[WISPA] 48v DC power for Cisco 2960c
Hi List, Looking for a 48v regulator/POE to power a Cisco 2960c from 48v solar power source I expect that this would have to take a wide range input 40v - 56v and output a steady 48v One other question, will the POE be 802.3af or is it 802.3at? Thanks, - - - *Olufemi Adalemo* f...@adalemo.com ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Heads up - 2' Arc 5.8 dish antennas
Even the best companies screw up from time to time.. I just got in 10 Gabriel dual polarity dishes that had single pole feed horns. Things happen. They are making it right. -B- On Jan 8, 2013, at 12:23 AM, Doug Clark d...@txox.com wrote: To mount your AP.. ---Original Message--- From: Josh Luthman Date: 1/7/2013 10:26:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Heads up - 2' Arc 5.8 dish antennas Didn't notice the pipe welded on the left, what's that for? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 12:18 AM, Doug Clark d...@txox.com wrote: That sucks that the factory screwed up. I am sure it was an isolated thing though. You bought two of them, right? Was both of them FUBAR'd? ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Heads up - 2' Arc 5.8 dish antennas
Most of our WISP antennas, regardless of brand, are being made by a single company, KBT-USA.com They have been for years now. I agree, things happen but every once in a while the QC inspectors are on vacation, yet the factory keeps shipping without their final approval :) C *Broadband: Speed, Distance, Reliability, Cost**..*.*Pick three* *-** http://livestream.com/rafwireless http://www.youtube.com/user/Rafmanne** http://twitter.com/Rafmanne* * http://twitter.com/Rafmannehttp://audioboo.fm/Rafmanne http://picasaweb.google.com/rafwireless*** *--Photo Albums* ** http://www.youtube.com/user/Rafmanne On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 8:15 AM, Bob Moldashel lakel...@gbcx.net wrote: Even the best companies screw up from time to time.. I just got in 10 Gabriel dual polarity dishes that had single pole feed horns. Things happen. They are making it right. -B- On Jan 8, 2013, at 12:23 AM, Doug Clark d...@txox.com wrote: To mount your AP.. *---Original Message---* *From:* Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com *Date:* 1/7/2013 10:26:36 PM *To:* WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Heads up - 2' Arc 5.8 dish antennas Didn't notice the pipe welded on the left, what's that for? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 12:18 AM, Doug Clark d...@txox.com wrote: That sucks that the factory screwed up. I am sure it was an isolated thing though. You bought two of them, right? Was both of them FUBAR'd? -- ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Heads up - 2' Arc 5.8 dish antennas
The dish is most definitely an ARC dish. ARC is the only company that puts that pipe on the left side to mount the Rocket to. Thats clever. That sucks that the factory screwed up. I am sure it was an isolated thing though. You bought two of them, right? Was both of them FUBAR'd? ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
That's the new UBNT Edge Router line. I was not aware that they have actually shipped to general public yet. UBNT is trying to get into the Router market as well. Time will tell. Steve Barnes General Manager PCS-WIN / RC-WiFihttp://www.rcwifi.com/ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of ~NGL~ Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2013 1:43 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router Anyone have any experience with this router? NGL [cid:image001.gif@01CDEDA8.13FB3010] If you can read this Thank A Teacher. And if it's in English Thank A Soldier! inline: image001.gif___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
Streakwave is supposedly shipping orders placed back when it was announced. Mine hasn't arrived yet :-( On Jan 8, 2013 12:57 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: That’s the new UBNT Edge Router line. I was not aware that they have actually shipped to general public yet. ** ** UBNT is trying to get into the Router market as well. Time will tell. ** ** Steve Barnes General Manager PCS-WIN / RC-WiFi http://www.rcwifi.com/ ** ** *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *~NGL~ *Sent:* Tuesday, January 08, 2013 1:43 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router ** ** Anyone have any experience with this router? NGL If you can read this Thank A Teacher. And if it's in English Thank A Soldier! ** ** ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless inline: image001.gif___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
I wouldn't touch one with a ten foot pole. Sent from my Verizon Wireless smartphone Jon Auer j...@tapodi.net wrote: Streakwave is supposedly shipping orders placed back when it was announced. Mine hasn't arrived yet :-( On Jan 8, 2013 12:57 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: That’s the new UBNT Edge Router line. I was not aware that they have actually shipped to general public yet. ** ** UBNT is trying to get into the Router market as well. Time will tell. ** ** Steve Barnes General Manager PCS-WIN / RC-WiFi http://www.rcwifi.com/ ** ** *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *~NGL~ *Sent:* Tuesday, January 08, 2013 1:43 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router ** ** Anyone have any experience with this router? NGL If you can read this Thank A Teacher. And if it's in English Thank A Soldier! ** ** ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
That's an awfully bold statement. How come? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Christian Palecek christ...@cybernet1.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 4:30:22 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router I wouldn't touch one with a ten foot pole. Sent from my Verizon Wireless smartphone Jon Auer j...@tapodi.net wrote: Streakwave is supposedly shipping orders placed back when it was announced. Mine hasn't arrived yet :-( On Jan 8, 2013 12:57 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: That’s the new UBNT Edge Router line. I was not aware that they have actually shipped to general public yet. ** ** UBNT is trying to get into the Router market as well. Time will tell. ** ** Steve Barnes General Manager PCS-WIN / RC-WiFi http://www.rcwifi.com/ ** ** *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *~NGL~ *Sent:* Tuesday, January 08, 2013 1:43 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router ** ** Anyone have any experience with this router? NGL If you can read this Thank A Teacher. And if it's in English Thank A Soldier! ** ** ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
Why? Do you have one in service? NGL -- From: Christian Palecek christ...@cybernet1.com Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2013 2:30 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router I wouldn't touch one with a ten foot pole. Sent from my Verizon Wireless smartphone Jon Auer j...@tapodi.net wrote: Streakwave is supposedly shipping orders placed back when it was announced. Mine hasn't arrived yet :-( On Jan 8, 2013 12:57 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: That’s the new UBNT Edge Router line. I was not aware that they have actually shipped to general public yet. ** ** UBNT is trying to get into the Router market as well. Time will tell. ** ** Steve Barnes General Manager PCS-WIN / RC-WiFi http://www.rcwifi.com/ ** ** *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *~NGL~ *Sent:* Tuesday, January 08, 2013 1:43 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router ** ** Anyone have any experience with this router? NGL If you can read this Thank A Teacher. And if it's in English Thank A Soldier! ** ** ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
I have no reason to buy them at all. They're going to be less reliable than Mikrotik (which is really really bad) and not be as good software wise. Where does this device fit? Their ad suggests it is to replace a Cisco. Ya right. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 5:33 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.netwrote: That's an awfully bold statement. How come? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Christian Palecek christ...@cybernet1.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 4:30:22 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router I wouldn't touch one with a ten foot pole. Sent from my Verizon Wireless smartphone Jon Auer j...@tapodi.net wrote: Streakwave is supposedly shipping orders placed back when it was announced. Mine hasn't arrived yet :-( On Jan 8, 2013 12:57 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: That’s the new UBNT Edge Router line. I was not aware that they have actually shipped to general public yet. ** ** UBNT is trying to get into the Router market as well. Time will tell. ** ** Steve Barnes General Manager PCS-WIN / RC-WiFi http://www.rcwifi.com/ ** ** *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *~NGL~ *Sent:* Tuesday, January 08, 2013 1:43 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router ** ** Anyone have any experience with this router? NGL If you can read this Thank A Teacher. And if it's in English Thank A Soldier! ** ** ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
Why not? I've had very good success with mine so far. We've stopped buying MikroTiks and will be phasing in ToughSwitches and EdgeRouters. I need support. MT was good while there was no other competition. On Jan 8, 2013, at 17:30, Christian Palecek christ...@cybernet1.com wrote: I wouldn't touch one with a ten foot pole. Sent from my Verizon Wireless smartphone Jon Auer j...@tapodi.net wrote: Streakwave is supposedly shipping orders placed back when it was announced. Mine hasn't arrived yet :-( On Jan 8, 2013 12:57 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: That’s the new UBNT Edge Router line. I was not aware that they have actually shipped to general public yet. ** ** UBNT is trying to get into the Router market as well. Time will tell. ** ** Steve Barnes General Manager PCS-WIN / RC-WiFi http://www.rcwifi.com/ ** ** *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *~NGL~ *Sent:* Tuesday, January 08, 2013 1:43 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router ** ** Anyone have any experience with this router? NGL If you can read this Thank A Teacher. And if it's in English Thank A Soldier! ** ** ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
Please backup your statement. They are based on Yvatta which is very stable. There is actually support for them - unlike MikroTik. Software does everything a MikroTik does - maybe more since you can load your own packages if you wish. I've seen no issues with the ERs in our network. On Jan 8, 2013, at 17:56, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I have no reason to buy them at all. They're going to be less reliable than Mikrotik (which is really really bad) and not be as good software wise. Where does this device fit? Their ad suggests it is to replace a Cisco. Ya right. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 5:33 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: That's an awfully bold statement. How come? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Christian Palecek christ...@cybernet1.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 4:30:22 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router I wouldn't touch one with a ten foot pole. Sent from my Verizon Wireless smartphone Jon Auer j...@tapodi.net wrote: Streakwave is supposedly shipping orders placed back when it was announced. Mine hasn't arrived yet :-( On Jan 8, 2013 12:57 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: That’s the new UBNT Edge Router line. I was not aware that they have actually shipped to general public yet. ** ** UBNT is trying to get into the Router market as well. Time will tell. ** ** Steve Barnes General Manager PCS-WIN / RC-WiFi http://www.rcwifi.com/ ** ** *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *~NGL~ *Sent:* Tuesday, January 08, 2013 1:43 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router ** ** Anyone have any experience with this router? NGL If you can read this Thank A Teacher. And if it's in English Thank A Soldier! ** ** ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
I was going to answer you guys...but you both boasted Ubiquiti support... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 6:04 PM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.comwrote: Please backup your statement. They are based on Yvatta which is very stable. There is actually support for them - unlike MikroTik. Software does everything a MikroTik does - maybe more since you can load your own packages if you wish. I've seen no issues with the ERs in our network. On Jan 8, 2013, at 17:56, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I have no reason to buy them at all. They're going to be less reliable than Mikrotik (which is really really bad) and not be as good software wise. Where does this device fit? Their ad suggests it is to replace a Cisco. Ya right. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 5:33 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.netwrote: That's an awfully bold statement. How come? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Christian Palecek christ...@cybernet1.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 4:30:22 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router I wouldn't touch one with a ten foot pole. Sent from my Verizon Wireless smartphone Jon Auer j...@tapodi.net wrote: Streakwave is supposedly shipping orders placed back when it was announced. Mine hasn't arrived yet :-( On Jan 8, 2013 12:57 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: That’s the new UBNT Edge Router line. I was not aware that they have actually shipped to general public yet. ** ** UBNT is trying to get into the Router market as well. Time will tell. ** ** Steve Barnes General Manager PCS-WIN / RC-WiFi http://www.rcwifi.com/ ** ** *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *~NGL~ *Sent:* Tuesday, January 08, 2013 1:43 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router ** ** Anyone have any experience with this router? NGL If you can read this Thank A Teacher. And if it's in English Thank A Soldier! ** ** ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
The software does not do everything that mikrotik's routerOS does. Where is the MPLS support, something that many people use on routerOS? On 09.01.2013 10:04, Matt Hoppes wrote: Please backup your statement. They are based on Yvatta which is very stable. There is actually support for them - unlike MikroTik. Software does everything a MikroTik does - maybe more since you can load your own packages if you wish. I've seen no issues with the ERs in our network. On Jan 8, 2013, at 17:56, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I have no reason to buy them at all. They're going to be less reliable than Mikrotik (which is really really bad) and not be as good software wise. Where does this device fit? Their ad suggests it is to replace a Cisco. Ya right. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 5:33 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: That's an awfully bold statement. How come? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [1] - Original Message - From: Christian Palecek christ...@cybernet1.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 4:30:22 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router I wouldn't touch one with a ten foot pole. Sent from my Verizon Wireless smartphone Jon Auer j...@tapodi.net wrote: Streakwave is supposedly shipping orders placed back when it was announced. Mine hasn't arrived yet :-( On Jan 8, 2013 12:57 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: That’s the new UBNT Edge Router line. I was not aware that they have actually shipped to general public yet. ** ** UBNT is trying to get into the Router market as well. Time will tell. ** ** Steve Barnes General Manager PCS-WIN / RC-WiFi http://www.rcwifi.com/ [2] ** ** *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *~NGL~ *Sent:* Tuesday, January 08, 2013 1:43 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router ** ** Anyone have any experience with this router? NGL If you can read this Thank A Teacher. And if it's in English Thank A Soldier! ** ** ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless [3] ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless [3] ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless [3] ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless [3] ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless [3] Links: -- [1] http://www.ics-il.com [2] http://www.rcwifi.com/ [3] http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
You are correct. No MPLS yet. But that is being worked on I'm sure. On the other hand - if you really need MPLS shouldn't you be running a Cisco or a Juniper? On Jan 8, 2013, at 18:06, Andrew Jones a...@jonesy.com.au wrote: The software does not do everything that mikrotik's routerOS does. Where is the MPLS support, something that many people use on routerOS? On 09.01.2013 10:04, Matt Hoppes wrote: Please backup your statement. They are based on Yvatta which is very stable. There is actually support for them - unlike MikroTik. Software does everything a MikroTik does - maybe more since you can load your own packages if you wish. I've seen no issues with the ERs in our network. On Jan 8, 2013, at 17:56, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I have no reason to buy them at all. They're going to be less reliable than Mikrotik (which is really really bad) and not be as good software wise. Where does this device fit? Their ad suggests it is to replace a Cisco. Ya right. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 5:33 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: That's an awfully bold statement. How come? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [1] - Original Message - From: Christian Palecek christ...@cybernet1.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 4:30:22 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router I wouldn't touch one with a ten foot pole. Sent from my Verizon Wireless smartphone Jon Auer j...@tapodi.net wrote: Streakwave is supposedly shipping orders placed back when it was announced. Mine hasn't arrived yet :-( On Jan 8, 2013 12:57 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: That’s the new UBNT Edge Router line. I was not aware that they have actually shipped to general public yet. ** ** UBNT is trying to get into the Router market as well. Time will tell. ** ** Steve Barnes General Manager PCS-WIN / RC-WiFi http://www.rcwifi.com/ [2] ** ** *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *~NGL~ *Sent:* Tuesday, January 08, 2013 1:43 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router ** ** Anyone have any experience with this router? NGL If you can read this Thank A Teacher. And if it's in English Thank A Soldier! ** ** ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless [3] ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless [3] ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless [3] ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless [3] ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless [3] Links: -- [1] http://www.ics-il.com [2] http://www.rcwifi.com/ [3] http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
On the other hand - if you really need MPLS shouldn't you be running a Cisco or a Juniper? Why? Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 6:11 PM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.comwrote: On the other hand - if you really need MPLS shouldn't you be running a Cisco or a Juniper? ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
I'm not so sure that MPLS support is being worked on. There is certainly no commitment to it from Ubiquiti's forum reps and based on the fact that there is no actively-maintained, feature-complete, freely-available MPLS implementation for Linux, I'm not holding my breath. Why should I only run MPLS on a Cisco or Juniper device? There are many people happily running MPLS on routerOS, including VPLS which is not available on Cisco devices until you start to get into the very expensive end of town. On 09.01.2013 10:11, Matt Hoppes wrote: You are correct. No MPLS yet. But that is being worked on I'm sure. On the other hand - if you really need MPLS shouldn't you be running a Cisco or a Juniper? On Jan 8, 2013, at 18:06, Andrew Jones a...@jonesy.com.au wrote: The software does not do everything that mikrotik's routerOS does. Where is the MPLS support, something that many people use on routerOS? On 09.01.2013 10:04, Matt Hoppes wrote: Please backup your statement. They are based on Yvatta which is very stable. There is actually support for them - unlike MikroTik. Software does everything a MikroTik does - maybe more since you can load your own packages if you wish. I've seen no issues with the ERs in our network. On Jan 8, 2013, at 17:56, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I have no reason to buy them at all. They're going to be less reliable than Mikrotik (which is really really bad) and not be as good software wise. Where does this device fit? Their ad suggests it is to replace a Cisco. Ya right. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 5:33 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: That's an awfully bold statement. How come? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [1] - Original Message - From: Christian Palecek christ...@cybernet1.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 4:30:22 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router I wouldn't touch one with a ten foot pole. Sent from my Verizon Wireless smartphone Jon Auer j...@tapodi.net wrote: Streakwave is supposedly shipping orders placed back when it was announced. Mine hasn't arrived yet :-( On Jan 8, 2013 12:57 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: That’s the new UBNT Edge Router line. I was not aware that they have actually shipped to general public yet. ** ** UBNT is trying to get into the Router market as well. Time will tell. ** ** Steve Barnes General Manager PCS-WIN / RC-WiFi http://www.rcwifi.com/ [2] ** ** *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *~NGL~ *Sent:* Tuesday, January 08, 2013 1:43 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router ** ** Anyone have any experience with this router? NGL If you can read this Thank A Teacher. And if it's in English Thank A Soldier! ** ** ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless [3] ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless [3] ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless [3] ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless [3] ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless [3] Links: -- [1] http://www.ics-il.com [2] http://www.rcwifi.com/ [3] http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
I'm sure you'll be making good use of that support. Sent from my Verizon Wireless smartphone Christian Palecek christ...@cybernet1.com wrote: I wouldn't touch one with a ten foot pole. Sent from my Verizon Wireless smartphone Jon Auer j...@tapodi.net wrote: Streakwave is supposedly shipping orders placed back when it was announced. Mine hasn't arrived yet :-( On Jan 8, 2013 12:57 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: That’s the new UBNT Edge Router line. I was not aware that they have actually shipped to general public yet. ** ** UBNT is trying to get into the Router market as well. Time will tell. ** ** Steve Barnes General Manager PCS-WIN / RC-WiFi http://www.rcwifi.com/ ** ** *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *~NGL~ *Sent:* Tuesday, January 08, 2013 1:43 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router ** ** Anyone have any experience with this router? NGL If you can read this Thank A Teacher. And if it's in English Thank A Soldier! ** ** ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
On 1/8/2013 6:23 PM, Andrew Jones wrote: I'm not so sure that MPLS support is being worked on. There is certainly no commitment to it from Ubiquiti's forum reps and based on the fact that there is no actively-maintained, feature-complete, freely-available MPLS implementation for Linux, I'm not holding my breath. Why should I only run MPLS on a Cisco or Juniper device? There are many people happily running MPLS on routerOS, including VPLS which is not available on Cisco devices until you start to get into the very expensive end of town. For the moment, if you're doing enterprise managed services (the highest profit end of the ISP business, though a stretch for most WISPs), MPLS is the only game in town. You do it on a router that has it, or on a switch that has it. Enterprises use their own IP space (usually 10.x) and thus service providers have to stay at a lower layer. And you can't really do VoIP decently (full quality) without some kind of QoS-enabled shim below IP. If you're outside of the scope of a Carrier Ethernet VC, then you probably are using MPLS. There is MPLS for Linux, which presumably is what RouterOS uses, since they don't make their own sources available and they'd probably have to if they wrote it So I'm surprised that Vyatta hasn't bothered with it. Cisco is way too expensive. RouterOS boxes on big Intel iron are more capable, though RouterOS can be a bid dodgey at times (as can a lot of other systems). On 09.01.2013 10:11, Matt Hoppes wrote: You are correct. No MPLS yet. But that is being worked on I'm sure. On the other hand - if you really need MPLS shouldn't you be running a Cisco or a Juniper? On Jan 8, 2013, at 18:06, Andrew Jones a...@jonesy.com.au wrote: The software does not do everything that mikrotik's routerOS does. Where is the MPLS support, something that many people use on routerOS? -- Fred R. Goldstein fred at interisle.net Interisle Consulting Group +1 617 795 2701 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
What is bandwidth shaping like on the EdgeRouter? I know it can be done since it is debian under the hood, just wondering what the interface CLI or GUI is like. I use to use a linux box for traffic shaping, but one of the main reasons for switch to MT back in the day was the fact that using tc on linux was painful. On 01/08/2013 05:02 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote: Why not? I've had very good success with mine so far. We've stopped buying MikroTiks and will be phasing in ToughSwitches and EdgeRouters. I need support. MT was good while there was no other competition. On Jan 8, 2013, at 17:30, Christian Palecek christ...@cybernet1.com wrote: I wouldn't touch one with a ten foot pole. Sent from my Verizon Wireless smartphone Jon Auer j...@tapodi.net wrote: Streakwave is supposedly shipping orders placed back when it was announced. Mine hasn't arrived yet :-( On Jan 8, 2013 12:57 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: That’s the new UBNT Edge Router line. I was not aware that they have actually shipped to general public yet. ** ** UBNT is trying to get into the Router market as well. Time will tell. ** ** Steve Barnes General Manager PCS-WIN / RC-WiFi http://www.rcwifi.com/ ** ** *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *~NGL~ *Sent:* Tuesday, January 08, 2013 1:43 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router ** ** Anyone have any experience with this router? NGL If you can read this Thank A Teacher. And if it's in English Thank A Soldier! ** ** ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
What about VLANing that traffic? As fat as the ER. If enough people want MPLS they will add it. You can't say the same for MikroTik with their egotistic mentality. Have you ever tried to convince them there is a bug? On Jan 8, 2013, at 18:46, Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com wrote: On 1/8/2013 6:23 PM, Andrew Jones wrote: I'm not so sure that MPLS support is being worked on. There is certainly no commitment to it from Ubiquiti's forum reps and based on the fact that there is no actively-maintained, feature-complete, freely-available MPLS implementation for Linux, I'm not holding my breath. Why should I only run MPLS on a Cisco or Juniper device? There are many people happily running MPLS on routerOS, including VPLS which is not available on Cisco devices until you start to get into the very expensive end of town. For the moment, if you're doing enterprise managed services (the highest profit end of the ISP business, though a stretch for most WISPs), MPLS is the only game in town. You do it on a router that has it, or on a switch that has it. Enterprises use their own IP space (usually 10.x) and thus service providers have to stay at a lower layer. And you can't really do VoIP decently (full quality) without some kind of QoS-enabled shim below IP. If you're outside of the scope of a Carrier Ethernet VC, then you probably are using MPLS. There is MPLS for Linux, which presumably is what RouterOS uses, since they don't make their own sources available and they'd probably have to if they wrote it So I'm surprised that Vyatta hasn't bothered with it. Cisco is way too expensive. RouterOS boxes on big Intel iron are more capable, though RouterOS can be a bid dodgey at times (as can a lot of other systems). On 09.01.2013 10:11, Matt Hoppes wrote: You are correct. No MPLS yet. But that is being worked on I'm sure. On the other hand - if you really need MPLS shouldn't you be running a Cisco or a Juniper? On Jan 8, 2013, at 18:06, Andrew Jones a...@jonesy.com.au wrote: The software does not do everything that mikrotik's routerOS does. Where is the MPLS support, something that many people use on routerOS? -- Fred R. Goldstein fred at interisle.net Interisle Consulting Group +1 617 795 2701 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
Keep in mind that it's Vyatta's routing implementation, not UBNT's. I'd check on their roadmap for MPLS. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 8, 2013, at 7:02 PM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: What about VLANing that traffic? As fat as the ER. If enough people want MPLS they will add it. You can't say the same for MikroTik with their egotistic mentality. Have you ever tried to convince them there is a bug? On Jan 8, 2013, at 18:46, Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com wrote: On 1/8/2013 6:23 PM, Andrew Jones wrote: I'm not so sure that MPLS support is being worked on. There is certainly no commitment to it from Ubiquiti's forum reps and based on the fact that there is no actively-maintained, feature-complete, freely-available MPLS implementation for Linux, I'm not holding my breath. Why should I only run MPLS on a Cisco or Juniper device? There are many people happily running MPLS on routerOS, including VPLS which is not available on Cisco devices until you start to get into the very expensive end of town. For the moment, if you're doing enterprise managed services (the highest profit end of the ISP business, though a stretch for most WISPs), MPLS is the only game in town. You do it on a router that has it, or on a switch that has it. Enterprises use their own IP space (usually 10.x) and thus service providers have to stay at a lower layer. And you can't really do VoIP decently (full quality) without some kind of QoS-enabled shim below IP. If you're outside of the scope of a Carrier Ethernet VC, then you probably are using MPLS. There is MPLS for Linux, which presumably is what RouterOS uses, since they don't make their own sources available and they'd probably have to if they wrote it So I'm surprised that Vyatta hasn't bothered with it. Cisco is way too expensive. RouterOS boxes on big Intel iron are more capable, though RouterOS can be a bid dodgey at times (as can a lot of other systems). On 09.01.2013 10:11, Matt Hoppes wrote: You are correct. No MPLS yet. But that is being worked on I'm sure. On the other hand - if you really need MPLS shouldn't you be running a Cisco or a Juniper? On Jan 8, 2013, at 18:06, Andrew Jones a...@jonesy.com.au wrote: The software does not do everything that mikrotik's routerOS does. Where is the MPLS support, something that many people use on routerOS? -- Fred R. Goldstein fred at interisle.net Interisle Consulting Group +1 617 795 2701 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
Vyatta under the hood. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 8, 2013 6:55 PM, Sam Tetherow tethe...@shwisp.net wrote: What is bandwidth shaping like on the EdgeRouter? I know it can be done since it is debian under the hood, just wondering what the interface CLI or GUI is like. I use to use a linux box for traffic shaping, but one of the main reasons for switch to MT back in the day was the fact that using tc on linux was painful. On 01/08/2013 05:02 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote: Why not? I've had very good success with mine so far. We've stopped buying MikroTiks and will be phasing in ToughSwitches and EdgeRouters. I need support. MT was good while there was no other competition. On Jan 8, 2013, at 17:30, Christian Palecek christ...@cybernet1.com wrote: I wouldn't touch one with a ten foot pole. Sent from my Verizon Wireless smartphone Jon Auer j...@tapodi.net wrote: Streakwave is supposedly shipping orders placed back when it was announced. Mine hasn't arrived yet :-( On Jan 8, 2013 12:57 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: That’s the new UBNT Edge Router line. I was not aware that they have actually shipped to general public yet. ** ** UBNT is trying to get into the Router market as well. Time will tell. ** ** Steve Barnes General Manager PCS-WIN / RC-WiFi http://www.rcwifi.com/ ** ** *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *~NGL~ *Sent:* Tuesday, January 08, 2013 1:43 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router ** ** Anyone have any experience with this router? NGL If you can read this Thank A Teacher. And if it's in English Thank A Soldier! ** ** ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
Which is debian under the hood. Haven't used vyatta though so I don't know if there is a vyatta abstraction for tc or not, which is why I asked the question of the interface for bandwidth limiting. On 01/08/2013 06:15 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: Vyatta under the hood. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 8, 2013 6:55 PM, Sam Tetherow tethe...@shwisp.net mailto:tethe...@shwisp.net wrote: What is bandwidth shaping like on the EdgeRouter? I know it can be done since it is debian under the hood, just wondering what the interface CLI or GUI is like. I use to use a linux box for traffic shaping, but one of the main reasons for switch to MT back in the day was the fact that using tc on linux was painful. On 01/08/2013 05:02 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote: Why not? I've had very good success with mine so far. We've stopped buying MikroTiks and will be phasing in ToughSwitches and EdgeRouters. I need support. MT was good while there was no other competition. On Jan 8, 2013, at 17:30, Christian Palecek christ...@cybernet1.com mailto:christ...@cybernet1.com wrote: I wouldn't touch one with a ten foot pole. Sent from my Verizon Wireless smartphone Jon Auer j...@tapodi.net mailto:j...@tapodi.net wrote: Streakwave is supposedly shipping orders placed back when it was announced. Mine hasn't arrived yet :-( On Jan 8, 2013 12:57 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com mailto:st...@pcswin.com wrote: That's the new UBNT Edge Router line. I was not aware that they have actually shipped to general public yet. ** ** UBNT is trying to get into the Router market as well. Time will tell. ** ** Steve Barnes General Manager PCS-WIN / RC-WiFi http://www.rcwifi.com/ ** ** *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *~NGL~ *Sent:* Tuesday, January 08, 2013 1:43 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router ** ** Anyone have any experience with this router? NGL If you can read this Thank A Teacher. And if it's in English Thank A Soldier! ** ** ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
On 1/8/2013 7:02 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote: What about VLANing that traffic? As fat as the ER. If enough people want MPLS they will add it. You can't say the same for MikroTik with their egotistic mentality. I totally get what you mean about MT. We've got some ROS boxes doing good service, but then I tried a pair of 951s at home and had to take them out, as they just don't stay up. It's not uniform, and you get what you get. Vyatta doesn't compile in MPLS so EdgeOS doesn't have it. Vyatta is now Brocade so I don't know how flexible they'll be. VLANing is of no use. That provides a degree of protection against interception, but no QoS and no protection against DDoS. And it's kind of ugly. Not that MPLS isn't ugly, but until RINA is ready it can sort of work. Have you ever tried to convince them there is a bug? On Jan 8, 2013, at 18:46, Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com wrote: On 1/8/2013 6:23 PM, Andrew Jones wrote: I'm not so sure that MPLS support is being worked on. There is certainly no commitment to it from Ubiquiti's forum reps and based on the fact that there is no actively-maintained, feature-complete, freely-available MPLS implementation for Linux, I'm not holding my breath. Why should I only run MPLS on a Cisco or Juniper device? There are many people happily running MPLS on routerOS, including VPLS which is not available on Cisco devices until you start to get into the very expensive end of town. For the moment, if you're doing enterprise managed services (the highest profit end of the ISP business, though a stretch for most WISPs), MPLS is the only game in town. You do it on a router that has it, or on a switch that has it. Enterprises use their own IP space (usually 10.x) and thus service providers have to stay at a lower layer. And you can't really do VoIP decently (full quality) without some kind of QoS-enabled shim below IP. If you're outside of the scope of a Carrier Ethernet VC, then you probably are using MPLS. There is MPLS for Linux, which presumably is what RouterOS uses, since they don't make their own sources available and they'd probably have to if they wrote it So I'm surprised that Vyatta hasn't bothered with it. Cisco is way too expensive. RouterOS boxes on big Intel iron are more capable, though RouterOS can be a bid dodgey at times (as can a lot of other systems). On 09.01.2013 10:11, Matt Hoppes wrote: You are correct. No MPLS yet. But that is being worked on I'm sure. On the other hand - if you really need MPLS shouldn't you be running a Cisco or a Juniper? On Jan 8, 2013, at 18:06, Andrew Jones a...@jonesy.com.au wrote: The software does not do everything that mikrotik's routerOS does. Where is the MPLS support, something that many people use on routerOS? -- Fred R. Goldstein fred at interisle.net Interisle Consulting Group +1 617 795 2701 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Fred R. Goldstein fred at interisle.net Interisle Consulting Group +1 617 795 2701 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
Do you have anything to base that on? I have both MT and UBNT devices that have been up without missing a beat since they last had firmware upgraded 9+ months ago. Now I know UBNT will have big shoes to fill if they plan on unseating Mikrotik, but give them a couple years and I think they'll be alright. I likely won't use the first generation in production. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 4:56:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router I have no reason to buy them at all. They're going to be less reliable than Mikrotik (which is really really bad) and not be as good software wise. Where does this device fit? Their ad suggests it is to replace a Cisco. Ya right. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 5:33 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: That's an awfully bold statement. How come? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Christian Palecek christ...@cybernet1.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 4:30:22 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router I wouldn't touch one with a ten foot pole. Sent from my Verizon Wireless smartphone Jon Auer j...@tapodi.net wrote: Streakwave is supposedly shipping orders placed back when it was announced. Mine hasn't arrived yet :-( On Jan 8, 2013 12:57 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: That’s the new UBNT Edge Router line. I was not aware that they have actually shipped to general public yet. ** ** UBNT is trying to get into the Router market as well. Time will tell. ** ** Steve Barnes General Manager PCS-WIN / RC-WiFi http://www.rcwifi.com/ ** ** *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] *On Behalf Of *~NGL~ *Sent:* Tuesday, January 08, 2013 1:43 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router ** ** Anyone have any experience with this router? NGL If you can read this Thank A Teacher. And if it's in English Thank A Soldier! ** ** ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
I have had excellent support from UBNT, but maybe I'm special. o.O - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 5:05:39 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router I was going to answer you guys...but you both boasted Ubiquiti support... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 6:04 PM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: Please backup your statement. They are based on Yvatta which is very stable. There is actually support for them - unlike MikroTik. Software does everything a MikroTik does - maybe more since you can load your own packages if you wish. I've seen no issues with the ERs in our network. On Jan 8, 2013, at 17:56, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I have no reason to buy them at all. They're going to be less reliable than Mikrotik (which is really really bad) and not be as good software wise. Where does this device fit? Their ad suggests it is to replace a Cisco. Ya right. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 5:33 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: That's an awfully bold statement. How come? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Christian Palecek christ...@cybernet1.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 4:30:22 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router I wouldn't touch one with a ten foot pole. Sent from my Verizon Wireless smartphone Jon Auer j...@tapodi.net wrote: Streakwave is supposedly shipping orders placed back when it was announced. Mine hasn't arrived yet :-( On Jan 8, 2013 12:57 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: That’s the new UBNT Edge Router line. I was not aware that they have actually shipped to general public yet. ** ** UBNT is trying to get into the Router market as well. Time will tell. ** ** Steve Barnes General Manager PCS-WIN / RC-WiFi http://www.rcwifi.com/ ** ** *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] *On Behalf Of *~NGL~ *Sent:* Tuesday, January 08, 2013 1:43 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router ** ** Anyone have any experience with this router? NGL If you can read this Thank A Teacher. And if it's in English Thank A Soldier! ** ** ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
I believe the source project has no or minimal MPLS support. Lack of MPLS is a deal killer for me, but I suspect they'll get it in there. If you think EdgeOS is missing something, ask for it. The things I've asked for (aside from MPLS), they've assured are present or are being developed. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Andrew Jones a...@jonesy.com.au To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 5:06:52 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router The software does not do everything that mikrotik's routerOS does. Where is the MPLS support, something that many people use on routerOS? On 09.01.2013 10:04, Matt Hoppes wrote: Please backup your statement. They are based on Yvatta which is very stable. There is actually support for them - unlike MikroTik. Software does everything a MikroTik does - maybe more since you can load your own packages if you wish. I've seen no issues with the ERs in our network. On Jan 8, 2013, at 17:56, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I have no reason to buy them at all. They're going to be less reliable than Mikrotik (which is really really bad) and not be as good software wise. Where does this device fit? Their ad suggests it is to replace a Cisco. Ya right. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 5:33 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: That's an awfully bold statement. How come? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [1] - Original Message - From: Christian Palecek christ...@cybernet1.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 4:30:22 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router I wouldn't touch one with a ten foot pole. Sent from my Verizon Wireless smartphone Jon Auer j...@tapodi.net wrote: Streakwave is supposedly shipping orders placed back when it was announced. Mine hasn't arrived yet :-( On Jan 8, 2013 12:57 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: That’s the new UBNT Edge Router line. I was not aware that they have actually shipped to general public yet. ** ** UBNT is trying to get into the Router market as well. Time will tell. ** ** Steve Barnes General Manager PCS-WIN / RC-WiFi http://www.rcwifi.com/ [2] ** ** *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *~NGL~ *Sent:* Tuesday, January 08, 2013 1:43 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router ** ** Anyone have any experience with this router? NGL If you can read this Thank A Teacher. And if it's in English Thank A Soldier! ** ** ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless [3] ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless [3] ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless [3] ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless [3] ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless [3] Links: -- [1] http://www.ics-il.com [2] http://www.rcwifi.com/ [3] http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
Many are running MPLS just fine on Mikrotik. One could also counter if you want a quality wireless network, why don't you use Canopy or WiMAX\LTE? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Cc: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 5:11:45 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router You are correct. No MPLS yet. But that is being worked on I'm sure. On the other hand - if you really need MPLS shouldn't you be running a Cisco or a Juniper? On Jan 8, 2013, at 18:06, Andrew Jones a...@jonesy.com.au wrote: The software does not do everything that mikrotik's routerOS does. Where is the MPLS support, something that many people use on routerOS? On 09.01.2013 10:04, Matt Hoppes wrote: Please backup your statement. They are based on Yvatta which is very stable. There is actually support for them - unlike MikroTik. Software does everything a MikroTik does - maybe more since you can load your own packages if you wish. I've seen no issues with the ERs in our network. On Jan 8, 2013, at 17:56, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I have no reason to buy them at all. They're going to be less reliable than Mikrotik (which is really really bad) and not be as good software wise. Where does this device fit? Their ad suggests it is to replace a Cisco. Ya right. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 5:33 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: That's an awfully bold statement. How come? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com [1] - Original Message - From: Christian Palecek christ...@cybernet1.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 4:30:22 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router I wouldn't touch one with a ten foot pole. Sent from my Verizon Wireless smartphone Jon Auer j...@tapodi.net wrote: Streakwave is supposedly shipping orders placed back when it was announced. Mine hasn't arrived yet :-( On Jan 8, 2013 12:57 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: That’s the new UBNT Edge Router line. I was not aware that they have actually shipped to general public yet. ** ** UBNT is trying to get into the Router market as well. Time will tell. ** ** Steve Barnes General Manager PCS-WIN / RC-WiFi http://www.rcwifi.com/ [2] ** ** *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *~NGL~ *Sent:* Tuesday, January 08, 2013 1:43 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router ** ** Anyone have any experience with this router? NGL If you can read this Thank A Teacher. And if it's in English Thank A Soldier! ** ** ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless [3] ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless [3] ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless [3] ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless [3] ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless [3] Links: -- [1] http://www.ics-il.com [2] http://www.rcwifi.com/ [3] http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
I've been using both MT and UBNT for many many years and I plan to use them both for many years. MT support has been almost completely absent, while UBNT typically answers fairly quickly. That said, usually when I notice a problem with my MT product, it's already been fixed in a newer release. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Christian Palecek christ...@cybernet1.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 5:24:07 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router I'm sure you'll be making good use of that support. Sent from my Verizon Wireless smartphone Christian Palecek christ...@cybernet1.com wrote: I wouldn't touch one with a ten foot pole. Sent from my Verizon Wireless smartphone Jon Auer j...@tapodi.net wrote: Streakwave is supposedly shipping orders placed back when it was announced. Mine hasn't arrived yet :-( On Jan 8, 2013 12:57 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: That’s the new UBNT Edge Router line. I was not aware that they have actually shipped to general public yet. ** ** UBNT is trying to get into the Router market as well. Time will tell. ** ** Steve Barnes General Manager PCS-WIN / RC-WiFi http://www.rcwifi.com/ ** ** *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *~NGL~ *Sent:* Tuesday, January 08, 2013 1:43 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router ** ** Anyone have any experience with this router? NGL If you can read this Thank A Teacher. And if it's in English Thank A Soldier! ** ** ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
Build a Win ME machine. Put it on some batteries in the corner. Get your 9 mo uptime. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 8, 2013 8:56 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: Do you have anything to base that on? I have both MT and UBNT devices that have been up without missing a beat since they last had firmware upgraded 9+ months ago. Now I know UBNT will have big shoes to fill if they plan on unseating Mikrotik, but give them a couple years and I think they'll be alright. I likely won't use the first generation in production. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 4:56:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router I have no reason to buy them at all. They're going to be less reliable than Mikrotik (which is really really bad) and not be as good software wise. Where does this device fit? Their ad suggests it is to replace a Cisco. Ya right. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 5:33 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: That's an awfully bold statement. How come? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Christian Palecek christ...@cybernet1.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 4:30:22 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router I wouldn't touch one with a ten foot pole. Sent from my Verizon Wireless smartphone Jon Auer j...@tapodi.net wrote: Streakwave is supposedly shipping orders placed back when it was announced. Mine hasn't arrived yet :-( On Jan 8, 2013 12:57 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: That’s the new UBNT Edge Router line. I was not aware that they have actually shipped to general public yet. ** ** UBNT is trying to get into the Router market as well. Time will tell. ** ** Steve Barnes General Manager PCS-WIN / RC-WiFi http://www.rcwifi.com/ ** ** *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *~NGL~ *Sent:* Tuesday, January 08, 2013 1:43 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router ** ** Anyone have any experience with this router? NGL If you can read this Thank A Teacher. And if it's in English Thank A Soldier! ** ** ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
Oh it's not just your perception. When MikroTik folks come to the ubiquiti forums for support with MikroTik questions you know there is a problem. On Jan 8, 2013, at 19:35, Jon Auer j...@tapodi.net wrote: Having not touched one yet but knowing the hardware and software platform, I'd be willing to bet that where features are comparable the Quagga on Cavium setup in the edgemax will be more reliable and just as fast as anything Mikrotik can produce. That's based on the track record of the EdgeMax team at their previous employers, what I've seen of their development approach, and their openness to customers. Between hardware issues, ROS 5.x being fairly unstable, and the (maybe my perception) arrogance of their staff on forums and lack of customer service I think Ubiquiti will have to work hard to be worse. I still like Mikrotik for SoHo managed services customers but not in the provider network. If you don't need the integrated VoIP, DMVPN, or other funky features I think the ERLite-3 is a good match for replacing Cisco ISR boxes at customers. Older ISRs just don't have the throughput for dedicated link / fiber customers. On Jan 8, 2013, at 4:56 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I have no reason to buy them at all. They're going to be less reliable than Mikrotik (which is really really bad) and not be as good software wise. Where does this device fit? Their ad suggests it is to replace a Cisco. Ya right. On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 5:33 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: That's an awfully bold statement. How come? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Christian Palecek christ...@cybernet1.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 4:30:22 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router I wouldn't touch one with a ten foot pole. Sent from my Verizon Wireless smartphone Jon Auer j...@tapodi.net wrote: Streakwave is supposedly shipping orders placed back when it was announced. Mine hasn't arrived yet :-( On Jan 8, 2013 12:57 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: That’s the new UBNT Edge Router line. I was not aware that they have actually shipped to general public yet. ** ** UBNT is trying to get into the Router market as well. Time will tell. ** ** Steve Barnes General Manager PCS-WIN / RC-WiFi http://www.rcwifi.com/ ** ** *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *~NGL~ *Sent:* Tuesday, January 08, 2013 1:43 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router ** ** Anyone have any experience with this router? NGL If you can read this Thank A Teacher. And if it's in English Thank A Soldier! ** ** ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
Mikrotik had their MPLS implementation before the open source projects were out (or had features available before them), so it is widely believed that they developed it themselves. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 5:46:44 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router On 1/8/2013 6:23 PM, Andrew Jones wrote: I'm not so sure that MPLS support is being worked on. There is certainly no commitment to it from Ubiquiti's forum reps and based on the fact that there is no actively-maintained, feature-complete, freely-available MPLS implementation for Linux, I'm not holding my breath. Why should I only run MPLS on a Cisco or Juniper device? There are many people happily running MPLS on routerOS, including VPLS which is not available on Cisco devices until you start to get into the very expensive end of town. For the moment, if you're doing enterprise managed services (the highest profit end of the ISP business, though a stretch for most WISPs), MPLS is the only game in town. You do it on a router that has it, or on a switch that has it. Enterprises use their own IP space (usually 10.x) and thus service providers have to stay at a lower layer. And you can't really do VoIP decently (full quality) without some kind of QoS-enabled shim below IP. If you're outside of the scope of a Carrier Ethernet VC, then you probably are using MPLS. There is MPLS for Linux, which presumably is what RouterOS uses, since they don't make their own sources available and they'd probably have to if they wrote it So I'm surprised that Vyatta hasn't bothered with it. Cisco is way too expensive. RouterOS boxes on big Intel iron are more capable, though RouterOS can be a bid dodgey at times (as can a lot of other systems). On 09.01.2013 10:11, Matt Hoppes wrote: You are correct. No MPLS yet. But that is being worked on I'm sure. On the other hand - if you really need MPLS shouldn't you be running a Cisco or a Juniper? On Jan 8, 2013, at 18:06, Andrew Jones a...@jonesy.com.au wrote: The software does not do everything that mikrotik's routerOS does. Where is the MPLS support, something that many people use on routerOS? -- Fred R. Goldstein fred at interisle.net Interisle Consulting Group +1 617 795 2701 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
Bug? There is no bug. You're just using it wrong. VLANs aren't acceptable in a large network and are much more difficult to manage. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Cc: wireless@wispa.org wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 6:02:18 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router What about VLANing that traffic? As fat as the ER. If enough people want MPLS they will add it. You can't say the same for MikroTik with their egotistic mentality. Have you ever tried to convince them there is a bug? On Jan 8, 2013, at 18:46, Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com wrote: On 1/8/2013 6:23 PM, Andrew Jones wrote: I'm not so sure that MPLS support is being worked on. There is certainly no commitment to it from Ubiquiti's forum reps and based on the fact that there is no actively-maintained, feature-complete, freely-available MPLS implementation for Linux, I'm not holding my breath. Why should I only run MPLS on a Cisco or Juniper device? There are many people happily running MPLS on routerOS, including VPLS which is not available on Cisco devices until you start to get into the very expensive end of town. For the moment, if you're doing enterprise managed services (the highest profit end of the ISP business, though a stretch for most WISPs), MPLS is the only game in town. You do it on a router that has it, or on a switch that has it. Enterprises use their own IP space (usually 10.x) and thus service providers have to stay at a lower layer. And you can't really do VoIP decently (full quality) without some kind of QoS-enabled shim below IP. If you're outside of the scope of a Carrier Ethernet VC, then you probably are using MPLS. There is MPLS for Linux, which presumably is what RouterOS uses, since they don't make their own sources available and they'd probably have to if they wrote it So I'm surprised that Vyatta hasn't bothered with it. Cisco is way too expensive. RouterOS boxes on big Intel iron are more capable, though RouterOS can be a bid dodgey at times (as can a lot of other systems). On 09.01.2013 10:11, Matt Hoppes wrote: You are correct. No MPLS yet. But that is being worked on I'm sure. On the other hand - if you really need MPLS shouldn't you be running a Cisco or a Juniper? On Jan 8, 2013, at 18:06, Andrew Jones a...@jonesy.com.au wrote: The software does not do everything that mikrotik's routerOS does. Where is the MPLS support, something that many people use on routerOS? -- Fred R. Goldstein fred at interisle.net Interisle Consulting Group +1 617 795 2701 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
They either developed it in-house or licensed a 3rd party MPLS product. ImageStream worked on and off for years trying to fill in the massive holes of the open source version. Made progress, but never enough to release. I don't think anyone has all 47 or so RFCs covered in a Linux implantation. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 8, 2013, at 9:06 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: Mikrotik had their MPLS implementation before the open source projects were out (or had features available before them), so it is widely believed that they developed it themselves. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 5:46:44 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router On 1/8/2013 6:23 PM, Andrew Jones wrote: I'm not so sure that MPLS support is being worked on. There is certainly no commitment to it from Ubiquiti's forum reps and based on the fact that there is no actively-maintained, feature-complete, freely-available MPLS implementation for Linux, I'm not holding my breath. Why should I only run MPLS on a Cisco or Juniper device? There are many people happily running MPLS on routerOS, including VPLS which is not available on Cisco devices until you start to get into the very expensive end of town. For the moment, if you're doing enterprise managed services (the highest profit end of the ISP business, though a stretch for most WISPs), MPLS is the only game in town. You do it on a router that has it, or on a switch that has it. Enterprises use their own IP space (usually 10.x) and thus service providers have to stay at a lower layer. And you can't really do VoIP decently (full quality) without some kind of QoS-enabled shim below IP. If you're outside of the scope of a Carrier Ethernet VC, then you probably are using MPLS. There is MPLS for Linux, which presumably is what RouterOS uses, since they don't make their own sources available and they'd probably have to if they wrote it So I'm surprised that Vyatta hasn't bothered with it. Cisco is way too expensive. RouterOS boxes on big Intel iron are more capable, though RouterOS can be a bid dodgey at times (as can a lot of other systems). On 09.01.2013 10:11, Matt Hoppes wrote: You are correct. No MPLS yet. But that is being worked on I'm sure. On the other hand - if you really need MPLS shouldn't you be running a Cisco or a Juniper? On Jan 8, 2013, at 18:06, Andrew Jones a...@jonesy.com.au wrote: The software does not do everything that mikrotik's routerOS does. Where is the MPLS support, something that many people use on routerOS? -- Fred R. Goldstein fred at interisle.net Interisle Consulting Group +1 617 795 2701 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 11:59 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: I believe the source project has no or minimal MPLS support. Lack of MPLS is a deal killer for me, but I suspect they'll get it in there. There are some reasons to use Router OS MPLS 1) Main reason is VPLS, either for private network customers or PPPoE aggregation. 2) Then comes accelerated packet processing, which MT will now do for IP packets with the FastPath feature 3) The comes look, my network runs MPLS, the protocol of the big carriers What Ubiquiti could do, fast, is to provide both PWE3 and GRE capabilities, layer 2 and layer 3 tunneling. There is no need of MPLS to provide such services in a scenario the routers have good packets per second capabilities, like the Ubiquiti routers do. The MPLS capabilities of high-end routers linked to QoS and fast recovery are not there in Router OS, and I don't see Ubiquiti going after the service provider market Juniper leads and Cisco is a close follower. If UBNT wants to kick Mikrotik, tunneling and aggregation features (DHCP, RADIUS auth, Hotspot, PPPoE) are the ones to have. MPLS or not MPLS is not the point. Rubens ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
Wow, josh. Why are you so bitter towards these things? Many of us have had them in heavy production without issue for months. Sent from my iPad On Jan 8, 2013, at 21:05, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Build a Win ME machine. Put it on some batteries in the corner. Get your 9 mo uptime. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 8, 2013 8:56 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: Do you have anything to base that on? I have both MT and UBNT devices that have been up without missing a beat since they last had firmware upgraded 9+ months ago. Now I know UBNT will have big shoes to fill if they plan on unseating Mikrotik, but give them a couple years and I think they'll be alright. I likely won't use the first generation in production. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 4:56:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router I have no reason to buy them at all. They're going to be less reliable than Mikrotik (which is really really bad) and not be as good software wise. Where does this device fit? Their ad suggests it is to replace a Cisco. Ya right. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 5:33 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: That's an awfully bold statement. How come? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Christian Palecek christ...@cybernet1.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 4:30:22 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router I wouldn't touch one with a ten foot pole. Sent from my Verizon Wireless smartphone Jon Auer j...@tapodi.net wrote: Streakwave is supposedly shipping orders placed back when it was announced. Mine hasn't arrived yet :-( On Jan 8, 2013 12:57 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: That’s the new UBNT Edge Router line. I was not aware that they have actually shipped to general public yet. ** ** UBNT is trying to get into the Router market as well. Time will tell. ** ** Steve Barnes General Manager PCS-WIN / RC-WiFi http://www.rcwifi.com/ ** ** *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] *On Behalf Of *~NGL~ *Sent:* Tuesday, January 08, 2013 1:43 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router ** ** Anyone have any experience with this router? NGL If you can read this Thank A Teacher. And if it's in English Thank A Soldier! ** ** ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
I'm not bitter, I just don't see their advantage. You can't honestly expect support to exceed that of Mikrotik. Features are better in Mikrotik. Price doesn't have a huge gap between them. Not exactly sure how you've had them running for months when they haven't even started shipping. Unless you got a beta unit or something, which is probably not the same product that you'd buy from a distributor. Simple question: What does the Ubiquiti router have over my Mikrotik? Now what's the answer... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 10:01 PM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.comwrote: Wow, josh. Why are you so bitter towards these things? Many of us have had them in heavy production without issue for months. Sent from my iPad On Jan 8, 2013, at 21:05, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Build a Win ME machine. Put it on some batteries in the corner. Get your 9 mo uptime. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 8, 2013 8:56 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: Do you have anything to base that on? I have both MT and UBNT devices that have been up without missing a beat since they last had firmware upgraded 9+ months ago. Now I know UBNT will have big shoes to fill if they plan on unseating Mikrotik, but give them a couple years and I think they'll be alright. I likely won't use the first generation in production. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 4:56:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router I have no reason to buy them at all. They're going to be less reliable than Mikrotik (which is really really bad) and not be as good software wise. Where does this device fit? Their ad suggests it is to replace a Cisco. Ya right. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 5:33 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: That's an awfully bold statement. How come? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Christian Palecek christ...@cybernet1.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 4:30:22 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router I wouldn't touch one with a ten foot pole. Sent from my Verizon Wireless smartphone Jon Auer j...@tapodi.net wrote: Streakwave is supposedly shipping orders placed back when it was announced. Mine hasn't arrived yet :-( On Jan 8, 2013 12:57 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: That’s the new UBNT Edge Router line. I was not aware that they have actually shipped to general public yet. ** ** UBNT is trying to get into the Router market as well. Time will tell. ** ** Steve Barnes General Manager PCS-WIN / RC-WiFi http://www.rcwifi.com/ ** ** *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *~NGL~ *Sent:* Tuesday, January 08, 2013 1:43 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router ** ** Anyone have any experience with this router? NGL If you can read this Thank A Teacher. And if it's in English Thank A Soldier! ** ** ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router
I'd like to know as well. We have been using MT since 2.3. Been using UBNT since the SR2 came out.. Each has their place. -- On 1/8/2013 10:35 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: I'm not bitter, I just don't see their advantage. You can't honestly expect support to exceed that of Mikrotik. Features are better in Mikrotik. Price doesn't have a huge gap between them. Not exactly sure how you've had them running for months when they haven't even started shipping. Unless you got a beta unit or something, which is probably not the same product that you'd buy from a distributor. Simple question: What does the Ubiquiti router have over my Mikrotik? Now what's the answer... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 10:01 PM, Matt Hoppes mhop...@indigowireless.com wrote: Wow, josh. Why are you so bitter towards these things? Many of us have had them in heavy production without issue for months. Sent from my iPad On Jan 8, 2013, at 21:05, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Build a Win ME machine. Put it on some batteries in the corner. Get your 9 mo uptime. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Jan 8, 2013 8:56 PM, "Mike Hammett" wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: Do you have anything to base that on? I have both MT and UBNT devices that have been up without missing a beat since they last had firmware upgraded 9+ months ago. Now I know UBNT will have big shoes to fill if they plan on unseating Mikrotik, but give them a couple years and I think they'll be alright. I likely won't use the first generation in production. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Josh Luthman" j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: "WISPA General List" wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 4:56:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ubiquiti ERLite-3 3-port Router I have no reason to buy them at all. They're going to be less reliable than Mikrotik (which is really really bad) and not be as good software wise. Where does this device fit? Their ad suggests it is to replace a Cisco. Ya right. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 5:33 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: That's an awfully bold statement. How come? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
