[WISPA] Boston/New Jeresy
Does anyone have service in the Revere Massachusetts area? We are also looking for assistance on the ground In Revere as well as New Jersey. Please contact me off list with any questions/suggestions. Best regards, Mike Goicoechea Cielo Systems International 806-977-9001 ext 101 m...@cielosystems.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Phone exchanges
I don't believe there are any official ratecenter maps. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "Scott Reed" Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 4:16 PM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: [WISPA] Phone exchanges > Does anyone know where I can find a KML that shows telephone exchange > coverage? We need to know what areas we cover with our dial-up phone > numbers relative to our towers.. > > -- > Scott Reed > Sr. Systems Engineer > GAB Midwest > 1-800-363-1544 x2241 > 1-260-827-2241 > Cell: 260-273-7239 > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL
I'm the opposite, I prefer to shop at stores with self checkout. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "Tom DeReggi" Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 3:28 PM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL > There is only one way to make money at $24.95, and that is to stop > answering > the phone. Setup a fancy website for self help everything. And customer > is > on their own. > I'm all for Self-help as an OPTION, but not as a forced requirement. We > all > know what I'm talking about all the things consumers complain about > that > are a repurcussion of $24.95 service. > Phones answered by reception level skill sets. Billing disputes that are > solved by disconnecting service on teh 2nd of the month, if the consumer > didn't pay online regardless of whether there was a valid dispute. The > customer down for a week, and nobody at teh provider really knew, and if > they did and were called on it, they point to the clause in the Terms and > conditions that says "30days". The type of installs, where the Dish gets > installed right over the front door, because the installer was to lazy to > get his ladder of the truck, and the 1hr allowed for install didn;t allow > a > more resourceful method to obtain a cosmetic appealing way to get LOS. The > self-install that generates 50% packet loss, and degrades the network > performance for all, but so what, its a Best Effort, right? > > Personally, I'll never do business that way. The day I have to be a $24.95 > provider, I'll do something else. Some people may think otherwise, and are > better at that game than I. > > Please note... I'm referring to provisioned Fixed Service meant to compete > against DSL/cable quality. I'm not talking about HotSpot type Wifi, that > can > be done profitably at $15/month, because there are different expectations. > > I just keep thinking of the recent Giant Foods experiment. One of our > local > stores became the test bed for self check out registers. Instead of having > 10 lanes with a person and 2 self check lines, this store actually > converted > like 10 lanes to self-checkout and 2 with a person. Its a night mare. > Soemtimes for fun, I just watch the people going through the self-check > and > how frustrated they get. Self bagging was OK, but struggling to find the > label, and getting that darn beeper to recognize the bar codes, and trying > to watch a 3 year old or three at the same time as jumping back and forth > between the middle of the line where the scanner is and the back of the > lane > where the grocery cart unscanned groceries sit and the front of the line > where the finished scanned groceries are put, What a night mare. All it > did > was create these huge lines at the two lanes that actually had a person > there. 50% of the stores customers ether started shopping at a different > Giant that still employed people, or started going to Safeway accross the > street. Its the best example that I've ever seen that has proven people > want ease, peice of mind, and service. Or... maybe even the friendly > relationship to speak to a person, after being cooped up in the house all > day. People dont want to troubleshoot their Internet service anymore than > they want to go to the self-checkout lane with a full cart of groceries. > And when they want some help, they want one of those special help customer > service desks like most Giant's have, they dont want to wait in line. > > Just my 2 cents. > > > Tom DeReggi > RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc > IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband > > > - Original Message - > From: "Scott Reed" > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 3:38 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL > > >> Your question has some of the answer in it. What do you want for ROI >> (return on investment) timing? The answer to that helps determine >> installation charge and how much you have to charge per month. >> >> RickG wrote: >>> Sure but I'm more curious about the business model for making money at >>> such low prices. UBNT is priced right and certainly helps but it would >>> still be tough to make a profit at only $24.95/month. I havent seen >>> one a financial discusion on the list in a very long time. I though >>> market share models died a long time ago. Are people still out there >>> losing money in the short term in order to make money on the long >>> term? >>> >>> On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 2:39 PM, Mike Hammett >>> wrote: >>> Mikrotik, StarOS, or UBNT could all deliver those speeds. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "RickG" Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 8:19 PM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL > If s
Re: [WISPA] Ham Fest
Tell you what, if enough people go - and I decide to go - I will provide a "hospitality" area for anyone from the WISPA general list. Free soft drinks, chairs, etc. I usually get 4 stalls, and have room left over. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: "RickG" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 11:31 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ham Fest > I've got a buyer for you! Can you bring it? If so, I'll buy another. > That way the spool wont be broken from the shipping. > > On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 11:45 PM, Blake Bowers > wrote: >> If I don't get rid of some more of this rope I may have a 21 >> foot trailer full of it at the flea market at Dayton. >> >> >> Don't take your organs to heaven, >> heaven knows we need them down here! >> Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "RickG" >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 9:18 PM >> Subject: [WISPA] Ham Fest >> >> >>> OK, I got invited from a good friend to go to Ham Fest in Dayton in >>> May. Anyone else going? >>> -RickG >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ham Fest
Crud... Broken spool number 2. I know if you pull from the plastic of the spool, it will come apart. Were you able to get the rope off? Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: "RickG" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 11:31 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ham Fest > I've got a buyer for you! Can you bring it? If so, I'll buy another. > That way the spool wont be broken from the shipping. > > On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 11:45 PM, Blake Bowers > wrote: >> If I don't get rid of some more of this rope I may have a 21 >> foot trailer full of it at the flea market at Dayton. >> >> >> Don't take your organs to heaven, >> heaven knows we need them down here! >> Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "RickG" >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 9:18 PM >> Subject: [WISPA] Ham Fest >> >> >>> OK, I got invited from a good friend to go to Ham Fest in Dayton in >>> May. Anyone else going? >>> -RickG >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ham Fest
I have about 300 rolls available of 3/8 propylene rope. 1200 foot on a roll, all NOS - in original shipping boxes on spools. This can be had in black or in that special yellow. (Everyone knows how special yellow rope is, sort of like a yellow housecat...) Tug with it, pull with it, lift with it, tag with it. Works great. Did I mention it was NEW old stock? Now - the best part. $100.00 per roll. Can you believe the madness? How can he sell it so low you ask? Cause it's crazy Blakes, and we are positively INSANE! Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: "Josh Luthman" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 10:55 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ham Fest What's the rope? On 3/25/10, Blake Bowers wrote: > If I don't get rid of some more of this rope I may have a 21 > foot trailer full of it at the flea market at Dayton. > > > Don't take your organs to heaven, > heaven knows we need them down here! > Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. > > - Original Message - > From: "RickG" > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 9:18 PM > Subject: [WISPA] Ham Fest > > >> OK, I got invited from a good friend to go to Ham Fest in Dayton in >> May. Anyone else going? >> -RickG >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ham Fest
I've got a buyer for you! Can you bring it? If so, I'll buy another. That way the spool wont be broken from the shipping. On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 11:45 PM, Blake Bowers wrote: > If I don't get rid of some more of this rope I may have a 21 > foot trailer full of it at the flea market at Dayton. > > > Don't take your organs to heaven, > heaven knows we need them down here! > Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. > > - Original Message - > From: "RickG" > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 9:18 PM > Subject: [WISPA] Ham Fest > > >> OK, I got invited from a good friend to go to Ham Fest in Dayton in >> May. Anyone else going? >> -RickG >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ham Fest
We'll be there Friday the 14th. I'll give you a shout when we arrive. I dont know much about the restaurants there but we should put something together. Who knows Dayton? On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 10:52 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: > Definitely! Let me know when you're in town and/or call me. > > On 3/25/10, RickG wrote: >> Josh, >> >> It would be cool to meet you. Maybe we can get a WISP lunch going? >> >> On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 10:27 PM, Josh Luthman >> wrote: >>> I've never been because it's so close. I may end up going this year. >>> >>> Josh Luthman >>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>> 1100 Wayne St >>> Suite 1337 >>> Troy, OH 45373 >>> >>> “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to >>> continue that counts.” >>> --- Winston Churchill >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 10:18 PM, RickG wrote: OK, I got invited from a good friend to go to Ham Fest in Dayton in May. Anyone else going? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > -- > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to > continue that counts.” > --- Winston Churchill > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ham Fest
Me either, but was always interested. It may be a good time to meet. We're going for the first day (Friday, May 14th). On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 10:44 PM, Justin Wilson wrote: > My buddy and I are going to go. Not sure what day. It¹s a fun time, > even though I am not a HAM. > -- > Justin Wilson > http://www.mtin.net > http://www.metrospan.net > > > > From: RickG > Reply-To: WISPA General List > Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 22:18:37 -0400 > To: WISPA General List > Subject: [WISPA] Ham Fest > > OK, I got invited from a good friend to go to Ham Fest in Dayton in > May. Anyone else going? > -RickG > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Email Hosting
We do. We love it, customers love it. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 7:17 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Email Hosting Josh, Do you use Google's ISP solution? On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 8:44 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: > I use Gmail. Don't get those calls. Still get some revenue. > > On 3/25/10, Robert West wrote: >> I dumped email hosting a couple of years ago and haven't looked back. >> >> In my situation, I found that over 2 thirds of the subs WERE NOT using the >> email but were with mostly Yahoo and a few other online services. I found >> myself having to deal with cleaning out junk mail from stagnant email >> accounts every few months and dealing with the mail server, backups and all >> that other stuff that I really had no time for. >> >> I kept the users who were on the system, stopped assigning email to the new >> subs and eventually we had zero mail users and I was done. If someone >> insists on mail, I'll assign one and charge an extra 5 bucks a month for it >> and add it to our domain which we now just host with a webhosting company. >> Simple and cheap. We've all had this discussion before and yes, I know it's >> cool to have your service name in emails being sent out all over but I >> really get no advertisement from that unless they are sending the emails >> local and even with that, the area already knows us. >> >> Ah. The joy of not getting the "My emails not workin'" phone >> calls. >> >> Bob- >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behalf Of Steve Barnes >> Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 6:25 PM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: [WISPA] Email Hosting >> >> I know that this has been discussed here last year but I am looking for >> updates. >> >> I am wondering what others are using for email hosting. My current service >> is low grade at best and I really do not want it brought back in-house. I >> only have about 500 Subs and 300 emails. Filtering, storage, bandwidth, and >> backup are all too much of a pain I would just prefer an affordable easy to >> transfer to service that doesn't kill my budget. I know Google has a >> service but I have not been able to get anyone to tell me that it is the >> perfect answer. I would also like a option to be able to give some clients >> an Exchange type of account, (sync to outlook or Blackberry) for more money >> and everyone else just a regular pop. >> >> Any recommendations? >> >> Steve Barnes >> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service >> >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > -- > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > "Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to > continue that counts." > --- Winston Churchill > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ham Fest
What's the rope? On 3/25/10, Blake Bowers wrote: > If I don't get rid of some more of this rope I may have a 21 > foot trailer full of it at the flea market at Dayton. > > > Don't take your organs to heaven, > heaven knows we need them down here! > Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. > > - Original Message - > From: "RickG" > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 9:18 PM > Subject: [WISPA] Ham Fest > > >> OK, I got invited from a good friend to go to Ham Fest in Dayton in >> May. Anyone else going? >> -RickG >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ham Fest
If I don't get rid of some more of this rope I may have a 21 foot trailer full of it at the flea market at Dayton. Don't take your organs to heaven, heaven knows we need them down here! Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today. - Original Message - From: "RickG" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 9:18 PM Subject: [WISPA] Ham Fest > OK, I got invited from a good friend to go to Ham Fest in Dayton in > May. Anyone else going? > -RickG > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Phone exchanges
Yea you have to pay a pretty good price for wire center maps. I think the last time I checked it was around $1500 per state. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Patrick Shoemaker Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 10:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Phone exchanges If you're looking for wire center maps, good luck- I've never been able to find them. Brian Webster says they are not freely available. Here are LATA maps but not in KML: http://www.latamaps.com/Telecom_Maps/Regional_LATA_maps/regional_lata_maps.h tml http://www.localcallingguide.com will probably be your best bet but I can't find any rate center maps there. Patrick Shoemaker Vector Data Systems LLC shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com office: (301) 358-1690 x36 http://www.vectordatasystems.com On 3/25/2010 5:16 PM, Scott Reed wrote: > Does anyone know where I can find a KML that shows telephone exchange > coverage? We need to know what areas we cover with our dial-up phone > numbers relative to our towers.. > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ham Fest
Definitely! Let me know when you're in town and/or call me. On 3/25/10, RickG wrote: > Josh, > > It would be cool to meet you. Maybe we can get a WISP lunch going? > > On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 10:27 PM, Josh Luthman > wrote: >> I've never been because it's so close. I may end up going this year. >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to >> continue that counts.” >> --- Winston Churchill >> >> >> >> On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 10:18 PM, RickG wrote: >>> OK, I got invited from a good friend to go to Ham Fest in Dayton in >>> May. Anyone else going? >>> -RickG >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ham Fest
My buddy and I are going to go. Not sure what day. It¹s a fun time, even though I am not a HAM. -- Justin Wilson http://www.mtin.net http://www.metrospan.net From: RickG Reply-To: WISPA General List Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 22:18:37 -0400 To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Ham Fest OK, I got invited from a good friend to go to Ham Fest in Dayton in May. Anyone else going? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Make a profit with lower pricing? Was: how tocompete with $15 DSL
Hmmm,good point,I guess it works both ways,I think it is that way everywhere.Not sure what market Bob is working,I guess it depends if he has competition.Either way,well put Rick..One must remember to look at both sides! --- On Thu, 3/25/10, RickG wrote: From: RickG Subject: Re: [WISPA] Make a profit with lower pricing? Was: how tocompete with $15 DSL To: "WISPA General List" Date: Thursday, March 25, 2010, 10:29 PM Around here they would call and say "cancel my account, you're internet is slow and I switched to DSL or cable". And then I'd say but you can have faster if you buy our... . No second chances around here. Give them speed and reliability or they switch in a heartbeat. I just picked up a bunch of subs because Windstream DSL is slow and unreliaible. They need to replace the 100+ year old lines. Windstream even offered free months etc. Everyone that can get our service switched without hesitation even with a $200 install fee. On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 9:52 PM, Jason Bailey wrote: > Bob,what a great tool!When grandma comes in and says..Facebook is running so > slow???Well,for customers such as yourself,we offer this High-Speed > option,let me tell you about it,and btwyou can set-up recurring payments > to make your life easier!!!Were here to help you > > --- On Thu, 3/25/10, RickG wrote: > > > From: RickG > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Make a profit with lower pricing? Was: how tocompete > with $15 DSL > To: "WISPA General List" > Date: Thursday, March 25, 2010, 9:36 PM > > > Bob, > > Not putting you down but it depends on your circumstances. If you want > "walk-in" traffic and to spend time on a $5.99/month account then > great. For me, I'd rather work on high dollar accounts. What works for > some, may not work for others. Thats what makes the world go round! > > On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 1:51 PM, Patrick Leary wrote: >> Love it. Good stuff and very savvy. >> >> >> Patrick Leary >> Aperto Networks >> 813.426.4230 mobile >> >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behalf Of Robert West >> Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 10:20 AM >> To: 'WISPA General List' >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Make a profit with lower pricing? Was: how tocompete >> with $15 DSL >> >> We've been selling a "loss leader" dial up service for $5.99 for 10 years >> now. We don't lose anything and only make a couple of bucks per user but we >> get the payback on the backend. The 5.99 service, they have to come into >> our retail store to sign up for it and to pay the bill. No online or phone >> payments. Made a lot of customers that way who give us cash for other >> services since they have to see us anyway. We still have over 200 dial up >> customers and every month those 200 have to come in and see our smiling >> faces. >> >> Bob- >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behalf Of RickG >> Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 12:51 PM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Make a profit with lower pricing? Was: how to compete >> with $15 DSL >> >> I'm sure they dont. For me, I dont pay attention to the cheap advertised >> prices. For others, I suspect that what they do is compare pricing and get a >> relative feeling for a benchmark. Of course, they also compare features & >> benefits then choose the laptop that fits their needs and/or budget. With >> all due respect, I dont see much correlation between internet service >> (monthly service) and purchasing a laptop (one time purchase). I tried to >> offer a low, loss leader a while back as a test and the ones who took it >> never upgraded. I dont see any reason to offer it but then I'm fortunate not >> to have any competition. >> >> On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 11:06 AM, Robert West >> wrote: >>> A very well known example.. >>> >>> Dell. >>> >>> Dell advertises $400.00 systems and laptops. Anyone here ever end up >>> with one at the advertised price? Probably not many. >>> >>> Bob- >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >>> On Behalf Of Robert West >>> Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 10:55 AM >>> To: 'WISPA General List' >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Make a profit with lower pricing? Was: how to >>> compete with $15 DSL >>> >>> We start at 29 bucks. The way I think, you always need the "bait" to >> bring >>> them in, such as a low price. It's all sales after that. Bump up to >>> a higher tier, equipment insurance, service call plan... etc. On the >>> face >> of >>> it, we look very inexpensive but the customer almost always elects to >>> upgrade or add on something. My favorite is a customer who calls >>> about >> the >>> $29.00 plan but ends up asking "Do you have anything faster?" (Big >>> Smile) >>> >>> Bob- >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >
Re: [WISPA] Ham Fest
Josh, It would be cool to meet you. Maybe we can get a WISP lunch going? On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 10:27 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: > I've never been because it's so close. I may end up going this year. > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to > continue that counts.” > --- Winston Churchill > > > > On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 10:18 PM, RickG wrote: >> OK, I got invited from a good friend to go to Ham Fest in Dayton in >> May. Anyone else going? >> -RickG >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Phone exchanges
LERG access is expensive for sure! Maybe you can find enough info here --> http://www.telcodata.us/telcodata/telco?gclid=COio9_av1aACFQOjiQod-T9itA or here --> http://www.dslreports.com/coinfo Otherwi$e: http://www.npanxxsource.com/npanxx.htm?referer=google&gclid=CPLB7Imv1aACFQ1lgwodBgVGtg -RickG On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 10:24 PM, Patrick Shoemaker wrote: > If you're looking for wire center maps, good luck- I've never been able > to find them. Brian Webster says they are not freely available. > > Here are LATA maps but not in KML: > > http://www.latamaps.com/Telecom_Maps/Regional_LATA_maps/regional_lata_maps.html > > http://www.localcallingguide.com will probably be your best bet but I > can't find any rate center maps there. > > Patrick Shoemaker > Vector Data Systems LLC > shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com > office: (301) 358-1690 x36 > http://www.vectordatasystems.com > > > On 3/25/2010 5:16 PM, Scott Reed wrote: >> Does anyone know where I can find a KML that shows telephone exchange >> coverage? We need to know what areas we cover with our dial-up phone >> numbers relative to our towers.. >> >> > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Ham Fest
As a ham,i will say Dayton rocks,There are all kinds of deals a ham or wisp can love!!!Just be sure you have cash and alot of time on your hands! --- On Thu, 3/25/10, Josh Luthman wrote: From: Josh Luthman Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ham Fest To: "WISPA General List" Date: Thursday, March 25, 2010, 10:27 PM I've never been because it's so close. I may end up going this year. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 10:18 PM, RickG wrote: > OK, I got invited from a good friend to go to Ham Fest in Dayton in > May. Anyone else going? > -RickG > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Make a profit with lower pricing? Was: how tocompete with $15 DSL
Around here they would call and say "cancel my account, you're internet is slow and I switched to DSL or cable". And then I'd say but you can have faster if you buy our... . No second chances around here. Give them speed and reliability or they switch in a heartbeat. I just picked up a bunch of subs because Windstream DSL is slow and unreliaible. They need to replace the 100+ year old lines. Windstream even offered free months etc. Everyone that can get our service switched without hesitation even with a $200 install fee. On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 9:52 PM, Jason Bailey wrote: > Bob,what a great tool!When grandma comes in and says..Facebook is running so > slow???Well,for customers such as yourself,we offer this High-Speed > option,let me tell you about it,and btwyou can set-up recurring payments > to make your life easier!!!Were here to help you > > --- On Thu, 3/25/10, RickG wrote: > > > From: RickG > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Make a profit with lower pricing? Was: how tocompete > with $15 DSL > To: "WISPA General List" > Date: Thursday, March 25, 2010, 9:36 PM > > > Bob, > > Not putting you down but it depends on your circumstances. If you want > "walk-in" traffic and to spend time on a $5.99/month account then > great. For me, I'd rather work on high dollar accounts. What works for > some, may not work for others. Thats what makes the world go round! > > On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 1:51 PM, Patrick Leary wrote: >> Love it. Good stuff and very savvy. >> >> >> Patrick Leary >> Aperto Networks >> 813.426.4230 mobile >> >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behalf Of Robert West >> Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 10:20 AM >> To: 'WISPA General List' >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Make a profit with lower pricing? Was: how tocompete >> with $15 DSL >> >> We've been selling a "loss leader" dial up service for $5.99 for 10 years >> now. We don't lose anything and only make a couple of bucks per user but we >> get the payback on the backend. The 5.99 service, they have to come into >> our retail store to sign up for it and to pay the bill. No online or phone >> payments. Made a lot of customers that way who give us cash for other >> services since they have to see us anyway. We still have over 200 dial up >> customers and every month those 200 have to come in and see our smiling >> faces. >> >> Bob- >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behalf Of RickG >> Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 12:51 PM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Make a profit with lower pricing? Was: how to compete >> with $15 DSL >> >> I'm sure they dont. For me, I dont pay attention to the cheap advertised >> prices. For others, I suspect that what they do is compare pricing and get a >> relative feeling for a benchmark. Of course, they also compare features & >> benefits then choose the laptop that fits their needs and/or budget. With >> all due respect, I dont see much correlation between internet service >> (monthly service) and purchasing a laptop (one time purchase). I tried to >> offer a low, loss leader a while back as a test and the ones who took it >> never upgraded. I dont see any reason to offer it but then I'm fortunate not >> to have any competition. >> >> On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 11:06 AM, Robert West >> wrote: >>> A very well known example.. >>> >>> Dell. >>> >>> Dell advertises $400.00 systems and laptops. Anyone here ever end up >>> with one at the advertised price? Probably not many. >>> >>> Bob- >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >>> On Behalf Of Robert West >>> Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 10:55 AM >>> To: 'WISPA General List' >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Make a profit with lower pricing? Was: how to >>> compete with $15 DSL >>> >>> We start at 29 bucks. The way I think, you always need the "bait" to >> bring >>> them in, such as a low price. It's all sales after that. Bump up to >>> a higher tier, equipment insurance, service call plan... etc. On the >>> face >> of >>> it, we look very inexpensive but the customer almost always elects to >>> upgrade or add on something. My favorite is a customer who calls >>> about >> the >>> $29.00 plan but ends up asking "Do you have anything faster?" (Big >>> Smile) >>> >>> Bob- >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >>> On Behalf Of RickG >>> Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 12:21 AM >>> To: WISPA General List >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Make a profit with lower pricing? Was: how to >>> compete with $15 DSL >>> >>> But what is your ARPU? >>> >>> On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 12:02 AM, Travis Johnson wrote: Hi, I have packages starting at $29.95/month and I'm quite profitable... have been for over 12 years now... :) Travis >>>
Re: [WISPA] Ham Fest
I've never been because it's so close. I may end up going this year. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 10:18 PM, RickG wrote: > OK, I got invited from a good friend to go to Ham Fest in Dayton in > May. Anyone else going? > -RickG > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Phone exchanges
If you're looking for wire center maps, good luck- I've never been able to find them. Brian Webster says they are not freely available. Here are LATA maps but not in KML: http://www.latamaps.com/Telecom_Maps/Regional_LATA_maps/regional_lata_maps.html http://www.localcallingguide.com will probably be your best bet but I can't find any rate center maps there. Patrick Shoemaker Vector Data Systems LLC shoemak...@vectordatasystems.com office: (301) 358-1690 x36 http://www.vectordatasystems.com On 3/25/2010 5:16 PM, Scott Reed wrote: > Does anyone know where I can find a KML that shows telephone exchange > coverage? We need to know what areas we cover with our dial-up phone > numbers relative to our towers.. > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Ham Fest
OK, I got invited from a good friend to go to Ham Fest in Dayton in May. Anyone else going? -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Email Hosting
Josh, Do you use Google's ISP solution? On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 8:44 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: > I use Gmail. Don't get those calls. Still get some revenue. > > On 3/25/10, Robert West wrote: >> I dumped email hosting a couple of years ago and haven't looked back. >> >> In my situation, I found that over 2 thirds of the subs WERE NOT using the >> email but were with mostly Yahoo and a few other online services. I found >> myself having to deal with cleaning out junk mail from stagnant email >> accounts every few months and dealing with the mail server, backups and all >> that other stuff that I really had no time for. >> >> I kept the users who were on the system, stopped assigning email to the new >> subs and eventually we had zero mail users and I was done. If someone >> insists on mail, I'll assign one and charge an extra 5 bucks a month for it >> and add it to our domain which we now just host with a webhosting company. >> Simple and cheap. We've all had this discussion before and yes, I know it's >> cool to have your service name in emails being sent out all over but I >> really get no advertisement from that unless they are sending the emails >> local and even with that, the area already knows us. >> >> Ah. The joy of not getting the "My emails not workin'" phone >> calls. >> >> Bob- >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behalf Of Steve Barnes >> Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 6:25 PM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: [WISPA] Email Hosting >> >> I know that this has been discussed here last year but I am looking for >> updates. >> >> I am wondering what others are using for email hosting. My current service >> is low grade at best and I really do not want it brought back in-house. I >> only have about 500 Subs and 300 emails. Filtering, storage, bandwidth, and >> backup are all too much of a pain I would just prefer an affordable easy to >> transfer to service that doesn't kill my budget. I know Google has a >> service but I have not been able to get anyone to tell me that it is the >> perfect answer. I would also like a option to be able to give some clients >> an Exchange type of account, (sync to outlook or Blackberry) for more money >> and everyone else just a regular pop. >> >> Any recommendations? >> >> Steve Barnes >> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service >> >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > -- > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to > continue that counts.” > --- Winston Churchill > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Email Hosting
After trying in-house and other hosting for years I finally ended up at surpasshosting.com about 5 years ago. They use WHM and CPanel, have very few issues and quick responses when they do. They are not the cheapest but not expensive either. While in Florida, I visited their twin data centers. Done very professional. -RickG On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 6:25 PM, Steve Barnes wrote: > I know that this has been discussed here last year but I am looking for > updates. > > I am wondering what others are using for email hosting. My current service > is low grade at best and I really do not want it brought back in-house. I > only have about 500 Subs and 300 emails. Filtering, storage, bandwidth, and > backup are all too much of a pain I would just prefer an affordable easy to > transfer to service that doesn't kill my budget. I know Google has a service > but I have not been able to get anyone to tell me that it is the perfect > answer. I would also like a option to be able to give some clients an > Exchange type of account, (sync to outlook or Blackberry) for more money and > everyone else just a regular pop. > > Any recommendations? > > Steve Barnes > RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL
I was expecting you to chime in Tom :) Thats exactly what I'm talking about and agree 100%. I cant figure out how $24.95 or even $29.95 works. But then, what number does? I realize when talking dollars that everyone's answer will vary because of a number of factors. But on a percentage basis, does 5% of gross revenue for a bottom line net profit work? We know it cant be 0%. I've seen companys try 0% or even less net profit to grab market share but sooner or later they've go to pay the piper. Ignoring that scenario, isnt profitability what really dictates your price? Its a balancing act for sure. If your income(price) is too low and expense(costs) are too high then you cant acheive the 5%-10% and please your wallet. On the contrary, you cant take too much profit or you wont be able to put it back into the business (upgrades, etc) and please the customers. So, I go back to what Jayson said: "Jayson Baker wrote: "$24.95/mo gets you 12Mbps/6Mbps. $49.95/mo gets you 20Mbps/6Mbps. We guarantee minimums--not just an "up to" speed." I want to know how he is doing it and if it is sustainable. If so, then I want to do it too. -RickG On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 4:28 PM, Tom DeReggi wrote: > There is only one way to make money at $24.95, and that is to stop answering > the phone. Setup a fancy website for self help everything. And customer is > on their own. > I'm all for Self-help as an OPTION, but not as a forced requirement. We all > know what I'm talking about all the things consumers complain about that > are a repurcussion of $24.95 service. > Phones answered by reception level skill sets. Billing disputes that are > solved by disconnecting service on teh 2nd of the month, if the consumer > didn't pay online regardless of whether there was a valid dispute. The > customer down for a week, and nobody at teh provider really knew, and if > they did and were called on it, they point to the clause in the Terms and > conditions that says "30days". The type of installs, where the Dish gets > installed right over the front door, because the installer was to lazy to > get his ladder of the truck, and the 1hr allowed for install didn;t allow a > more resourceful method to obtain a cosmetic appealing way to get LOS. The > self-install that generates 50% packet loss, and degrades the network > performance for all, but so what, its a Best Effort, right? > > Personally, I'll never do business that way. The day I have to be a $24.95 > provider, I'll do something else. Some people may think otherwise, and are > better at that game than I. > > Please note... I'm referring to provisioned Fixed Service meant to compete > against DSL/cable quality. I'm not talking about HotSpot type Wifi, that can > be done profitably at $15/month, because there are different expectations. > > I just keep thinking of the recent Giant Foods experiment. One of our local > stores became the test bed for self check out registers. Instead of having > 10 lanes with a person and 2 self check lines, this store actually converted > like 10 lanes to self-checkout and 2 with a person. Its a night mare. > Soemtimes for fun, I just watch the people going through the self-check and > how frustrated they get. Self bagging was OK, but struggling to find the > label, and getting that darn beeper to recognize the bar codes, and trying > to watch a 3 year old or three at the same time as jumping back and forth > between the middle of the line where the scanner is and the back of the lane > where the grocery cart unscanned groceries sit and the front of the line > where the finished scanned groceries are put, What a night mare. All it did > was create these huge lines at the two lanes that actually had a person > there. 50% of the stores customers ether started shopping at a different > Giant that still employed people, or started going to Safeway accross the > street. Its the best example that I've ever seen that has proven people > want ease, peice of mind, and service. Or... maybe even the friendly > relationship to speak to a person, after being cooped up in the house all > day. People dont want to troubleshoot their Internet service anymore than > they want to go to the self-checkout lane with a full cart of groceries. > And when they want some help, they want one of those special help customer > service desks like most Giant's have, they dont want to wait in line. > > Just my 2 cents. > > > Tom DeReggi > RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc > IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband > > > - Original Message - > From: "Scott Reed" > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 3:38 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL > > >> Your question has some of the answer in it. What do you want for ROI >> (return on investment) timing? The answer to that helps determine >> installation charge and how much you have to charge per month. >> >> RickG wrote: >>> Sure but I'm more curious about the business model for making money at >>> such lo
Re: [WISPA] Make a profit with lower pricing? Was: how tocompete with $15 DSL
Bob,what a great tool!When grandma comes in and says..Facebook is running so slow???Well,for customers such as yourself,we offer this High-Speed option,let me tell you about it,and btwyou can set-up recurring payments to make your life easier!!!Were here to help you --- On Thu, 3/25/10, RickG wrote: From: RickG Subject: Re: [WISPA] Make a profit with lower pricing? Was: how tocompete with $15 DSL To: "WISPA General List" Date: Thursday, March 25, 2010, 9:36 PM Bob, Not putting you down but it depends on your circumstances. If you want "walk-in" traffic and to spend time on a $5.99/month account then great. For me, I'd rather work on high dollar accounts. What works for some, may not work for others. Thats what makes the world go round! On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 1:51 PM, Patrick Leary wrote: > Love it. Good stuff and very savvy. > > > Patrick Leary > Aperto Networks > 813.426.4230 mobile > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Robert West > Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 10:20 AM > To: 'WISPA General List' > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Make a profit with lower pricing? Was: how tocompete > with $15 DSL > > We've been selling a "loss leader" dial up service for $5.99 for 10 years > now. We don't lose anything and only make a couple of bucks per user but we > get the payback on the backend. The 5.99 service, they have to come into our > retail store to sign up for it and to pay the bill. No online or phone > payments. Made a lot of customers that way who give us cash for other > services since they have to see us anyway. We still have over 200 dial up > customers and every month those 200 have to come in and see our smiling faces. > > Bob- > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of RickG > Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 12:51 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Make a profit with lower pricing? Was: how to compete > with $15 DSL > > I'm sure they dont. For me, I dont pay attention to the cheap advertised > prices. For others, I suspect that what they do is compare pricing and get a > relative feeling for a benchmark. Of course, they also compare features & > benefits then choose the laptop that fits their needs and/or budget. With all > due respect, I dont see much correlation between internet service (monthly > service) and purchasing a laptop (one time purchase). I tried to offer a low, > loss leader a while back as a test and the ones who took it never upgraded. I > dont see any reason to offer it but then I'm fortunate not to have any > competition. > > On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 11:06 AM, Robert West > wrote: >> A very well known example.. >> >> Dell. >> >> Dell advertises $400.00 systems and laptops. Anyone here ever end up >> with one at the advertised price? Probably not many. >> >> Bob- >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >> On Behalf Of Robert West >> Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 10:55 AM >> To: 'WISPA General List' >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Make a profit with lower pricing? Was: how to >> compete with $15 DSL >> >> We start at 29 bucks. The way I think, you always need the "bait" to > bring >> them in, such as a low price. It's all sales after that. Bump up to >> a higher tier, equipment insurance, service call plan... etc. On the >> face > of >> it, we look very inexpensive but the customer almost always elects to >> upgrade or add on something. My favorite is a customer who calls >> about > the >> $29.00 plan but ends up asking "Do you have anything faster?" (Big >> Smile) >> >> Bob- >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >> On Behalf Of RickG >> Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 12:21 AM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Make a profit with lower pricing? Was: how to >> compete with $15 DSL >> >> But what is your ARPU? >> >> On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 12:02 AM, Travis Johnson wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> I have packages starting at $29.95/month and I'm quite profitable... >>> have been for over 12 years now... :) >>> >>> Travis >>> Microserv >>> >>> RickG wrote: Bob, We do the same here. Day one ROI upon installation. Not having any problems getting customers, In fact, we're growing faster than we ever have. Of course, there is a lot more to the cost of operating than just ROI upon install. Our lowest plan is $49.99/month. Which is the reason I responded to Jayson's post: Jayson Baker wrote: "$24.95/mo gets you 12Mbps/6Mbps. $49.95/mo gets you 20Mbps/6Mbps. We guarantee minimums--not just an "up to" speed" I'm always game to learn something. Every business model I've ever done only shows profit at $50/month ARPU. I'm just wondering if & where I'm going wrong.
Re: [WISPA] Make a profit with lower pricing? Was: how tocompete with $15 DSL
Bob, Not putting you down but it depends on your circumstances. If you want "walk-in" traffic and to spend time on a $5.99/month account then great. For me, I'd rather work on high dollar accounts. What works for some, may not work for others. Thats what makes the world go round! On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 1:51 PM, Patrick Leary wrote: > Love it. Good stuff and very savvy. > > > Patrick Leary > Aperto Networks > 813.426.4230 mobile > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Robert West > Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 10:20 AM > To: 'WISPA General List' > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Make a profit with lower pricing? Was: how tocompete > with $15 DSL > > We've been selling a "loss leader" dial up service for $5.99 for 10 years > now. We don't lose anything and only make a couple of bucks per user but we > get the payback on the backend. The 5.99 service, they have to come into our > retail store to sign up for it and to pay the bill. No online or phone > payments. Made a lot of customers that way who give us cash for other > services since they have to see us anyway. We still have over 200 dial up > customers and every month those 200 have to come in and see our smiling faces. > > Bob- > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of RickG > Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 12:51 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Make a profit with lower pricing? Was: how to compete > with $15 DSL > > I'm sure they dont. For me, I dont pay attention to the cheap advertised > prices. For others, I suspect that what they do is compare pricing and get a > relative feeling for a benchmark. Of course, they also compare features & > benefits then choose the laptop that fits their needs and/or budget. With all > due respect, I dont see much correlation between internet service (monthly > service) and purchasing a laptop (one time purchase). I tried to offer a low, > loss leader a while back as a test and the ones who took it never upgraded. I > dont see any reason to offer it but then I'm fortunate not to have any > competition. > > On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 11:06 AM, Robert West > wrote: >> A very well known example.. >> >> Dell. >> >> Dell advertises $400.00 systems and laptops. Anyone here ever end up >> with one at the advertised price? Probably not many. >> >> Bob- >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >> On Behalf Of Robert West >> Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 10:55 AM >> To: 'WISPA General List' >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Make a profit with lower pricing? Was: how to >> compete with $15 DSL >> >> We start at 29 bucks. The way I think, you always need the "bait" to > bring >> them in, such as a low price. It's all sales after that. Bump up to >> a higher tier, equipment insurance, service call plan... etc. On the >> face > of >> it, we look very inexpensive but the customer almost always elects to >> upgrade or add on something. My favorite is a customer who calls >> about > the >> $29.00 plan but ends up asking "Do you have anything faster?" (Big >> Smile) >> >> Bob- >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >> On Behalf Of RickG >> Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 12:21 AM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Make a profit with lower pricing? Was: how to >> compete with $15 DSL >> >> But what is your ARPU? >> >> On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 12:02 AM, Travis Johnson wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> I have packages starting at $29.95/month and I'm quite profitable... >>> have been for over 12 years now... :) >>> >>> Travis >>> Microserv >>> >>> RickG wrote: Bob, We do the same here. Day one ROI upon installation. Not having any problems getting customers, In fact, we're growing faster than we ever have. Of course, there is a lot more to the cost of operating than just ROI upon install. Our lowest plan is $49.99/month. Which is the reason I responded to Jayson's post: Jayson Baker wrote: "$24.95/mo gets you 12Mbps/6Mbps. $49.95/mo gets you 20Mbps/6Mbps. We guarantee minimums--not just an "up to" speed" I'm always game to learn something. Every business model I've ever done only shows profit at $50/month ARPU. I'm just wondering if & where I'm going wrong. -RickG On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 6:34 PM, Robert West > >> wrote: > Using UBNT, we have a zero day ROI. We pay the salesperson a > commission >> and > the installer is paid by the job. Thus, the install fee and first > month > service covers it all including the price of the radio/antenna. > After >> that, > the monthly charge comes with not much effort unless the customer > turns >> out > to be high maintenance and with that, we just s
Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] OT: Barracuda Updates?
Yes, I did an integration of their template directly into our website. Works very well. Very easy to use and maintain. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Kelley Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 9:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] OT: Barracuda Updates? fully brandable as well :-) On Mar 25, 2010, at 9:14 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote: > Maia MailGuard is a very nice frontend/control panel for it. > > Regards, > Chuck Hogg > Shelby Broadband > 502-722-9292 > ch...@shelbybb.com > http://www.shelbybb.com > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > On > Behalf Of Curtis Maurand > Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 3:22 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] OT: Barracuda Updates? > > > I've been running a similar setup on Gentoo Linux. > > MySQL > dbmail > postfix > spamassassin > fuzzyOCR > amavisd-new > clamav > > It all just works, its stable and not too hard to manage. You won't > find a cool control panel. > > These are the technologies that Barracuda uses in their "appliances." > > > > > On 3/24/2010 4:53 PM, Justin Wilson wrote: >> Chuck turned me on to PurpleHat a month of so ago. We are in the > process >> of testing it on some domains. Most of the packages within it are > ones that >> continually get updated. >> >> This might help: >> http://www.purplehat.org/?page_id=4 >> >> BTW: We are running it in a Virtual Machine and so far so good. >> > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] OT: Barracuda Updates?
fully brandable as well :-) On Mar 25, 2010, at 9:14 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote: > Maia MailGuard is a very nice frontend/control panel for it. > > Regards, > Chuck Hogg > Shelby Broadband > 502-722-9292 > ch...@shelbybb.com > http://www.shelbybb.com > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > On > Behalf Of Curtis Maurand > Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 3:22 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] OT: Barracuda Updates? > > > I've been running a similar setup on Gentoo Linux. > > MySQL > dbmail > postfix > spamassassin > fuzzyOCR > amavisd-new > clamav > > It all just works, its stable and not too hard to manage. You won't > find a cool control panel. > > These are the technologies that Barracuda uses in their "appliances." > > > > > On 3/24/2010 4:53 PM, Justin Wilson wrote: >> Chuck turned me on to PurpleHat a month of so ago. We are in the > process >> of testing it on some domains. Most of the packages within it are > ones that >> continually get updated. >> >> This might help: >> http://www.purplehat.org/?page_id=4 >> >> BTW: We are running it in a Virtual Machine and so far so good. >> > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] OT: Barracuda Updates?
Maia MailGuard is a very nice frontend/control panel for it. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Curtis Maurand Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 3:22 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] OT: Barracuda Updates? I've been running a similar setup on Gentoo Linux. MySQL dbmail postfix spamassassin fuzzyOCR amavisd-new clamav It all just works, its stable and not too hard to manage. You won't find a cool control panel. These are the technologies that Barracuda uses in their "appliances." On 3/24/2010 4:53 PM, Justin Wilson wrote: > Chuck turned me on to PurpleHat a month of so ago. We are in the process > of testing it on some domains. Most of the packages within it are ones that > continually get updated. > > This might help: > http://www.purplehat.org/?page_id=4 > > BTW: We are running it in a Virtual Machine and so far so good. > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Email Hosting
I use Gmail. Don't get those calls. Still get some revenue. On 3/25/10, Robert West wrote: > I dumped email hosting a couple of years ago and haven't looked back. > > In my situation, I found that over 2 thirds of the subs WERE NOT using the > email but were with mostly Yahoo and a few other online services. I found > myself having to deal with cleaning out junk mail from stagnant email > accounts every few months and dealing with the mail server, backups and all > that other stuff that I really had no time for. > > I kept the users who were on the system, stopped assigning email to the new > subs and eventually we had zero mail users and I was done. If someone > insists on mail, I'll assign one and charge an extra 5 bucks a month for it > and add it to our domain which we now just host with a webhosting company. > Simple and cheap. We've all had this discussion before and yes, I know it's > cool to have your service name in emails being sent out all over but I > really get no advertisement from that unless they are sending the emails > local and even with that, the area already knows us. > > Ah. The joy of not getting the "My emails not workin'" phone > calls. > > Bob- > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Steve Barnes > Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 6:25 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: [WISPA] Email Hosting > > I know that this has been discussed here last year but I am looking for > updates. > > I am wondering what others are using for email hosting. My current service > is low grade at best and I really do not want it brought back in-house. I > only have about 500 Subs and 300 emails. Filtering, storage, bandwidth, and > backup are all too much of a pain I would just prefer an affordable easy to > transfer to service that doesn't kill my budget. I know Google has a > service but I have not been able to get anyone to tell me that it is the > perfect answer. I would also like a option to be able to give some clients > an Exchange type of account, (sync to outlook or Blackberry) for more money > and everyone else just a regular pop. > > Any recommendations? > > Steve Barnes > RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Email Hosting
I dumped email hosting a couple of years ago and haven't looked back. In my situation, I found that over 2 thirds of the subs WERE NOT using the email but were with mostly Yahoo and a few other online services. I found myself having to deal with cleaning out junk mail from stagnant email accounts every few months and dealing with the mail server, backups and all that other stuff that I really had no time for. I kept the users who were on the system, stopped assigning email to the new subs and eventually we had zero mail users and I was done. If someone insists on mail, I'll assign one and charge an extra 5 bucks a month for it and add it to our domain which we now just host with a webhosting company. Simple and cheap. We've all had this discussion before and yes, I know it's cool to have your service name in emails being sent out all over but I really get no advertisement from that unless they are sending the emails local and even with that, the area already knows us. Ah. The joy of not getting the "My emails not workin'" phone calls. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 6:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Email Hosting I know that this has been discussed here last year but I am looking for updates. I am wondering what others are using for email hosting. My current service is low grade at best and I really do not want it brought back in-house. I only have about 500 Subs and 300 emails. Filtering, storage, bandwidth, and backup are all too much of a pain I would just prefer an affordable easy to transfer to service that doesn't kill my budget. I know Google has a service but I have not been able to get anyone to tell me that it is the perfect answer. I would also like a option to be able to give some clients an Exchange type of account, (sync to outlook or Blackberry) for more money and everyone else just a regular pop. Any recommendations? Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL
Recently this topic came up (maybe it was even this same thread near the start) that someone mentioned that the companies who are doing give-away priced internet were the companies which have are getting government subsides for the land lines and it's the subsidies which are their bread and butter. So for them it's not really $15.99 or $19.99 internet, that's just the customer's portion, their real number is higher. That market is poisoned by the subsidy. Someone with no subsidy can't make money there at the same price with the same service. Greg On Mar 25, 2010, at 3:58 PM, Tom DeReggi wrote: > There is only one way to make money at $24.95, and that is to stop answering > the phone. Setup a fancy website for self help everything. And customer is > on their own. > I'm all for Self-help as an OPTION, but not as a forced requirement. We all > know what I'm talking about all the things consumers complain about that > are a repurcussion of $24.95 service. > Phones answered by reception level skill sets. Billing disputes that are > solved by disconnecting service on teh 2nd of the month, if the consumer > didn't pay online regardless of whether there was a valid dispute. The > customer down for a week, and nobody at teh provider really knew, and if > they did and were called on it, they point to the clause in the Terms and > conditions that says "30days". The type of installs, where the Dish gets > installed right over the front door, because the installer was to lazy to > get his ladder of the truck, and the 1hr allowed for install didn;t allow a > more resourceful method to obtain a cosmetic appealing way to get LOS. The > self-install that generates 50% packet loss, and degrades the network > performance for all, but so what, its a Best Effort, right? > > Personally, I'll never do business that way. The day I have to be a $24.95 > provider, I'll do something else. Some people may think otherwise, and are > better at that game than I. > > Please note... I'm referring to provisioned Fixed Service meant to compete > against DSL/cable quality. I'm not talking about HotSpot type Wifi, that can > be done profitably at $15/month, because there are different expectations. > > I just keep thinking of the recent Giant Foods experiment. One of our local > stores became the test bed for self check out registers. Instead of having > 10 lanes with a person and 2 self check lines, this store actually converted > like 10 lanes to self-checkout and 2 with a person. Its a night mare. > Soemtimes for fun, I just watch the people going through the self-check and > how frustrated they get. Self bagging was OK, but struggling to find the > label, and getting that darn beeper to recognize the bar codes, and trying > to watch a 3 year old or three at the same time as jumping back and forth > between the middle of the line where the scanner is and the back of the lane > where the grocery cart unscanned groceries sit and the front of the line > where the finished scanned groceries are put, What a night mare. All it did > was create these huge lines at the two lanes that actually had a person > there. 50% of the stores customers ether started shopping at a different > Giant that still employed people, or started going to Safeway accross the > street. Its the best example that I've ever seen that has proven people > want ease, peice of mind, and service. Or... maybe even the friendly > relationship to speak to a person, after being cooped up in the house all > day. People dont want to troubleshoot their Internet service anymore than > they want to go to the self-checkout lane with a full cart of groceries. > And when they want some help, they want one of those special help customer > service desks like most Giant's have, they dont want to wait in line. > > Just my 2 cents. > > > Tom DeReggi > RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc > IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband > > > - Original Message - > From: "Scott Reed" > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 3:38 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL > > >> Your question has some of the answer in it. What do you want for ROI >> (return on investment) timing? The answer to that helps determine >> installation charge and how much you have to charge per month. >> >> RickG wrote: >>> Sure but I'm more curious about the business model for making money at >>> such low prices. UBNT is priced right and certainly helps but it would >>> still be tough to make a profit at only $24.95/month. I havent seen >>> one a financial discusion on the list in a very long time. I though >>> market share models died a long time ago. Are people still out there >>> losing money in the short term in order to make money on the long >>> term? >>> >>> On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 2:39 PM, Mike Hammett >>> wrote: >>> Mikrotik, StarOS, or UBNT could all deliver those speeds. - Mike Hammett >>
Re: [WISPA] Email Hosting
Oh, and they have exchange also. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 25, 2010, at 5:25 PM, Steve Barnes wrote: > I know that this has been discussed here last year but I am looking > for updates. > > I am wondering what others are using for email hosting. My current > service is low grade at best and I really do not want it brought > back in-house. I only have about 500 Subs and 300 emails. > Filtering, storage, bandwidth, and backup are all too much of a pain > I would just prefer an affordable easy to transfer to service that > doesn't kill my budget. I know Google has a service but I have not > been able to get anyone to tell me that it is the perfect answer. I > would also like a option to be able to give some clients an Exchange > type of account, (sync to outlook or Blackberry) for more money and > everyone else just a regular pop. > > Any recommendations? > > Steve Barnes > RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service > > > > --- > --- > --- > --- > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > --- > --- > --- > --- > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Email Hosting
Fasthosts.com. 50.00/month unlimited domains and unlimited standard email accounts. Not saying that is the beat solution, just what we use. Completely white label if you get all the extras that have one time costs. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 25, 2010, at 5:25 PM, Steve Barnes wrote: > I know that this has been discussed here last year but I am looking > for updates. > > I am wondering what others are using for email hosting. My current > service is low grade at best and I really do not want it brought > back in-house. I only have about 500 Subs and 300 emails. > Filtering, storage, bandwidth, and backup are all too much of a pain > I would just prefer an affordable easy to transfer to service that > doesn't kill my budget. I know Google has a service but I have not > been able to get anyone to tell me that it is the perfect answer. I > would also like a option to be able to give some clients an Exchange > type of account, (sync to outlook or Blackberry) for more money and > everyone else just a regular pop. > > Any recommendations? > > Steve Barnes > RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service > > > > --- > --- > --- > --- > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > --- > --- > --- > --- > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Email Hosting
I know that this has been discussed here last year but I am looking for updates. I am wondering what others are using for email hosting. My current service is low grade at best and I really do not want it brought back in-house. I only have about 500 Subs and 300 emails. Filtering, storage, bandwidth, and backup are all too much of a pain I would just prefer an affordable easy to transfer to service that doesn't kill my budget. I know Google has a service but I have not been able to get anyone to tell me that it is the perfect answer. I would also like a option to be able to give some clients an Exchange type of account, (sync to outlook or Blackberry) for more money and everyone else just a regular pop. Any recommendations? Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Article about Verizon from the Post
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/03/24/AR2010032403 106_pf.html Telecom giant challenges FCC role in broadband By Cecilia Kang Washington Post Staff Writer Thursday, March 25, 2010; A14 One of the nation's biggest telecommunications providers urged the Federal Communications Commission on Wednesday not to assert its authority over Internet services, a challenge that comes as the agency embarks on a 10-year effort to greatly expand broadband access across the country. Verizon Communications said that the FCC's power over high-speed Internet services is "at best murky" and offered recommendations to Congress that could take away much of the agency's power. Tom Tauke, Verizon's top lobbyist, urged lawmakers to rethink the way the government oversees broadband, arguing that the FCC should shift to more of an enforcement role -- like that of the Federal Trade Commission -- from its current status as a rule-making body. "In my view, the current statute is badly out of date. Now is the time to focus on updating the law affecting the Internet," Tauke said in a speech before a tech policy forum in Washington. "To fulfill broadband's potential, it's time for Congress to take a fresh look at our nation's communications policy framework." Tauke's comments echo recent questions raised about the FCC's jurisdiction over Internet services. Currently, the agency says it can oversee broadband providers as part of its supervision of other communications services. However, that power has been tested by a lawsuit filed against the FCC by cable giant Comcast that is before a federal appeals court. There is a growing push within the agency to reclassify broadband as a common carrier service, meaning Internet service providers would be regulated like telephone companies. FCC Chairman Julius Genachowski told The Washington Post this month that the agency will continue to fight its case but that it would consider reclassification if the court determined the agency doesn't have jurisdiction over broadband. But telecom and cable companies have balked at the idea of reclassification. On Wednesday, AT&T issued a statement after Tauke's speech, suggesting that Congress determine laws for Internet oversight. "If there are any questions about the authority of the FCC in the Internet ecosystem, the proper answer is not for the FCC to get adventurous in interpreting its authority, as some are urging," said AT&T senior vice president Jim Cicconi. An FCC spokeswoman declined to comment. Law professors and analysts said that Congress would probably not take on the task of writing a new telecommunications law to overhaul the existing government framework for broadband oversight. "This is an awfully big hill to climb for Congress this year," said Paul Gallant, an analyst at Concept Capital research. "But it is probably the beginning of a serious multi-year discussion about Congress changing the regulatory landscape for the tech sector." The public interest group Free Press said Verizon's recommendations could hurt consumers, who would have a weaker FCC overseeing Internet service providers. "This speech illustrates the incumbents' desire for a toothless, do-nothing regulator," said Josh Silver, director of Free Press. "After eight years of that, consumers are left with higher prices, lower speeds and ever-dwindling choices." Tauke said that the government shouldn't be light on regulation and that other Internet-related companies should also be under scrutiny, such as Google and Yahoo, software makers and manufacturers of Internet-enabled devices. He said that rule-making shouldn't be the focus on the government entity that oversees the Web, but that it should be focused on enforcement. "Instead, we could structure a process that uses the innovative, flexible and technology-driven nature of the Internet to address issues as they arise," Tauke said. Regards, Jeff Jeff Broadwick Sales Manager, ImageStream 800-813-5123 x106 (US/Can) +1 574-935-8484 x106 (Int'l) +1 574-935-8488 (Fax) WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Phone exchanges
Does anyone know where I can find a KML that shows telephone exchange coverage? We need to know what areas we cover with our dial-up phone numbers relative to our towers.. -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x2241 1-260-827-2241 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL
There is only one way to make money at $24.95, and that is to stop answering the phone. Setup a fancy website for self help everything. And customer is on their own. I'm all for Self-help as an OPTION, but not as a forced requirement. We all know what I'm talking about all the things consumers complain about that are a repurcussion of $24.95 service. Phones answered by reception level skill sets. Billing disputes that are solved by disconnecting service on teh 2nd of the month, if the consumer didn't pay online regardless of whether there was a valid dispute. The customer down for a week, and nobody at teh provider really knew, and if they did and were called on it, they point to the clause in the Terms and conditions that says "30days". The type of installs, where the Dish gets installed right over the front door, because the installer was to lazy to get his ladder of the truck, and the 1hr allowed for install didn;t allow a more resourceful method to obtain a cosmetic appealing way to get LOS. The self-install that generates 50% packet loss, and degrades the network performance for all, but so what, its a Best Effort, right? Personally, I'll never do business that way. The day I have to be a $24.95 provider, I'll do something else. Some people may think otherwise, and are better at that game than I. Please note... I'm referring to provisioned Fixed Service meant to compete against DSL/cable quality. I'm not talking about HotSpot type Wifi, that can be done profitably at $15/month, because there are different expectations. I just keep thinking of the recent Giant Foods experiment. One of our local stores became the test bed for self check out registers. Instead of having 10 lanes with a person and 2 self check lines, this store actually converted like 10 lanes to self-checkout and 2 with a person. Its a night mare. Soemtimes for fun, I just watch the people going through the self-check and how frustrated they get. Self bagging was OK, but struggling to find the label, and getting that darn beeper to recognize the bar codes, and trying to watch a 3 year old or three at the same time as jumping back and forth between the middle of the line where the scanner is and the back of the lane where the grocery cart unscanned groceries sit and the front of the line where the finished scanned groceries are put, What a night mare. All it did was create these huge lines at the two lanes that actually had a person there. 50% of the stores customers ether started shopping at a different Giant that still employed people, or started going to Safeway accross the street. Its the best example that I've ever seen that has proven people want ease, peice of mind, and service. Or... maybe even the friendly relationship to speak to a person, after being cooped up in the house all day. People dont want to troubleshoot their Internet service anymore than they want to go to the self-checkout lane with a full cart of groceries. And when they want some help, they want one of those special help customer service desks like most Giant's have, they dont want to wait in line. Just my 2 cents. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Scott Reed" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 3:38 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL > Your question has some of the answer in it. What do you want for ROI > (return on investment) timing? The answer to that helps determine > installation charge and how much you have to charge per month. > > RickG wrote: >> Sure but I'm more curious about the business model for making money at >> such low prices. UBNT is priced right and certainly helps but it would >> still be tough to make a profit at only $24.95/month. I havent seen >> one a financial discusion on the list in a very long time. I though >> market share models died a long time ago. Are people still out there >> losing money in the short term in order to make money on the long >> term? >> >> On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 2:39 PM, Mike Hammett >> wrote: >> >>> Mikrotik, StarOS, or UBNT could all deliver those speeds. >>> >>> >>> - >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>> http://www.ics-il.com >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> From: "RickG" >>> Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 8:19 PM >>> To: "WISPA General List" >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL >>> >>> If so, with what equipment? On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 1:35 PM, Marco Coelho wrote: > Are you delivering that wireless? > > mc > > On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 9:08 PM, Jayson Baker > wrote: > >> That's what we did. $24.95/mo gets you 12Mbps/6Mbps. $49.95/mo gets >> you >> 20Mbps/6Mbps. >> We guarantee minimums--not just an "up to" speed. A lot of people >> really >> like that too. >> Our packages: ww
Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL
Yes, it is a race but whoever has the customers first has the upper-hand by a long-shot. I was commenting on keeping existing business not grabbing new business. New business will be tough to get besides word-of-mouth advertising. -Jeff "There is a difference" -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of MDK Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 2:09 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL Even if their model is not sustainable, and they're going to run out of cash... If you run out before they do, the results are just as deadly. I can't compete with $15 DSL. Nobody can.Not even them.As you say, it's not "sustainable", so look at where they really intend to compete, and at what rates. ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ -- From: "Jeff Ehman" Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 8:49 AM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL > Have you run through the numbers to see if the $15.00 is a sustainable > model? It seems like that is below cost or their break-even is years out. > If that is the case, they will run out of cash at some point or customers > will get terrible service when problems come up because the DSL company > can't afford to hire anyone. It will hurt you for now but if you look at > the numbers and see it isn't sustainable, I wouldn't worry too much. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL
>Why aren't you replacing every one of your 5.7 APs with the pmp430? I bet a lot of Canopy users will start to self answer that question when they compare the 5750's C/I of 3db to pmp430's C/I of probably 20db. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Josh Luthman" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 12:45 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL Why do it...? If TWC has customers why upgrade them and give them better speeds? I doubt a significant number of people are switching from TWC to another provider for higher speeds. Why aren't you replacing every one of your 5.7 APs with the pmp430? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 12:41 AM, Glenn Kelley wrote: > Time Warner is a nightmare for a number of reasons... > They are still running docsis 2 for goodness sake. > > While Docsis 2 was a great step forward over 1 - running @ 6.4MHz - > allowing for some pretty interesting speeds... > Docsis 3 is a huge step forward however - and would be a great deal > for Time Warner to put into place... > > In short - Docsis 2 only allows support for 1 channel - thus a > throughput of 30.72Mbit/s - where as Docsis 3 allows for multiple > channels - and thus allows for each channel to push roughly 38mbps - > so - # of channels x 30Mbit/s is absolutely awesome > > Not sure why they are not pushing this - ... > > In short - with 4 downstream and 4 upstream channels - Docsis 3 gives > 122.88 Mbit/s > with 8 channels down and 4 upstream - Docsis 3 gives 343Mbit/s down > and 122.88 up > > Now if Comcast can do it - why cant Time Warner? > > > On Mar 24, 2010, at 11:29 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: > >> Interesting that Time Warner bursts the residential accounts, their >> Turbo >> service started out pretty consistent about 6 months ago with always >> being >> 20+mbps. Now its "flakey" at best. One minute you run a speed test >> and its >> 22mbps, next test its 7mbps, all over the board now. >> >> Kurt Fankhauser >> WAVELINC >> P.O. Box 126 >> Bucyrus, OH 44820 >> 419-562-6405 >> www.wavelinc.com >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >> On >> Behalf Of RickG >> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 11:25 PM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL >> >> They must. Not just wireless either. My Time Warner Tech says they >> burst all residential accounts. >> >> On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 11:20 PM, Kurt Fankhauser >> wrote: >>> I think most of the WISPS that offer 6+ mbps services are >>> "bursting" for >>> like the first 30 seconds, then they fall back to something like >>> 1.5mbps. >>> >>> I asked myself the same question until I started to think about it, >>> they >> are >>> bursting, I'm sure of it... >>> >>> Kurt Fankhauser >>> WAVELINC >>> P.O. Box 126 >>> Bucyrus, OH 44820 >>> 419-562-6405 >>> www.wavelinc.com >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- >>> boun...@wispa.org] On >>> Behalf Of MDK >>> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 8:31 PM >>> To: WISPA General List >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL >>> >>> Yes, they can, but only a few clients per access point. You >>> cannot do it >>> with 30 clients on an 11A ap. You can if only 2-4 clients are ever >>> busy >> at >>> the same time. But I'm seeing sustained 2mbit transfers for HOURS >>> to >>> around 20% of my clients. >>> >>> ++ >>> Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy >>> 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 >>> ++ >>> >>> -- >>> From: "Mike Hammett" >>> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 11:39 AM >>> To: "WISPA General List" >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL >>> Mikrotik, StarOS, or UBNT could all deliver those speeds. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "RickG" Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 8:19 PM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL > If so, with what equipment? > > On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 1:35 PM, Marco Coelho >> wrote: >> Are you delivering that wireless? >> >> mc >> >> On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 9:08 PM, Jayson Baker > > >> wrote: >>> That's what we did. $24.95/mo gets you 12Mbps/6Mbps. $49.95/ >>> mo gets >>> you >>> 20Mbps/6Mbps. >>> We guarantee minimums--not just an "up to" speed. A lot of >>> people >>> really >>> like that too. >>> Our packages: www.peakinter.net >>> >>> On Mon, Mar 15, 20
[WISPA] IPV6- Was how to compete with $15 DSL
While on the topic of IPv6. Wireless gear does not need to respond directly to IPV6, but it does need to be able to pass IPV6 traffic, to be relevent for the future. The conversion to IPV6 was mandatory for many entities such as Government. A WISP could quickly be left out of opportunity, if they are not able to pass IPv6. So what are WISPs doing about it? What are Manufacturer's doing about it? What about all the many Licensed backhaul transport links? (Trango, Dragonwave, Bridgewave, Saf, etc ) Are WISPs tunneling IPv6 through IPv4 transports, and taking a performance hit? Are manufacturer's bridge gear passing IPv6, since its layer2 (most licensed gear now have Gig port to pass 9600+ packet sizes)? Or are Manufacturer's making firmware updates to deal with it? Its pretty simple to get routers and transit providers to IPv6 compliance. But what about teh wireless gear? Anyone got a plan of attack yet? Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Glenn Kelley" To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 1:41 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL Comcast once the roll out is complete will be moving 100% to IPV6 - another nice addition of docsis 3 Wish most of the hardware in the WISP environment supported it On Mar 25, 2010, at 1:38 AM, Glenn Kelley wrote: > depending on the cmts in place - yes or no > > for most - yes > > the fiber is fiber is fiber... to the greatest part docsis 3 allows > them to share the channel > > Now imagine getting a cable modem say with 200MBPS down - 100 up and > installing out on a pole somewhere - > then bouncing from there to your tower ... voila - WISP made > easier ... > > of course - there are ip considerations - but you get the picture > > Bob here in Ohio does that w/ the lower level stuff already ;-) > > I remember working for a large MSO and having a 3COM CMTS (cable modem > termination system) that kept crapping out - threw different IOS from > a well known provider and competitor - and with a little tweaking - it > worked solid for a long long time. > > While it may be hard in all areas for them to roll it out - for the > basic ones - like Columbus, Cincy, Dayton - etc... its a no brainer > imho > > > On Mar 25, 2010, at 1:18 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: > >> Does it have reverse compatibility with the old modems and cabling? >> If it's a software upgrade they'd be dumb not to. If it's a lot of >> hardware the cost may not justify the update. >> >> Josh Luthman >> Office: 937-552-2340 >> Direct: 937-552-2343 >> 1100 Wayne St >> Suite 1337 >> Troy, OH 45373 >> >> “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to >> continue that counts.” >> --- Winston Churchill >> >> >> >> On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 1:07 AM, Glenn Kelley >> wrote: >>> well - i think they dont for a few reasons... >>> But the point is - they can. for most systems it is a pretty >>> simple >>> update... >>> >>> I am not saying simply sell it at the same price mind you... but ... >>> if they can charge $200 vs $50 - thats a heck of a revenue >>> increase... >>> >>> love the Churchill statement btw :-) >>> >>> On Mar 25, 2010, at 12:45 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: >>> Why do it...? If TWC has customers why upgrade them and give them better speeds? I doubt a significant number of people are switching from TWC to another provider for higher speeds. Why aren't you replacing every one of your 5.7 APs with the pmp430? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 12:41 AM, Glenn Kelley wrote: > Time Warner is a nightmare for a number of reasons... > They are still running docsis 2 for goodness sake. > > While Docsis 2 was a great step forward over 1 - running @ > 6.4MHz - > allowing for some pretty interesting speeds... > Docsis 3 is a huge step forward however - and would be a great > deal > for Time Warner to put into place... > > In short - Docsis 2 only allows support for 1 channel - thus a > throughput of 30.72Mbit/s - where as Docsis 3 allows for multiple > channels - and thus allows for each channel to push roughly > 38mbps - > so - # of channels x 30Mbit/s is absolutely awesome > > Not sure why they are not pushing this - ... > > In short - with 4 downstream and 4 upstream channels - Docsis 3 > gives > 122.88 Mbit/s > with 8 channels down and 4 upstream - Docsis 3 gives 343Mbit/s > down > and 122.88 up > > Now if Comcast can do it - why cant Time Warner? > > > On Mar 24, 2010, at 11:29 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: > >> Interesting that Time Warner
Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] OT: Barracuda Updates?
Go to this page and look for "scam.sh" http://it.dennyhalim.com/2009/02/postfix-postgrey-clamsmtp-sanesecurity.html the scam.sh does a great job of getting new rules and some really good ones. I don't get much spam and not too many false positives, either. --C On 3/24/2010 9:27 PM, Kristian Hoffmann wrote: > Where do you get SA rules from? We were using SARE, but they don't > appear to be maintained anymore. > > Thanks, > > -Kristian > > On Wed, 2010-03-24 at 18:50 -0400, Justin Wilson wrote: > >> The big thing about any spam solution is the ability to ³learn². >> Everynight we have SpamAssassin go out and download new rules from a couple >> of different sites. Between this and the Amavis updates it keeps on top of >> things quite well. Plus we also have greylisting on the higher hit servers >> as well as IP blacklists of known spammers. Most of these are APNIC ips. >> What many people fail to do is make sure their secondary MX is just as good >> as filtering spam as the primary is. Another tactic is to have a Mikrotik >> with some rules that say if you receive X amount of connections from a >> single IP to your mail server(s) block that IP for X amount of minutes. >> >> Justin >> -- >> Justin Wilson >> http://www.mtin.net >> http://www.metrospan.net >> >> >> >> From: Chuck Hogg >> Reply-To: WISPA General List >> Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2010 18:36:39 -0400 >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] OT: Barracuda Updates? >> >> I'm using it on a few domains...and before I push it to the enterprise >> level, I just wanted to see how many others are using it. I know that >> Barracuda servers are essentially SpamAssasin, amavis/clamAV, with a new >> frontend and modifications to make it the more enterprise class server. >> >> Regards, >> Chuck Hogg >> Shelby Broadband >> 502-722-9292 >> ch...@shelbybb.com >> http://www.shelbybb.com >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behalf Of Justin Wilson >> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 4:53 PM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] OT: Barracuda Updates? >> >> Chuck turned me on to PurpleHat a month of so ago. We are in the >> process >> of testing it on some domains. Most of the packages within it are ones >> that >> continually get updated. >> >> This might help: >> http://www.purplehat.org/?page_id=4 >> >> BTW: We are running it in a Virtual Machine and so far so good. >> > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL
That's why I wonder if MDK is talking about MT AP's. Greg On Mar 25, 2010, at 2:53 PM, Scott Reed wrote: > MT allows you to create queues that will make sure everyone gets a piece. > > Greg Ihnen wrote: >> Are those MT AP's? Does RouterOS keep the bandwidth usage fair (everyone >> gets a piece)? >> >> Greg >> >> On Mar 25, 2010, at 2:34 PM, MDK wrote: >> >> >>> Well, define "big plan". >>> >>> In a P2P situation, an 11a access point can move about 10 to 12mbit to the >>> clients - assuming quite a few clients (at least 20) and not over 8 miles. >>> My 2mbit customers... I can have 4-5 of them run pretty steady and things >>> are ok - not great, but ok. Once we pass that 4 running full speed at 2m, >>> everyone starts losing a little and if you've got 6 or more trying, >>> everyone's latency starts upwards pretty good. If you see 10 clients out >>> of 30 active, and if 4 are sustaining full 2m, then the AP is maxed, >>> completely. There's just no more bit delivery available.New demands >>> come at the cost of reductions to other delivery speeds. >>> >>> In a microcell, you could count on 3 6mbit customers getting good speeds, >>> but after that, the shortages simply divide up equally. Have someone >>> throw >>> in full bore bittorent, and it drops even further, since it misuses the >>> airtime quite badly, and runs a lot of upstream data. Also, each client >>> added to the AP - whether its busy or not, adds overhead, and the >>> throughput >>> diminishes a little.My busiest is 37 clients, and we're working on >>> transferring some off of it, as it's overloaded and some are having issues >>> with watching video, etc. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ++ >>> Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy >>> 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 >>> ++ >>> >>> -- >>> From: "Mike Hammett" >>> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 9:48 PM >>> To: "WISPA General List" >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL >>> >>> I don't see hwy AirMax, N-Streme, or whatever Star's equivalent of those two couldn't maintain 30 customers with big plans (not all using it at once, however). - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "RickG" Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 10:20 PM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL > I'm thinking Ubiquiti Airmax can but I could be wrong? > > On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 8:31 PM, MDK wrote: > >> Yes, they can, but only a few clients per access point. You cannot do >> it >> with 30 clients on an 11A ap. You can if only 2-4 clients are ever busy >> at >> the same time. But I'm seeing sustained 2mbit transfers for HOURS to >> around 20% of my clients. >> >> ++ >> Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy >> 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 >> ++ >> >> -- >> From: "Mike Hammett" >> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 11:39 AM >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL >> >> >>> Mikrotik, StarOS, or UBNT could all deliver those speeds. >>> >>> >>> - >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>> http://www.ics-il.com >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> From: "RickG" >>> Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 8:19 PM >>> To: "WISPA General List" >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL >>> >>> If so, with what equipment? On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 1:35 PM, Marco Coelho wrote: > Are you delivering that wireless? > > mc > > On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 9:08 PM, Jayson Baker > > wrote: > >> That's what we did. $24.95/mo gets you 12Mbps/6Mbps. $49.95/mo >> gets >> you >> 20Mbps/6Mbps. >> We guarantee minimums--not just an "up to" speed. A lot of people >> really >> like that too. >> Our packages: www.peakinter.net >> >> On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 11:14 PM, MDK >> wrote: >> >> >>> One of the things you have to keep in mind, is that you really do >>> have >>> to >>> offer your customers a decent value for their dollars.35 Bux >>> for >>> a >>> fraction of a meg is darn steep pricing these days. We offer a >>> 300K >>> for >>> 25 >>> and 2 meg for 38.50, which is reasonably competitive. >>
Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL
MT allows you to create queues that will make sure everyone gets a piece. Greg Ihnen wrote: > Are those MT AP's? Does RouterOS keep the bandwidth usage fair (everyone gets > a piece)? > > Greg > > On Mar 25, 2010, at 2:34 PM, MDK wrote: > > >> Well, define "big plan". >> >> In a P2P situation, an 11a access point can move about 10 to 12mbit to the >> clients - assuming quite a few clients (at least 20) and not over 8 miles. >> My 2mbit customers... I can have 4-5 of them run pretty steady and things >> are ok - not great, but ok. Once we pass that 4 running full speed at 2m, >> everyone starts losing a little and if you've got 6 or more trying, >> everyone's latency starts upwards pretty good. If you see 10 clients out >> of 30 active, and if 4 are sustaining full 2m, then the AP is maxed, >> completely. There's just no more bit delivery available.New demands >> come at the cost of reductions to other delivery speeds. >> >> In a microcell, you could count on 3 6mbit customers getting good speeds, >> but after that, the shortages simply divide up equally. Have someone throw >> in full bore bittorent, and it drops even further, since it misuses the >> airtime quite badly, and runs a lot of upstream data. Also, each client >> added to the AP - whether its busy or not, adds overhead, and the throughput >> diminishes a little.My busiest is 37 clients, and we're working on >> transferring some off of it, as it's overloaded and some are having issues >> with watching video, etc. >> >> >> >> >> >> ++ >> Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy >> 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 >> ++ >> >> -- >> From: "Mike Hammett" >> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 9:48 PM >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL >> >> >>> I don't see hwy AirMax, N-Streme, or whatever Star's equivalent of those >>> two >>> couldn't maintain 30 customers with big plans (not all using it at once, >>> however). >>> >>> >>> - >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>> http://www.ics-il.com >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> From: "RickG" >>> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 10:20 PM >>> To: "WISPA General List" >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL >>> >>> I'm thinking Ubiquiti Airmax can but I could be wrong? On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 8:31 PM, MDK wrote: > Yes, they can, but only a few clients per access point. You cannot do > it > with 30 clients on an 11A ap. You can if only 2-4 clients are ever busy > at > the same time. But I'm seeing sustained 2mbit transfers for HOURS to > around 20% of my clients. > > ++ > Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy > 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 > ++ > > -- > From: "Mike Hammett" > Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 11:39 AM > To: "WISPA General List" > Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL > > >> Mikrotik, StarOS, or UBNT could all deliver those speeds. >> >> >> - >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> http://www.ics-il.com >> >> >> >> -- >> From: "RickG" >> Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 8:19 PM >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL >> >> >>> If so, with what equipment? >>> >>> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 1:35 PM, Marco Coelho >>> wrote: >>> Are you delivering that wireless? mc On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 9:08 PM, Jayson Baker wrote: > That's what we did. $24.95/mo gets you 12Mbps/6Mbps. $49.95/mo > gets > you > 20Mbps/6Mbps. > We guarantee minimums--not just an "up to" speed. A lot of people > really > like that too. > Our packages: www.peakinter.net > > On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 11:14 PM, MDK > wrote: > > >> One of the things you have to keep in mind, is that you really do >> have >> to >> offer your customers a decent value for their dollars.35 Bux >> for >> a >> fraction of a meg is darn steep pricing these days. We offer a >> 300K >> for >> 25 >> and 2 meg for 38.50, which is reasonably competitive. >> >> You don't' need to be the cheapest to be "competitive", but you >> can't >> be >> way >> outside of normal pricing. >> >> I'm thinking of throwin
Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] OT: Barracuda Updates?
I've been running a similar setup on Gentoo Linux. MySQL dbmail postfix spamassassin fuzzyOCR amavisd-new clamav It all just works, its stable and not too hard to manage. You won't find a cool control panel. These are the technologies that Barracuda uses in their "appliances." On 3/24/2010 4:53 PM, Justin Wilson wrote: > Chuck turned me on to PurpleHat a month of so ago. We are in the process > of testing it on some domains. Most of the packages within it are ones that > continually get updated. > > This might help: > http://www.purplehat.org/?page_id=4 > > BTW: We are running it in a Virtual Machine and so far so good. > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL
Are those MT AP's? Does RouterOS keep the bandwidth usage fair (everyone gets a piece)? Greg On Mar 25, 2010, at 2:34 PM, MDK wrote: > Well, define "big plan". > > In a P2P situation, an 11a access point can move about 10 to 12mbit to the > clients - assuming quite a few clients (at least 20) and not over 8 miles. > My 2mbit customers... I can have 4-5 of them run pretty steady and things > are ok - not great, but ok. Once we pass that 4 running full speed at 2m, > everyone starts losing a little and if you've got 6 or more trying, > everyone's latency starts upwards pretty good. If you see 10 clients out > of 30 active, and if 4 are sustaining full 2m, then the AP is maxed, > completely. There's just no more bit delivery available.New demands > come at the cost of reductions to other delivery speeds. > > In a microcell, you could count on 3 6mbit customers getting good speeds, > but after that, the shortages simply divide up equally. Have someone throw > in full bore bittorent, and it drops even further, since it misuses the > airtime quite badly, and runs a lot of upstream data. Also, each client > added to the AP - whether its busy or not, adds overhead, and the throughput > diminishes a little.My busiest is 37 clients, and we're working on > transferring some off of it, as it's overloaded and some are having issues > with watching video, etc. > > > > > > ++ > Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy > 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 > ++ > > -- > From: "Mike Hammett" > Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 9:48 PM > To: "WISPA General List" > Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL > >> I don't see hwy AirMax, N-Streme, or whatever Star's equivalent of those >> two >> couldn't maintain 30 customers with big plans (not all using it at once, >> however). >> >> >> - >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> http://www.ics-il.com >> >> >> >> -- >> From: "RickG" >> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 10:20 PM >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL >> >>> I'm thinking Ubiquiti Airmax can but I could be wrong? >>> >>> On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 8:31 PM, MDK wrote: Yes, they can, but only a few clients per access point. You cannot do it with 30 clients on an 11A ap. You can if only 2-4 clients are ever busy at the same time. But I'm seeing sustained 2mbit transfers for HOURS to around 20% of my clients. ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ -- From: "Mike Hammett" Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 11:39 AM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL > Mikrotik, StarOS, or UBNT could all deliver those speeds. > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > -- > From: "RickG" > Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 8:19 PM > To: "WISPA General List" > Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL > >> If so, with what equipment? >> >> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 1:35 PM, Marco Coelho >> wrote: >>> Are you delivering that wireless? >>> >>> mc >>> >>> On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 9:08 PM, Jayson Baker >>> >>> wrote: That's what we did. $24.95/mo gets you 12Mbps/6Mbps. $49.95/mo gets you 20Mbps/6Mbps. We guarantee minimums--not just an "up to" speed. A lot of people really like that too. Our packages: www.peakinter.net On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 11:14 PM, MDK wrote: > One of the things you have to keep in mind, is that you really do > have > to > offer your customers a decent value for their dollars.35 Bux > for > a > fraction of a meg is darn steep pricing these days. We offer a > 300K > for > 25 > and 2 meg for 38.50, which is reasonably competitive. > > You don't' need to be the cheapest to be "competitive", but you > can't > be > way > outside of normal pricing. > > I'm thinking of throwing up some MIMO gear and offering something > like > a 7 > meg service.Was thinking of making it about 75 / mo.Not the > cheapest. Not the most expensive, either. What would 7 meg be > in > your > area? > > > > ++ > Neo
Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL
Even if their model is not sustainable, and they're going to run out of cash... If you run out before they do, the results are just as deadly. I can't compete with $15 DSL. Nobody can.Not even them.As you say, it's not "sustainable", so look at where they really intend to compete, and at what rates. ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ -- From: "Jeff Ehman" Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 8:49 AM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL > Have you run through the numbers to see if the $15.00 is a sustainable > model? It seems like that is below cost or their break-even is years out. > If that is the case, they will run out of cash at some point or customers > will get terrible service when problems come up because the DSL company > can't afford to hire anyone. It will hurt you for now but if you look at > the numbers and see it isn't sustainable, I wouldn't worry too much. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL
Well, define "big plan". In a P2P situation, an 11a access point can move about 10 to 12mbit to the clients - assuming quite a few clients (at least 20) and not over 8 miles. My 2mbit customers... I can have 4-5 of them run pretty steady and things are ok - not great, but ok. Once we pass that 4 running full speed at 2m, everyone starts losing a little and if you've got 6 or more trying, everyone's latency starts upwards pretty good. If you see 10 clients out of 30 active, and if 4 are sustaining full 2m, then the AP is maxed, completely. There's just no more bit delivery available.New demands come at the cost of reductions to other delivery speeds. In a microcell, you could count on 3 6mbit customers getting good speeds, but after that, the shortages simply divide up equally. Have someone throw in full bore bittorent, and it drops even further, since it misuses the airtime quite badly, and runs a lot of upstream data. Also, each client added to the AP - whether its busy or not, adds overhead, and the throughput diminishes a little.My busiest is 37 clients, and we're working on transferring some off of it, as it's overloaded and some are having issues with watching video, etc. ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ -- From: "Mike Hammett" Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 9:48 PM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL > I don't see hwy AirMax, N-Streme, or whatever Star's equivalent of those > two > couldn't maintain 30 customers with big plans (not all using it at once, > however). > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > -- > From: "RickG" > Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 10:20 PM > To: "WISPA General List" > Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL > >> I'm thinking Ubiquiti Airmax can but I could be wrong? >> >> On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 8:31 PM, MDK wrote: >>> Yes, they can, but only a few clients per access point. You cannot do >>> it >>> with 30 clients on an 11A ap. You can if only 2-4 clients are ever busy >>> at >>> the same time. But I'm seeing sustained 2mbit transfers for HOURS to >>> around 20% of my clients. >>> >>> ++ >>> Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy >>> 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 >>> ++ >>> >>> -- >>> From: "Mike Hammett" >>> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 11:39 AM >>> To: "WISPA General List" >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL >>> Mikrotik, StarOS, or UBNT could all deliver those speeds. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "RickG" Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 8:19 PM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL > If so, with what equipment? > > On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 1:35 PM, Marco Coelho > wrote: >> Are you delivering that wireless? >> >> mc >> >> On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 9:08 PM, Jayson Baker >> >> wrote: >>> That's what we did. $24.95/mo gets you 12Mbps/6Mbps. $49.95/mo >>> gets >>> you >>> 20Mbps/6Mbps. >>> We guarantee minimums--not just an "up to" speed. A lot of people >>> really >>> like that too. >>> Our packages: www.peakinter.net >>> >>> On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 11:14 PM, MDK >>> wrote: >>> One of the things you have to keep in mind, is that you really do have to offer your customers a decent value for their dollars.35 Bux for a fraction of a meg is darn steep pricing these days. We offer a 300K for 25 and 2 meg for 38.50, which is reasonably competitive. You don't' need to be the cheapest to be "competitive", but you can't be way outside of normal pricing. I'm thinking of throwing up some MIMO gear and offering something like a 7 meg service.Was thinking of making it about 75 / mo.Not the cheapest. Not the most expensive, either. What would 7 meg be in your area? ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ -- From: "Kurt Fankhauser" Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 8:05 AM To: "'WISPA General List'" Subject: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 D
Re: [WISPA] Make a profit with lower pricing? Was: how tocompete with $15 DSL
Love it. Good stuff and very savvy. Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 10:20 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Make a profit with lower pricing? Was: how tocompete with $15 DSL We've been selling a "loss leader" dial up service for $5.99 for 10 years now. We don't lose anything and only make a couple of bucks per user but we get the payback on the backend. The 5.99 service, they have to come into our retail store to sign up for it and to pay the bill. No online or phone payments. Made a lot of customers that way who give us cash for other services since they have to see us anyway. We still have over 200 dial up customers and every month those 200 have to come in and see our smiling faces. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 12:51 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Make a profit with lower pricing? Was: how to compete with $15 DSL I'm sure they dont. For me, I dont pay attention to the cheap advertised prices. For others, I suspect that what they do is compare pricing and get a relative feeling for a benchmark. Of course, they also compare features & benefits then choose the laptop that fits their needs and/or budget. With all due respect, I dont see much correlation between internet service (monthly service) and purchasing a laptop (one time purchase). I tried to offer a low, loss leader a while back as a test and the ones who took it never upgraded. I dont see any reason to offer it but then I'm fortunate not to have any competition. On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 11:06 AM, Robert West wrote: > A very well known example.. > > Dell. > > Dell advertises $400.00 systems and laptops. Anyone here ever end up > with one at the advertised price? Probably not many. > > Bob- > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > On Behalf Of Robert West > Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 10:55 AM > To: 'WISPA General List' > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Make a profit with lower pricing? Was: how to > compete with $15 DSL > > We start at 29 bucks. The way I think, you always need the "bait" to bring > them in, such as a low price. It's all sales after that. Bump up to > a higher tier, equipment insurance, service call plan... etc. On the > face of > it, we look very inexpensive but the customer almost always elects to > upgrade or add on something. My favorite is a customer who calls > about the > $29.00 plan but ends up asking "Do you have anything faster?" (Big > Smile) > > Bob- > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > On Behalf Of RickG > Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 12:21 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Make a profit with lower pricing? Was: how to > compete with $15 DSL > > But what is your ARPU? > > On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 12:02 AM, Travis Johnson wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I have packages starting at $29.95/month and I'm quite profitable... >> have been for over 12 years now... :) >> >> Travis >> Microserv >> >> RickG wrote: >>> Bob, >>> >>> We do the same here. Day one ROI upon installation. Not having any >>> problems getting customers, In fact, we're growing faster than we >>> ever have. Of course, there is a lot more to the cost of operating >>> than just ROI upon install. Our lowest plan is $49.99/month. Which >>> is the reason I responded to Jayson's post: >>> >>> Jayson Baker wrote: >>> "$24.95/mo gets you 12Mbps/6Mbps. $49.95/mo gets you 20Mbps/6Mbps. >>> We guarantee minimums--not just an "up to" speed" >>> >>> I'm always game to learn something. Every business model I've ever >>> done only shows profit at $50/month ARPU. I'm just wondering if & >>> where I'm going wrong. >>> -RickG >>> >>> On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 6:34 PM, Robert West > wrote: >>> Using UBNT, we have a zero day ROI. We pay the salesperson a commission > and the installer is paid by the job. Thus, the install fee and first month service covers it all including the price of the radio/antenna. After > that, the monthly charge comes with not much effort unless the customer turns > out to be high maintenance and with that, we just start charging for service calls and computer repairs. Just because one charges a small monthly fee doesn't mean you can't have > add on services, higher tiers or other profit areas. But even with that, we've had the "cheap skate" discussion before > some people will go with the 15 buck slow service no matter what. Let em'. > You deal with that type of offer with quality, service and educating your market. The worst thing you could do,
Re: [WISPA] Make a profit with lower pricing? Was: how to compete with $15 DSL
We've been selling a "loss leader" dial up service for $5.99 for 10 years now. We dont lose anything and only make a couple of bucks per user but we get the payback on the backend. The 5.99 service, they have to come into our retail store to sign up for it and to pay the bill. No online or phone payments. Made a lot of customers that way who give us cash for other services since they have to see us anyway. We still have over 200 dial up customers and every month those 200 have to come in and see our smiling faces. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 12:51 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Make a profit with lower pricing? Was: how to compete with $15 DSL I'm sure they dont. For me, I dont pay attention to the cheap advertised prices. For others, I suspect that what they do is compare pricing and get a relative feeling for a benchmark. Of course, they also compare features & benefits then choose the laptop that fits their needs and/or budget. With all due respect, I dont see much correlation between internet service (monthly service) and purchasing a laptop (one time purchase). I tried to offer a low, loss leader a while back as a test and the ones who took it never upgraded. I dont see any reason to offer it but then I'm fortunate not to have any competition. On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 11:06 AM, Robert West wrote: > A very well known example.. > > Dell. > > Dell advertises $400.00 systems and laptops. Anyone here ever end up with > one at the advertised price? Probably not many. > > Bob- > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Robert West > Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 10:55 AM > To: 'WISPA General List' > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Make a profit with lower pricing? Was: how to compete > with $15 DSL > > We start at 29 bucks. The way I think, you always need the "bait" to bring > them in, such as a low price. It's all sales after that. Bump up to a > higher tier, equipment insurance, service call plan... etc. On the face of > it, we look very inexpensive but the customer almost always elects to > upgrade or add on something. My favorite is a customer who calls about the > $29.00 plan but ends up asking "Do you have anything faster?" (Big Smile) > > Bob- > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of RickG > Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 12:21 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Make a profit with lower pricing? Was: how to compete > with $15 DSL > > But what is your ARPU? > > On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 12:02 AM, Travis Johnson wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I have packages starting at $29.95/month and I'm quite profitable... >> have been for over 12 years now... :) >> >> Travis >> Microserv >> >> RickG wrote: >>> Bob, >>> >>> We do the same here. Day one ROI upon installation. Not having any >>> problems getting customers, In fact, we're growing faster than we >>> ever have. Of course, there is a lot more to the cost of operating >>> than just ROI upon install. Our lowest plan is $49.99/month. Which is >>> the reason I responded to Jayson's post: >>> >>> Jayson Baker wrote: >>> "$24.95/mo gets you 12Mbps/6Mbps. $49.95/mo gets you 20Mbps/6Mbps. We >>> guarantee minimums--not just an "up to" speed" >>> >>> I'm always game to learn something. Every business model I've ever >>> done only shows profit at $50/month ARPU. I'm just wondering if & >>> where I'm going wrong. >>> -RickG >>> >>> On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 6:34 PM, Robert West > wrote: >>> Using UBNT, we have a zero day ROI. We pay the salesperson a commission > and the installer is paid by the job. Thus, the install fee and first month service covers it all including the price of the radio/antenna. After > that, the monthly charge comes with not much effort unless the customer turns > out to be high maintenance and with that, we just start charging for service calls and computer repairs. Just because one charges a small monthly fee doesnt mean you cant have > add on services, higher tiers or other profit areas. But even with that, we've had the "cheap skate" discussion before > some people will go with the 15 buck slow service no matter what. Let em'. > You deal with that type of offer with quality, service and educating your market. The worst thing you could do, in my opinion, is to try to join > in their game. It only associates their low quality standards with you. > Apple computers doesnt sell $298 laptops for a reason. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 3:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [
Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL
And keep in mind, if your business is smaller there is a lot less overhead so a larger one will need to raise that minimum comfortable level. The one thing you need to look at though, is if they received funding to build-out DSL somehow. There are a lot of government funded grants out there. -Jeff "There is a difference" -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 12:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL Thats right and my point. I dont see $15/month anywhere near sustainable for any company. My curiosity is, what number is? As I mentioned, for me $49.99/month is comfortable. Any lower and things get sacrificed. I run a tight ship and am frugal. On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 11:49 AM, Jeff Ehman wrote: > Have you run through the numbers to see if the $15.00 is a sustainable model? > It seems like that is below cost or their break-even is years out. If that > is the case, they will run out of cash at some point or customers will get > terrible service when problems come up because the DSL company can't afford > to hire anyone. It will hurt you for now but if you look at the numbers and > see it isn't sustainable, I wouldn't worry too much. > > Right now though, I would buckle down and run a campaign with all employees > and any marketing mean you have to take care of customers! If you take care > of your customers, it will be very tough for the competition to pick them up > for a cheaper price. Or, it will at least delay the process long enough for > the DSL provider to realize they can't sustain those prices... > > If you find out it is sustainable, then look at possibly upgrading your > network or doing other revenue generating ideas that the DSL provider isn't. > Upgrading the network is a long process and very costly though. I would make > VERY sure that the DSL provider can keep that $15.00 forever before doing > anything with infrastructure. > > -Jeff > "There is a difference" > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Robert West > Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 9:58 AM > To: 'WISPA General List' > Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL > > And, interestingly enough, the digital cable boxes that they have been > deploying lately have an integrated Docsis 3 modem. Inactive of > course. > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Glenn Kelley > Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 12:41 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL > > Time Warner is a nightmare for a number of reasons... > They are still running docsis 2 for goodness sake. > > While Docsis 2 was a great step forward over 1 - running @ 6.4MHz - > allowing for some pretty interesting speeds... > Docsis 3 is a huge step forward however - and would be a great deal > for Time Warner to put into place... > > In short - Docsis 2 only allows support for 1 channel - thus a > throughput of 30.72Mbit/s - where as Docsis 3 allows for multiple > channels - and thus allows for each channel to push roughly 38mbps - > so - # of channels x 30Mbit/s is absolutely awesome > > Not sure why they are not pushing this - ... > > In short - with 4 downstream and 4 upstream channels - Docsis 3 gives > 122.88 Mbit/s > with 8 channels down and 4 upstream - Docsis 3 gives 343Mbit/s down > and 122.88 up > > Now if Comcast can do it - why cant Time Warner? > > > On Mar 24, 2010, at 11:29 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: > >> Interesting that Time Warner bursts the residential accounts, their >> Turbo >> service started out pretty consistent about 6 months ago with always >> being >> 20+mbps. Now its "flakey" at best. One minute you run a speed test >> and its >> 22mbps, next test its 7mbps, all over the board now. >> >> Kurt Fankhauser >> WAVELINC >> P.O. Box 126 >> Bucyrus, OH 44820 >> 419-562-6405 >> www.wavelinc.com >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >> On >> Behalf Of RickG >> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 11:25 PM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL >> >> They must. Not just wireless either. My Time Warner Tech says they >> burst all residential accounts. >> >> On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 11:20 PM, Kurt Fankhauser >> wrote: >>> I think most of the WISPS that offer 6+ mbps services are >>> "bursting" for >>> like the first 30 seconds, then they fall back to something like >>> 1.5mbps. >>> >>> I asked myself the same question until I started to think about it, >>> they >> are >>> bursting, I'm sure of it... >>> >>> Kurt Fankhauser >>> WAVELINC >>> P.O. Box 126 >>> Bucyrus, OH 44820 >>> 419-562-6405 >>> www.wavelinc.com >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [m
Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL
Thats right and my point. I dont see $15/month anywhere near sustainable for any company. My curiosity is, what number is? As I mentioned, for me $49.99/month is comfortable. Any lower and things get sacrificed. I run a tight ship and am frugal. On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 11:49 AM, Jeff Ehman wrote: > Have you run through the numbers to see if the $15.00 is a sustainable model? > It seems like that is below cost or their break-even is years out. If that > is the case, they will run out of cash at some point or customers will get > terrible service when problems come up because the DSL company can't afford > to hire anyone. It will hurt you for now but if you look at the numbers and > see it isn't sustainable, I wouldn't worry too much. > > Right now though, I would buckle down and run a campaign with all employees > and any marketing mean you have to take care of customers! If you take care > of your customers, it will be very tough for the competition to pick them up > for a cheaper price. Or, it will at least delay the process long enough for > the DSL provider to realize they can't sustain those prices... > > If you find out it is sustainable, then look at possibly upgrading your > network or doing other revenue generating ideas that the DSL provider isn't. > Upgrading the network is a long process and very costly though. I would make > VERY sure that the DSL provider can keep that $15.00 forever before doing > anything with infrastructure. > > -Jeff > "There is a difference" > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Robert West > Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 9:58 AM > To: 'WISPA General List' > Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL > > And, interestingly enough, the digital cable boxes that they have been > deploying lately have an integrated Docsis 3 modem. Inactive of > course. > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Glenn Kelley > Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 12:41 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL > > Time Warner is a nightmare for a number of reasons... > They are still running docsis 2 for goodness sake. > > While Docsis 2 was a great step forward over 1 - running @ 6.4MHz - > allowing for some pretty interesting speeds... > Docsis 3 is a huge step forward however - and would be a great deal > for Time Warner to put into place... > > In short - Docsis 2 only allows support for 1 channel - thus a > throughput of 30.72Mbit/s - where as Docsis 3 allows for multiple > channels - and thus allows for each channel to push roughly 38mbps - > so - # of channels x 30Mbit/s is absolutely awesome > > Not sure why they are not pushing this - ... > > In short - with 4 downstream and 4 upstream channels - Docsis 3 gives > 122.88 Mbit/s > with 8 channels down and 4 upstream - Docsis 3 gives 343Mbit/s down > and 122.88 up > > Now if Comcast can do it - why cant Time Warner? > > > On Mar 24, 2010, at 11:29 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: > >> Interesting that Time Warner bursts the residential accounts, their >> Turbo >> service started out pretty consistent about 6 months ago with always >> being >> 20+mbps. Now its "flakey" at best. One minute you run a speed test >> and its >> 22mbps, next test its 7mbps, all over the board now. >> >> Kurt Fankhauser >> WAVELINC >> P.O. Box 126 >> Bucyrus, OH 44820 >> 419-562-6405 >> www.wavelinc.com >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >> On >> Behalf Of RickG >> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 11:25 PM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL >> >> They must. Not just wireless either. My Time Warner Tech says they >> burst all residential accounts. >> >> On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 11:20 PM, Kurt Fankhauser >> wrote: >>> I think most of the WISPS that offer 6+ mbps services are >>> "bursting" for >>> like the first 30 seconds, then they fall back to something like >>> 1.5mbps. >>> >>> I asked myself the same question until I started to think about it, >>> they >> are >>> bursting, I'm sure of it... >>> >>> Kurt Fankhauser >>> WAVELINC >>> P.O. Box 126 >>> Bucyrus, OH 44820 >>> 419-562-6405 >>> www.wavelinc.com >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- >>> boun...@wispa.org] On >>> Behalf Of MDK >>> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 8:31 PM >>> To: WISPA General List >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL >>> >>> Yes, they can, but only a few clients per access point. You >>> cannot do it >>> with 30 clients on an 11A ap. You can if only 2-4 clients are ever >>> busy >> at >>> the same time. But I'm seeing sustained 2mbit transfers for HOURS >>> to >>> around 20% of my clients. >>> >>> ++ >>> Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy >>> 541-969-82
Re: [WISPA] Make a profit with lower pricing? Was: how to compete with $15 DSL
I'm sure they dont. For me, I dont pay attention to the cheap advertised prices. For others, I suspect that what they do is compare pricing and get a relative feeling for a benchmark. Of course, they also compare features & benefits then choose the laptop that fits their needs and/or budget. With all due respect, I dont see much correlation between internet service (monthly service) and purchasing a laptop (one time purchase). I tried to offer a low, loss leader a while back as a test and the ones who took it never upgraded. I dont see any reason to offer it but then I'm fortunate not to have any competition. On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 11:06 AM, Robert West wrote: > A very well known example.. > > Dell. > > Dell advertises $400.00 systems and laptops. Anyone here ever end up with > one at the advertised price? Probably not many. > > Bob- > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of Robert West > Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 10:55 AM > To: 'WISPA General List' > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Make a profit with lower pricing? Was: how to compete > with $15 DSL > > We start at 29 bucks. The way I think, you always need the "bait" to bring > them in, such as a low price. It's all sales after that. Bump up to a > higher tier, equipment insurance, service call plan... etc. On the face of > it, we look very inexpensive but the customer almost always elects to > upgrade or add on something. My favorite is a customer who calls about the > $29.00 plan but ends up asking "Do you have anything faster?" (Big Smile) > > Bob- > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of RickG > Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 12:21 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Make a profit with lower pricing? Was: how to compete > with $15 DSL > > But what is your ARPU? > > On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 12:02 AM, Travis Johnson wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I have packages starting at $29.95/month and I'm quite profitable... >> have been for over 12 years now... :) >> >> Travis >> Microserv >> >> RickG wrote: >>> Bob, >>> >>> We do the same here. Day one ROI upon installation. Not having any >>> problems getting customers, In fact, we're growing faster than we >>> ever have. Of course, there is a lot more to the cost of operating >>> than just ROI upon install. Our lowest plan is $49.99/month. Which is >>> the reason I responded to Jayson's post: >>> >>> Jayson Baker wrote: >>> "$24.95/mo gets you 12Mbps/6Mbps. $49.95/mo gets you 20Mbps/6Mbps. We >>> guarantee minimums--not just an "up to" speed" >>> >>> I'm always game to learn something. Every business model I've ever >>> done only shows profit at $50/month ARPU. I'm just wondering if & >>> where I'm going wrong. >>> -RickG >>> >>> On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 6:34 PM, Robert West > wrote: >>> Using UBNT, we have a zero day ROI. We pay the salesperson a commission > and the installer is paid by the job. Thus, the install fee and first month service covers it all including the price of the radio/antenna. After > that, the monthly charge comes with not much effort unless the customer turns > out to be high maintenance and with that, we just start charging for service calls and computer repairs. Just because one charges a small monthly fee doesn’t mean you can’t have > add on services, higher tiers or other profit areas. But even with that, we've had the "cheap skate" discussion before > some people will go with the 15 buck slow service no matter what. Let em'. > You deal with that type of offer with quality, service and educating your market. The worst thing you could do, in my opinion, is to try to join > in their game. It only associates their low quality standards with you. > Apple computers doesn’t sell $298 laptops for a reason. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 3:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL Sure but I'm more curious about the business model for making money at such low prices. UBNT is priced right and certainly helps but it would still be tough to make a profit at only $24.95/month. I havent seen one a financial discusion on the list in a very long time. I though market share models died a long time ago. Are people still out there losing money in the short term in order to make money on the long term? On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 2:39 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: > Mikrotik, StarOS, or UBNT could all deliver those speeds. > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > >
Re: [WISPA] Make a profit with lower pricing? Was: how to compete with $15 DSL
LOL! I get all the time already! Like I said, the ARPU is what matters. Still, if I offered $29, I think most would downgrade to it. Cant make $29 work on the current business model. On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 10:55 AM, Robert West wrote: > We start at 29 bucks. The way I think, you always need the "bait" to bring > them in, such as a low price. It's all sales after that. Bump up to a > higher tier, equipment insurance, service call plan... etc. On the face of > it, we look very inexpensive but the customer almost always elects to > upgrade or add on something. My favorite is a customer who calls about the > $29.00 plan but ends up asking "Do you have anything faster?" (Big Smile) > > Bob- > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of RickG > Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 12:21 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Make a profit with lower pricing? Was: how to compete > with $15 DSL > > But what is your ARPU? > > On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 12:02 AM, Travis Johnson wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I have packages starting at $29.95/month and I'm quite profitable... >> have been for over 12 years now... :) >> >> Travis >> Microserv >> >> RickG wrote: >>> Bob, >>> >>> We do the same here. Day one ROI upon installation. Not having any >>> problems getting customers, In fact, we're growing faster than we >>> ever have. Of course, there is a lot more to the cost of operating >>> than just ROI upon install. Our lowest plan is $49.99/month. Which is >>> the reason I responded to Jayson's post: >>> >>> Jayson Baker wrote: >>> "$24.95/mo gets you 12Mbps/6Mbps. $49.95/mo gets you 20Mbps/6Mbps. We >>> guarantee minimums--not just an "up to" speed" >>> >>> I'm always game to learn something. Every business model I've ever >>> done only shows profit at $50/month ARPU. I'm just wondering if & >>> where I'm going wrong. >>> -RickG >>> >>> On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 6:34 PM, Robert West > wrote: >>> Using UBNT, we have a zero day ROI. We pay the salesperson a commission > and the installer is paid by the job. Thus, the install fee and first month service covers it all including the price of the radio/antenna. After > that, the monthly charge comes with not much effort unless the customer turns > out to be high maintenance and with that, we just start charging for service calls and computer repairs. Just because one charges a small monthly fee doesn’t mean you can’t have > add on services, higher tiers or other profit areas. But even with that, we've had the "cheap skate" discussion before > some people will go with the 15 buck slow service no matter what. Let em'. > You deal with that type of offer with quality, service and educating your market. The worst thing you could do, in my opinion, is to try to join > in their game. It only associates their low quality standards with you. > Apple computers doesn’t sell $298 laptops for a reason. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 3:29 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL Sure but I'm more curious about the business model for making money at such low prices. UBNT is priced right and certainly helps but it would still be tough to make a profit at only $24.95/month. I havent seen one a financial discusion on the list in a very long time. I though market share models died a long time ago. Are people still out there losing money in the short term in order to make money on the long term? On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 2:39 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: > Mikrotik, StarOS, or UBNT could all deliver those speeds. > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > -- > From: "RickG" > Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 8:19 PM > To: "WISPA General List" > Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL > > >> If so, with what equipment? >> >> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 1:35 PM, Marco Coelho > wrote: >> >>> Are you delivering that wireless? >>> >>> mc >>> >>> On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 9:08 PM, Jayson Baker > >>> wrote: >>> That's what we did. $24.95/mo gets you 12Mbps/6Mbps. $49.95/mo > gets you 20Mbps/6Mbps. We guarantee minimums--not just an "up to" speed. A lot of people really like that too. Our packages: www.peakinter.net On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 11:14 PM, MDK > wrote: > One of the things you have to keep in mind, is that you really do > have > to > offer y
Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL
Agreed, our monthly cost is about $16 per client. Including backhaul, staff, insurance, rent, etc. That does not even include tower upgrades and repairs. $29.99 is our cheapest service and I am moving anyone I can off of it due to the complaints that I get about speed. $39.99 is my basic service $39.99 1M/256k + $5 on-site maintenance (customer choice) and $2 for mail invoice (customer choice). Looking at VOIP as extra revenue source but have to get QOS implemented and figure out tax and filing rules. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Ehman Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 11:50 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL Have you run through the numbers to see if the $15.00 is a sustainable model? It seems like that is below cost or their break-even is years out. If that is the case, they will run out of cash at some point or customers will get terrible service when problems come up because the DSL company can't afford to hire anyone. It will hurt you for now but if you look at the numbers and see it isn't sustainable, I wouldn't worry too much. Right now though, I would buckle down and run a campaign with all employees and any marketing mean you have to take care of customers! If you take care of your customers, it will be very tough for the competition to pick them up for a cheaper price. Or, it will at least delay the process long enough for the DSL provider to realize they can't sustain those prices... If you find out it is sustainable, then look at possibly upgrading your network or doing other revenue generating ideas that the DSL provider isn't. Upgrading the network is a long process and very costly though. I would make VERY sure that the DSL provider can keep that $15.00 forever before doing anything with infrastructure. -Jeff "There is a difference" -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 9:58 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL And, interestingly enough, the digital cable boxes that they have been deploying lately have an integrated Docsis 3 modem. Inactive of course. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Kelley Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 12:41 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL Time Warner is a nightmare for a number of reasons... They are still running docsis 2 for goodness sake. While Docsis 2 was a great step forward over 1 - running @ 6.4MHz - allowing for some pretty interesting speeds... Docsis 3 is a huge step forward however - and would be a great deal for Time Warner to put into place... In short - Docsis 2 only allows support for 1 channel - thus a throughput of 30.72Mbit/s - where as Docsis 3 allows for multiple channels - and thus allows for each channel to push roughly 38mbps - so - # of channels x 30Mbit/s is absolutely awesome Not sure why they are not pushing this - ... In short - with 4 downstream and 4 upstream channels - Docsis 3 gives 122.88 Mbit/s with 8 channels down and 4 upstream - Docsis 3 gives 343Mbit/s down and 122.88 up Now if Comcast can do it - why cant Time Warner? On Mar 24, 2010, at 11:29 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: > Interesting that Time Warner bursts the residential accounts, their > Turbo > service started out pretty consistent about 6 months ago with always > being > 20+mbps. Now its "flakey" at best. One minute you run a speed test > and its > 22mbps, next test its 7mbps, all over the board now. > > Kurt Fankhauser > WAVELINC > P.O. Box 126 > Bucyrus, OH 44820 > 419-562-6405 > www.wavelinc.com > > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > On > Behalf Of RickG > Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 11:25 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL > > They must. Not just wireless either. My Time Warner Tech says they > burst all residential accounts. > > On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 11:20 PM, Kurt Fankhauser > wrote: >> I think most of the WISPS that offer 6+ mbps services are >> "bursting" for >> like the first 30 seconds, then they fall back to something like >> 1.5mbps. >> >> I asked myself the same question until I started to think about it, >> they > are >> bursting, I'm sure of it... >> >> Kurt Fankhauser >> WAVELINC >> P.O. Box 126 >> Bucyrus, OH 44820 >> 419-562-6405 >> www.wavelinc.com >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- >> boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behalf Of MDK >> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 8:31 PM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL >> >> Yes, they can, but only a few clients pe
Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL
Have you run through the numbers to see if the $15.00 is a sustainable model? It seems like that is below cost or their break-even is years out. If that is the case, they will run out of cash at some point or customers will get terrible service when problems come up because the DSL company can't afford to hire anyone. It will hurt you for now but if you look at the numbers and see it isn't sustainable, I wouldn't worry too much. Right now though, I would buckle down and run a campaign with all employees and any marketing mean you have to take care of customers! If you take care of your customers, it will be very tough for the competition to pick them up for a cheaper price. Or, it will at least delay the process long enough for the DSL provider to realize they can't sustain those prices... If you find out it is sustainable, then look at possibly upgrading your network or doing other revenue generating ideas that the DSL provider isn't. Upgrading the network is a long process and very costly though. I would make VERY sure that the DSL provider can keep that $15.00 forever before doing anything with infrastructure. -Jeff "There is a difference" -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 9:58 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL And, interestingly enough, the digital cable boxes that they have been deploying lately have an integrated Docsis 3 modem. Inactive of course. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Kelley Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 12:41 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL Time Warner is a nightmare for a number of reasons... They are still running docsis 2 for goodness sake. While Docsis 2 was a great step forward over 1 - running @ 6.4MHz - allowing for some pretty interesting speeds... Docsis 3 is a huge step forward however - and would be a great deal for Time Warner to put into place... In short - Docsis 2 only allows support for 1 channel - thus a throughput of 30.72Mbit/s - where as Docsis 3 allows for multiple channels - and thus allows for each channel to push roughly 38mbps - so - # of channels x 30Mbit/s is absolutely awesome Not sure why they are not pushing this - ... In short - with 4 downstream and 4 upstream channels - Docsis 3 gives 122.88 Mbit/s with 8 channels down and 4 upstream - Docsis 3 gives 343Mbit/s down and 122.88 up Now if Comcast can do it - why cant Time Warner? On Mar 24, 2010, at 11:29 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: > Interesting that Time Warner bursts the residential accounts, their > Turbo > service started out pretty consistent about 6 months ago with always > being > 20+mbps. Now its "flakey" at best. One minute you run a speed test > and its > 22mbps, next test its 7mbps, all over the board now. > > Kurt Fankhauser > WAVELINC > P.O. Box 126 > Bucyrus, OH 44820 > 419-562-6405 > www.wavelinc.com > > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > On > Behalf Of RickG > Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 11:25 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL > > They must. Not just wireless either. My Time Warner Tech says they > burst all residential accounts. > > On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 11:20 PM, Kurt Fankhauser > wrote: >> I think most of the WISPS that offer 6+ mbps services are >> "bursting" for >> like the first 30 seconds, then they fall back to something like >> 1.5mbps. >> >> I asked myself the same question until I started to think about it, >> they > are >> bursting, I'm sure of it... >> >> Kurt Fankhauser >> WAVELINC >> P.O. Box 126 >> Bucyrus, OH 44820 >> 419-562-6405 >> www.wavelinc.com >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- >> boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behalf Of MDK >> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 8:31 PM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL >> >> Yes, they can, but only a few clients per access point. You >> cannot do it >> with 30 clients on an 11A ap. You can if only 2-4 clients are ever >> busy > at >> the same time. But I'm seeing sustained 2mbit transfers for HOURS >> to >> around 20% of my clients. >> >> ++ >> Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy >> 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 >> ++ >> >> -- >> From: "Mike Hammett" >> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 11:39 AM >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL >> >>> Mikrotik, StarOS, or UBNT could all deliver those speeds. >>> >>> >>> - >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>> http://www.ics-il.com >>> >>> >>> >>>
Re: [WISPA] Make a profit with lower pricing? Was: how to compete with $15 DSL
A very well known example.. Dell. Dell advertises $400.00 systems and laptops. Anyone here ever end up with one at the advertised price? Probably not many. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 10:55 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Make a profit with lower pricing? Was: how to compete with $15 DSL We start at 29 bucks. The way I think, you always need the "bait" to bring them in, such as a low price. It's all sales after that. Bump up to a higher tier, equipment insurance, service call plan... etc. On the face of it, we look very inexpensive but the customer almost always elects to upgrade or add on something. My favorite is a customer who calls about the $29.00 plan but ends up asking "Do you have anything faster?" (Big Smile) Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 12:21 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Make a profit with lower pricing? Was: how to compete with $15 DSL But what is your ARPU? On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 12:02 AM, Travis Johnson wrote: > Hi, > > I have packages starting at $29.95/month and I'm quite profitable... > have been for over 12 years now... :) > > Travis > Microserv > > RickG wrote: >> Bob, >> >> We do the same here. Day one ROI upon installation. Not having any >> problems getting customers, In fact, we're growing faster than we >> ever have. Of course, there is a lot more to the cost of operating >> than just ROI upon install. Our lowest plan is $49.99/month. Which is >> the reason I responded to Jayson's post: >> >> Jayson Baker wrote: >> "$24.95/mo gets you 12Mbps/6Mbps. $49.95/mo gets you 20Mbps/6Mbps. We >> guarantee minimums--not just an "up to" speed" >> >> I'm always game to learn something. Every business model I've ever >> done only shows profit at $50/month ARPU. I'm just wondering if & >> where I'm going wrong. >> -RickG >> >> On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 6:34 PM, Robert West wrote: >> >>> Using UBNT, we have a zero day ROI. We pay the salesperson a commission and >>> the installer is paid by the job. Thus, the install fee and first month >>> service covers it all including the price of the radio/antenna. After that, >>> the monthly charge comes with not much effort unless the customer turns out >>> to be high maintenance and with that, we just start charging for service >>> calls and computer repairs. >>> >>> Just because one charges a small monthly fee doesnt mean you cant have add >>> on services, higher tiers or other profit areas. >>> >>> But even with that, we've had the "cheap skate" discussion before some >>> people will go with the 15 buck slow service no matter what. Let em'. You >>> deal with that type of offer with quality, service and educating your >>> market. The worst thing you could do, in my opinion, is to try to join in >>> their game. It only associates their low quality standards with you. Apple >>> computers doesnt sell $298 laptops for a reason. >>> >>> Bob- >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >>> Behalf Of RickG >>> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 3:29 PM >>> To: WISPA General List >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL >>> >>> Sure but I'm more curious about the business model for making money at >>> such low prices. UBNT is priced right and certainly helps but it would >>> still be tough to make a profit at only $24.95/month. I havent seen >>> one a financial discusion on the list in a very long time. I though >>> market share models died a long time ago. Are people still out there >>> losing money in the short term in order to make money on the long >>> term? >>> >>> On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 2:39 PM, Mike Hammett >>> wrote: >>> Mikrotik, StarOS, or UBNT could all deliver those speeds. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "RickG" Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 8:19 PM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL > If so, with what equipment? > > On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 1:35 PM, Marco Coelho wrote: > >> Are you delivering that wireless? >> >> mc >> >> On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 9:08 PM, Jayson Baker >> wrote: >> >>> That's what we did. $24.95/mo gets you 12Mbps/6Mbps. $49.95/mo gets >>> you >>> 20Mbps/6Mbps. >>> We guarantee minimums--not just an "up to" speed. A lot of people >>> really >>> like that too. >>> Our packages: www.peakinter.net >>> >>> On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 11:14 PM, MDK wrote: >>> >>> One of the things you have to keep in mind, is that you really
Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL
And, interestingly enough, the digital cable boxes that they have been deploying lately have an integrated Docsis 3 modem. Inactive of course. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Kelley Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 12:41 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL Time Warner is a nightmare for a number of reasons... They are still running docsis 2 for goodness sake. While Docsis 2 was a great step forward over 1 - running @ 6.4MHz - allowing for some pretty interesting speeds... Docsis 3 is a huge step forward however - and would be a great deal for Time Warner to put into place... In short - Docsis 2 only allows support for 1 channel - thus a throughput of 30.72Mbit/s - where as Docsis 3 allows for multiple channels - and thus allows for each channel to push roughly 38mbps - so - # of channels x 30Mbit/s is absolutely awesome Not sure why they are not pushing this - ... In short - with 4 downstream and 4 upstream channels - Docsis 3 gives 122.88 Mbit/s with 8 channels down and 4 upstream - Docsis 3 gives 343Mbit/s down and 122.88 up Now if Comcast can do it - why cant Time Warner? On Mar 24, 2010, at 11:29 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: > Interesting that Time Warner bursts the residential accounts, their > Turbo > service started out pretty consistent about 6 months ago with always > being > 20+mbps. Now its "flakey" at best. One minute you run a speed test > and its > 22mbps, next test its 7mbps, all over the board now. > > Kurt Fankhauser > WAVELINC > P.O. Box 126 > Bucyrus, OH 44820 > 419-562-6405 > www.wavelinc.com > > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] > On > Behalf Of RickG > Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 11:25 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL > > They must. Not just wireless either. My Time Warner Tech says they > burst all residential accounts. > > On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 11:20 PM, Kurt Fankhauser > wrote: >> I think most of the WISPS that offer 6+ mbps services are >> "bursting" for >> like the first 30 seconds, then they fall back to something like >> 1.5mbps. >> >> I asked myself the same question until I started to think about it, >> they > are >> bursting, I'm sure of it... >> >> Kurt Fankhauser >> WAVELINC >> P.O. Box 126 >> Bucyrus, OH 44820 >> 419-562-6405 >> www.wavelinc.com >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- >> boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behalf Of MDK >> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 8:31 PM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL >> >> Yes, they can, but only a few clients per access point. You >> cannot do it >> with 30 clients on an 11A ap. You can if only 2-4 clients are ever >> busy > at >> the same time. But I'm seeing sustained 2mbit transfers for HOURS >> to >> around 20% of my clients. >> >> ++ >> Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy >> 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 >> ++ >> >> -- >> From: "Mike Hammett" >> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 11:39 AM >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL >> >>> Mikrotik, StarOS, or UBNT could all deliver those speeds. >>> >>> >>> - >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>> http://www.ics-il.com >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> From: "RickG" >>> Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 8:19 PM >>> To: "WISPA General List" >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL >>> If so, with what equipment? On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 1:35 PM, Marco Coelho > wrote: > Are you delivering that wireless? > > mc > > On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 9:08 PM, Jayson Baker > > wrote: >> That's what we did. $24.95/mo gets you 12Mbps/6Mbps. $49.95/ >> mo gets >> you >> 20Mbps/6Mbps. >> We guarantee minimums--not just an "up to" speed. A lot of >> people >> really >> like that too. >> Our packages: www.peakinter.net >> >> On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 11:14 PM, MDK > wrote: >> >>> One of the things you have to keep in mind, is that you really >>> do > have >>> to >>> offer your customers a decent value for their dollars.35 >>> Bux for > a >>> fraction of a meg is darn steep pricing these days. We offer >>> a 300K >>> for >>> 25 >>> and 2 meg for 38.50, which is reasonably competitive. >>> >>> You don't' need to be the cheapest to be "competitive", but >>> you can't >>> be >>> way >>> outside of normal pricing. >>> >>> I'm thinking of throwing up some MIMO gear and offering >>> something > like >>> a 7 >>> meg service.Wa
Re: [WISPA] Interesting...
I see that you understand, young Padawan. :) Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 12:25 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Interesting... Sounds like Sprint and Clearwire are just putting the yard sign out-front for hiring 30 pizza delivery drivers Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 12:14 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Interesting... Clearwire steals the show at CTIA http://www.muniwireless.com/2010/03/24/how-sprint-and-clearwire-stole-the-sh ow-at-ctia/ Matt Larsen vistabeam.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Make a profit with lower pricing? Was: how to compete with $15 DSL
We start at 29 bucks. The way I think, you always need the "bait" to bring them in, such as a low price. It's all sales after that. Bump up to a higher tier, equipment insurance, service call plan... etc. On the face of it, we look very inexpensive but the customer almost always elects to upgrade or add on something. My favorite is a customer who calls about the $29.00 plan but ends up asking "Do you have anything faster?" (Big Smile) Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 12:21 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Make a profit with lower pricing? Was: how to compete with $15 DSL But what is your ARPU? On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 12:02 AM, Travis Johnson wrote: > Hi, > > I have packages starting at $29.95/month and I'm quite profitable... > have been for over 12 years now... :) > > Travis > Microserv > > RickG wrote: >> Bob, >> >> We do the same here. Day one ROI upon installation. Not having any >> problems getting customers, In fact, we're growing faster than we >> ever have. Of course, there is a lot more to the cost of operating >> than just ROI upon install. Our lowest plan is $49.99/month. Which is >> the reason I responded to Jayson's post: >> >> Jayson Baker wrote: >> "$24.95/mo gets you 12Mbps/6Mbps. $49.95/mo gets you 20Mbps/6Mbps. We >> guarantee minimums--not just an "up to" speed" >> >> I'm always game to learn something. Every business model I've ever >> done only shows profit at $50/month ARPU. I'm just wondering if & >> where I'm going wrong. >> -RickG >> >> On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 6:34 PM, Robert West wrote: >> >>> Using UBNT, we have a zero day ROI. We pay the salesperson a commission and >>> the installer is paid by the job. Thus, the install fee and first month >>> service covers it all including the price of the radio/antenna. After that, >>> the monthly charge comes with not much effort unless the customer turns out >>> to be high maintenance and with that, we just start charging for service >>> calls and computer repairs. >>> >>> Just because one charges a small monthly fee doesnt mean you cant have add >>> on services, higher tiers or other profit areas. >>> >>> But even with that, we've had the "cheap skate" discussion before some >>> people will go with the 15 buck slow service no matter what. Let em'. You >>> deal with that type of offer with quality, service and educating your >>> market. The worst thing you could do, in my opinion, is to try to join in >>> their game. It only associates their low quality standards with you. Apple >>> computers doesnt sell $298 laptops for a reason. >>> >>> Bob- >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >>> Behalf Of RickG >>> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 3:29 PM >>> To: WISPA General List >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL >>> >>> Sure but I'm more curious about the business model for making money at >>> such low prices. UBNT is priced right and certainly helps but it would >>> still be tough to make a profit at only $24.95/month. I havent seen >>> one a financial discusion on the list in a very long time. I though >>> market share models died a long time ago. Are people still out there >>> losing money in the short term in order to make money on the long >>> term? >>> >>> On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 2:39 PM, Mike Hammett >>> wrote: >>> Mikrotik, StarOS, or UBNT could all deliver those speeds. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "RickG" Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 8:19 PM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL > If so, with what equipment? > > On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 1:35 PM, Marco Coelho wrote: > >> Are you delivering that wireless? >> >> mc >> >> On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 9:08 PM, Jayson Baker >> wrote: >> >>> That's what we did. $24.95/mo gets you 12Mbps/6Mbps. $49.95/mo gets >>> you >>> 20Mbps/6Mbps. >>> We guarantee minimums--not just an "up to" speed. A lot of people >>> really >>> like that too. >>> Our packages: www.peakinter.net >>> >>> On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 11:14 PM, MDK wrote: >>> >>> One of the things you have to keep in mind, is that you really do have to offer your customers a decent value for their dollars. 35 Bux for a fraction of a meg is darn steep pricing these days. We offer a 300K for 25 and 2 meg for 38.50, which is reasonably competitive. You don't' need to be the cheapest to be "competitive", but you can't be way outside of normal pricing. I'm thinking
Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL
I've noticed Time Warner having speed issues as well. It must be system wide. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 11:29 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL Interesting that Time Warner bursts the residential accounts, their Turbo service started out pretty consistent about 6 months ago with always being 20+mbps. Now its "flakey" at best. One minute you run a speed test and its 22mbps, next test its 7mbps, all over the board now. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 11:25 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL They must. Not just wireless either. My Time Warner Tech says they burst all residential accounts. On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 11:20 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: > I think most of the WISPS that offer 6+ mbps services are "bursting" for > like the first 30 seconds, then they fall back to something like 1.5mbps. > > I asked myself the same question until I started to think about it, they are > bursting, I'm sure of it... > > Kurt Fankhauser > WAVELINC > P.O. Box 126 > Bucyrus, OH 44820 > 419-562-6405 > www.wavelinc.com > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On > Behalf Of MDK > Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 8:31 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL > > Yes, they can, but only a few clients per access point. You cannot do it > with 30 clients on an 11A ap. You can if only 2-4 clients are ever busy at > the same time. But I'm seeing sustained 2mbit transfers for HOURS to > around 20% of my clients. > > ++ > Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy > 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 > ++ > > -- > From: "Mike Hammett" > Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 11:39 AM > To: "WISPA General List" > Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL > >> Mikrotik, StarOS, or UBNT could all deliver those speeds. >> >> >> - >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> http://www.ics-il.com >> >> >> >> -- >> From: "RickG" >> Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 8:19 PM >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL >> >>> If so, with what equipment? >>> >>> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 1:35 PM, Marco Coelho wrote: Are you delivering that wireless? mc On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 9:08 PM, Jayson Baker wrote: > That's what we did. $24.95/mo gets you 12Mbps/6Mbps. $49.95/mo gets > you > 20Mbps/6Mbps. > We guarantee minimums--not just an "up to" speed. A lot of people > really > like that too. > Our packages: www.peakinter.net > > On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 11:14 PM, MDK wrote: > >> One of the things you have to keep in mind, is that you really do have >> to >> offer your customers a decent value for their dollars. 35 Bux for a >> fraction of a meg is darn steep pricing these days. We offer a 300K >> for >> 25 >> and 2 meg for 38.50, which is reasonably competitive. >> >> You don't' need to be the cheapest to be "competitive", but you can't >> be >> way >> outside of normal pricing. >> >> I'm thinking of throwing up some MIMO gear and offering something like >> a 7 >> meg service. Was thinking of making it about 75 / mo. Not the >> cheapest. Not the most expensive, either. What would 7 meg be in >> your >> area? >> >> >> >> ++ >> Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy >> 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 >> ++ >> >> -- >> From: "Kurt Fankhauser" >> Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 8:05 AM >> To: "'WISPA General List'" >> Subject: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL >> >> > Local phone company here just expanded their DSL coverage area and >> > mailed >> > out fliers to everyone for $15 DSL. I see no mention of it being a >> > promotional price. One person said as long as you have it they will >> > not >> > raise the rate from $15. Think its for 768k service. Anyways we are >> > getting >> > about 1 person a day switching from our $35/month/768k wireless >> > service >> to >> > this DSL. Does anyone have any suggestions as to how to retain these >> > customers They are not even giving us a chance to offer them a >> > lower >> > price as they all already have the DSL turned on and been u
Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL
Like Road Runners "Turbo Boost". They make it out to be a big deal. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 11:20 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL I think most of the WISPS that offer 6+ mbps services are "bursting" for like the first 30 seconds, then they fall back to something like 1.5mbps. I asked myself the same question until I started to think about it, they are bursting, I'm sure of it... Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of MDK Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 8:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL Yes, they can, but only a few clients per access point. You cannot do it with 30 clients on an 11A ap. You can if only 2-4 clients are ever busy at the same time. But I'm seeing sustained 2mbit transfers for HOURS to around 20% of my clients. ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ -- From: "Mike Hammett" Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 11:39 AM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL > Mikrotik, StarOS, or UBNT could all deliver those speeds. > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > > -- > From: "RickG" > Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 8:19 PM > To: "WISPA General List" > Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL > >> If so, with what equipment? >> >> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 1:35 PM, Marco Coelho wrote: >>> Are you delivering that wireless? >>> >>> mc >>> >>> On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 9:08 PM, Jayson Baker >>> wrote: That's what we did. $24.95/mo gets you 12Mbps/6Mbps. $49.95/mo gets you 20Mbps/6Mbps. We guarantee minimums--not just an "up to" speed. A lot of people really like that too. Our packages: www.peakinter.net On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 11:14 PM, MDK wrote: > One of the things you have to keep in mind, is that you really do have > to > offer your customers a decent value for their dollars.35 Bux for a > fraction of a meg is darn steep pricing these days. We offer a 300K > for > 25 > and 2 meg for 38.50, which is reasonably competitive. > > You don't' need to be the cheapest to be "competitive", but you can't > be > way > outside of normal pricing. > > I'm thinking of throwing up some MIMO gear and offering something like > a 7 > meg service.Was thinking of making it about 75 / mo.Not the > cheapest. Not the most expensive, either. What would 7 meg be in > your > area? > > > > ++ > Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy > 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 > ++ > > -- > From: "Kurt Fankhauser" > Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 8:05 AM > To: "'WISPA General List'" > Subject: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL > > > Local phone company here just expanded their DSL coverage area and > > mailed > > out fliers to everyone for $15 DSL. I see no mention of it being a > > promotional price. One person said as long as you have it they will > > not > > raise the rate from $15. Think its for 768k service. Anyways we are > > getting > > about 1 person a day switching from our $35/month/768k wireless > > service > to > > this DSL. Does anyone have any suggestions as to how to retain these > > customers They are not even giving us a chance to offer them a > > lower > > price as they all already have the DSL turned on and been using it > > for a > > month before they cancel ours. > > > > > > > > Kurt Fankhauser > > WAVELINC > > P.O. Box 126 > > Bucyrus, OH 44820 > > 419-562-6405 > > www.wavelinc.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > WISPA Wants You!
Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL
Some of the modems can be flashed and work with 3.0. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 25, 2010, at 12:18 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: > Does it have reverse compatibility with the old modems and cabling? > If it's a software upgrade they'd be dumb not to. If it's a lot of > hardware the cost may not justify the update. > > Josh Luthman > Office: 937-552-2340 > Direct: 937-552-2343 > 1100 Wayne St > Suite 1337 > Troy, OH 45373 > > “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to > continue that counts.” > --- Winston Churchill > > > > On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 1:07 AM, Glenn Kelley > wrote: >> well - i think they dont for a few reasons... >> But the point is - they can. for most systems it is a pretty simple >> update... >> >> I am not saying simply sell it at the same price mind you... but ... >> if they can charge $200 vs $50 - thats a heck of a revenue >> increase... >> >> love the Churchill statement btw :-) >> >> On Mar 25, 2010, at 12:45 AM, Josh Luthman wrote: >> >>> Why do it...? >>> >>> If TWC has customers why upgrade them and give them better >>> speeds? I >>> doubt a significant number of people are switching from TWC to >>> another >>> provider for higher speeds. >>> >>> Why aren't you replacing every one of your 5.7 APs with the pmp430? >>> >>> Josh Luthman >>> Office: 937-552-2340 >>> Direct: 937-552-2343 >>> 1100 Wayne St >>> Suite 1337 >>> Troy, OH 45373 >>> >>> “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to >>> continue that counts.” >>> --- Winston Churchill >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 12:41 AM, Glenn Kelley >>> wrote: Time Warner is a nightmare for a number of reasons... They are still running docsis 2 for goodness sake. While Docsis 2 was a great step forward over 1 - running @ 6.4MHz - allowing for some pretty interesting speeds... Docsis 3 is a huge step forward however - and would be a great deal for Time Warner to put into place... In short - Docsis 2 only allows support for 1 channel - thus a throughput of 30.72Mbit/s - where as Docsis 3 allows for multiple channels - and thus allows for each channel to push roughly 38mbps - so - # of channels x 30Mbit/s is absolutely awesome Not sure why they are not pushing this - ... In short - with 4 downstream and 4 upstream channels - Docsis 3 gives 122.88 Mbit/s with 8 channels down and 4 upstream - Docsis 3 gives 343Mbit/s down and 122.88 up Now if Comcast can do it - why cant Time Warner? On Mar 24, 2010, at 11:29 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: > Interesting that Time Warner bursts the residential accounts, > their > Turbo > service started out pretty consistent about 6 months ago with > always > being > 20+mbps. Now its "flakey" at best. One minute you run a speed test > and its > 22mbps, next test its 7mbps, all over the board now. > > Kurt Fankhauser > WAVELINC > P.O. Box 126 > Bucyrus, OH 44820 > 419-562-6405 > www.wavelinc.com > > > > -Original Message- > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- > boun...@wispa.org] > On > Behalf Of RickG > Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 11:25 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL > > They must. Not just wireless either. My Time Warner Tech says they > burst all residential accounts. > > On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 11:20 PM, Kurt Fankhauser > wrote: >> I think most of the WISPS that offer 6+ mbps services are >> "bursting" for >> like the first 30 seconds, then they fall back to something like >> 1.5mbps. >> >> I asked myself the same question until I started to think about >> it, >> they > are >> bursting, I'm sure of it... >> >> Kurt Fankhauser >> WAVELINC >> P.O. Box 126 >> Bucyrus, OH 44820 >> 419-562-6405 >> www.wavelinc.com >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- >> boun...@wispa.org] On >> Behalf Of MDK >> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 8:31 PM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL >> >> Yes, they can, but only a few clients per access point. You >> cannot do it >> with 30 clients on an 11A ap. You can if only 2-4 clients are >> ever >> busy > at >> the same time. But I'm seeing sustained 2mbit transfers for >> HOURS >> to >> around 20% of my clients. >> >> ++ >> Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy >> 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 >> ++ >> >> -- >> From: "Mike Hammett" >> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 11:39 AM >> To: "WISPA Genera
Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL
Docsis 3.0 is available here and while the do have higher download speeds, the upload has not improved and stays at a little over 2 mb. That is where we compete with higher upload and more reliable service. Also if you have a problem we are on the way. Comcast may be tomorrow or the next day. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 24, 2010, at 11:41 PM, Glenn Kelley wrote: > Time Warner is a nightmare for a number of reasons... > They are still running docsis 2 for goodness sake. > > While Docsis 2 was a great step forward over 1 - running @ 6.4MHz - > allowing for some pretty interesting speeds... > Docsis 3 is a huge step forward however - and would be a great deal > for Time Warner to put into place... > > In short - Docsis 2 only allows support for 1 channel - thus a > throughput of 30.72Mbit/s - where as Docsis 3 allows for multiple > channels - and thus allows for each channel to push roughly 38mbps - > so - # of channels x 30Mbit/s is absolutely awesome > > Not sure why they are not pushing this - ... > > In short - with 4 downstream and 4 upstream channels - Docsis 3 gives > 122.88 Mbit/s > with 8 channels down and 4 upstream - Docsis 3 gives 343Mbit/s down > and 122.88 up > > Now if Comcast can do it - why cant Time Warner? > > > On Mar 24, 2010, at 11:29 PM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: > >> Interesting that Time Warner bursts the residential accounts, their >> Turbo >> service started out pretty consistent about 6 months ago with always >> being >> 20+mbps. Now its "flakey" at best. One minute you run a speed test >> and its >> 22mbps, next test its 7mbps, all over the board now. >> >> Kurt Fankhauser >> WAVELINC >> P.O. Box 126 >> Bucyrus, OH 44820 >> 419-562-6405 >> www.wavelinc.com >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] >> On >> Behalf Of RickG >> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 11:25 PM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL >> >> They must. Not just wireless either. My Time Warner Tech says they >> burst all residential accounts. >> >> On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 11:20 PM, Kurt Fankhauser >> wrote: >>> I think most of the WISPS that offer 6+ mbps services are >>> "bursting" for >>> like the first 30 seconds, then they fall back to something like >>> 1.5mbps. >>> >>> I asked myself the same question until I started to think about it, >>> they >> are >>> bursting, I'm sure of it... >>> >>> Kurt Fankhauser >>> WAVELINC >>> P.O. Box 126 >>> Bucyrus, OH 44820 >>> 419-562-6405 >>> www.wavelinc.com >>> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- >>> boun...@wispa.org] On >>> Behalf Of MDK >>> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 8:31 PM >>> To: WISPA General List >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL >>> >>> Yes, they can, but only a few clients per access point. You >>> cannot do it >>> with 30 clients on an 11A ap. You can if only 2-4 clients are ever >>> busy >> at >>> the same time. But I'm seeing sustained 2mbit transfers for HOURS >>> to >>> around 20% of my clients. >>> >>> ++ >>> Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy >>> 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 >>> ++ >>> >>> -- >>> From: "Mike Hammett" >>> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 11:39 AM >>> To: "WISPA General List" >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL >>> Mikrotik, StarOS, or UBNT could all deliver those speeds. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "RickG" Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 8:19 PM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] how to compete with $15 DSL > If so, with what equipment? > > On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 1:35 PM, Marco Coelho >> wrote: >> Are you delivering that wireless? >> >> mc >> >> On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 9:08 PM, Jayson Baker >> >> wrote: >>> That's what we did. $24.95/mo gets you 12Mbps/6Mbps. $49.95/ >>> mo gets >>> you >>> 20Mbps/6Mbps. >>> We guarantee minimums--not just an "up to" speed. A lot of >>> people >>> really >>> like that too. >>> Our packages: www.peakinter.net >>> >>> On Mon, Mar 15, 2010 at 11:14 PM, MDK >> wrote: >>> One of the things you have to keep in mind, is that you really do >> have to offer your customers a decent value for their dollars.35 Bux for >> a fraction of a meg is darn steep pricing these days. We offer a 300K for 25 and 2 meg for 38.50, which is reasonably competitive. You don't' need to be the cheapest to be "competitive", but you can't be way outside of normal pricing. I'm
