we bought it 2nd hand. We need to renovate the updates subscription, Barracuda would not allow it without a hefty ($3500+) Hardware Replacement Subscription Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of KosiNet Wireless Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 8:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Barracuda Updates? We are as well. -Gary- ga...@kingoffice.com - Original Message - From: David E. Smith d...@mvn.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 5:14 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Barracuda Updates? On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 16:04, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Anyone here a reseller of Barracuda for Annual Updates? I believe Mac Dearman still is a Barracuda reseller, as well as a WISPA member. Here's his Web site: http://inetsouth.com/ David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ³Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.² --- Winston Churchill WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] OT: Barracuda Updates?
I will second that. We are a reseller as well and we had someone that had purchased one on e-Bay that called us about renewal. When we called Barracuda to re-up it, when we gave them the serial number, they knew it was on ebay and had disabled the unit. They have people that actively watch those sites and disable them as they find them. Eric -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Justin Wilson Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 9:01 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] OT: Barracuda Updates? Last I knew you could not buy a Barracuda second hand and get updates. One of the sucky things about their policies. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net http://www.metrospan.net - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 8:27 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Barracuda Updates? Can you help out? I got a 4 year old 300 unit, IIRC we bought it 2nd hand. We need to renovate the updates subscription, Barracuda would not allow it without a hefty ($3500+) Hardware Replacement Subscription Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of KosiNet Wireless Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 8:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Barracuda Updates? We are as well. -Gary- ga...@kingoffice.com - Original Message - From: David E. Smith d...@mvn.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 5:14 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Barracuda Updates? On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 16:04, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Anyone here a reseller of Barracuda for Annual Updates? I believe Mac Dearman still is a Barracuda reseller, as well as a WISPA member. Here's his Web site: http://inetsouth.com/ David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ³Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.² --- Winston Churchill WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] POE injector with redundant AC inputs
That's perfect. Thank you. Patrick Shoemaker Vector Data Systems LLC shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com office: (301) 358-1690 x36 http://www.vectordatasystems.com Kristian Hoffmann wrote: On Tue, 2010-03-23 at 16:56 -0400, Patrick Shoemaker wrote: Looking for a 48 volt POE injector (either 802.3af or just a dumb injector) that has dual AC power inputs. Dual -48VDC inputs work too. Not finding much of anything at first glance... Tycon Power has a DC-DC 48V PoE that takes dual 9-36VDC inputs... http://tyconpower.com/products/POE_Inserters.htm You could use two wall warts to power it. Not the most efficient thing ever, but probably cheaper than the Cisco option. -Kristian WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [Wisp] NetSapiens
Hmmm, that's strange. You can call my office and Apryl should be able to get you a contact number. 509.982.2181 Or maybe they'll see this on a different list. They can't join the principal members list, that's wisps only. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: CBB - Jay Fuller To: Principal WISPA Member List Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 1:05 PM Subject: Re: [Wisp] NetSapiens currently, i can't get them to email / call me back... - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer To: Principal WISPA Member List Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 12:58 PM Subject: Re: [Wisp] NetSapiens We've used them for a couple of years now. I just buy lines one at a time, no server. The costs are a bit higher than some of the other options out there but the company is great to work with! And the service is top notch. marlon - Original Message - From: Patrick Shoemaker shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com To: Principal WISPA Member List w...@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 7:08 AM Subject: [Wisp] NetSapiens Looking for feedback on NetSapiens' VoIP platform. Also need a sales contact- there is no obvious way to get a sales rep on the phone (why?) and my emails to sa...@netsapiens.com are bouncing. Currently using a private label VoIP service to deliver dial tone replacement service to SMBs. Looking to provide a more flexible solution. Need 100% uptime and a provider that is financially stable. -- Patrick Shoemaker Vector Data Systems LLC shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com office: (301) 358-1690 x36 http://www.vectordatasystems.com ___ This is the WISPA Principal Member's list. Information shared in this list is for use of WISP operators who are paid Principal Members of WISPA. Information shared here should not be retransmitted or shared beyond this forum without the permission of WISPA and/or the party sharing the information here originally. ___ This is the WISPA Principal Member's list. Information shared in this list is for use of WISP operators who are paid Principal Members of WISPA. Information shared here should not be retransmitted or shared beyond this forum without the permission of WISPA and/or the party sharing the information here originally. -- ___ This is the WISPA Principal Member's list. Information shared in this list is for use of WISP operators who are paid Principal Members of WISPA. Information shared here should not be retransmitted or shared beyond this forum without the permission of WISPA and/or the party sharing the information here originally. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL
Mikrotik, StarOS, or UBNT could all deliver those speeds. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 8:19 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL If so, with what equipment? On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 1:35 PM, Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com wrote: Are you delivering that wireless? mc On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 9:08 PM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote: That's what we did. $24.95/mo gets you 12Mbps/6Mbps. $49.95/mo gets you 20Mbps/6Mbps. We guarantee minimums--not just an up to speed. A lot of people really like that too. Our packages: www.peakinter.net On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 11:14 PM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: One of the things you have to keep in mind, is that you really do have to offer your customers a decent value for their dollars.35 Bux for a fraction of a meg is darn steep pricing these days. We offer a 300K for 25 and 2 meg for 38.50, which is reasonably competitive. You don't' need to be the cheapest to be competitive, but you can't be way outside of normal pricing. I'm thinking of throwing up some MIMO gear and offering something like a 7 meg service.Was thinking of making it about 75 / mo.Not the cheapest. Not the most expensive, either. What would 7 meg be in your area? ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ -- From: Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 8:05 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL Local phone company here just expanded their DSL coverage area and mailed out fliers to everyone for $15 DSL. I see no mention of it being a promotional price. One person said as long as you have it they will not raise the rate from $15. Think its for 768k service. Anyways we are getting about 1 person a day switching from our $35/month/768k wireless service to this DSL. Does anyone have any suggestions as to how to retain these customers They are not even giving us a chance to offer them a lower price as they all already have the DSL turned on and been using it for a month before they cancel ours. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] OT: Barracuda Updates?
Sounds like a great company to boycott. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Eric Rogers ecrog...@precisionds.com Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 8:15 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] OT: Barracuda Updates? I will second that. We are a reseller as well and we had someone that had purchased one on e-Bay that called us about renewal. When we called Barracuda to re-up it, when we gave them the serial number, they knew it was on ebay and had disabled the unit. They have people that actively watch those sites and disable them as they find them. Eric -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Justin Wilson Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 9:01 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] OT: Barracuda Updates? Last I knew you could not buy a Barracuda second hand and get updates. One of the sucky things about their policies. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net http://www.metrospan.net - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 8:27 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Barracuda Updates? Can you help out? I got a 4 year old 300 unit, IIRC we bought it 2nd hand. We need to renovate the updates subscription, Barracuda would not allow it without a hefty ($3500+) Hardware Replacement Subscription Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of KosiNet Wireless Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 8:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Barracuda Updates? We are as well. -Gary- ga...@kingoffice.com - Original Message - From: David E. Smith d...@mvn.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 5:14 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Barracuda Updates? On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 16:04, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Anyone here a reseller of Barracuda for Annual Updates? I believe Mac Dearman still is a Barracuda reseller, as well as a WISPA member. Here's his Web site: http://inetsouth.com/ David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ³Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.² --- Winston Churchill WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] OT: Barracuda Updates?
While I still have my Barracuda device (600SPF), how many of you are doing PurpleHat? http://www.purplehat.org I started switching domains over to it and have been having great success. I do however have the capability to manage that type of server, some of you may not have...and the Barracuda device is a good fit. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 2:42 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] OT: Barracuda Updates? Sounds like a great company to boycott. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Eric Rogers ecrog...@precisionds.com Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 8:15 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] OT: Barracuda Updates? I will second that. We are a reseller as well and we had someone that had purchased one on e-Bay that called us about renewal. When we called Barracuda to re-up it, when we gave them the serial number, they knew it was on ebay and had disabled the unit. They have people that actively watch those sites and disable them as they find them. Eric -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Justin Wilson Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 9:01 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] OT: Barracuda Updates? Last I knew you could not buy a Barracuda second hand and get updates. One of the sucky things about their policies. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net http://www.metrospan.net - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 8:27 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Barracuda Updates? Can you help out? I got a 4 year old 300 unit, IIRC we bought it 2nd hand. We need to renovate the updates subscription, Barracuda would not allow it without a hefty ($3500+) Hardware Replacement Subscription Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of KosiNet Wireless Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 8:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Barracuda Updates? We are as well. -Gary- ga...@kingoffice.com - Original Message - From: David E. Smith d...@mvn.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 5:14 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] OT: Barracuda Updates? On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 16:04, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Anyone here a reseller of Barracuda for Annual Updates? I believe Mac Dearman still is a Barracuda reseller, as well as a WISPA member. Here's his Web site: http://inetsouth.com/ David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 ³Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.² --- Winston Churchill
Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] OT: Barracuda Updates?
On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 13:50, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: While I still have my Barracuda device (600SPF), how many of you are doing PurpleHat? http://www.purplehat.org Other than a site that hasn't been updated in over a year, what am I looking for/at? David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] FM choke
Hi, A while ago someone (Marlon?) posted a website that sells Ferrite chokes specifically for eliminating FM radio station RF in ethernet cables. Anyone have that link? Travis Microserv WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] FM choke
Apryl? Where do we get those ferrite beads from? marlon - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 12:04 PM Subject: [WISPA] FM choke Hi, A while ago someone (Marlon?) posted a website that sells Ferrite chokes specifically for eliminating FM radio station RF in ethernet cables. Anyone have that link? Travis Microserv WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL
Sure but I'm more curious about the business model for making money at such low prices. UBNT is priced right and certainly helps but it would still be tough to make a profit at only $24.95/month. I havent seen one a financial discusion on the list in a very long time. I though market share models died a long time ago. Are people still out there losing money in the short term in order to make money on the long term? On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 2:39 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: Mikrotik, StarOS, or UBNT could all deliver those speeds. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 8:19 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL If so, with what equipment? On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 1:35 PM, Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com wrote: Are you delivering that wireless? mc On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 9:08 PM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote: That's what we did. $24.95/mo gets you 12Mbps/6Mbps. $49.95/mo gets you 20Mbps/6Mbps. We guarantee minimums--not just an up to speed. A lot of people really like that too. Our packages: www.peakinter.net On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 11:14 PM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: One of the things you have to keep in mind, is that you really do have to offer your customers a decent value for their dollars. 35 Bux for a fraction of a meg is darn steep pricing these days. We offer a 300K for 25 and 2 meg for 38.50, which is reasonably competitive. You don't' need to be the cheapest to be competitive, but you can't be way outside of normal pricing. I'm thinking of throwing up some MIMO gear and offering something like a 7 meg service. Was thinking of making it about 75 / mo. Not the cheapest. Not the most expensive, either. What would 7 meg be in your area? ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ -- From: Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 8:05 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL Local phone company here just expanded their DSL coverage area and mailed out fliers to everyone for $15 DSL. I see no mention of it being a promotional price. One person said as long as you have it they will not raise the rate from $15. Think its for 768k service. Anyways we are getting about 1 person a day switching from our $35/month/768k wireless service to this DSL. Does anyone have any suggestions as to how to retain these customers They are not even giving us a chance to offer them a lower price as they all already have the DSL turned on and been using it for a month before they cancel ours. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL
Your question has some of the answer in it. What do you want for ROI (return on investment) timing? The answer to that helps determine installation charge and how much you have to charge per month. RickG wrote: Sure but I'm more curious about the business model for making money at such low prices. UBNT is priced right and certainly helps but it would still be tough to make a profit at only $24.95/month. I havent seen one a financial discusion on the list in a very long time. I though market share models died a long time ago. Are people still out there losing money in the short term in order to make money on the long term? On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 2:39 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: Mikrotik, StarOS, or UBNT could all deliver those speeds. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 8:19 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL If so, with what equipment? On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 1:35 PM, Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com wrote: Are you delivering that wireless? mc On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 9:08 PM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote: That's what we did. $24.95/mo gets you 12Mbps/6Mbps. $49.95/mo gets you 20Mbps/6Mbps. We guarantee minimums--not just an up to speed. A lot of people really like that too. Our packages: www.peakinter.net On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 11:14 PM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: One of the things you have to keep in mind, is that you really do have to offer your customers a decent value for their dollars.35 Bux for a fraction of a meg is darn steep pricing these days. We offer a 300K for 25 and 2 meg for 38.50, which is reasonably competitive. You don't' need to be the cheapest to be competitive, but you can't be way outside of normal pricing. I'm thinking of throwing up some MIMO gear and offering something like a 7 meg service.Was thinking of making it about 75 / mo.Not the cheapest. Not the most expensive, either. What would 7 meg be in your area? ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ -- From: Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 8:05 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL Local phone company here just expanded their DSL coverage area and mailed out fliers to everyone for $15 DSL. I see no mention of it being a promotional price. One person said as long as you have it they will not raise the rate from $15. Think its for 768k service. Anyways we are getting about 1 person a day switching from our $35/month/768k wireless service to this DSL. Does anyone have any suggestions as to how to retain these customers They are not even giving us a chance to offer them a lower price as they all already have the DSL turned on and been using it for a month before they cancel ours. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA
[WISPA] OT: Google and China
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/24/opinion/24wed2.html -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Network Design - Technical Training - Technical Writing Serving the Broadband Wireless, Networking and Telecom Communities since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] OT: Barracuda Updates?
Chuck turned me on to PurpleHat a month of so ago. We are in the process of testing it on some domains. Most of the packages within it are ones that continually get updated. This might help: http://www.purplehat.org/?page_id=4 BTW: We are running it in a Virtual Machine and so far so good. -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net http://www.metrospan.net From: David E. Smith d...@mvn.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 13:54:40 -0500 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] OT: Barracuda Updates? On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 13:50, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: While I still have my Barracuda device (600SPF), how many of you are doing PurpleHat? http://www.purplehat.org Other than a site that hasn't been updated in over a year, what am I looking for/at? David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] OT: Barracuda Updates?
Well...the software it suggests configuring and using is updated. It really is a walkthrough of setting up SpamAssassin/Amavis/RoundCub/PostFix/FreeBSD... The software itself is up to date, the walkthroughs don't really change much for the configuration. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 2:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] OT: Barracuda Updates? On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 13:50, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: While I still have my Barracuda device (600SPF), how many of you are doing PurpleHat? http://www.purplehat.org Other than a site that hasn't been updated in over a year, what am I looking for/at? David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL
Using UBNT, we have a zero day ROI. We pay the salesperson a commission and the installer is paid by the job. Thus, the install fee and first month service covers it all including the price of the radio/antenna. After that, the monthly charge comes with not much effort unless the customer turns out to be high maintenance and with that, we just start charging for service calls and computer repairs. Just because one charges a small monthly fee doesnt mean you cant have add on services, higher tiers or other profit areas. But even with that, we've had the cheap skate discussion before some people will go with the 15 buck slow service no matter what. Let em'. You deal with that type of offer with quality, service and educating your market. The worst thing you could do, in my opinion, is to try to join in their game. It only associates their low quality standards with you. Apple computers doesnt sell $298 laptops for a reason. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 3:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL Sure but I'm more curious about the business model for making money at such low prices. UBNT is priced right and certainly helps but it would still be tough to make a profit at only $24.95/month. I havent seen one a financial discusion on the list in a very long time. I though market share models died a long time ago. Are people still out there losing money in the short term in order to make money on the long term? On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 2:39 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: Mikrotik, StarOS, or UBNT could all deliver those speeds. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 8:19 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL If so, with what equipment? On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 1:35 PM, Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com wrote: Are you delivering that wireless? mc On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 9:08 PM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote: That's what we did. $24.95/mo gets you 12Mbps/6Mbps. $49.95/mo gets you 20Mbps/6Mbps. We guarantee minimums--not just an up to speed. A lot of people really like that too. Our packages: www.peakinter.net On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 11:14 PM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: One of the things you have to keep in mind, is that you really do have to offer your customers a decent value for their dollars. 35 Bux for a fraction of a meg is darn steep pricing these days. We offer a 300K for 25 and 2 meg for 38.50, which is reasonably competitive. You don't' need to be the cheapest to be competitive, but you can't be way outside of normal pricing. I'm thinking of throwing up some MIMO gear and offering something like a 7 meg service. Was thinking of making it about 75 / mo. Not the cheapest. Not the most expensive, either. What would 7 meg be in your area? ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ -- From: Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 8:05 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL Local phone company here just expanded their DSL coverage area and mailed out fliers to everyone for $15 DSL. I see no mention of it being a promotional price. One person said as long as you have it they will not raise the rate from $15. Think its for 768k service. Anyways we are getting about 1 person a day switching from our $35/month/768k wireless service to this DSL. Does anyone have any suggestions as to how to retain these customers They are not even giving us a chance to offer them a lower price as they all already have the DSL turned on and been using it for a month before they cancel ours. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] OT: Barracuda Updates?
I'm using it on a few domains...and before I push it to the enterprise level, I just wanted to see how many others are using it. I know that Barracuda servers are essentially SpamAssasin, amavis/clamAV, with a new frontend and modifications to make it the more enterprise class server. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Justin Wilson Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 4:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] OT: Barracuda Updates? Chuck turned me on to PurpleHat a month of so ago. We are in the process of testing it on some domains. Most of the packages within it are ones that continually get updated. This might help: http://www.purplehat.org/?page_id=4 BTW: We are running it in a Virtual Machine and so far so good. -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net http://www.metrospan.net From: David E. Smith d...@mvn.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 13:54:40 -0500 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] OT: Barracuda Updates? On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 13:50, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: While I still have my Barracuda device (600SPF), how many of you are doing PurpleHat? http://www.purplehat.org Other than a site that hasn't been updated in over a year, what am I looking for/at? David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL
As an afterthought, you might want to advertise a Special for customers who are switching away from that 15 buck service. Gives it the face that a lot of people have been switching, even if they havent, without actually slamming that 15 buck offer directly. If anyone asks how business is... Busy, we've been getting so many people switching from that 15 buck service, it's hard to keep up Quite a few years ago I was in the pizza business. The area had a reputation for slow service so I put up a sign advertising Now Hiring 30 Delivery Drivers!. Every day or so we would change the sign to a lower number. Nope, didnt hire 30 drivers, only 5 or 6 but the word got out that we had over 30 drivers and our sales went through the roof. Funny thing is we eventually DID end up with 30 drivers when it was all said and done. Image is everything, reality takes a back seat. That's marketing. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 6:35 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL Using UBNT, we have a zero day ROI. We pay the salesperson a commission and the installer is paid by the job. Thus, the install fee and first month service covers it all including the price of the radio/antenna. After that, the monthly charge comes with not much effort unless the customer turns out to be high maintenance and with that, we just start charging for service calls and computer repairs. Just because one charges a small monthly fee doesnt mean you cant have add on services, higher tiers or other profit areas. But even with that, we've had the cheap skate discussion before some people will go with the 15 buck slow service no matter what. Let em'. You deal with that type of offer with quality, service and educating your market. The worst thing you could do, in my opinion, is to try to join in their game. It only associates their low quality standards with you. Apple computers doesnt sell $298 laptops for a reason. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 3:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL Sure but I'm more curious about the business model for making money at such low prices. UBNT is priced right and certainly helps but it would still be tough to make a profit at only $24.95/month. I havent seen one a financial discusion on the list in a very long time. I though market share models died a long time ago. Are people still out there losing money in the short term in order to make money on the long term? On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 2:39 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: Mikrotik, StarOS, or UBNT could all deliver those speeds. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 8:19 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL If so, with what equipment? On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 1:35 PM, Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com wrote: Are you delivering that wireless? mc On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 9:08 PM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote: That's what we did. $24.95/mo gets you 12Mbps/6Mbps. $49.95/mo gets you 20Mbps/6Mbps. We guarantee minimums--not just an up to speed. A lot of people really like that too. Our packages: www.peakinter.net On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 11:14 PM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: One of the things you have to keep in mind, is that you really do have to offer your customers a decent value for their dollars. 35 Bux for a fraction of a meg is darn steep pricing these days. We offer a 300K for 25 and 2 meg for 38.50, which is reasonably competitive. You don't' need to be the cheapest to be competitive, but you can't be way outside of normal pricing. I'm thinking of throwing up some MIMO gear and offering something like a 7 meg service. Was thinking of making it about 75 / mo. Not the cheapest. Not the most expensive, either. What would 7 meg be in your area? ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ -- From: Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 8:05 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL Local phone company here just expanded their DSL coverage area and mailed out fliers to everyone for $15 DSL. I see no mention of it being a promotional price. One person said as long as you have it they will not raise the rate from $15. Think its for 768k service. Anyways we are getting about 1
Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] OT: Barracuda Updates?
The big thing about any spam solution is the ability to ³learn². Everynight we have SpamAssassin go out and download new rules from a couple of different sites. Between this and the Amavis updates it keeps on top of things quite well. Plus we also have greylisting on the higher hit servers as well as IP blacklists of known spammers. Most of these are APNIC ips. What many people fail to do is make sure their secondary MX is just as good as filtering spam as the primary is. Another tactic is to have a Mikrotik with some rules that say if you receive X amount of connections from a single IP to your mail server(s) block that IP for X amount of minutes. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net http://www.metrospan.net From: Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 18:36:39 -0400 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] OT: Barracuda Updates? I'm using it on a few domains...and before I push it to the enterprise level, I just wanted to see how many others are using it. I know that Barracuda servers are essentially SpamAssasin, amavis/clamAV, with a new frontend and modifications to make it the more enterprise class server. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Justin Wilson Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 4:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] OT: Barracuda Updates? Chuck turned me on to PurpleHat a month of so ago. We are in the process of testing it on some domains. Most of the packages within it are ones that continually get updated. This might help: http://www.purplehat.org/?page_id=4 BTW: We are running it in a Virtual Machine and so far so good. -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net http://www.metrospan.net From: David E. Smith d...@mvn.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 13:54:40 -0500 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] OT: Barracuda Updates? On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 13:50, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: While I still have my Barracuda device (600SPF), how many of you are doing PurpleHat? http://www.purplehat.org Other than a site that hasn't been updated in over a year, what am I looking for/at? David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] OT: Barracuda Updates?
I've seen some ISPs that block the initial connection from an IP address. Once they reconnect on the second time in X minutes, they are added to an address list of allowed SMTP servers. Typically, the spam bots kill the message once it has to reconnect is the reasoning...while I am not sure that this works that well. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Justin Wilson Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 6:51 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] OT: Barracuda Updates? The big thing about any spam solution is the ability to ³learn². Everynight we have SpamAssassin go out and download new rules from a couple of different sites. Between this and the Amavis updates it keeps on top of things quite well. Plus we also have greylisting on the higher hit servers as well as IP blacklists of known spammers. Most of these are APNIC ips. What many people fail to do is make sure their secondary MX is just as good as filtering spam as the primary is. Another tactic is to have a Mikrotik with some rules that say if you receive X amount of connections from a single IP to your mail server(s) block that IP for X amount of minutes. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net http://www.metrospan.net From: Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 18:36:39 -0400 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] OT: Barracuda Updates? I'm using it on a few domains...and before I push it to the enterprise level, I just wanted to see how many others are using it. I know that Barracuda servers are essentially SpamAssasin, amavis/clamAV, with a new frontend and modifications to make it the more enterprise class server. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Justin Wilson Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 4:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] OT: Barracuda Updates? Chuck turned me on to PurpleHat a month of so ago. We are in the process of testing it on some domains. Most of the packages within it are ones that continually get updated. This might help: http://www.purplehat.org/?page_id=4 BTW: We are running it in a Virtual Machine and so far so good. -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net http://www.metrospan.net From: David E. Smith d...@mvn.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 13:54:40 -0500 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] OT: Barracuda Updates? On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 13:50, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: While I still have my Barracuda device (600SPF), how many of you are doing PurpleHat? http://www.purplehat.org Other than a site that hasn't been updated in over a year, what am I looking for/at? David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
[WISPA] Odd packet loss problem on ethernet up the tower
We have a tower where we just changed out the equipment a couple of weeks ago. Customers have been complaining of slow internet ever since. I got brought in to look at it today. I'm more the network / server management guy. I don't normally get my hands dirty with the wireless gear. I found that at the far end of the backhaul, I could get 16Mbps down and about 380Kbps up. Should be a syncronous link. I logged into the managed switch at the near end of the link and noticed a lot of CRC errors. So I went to the near end and started pinging the StarOS box on that tower across the ethernet. I saw 15 to 20% packet loss. Problem segment located! I swapped the cables from the switch to the PoE injector with another 3ft cable. Same problem. Swapped the cable from the PoE to the PolyPhaser NX4-60-IG. Same or double the packet loss. I swapped PoE adapters. Same packet loss. I swapped PolyPhasers, same packet loss. If I swap the cable from the switch to the PoE injector with a 6ft cable, I get about 40% packet loss. With a 10 ft cable, it seems to be about 60% packet loss. I pulled the PolyPhaser out of line, used a 10ft cable to bring the PoE injector to the where the PolyPasers are installed, and got 0% packet loss. Unfortunately, I don't have a volt meter with me, so can't test the voltage coming out of the 48VDC adapter. Does it sound plausible that the 1 ohm added to the circuit by the PolyPhaser could be knocking the signal levels down enough to cause problems? The entire length of the cat5 run can't be more than 75 feet. I think it's closer to 50 feet. I've just tested the link after bypassing the polyphaser and 3ft of cat5 jumper and I get 1.6MB/s each direction for non-compressible data over an SSH connection. The bad news is, we are expecting thunderstorms tonight... -- Scott LambertKC5MLE Unix SysAdmin lamb...@lambertfam.org WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] OT: Barracuda Updates?
We're using a mix of ClamAV, and SpamAssassin for the most part. A good friend / ex-employee set ours up and it just runs. (Very well I might add) I also have (5) RBL list / blocks using our SonicWall at the Edge. The SonicWall alone blocks over 2 million a Month. Good solutions, in my opinion, but we still get some Spam coming through. But on the other hand, we haven't had a single complaint about losing / blocking good Email either. -Gary- - Original Message - From: Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 6:54 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] OT: Barracuda Updates? I've seen some ISPs that block the initial connection from an IP address. Once they reconnect on the second time in X minutes, they are added to an address list of allowed SMTP servers. Typically, the spam bots kill the message once it has to reconnect is the reasoning...while I am not sure that this works that well. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Justin Wilson Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 6:51 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] OT: Barracuda Updates? The big thing about any spam solution is the ability to ³learn². Everynight we have SpamAssassin go out and download new rules from a couple of different sites. Between this and the Amavis updates it keeps on top of things quite well. Plus we also have greylisting on the higher hit servers as well as IP blacklists of known spammers. Most of these are APNIC ips. What many people fail to do is make sure their secondary MX is just as good as filtering spam as the primary is. Another tactic is to have a Mikrotik with some rules that say if you receive X amount of connections from a single IP to your mail server(s) block that IP for X amount of minutes. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net http://www.metrospan.net From: Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 18:36:39 -0400 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] OT: Barracuda Updates? I'm using it on a few domains...and before I push it to the enterprise level, I just wanted to see how many others are using it. I know that Barracuda servers are essentially SpamAssasin, amavis/clamAV, with a new frontend and modifications to make it the more enterprise class server. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Justin Wilson Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 4:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] OT: Barracuda Updates? Chuck turned me on to PurpleHat a month of so ago. We are in the process of testing it on some domains. Most of the packages within it are ones that continually get updated. This might help: http://www.purplehat.org/?page_id=4 BTW: We are running it in a Virtual Machine and so far so good. -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net http://www.metrospan.net From: David E. Smith d...@mvn.net Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 13:54:40 -0500 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] OT: Barracuda Updates? On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 13:50, Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com wrote: While I still have my Barracuda device (600SPF), how many of you are doing PurpleHat? http://www.purplehat.org Other than a site that hasn't been updated in over a year, what am I looking for/at? David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] POE injector with redundant AC inputs
Just FYI we have these for $3.95: https://www.demarctech.com/store/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/21_28/pr oducts_id/236 Also PS https://www.demarctech.com/store/catalog/index.php/cPath/21_34 Tony -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 7:52 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] POE injector with redundant AC inputs I dont know of any POEs that have dual AC or DC inputs. But I would pose the question of, Why not just use two POEs connected in parallel at the output?. Then the POE device itself also would have redundancy. With dumb POEs as inexpensive as $6 dollars, it might be a viable option, depending on what you are looking to do. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Patrick Shoemaker shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 4:56 PM Subject: [WISPA] POE injector with redundant AC inputs Looking for a 48 volt POE injector (either 802.3af or just a dumb injector) that has dual AC power inputs. Dual -48VDC inputs work too. Not finding much of anything at first glance... -- Patrick Shoemaker Vector Data Systems LLC shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com office: (301) 358-1690 x36 http://www.vectordatasystems.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL
Yes, they can, but only a few clients per access point. You cannot do it with 30 clients on an 11A ap. You can if only 2-4 clients are ever busy at the same time. But I'm seeing sustained 2mbit transfers for HOURS to around 20% of my clients. ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ -- From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 11:39 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL Mikrotik, StarOS, or UBNT could all deliver those speeds. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 8:19 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL If so, with what equipment? On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 1:35 PM, Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com wrote: Are you delivering that wireless? mc On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 9:08 PM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote: That's what we did. $24.95/mo gets you 12Mbps/6Mbps. $49.95/mo gets you 20Mbps/6Mbps. We guarantee minimums--not just an up to speed. A lot of people really like that too. Our packages: www.peakinter.net On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 11:14 PM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: One of the things you have to keep in mind, is that you really do have to offer your customers a decent value for their dollars.35 Bux for a fraction of a meg is darn steep pricing these days. We offer a 300K for 25 and 2 meg for 38.50, which is reasonably competitive. You don't' need to be the cheapest to be competitive, but you can't be way outside of normal pricing. I'm thinking of throwing up some MIMO gear and offering something like a 7 meg service.Was thinking of making it about 75 / mo.Not the cheapest. Not the most expensive, either. What would 7 meg be in your area? ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ -- From: Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 8:05 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL Local phone company here just expanded their DSL coverage area and mailed out fliers to everyone for $15 DSL. I see no mention of it being a promotional price. One person said as long as you have it they will not raise the rate from $15. Think its for 768k service. Anyways we are getting about 1 person a day switching from our $35/month/768k wireless service to this DSL. Does anyone have any suggestions as to how to retain these customers They are not even giving us a chance to offer them a lower price as they all already have the DSL turned on and been using it for a month before they cancel ours. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA
Re: [WISPA] Odd packet loss problem on ethernet up the tower
Well... Here's my experience. I ran a 175 foot underground ethernet from one building to another, and then mounted equipment on that building. It worked flawlessly. Later, that came down, as the P2P was no longer in use.Later, I was going to put a short range, 2 client AP up there. So, I took down the Star-OS stuff, and hooked up a Nano5Loco. NO link. None. Second Nano5 Loco. No link. We cut off a spare 3 feet of ethernet, since it was sort of beat up looking for having flapped in the breeze since we pulled the star-os stuff down. intermittent link. Got about 85 packet loss.Cut ONE MORE FOOT off, got 50% packet loss. Ran out of cable to cut off. The answer is, yes, I've seen stuff go from not working to working, with very TINY changes in cable length, or inserted bits. Changed POE to switch jumpers from a 9 foot to 3 foot. got worse. Used a better jumper, it got better. There really does seem to be a point where tiny changes make huge differences in terms of resistance, signal, etc, as it concerns CAT5. Call it mere coincidence... Or anecdotal evidence if you wish, but I've seen it happen, so it seems plausible to me. Changing stuff on the top, or even changing switches might take you from no link to solid link. ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ -- From: Scott Lambert lamb...@lambertfam.org Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 4:11 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Odd packet loss problem on ethernet up the tower We have a tower where we just changed out the equipment a couple of weeks ago. Customers have been complaining of slow internet ever since. I got brought in to look at it today. I'm more the network / server management guy. I don't normally get my hands dirty with the wireless gear. I found that at the far end of the backhaul, I could get 16Mbps down and about 380Kbps up. Should be a syncronous link. I logged into the managed switch at the near end of the link and noticed a lot of CRC errors. So I went to the near end and started pinging the StarOS box on that tower across the ethernet. I saw 15 to 20% packet loss. Problem segment located! I swapped the cables from the switch to the PoE injector with another 3ft cable. Same problem. Swapped the cable from the PoE to the PolyPhaser NX4-60-IG. Same or double the packet loss. I swapped PoE adapters. Same packet loss. I swapped PolyPhasers, same packet loss. If I swap the cable from the switch to the PoE injector with a 6ft cable, I get about 40% packet loss. With a 10 ft cable, it seems to be about 60% packet loss. I pulled the PolyPhaser out of line, used a 10ft cable to bring the PoE injector to the where the PolyPasers are installed, and got 0% packet loss. Unfortunately, I don't have a volt meter with me, so can't test the voltage coming out of the 48VDC adapter. Does it sound plausible that the 1 ohm added to the circuit by the PolyPhaser could be knocking the signal levels down enough to cause problems? The entire length of the cat5 run can't be more than 75 feet. I think it's closer to 50 feet. I've just tested the link after bypassing the polyphaser and 3ft of cat5 jumper and I get 1.6MB/s each direction for non-compressible data over an SSH connection. The bad news is, we are expecting thunderstorms tonight... -- Scott LambertKC5MLE Unix SysAdmin lamb...@lambertfam.org WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] OT: Barracuda Updates?
Where do you get SA rules from? We were using SARE, but they don't appear to be maintained anymore. Thanks, -Kristian On Wed, 2010-03-24 at 18:50 -0400, Justin Wilson wrote: The big thing about any spam solution is the ability to ³learn². Everynight we have SpamAssassin go out and download new rules from a couple of different sites. Between this and the Amavis updates it keeps on top of things quite well. Plus we also have greylisting on the higher hit servers as well as IP blacklists of known spammers. Most of these are APNIC ips. What many people fail to do is make sure their secondary MX is just as good as filtering spam as the primary is. Another tactic is to have a Mikrotik with some rules that say if you receive X amount of connections from a single IP to your mail server(s) block that IP for X amount of minutes. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net http://www.metrospan.net From: Chuck Hogg ch...@shelbybb.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 18:36:39 -0400 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] OT: Barracuda Updates? I'm using it on a few domains...and before I push it to the enterprise level, I just wanted to see how many others are using it. I know that Barracuda servers are essentially SpamAssasin, amavis/clamAV, with a new frontend and modifications to make it the more enterprise class server. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Justin Wilson Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 4:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] OT: Barracuda Updates? Chuck turned me on to PurpleHat a month of so ago. We are in the process of testing it on some domains. Most of the packages within it are ones that continually get updated. This might help: http://www.purplehat.org/?page_id=4 BTW: We are running it in a Virtual Machine and so far so good. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL
I think most of the WISPS that offer 6+ mbps services are bursting for like the first 30 seconds, then they fall back to something like 1.5mbps. I asked myself the same question until I started to think about it, they are bursting, I'm sure of it... Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of MDK Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 8:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL Yes, they can, but only a few clients per access point. You cannot do it with 30 clients on an 11A ap. You can if only 2-4 clients are ever busy at the same time. But I'm seeing sustained 2mbit transfers for HOURS to around 20% of my clients. ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ -- From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 11:39 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL Mikrotik, StarOS, or UBNT could all deliver those speeds. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 8:19 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL If so, with what equipment? On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 1:35 PM, Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com wrote: Are you delivering that wireless? mc On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 9:08 PM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote: That's what we did. $24.95/mo gets you 12Mbps/6Mbps. $49.95/mo gets you 20Mbps/6Mbps. We guarantee minimums--not just an up to speed. A lot of people really like that too. Our packages: www.peakinter.net On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 11:14 PM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: One of the things you have to keep in mind, is that you really do have to offer your customers a decent value for their dollars.35 Bux for a fraction of a meg is darn steep pricing these days. We offer a 300K for 25 and 2 meg for 38.50, which is reasonably competitive. You don't' need to be the cheapest to be competitive, but you can't be way outside of normal pricing. I'm thinking of throwing up some MIMO gear and offering something like a 7 meg service.Was thinking of making it about 75 / mo.Not the cheapest. Not the most expensive, either. What would 7 meg be in your area? ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ -- From: Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 8:05 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL Local phone company here just expanded their DSL coverage area and mailed out fliers to everyone for $15 DSL. I see no mention of it being a promotional price. One person said as long as you have it they will not raise the rate from $15. Think its for 768k service. Anyways we are getting about 1 person a day switching from our $35/month/768k wireless service to this DSL. Does anyone have any suggestions as to how to retain these customers They are not even giving us a chance to offer them a lower price as they all already have the DSL turned on and been using it for a month before they cancel ours. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --
Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL
I'm thinking Ubiquiti Airmax can but I could be wrong? On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 8:31 PM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: Yes, they can, but only a few clients per access point. You cannot do it with 30 clients on an 11A ap. You can if only 2-4 clients are ever busy at the same time. But I'm seeing sustained 2mbit transfers for HOURS to around 20% of my clients. ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ -- From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 11:39 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL Mikrotik, StarOS, or UBNT could all deliver those speeds. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 8:19 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL If so, with what equipment? On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 1:35 PM, Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com wrote: Are you delivering that wireless? mc On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 9:08 PM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote: That's what we did. $24.95/mo gets you 12Mbps/6Mbps. $49.95/mo gets you 20Mbps/6Mbps. We guarantee minimums--not just an up to speed. A lot of people really like that too. Our packages: www.peakinter.net On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 11:14 PM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: One of the things you have to keep in mind, is that you really do have to offer your customers a decent value for their dollars. 35 Bux for a fraction of a meg is darn steep pricing these days. We offer a 300K for 25 and 2 meg for 38.50, which is reasonably competitive. You don't' need to be the cheapest to be competitive, but you can't be way outside of normal pricing. I'm thinking of throwing up some MIMO gear and offering something like a 7 meg service. Was thinking of making it about 75 / mo. Not the cheapest. Not the most expensive, either. What would 7 meg be in your area? ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ -- From: Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 8:05 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL Local phone company here just expanded their DSL coverage area and mailed out fliers to everyone for $15 DSL. I see no mention of it being a promotional price. One person said as long as you have it they will not raise the rate from $15. Think its for 768k service. Anyways we are getting about 1 person a day switching from our $35/month/768k wireless service to this DSL. Does anyone have any suggestions as to how to retain these customers They are not even giving us a chance to offer them a lower price as they all already have the DSL turned on and been using it for a month before they cancel ours. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
[WISPA] Make a profit with lower pricing? Was: how to compete with $15 DSL
Bob, We do the same here. Day one ROI upon installation. Not having any problems getting customers, In fact, we're growing faster than we ever have. Of course, there is a lot more to the cost of operating than just ROI upon install. Our lowest plan is $49.99/month. Which is the reason I responded to Jayson's post: Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote: $24.95/mo gets you 12Mbps/6Mbps. $49.95/mo gets you 20Mbps/6Mbps. We guarantee minimums--not just an up to speed I'm always game to learn something. Every business model I've ever done only shows profit at $50/month ARPU. I'm just wondering if where I'm going wrong. -RickG On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 6:34 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Using UBNT, we have a zero day ROI. We pay the salesperson a commission and the installer is paid by the job. Thus, the install fee and first month service covers it all including the price of the radio/antenna. After that, the monthly charge comes with not much effort unless the customer turns out to be high maintenance and with that, we just start charging for service calls and computer repairs. Just because one charges a small monthly fee doesn’t mean you can’t have add on services, higher tiers or other profit areas. But even with that, we've had the cheap skate discussion before some people will go with the 15 buck slow service no matter what. Let em'. You deal with that type of offer with quality, service and educating your market. The worst thing you could do, in my opinion, is to try to join in their game. It only associates their low quality standards with you. Apple computers doesn’t sell $298 laptops for a reason. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 3:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL Sure but I'm more curious about the business model for making money at such low prices. UBNT is priced right and certainly helps but it would still be tough to make a profit at only $24.95/month. I havent seen one a financial discusion on the list in a very long time. I though market share models died a long time ago. Are people still out there losing money in the short term in order to make money on the long term? On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 2:39 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: Mikrotik, StarOS, or UBNT could all deliver those speeds. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 8:19 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL If so, with what equipment? On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 1:35 PM, Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com wrote: Are you delivering that wireless? mc On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 9:08 PM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote: That's what we did. $24.95/mo gets you 12Mbps/6Mbps. $49.95/mo gets you 20Mbps/6Mbps. We guarantee minimums--not just an up to speed. A lot of people really like that too. Our packages: www.peakinter.net On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 11:14 PM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: One of the things you have to keep in mind, is that you really do have to offer your customers a decent value for their dollars. 35 Bux for a fraction of a meg is darn steep pricing these days. We offer a 300K for 25 and 2 meg for 38.50, which is reasonably competitive. You don't' need to be the cheapest to be competitive, but you can't be way outside of normal pricing. I'm thinking of throwing up some MIMO gear and offering something like a 7 meg service. Was thinking of making it about 75 / mo. Not the cheapest. Not the most expensive, either. What would 7 meg be in your area? ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ -- From: Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 8:05 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL Local phone company here just expanded their DSL coverage area and mailed out fliers to everyone for $15 DSL. I see no mention of it being a promotional price. One person said as long as you have it they will not raise the rate from $15. Think its for 768k service. Anyways we are getting about 1 person a day switching from our $35/month/768k wireless service to this DSL. Does anyone have any suggestions as to how to retain these customers They are not even giving us a chance to offer them a lower price as they all already have the DSL turned on and been using it for a month before they cancel ours. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820
Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL
They must. Not just wireless either. My Time Warner Tech says they burst all residential accounts. On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 11:20 PM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: I think most of the WISPS that offer 6+ mbps services are bursting for like the first 30 seconds, then they fall back to something like 1.5mbps. I asked myself the same question until I started to think about it, they are bursting, I'm sure of it... Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of MDK Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 8:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL Yes, they can, but only a few clients per access point. You cannot do it with 30 clients on an 11A ap. You can if only 2-4 clients are ever busy at the same time. But I'm seeing sustained 2mbit transfers for HOURS to around 20% of my clients. ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ -- From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 11:39 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL Mikrotik, StarOS, or UBNT could all deliver those speeds. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 8:19 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL If so, with what equipment? On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 1:35 PM, Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com wrote: Are you delivering that wireless? mc On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 9:08 PM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote: That's what we did. $24.95/mo gets you 12Mbps/6Mbps. $49.95/mo gets you 20Mbps/6Mbps. We guarantee minimums--not just an up to speed. A lot of people really like that too. Our packages: www.peakinter.net On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 11:14 PM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: One of the things you have to keep in mind, is that you really do have to offer your customers a decent value for their dollars. 35 Bux for a fraction of a meg is darn steep pricing these days. We offer a 300K for 25 and 2 meg for 38.50, which is reasonably competitive. You don't' need to be the cheapest to be competitive, but you can't be way outside of normal pricing. I'm thinking of throwing up some MIMO gear and offering something like a 7 meg service. Was thinking of making it about 75 / mo. Not the cheapest. Not the most expensive, either. What would 7 meg be in your area? ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ -- From: Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 8:05 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL Local phone company here just expanded their DSL coverage area and mailed out fliers to everyone for $15 DSL. I see no mention of it being a promotional price. One person said as long as you have it they will not raise the rate from $15. Think its for 768k service. Anyways we are getting about 1 person a day switching from our $35/month/768k wireless service to this DSL. Does anyone have any suggestions as to how to retain these customers They are not even giving us a chance to offer them a lower price as they all already have the DSL turned on and been using it for a month before they cancel ours. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL
Interesting that Time Warner bursts the residential accounts, their Turbo service started out pretty consistent about 6 months ago with always being 20+mbps. Now its flakey at best. One minute you run a speed test and its 22mbps, next test its 7mbps, all over the board now. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 11:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL They must. Not just wireless either. My Time Warner Tech says they burst all residential accounts. On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 11:20 PM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: I think most of the WISPS that offer 6+ mbps services are bursting for like the first 30 seconds, then they fall back to something like 1.5mbps. I asked myself the same question until I started to think about it, they are bursting, I'm sure of it... Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of MDK Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 8:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL Yes, they can, but only a few clients per access point. You cannot do it with 30 clients on an 11A ap. You can if only 2-4 clients are ever busy at the same time. But I'm seeing sustained 2mbit transfers for HOURS to around 20% of my clients. ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ -- From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 11:39 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL Mikrotik, StarOS, or UBNT could all deliver those speeds. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 8:19 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL If so, with what equipment? On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 1:35 PM, Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com wrote: Are you delivering that wireless? mc On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 9:08 PM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote: That's what we did. $24.95/mo gets you 12Mbps/6Mbps. $49.95/mo gets you 20Mbps/6Mbps. We guarantee minimums--not just an up to speed. A lot of people really like that too. Our packages: www.peakinter.net On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 11:14 PM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: One of the things you have to keep in mind, is that you really do have to offer your customers a decent value for their dollars. 35 Bux for a fraction of a meg is darn steep pricing these days. We offer a 300K for 25 and 2 meg for 38.50, which is reasonably competitive. You don't' need to be the cheapest to be competitive, but you can't be way outside of normal pricing. I'm thinking of throwing up some MIMO gear and offering something like a 7 meg service. Was thinking of making it about 75 / mo. Not the cheapest. Not the most expensive, either. What would 7 meg be in your area? ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ -- From: Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 8:05 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL Local phone company here just expanded their DSL coverage area and mailed out fliers to everyone for $15 DSL. I see no mention of it being a promotional price. One person said as long as you have it they will not raise the rate from $15. Think its for 768k service. Anyways we are getting about 1 person a day switching from our $35/month/768k wireless service to this DSL. Does anyone have any suggestions as to how to retain these customers They are not even giving us a chance to offer them a lower price as they all already have the DSL turned on and been using it for a month before they cancel ours. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Make a profit with lower pricing? Was: how to compete with $15 DSL
Hi, I have packages starting at $29.95/month and I'm quite profitable... have been for over 12 years now... :) Travis Microserv RickG wrote: Bob, We do the same here. Day one ROI upon installation. Not having any problems getting customers, In fact, we're growing faster than we ever have. Of course, there is a lot more to the cost of operating than just ROI upon install. Our lowest plan is $49.99/month. Which is the reason I responded to Jayson's post: Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote: $24.95/mo gets you 12Mbps/6Mbps. $49.95/mo gets you 20Mbps/6Mbps. We guarantee minimums--not just an up to speed I'm always game to learn something. Every business model I've ever done only shows profit at $50/month ARPU. I'm just wondering if where I'm going wrong. -RickG On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 6:34 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Using UBNT, we have a zero day ROI. We pay the salesperson a commission and the installer is paid by the job. Thus, the install fee and first month service covers it all including the price of the radio/antenna. After that, the monthly charge comes with not much effort unless the customer turns out to be high maintenance and with that, we just start charging for service calls and computer repairs. Just because one charges a small monthly fee doesn’t mean you can’t have add on services, higher tiers or other profit areas. But even with that, we've had the cheap skate discussion before some people will go with the 15 buck slow service no matter what. Let em'. You deal with that type of offer with quality, service and educating your market. The worst thing you could do, in my opinion, is to try to join in their game. It only associates their low quality standards with you. Apple computers doesn’t sell $298 laptops for a reason. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 3:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL Sure but I'm more curious about the business model for making money at such low prices. UBNT is priced right and certainly helps but it would still be tough to make a profit at only $24.95/month. I havent seen one a financial discusion on the list in a very long time. I though market share models died a long time ago. Are people still out there losing money in the short term in order to make money on the long term? On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 2:39 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: Mikrotik, StarOS, or UBNT could all deliver those speeds. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 8:19 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL If so, with what equipment? On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 1:35 PM, Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com wrote: Are you delivering that wireless? mc On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 9:08 PM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote: That's what we did. $24.95/mo gets you 12Mbps/6Mbps. $49.95/mo gets you 20Mbps/6Mbps. We guarantee minimums--not just an up to speed. A lot of people really like that too. Our packages: www.peakinter.net On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 11:14 PM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: One of the things you have to keep in mind, is that you really do have to offer your customers a decent value for their dollars.35 Bux for a fraction of a meg is darn steep pricing these days. We offer a 300K for 25 and 2 meg for 38.50, which is reasonably competitive. You don't' need to be the cheapest to be competitive, but you can't be way outside of normal pricing. I'm thinking of throwing up some MIMO gear and offering something like a 7 meg service.Was thinking of making it about 75 / mo.Not the cheapest. Not the most expensive, either. What would 7 meg be in your area? ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ -- From: Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 8:05 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL Local phone company here just expanded their DSL coverage area and mailed out fliers to everyone for $15 DSL. I see no mention of it being a promotional price. One person said as long as you have it they will not raise the rate from $15. Think its for 768k service. Anyways we are getting about 1 person a day switching from our $35/month/768k wireless service to this DSL. Does anyone have any suggestions as to how to retain these
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Clearwire steals the show at CTIA http://www.muniwireless.com/2010/03/24/how-sprint-and-clearwire-stole-the-show-at-ctia/ Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Make a profit with lower pricing? Was: how to compete with $15 DSL
But what is your ARPU? On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 12:02 AM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: Hi, I have packages starting at $29.95/month and I'm quite profitable... have been for over 12 years now... :) Travis Microserv RickG wrote: Bob, We do the same here. Day one ROI upon installation. Not having any problems getting customers, In fact, we're growing faster than we ever have. Of course, there is a lot more to the cost of operating than just ROI upon install. Our lowest plan is $49.99/month. Which is the reason I responded to Jayson's post: Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote: $24.95/mo gets you 12Mbps/6Mbps. $49.95/mo gets you 20Mbps/6Mbps. We guarantee minimums--not just an up to speed I'm always game to learn something. Every business model I've ever done only shows profit at $50/month ARPU. I'm just wondering if where I'm going wrong. -RickG On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 6:34 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Using UBNT, we have a zero day ROI. We pay the salesperson a commission and the installer is paid by the job. Thus, the install fee and first month service covers it all including the price of the radio/antenna. After that, the monthly charge comes with not much effort unless the customer turns out to be high maintenance and with that, we just start charging for service calls and computer repairs. Just because one charges a small monthly fee doesn’t mean you can’t have add on services, higher tiers or other profit areas. But even with that, we've had the cheap skate discussion before some people will go with the 15 buck slow service no matter what. Let em'. You deal with that type of offer with quality, service and educating your market. The worst thing you could do, in my opinion, is to try to join in their game. It only associates their low quality standards with you. Apple computers doesn’t sell $298 laptops for a reason. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 3:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL Sure but I'm more curious about the business model for making money at such low prices. UBNT is priced right and certainly helps but it would still be tough to make a profit at only $24.95/month. I havent seen one a financial discusion on the list in a very long time. I though market share models died a long time ago. Are people still out there losing money in the short term in order to make money on the long term? On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 2:39 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: Mikrotik, StarOS, or UBNT could all deliver those speeds. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 8:19 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL If so, with what equipment? On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 1:35 PM, Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com wrote: Are you delivering that wireless? mc On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 9:08 PM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote: That's what we did. $24.95/mo gets you 12Mbps/6Mbps. $49.95/mo gets you 20Mbps/6Mbps. We guarantee minimums--not just an up to speed. A lot of people really like that too. Our packages: www.peakinter.net On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 11:14 PM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: One of the things you have to keep in mind, is that you really do have to offer your customers a decent value for their dollars. 35 Bux for a fraction of a meg is darn steep pricing these days. We offer a 300K for 25 and 2 meg for 38.50, which is reasonably competitive. You don't' need to be the cheapest to be competitive, but you can't be way outside of normal pricing. I'm thinking of throwing up some MIMO gear and offering something like a 7 meg service. Was thinking of making it about 75 / mo. Not the cheapest. Not the most expensive, either. What would 7 meg be in your area? ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ -- From: Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 8:05 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL Local phone company here just expanded their DSL coverage area and mailed out fliers to everyone for $15 DSL. I see no mention of it being a promotional price. One person said as long as you have it they will not raise the rate from $15. Think its for 768k service. Anyways we are getting about 1 person a day switching from our $35/month/768k wireless service to this DSL. Does anyone have any suggestions as to how to retain these
Re: [WISPA] Interesting...
Sounds like Sprint and Clearwire are just putting the yard sign out-front for hiring 30 pizza delivery drivers Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 12:14 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Interesting... Clearwire steals the show at CTIA http://www.muniwireless.com/2010/03/24/how-sprint-and-clearwire-stole-the-sh ow-at-ctia/ Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL
Time Warner is a nightmare for a number of reasons... They are still running docsis 2 for goodness sake. While Docsis 2 was a great step forward over 1 - running @ 6.4MHz - allowing for some pretty interesting speeds... Docsis 3 is a huge step forward however - and would be a great deal for Time Warner to put into place... In short - Docsis 2 only allows support for 1 channel - thus a throughput of 30.72Mbit/s - where as Docsis 3 allows for multiple channels - and thus allows for each channel to push roughly 38mbps - so - # of channels x 30Mbit/s is absolutely awesome Not sure why they are not pushing this - ... In short - with 4 downstream and 4 upstream channels - Docsis 3 gives 122.88 Mbit/s with 8 channels down and 4 upstream - Docsis 3 gives 343Mbit/s down and 122.88 up Now if Comcast can do it - why cant Time Warner? On Mar 24, 2010, at 11:29 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: Interesting that Time Warner bursts the residential accounts, their Turbo service started out pretty consistent about 6 months ago with always being 20+mbps. Now its flakey at best. One minute you run a speed test and its 22mbps, next test its 7mbps, all over the board now. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 11:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL They must. Not just wireless either. My Time Warner Tech says they burst all residential accounts. On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 11:20 PM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: I think most of the WISPS that offer 6+ mbps services are bursting for like the first 30 seconds, then they fall back to something like 1.5mbps. I asked myself the same question until I started to think about it, they are bursting, I'm sure of it... Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of MDK Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 8:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL Yes, they can, but only a few clients per access point. You cannot do it with 30 clients on an 11A ap. You can if only 2-4 clients are ever busy at the same time. But I'm seeing sustained 2mbit transfers for HOURS to around 20% of my clients. ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ -- From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 11:39 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL Mikrotik, StarOS, or UBNT could all deliver those speeds. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 8:19 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL If so, with what equipment? On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 1:35 PM, Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com wrote: Are you delivering that wireless? mc On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 9:08 PM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote: That's what we did. $24.95/mo gets you 12Mbps/6Mbps. $49.95/ mo gets you 20Mbps/6Mbps. We guarantee minimums--not just an up to speed. A lot of people really like that too. Our packages: www.peakinter.net On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 11:14 PM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: One of the things you have to keep in mind, is that you really do have to offer your customers a decent value for their dollars.35 Bux for a fraction of a meg is darn steep pricing these days. We offer a 300K for 25 and 2 meg for 38.50, which is reasonably competitive. You don't' need to be the cheapest to be competitive, but you can't be way outside of normal pricing. I'm thinking of throwing up some MIMO gear and offering something like a 7 meg service.Was thinking of making it about 75 / mo. Not the cheapest. Not the most expensive, either. What would 7 meg be in your area? ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ -- From: Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 8:05 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL Local phone company here just expanded their DSL coverage area and mailed out fliers to everyone for $15 DSL. I see no mention of it being a promotional price. One person
Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL
Why do it...? If TWC has customers why upgrade them and give them better speeds? I doubt a significant number of people are switching from TWC to another provider for higher speeds. Why aren't you replacing every one of your 5.7 APs with the pmp430? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 12:41 AM, Glenn Kelley gl...@hostmedic.com wrote: Time Warner is a nightmare for a number of reasons... They are still running docsis 2 for goodness sake. While Docsis 2 was a great step forward over 1 - running @ 6.4MHz - allowing for some pretty interesting speeds... Docsis 3 is a huge step forward however - and would be a great deal for Time Warner to put into place... In short - Docsis 2 only allows support for 1 channel - thus a throughput of 30.72Mbit/s - where as Docsis 3 allows for multiple channels - and thus allows for each channel to push roughly 38mbps - so - # of channels x 30Mbit/s is absolutely awesome Not sure why they are not pushing this - ... In short - with 4 downstream and 4 upstream channels - Docsis 3 gives 122.88 Mbit/s with 8 channels down and 4 upstream - Docsis 3 gives 343Mbit/s down and 122.88 up Now if Comcast can do it - why cant Time Warner? On Mar 24, 2010, at 11:29 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: Interesting that Time Warner bursts the residential accounts, their Turbo service started out pretty consistent about 6 months ago with always being 20+mbps. Now its flakey at best. One minute you run a speed test and its 22mbps, next test its 7mbps, all over the board now. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 11:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL They must. Not just wireless either. My Time Warner Tech says they burst all residential accounts. On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 11:20 PM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: I think most of the WISPS that offer 6+ mbps services are bursting for like the first 30 seconds, then they fall back to something like 1.5mbps. I asked myself the same question until I started to think about it, they are bursting, I'm sure of it... Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of MDK Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 8:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL Yes, they can, but only a few clients per access point. You cannot do it with 30 clients on an 11A ap. You can if only 2-4 clients are ever busy at the same time. But I'm seeing sustained 2mbit transfers for HOURS to around 20% of my clients. ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ -- From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 11:39 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL Mikrotik, StarOS, or UBNT could all deliver those speeds. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 8:19 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL If so, with what equipment? On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 1:35 PM, Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com wrote: Are you delivering that wireless? mc On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 9:08 PM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote: That's what we did. $24.95/mo gets you 12Mbps/6Mbps. $49.95/ mo gets you 20Mbps/6Mbps. We guarantee minimums--not just an up to speed. A lot of people really like that too. Our packages: www.peakinter.net On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 11:14 PM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: One of the things you have to keep in mind, is that you really do have to offer your customers a decent value for their dollars. 35 Bux for a fraction of a meg is darn steep pricing these days. We offer a 300K for 25 and 2 meg for 38.50, which is reasonably competitive. You don't' need to be the cheapest to be competitive, but you can't be way outside of normal pricing. I'm thinking of throwing up some MIMO gear and offering something like a 7 meg service. Was thinking of making it about 75 / mo. Not the cheapest. Not the most expensive, either. What would 7 meg be in your area? ++
Re: [WISPA] Interesting...
I will be in line at midnight the day they open for that Evo 4G (well, as early as they open). - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Matt Larsen - Lists li...@manageisp.com Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 11:14 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Interesting... Clearwire steals the show at CTIA http://www.muniwireless.com/2010/03/24/how-sprint-and-clearwire-stole-the-show-at-ctia/ Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL
I don't see hwy AirMax, N-Streme, or whatever Star's equivalent of those two couldn't maintain 30 customers with big plans (not all using it at once, however). - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 10:20 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL I'm thinking Ubiquiti Airmax can but I could be wrong? On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 8:31 PM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: Yes, they can, but only a few clients per access point. You cannot do it with 30 clients on an 11A ap. You can if only 2-4 clients are ever busy at the same time. But I'm seeing sustained 2mbit transfers for HOURS to around 20% of my clients. ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ -- From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 11:39 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL Mikrotik, StarOS, or UBNT could all deliver those speeds. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 8:19 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL If so, with what equipment? On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 1:35 PM, Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com wrote: Are you delivering that wireless? mc On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 9:08 PM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote: That's what we did. $24.95/mo gets you 12Mbps/6Mbps. $49.95/mo gets you 20Mbps/6Mbps. We guarantee minimums--not just an up to speed. A lot of people really like that too. Our packages: www.peakinter.net On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 11:14 PM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: One of the things you have to keep in mind, is that you really do have to offer your customers a decent value for their dollars.35 Bux for a fraction of a meg is darn steep pricing these days. We offer a 300K for 25 and 2 meg for 38.50, which is reasonably competitive. You don't' need to be the cheapest to be competitive, but you can't be way outside of normal pricing. I'm thinking of throwing up some MIMO gear and offering something like a 7 meg service.Was thinking of making it about 75 / mo.Not the cheapest. Not the most expensive, either. What would 7 meg be in your area? ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ -- From: Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 8:05 AM To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL Local phone company here just expanded their DSL coverage area and mailed out fliers to everyone for $15 DSL. I see no mention of it being a promotional price. One person said as long as you have it they will not raise the rate from $15. Think its for 768k service. Anyways we are getting about 1 person a day switching from our $35/month/768k wireless service to this DSL. Does anyone have any suggestions as to how to retain these customers They are not even giving us a chance to offer them a lower price as they all already have the DSL turned on and been using it for a month before they cancel ours. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL
well - i think they dont for a few reasons... But the point is - they can. for most systems it is a pretty simple update... I am not saying simply sell it at the same price mind you... but ... if they can charge $200 vs $50 - thats a heck of a revenue increase... love the Churchill statement btw :-) On Mar 25, 2010, at 12:45 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Why do it...? If TWC has customers why upgrade them and give them better speeds? I doubt a significant number of people are switching from TWC to another provider for higher speeds. Why aren't you replacing every one of your 5.7 APs with the pmp430? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 12:41 AM, Glenn Kelley gl...@hostmedic.com wrote: Time Warner is a nightmare for a number of reasons... They are still running docsis 2 for goodness sake. While Docsis 2 was a great step forward over 1 - running @ 6.4MHz - allowing for some pretty interesting speeds... Docsis 3 is a huge step forward however - and would be a great deal for Time Warner to put into place... In short - Docsis 2 only allows support for 1 channel - thus a throughput of 30.72Mbit/s - where as Docsis 3 allows for multiple channels - and thus allows for each channel to push roughly 38mbps - so - # of channels x 30Mbit/s is absolutely awesome Not sure why they are not pushing this - ... In short - with 4 downstream and 4 upstream channels - Docsis 3 gives 122.88 Mbit/s with 8 channels down and 4 upstream - Docsis 3 gives 343Mbit/s down and 122.88 up Now if Comcast can do it - why cant Time Warner? On Mar 24, 2010, at 11:29 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: Interesting that Time Warner bursts the residential accounts, their Turbo service started out pretty consistent about 6 months ago with always being 20+mbps. Now its flakey at best. One minute you run a speed test and its 22mbps, next test its 7mbps, all over the board now. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 11:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL They must. Not just wireless either. My Time Warner Tech says they burst all residential accounts. On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 11:20 PM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: I think most of the WISPS that offer 6+ mbps services are bursting for like the first 30 seconds, then they fall back to something like 1.5mbps. I asked myself the same question until I started to think about it, they are bursting, I'm sure of it... Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of MDK Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 8:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL Yes, they can, but only a few clients per access point. You cannot do it with 30 clients on an 11A ap. You can if only 2-4 clients are ever busy at the same time. But I'm seeing sustained 2mbit transfers for HOURS to around 20% of my clients. ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ -- From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 11:39 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL Mikrotik, StarOS, or UBNT could all deliver those speeds. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 8:19 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL If so, with what equipment? On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 1:35 PM, Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com wrote: Are you delivering that wireless? mc On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 9:08 PM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote: That's what we did. $24.95/mo gets you 12Mbps/6Mbps. $49.95/ mo gets you 20Mbps/6Mbps. We guarantee minimums--not just an up to speed. A lot of people really like that too. Our packages: www.peakinter.net On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 11:14 PM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: One of the things you have to keep in mind, is that you really do have to offer your customers a decent value for their dollars.35 Bux for a fraction of a meg is darn steep pricing these days. We offer a 300K for 25 and 2 meg for 38.50, which is reasonably
Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL
Does it have reverse compatibility with the old modems and cabling? If it's a software upgrade they'd be dumb not to. If it's a lot of hardware the cost may not justify the update. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 1:07 AM, Glenn Kelley gl...@hostmedic.com wrote: well - i think they dont for a few reasons... But the point is - they can. for most systems it is a pretty simple update... I am not saying simply sell it at the same price mind you... but ... if they can charge $200 vs $50 - thats a heck of a revenue increase... love the Churchill statement btw :-) On Mar 25, 2010, at 12:45 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Why do it...? If TWC has customers why upgrade them and give them better speeds? I doubt a significant number of people are switching from TWC to another provider for higher speeds. Why aren't you replacing every one of your 5.7 APs with the pmp430? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 12:41 AM, Glenn Kelley gl...@hostmedic.com wrote: Time Warner is a nightmare for a number of reasons... They are still running docsis 2 for goodness sake. While Docsis 2 was a great step forward over 1 - running @ 6.4MHz - allowing for some pretty interesting speeds... Docsis 3 is a huge step forward however - and would be a great deal for Time Warner to put into place... In short - Docsis 2 only allows support for 1 channel - thus a throughput of 30.72Mbit/s - where as Docsis 3 allows for multiple channels - and thus allows for each channel to push roughly 38mbps - so - # of channels x 30Mbit/s is absolutely awesome Not sure why they are not pushing this - ... In short - with 4 downstream and 4 upstream channels - Docsis 3 gives 122.88 Mbit/s with 8 channels down and 4 upstream - Docsis 3 gives 343Mbit/s down and 122.88 up Now if Comcast can do it - why cant Time Warner? On Mar 24, 2010, at 11:29 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: Interesting that Time Warner bursts the residential accounts, their Turbo service started out pretty consistent about 6 months ago with always being 20+mbps. Now its flakey at best. One minute you run a speed test and its 22mbps, next test its 7mbps, all over the board now. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 11:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL They must. Not just wireless either. My Time Warner Tech says they burst all residential accounts. On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 11:20 PM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: I think most of the WISPS that offer 6+ mbps services are bursting for like the first 30 seconds, then they fall back to something like 1.5mbps. I asked myself the same question until I started to think about it, they are bursting, I'm sure of it... Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of MDK Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 8:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL Yes, they can, but only a few clients per access point. You cannot do it with 30 clients on an 11A ap. You can if only 2-4 clients are ever busy at the same time. But I'm seeing sustained 2mbit transfers for HOURS to around 20% of my clients. ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ -- From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 11:39 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL Mikrotik, StarOS, or UBNT could all deliver those speeds. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 8:19 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL If so, with what equipment? On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 1:35 PM, Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com wrote: Are you delivering that wireless? mc On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 9:08 PM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote: That's what we did. $24.95/mo gets you 12Mbps/6Mbps. $49.95/ mo gets you 20Mbps/6Mbps. We guarantee
Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL
depending on the cmts in place - yes or no for most - yes the fiber is fiber is fiber... to the greatest part docsis 3 allows them to share the channel Now imagine getting a cable modem say with 200MBPS down - 100 up and installing out on a pole somewhere - then bouncing from there to your tower ... voila - WISP made easier ... of course - there are ip considerations - but you get the picture Bob here in Ohio does that w/ the lower level stuff already ;-) I remember working for a large MSO and having a 3COM CMTS (cable modem termination system) that kept crapping out - threw different IOS from a well known provider and competitor - and with a little tweaking - it worked solid for a long long time. While it may be hard in all areas for them to roll it out - for the basic ones - like Columbus, Cincy, Dayton - etc... its a no brainer imho On Mar 25, 2010, at 1:18 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Does it have reverse compatibility with the old modems and cabling? If it's a software upgrade they'd be dumb not to. If it's a lot of hardware the cost may not justify the update. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 1:07 AM, Glenn Kelley gl...@hostmedic.com wrote: well - i think they dont for a few reasons... But the point is - they can. for most systems it is a pretty simple update... I am not saying simply sell it at the same price mind you... but ... if they can charge $200 vs $50 - thats a heck of a revenue increase... love the Churchill statement btw :-) On Mar 25, 2010, at 12:45 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Why do it...? If TWC has customers why upgrade them and give them better speeds? I doubt a significant number of people are switching from TWC to another provider for higher speeds. Why aren't you replacing every one of your 5.7 APs with the pmp430? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 12:41 AM, Glenn Kelley gl...@hostmedic.com wrote: Time Warner is a nightmare for a number of reasons... They are still running docsis 2 for goodness sake. While Docsis 2 was a great step forward over 1 - running @ 6.4MHz - allowing for some pretty interesting speeds... Docsis 3 is a huge step forward however - and would be a great deal for Time Warner to put into place... In short - Docsis 2 only allows support for 1 channel - thus a throughput of 30.72Mbit/s - where as Docsis 3 allows for multiple channels - and thus allows for each channel to push roughly 38mbps - so - # of channels x 30Mbit/s is absolutely awesome Not sure why they are not pushing this - ... In short - with 4 downstream and 4 upstream channels - Docsis 3 gives 122.88 Mbit/s with 8 channels down and 4 upstream - Docsis 3 gives 343Mbit/s down and 122.88 up Now if Comcast can do it - why cant Time Warner? On Mar 24, 2010, at 11:29 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: Interesting that Time Warner bursts the residential accounts, their Turbo service started out pretty consistent about 6 months ago with always being 20+mbps. Now its flakey at best. One minute you run a speed test and its 22mbps, next test its 7mbps, all over the board now. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 11:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL They must. Not just wireless either. My Time Warner Tech says they burst all residential accounts. On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 11:20 PM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: I think most of the WISPS that offer 6+ mbps services are bursting for like the first 30 seconds, then they fall back to something like 1.5mbps. I asked myself the same question until I started to think about it, they are bursting, I'm sure of it... Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of MDK Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 8:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL Yes, they can, but only a few clients per access point. You cannot do it with 30 clients on an 11A ap. You can if only 2-4 clients are ever busy at the same time. But I'm seeing sustained 2mbit transfers for HOURS to around 20% of my clients. ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200
Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL
Comcast once the roll out is complete will be moving 100% to IPV6 - another nice addition of docsis 3 Wish most of the hardware in the WISP environment supported it On Mar 25, 2010, at 1:38 AM, Glenn Kelley wrote: depending on the cmts in place - yes or no for most - yes the fiber is fiber is fiber... to the greatest part docsis 3 allows them to share the channel Now imagine getting a cable modem say with 200MBPS down - 100 up and installing out on a pole somewhere - then bouncing from there to your tower ... voila - WISP made easier ... of course - there are ip considerations - but you get the picture Bob here in Ohio does that w/ the lower level stuff already ;-) I remember working for a large MSO and having a 3COM CMTS (cable modem termination system) that kept crapping out - threw different IOS from a well known provider and competitor - and with a little tweaking - it worked solid for a long long time. While it may be hard in all areas for them to roll it out - for the basic ones - like Columbus, Cincy, Dayton - etc... its a no brainer imho On Mar 25, 2010, at 1:18 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Does it have reverse compatibility with the old modems and cabling? If it's a software upgrade they'd be dumb not to. If it's a lot of hardware the cost may not justify the update. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 1:07 AM, Glenn Kelley gl...@hostmedic.com wrote: well - i think they dont for a few reasons... But the point is - they can. for most systems it is a pretty simple update... I am not saying simply sell it at the same price mind you... but ... if they can charge $200 vs $50 - thats a heck of a revenue increase... love the Churchill statement btw :-) On Mar 25, 2010, at 12:45 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: Why do it...? If TWC has customers why upgrade them and give them better speeds? I doubt a significant number of people are switching from TWC to another provider for higher speeds. Why aren't you replacing every one of your 5.7 APs with the pmp430? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 12:41 AM, Glenn Kelley gl...@hostmedic.com wrote: Time Warner is a nightmare for a number of reasons... They are still running docsis 2 for goodness sake. While Docsis 2 was a great step forward over 1 - running @ 6.4MHz - allowing for some pretty interesting speeds... Docsis 3 is a huge step forward however - and would be a great deal for Time Warner to put into place... In short - Docsis 2 only allows support for 1 channel - thus a throughput of 30.72Mbit/s - where as Docsis 3 allows for multiple channels - and thus allows for each channel to push roughly 38mbps - so - # of channels x 30Mbit/s is absolutely awesome Not sure why they are not pushing this - ... In short - with 4 downstream and 4 upstream channels - Docsis 3 gives 122.88 Mbit/s with 8 channels down and 4 upstream - Docsis 3 gives 343Mbit/s down and 122.88 up Now if Comcast can do it - why cant Time Warner? On Mar 24, 2010, at 11:29 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: Interesting that Time Warner bursts the residential accounts, their Turbo service started out pretty consistent about 6 months ago with always being 20+mbps. Now its flakey at best. One minute you run a speed test and its 22mbps, next test its 7mbps, all over the board now. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 11:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL They must. Not just wireless either. My Time Warner Tech says they burst all residential accounts. On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 11:20 PM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: I think most of the WISPS that offer 6+ mbps services are bursting for like the first 30 seconds, then they fall back to something like 1.5mbps. I asked myself the same question until I started to think about it, they are bursting, I'm sure of it... Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of MDK Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 8:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL Yes, they can, but only a few clients per access point. You cannot do it with 30 clients on an 11A ap. You can if only
