Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik routing/queing problem

[Josh Luthman]

Check that again...

[jluth...@jmlhomerouter] > sys resour pr
   uptime: 1w6d11h14m7s
  version: "4.9"
  free-memory: 15668kB
 total-memory: 29944kB
  cpu: "MIPS 24K V7.4"
cpu-count: 1
cpu-frequency: 400MHz
 cpu-load: 7
   free-hdd-space: 30796kB
  total-hdd-space: 61440kB
  write-sect-since-reboot: 2201993
 write-sect-total: 2298678
   bad-blocks: 0
architecture-name: "mipsbe"
   board-name: "RB750"
 platform: "MikroTik"
[jluth...@jmlhomerouter] > sys routerb pr
   routerboard: yes
 model: "750"
 serial-number: "qqpewpew"
  current-firmware: "2.22"
  upgrade-firmware: "2.26"

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On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 1:49 AM, Kevin Sullivan
 wrote:
> 4.9
> - Original Message -
> From: "Josh Luthman" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 12:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik routing/queing problem
>
>
> Also what firmware (sys routerboar pr)?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue
> that counts.”
> --- Winston Churchill
>
>
> On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 3:15 PM, Greg Ihnen  wrote:
>
>> What version of RouterOS are you running?
>>
>> Greg
>>
>> On May 26, 2010, at 12:46 PM, Kevin Sullivan wrote:
>>
>> > I think I have found a legitimate bug.  I'm running an RB1000 that
>> > we put in service about 2 weeks ago (it replaced another RB1000 that was
>> > having similar problems).  Here is what is going on:
>> >
>> > Linux router  "A" <-> [ether1] RB1000 [ether3] <--->
>> Linux router "B"
>> >
>> >
>> > The RB1000 above is connected to the two hosts shown.
>> > Each link A < > RB1000 < > B has latency ~1ms.  We are not using any
>> > Mikrotik wireless.
>> >
>> > A and B both know that they can reach each other through the RB1000
>> (thanks
>> > to OSPF).
>> >
>> > A and B are Linux routers.  When I ping B from A (traffic going through
>> the
>> > RB1000), I get no response.  When I log into B and tcpdump traffic, I
>> > can
>> > see icmp echo request packets coming in from A, and echo reply packets
>> going
>> > out to A.  Fine.  I then log into the RB1000 and packet sniff ether1 and
>> > ether3.
>> >
>> > ether1 packet sniff shows icmp request packets coming in.  ether3 shows
>> icmp
>> > request packets going out, and icmp reply packets coming in.  However,
>> the
>> > replies are not going out ether1.
>> >
>> > BUT after several minutes, A starts seeing replies.
>> >
>> > 64 bytes from x.x.x.x: icmp_seq=1049 ttl=63 time=671216 ms
>> > 64 bytes from x.x.x.x: icmp_seq=1095 ttl=63 time=628217 ms
>> > 64 bytes from x.x.x.x: icmp_seq=1142 ttl=63 time=584217 ms
>> > 64 bytes from x.x.x.x: icmp_seq=1188 ttl=63 time=541218 ms
>> > 64 bytes from x.x.x.x: icmp_seq=1235 ttl=63 time=497234 ms
>> >
>> > the RB1000 has been queuing my ICMP packets for ~500 seconds!!
>> >
>> > I STOP pinging from A and packet sniff ether1 on the RB1000 again.  It
>> > is
>> > STILL sending out queued ICMP replies from A, even though I am
>> > not sending requests anymore.
>> >
>> > Several minutes after I stop pinging from A, the RB1000 stops sending
>> > replies on ether1.
>> >
>> > Clients have been complaining for months about slow speeds passing
>> traffic
>> > through this router.  I've also noticed high CPU utilization, even when
>> > normal CPU hungry tasks were turned off (one mangle rule, no queues, no
>> > proxy, no DNS, etc).   During the day, we see 70-80% CPU utilization.
>>  The
>> > previous router (same config) went to 100% utilization, which is why we
>> > replaced it.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> >
>> > Kevin
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik routing/queing problem

[Kevin Sullivan]

No, it's a gig link, set to auto neg.

Kevin
- Original Message - 
From: "RickG" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 6:55 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik routing/queing problem


I havent seen that on my RB1000. Do you have the ports locked down to
a set rate?

On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 1:16 PM, Kevin Sullivan
 wrote:
> I think I have found a legitimate bug. I'm running an RB1000 that
> we put in service about 2 weeks ago (it replaced another RB1000 that was
> having similar problems). Here is what is going on:
>
> Linux router "A" <-> [ether1] RB1000 [ether3] <---> Linux 
> router "B"
>
>
> The RB1000 above is connected to the two hosts shown.
> Each link A < > RB1000 < > B has latency ~1ms. We are not using any
> Mikrotik wireless.
>
> A and B both know that they can reach each other through the RB1000 
> (thanks
> to OSPF).
>
> A and B are Linux routers. When I ping B from A (traffic going through the
> RB1000), I get no response. When I log into B and tcpdump traffic, I can
> see icmp echo request packets coming in from A, and echo reply packets 
> going
> out to A. Fine. I then log into the RB1000 and packet sniff ether1 and
> ether3.
>
> ether1 packet sniff shows icmp request packets coming in. ether3 shows 
> icmp
> request packets going out, and icmp reply packets coming in. However, the
> replies are not going out ether1.
>
> BUT after several minutes, A starts seeing replies.
>
> 64 bytes from x.x.x.x: icmp_seq=1049 ttl=63 time=671216 ms
> 64 bytes from x.x.x.x: icmp_seq=1095 ttl=63 time=628217 ms
> 64 bytes from x.x.x.x: icmp_seq=1142 ttl=63 time=584217 ms
> 64 bytes from x.x.x.x: icmp_seq=1188 ttl=63 time=541218 ms
> 64 bytes from x.x.x.x: icmp_seq=1235 ttl=63 time=497234 ms
>
> the RB1000 has been queuing my ICMP packets for ~500 seconds!!
>
> I STOP pinging from A and packet sniff ether1 on the RB1000 again. It is
> STILL sending out queued ICMP replies from A, even though I am
> not sending requests anymore.
>
> Several minutes after I stop pinging from A, the RB1000 stops sending
> replies on ether1.
>
> Clients have been complaining for months about slow speeds passing traffic
> through this router. I've also noticed high CPU utilization, even when
> normal CPU hungry tasks were turned off (one mangle rule, no queues, no
> proxy, no DNS, etc). During the day, we see 70-80% CPU utilization. The
> previous router (same config) went to 100% utilization, which is why we
> replaced it.
>
> Regards,
>
> Kevin
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik routing/queing problem

[Kevin Sullivan]

4.9
- Original Message - 
From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 12:18 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik routing/queing problem


Also what firmware (sys routerboar pr)?

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Direct: 937-552-2343
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Suite 1337
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that counts.”
--- Winston Churchill


On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 3:15 PM, Greg Ihnen  wrote:

> What version of RouterOS are you running?
>
> Greg
>
> On May 26, 2010, at 12:46 PM, Kevin Sullivan wrote:
>
> > I think I have found a legitimate bug.  I'm running an RB1000 that
> > we put in service about 2 weeks ago (it replaced another RB1000 that was
> > having similar problems).  Here is what is going on:
> >
> > Linux router  "A" <-> [ether1] RB1000 [ether3] <--->
> Linux router "B"
> >
> >
> > The RB1000 above is connected to the two hosts shown.
> > Each link A < > RB1000 < > B has latency ~1ms.  We are not using any
> > Mikrotik wireless.
> >
> > A and B both know that they can reach each other through the RB1000
> (thanks
> > to OSPF).
> >
> > A and B are Linux routers.  When I ping B from A (traffic going through
> the
> > RB1000), I get no response.  When I log into B and tcpdump traffic, I 
> > can
> > see icmp echo request packets coming in from A, and echo reply packets
> going
> > out to A.  Fine.  I then log into the RB1000 and packet sniff ether1 and
> > ether3.
> >
> > ether1 packet sniff shows icmp request packets coming in.  ether3 shows
> icmp
> > request packets going out, and icmp reply packets coming in.  However,
> the
> > replies are not going out ether1.
> >
> > BUT after several minutes, A starts seeing replies.
> >
> > 64 bytes from x.x.x.x: icmp_seq=1049 ttl=63 time=671216 ms
> > 64 bytes from x.x.x.x: icmp_seq=1095 ttl=63 time=628217 ms
> > 64 bytes from x.x.x.x: icmp_seq=1142 ttl=63 time=584217 ms
> > 64 bytes from x.x.x.x: icmp_seq=1188 ttl=63 time=541218 ms
> > 64 bytes from x.x.x.x: icmp_seq=1235 ttl=63 time=497234 ms
> >
> > the RB1000 has been queuing my ICMP packets for ~500 seconds!!
> >
> > I STOP pinging from A and packet sniff ether1 on the RB1000 again.  It 
> > is
> > STILL sending out queued ICMP replies from A, even though I am
> > not sending requests anymore.
> >
> > Several minutes after I stop pinging from A, the RB1000 stops sending
> > replies on ether1.
> >
> > Clients have been complaining for months about slow speeds passing
> traffic
> > through this router.  I've also noticed high CPU utilization, even when
> > normal CPU hungry tasks were turned off (one mangle rule, no queues, no
> > proxy, no DNS, etc).   During the day, we see 70-80% CPU utilization.
>  The
> > previous router (same config) went to 100% utilization, which is why we
> > replaced it.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Kevin
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [WISPA] Free Public WiFi

[RickG]

I woudlnt know but some say it costs to get the "good stuff".

On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 9:40 PM, Greg Ihnen  wrote:
> Aren't the two synonymous?
>
> Greg
>
> On May 26, 2010, at 8:29 PM, RickG wrote:
>
>> Try "Free Porn" and see how many connect!
>>
>> On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 1:10 PM, Robert West  
>> wrote:
>>> For fun I name all the private wifi routers to an SSID of "Virus".  The
>>> attempts to connect have dropped considerably.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Patrick Leary
>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 12:24 PM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Free Public WiFi
>>>
>>> ...a little OT, but, after being party to all the "free" craziness of
>>> Earthlink, etc. just the title "Free Public Wi-Fi" makes me break out in
>>> hives...
>>>
>>>
>>> Patrick Leary
>>> Aperto Networks
>>> 813.426.4230 mobile
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Steve Barnes
>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:06 AM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: [WISPA] Free Public WiFi
>>>
>>> I am embarrassed to ask here but I am going to anyway.
>>>
>>> I have some customers laptops that have been here lately with the "Free
>>> Public WiFi" ssid on them.  I know that this is a Microsoft screw up on
>>> the Zero Wireless Connections.  I have made the stations so that they
>>> can only connect to a AP in the future.  But the "Free Public WiFi" SSID
>>> still shows up on the systems even when the Wireless card is turned off.
>>> I have removed all preferred SSIDs and still nothing.  Any one know how
>>> to kill this out of a Win XP system. (without going to Linux)
>>>
>>> Steve Barnes
>>> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
>>>
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik routing/queing problem

[RickG]

I havent seen that on my RB1000. Do you have the ports locked down to
a set rate?

On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 1:16 PM, Kevin Sullivan
 wrote:
>  I think I have found a legitimate bug.  I'm running an RB1000 that
> we put in service about 2 weeks ago (it replaced another RB1000 that was
> having similar problems).  Here is what is going on:
>
> Linux router  "A" <-> [ether1] RB1000 [ether3] <---> Linux 
> router "B"
>
>
> The RB1000 above is connected to the two hosts shown.
> Each link A < > RB1000 < > B has latency ~1ms.  We are not using any
> Mikrotik wireless.
>
> A and B both know that they can reach each other through the RB1000 (thanks
> to OSPF).
>
> A and B are Linux routers.  When I ping B from A (traffic going through the
> RB1000), I get no response.  When I log into B and tcpdump traffic, I can
> see icmp echo request packets coming in from A, and echo reply packets going
> out to A.  Fine.  I then log into the RB1000 and packet sniff ether1 and
> ether3.
>
> ether1 packet sniff shows icmp request packets coming in.  ether3 shows icmp
> request packets going out, and icmp reply packets coming in.  However, the
> replies are not going out ether1.
>
> BUT after several minutes, A starts seeing replies.
>
> 64 bytes from x.x.x.x: icmp_seq=1049 ttl=63 time=671216 ms
> 64 bytes from x.x.x.x: icmp_seq=1095 ttl=63 time=628217 ms
> 64 bytes from x.x.x.x: icmp_seq=1142 ttl=63 time=584217 ms
> 64 bytes from x.x.x.x: icmp_seq=1188 ttl=63 time=541218 ms
> 64 bytes from x.x.x.x: icmp_seq=1235 ttl=63 time=497234 ms
>
> the RB1000 has been queuing my ICMP packets for ~500 seconds!!
>
> I STOP pinging from A and packet sniff ether1 on the RB1000 again.  It is
> STILL sending out queued ICMP replies from A, even though I am
> not sending requests anymore.
>
> Several minutes after I stop pinging from A, the RB1000 stops sending
> replies on ether1.
>
> Clients have been complaining for months about slow speeds passing traffic
> through this router.  I've also noticed high CPU utilization, even when
> normal CPU hungry tasks were turned off (one mangle rule, no queues, no
> proxy, no DNS, etc).   During the day, we see 70-80% CPU utilization.  The
> previous router (same config) went to 100% utilization, which is why we
> replaced it.
>
> Regards,
>
> Kevin
>
>
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Free Public WiFi

[Greg Ihnen]

Aren't the two synonymous?

Greg

On May 26, 2010, at 8:29 PM, RickG wrote:

> Try "Free Porn" and see how many connect!
> 
> On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 1:10 PM, Robert West  
> wrote:
>> For fun I name all the private wifi routers to an SSID of "Virus".  The
>> attempts to connect have dropped considerably.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Patrick Leary
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 12:24 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Free Public WiFi
>> 
>> ...a little OT, but, after being party to all the "free" craziness of
>> Earthlink, etc. just the title "Free Public Wi-Fi" makes me break out in
>> hives...
>> 
>> 
>> Patrick Leary
>> Aperto Networks
>> 813.426.4230 mobile
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Steve Barnes
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:06 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: [WISPA] Free Public WiFi
>> 
>> I am embarrassed to ask here but I am going to anyway.
>> 
>> I have some customers laptops that have been here lately with the "Free
>> Public WiFi" ssid on them.  I know that this is a Microsoft screw up on
>> the Zero Wireless Connections.  I have made the stations so that they
>> can only connect to a AP in the future.  But the "Free Public WiFi" SSID
>> still shows up on the systems even when the Wireless card is turned off.
>> I have removed all preferred SSIDs and still nothing.  Any one know how
>> to kill this out of a Win XP system. (without going to Linux)
>> 
>> Steve Barnes
>> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [WISPA] Article in a farm magazine

[Robert West]

Interesting.  I've sold quite a lot of the old Nano2s to farmers for the
same reason.  Sometimes over the counter as retail and others where we go
out to put in the private link for them  One thing all the farmers want is
internet in the barn!  

Bob-


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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 8:58 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Article in a farm magazine

I noticed this in a farm magazine we receive today.


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Re: [WISPA] Free Public WiFi

[RickG]

Try "Free Porn" and see how many connect!

On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 1:10 PM, Robert West  wrote:
> For fun I name all the private wifi routers to an SSID of "Virus".  The
> attempts to connect have dropped considerably.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Patrick Leary
> Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 12:24 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Free Public WiFi
>
> ...a little OT, but, after being party to all the "free" craziness of
> Earthlink, etc. just the title "Free Public Wi-Fi" makes me break out in
> hives...
>
>
> Patrick Leary
> Aperto Networks
> 813.426.4230 mobile
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Steve Barnes
> Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:06 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] Free Public WiFi
>
> I am embarrassed to ask here but I am going to anyway.
>
> I have some customers laptops that have been here lately with the "Free
> Public WiFi" ssid on them.  I know that this is a Microsoft screw up on
> the Zero Wireless Connections.  I have made the stations so that they
> can only connect to a AP in the future.  But the "Free Public WiFi" SSID
> still shows up on the systems even when the Wireless card is turned off.
> I have removed all preferred SSIDs and still nothing.  Any one know how
> to kill this out of a Win XP system. (without going to Linux)
>
> Steve Barnes
> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
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Re: [WISPA] Ligo Wave

[Harold Bledsoe]

Hi Justin,

Check with Ligowave support (supp...@ligowave.com) and get an updated fw
image.  It improves the performance quite a bit especially in noisy
environments.

And yes they are certified.

-Hal

On Wed, 2010-05-26 at 15:39 -0400, Justin Wilson wrote:
> Have deployed 5 of the Mimo ligowave units.  Not impressed when
> comparing to what they say.  Havign said that I am impressed with what they
> can do.  I have not checked lately.  Are they FCC Certified?





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Re: [WISPA] Fast DNS cache

[Chris Gotstein]

Dang, time to tweak!

   
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On 5/26/2010 1:53 PM, Jon Auer wrote:
> Another unbound user! high five!
> 
> But... I can beat that :)
> 
> Querying Unbound on Solaris 10/Sparc, across cisco sup720 router.
> (0.700ms pings to DNS server)
> ;; Query time: 1 msec
> ;; SERVER: 209.242.224.245#53(209.242.224.245)
> ;; WHEN: Wed May 26 13:50:31 2010
> ;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 95
> 
> On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 12:22 PM, Chris Gotstein  wrote:
>> I can beat that :)
>>
>> dig afmug.com
>>
>> ;; Query time: 3 msec
>> ;; SERVER: 66.96.96.10#53(66.96.96.10)
>> ;; WHEN: Wed May 26 12:21:22 2010
>> ;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 95
>>
>> That's an unbound server running on FreeBSD.
>>
>>
>>    
>> Chris Gotstein, Sr Network Engineer, UP Logon/Computer Connection UP
>> http://uplogon.com | +1 906 774 4847 | ch...@uplogon.com
>>
>> On 5/26/2010 12:17 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote:
>>> >From our NOC. First query=309ms. Cached=7ms
>>>
 dig afmug.com @8.8.8.8
>>> ;; Query time: 309 msec
>>> ;; SERVER: 8.8.8.8#53(8.8.8.8)
>>> ;; WHEN: Wed May 26 10:09:45 2010
>>> ;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 43
>>>
 dig afmug.com @8.8.8.8
>>> ;; Query time: 7 msec
>>> ;; SERVER: 8.8.8.8#53(8.8.8.8)
>>> ;; WHEN: Wed May 26 10:10:06 2010
>>> ;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 43
>>>
>>> Pretty rediculous.
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
>>> Behalf Of Greg Ihnen
>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 10:07 AM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fast DNS cache
>>>
>>> That's ping time not dns resolution time, but I guess it at least says 
>>> something about their connection.
>>>
>>> On May 26, 2010, at 12:35 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote:
>>>
 That is true. I can live with it though ;-)

 Ping statistics for 8.8.8.8:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
 Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 3ms, Maximum = 4ms, Average = 3ms


 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
 Behalf Of Travis Johnson
 Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:58 AM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fast DNS cache

 Not faster than having your own servers on your own network... ;)

 Travis
 Microserv


 Jerry Richardson wrote:
> I can't believe how fast the google servers are.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of David E. Smith
> Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:48 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fast DNS cache
>
> On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 11:40, Mike Hammett  
> wrote:
>
>> I am setting up some new DNS servers and I'd like to figure out what the
>> quickest caching DNS server is.  Google keeps telling me to go to Open
>> DNS.  I'm not opposed to them and may use them as either primary or
>> secondary, but I want at least one server within my own network.
>>
>
> If you're looking for off-site service, I'm surprised Google isn't
> plugging their own public caching-only DNS servers (8.8.8.8 and
> 8.8.4.4, I think).
>
> If you want to install your own, just use BIND.
>
> David Smith
> MVN.net
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Re: [WISPA] Ligo Wave

[Justin Wilson]

Have deployed 5 of the Mimo ligowave units.  Not impressed when
comparing to what they say.  Havign said that I am impressed with what they
can do.  I have not checked lately.  Are they FCC Certified?
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From: Steve Barnes 
Reply-To: WISPA General List 
Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 14:48:22 -0400
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: [WISPA] Ligo Wave

Looking at pros and Cons of the LigoWave 5GHz PTP MiMo Units.  I have a
price of <$1200 /end compared to $2100 /end for RADWIN 2000c.  RADWIN is
solid and a good unit.  But saving $1800 on a single link is a extra
vacation.

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PCS-WIN
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Re: [WISPA] Fast DNS cache

[Jon Auer]

For what its worth, Google namebench (
http://code.google.com/p/namebench/ ) showed that our caching DNS
servers were faster than Google's public ones or OpenDNS. Guess our
users keep the cache warm.
I'd encourage everyone to run namebench and tune up their DNS servers
or select the fastest ones.

What works for us at the moment is 3 boxes running Unbound on Solaris
10 behind IOS SLB load balancer.
Both our DNS IPs live on the load balance and it does round robin
across all servers.

Next iteration will get rid of IOS SLB in favor of pairs of servers at
different locations anycasting the DNS IPs.

On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 12:33 PM, Tom DeReggi  wrote:
> Not necessarilly.
>
> There are two points for bottle necks.
>
> One is the time it takes to respond to an inquirey from your end user, for
> cached content. That can be related to distance to the end user, processsing
> power/load.
> The second is time to resolve DNS info and populate your cache, when a cache
> hit is not successful by end user. This can be effected by distance to
> authorative cache servers, the size of the cache, the odds of common DNS
> queries by all end users, and and processing load on all servers involved,
> including congestion on remote authorative DNS servers.
>
> The principle behind Internet born public DNS servers is that the chances of
> a cache hit will be higher, because the odds the site has preveiously been
> looked up is higher with more users using it. Gaining a cache hit
> drastically increases performance, beyond that of new lookups or any
> bandwidth latency or transfer rate limits injected in to the equation.  The
> second is simply hassle of managing your own. The third is potential for
> better diversity.  My point here is that managed public sservers can in many
> cases give better performance. More so, if provider optimizes their hardware
> selection/solution, and if servers are hosted nearby such as in same data
> center your transit terminates at.
>
> We host our own servers for one reason, but it is not performance. IF we
> ever have a transit outage or dispute, we do NOT want our end user's DNS
> disrupted. It creates way to many service calls and accelerates the time
> period in which subscribers notice a problem. (For example, Email loosing
> password, after pop server does not resolve)
>
> Its also relevent to point out using a lcoal server for primary and a public
> server for secondary is not always ideal. The reason is that not all
> services query primary DNS1 first.
> Some applications may do a round robin approach, alternating which DNS it
> checks. My point is secondary DNS may not just be relevent for
> diversity/redundancy.
>
> Tom DeReggi
> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Travis Johnson" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 12:57 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fast DNS cache
>
>
>> Not faster than having your own servers on your own network... ;)
>>
>> Travis
>> Microserv
>>
>>
>> Jerry Richardson wrote:
>>> I can't believe how fast the google servers are.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>>> Behalf Of David E. Smith
>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:48 AM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fast DNS cache
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 11:40, Mike Hammett 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I am setting up some new DNS servers and I'd like to figure out what the
 quickest caching DNS server is.  Google keeps telling me to go to Open
 DNS.  I'm not opposed to them and may use them as either primary or
 secondary, but I want at least one server within my own network.

>>>
>>> If you're looking for off-site service, I'm surprised Google isn't
>>> plugging their own public caching-only DNS servers (8.8.8.8 and
>>> 8.8.4.4, I think).
>>>
>>> If you want to install your own, just use BIND.
>>>
>>> David Smith
>>> MVN.net
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik routing/queing problem

[Josh Luthman]

Also what firmware (sys routerboar pr)?

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On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 3:15 PM, Greg Ihnen  wrote:

> What version of RouterOS are you running?
>
> Greg
>
> On May 26, 2010, at 12:46 PM, Kevin Sullivan wrote:
>
> > I think I have found a legitimate bug.  I'm running an RB1000 that
> > we put in service about 2 weeks ago (it replaced another RB1000 that was
> > having similar problems).  Here is what is going on:
> >
> > Linux router  "A" <-> [ether1] RB1000 [ether3] <--->
> Linux router "B"
> >
> >
> > The RB1000 above is connected to the two hosts shown.
> > Each link A < > RB1000 < > B has latency ~1ms.  We are not using any
> > Mikrotik wireless.
> >
> > A and B both know that they can reach each other through the RB1000
> (thanks
> > to OSPF).
> >
> > A and B are Linux routers.  When I ping B from A (traffic going through
> the
> > RB1000), I get no response.  When I log into B and tcpdump traffic, I can
> > see icmp echo request packets coming in from A, and echo reply packets
> going
> > out to A.  Fine.  I then log into the RB1000 and packet sniff ether1 and
> > ether3.
> >
> > ether1 packet sniff shows icmp request packets coming in.  ether3 shows
> icmp
> > request packets going out, and icmp reply packets coming in.  However,
> the
> > replies are not going out ether1.
> >
> > BUT after several minutes, A starts seeing replies.
> >
> > 64 bytes from x.x.x.x: icmp_seq=1049 ttl=63 time=671216 ms
> > 64 bytes from x.x.x.x: icmp_seq=1095 ttl=63 time=628217 ms
> > 64 bytes from x.x.x.x: icmp_seq=1142 ttl=63 time=584217 ms
> > 64 bytes from x.x.x.x: icmp_seq=1188 ttl=63 time=541218 ms
> > 64 bytes from x.x.x.x: icmp_seq=1235 ttl=63 time=497234 ms
> >
> > the RB1000 has been queuing my ICMP packets for ~500 seconds!!
> >
> > I STOP pinging from A and packet sniff ether1 on the RB1000 again.  It is
> > STILL sending out queued ICMP replies from A, even though I am
> > not sending requests anymore.
> >
> > Several minutes after I stop pinging from A, the RB1000 stops sending
> > replies on ether1.
> >
> > Clients have been complaining for months about slow speeds passing
> traffic
> > through this router.  I've also noticed high CPU utilization, even when
> > normal CPU hungry tasks were turned off (one mangle rule, no queues, no
> > proxy, no DNS, etc).   During the day, we see 70-80% CPU utilization.
>  The
> > previous router (same config) went to 100% utilization, which is why we
> > replaced it.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Kevin
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik routing/queing problem

[Greg Ihnen]

What version of RouterOS are you running?

Greg

On May 26, 2010, at 12:46 PM, Kevin Sullivan wrote:

> I think I have found a legitimate bug.  I'm running an RB1000 that 
> we put in service about 2 weeks ago (it replaced another RB1000 that was 
> having similar problems).  Here is what is going on:
> 
> Linux router  "A" <-> [ether1] RB1000 [ether3] <---> Linux 
> router "B"
> 
> 
> The RB1000 above is connected to the two hosts shown.   
> Each link A < > RB1000 < > B has latency ~1ms.  We are not using any 
> Mikrotik wireless.
> 
> A and B both know that they can reach each other through the RB1000 (thanks 
> to OSPF).
> 
> A and B are Linux routers.  When I ping B from A (traffic going through the 
> RB1000), I get no response.  When I log into B and tcpdump traffic, I can 
> see icmp echo request packets coming in from A, and echo reply packets going 
> out to A.  Fine.  I then log into the RB1000 and packet sniff ether1 and 
> ether3.
> 
> ether1 packet sniff shows icmp request packets coming in.  ether3 shows icmp 
> request packets going out, and icmp reply packets coming in.  However, the 
> replies are not going out ether1.
> 
> BUT after several minutes, A starts seeing replies.
> 
> 64 bytes from x.x.x.x: icmp_seq=1049 ttl=63 time=671216 ms
> 64 bytes from x.x.x.x: icmp_seq=1095 ttl=63 time=628217 ms
> 64 bytes from x.x.x.x: icmp_seq=1142 ttl=63 time=584217 ms
> 64 bytes from x.x.x.x: icmp_seq=1188 ttl=63 time=541218 ms
> 64 bytes from x.x.x.x: icmp_seq=1235 ttl=63 time=497234 ms
> 
> the RB1000 has been queuing my ICMP packets for ~500 seconds!!
> 
> I STOP pinging from A and packet sniff ether1 on the RB1000 again.  It is 
> STILL sending out queued ICMP replies from A, even though I am 
> not sending requests anymore.
> 
> Several minutes after I stop pinging from A, the RB1000 stops sending 
> replies on ether1.
> 
> Clients have been complaining for months about slow speeds passing traffic 
> through this router.  I've also noticed high CPU utilization, even when 
> normal CPU hungry tasks were turned off (one mangle rule, no queues, no 
> proxy, no DNS, etc).   During the day, we see 70-80% CPU utilization.  The 
> previous router (same config) went to 100% utilization, which is why we 
> replaced it.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Kevin
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [WISPA] Fast DNS cache

[Jon Auer]

Another unbound user! high five!

But... I can beat that :)

Querying Unbound on Solaris 10/Sparc, across cisco sup720 router.
(0.700ms pings to DNS server)
;; Query time: 1 msec
;; SERVER: 209.242.224.245#53(209.242.224.245)
;; WHEN: Wed May 26 13:50:31 2010
;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 95

On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 12:22 PM, Chris Gotstein  wrote:
> I can beat that :)
>
> dig afmug.com
>
> ;; Query time: 3 msec
> ;; SERVER: 66.96.96.10#53(66.96.96.10)
> ;; WHEN: Wed May 26 12:21:22 2010
> ;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 95
>
> That's an unbound server running on FreeBSD.
>
>
>    
> Chris Gotstein, Sr Network Engineer, UP Logon/Computer Connection UP
> http://uplogon.com | +1 906 774 4847 | ch...@uplogon.com
>
> On 5/26/2010 12:17 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote:
>>>From our NOC. First query=309ms. Cached=7ms
>>
>>> dig afmug.com @8.8.8.8
>> ;; Query time: 309 msec
>> ;; SERVER: 8.8.8.8#53(8.8.8.8)
>> ;; WHEN: Wed May 26 10:09:45 2010
>> ;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 43
>>
>>> dig afmug.com @8.8.8.8
>> ;; Query time: 7 msec
>> ;; SERVER: 8.8.8.8#53(8.8.8.8)
>> ;; WHEN: Wed May 26 10:10:06 2010
>> ;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 43
>>
>> Pretty rediculous.
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Greg Ihnen
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 10:07 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fast DNS cache
>>
>> That's ping time not dns resolution time, but I guess it at least says 
>> something about their connection.
>>
>> On May 26, 2010, at 12:35 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote:
>>
>>> That is true. I can live with it though ;-)
>>>
>>> Ping statistics for 8.8.8.8:
>>>    Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
>>> Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
>>>    Minimum = 3ms, Maximum = 4ms, Average = 3ms
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
>>> Behalf Of Travis Johnson
>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:58 AM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fast DNS cache
>>>
>>> Not faster than having your own servers on your own network... ;)
>>>
>>> Travis
>>> Microserv
>>>
>>>
>>> Jerry Richardson wrote:
 I can't believe how fast the google servers are.

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 Behalf Of David E. Smith
 Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:48 AM
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 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fast DNS cache

 On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 11:40, Mike Hammett  
 wrote:

> I am setting up some new DNS servers and I'd like to figure out what the
> quickest caching DNS server is.  Google keeps telling me to go to Open
> DNS.  I'm not opposed to them and may use them as either primary or
> secondary, but I want at least one server within my own network.
>

 If you're looking for off-site service, I'm surprised Google isn't
 plugging their own public caching-only DNS servers (8.8.8.8 and
 8.8.4.4, I think).

 If you want to install your own, just use BIND.

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Re: [WISPA] Fast DNS cache

[Mike Hammett]

http://code.google.com/p/namebench/

http://www.grc.com/dns/benchmark.htm

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Intelligent Computing Solutions
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On 5/26/2010 12:12 PM, Greg Ihnen wrote:
> http://www.codeproject.com/KB/IP/DNSTester.aspx
>
> Greg
>
> On May 26, 2010, at 12:38 PM, Travis Johnson wrote:
>
>
>> So, at 0ms does that mean I'm in the Matrix? :)
>>
>> Ping statistics for 69.20.128.5:
>> Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
>> Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
>> Minimum = 0ms, Maximum = 1ms, Average = 0ms
>>
>> Travis
>> Microserv
>>
>>
>> Jerry Richardson wrote:
>>  
>>> That is true. I can live with it though ;-)
>>>
>>> Ping statistics for 8.8.8.8:
>>> Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
>>> Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
>>> Minimum = 3ms, Maximum = 4ms, Average = 3ms
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
>>> Behalf Of Travis Johnson
>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:58 AM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fast DNS cache
>>>
>>> Not faster than having your own servers on your own network... ;)
>>>
>>> Travis
>>> Microserv
>>>
>>>
>>> Jerry Richardson wrote:
>>>
>>>
 I can't believe how fast the google servers are.

 -Original Message-
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 Behalf Of David E. Smith
 Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:48 AM
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 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fast DNS cache

 On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 11:40, Mike Hammett  
 wrote:


  
> I am setting up some new DNS servers and I'd like to figure out what the
> quickest caching DNS server is.  Google keeps telling me to go to Open
> DNS.  I'm not opposed to them and may use them as either primary or
> secondary, but I want at least one server within my own network.
>
>
>
 If you're looking for off-site service, I'm surprised Google isn't
 plugging their own public caching-only DNS servers (8.8.8.8 and
 8.8.4.4, I think).

 If you want to install your own, just use BIND.

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Re: [WISPA] Free Public WiFi

[Randy Cosby]

Someone needs to build that into the Mikrotik.

On 5/26/2010 11:53 AM, Robert West wrote:
> The genius of that is indescribable.
>
> It's one thing to fight them off but to simply allow them access then to
> mess with them.  Priceless.
>
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> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Rubens Kuhl
> Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 1:43 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Free Public WiFi
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> Making images appear upside-down is more fun:
> http://www.ex-parrot.com/pete/upside-down-ternet.html
>
> Rubens
>
>
> On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 2:10 PM, Robert West
> wrote:
>
>> For fun I name all the private wifi routers to an SSID of "Virus".  The
>> attempts to connect have dropped considerably.
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Patrick Leary
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 12:24 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Free Public WiFi
>>
>> ...a little OT, but, after being party to all the "free" craziness of
>> Earthlink, etc. just the title "Free Public Wi-Fi" makes me break out in
>> hives...
>>
>>
>> Patrick Leary
>> Aperto Networks
>> 813.426.4230 mobile
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Steve Barnes
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:06 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: [WISPA] Free Public WiFi
>>
>> I am embarrassed to ask here but I am going to anyway.
>>
>> I have some customers laptops that have been here lately with the "Free
>> Public WiFi" ssid on them.  I know that this is a Microsoft screw up on
>> the Zero Wireless Connections.  I have made the stations so that they
>> can only connect to a AP in the future.  But the "Free Public WiFi" SSID
>> still shows up on the systems even when the Wireless card is turned off.
>> I have removed all preferred SSIDs and still nothing.  Any one know how
>> to kill this out of a Win XP system. (without going to Linux)
>>
>> Steve Barnes
>> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
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Re: [WISPA] Free Public WiFi

[Robert West]

The genius of that is indescribable.  

It's one thing to fight them off but to simply allow them access then to
mess with them.  Priceless.



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Rubens Kuhl
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 1:43 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Free Public WiFi

Making images appear upside-down is more fun:
http://www.ex-parrot.com/pete/upside-down-ternet.html

Rubens


On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 2:10 PM, Robert West 
wrote:
> For fun I name all the private wifi routers to an SSID of "Virus".  The
> attempts to connect have dropped considerably.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Patrick Leary
> Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 12:24 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Free Public WiFi
>
> ...a little OT, but, after being party to all the "free" craziness of
> Earthlink, etc. just the title "Free Public Wi-Fi" makes me break out in
> hives...
>
>
> Patrick Leary
> Aperto Networks
> 813.426.4230 mobile
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Steve Barnes
> Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:06 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] Free Public WiFi
>
> I am embarrassed to ask here but I am going to anyway.
>
> I have some customers laptops that have been here lately with the "Free
> Public WiFi" ssid on them.  I know that this is a Microsoft screw up on
> the Zero Wireless Connections.  I have made the stations so that they
> can only connect to a AP in the future.  But the "Free Public WiFi" SSID
> still shows up on the systems even when the Wireless card is turned off.
> I have removed all preferred SSIDs and still nothing.  Any one know how
> to kill this out of a Win XP system. (without going to Linux)
>
> Steve Barnes
> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
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Re: [WISPA] Free Public WiFi

[Rubens Kuhl]

Making images appear upside-down is more fun:
http://www.ex-parrot.com/pete/upside-down-ternet.html

Rubens


On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 2:10 PM, Robert West  wrote:
> For fun I name all the private wifi routers to an SSID of "Virus".  The
> attempts to connect have dropped considerably.
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Patrick Leary
> Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 12:24 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Free Public WiFi
>
> ...a little OT, but, after being party to all the "free" craziness of
> Earthlink, etc. just the title "Free Public Wi-Fi" makes me break out in
> hives...
>
>
> Patrick Leary
> Aperto Networks
> 813.426.4230 mobile
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Steve Barnes
> Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:06 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] Free Public WiFi
>
> I am embarrassed to ask here but I am going to anyway.
>
> I have some customers laptops that have been here lately with the "Free
> Public WiFi" ssid on them.  I know that this is a Microsoft screw up on
> the Zero Wireless Connections.  I have made the stations so that they
> can only connect to a AP in the future.  But the "Free Public WiFi" SSID
> still shows up on the systems even when the Wireless card is turned off.
> I have removed all preferred SSIDs and still nothing.  Any one know how
> to kill this out of a Win XP system. (without going to Linux)
>
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> RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service
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Re: [WISPA] Fast DNS cache

[Tom DeReggi]

Not necessarilly.

There are two points for bottle necks.

One is the time it takes to respond to an inquirey from your end user, for 
cached content. That can be related to distance to the end user, processsing 
power/load.
The second is time to resolve DNS info and populate your cache, when a cache 
hit is not successful by end user. This can be effected by distance to 
authorative cache servers, the size of the cache, the odds of common DNS 
queries by all end users, and and processing load on all servers involved, 
including congestion on remote authorative DNS servers.

The principle behind Internet born public DNS servers is that the chances of 
a cache hit will be higher, because the odds the site has preveiously been 
looked up is higher with more users using it. Gaining a cache hit 
drastically increases performance, beyond that of new lookups or any 
bandwidth latency or transfer rate limits injected in to the equation.  The 
second is simply hassle of managing your own. The third is potential for 
better diversity.  My point here is that managed public sservers can in many 
cases give better performance. More so, if provider optimizes their hardware 
selection/solution, and if servers are hosted nearby such as in same data 
center your transit terminates at.

We host our own servers for one reason, but it is not performance. IF we 
ever have a transit outage or dispute, we do NOT want our end user's DNS 
disrupted. It creates way to many service calls and accelerates the time 
period in which subscribers notice a problem. (For example, Email loosing 
password, after pop server does not resolve)

Its also relevent to point out using a lcoal server for primary and a public 
server for secondary is not always ideal. The reason is that not all 
services query primary DNS1 first.
Some applications may do a round robin approach, alternating which DNS it 
checks. My point is secondary DNS may not just be relevent for 
diversity/redundancy.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


- Original Message - 
From: "Travis Johnson" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 12:57 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fast DNS cache


> Not faster than having your own servers on your own network... ;)
>
> Travis
> Microserv
>
>
> Jerry Richardson wrote:
>> I can't believe how fast the google servers are.
>>
>> -Original Message-
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>> Behalf Of David E. Smith
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:48 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fast DNS cache
>>
>> On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 11:40, Mike Hammett  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I am setting up some new DNS servers and I'd like to figure out what the
>>> quickest caching DNS server is.  Google keeps telling me to go to Open
>>> DNS.  I'm not opposed to them and may use them as either primary or
>>> secondary, but I want at least one server within my own network.
>>>
>>
>> If you're looking for off-site service, I'm surprised Google isn't
>> plugging their own public caching-only DNS servers (8.8.8.8 and
>> 8.8.4.4, I think).
>>
>> If you want to install your own, just use BIND.
>>
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>> MVN.net
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Re: [WISPA] Urgently need 2 Zx SFP's

[Clint Ricker]

Some switches don't work well with copper SFPs because they draw more power.

On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 4:13 PM, Brad Belton  wrote:
> To be a bit more specific, we haven't had any issues with our generic fiber
> SX, LX and ZX SFPs, but the copper GigE SFPs do not seem to work.  It's rare
> we use a copper SFP, but thought I'd clarify further.
>
> Best,
>
>
> Brad
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 3:09 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Urgently need 2 Zx SFP's
>
>
> Brad:
> That is interesting... you should mention Dell 6248's... these are the
> exact units that I am not having luck with the generic SFP's...
>
> Gino:  Not to step on WISPA Vendor Member's toes.. but these folks may
> be able to ship ...
> http://www.fo4all.com/index.html
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> On 5/25/2010 3:53 PM, Brad Belton wrote:
>> Our Dell 6248s seem to be ok with "generic" SFPs.  I guess YMMV and
> exactly
>> what "generic" SFP you source.
>>
>> BTW Gino, I checked our source and he's out of ZX right now.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>>
>> Brad
>>
>>
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>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>> Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 2:48 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Urgently need 2 Zx SFP's
>>
>> I guess what Dennis is asking For What Equipment you want these SFP..
>>
>> Even though they are supposed to be a 'Standard'...but they tend not to
>> 'inter-operate'.
>>
>>
>> e.g.  Dell Switches do no like generic SFP's.
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet&   Telecom
>> 7266 SW 48 Street
>> Miami, Fl 33155
>> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
>> Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net
>>
>>
>> On 5/25/2010 3:39 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:
>>
>>> 1000 base ZX, LC connectors
>>>
>>> Note, ZX spec is 70km
>>>
>>> Gino A. Villarini
>>> g...@aeronetpr.com
>>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>>> 787.273.4143
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Dennis Burgess
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 3:36 PM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Urgently need 2 Zx SFP's
>>>
>>> We stock SFPs.  Specifics?
>>>
>>> ---
>>> Dennis Burgess, CCNA, Mikrotik Certified Trainer, MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE,
>>> MTCTCE, MTCUME
>>> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik&   WISP Support Services
>>> Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net
>>> LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of "Learn RouterOS"
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Gino Villarini
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2010 2:28 PM
>>> To: WISPA General List; motor...@afmug.com
>>> Subject: [WISPA] Urgently need 2 Zx SFP's
>>>
>>> Anyone can ship them today?
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>> g...@aeronetpr.com
>>>
>>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
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Re: [WISPA] Free Public WiFi

[Patrick Leary]

That's hilarious. Genius is found in simplicity. 


Patrick Leary
Aperto Networks
813.426.4230 mobile

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Robert West
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 10:10 AM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Free Public WiFi

For fun I name all the private wifi routers to an SSID of "Virus".  The
attempts to connect have dropped considerably.



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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Patrick Leary
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 12:24 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Free Public WiFi

...a little OT, but, after being party to all the "free" craziness of
Earthlink, etc. just the title "Free Public Wi-Fi" makes me break out in
hives...   


Patrick Leary
Aperto Networks
813.426.4230 mobile

-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Steve Barnes
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:06 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Free Public WiFi

I am embarrassed to ask here but I am going to anyway.  

I have some customers laptops that have been here lately with the "Free
Public WiFi" ssid on them.  I know that this is a Microsoft screw up on
the Zero Wireless Connections.  I have made the stations so that they
can only connect to a AP in the future.  But the "Free Public WiFi" SSID
still shows up on the systems even when the Wireless card is turned off.
I have removed all preferred SSIDs and still nothing.  Any one know how
to kill this out of a Win XP system. (without going to Linux)

Steve Barnes
RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service




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Re: [WISPA] Fast DNS cache

[Chris Gotstein]

I can beat that :)

dig afmug.com

;; Query time: 3 msec
;; SERVER: 66.96.96.10#53(66.96.96.10)
;; WHEN: Wed May 26 12:21:22 2010
;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 95

That's an unbound server running on FreeBSD.


   
Chris Gotstein, Sr Network Engineer, UP Logon/Computer Connection UP
http://uplogon.com | +1 906 774 4847 | ch...@uplogon.com

On 5/26/2010 12:17 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote:
>>From our NOC. First query=309ms. Cached=7ms
> 
>> dig afmug.com @8.8.8.8
> ;; Query time: 309 msec
> ;; SERVER: 8.8.8.8#53(8.8.8.8)
> ;; WHEN: Wed May 26 10:09:45 2010
> ;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 43
> 
>> dig afmug.com @8.8.8.8
> ;; Query time: 7 msec
> ;; SERVER: 8.8.8.8#53(8.8.8.8)
> ;; WHEN: Wed May 26 10:10:06 2010
> ;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 43
> 
> Pretty rediculous.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Greg Ihnen
> Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 10:07 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fast DNS cache
> 
> That's ping time not dns resolution time, but I guess it at least says 
> something about their connection.
> 
> On May 26, 2010, at 12:35 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote:
> 
>> That is true. I can live with it though ;-)
>>
>> Ping statistics for 8.8.8.8:
>>Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
>> Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
>>Minimum = 3ms, Maximum = 4ms, Average = 3ms
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Travis Johnson
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:58 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fast DNS cache
>>
>> Not faster than having your own servers on your own network... ;)
>>
>> Travis
>> Microserv
>>
>>
>> Jerry Richardson wrote:
>>> I can't believe how fast the google servers are.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
>>> Behalf Of David E. Smith
>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:48 AM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fast DNS cache
>>>
>>> On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 11:40, Mike Hammett  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I am setting up some new DNS servers and I'd like to figure out what the
 quickest caching DNS server is.  Google keeps telling me to go to Open
 DNS.  I'm not opposed to them and may use them as either primary or
 secondary, but I want at least one server within my own network.

>>>
>>> If you're looking for off-site service, I'm surprised Google isn't
>>> plugging their own public caching-only DNS servers (8.8.8.8 and
>>> 8.8.4.4, I think).
>>>
>>> If you want to install your own, just use BIND.
>>>
>>> David Smith
>>> MVN.net
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Fast DNS cache

[Jerry Richardson]

>From our NOC. First query=309ms. Cached=7ms

> dig afmug.com @8.8.8.8
;; Query time: 309 msec
;; SERVER: 8.8.8.8#53(8.8.8.8)
;; WHEN: Wed May 26 10:09:45 2010
;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 43

> dig afmug.com @8.8.8.8
;; Query time: 7 msec
;; SERVER: 8.8.8.8#53(8.8.8.8)
;; WHEN: Wed May 26 10:10:06 2010
;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 43

Pretty rediculous.


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Greg Ihnen
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 10:07 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fast DNS cache

That's ping time not dns resolution time, but I guess it at least says 
something about their connection.

On May 26, 2010, at 12:35 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote:

> That is true. I can live with it though ;-)
> 
> Ping statistics for 8.8.8.8:
>Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
> Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
>Minimum = 3ms, Maximum = 4ms, Average = 3ms
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Travis Johnson
> Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:58 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fast DNS cache
> 
> Not faster than having your own servers on your own network... ;)
> 
> Travis
> Microserv
> 
> 
> Jerry Richardson wrote:
>> I can't believe how fast the google servers are.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
>> Behalf Of David E. Smith
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:48 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fast DNS cache
>> 
>> On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 11:40, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>> 
>>> I am setting up some new DNS servers and I'd like to figure out what the
>>> quickest caching DNS server is.  Google keeps telling me to go to Open
>>> DNS.  I'm not opposed to them and may use them as either primary or
>>> secondary, but I want at least one server within my own network.
>>> 
>> 
>> If you're looking for off-site service, I'm surprised Google isn't
>> plugging their own public caching-only DNS servers (8.8.8.8 and
>> 8.8.4.4, I think).
>> 
>> If you want to install your own, just use BIND.
>> 
>> David Smith
>> MVN.net
>> 
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[WISPA] Mikrotik routing/queing problem

[Kevin Sullivan]

 I think I have found a legitimate bug.  I'm running an RB1000 that 
we put in service about 2 weeks ago (it replaced another RB1000 that was 
having similar problems).  Here is what is going on:

Linux router  "A" <-> [ether1] RB1000 [ether3] <---> Linux 
router "B"


The RB1000 above is connected to the two hosts shown.   
Each link A < > RB1000 < > B has latency ~1ms.  We are not using any 
Mikrotik wireless.

A and B both know that they can reach each other through the RB1000 (thanks 
to OSPF).

A and B are Linux routers.  When I ping B from A (traffic going through the 
RB1000), I get no response.  When I log into B and tcpdump traffic, I can 
see icmp echo request packets coming in from A, and echo reply packets going 
out to A.  Fine.  I then log into the RB1000 and packet sniff ether1 and 
ether3.

ether1 packet sniff shows icmp request packets coming in.  ether3 shows icmp 
request packets going out, and icmp reply packets coming in.  However, the 
replies are not going out ether1.

BUT after several minutes, A starts seeing replies.

64 bytes from x.x.x.x: icmp_seq=1049 ttl=63 time=671216 ms
64 bytes from x.x.x.x: icmp_seq=1095 ttl=63 time=628217 ms
64 bytes from x.x.x.x: icmp_seq=1142 ttl=63 time=584217 ms
64 bytes from x.x.x.x: icmp_seq=1188 ttl=63 time=541218 ms
64 bytes from x.x.x.x: icmp_seq=1235 ttl=63 time=497234 ms

the RB1000 has been queuing my ICMP packets for ~500 seconds!!

I STOP pinging from A and packet sniff ether1 on the RB1000 again.  It is 
STILL sending out queued ICMP replies from A, even though I am 
not sending requests anymore.

Several minutes after I stop pinging from A, the RB1000 stops sending 
replies on ether1.

Clients have been complaining for months about slow speeds passing traffic 
through this router.  I've also noticed high CPU utilization, even when 
normal CPU hungry tasks were turned off (one mangle rule, no queues, no 
proxy, no DNS, etc).   During the day, we see 70-80% CPU utilization.  The 
previous router (same config) went to 100% utilization, which is why we 
replaced it.

Regards,

Kevin




 



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Re: [WISPA] Fast DNS cache

[Greg Ihnen]

http://www.codeproject.com/KB/IP/DNSTester.aspx

Greg

On May 26, 2010, at 12:38 PM, Travis Johnson wrote:

> So, at 0ms does that mean I'm in the Matrix? :)
> 
> Ping statistics for 69.20.128.5:
>Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
> Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
>Minimum = 0ms, Maximum = 1ms, Average = 0ms
> 
> Travis
> Microserv
> 
> 
> Jerry Richardson wrote:
>> That is true. I can live with it though ;-)
>> 
>> Ping statistics for 8.8.8.8:
>>Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
>> Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
>>Minimum = 3ms, Maximum = 4ms, Average = 3ms
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Travis Johnson
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:58 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fast DNS cache
>> 
>> Not faster than having your own servers on your own network... ;)
>> 
>> Travis
>> Microserv
>> 
>> 
>> Jerry Richardson wrote:
>> 
>>> I can't believe how fast the google servers are.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
>>> Behalf Of David E. Smith
>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:48 AM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fast DNS cache
>>> 
>>> On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 11:40, Mike Hammett  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
 I am setting up some new DNS servers and I'd like to figure out what the
 quickest caching DNS server is.  Google keeps telling me to go to Open
 DNS.  I'm not opposed to them and may use them as either primary or
 secondary, but I want at least one server within my own network.
 
 
>>> If you're looking for off-site service, I'm surprised Google isn't
>>> plugging their own public caching-only DNS servers (8.8.8.8 and
>>> 8.8.4.4, I think).
>>> 
>>> If you want to install your own, just use BIND.
>>> 
>>> David Smith
>>> MVN.net
>>> 
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Re: [WISPA] Fast DNS cache

[Jerry Richardson]

You are THE ONE!


-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 10:09 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fast DNS cache

So, at 0ms does that mean I'm in the Matrix? :)

Ping statistics for 69.20.128.5:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 0ms, Maximum = 1ms, Average = 0ms

Travis
Microserv


Jerry Richardson wrote:
> That is true. I can live with it though ;-)
>
> Ping statistics for 8.8.8.8:
> Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
> Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
> Minimum = 3ms, Maximum = 4ms, Average = 3ms
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Travis Johnson
> Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:58 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fast DNS cache
>
> Not faster than having your own servers on your own network... ;)
>
> Travis
> Microserv
>
>
> Jerry Richardson wrote:
>   
>> I can't believe how fast the google servers are.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
>> Behalf Of David E. Smith
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:48 AM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fast DNS cache
>>
>> On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 11:40, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>>   
>> 
>>> I am setting up some new DNS servers and I'd like to figure out what the
>>> quickest caching DNS server is.  Google keeps telling me to go to Open
>>> DNS.  I'm not opposed to them and may use them as either primary or
>>> secondary, but I want at least one server within my own network.
>>> 
>>>   
>> If you're looking for off-site service, I'm surprised Google isn't
>> plugging their own public caching-only DNS servers (8.8.8.8 and
>> 8.8.4.4, I think).
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Re: [WISPA] Free Public WiFi

[Robert West]

For fun I name all the private wifi routers to an SSID of "Virus".  The
attempts to connect have dropped considerably.



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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Patrick Leary
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 12:24 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Free Public WiFi

...a little OT, but, after being party to all the "free" craziness of
Earthlink, etc. just the title "Free Public Wi-Fi" makes me break out in
hives...   


Patrick Leary
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Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:06 AM
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Subject: [WISPA] Free Public WiFi

I am embarrassed to ask here but I am going to anyway.  

I have some customers laptops that have been here lately with the "Free
Public WiFi" ssid on them.  I know that this is a Microsoft screw up on
the Zero Wireless Connections.  I have made the stations so that they
can only connect to a AP in the future.  But the "Free Public WiFi" SSID
still shows up on the systems even when the Wireless card is turned off.
I have removed all preferred SSIDs and still nothing.  Any one know how
to kill this out of a Win XP system. (without going to Linux)

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Re: [WISPA] Fast DNS cache

[Travis Johnson]

So, at 0ms does that mean I'm in the Matrix? :)

Ping statistics for 69.20.128.5:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 0ms, Maximum = 1ms, Average = 0ms

Travis
Microserv


Jerry Richardson wrote:
> That is true. I can live with it though ;-)
>
> Ping statistics for 8.8.8.8:
> Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
> Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
> Minimum = 3ms, Maximum = 4ms, Average = 3ms
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Travis Johnson
> Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:58 AM
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> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fast DNS cache
>
> Not faster than having your own servers on your own network... ;)
>
> Travis
> Microserv
>
>
> Jerry Richardson wrote:
>   
>> I can't believe how fast the google servers are.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
>> Behalf Of David E. Smith
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:48 AM
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>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fast DNS cache
>>
>> On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 11:40, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>>   
>> 
>>> I am setting up some new DNS servers and I'd like to figure out what the
>>> quickest caching DNS server is.  Google keeps telling me to go to Open
>>> DNS.  I'm not opposed to them and may use them as either primary or
>>> secondary, but I want at least one server within my own network.
>>> 
>>>   
>> If you're looking for off-site service, I'm surprised Google isn't
>> plugging their own public caching-only DNS servers (8.8.8.8 and
>> 8.8.4.4, I think).
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Fast DNS cache

[Greg Ihnen]

That's ping time not dns resolution time, but I guess it at least says 
something about their connection.

On May 26, 2010, at 12:35 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote:

> That is true. I can live with it though ;-)
> 
> Ping statistics for 8.8.8.8:
>Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
> Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
>Minimum = 3ms, Maximum = 4ms, Average = 3ms
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Travis Johnson
> Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:58 AM
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> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fast DNS cache
> 
> Not faster than having your own servers on your own network... ;)
> 
> Travis
> Microserv
> 
> 
> Jerry Richardson wrote:
>> I can't believe how fast the google servers are.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
>> Behalf Of David E. Smith
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:48 AM
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>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fast DNS cache
>> 
>> On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 11:40, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>> 
>>> I am setting up some new DNS servers and I'd like to figure out what the
>>> quickest caching DNS server is.  Google keeps telling me to go to Open
>>> DNS.  I'm not opposed to them and may use them as either primary or
>>> secondary, but I want at least one server within my own network.
>>> 
>> 
>> If you're looking for off-site service, I'm surprised Google isn't
>> plugging their own public caching-only DNS servers (8.8.8.8 and
>> 8.8.4.4, I think).
>> 
>> If you want to install your own, just use BIND.
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>> MVN.net
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Re: [WISPA] Fast DNS cache

[Jerry Richardson]

That is true. I can live with it though ;-)

Ping statistics for 8.8.8.8:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 3ms, Maximum = 4ms, Average = 3ms


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Of Travis Johnson
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:58 AM
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Not faster than having your own servers on your own network... ;)

Travis
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Jerry Richardson wrote:
> I can't believe how fast the google servers are.
>
> -Original Message-
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> Behalf Of David E. Smith
> Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:48 AM
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> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fast DNS cache
>
> On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 11:40, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>   
>> I am setting up some new DNS servers and I'd like to figure out what the
>> quickest caching DNS server is.  Google keeps telling me to go to Open
>> DNS.  I'm not opposed to them and may use them as either primary or
>> secondary, but I want at least one server within my own network.
>> 
>
> If you're looking for off-site service, I'm surprised Google isn't
> plugging their own public caching-only DNS servers (8.8.8.8 and
> 8.8.4.4, I think).
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Re: [WISPA] Fast DNS cache

[Kevin Neal]

Centos + Unbound is what I'm using at one location.

-Kevin

On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 10:57 AM, Travis Johnson  wrote:

> Not faster than having your own servers on your own network... ;)
>
> Travis
> Microserv
>
>
> Jerry Richardson wrote:
> > I can't believe how fast the google servers are.
> >
> > -Original Message-
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> Behalf Of David E. Smith
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:48 AM
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> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fast DNS cache
> >
> > On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 11:40, Mike Hammett 
> wrote:
> >
> >> I am setting up some new DNS servers and I'd like to figure out what the
> >> quickest caching DNS server is.  Google keeps telling me to go to Open
> >> DNS.  I'm not opposed to them and may use them as either primary or
> >> secondary, but I want at least one server within my own network.
> >>
> >
> > If you're looking for off-site service, I'm surprised Google isn't
> > plugging their own public caching-only DNS servers (8.8.8.8 and
> > 8.8.4.4, I think).
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Re: [WISPA] Fast DNS cache

[Travis Johnson]

Not faster than having your own servers on your own network... ;)

Travis
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Jerry Richardson wrote:
> I can't believe how fast the google servers are.
>
> -Original Message-
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> Behalf Of David E. Smith
> Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:48 AM
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> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fast DNS cache
>
> On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 11:40, Mike Hammett  wrote:
>   
>> I am setting up some new DNS servers and I'd like to figure out what the
>> quickest caching DNS server is.  Google keeps telling me to go to Open
>> DNS.  I'm not opposed to them and may use them as either primary or
>> secondary, but I want at least one server within my own network.
>> 
>
> If you're looking for off-site service, I'm surprised Google isn't
> plugging their own public caching-only DNS servers (8.8.8.8 and
> 8.8.4.4, I think).
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> If you want to install your own, just use BIND.
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[WISPA] WISPA Regional Meeting Registration Site

[Rick Harnish]

I have just taken the Registration page live for the WISPA Regional Meeting
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Re: [WISPA] Fast DNS cache

[Jerry Richardson]

I can't believe how fast the google servers are.

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Of David E. Smith
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:48 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fast DNS cache

On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 11:40, Mike Hammett  wrote:
> I am setting up some new DNS servers and I'd like to figure out what the
> quickest caching DNS server is.  Google keeps telling me to go to Open
> DNS.  I'm not opposed to them and may use them as either primary or
> secondary, but I want at least one server within my own network.

If you're looking for off-site service, I'm surprised Google isn't
plugging their own public caching-only DNS servers (8.8.8.8 and
8.8.4.4, I think).

If you want to install your own, just use BIND.

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Re: [WISPA] Fast DNS cache

[David E. Smith]

On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 11:40, Mike Hammett  wrote:
> I am setting up some new DNS servers and I'd like to figure out what the
> quickest caching DNS server is.  Google keeps telling me to go to Open
> DNS.  I'm not opposed to them and may use them as either primary or
> secondary, but I want at least one server within my own network.

If you're looking for off-site service, I'm surprised Google isn't
plugging their own public caching-only DNS servers (8.8.8.8 and
8.8.4.4, I think).

If you want to install your own, just use BIND.

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[WISPA] Fast DNS cache

[Mike Hammett]

I am setting up some new DNS servers and I'd like to figure out what the 
quickest caching DNS server is.  Google keeps telling me to go to Open 
DNS.  I'm not opposed to them and may use them as either primary or 
secondary, but I want at least one server within my own network.

Recommendations?

Separately, I will be setting up a resolving server for my own stuff.

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Re: [WISPA] Free Public WiFi

[Patrick Leary]

...a little OT, but, after being party to all the "free" craziness of
Earthlink, etc. just the title "Free Public Wi-Fi" makes me break out in
hives...   


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Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:06 AM
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Subject: [WISPA] Free Public WiFi

I am embarrassed to ask here but I am going to anyway.  

I have some customers laptops that have been here lately with the "Free
Public WiFi" ssid on them.  I know that this is a Microsoft screw up on
the Zero Wireless Connections.  I have made the stations so that they
can only connect to a AP in the future.  But the "Free Public WiFi" SSID
still shows up on the systems even when the Wireless card is turned off.
I have removed all preferred SSIDs and still nothing.  Any one know how
to kill this out of a Win XP system. (without going to Linux)

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Re: [WISPA] Free Public WiFi

[Justin Wilson]

http://airheads.arubanetworks.com/article/how-wifi-ad-hoc-networks-are-zombi
es-or-free-public-wifi-phenomenon-part-2

To stop WZC from doing this you can either turn it off or set it to only use
APs. To turn it off for once and all do a Start -> Run and type in
"services.msc." Once in the services display, scroll down to Wireless Zero
Configuration and right click on it to edit it. There, you'll want to turn
it off and set it Startup Type from Automatic to either Manual or disabled.

If you want to keep WZC around, you can stop it from using ad hoc networks
-- which isn't a bad idea anyway -- by clicking on the System Tray's
Wireless icon and heading to the Wireless Network Connection window. Once
there, click on "Change advanced settings," and click on the Wireless
Network Tab in the Wireless Network Connection Properties window. From here,
click on the Advanced button and set it so that it will "Access point
(infrastructure) networks only."


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From: Steve Barnes 
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Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 12:05:32 -0400
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Subject: [WISPA] Free Public WiFi

I am embarrassed to ask here but I am going to anyway.

I have some customers laptops that have been here lately with the "Free
Public WiFi" ssid on them.  I know that this is a Microsoft screw up on the
Zero Wireless Connections.  I have made the stations so that they can only
connect to a AP in the future.  But the "Free Public WiFi" SSID still shows
up on the systems even when the Wireless card is turned off.  I have removed
all preferred SSIDs and still nothing.  Any one know how to kill this out of
a Win XP system. (without going to Linux)

Steve Barnes
RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service




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[WISPA] Free Public WiFi

[Steve Barnes]

I am embarrassed to ask here but I am going to anyway.  

I have some customers laptops that have been here lately with the "Free Public 
WiFi" ssid on them.  I know that this is a Microsoft screw up on the Zero 
Wireless Connections.  I have made the stations so that they can only connect 
to a AP in the future.  But the "Free Public WiFi" SSID still shows up on the 
systems even when the Wireless card is turned off.  I have removed all 
preferred SSIDs and still nothing.  Any one know how to kill this out of a Win 
XP system. (without going to Linux)

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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth

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There is no such thing as collisions now on ethernet/fiber as we use switches 
instead of 
hubs. Each link is full duplex and capable of handing 100% capacity.

However if you basing utilization on 5 minute averages like MRTG, keep in mind 
that's a 
5 minute average and you could be going from frequent 100% utilization to 50% 
utilization within that 5 minute interval, so 75% utilization could be 
considered full 
under those circumstances if you want to avoid dropped packets.

On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 11:08:50AM -0400, Scott Reed wrote:
> Old rule of thumb for Ethernet, because it is based on collision 
> detection, is 70-75% is the max you want.  Above this and collisions 
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Re: [WISPA] Nationwide POTs Aggregator

[Jeremie Chism]

I have a good contact there. Hit me offlist and I will send it to you.

Sent from my iPhone

On May 26, 2010, at 9:57 AM, Mike Hammett   
wrote:

> Right.  I'm trying to get their NPA-NXX coverage, but when they told  
> me
> my area, they reported NPA-LATA, which is useless.
>
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> On 5/26/2010 9:21 AM, Jeremie Chism wrote:
>> I can tell you how it works. To make this answer short.the
>> faxxbochs functions like a receiving fax machine. When you send a fax
>> the faxxbochs generates a dial tone, the fax sends the fax to the the
>> faxxbochs. The faxxbochs converts it to a file and sends it to their
>> fax servers on the other end which send your fax to it's final
>> destination by analog lines. Incoming follows the reverse steps. So
>> Internet connection quality or speed has no effect on faxing. I have
>> seen most of the faxes delivered within 30 seconds but that would be
>> determined by how many pages and how much bandwidth you have.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On May 26, 2010, at 8:24 AM, Mike Hammett
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> I've been trying to get information out of FaxBocchs (or however you
>>> spell it) about their coverage, since they pretty much guarantee  
>>> Faxes
>>> will pass over IP.
>>>
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>>> http://www.ics-il.com
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>>>
>>>
>>> On 5/25/2010 7:45 PM, Charles Wu wrote:
>>>
 Does such a thing exist?  Basically need fax lines at remote office
 locations, and would prefer dealing with a single source (perhaps a
 CLEC) rather than multiple companies
 -Charles


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Re: [WISPA] Nationwide POTs Aggregator

[Mike Hammett]

Right.  I'm trying to get their NPA-NXX coverage, but when they told me 
my area, they reported NPA-LATA, which is useless.

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On 5/26/2010 9:21 AM, Jeremie Chism wrote:
> I can tell you how it works. To make this answer short.the
> faxxbochs functions like a receiving fax machine. When you send a fax
> the faxxbochs generates a dial tone, the fax sends the fax to the the
> faxxbochs. The faxxbochs converts it to a file and sends it to their
> fax servers on the other end which send your fax to it's final
> destination by analog lines. Incoming follows the reverse steps. So
> Internet connection quality or speed has no effect on faxing. I have
> seen most of the faxes delivered within 30 seconds but that would be
> determined by how many pages and how much bandwidth you have.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 26, 2010, at 8:24 AM, Mike Hammett
> wrote:
>
>
>> I've been trying to get information out of FaxBocchs (or however you
>> spell it) about their coverage, since they pretty much guarantee Faxes
>> will pass over IP.
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>>
>>
>> On 5/25/2010 7:45 PM, Charles Wu wrote:
>>  
>>> Does such a thing exist?  Basically need fax lines at remote office
>>> locations, and would prefer dealing with a single source (perhaps a
>>> CLEC) rather than multiple companies
>>> -Charles
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Re: [WISPA] Nationwide POTs Aggregator

[Jeremie Chism]

I can tell you how it works. To make this answer short.the  
faxxbochs functions like a receiving fax machine. When you send a fax  
the faxxbochs generates a dial tone, the fax sends the fax to the the  
faxxbochs. The faxxbochs converts it to a file and sends it to their  
fax servers on the other end which send your fax to it's final  
destination by analog lines. Incoming follows the reverse steps. So  
Internet connection quality or speed has no effect on faxing. I have  
seen most of the faxes delivered within 30 seconds but that would be  
determined by how many pages and how much bandwidth you have.

Sent from my iPhone

On May 26, 2010, at 8:24 AM, Mike Hammett   
wrote:

> I've been trying to get information out of FaxBocchs (or however you
> spell it) about their coverage, since they pretty much guarantee Faxes
> will pass over IP.
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>
>
> On 5/25/2010 7:45 PM, Charles Wu wrote:
>> Does such a thing exist?  Basically need fax lines at remote office  
>> locations, and would prefer dealing with a single source (perhaps a  
>> CLEC) rather than multiple companies
>> -Charles
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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth

[Marco Coelho]

Akami requires you to hit 75 Mb/s of their content before they want to
add a server to your noc.

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Re: [WISPA] Nationwide POTs Aggregator

[Mike Hammett]

I've been trying to get information out of FaxBocchs (or however you 
spell it) about their coverage, since they pretty much guarantee Faxes 
will pass over IP.

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Re: [WISPA] Nationwide POTs Aggregator

[Jeremie Chism]

They have a portal you can use to access all incoming and outgoing  
faxes. They are stored there for some period of time (not sure how  
long, I think at least a month). If you try to view the faxes in IE  
you get an error message. They say they are working on it but it has  
been going on for months. It works fine on chrome, firefox, opera. If  
all you want to do is send and receive faxes you don't need the  
portal.  Also they can setup to have your incoming faxes emailed to  
you.  Faxxbochs will work over any Internet connection. If the  
Internet goes down they hold your faxes until it comes back up.

Sent from my iPhone

On May 25, 2010, at 11:34 PM, Josh Luthman  
 wrote:

> It doesn't work with IE or it only works with IE?
>
> On 5/26/10, Jeremie Chism  wrote:
>> The only time it doesn't work is if you don't dial the area code.  
>> They
>> require 10 digit dialing on all faxes. Only one other thing I have
>> seen is if you use the portal to retrieve faxes it doesn't work with
>> IE bust most of my customers don't use the portal.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On May 25, 2010, at 10:53 PM, Josh Luthman
>>  wrote:
>>
>>> Voipsupply.com sells them.  Thanks for the screwy spelling  
>>> correction.
>>>
>>> On 5/25/10, Jeremie Chism  wrote:
 Faxxbochs. It works

 Sent from my iPhone

 On May 25, 2010, at 9:02 PM, Charles Wu  wrote:

> Looking to solve a faxing issue (that's being caused by VoIP) --  
> so
> probably don't want a VoIP solution =)
>
> -Charles
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> On Tue, 2010-05-25 at 19:45 -0500, Charles Wu wrote:
>> Does such a thing exist?
>
> If it doesn't, will we see a new CLEC from CTI?  :-)  Seriously, I
> can't
> imagine that such a thing isn't possible.  I am not certain, but  
> I'd
> imagine that all those DSL aggregators who can resell services  
> over
> copper they don't own could do something like this.
>
> It MAY even be possible to do over a VOiP option, but not sure you
> want
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Re: [WISPA] Newly open source BitTorrent protocol aims to unclog tubes

[Robert West]

I can understand how it would sense network usage on the customer side but
how in the heck is the protocol able to sense what the rest of my network is
doing?  Even with that, I don't see how it will stop sucking capacity when
it is still transferring the same amount of data no matter what time of day
it is.  And good luck having users set download times.  Just because they
can doesn't mean they will.  In my experience, they want that download NOW!
If not they wouldn't be complaining about slow speeds

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Subject: [WISPA] Newly open source BitTorrent protocol aims to unclog tubes

Too late for April Fools!

http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2010/05/bittorrent-open-sources-new-
protocol-implementation.ars

BitTorrent Inc. has opened the source code of a new BitTorrent
protocol that is designed to reduce network congestion. According to
the developers, the uTP protocol will eliminate the need for ISPs to
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Looking for a mikrotik consultant who has worked with Hotspot, User 
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I wish to setup a new hotspot system for my campgrounds.

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