[WISPA] I NEED HELP
This has been a very long day, after a lightning storm we started to have towers randomly drop for 2-10 minutes with no consistency as to where, how how long. The tower that was affected by last nights lightning restarted (locally) so that wasn't it. The outages were so extensive that at one time we had 17 devices down and five minutes later 65 devices down, 10 minutes later 33, so you see where this is coming from. I went to the head end and rebooted everything from the core router on out., changed passwords on the core in case it had been compromised but show run didn't reveal anything. Oh the other thing, every computer we have started to say IP address is in use on the network, no matter what we changed it to, even a subnet we don't yet use it said it was in use. I had to repair my connection often just to do work on the network and it would work for a while then again say duplicate IP. That's why I'm convinced it's traffic. I started turning Towers back on one at a time and for about 6 towers there were no drops, I drove to the next junction site to turn more on but by then the original 6 were dropping, I turned the rest of them on but by now it's 11PM so traffic was probably lower as it's Sat. Night. Honestly I don't know what to do, Our Backhauls are all Mikrotik to our 12 towers, WireShark isn't seeing anything unusual, I have icmp packet drop in the filters. My weekend is basically ruined, what's new in this business, but if anyone has ideas I've talked to two networking gurus in town and they both said geez I don't know you wireless guys have way bigger networks than we do. sigh. Thanks, Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP
Forbes, Can you give me a little more info on the setup of your network? Are you layer 2 throughout your backhauls and tower sites? I have seen OSPF flapping causing some weird issues on layer 3 networks. If you look at the routers in the tower site, do you see anything in the log as to what is going on? Experience says it is the first site that is having issues that is causing issues behind it. Eric Rogers Precision Data Solutions, LLC (317) 831-3000 x200 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Forbes Mercy Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2010 2:45 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] I NEED HELP This has been a very long day, after a lightning storm we started to have towers randomly drop for 2-10 minutes with no consistency as to where, how how long. The tower that was affected by last nights lightning restarted (locally) so that wasn't it. The outages were so extensive that at one time we had 17 devices down and five minutes later 65 devices down, 10 minutes later 33, so you see where this is coming from. I went to the head end and rebooted everything from the core router on out., changed passwords on the core in case it had been compromised but show run didn't reveal anything. Oh the other thing, every computer we have started to say IP address is in use on the network, no matter what we changed it to, even a subnet we don't yet use it said it was in use. I had to repair my connection often just to do work on the network and it would work for a while then again say duplicate IP. That's why I'm convinced it's traffic. I started turning Towers back on one at a time and for about 6 towers there were no drops, I drove to the next junction site to turn more on but by then the original 6 were dropping, I turned the rest of them on but by now it's 11PM so traffic was probably lower as it's Sat. Night. Honestly I don't know what to do, Our Backhauls are all Mikrotik to our 12 towers, WireShark isn't seeing anything unusual, I have icmp packet drop in the filters. My weekend is basically ruined, what's new in this business, but if anyone has ideas I've talked to two networking gurus in town and they both said geez I don't know you wireless guys have way bigger networks than we do. sigh. Thanks, Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP
If it's all layer 2 bridge,maybe a second dhcp server running? Are you running dhcp? --- On Sun, 8/1/10, Eric Rogers ecrog...@precisionds.com wrote: From: Eric Rogers ecrog...@precisionds.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Sunday, August 1, 2010, 9:16 AM Forbes, Can you give me a little more info on the setup of your network? Are you layer 2 throughout your backhauls and tower sites? I have seen OSPF flapping causing some weird issues on layer 3 networks. If you look at the routers in the tower site, do you see anything in the log as to what is going on? Experience says it is the first site that is having issues that is causing issues behind it. Eric Rogers Precision Data Solutions, LLC (317) 831-3000 x200 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Forbes Mercy Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2010 2:45 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] I NEED HELP This has been a very long day, after a lightning storm we started to have towers randomly drop for 2-10 minutes with no consistency as to where, how how long. The tower that was affected by last nights lightning restarted (locally) so that wasn't it. The outages were so extensive that at one time we had 17 devices down and five minutes later 65 devices down, 10 minutes later 33, so you see where this is coming from. I went to the head end and rebooted everything from the core router on out., changed passwords on the core in case it had been compromised but show run didn't reveal anything. Oh the other thing, every computer we have started to say IP address is in use on the network, no matter what we changed it to, even a subnet we don't yet use it said it was in use. I had to repair my connection often just to do work on the network and it would work for a while then again say duplicate IP. That's why I'm convinced it's traffic. I started turning Towers back on one at a time and for about 6 towers there were no drops, I drove to the next junction site to turn more on but by then the original 6 were dropping, I turned the rest of them on but by now it's 11PM so traffic was probably lower as it's Sat. Night. Honestly I don't know what to do, Our Backhauls are all Mikrotik to our 12 towers, WireShark isn't seeing anything unusual, I have icmp packet drop in the filters. My weekend is basically ruined, what's new in this business, but if anyone has ideas I've talked to two networking gurus in town and they both said geez I don't know you wireless guys have way bigger networks than we do. sigh. Thanks, Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP
Or did a customer plug their CPE in to the wrong side of a home router which is now giving out DHCP addresses? Brian From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jason Bailey Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2010 10:27 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP If it's all layer 2 bridge,maybe a second dhcp server running? Are you running dhcp? --- On Sun, 8/1/10, Eric Rogers ecrog...@precisionds.com wrote: From: Eric Rogers ecrog...@precisionds.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Sunday, August 1, 2010, 9:16 AM Forbes, Can you give me a little more info on the setup of your network? Are you layer 2 throughout your backhauls and tower sites? I have seen OSPF flapping causing some weird issues on layer 3 networks. If you look at the routers in the tower site, do you see anything in the log as to what is going on? Experience says it is the first site that is having issues that is causing issues behind it. Eric Rogers Precision Data Solutions, LLC (317) 831-3000 x200 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org http://us.mc525.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org http://us.mc525.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Forbes Mercy Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2010 2:45 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] I NEED HELP This has been a very long day, after a lightning storm we started to have towers randomly drop for 2-10 minutes with no consistency as to where, how how long. The tower that was affected by last nights lightning restarted (locally) so that wasn't it. The outages were so extensive that at one time we had 17 devices down and five minutes later 65 devices down, 10 minutes later 33, so you see where this is coming from. I went to the head end and rebooted everything from the core router on out., changed passwords on the core in case it had been compromised but show run didn't reveal anything. Oh the other thing, every computer we have started to say IP address is in use on the network, no matter what we changed it to, even a subnet we don't yet use it said it was in use. I had to repair my connection often just to do work on the network and it would work for a while then again say duplicate IP. That's why I'm convinced it's traffic. I started turning Towers back on one at a time and for about 6 towers there were no drops, I drove to the next junction site to turn more on but by then the original 6 were dropping, I turned the rest of them on but by now it's 11PM so traffic was probably lower as it's Sat. Night. Honestly I don't know what to do, Our Backhauls are all Mikrotik to our 12 towers, WireShark isn't seeing anything unusual, I have icmp packet drop in the filters. My weekend is basically ruined, what's new in this business, but if anyone has ideas I've talked to two networking gurus in town and they both said geez I don't know you wireless guys have way bigger networks than we do. sigh. Thanks, Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org http://us.mc525.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=wirel...@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org http://us.mc525.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=wirel...@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Ratio to Customers
We did a similar survey and found Travis was the biggest bandwidth nazi. I was in the worst third :( On Jul 31, 2010 10:48 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Ya, thats about right. At 300 subs, I'm seeing occasional burst of 20Mbps. On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 11:10 AM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Well we do 2x... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Exalt ExploreAIR
I got a nice little email from Exalt about their new product, without actually saying anything about it. Any specification sheets out there? Top speed in different bands? Price ranges? -- - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP
That's my suspicion how do you block that?! On 8/1/2010 8:26 AM, Brian Webster wrote: Or did a customer plug their CPE in to the wrong side of a home router which is now giving out DHCP addresses? Brian *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Jason Bailey *Sent:* Sunday, August 01, 2010 10:27 AM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP If it's all layer 2 bridge,maybe a second dhcp server running? Are you running dhcp? --- On *Sun, 8/1/10, Eric Rogers /ecrog...@precisionds.com/* wrote: From: Eric Rogers ecrog...@precisionds.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Sunday, August 1, 2010, 9:16 AM Forbes, Can you give me a little more info on the setup of your network? Are you layer 2 throughout your backhauls and tower sites? I have seen OSPF flapping causing some weird issues on layer 3 networks. If you look at the routers in the tower site, do you see anything in the log as to what is going on? Experience says it is the first site that is having issues that is causing issues behind it. Eric Rogers Precision Data Solutions, LLC (317) 831-3000 x200 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org http://us.mc525.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org http://us.mc525.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Forbes Mercy Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2010 2:45 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] I NEED HELP This has been a very long day, after a lightning storm we started to have towers randomly drop for 2-10 minutes with no consistency as to where, how how long. The tower that was affected by last nights lightning restarted (locally) so that wasn't it. The outages were so extensive that at one time we had 17 devices down and five minutes later 65 devices down, 10 minutes later 33, so you see where this is coming from. I went to the head end and rebooted everything from the core router on out., changed passwords on the core in case it had been compromised but show run didn't reveal anything. Oh the other thing, every computer we have started to say IP address is in use on the network, no matter what we changed it to, even a subnet we don't yet use it said it was in use. I had to repair my connection often just to do work on the network and it would work for a while then again say duplicate IP. That's why I'm convinced it's traffic. I started turning Towers back on one at a time and for about 6 towers there were no drops, I drove to the next junction site to turn more on but by then the original 6 were dropping, I turned the rest of them on but by now it's 11PM so traffic was probably lower as it's Sat. Night. Honestly I don't know what to do, Our Backhauls are all Mikrotik to our 12 towers, WireShark isn't seeing anything unusual, I have icmp packet drop in the filters. My weekend is basically ruined, what's new in this business, but if anyone has ideas I've talked to two networking gurus in town and they both said geez I don't know you wireless guys have way bigger networks than we do. sigh. Thanks, Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org http://us.mc525.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=wirel...@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org http://us.mc525.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=wirel...@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP
Nope we static (private IP) nearly the entire network, one static for their radio and one static for them to put in their router for us to see that they can surf. On 8/1/2010 7:26 AM, Jason Bailey wrote: If it's all layer 2 bridge,maybe a second dhcp server running? Are you running dhcp? --- On *Sun, 8/1/10, Eric Rogers /ecrog...@precisionds.com/* wrote: From: Eric Rogers ecrog...@precisionds.com Subject: Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Sunday, August 1, 2010, 9:16 AM Forbes, Can you give me a little more info on the setup of your network? Are you layer 2 throughout your backhauls and tower sites? I have seen OSPF flapping causing some weird issues on layer 3 networks. If you look at the routers in the tower site, do you see anything in the log as to what is going on? Experience says it is the first site that is having issues that is causing issues behind it. Eric Rogers Precision Data Solutions, LLC (317) 831-3000 x200 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org http://us.mc525.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org http://us.mc525.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Forbes Mercy Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2010 2:45 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] I NEED HELP This has been a very long day, after a lightning storm we started to have towers randomly drop for 2-10 minutes with no consistency as to where, how how long. The tower that was affected by last nights lightning restarted (locally) so that wasn't it. The outages were so extensive that at one time we had 17 devices down and five minutes later 65 devices down, 10 minutes later 33, so you see where this is coming from. I went to the head end and rebooted everything from the core router on out., changed passwords on the core in case it had been compromised but show run didn't reveal anything. Oh the other thing, every computer we have started to say IP address is in use on the network, no matter what we changed it to, even a subnet we don't yet use it said it was in use. I had to repair my connection often just to do work on the network and it would work for a while then again say duplicate IP. That's why I'm convinced it's traffic. I started turning Towers back on one at a time and for about 6 towers there were no drops, I drove to the next junction site to turn more on but by then the original 6 were dropping, I turned the rest of them on but by now it's 11PM so traffic was probably lower as it's Sat. Night. Honestly I don't know what to do, Our Backhauls are all Mikrotik to our 12 towers, WireShark isn't seeing anything unusual, I have icmp packet drop in the filters. My weekend is basically ruined, what's new in this business, but if anyone has ideas I've talked to two networking gurus in town and they both said geez I don't know you wireless guys have way bigger networks than we do. sigh. Thanks, Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org http://us.mc525.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=wirel...@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org http://us.mc525.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=wirel...@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP
Thanks Eric, We run a 2811 Cisco core router that feeds a Vyatta server for handing out private static and public addresses which runs into a Mikrotik bandwidth unit then over six backhauls to various towers from our head end. Six towers relay to the next tower down. We have about 70 Public IP addresses that go to various locations but a majority are in the 10.80 type of addressing. Does anyone know when you put the filter for icmp in a Mikrotik router Firewall under action do you accept or drop under action and then forward under the chain? Thanks for your help its day 2 and I have 35 devices down, wait now it's 19, wait now it's 44, I hate this! Forbes On 8/1/2010 6:16 AM, Eric Rogers wrote: Forbes, Can you give me a little more info on the setup of your network? Are you layer 2 throughout your backhauls and tower sites? I have seen OSPF flapping causing some weird issues on layer 3 networks. If you look at the routers in the tower site, do you see anything in the log as to what is going on? Experience says it is the first site that is having issues that is causing issues behind it. Eric Rogers Precision Data Solutions, LLC (317) 831-3000 x200 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Forbes Mercy Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2010 2:45 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] I NEED HELP This has been a very long day, after a lightning storm we started to have towers randomly drop for 2-10 minutes with no consistency as to where, how how long. The tower that was affected by last nights lightning restarted (locally) so that wasn't it. The outages were so extensive that at one time we had 17 devices down and five minutes later 65 devices down, 10 minutes later 33, so you see where this is coming from. I went to the head end and rebooted everything from the core router on out., changed passwords on the core in case it had been compromised but show run didn't reveal anything. Oh the other thing, every computer we have started to say IP address is in use on the network, no matter what we changed it to, even a subnet we don't yet use it said it was in use. I had to repair my connection often just to do work on the network and it would work for a while then again say duplicate IP. That's why I'm convinced it's traffic. I started turning Towers back on one at a time and for about 6 towers there were no drops, I drove to the next junction site to turn more on but by then the original 6 were dropping, I turned the rest of them on but by now it's 11PM so traffic was probably lower as it's Sat. Night. Honestly I don't know what to do, Our Backhauls are all Mikrotik to our 12 towers, WireShark isn't seeing anything unusual, I have icmp packet drop in the filters. My weekend is basically ruined, what's new in this business, but if anyone has ideas I've talked to two networking gurus in town and they both said geez I don't know you wireless guys have way bigger networks than we do. sigh. Thanks, Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP
Are they really down, or can you just not get to them? That is, are the customers calling that they are down? Do you use dynamic routing such as RIP or OSPF? If so, I would suspect something is making them drop and reestablish routes. Accept and drop do what they say for traffic destined for the router so you want them on the Input chain to protect the router they are on. The forward chain impacts only traffic the router sends on to somewhere else. Forbes Mercy wrote: Thanks Eric, We run a 2811 Cisco core router that feeds a Vyatta server for handing out private static and public addresses which runs into a Mikrotik bandwidth unit then over six backhauls to various towers from our head end. Six towers relay to the next tower down. We have about 70 Public IP addresses that go to various locations but a majority are in the 10.80 type of addressing. Does anyone know when you put the filter for icmp in a Mikrotik router Firewall under action do you accept or drop under action and then forward under the chain? Thanks for your help its day 2 and I have 35 devices down, wait now it's 19, wait now it's 44, I hate this! Forbes On 8/1/2010 6:16 AM, Eric Rogers wrote: Forbes, Can you give me a little more info on the setup of your network? Are you layer 2 throughout your backhauls and tower sites? I have seen OSPF flapping causing some weird issues on layer 3 networks. If you look at the routers in the tower site, do you see anything in the log as to what is going on? Experience says it is the first site that is having issues that is causing issues behind it. Eric Rogers Precision Data Solutions, LLC (317) 831-3000 x200 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Forbes Mercy Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2010 2:45 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] I NEED HELP This has been a very long day, after a lightning storm we started to have towers randomly drop for 2-10 minutes with no consistency as to where, how how long. The tower that was affected by last nights lightning restarted (locally) so that wasn't it. The outages were so extensive that at one time we had 17 devices down and five minutes later 65 devices down, 10 minutes later 33, so you see where this is coming from. I went to the head end and rebooted everything from the core router on out., changed passwords on the core in case it had been compromised but show run didn't reveal anything. Oh the other thing, every computer we have started to say IP address is in use on the network, no matter what we changed it to, even a subnet we don't yet use it said it was in use. I had to repair my connection often just to do work on the network and it would work for a while then again say duplicate IP. That's why I'm convinced it's traffic. I started turning Towers back on one at a time and for about 6 towers there were no drops, I drove to the next junction site to turn more on but by then the original 6 were dropping, I turned the rest of them on but by now it's 11PM so traffic was probably lower as it's Sat. Night. Honestly I don't know what to do, Our Backhauls are all Mikrotik to our 12 towers, WireShark isn't seeing anything unusual, I have icmp packet drop in the filters. My weekend is basically ruined, what's new in this business, but if anyone has ideas I've talked to two networking gurus in town and they both said geez I don't know you wireless guys have way bigger networks than we do. sigh. Thanks, Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x2241 1-260-827-2241 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP
Forbes, I remember seeing something similar to this on the list a few months back. Turned out he guy was running a bridged network and water got into the Ethernet connector on a Bullet and was causing Layer2 broadcast storms on the network. Very similar results to what you are reporting. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Forbes Mercy Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2010 2:45 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] I NEED HELP This has been a very long day, after a lightning storm we started to have towers randomly drop for 2-10 minutes with no consistency as to where, how how long. The tower that was affected by last nights lightning restarted (locally) so that wasn't it. The outages were so extensive that at one time we had 17 devices down and five minutes later 65 devices down, 10 minutes later 33, so you see where this is coming from. I went to the head end and rebooted everything from the core router on out., changed passwords on the core in case it had been compromised but show run didn't reveal anything. Oh the other thing, every computer we have started to say IP address is in use on the network, no matter what we changed it to, even a subnet we don't yet use it said it was in use. I had to repair my connection often just to do work on the network and it would work for a while then again say duplicate IP. That's why I'm convinced it's traffic. I started turning Towers back on one at a time and for about 6 towers there were no drops, I drove to the next junction site to turn more on but by then the original 6 were dropping, I turned the rest of them on but by now it's 11PM so traffic was probably lower as it's Sat. Night. Honestly I don't know what to do, Our Backhauls are all Mikrotik to our 12 towers, WireShark isn't seeing anything unusual, I have icmp packet drop in the filters. My weekend is basically ruined, what's new in this business, but if anyone has ideas I've talked to two networking gurus in town and they both said geez I don't know you wireless guys have way bigger networks than we do. sigh. Thanks, Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP
If it is bridged a single router plugged in backwords can bring down the whole network. Some 750¹s would be a good fix.When I had HighGain Aps as bridges we would run into this problem as well. I never figured it out because we eventually went to MT aps. -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog Wisp Consulting Tower Climbing Network Support From: Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 14:09:29 -0400 To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP Forbes, I remember seeing something similar to this on the list a few months back. Turned out he guy was running a bridged network and water got into the Ethernet connector on a Bullet and was causing Layer2 broadcast storms on the network. Very similar results to what you are reporting. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Forbes Mercy Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2010 2:45 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] I NEED HELP This has been a very long day, after a lightning storm we started to have towers randomly drop for 2-10 minutes with no consistency as to where, how how long. The tower that was affected by last nights lightning restarted (locally) so that wasn't it. The outages were so extensive that at one time we had 17 devices down and five minutes later 65 devices down, 10 minutes later 33, so you see where this is coming from. I went to the head end and rebooted everything from the core router on out., changed passwords on the core in case it had been compromised but show run didn't reveal anything. Oh the other thing, every computer we have started to say IP address is in use on the network, no matter what we changed it to, even a subnet we don't yet use it said it was in use. I had to repair my connection often just to do work on the network and it would work for a while then again say duplicate IP. That's why I'm convinced it's traffic. I started turning Towers back on one at a time and for about 6 towers there were no drops, I drove to the next junction site to turn more on but by then the original 6 were dropping, I turned the rest of them on but by now it's 11PM so traffic was probably lower as it's Sat. Night. Honestly I don't know what to do, Our Backhauls are all Mikrotik to our 12 towers, WireShark isn't seeing anything unusual, I have icmp packet drop in the filters. My weekend is basically ruined, what's new in this business, but if anyone has ideas I've talked to two networking gurus in town and they both said geez I don't know you wireless guys have way bigger networks than we do. sigh. Thanks, Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP
Sounds a lot like a proxy arp issue where a device is trying to answer for all the other devices and clearly on a big network that is not going to work well. On 08/01/2010 02:20 PM, Justin Wilson wrote: If it is bridged a single router plugged in backwords can bring down the whole network. Some 750's would be a good fix.When I had HighGain Aps as bridges we would run into this problem as well. I never figured it out because we eventually went to MT aps. -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog Wisp Consulting -- Tower Climbing -- Network Support *From: *Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com *Reply-To: *WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Date: *Sun, 1 Aug 2010 14:09:29 -0400 *To: *'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP Forbes, I remember seeing something similar to this on the list a few months back. Turned out he guy was running a bridged network and water got into the Ethernet connector on a Bullet and was causing Layer2 broadcast storms on the network. Very similar results to what you are reporting. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Forbes Mercy Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2010 2:45 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] I NEED HELP This has been a very long day, after a lightning storm we started to have towers randomly drop for 2-10 minutes with no consistency as to where, how how long. The tower that was affected by last nights lightning restarted (locally) so that wasn't it. The outages were so extensive that at one time we had 17 devices down and five minutes later 65 devices down, 10 minutes later 33, so you see where this is coming from. I went to the head end and rebooted everything from the core router on out., changed passwords on the core in case it had been compromised but show run didn't reveal anything. Oh the other thing, every computer we have started to say IP address is in use on the network, no matter what we changed it to, even a subnet we don't yet use it said it was in use. I had to repair my connection often just to do work on the network and it would work for a while then again say duplicate IP. That's why I'm convinced it's traffic. I started turning Towers back on one at a time and for about 6 towers there were no drops, I drove to the next junction site to turn more on but by then the original 6 were dropping, I turned the rest of them on but by now it's 11PM so traffic was probably lower as it's Sat. Night. Honestly I don't know what to do, Our Backhauls are all Mikrotik to our 12 towers, WireShark isn't seeing anything unusual, I have icmp packet drop in the filters. My weekend is basically ruined, what's new in this business, but if anyone has ideas I've talked to two networking gurus in town and they both said geez I don't know you wireless guys have way bigger networks than we do. sigh. Thanks, Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP
Wow very interesting hypothesis since it happened right after a lightning storm with heavy rain. Trouble is I shut off all six backhauls and started turning them on one by one until I had a IP conflict warning then turned that one off, the IP conflict happened again, yes I did arp -d to clear the bouncing out of it but then it happened on a different tower, I just can't seem to find it and yes we're way too large to be bridged, that was our summer project to become routed but that doesn't help today. It's a great idea but I have 54 AP's so I don't know where to start. Forbes On 8/1/2010 11:09 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: Forbes, I remember seeing something similar to this on the list a few months back. Turned out he guy was running a bridged network and water got into the Ethernet connector on a Bullet and was causing Layer2 broadcast storms on the network. Very similar results to what you are reporting. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Forbes Mercy Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2010 2:45 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] I NEED HELP This has been a very long day, after a lightning storm we started to have towers randomly drop for 2-10 minutes with no consistency as to where, how how long. The tower that was affected by last nights lightning restarted (locally) so that wasn't it. The outages were so extensive that at one time we had 17 devices down and five minutes later 65 devices down, 10 minutes later 33, so you see where this is coming from. I went to the head end and rebooted everything from the core router on out., changed passwords on the core in case it had been compromised but show run didn't reveal anything. Oh the other thing, every computer we have started to say IP address is in use on the network, no matter what we changed it to, even a subnet we don't yet use it said it was in use. I had to repair my connection often just to do work on the network and it would work for a while then again say duplicate IP. That's why I'm convinced it's traffic. I started turning Towers back on one at a time and for about 6 towers there were no drops, I drove to the next junction site to turn more on but by then the original 6 were dropping, I turned the rest of them on but by now it's 11PM so traffic was probably lower as it's Sat. Night. Honestly I don't know what to do, Our Backhauls are all Mikrotik to our 12 towers, WireShark isn't seeing anything unusual, I have icmp packet drop in the filters. My weekend is basically ruined, what's new in this business, but if anyone has ideas I've talked to two networking gurus in town and they both said geez I don't know you wireless guys have way bigger networks than we do. sigh. Thanks, Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP
Sounds like you need some filtering bridges to help you in the meantime. Drop some in the network and add some rules for DHCP and such. You don¹t have to re-address. -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog Wisp Consulting Tower Climbing Network Support From: Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2010 16:31:40 -0700 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP Wow very interesting hypothesis since it happened right after a lightning storm with heavy rain. Trouble is I shut off all six backhauls and started turning them on one by one until I had a IP conflict warning then turned that one off, the IP conflict happened again, yes I did arp -d to clear the bouncing out of it but then it happened on a different tower, I just can't seem to find it and yes we're way too large to be bridged, that was our summer project to become routed but that doesn't help today. It's a great idea but I have 54 AP's so I don't know where to start. Forbes On 8/1/2010 11:09 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: Forbes, I remember seeing something similar to this on the list a few months back. Turned out he guy was running a bridged network and water got into the Ethernet connector on a Bullet and was causing Layer2 broadcast storms on the network. Very similar results to what you are reporting. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Forbes Mercy Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2010 2:45 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] I NEED HELP This has been a very long day, after a lightning storm we started to have towers randomly drop for 2-10 minutes with no consistency as to where, how how long. The tower that was affected by last nights lightning restarted (locally) so that wasn't it. The outages were so extensive that at one time we had 17 devices down and five minutes later 65 devices down, 10 minutes later 33, so you see where this is coming from. I went to the head end and rebooted everything from the core router on out., changed passwords on the core in case it had been compromised but show run didn't reveal anything. Oh the other thing, every computer we have started to say IP address is in use on the network, no matter what we changed it to, even a subnet we don't yet use it said it was in use. I had to repair my connection often just to do work on the network and it would work for a while then again say duplicate IP. That's why I'm convinced it's traffic. I started turning Towers back on one at a time and for about 6 towers there were no drops, I drove to the next junction site to turn more on but by then the original 6 were dropping, I turned the rest of them on but by now it's 11PM so traffic was probably lower as it's Sat. Night. Honestly I don't know what to do, Our Backhauls are all Mikrotik to our 12 towers, WireShark isn't seeing anything unusual, I have icmp packet drop in the filters. My weekend is basically ruined, what's new in this business, but if anyone has ideas I've talked to two networking gurus in town and they both said geez I don't know you wireless guys have way bigger networks than we do. sigh. Thanks, Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP
Forbes Mercy wrote: Wow very interesting hypothesis since it happened right after a lightning storm with heavy rain. Trouble is I shut off all six backhauls and started turning them on one by one until I had a IP conflict warning then turned that one off, the IP conflict happened again, yes I did arp -d to clear the bouncing out of it but then it happened on a different tower, I just can't seem to find it and yes we're way too large to be bridged, that was our summer project to become routed but that doesn't help today. It's a great idea but I have 54 AP's so I don't know where to start. Forbes Hi Forbes, I agree with Kurt (below), sounds like a layer2 issue. I had similar issues in the past, after storms. Typically a dumb switch on the network goes bad, and causing arp problems. Now ... the hard part... how to find which device is causing the problem? Some ideas: 1) Try pinging a device on your network that you know is working fine. If you can't reach it, then good! Now immediately dump your arp table and look for the mac address of the ip you are trying to ping. This mac might be the bad device. Or at least it might point in the right direction (if you're doing proxy-arp on some of your links then the bad device may be located on the other side of this mac). 2) Start up wireshark (or tcpdump) and watch the arp packets. Look for a mac address which show up a lot. Dump your arp table and see what ip addresses match this mac address. Look for arp table entries which have the same mac, which is not normal (unless you're doing proxy-arp). Doing this may give some clues. If you have many different types of devices on your network, use one of the mac lookup tools to find out what kind of device it is, given the mac address: http://www.coffer.com/mac_find This might help narrow down the device. 3) Watch the stats on the radios to see which clients or radio links have high packet counts. If there is an arp storm, this may help you narrow down which client is causing the storm. (ideally do it at a time when your network is normally quiet, like early morning) 4) Focus on sites where you have dumb switches installed. I find these dumb switches often go berserk when zapped. 5) Focus on sites that have had problems in past storms. Chances are higher that they are causing your current problem. (in my case these sites are the ones which don't have shielded cat5 or are poorly grounded) 6) If your network covers a large geographical area and the storm was localized then focus on looking for the bad device in the area where the storm hit hard. Good luck. John On 8/1/2010 11:09 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: Forbes, I remember seeing something similar to this on the list a few months back. Turned out he guy was running a bridged network and water got into the Ethernet connector on a Bullet and was causing Layer2 broadcast storms on the network. Very similar results to what you are reporting. Kurt Fankhauser WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP
Forbes, Another thing to check, do you have any switches that do POE? Make sure you don't have a CAT5 wire with water getting inside and traveling all the way down into your switch and dumping water in there. -Kurt Fankhauser - Original Message - From: John Kingsley j...@wakenet.ca To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2010 9:42 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP Forbes Mercy wrote: Wow very interesting hypothesis since it happened right after a lightning storm with heavy rain. Trouble is I shut off all six backhauls and started turning them on one by one until I had a IP conflict warning then turned that one off, the IP conflict happened again, yes I did arp -d to clear the bouncing out of it but then it happened on a different tower, I just can't seem to find it and yes we're way too large to be bridged, that was our summer project to become routed but that doesn't help today. It's a great idea but I have 54 AP's so I don't know where to start. Forbes Hi Forbes, I agree with Kurt (below), sounds like a layer2 issue. I had similar issues in the past, after storms. Typically a dumb switch on the network goes bad, and causing arp problems. Now ... the hard part... how to find which device is causing the problem? Some ideas: 1) Try pinging a device on your network that you know is working fine. If you can't reach it, then good! Now immediately dump your arp table and look for the mac address of the ip you are trying to ping. This mac might be the bad device. Or at least it might point in the right direction (if you're doing proxy-arp on some of your links then the bad device may be located on the other side of this mac). 2) Start up wireshark (or tcpdump) and watch the arp packets. Look for a mac address which show up a lot. Dump your arp table and see what ip addresses match this mac address. Look for arp table entries which have the same mac, which is not normal (unless you're doing proxy-arp). Doing this may give some clues. If you have many different types of devices on your network, use one of the mac lookup tools to find out what kind of device it is, given the mac address: http://www.coffer.com/mac_find This might help narrow down the device. 3) Watch the stats on the radios to see which clients or radio links have high packet counts. If there is an arp storm, this may help you narrow down which client is causing the storm. (ideally do it at a time when your network is normally quiet, like early morning) 4) Focus on sites where you have dumb switches installed. I find these dumb switches often go berserk when zapped. 5) Focus on sites that have had problems in past storms. Chances are higher that they are causing your current problem. (in my case these sites are the ones which don't have shielded cat5 or are poorly grounded) 6) If your network covers a large geographical area and the storm was localized then focus on looking for the bad device in the area where the storm hit hard. Good luck. John On 8/1/2010 11:09 AM, Kurt Fankhauser wrote: Forbes, I remember seeing something similar to this on the list a few months back. Turned out he guy was running a bridged network and water got into the Ethernet connector on a Bullet and was causing Layer2 broadcast storms on the network. Very similar results to what you are reporting. Kurt Fankhauser WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] I NEED HELP
Hey whoever forwarded my issue to Brett thanks, he pointed out how to isolate individual bridges with WireShark. I did that and found the tower, it's too late today but having that tower down brought the rest of the system back up. As Marlon said so will you be routed tomorrow? Well maybe not tomorrow but the switchover from Bridged to Routed is about my highest priority now. I missed a great summer weekend chasing this down and all of you helped me tremendously. Thanks so much for once again reminding me how great it is being in WISPA. Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
