[WISPA] Rocket-Lite AC

[Sam]

Hi Everyone,

I submitted a query to the stock locator for this but thought I'd ask in 
the meantime if any of you know of a source that has some Rocket-Lite AC 
units for sale.

Much Thanks!
Sam
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Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)

[Josh Reynolds]

And GLONASS works better than GPS in higher northern latitudes (aka: 
Alaska) :P


Josh Reynolds, Chief Information Officer
SPITwSPOTS, www.spitwspots.com 

On 08/08/2014 06:12 AM, Jaime Fink wrote:
GPS and GLONASS receiver are hard integrated in every product, the 
addition of the 2nd satellite network significantly increases 
reception, and the receiver is strategically places at the top of the 
enclosure for clearest reception.


The implementation is integrated with an advanced custom GPSDO for 
1PPS high precision, and radio groups A/B across the network of Mimosa 
radios switch TX/RX  on the GPS epoch rise and fall.


TDMA sync modes allow 50/50 split or 75/25 split for enhanced 
downstream, and window size adjustability from 2-8ms to optimize speed 
versus latency choices.


For non sync modes, auto TDMA adjusts up/down dynamically and avoids 
fixing the bandwidth.


Cheers,

Jaime

On Aug 8, 2014, at 7:02 AM, "Kurt Fankhauser" > wrote:


How does Mimosa get GPS Sync? Does it have a GPS receiver built into 
every radio or is there an external source?



Kurt Fankhauser

Wavelinc Communications

P.O. Box 126

Bucyrus, OH 44820

http://www.wavelinc.com 

tel. 419-562-6405

fax. 419-617-0110



On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 2:19 PM, Matt Hoppes 
mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com>> wrote:


I totally understand, Steve.

What I'm saying is now you have folks throwing up 5GHz 40MHz
backhauls ew.  I guess we'll say.  It's nice the options
are out
there, but I wish they could be saved for use in the hands of
WISPs only.


On 8/6/14, 2:17 PM, Steve Barnes wrote:
> Matt, nausea can be fixed with realism. I have used nothing but
5GHz backhauls for 8 years. Only in the last 2 years have we gone
to any 5 GHz Client other than business.  I have 15 towers and
each has at least 2 paths in and out for redundancy.  So that is
35+ Links.  Most are 5 miles or more so not an AF24 candidate in
my rain zone.  I can't afford to just go out and buy $175,000
worth of licensed backhauls.  But for the price of one Licensed
link I can buy 2.5- 5GHz links (AF5, Mimosa, or whoever)  saving
me $100,000 when all is said and done.
>
> Would I prefer to do all licensed and save all the 5GHz for
Customer?  Heck Yes!!  But that is not the reality I live in.
>
> Steve Barnes
> General Manager
> PCSWIN.com 
> Howard LLC.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org

[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
> Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2014 2:03 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)
>
> I guess... all this backhauling in 5GHz is just making me nauseous.
>
>
>
> On 8/6/14, 1:48 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>> Higher one way throughput.
>> More channels to choose from.
>> DFS hit doesn't take your link down.
>> External antennas.
>> Once you add in those external antennas, there are a ton of things
>> that vary like X-pol and F/B.
>> Lower power consumption.
>> Standard PoE.
>> Etc.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>>
>
omputingSolutionsDeKalb>> computing-solutions>
>>
>>
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>> --
>> *From: *"Matt Hoppes" mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com>>
>> *To: *"WISPA General List" mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
>> *Sent: *Wednesday, August 6, 2014 12:40:36 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)
>>
>> THanks Josh!
>> I'm not sure this puts the Mimosa device in a positive spot light?
>>
>> H/V instead of cross-slant antennas.
>> Pretty bad F/B compared to the airFiber.
>> And latency is higher than an airFiber
>>
>> What's the "amazing" thing about this new device?
>>
>> On 8/5/14, 6:16 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>>>
>>
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gurmZ2nJru0e87DZuGxfipTB326NiP
>> OTkLXNIXBDfdc/edit?usp=sharing
>>>
>>> submit comments for approval / additions please
>>>
>>> I'm waiting back on UBNT to help further fill in the chart,
and some
>>> of it I'm lazy on.
>>>
>>> TODO: For sure, add bandwidth / distance / modulation / signal /
>>> channel width table
>>>
>>> Also, would like to hear Mimosa's PPS count, and see any
results of
>>> an
>>> RFC2544 test (which normally eats most wirel

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Steve Barnes
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Howard LLC.

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Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)

[Josh Luthman]

Oh I understand.  Look at Nissan.com

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Aug 8, 2014 11:04 AM, "Rubens Kuhl"  wrote:

>
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 11:23 AM, Josh Luthman  > wrote:
>
>> Off topic, are you guys based in Columbia?
>>
>>
>> .co, .me, .tv, .io, .tk and a few other country-code TLDs adopted a
> generic way of selling, so only a few .co domains are from people from
> Colombia. It only shows that they preferred to invest in product design
> instead of buying the domain from the company that once used mimosa.com.
>
> Rubens
>
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Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)

[Rubens Kuhl]

On Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 11:23 AM, Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> Off topic, are you guys based in Columbia?
>
>
> .co, .me, .tv, .io, .tk and a few other country-code TLDs adopted a
generic way of selling, so only a few .co domains are from people from
Colombia. It only shows that they preferred to invest in product design
instead of buying the domain from the company that once used mimosa.com.

Rubens
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Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)

[Jaime Fink]

Shockingly no. An individual that loves his domain and not a fan of capitalism!

Besides, it's just not worth it anymore with google. We pretty much own SEO on 
Mimosa over all those champagne and orange juice sites ;)

On Aug 8, 2014, at 7:44 AM, "Josh Luthman" 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>> wrote:

For the right price, I imagine =P


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 10:42 AM, Jaime Fink 
mailto:ja...@mimosa.co>> wrote:
Ha ha. You meant us. No, the guy that owns .com wasn't willing to sell it.

We're in Campbell in Silicon Valley.

On Aug 8, 2014, at 7:26 AM, "Mike Hammett" 
mailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net>> wrote:

Colombia?

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1766737.1398290195!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/gallery_1200/sofia-vergara-1998.jpg



-
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From: "Josh Luthman" 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
To: "WISPA General List" mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
Sent: Friday, August 8, 2014 9:23:29 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)


Off topic, are you guys based in Columbia?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Aug 8, 2014 10:19 AM, "Jaime Fink" mailto:ja...@mimosa.co>> 
wrote:
Different sync settings need to be on a different channel set to avoid 
interference.

But that does not limit the use of differing configurations beyond a single 
group.

> On Aug 8, 2014, at 7:14 AM, "Matt Hoppes" 
> mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com>> wrote:
>
> How does sync work if I have a 50/50 and a 75/25 radio on the same tower?
>
>
> Matt Hoppes
> Director of Information Technology
> Indigo Wireless
> +1 (570) 723-7312
>
>> On 8/8/14, 10:12 AM, Jaime Fink wrote:
>> GPS and GLONASS receiver are hard integrated in every product, the
>> addition of the 2nd satellite network significantly increases reception,
>> and the receiver is strategically places at the top of the enclosure for
>> clearest reception.
>>
>> The implementation is integrated with an advanced custom GPSDO for 1PPS
>> high precision, and radio groups A/B across the network of Mimosa radios
>> switch TX/RX  on the GPS epoch rise and fall.
>>
>> TDMA sync modes allow 50/50 split or 75/25 split for enhanced
>> downstream, and window size adjustability from 2-8ms to optimize speed
>> versus latency choices.
>>
>> For non sync modes, auto TDMA adjusts up/down dynamically and avoids
>> fixing the bandwidth.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Jaime
>>
>> On Aug 8, 2014, at 7:02 AM, "Kurt Fankhauser" 
>> mailto:li...@wavelinc.com>
>> >> wrote:
>>
>>> How does Mimosa get GPS Sync? Does it have a GPS receiver built into
>>> every radio or is there an external source?
>>>
>>>
>>> Kurt Fankhauser
>>>
>>> Wavelinc Communications
>>>
>>> P.O. Box 126
>>>
>>> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>>>
>>> http://www.wavelinc.com 
>>>
>>> tel. 419-562-6405
>>>
>>> fax. 419-617-0110
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 2:19 PM, Matt Hoppes
>>> mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com> 
>>> >> 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>I totally understand, Steve.
>>>
>>>What I'm saying is now you have folks throwing up 5GHz 40MHz
>>>backhauls ew.  I guess we'll say.  It's nice the options
>>>are out
>>>there, but I wish they could be saved for use in the hands of
>>>WISPs only.
>>>
>>>
On 8/6/14, 2:17 PM, Steve Barnes wrote:
 Matt, nausea can be fixed with realism. I have used nothing but
>>>5GHz backhauls for 8 years. Only in the last 2 years have we gone
>>>to any 5 GHz Client other than business.  I have 15 towers and
>>>each has at least 2 paths in and out for redundancy.  So that is
>>>35+ Links.  Most are 5 miles or more so not an AF24 candidate in
>>>my rain zone.  I can't afford to just go out and buy $175,000
>>>worth of licensed backhauls.  But for the price of one Licensed
>>>link I can buy 2.5- 5GHz links (AF5, Mimosa, or whoever)  saving
>>>me $100,000 when all is said and done.

 Would I prefer to do all licensed and save all the 5GHz for
>>>Customer?  Heck Yes!!  But that is not the reality I live in.

 Steve Barnes
 General Manager
 PCSWIN.com 
 Howard LLC.

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org

Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)

[Gino Villarini]

Colombia + Champagne + Orange Juice = Nice!!!



Gino A. Villarini
President
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
www.aeronetpr.com
@aeronetpr



From: Josh Luthman 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
Reply-To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
Date: Friday, August 8, 2014 at 10:37 AM
To: WISPA General List mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)


Their domain is .co which is the country TLD for Columbia.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Aug 8, 2014 10:26 AM, "Mike Hammett" 
mailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net>> wrote:
Colombia?

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1766737.1398290195!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/gallery_1200/sofia-vergara-1998.jpg



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From: "Josh Luthman" 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
To: "WISPA General List" mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
Sent: Friday, August 8, 2014 9:23:29 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)


Off topic, are you guys based in Columbia?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Aug 8, 2014 10:19 AM, "Jaime Fink" mailto:ja...@mimosa.co>> 
wrote:
Different sync settings need to be on a different channel set to avoid 
interference.

But that does not limit the use of differing configurations beyond a single 
group.

> On Aug 8, 2014, at 7:14 AM, "Matt Hoppes" 
> mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com>> wrote:
>
> How does sync work if I have a 50/50 and a 75/25 radio on the same tower?
>
>
> Matt Hoppes
> Director of Information Technology
> Indigo Wireless
> +1 (570) 723-7312
>
>> On 8/8/14, 10:12 AM, Jaime Fink wrote:
>> GPS and GLONASS receiver are hard integrated in every product, the
>> addition of the 2nd satellite network significantly increases reception,
>> and the receiver is strategically places at the top of the enclosure for
>> clearest reception.
>>
>> The implementation is integrated with an advanced custom GPSDO for 1PPS
>> high precision, and radio groups A/B across the network of Mimosa radios
>> switch TX/RX  on the GPS epoch rise and fall.
>>
>> TDMA sync modes allow 50/50 split or 75/25 split for enhanced
>> downstream, and window size adjustability from 2-8ms to optimize speed
>> versus latency choices.
>>
>> For non sync modes, auto TDMA adjusts up/down dynamically and avoids
>> fixing the bandwidth.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Jaime
>>
>> On Aug 8, 2014, at 7:02 AM, "Kurt Fankhauser" 
>> mailto:li...@wavelinc.com>
>> >> wrote:
>>
>>> How does Mimosa get GPS Sync? Does it have a GPS receiver built into
>>> every radio or is there an external source?
>>>
>>>
>>> Kurt Fankhauser
>>>
>>> Wavelinc Communications
>>>
>>> P.O. Box 126
>>>
>>> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>>>
>>> http://www.wavelinc.com 
>>>
>>> tel. 419-562-6405
>>>
>>> fax. 419-617-0110
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 2:19 PM, Matt Hoppes
>>> mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com> 
>>> >> 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>I totally understand, Steve.
>>>
>>>What I'm saying is now you have folks throwing up 5GHz 40MHz
>>>backhauls ew.  I guess we'll say.  It's nice the options
>>>are out
>>>there, but I wish they could be saved for use in the hands of
>>>WISPs only.
>>>
>>>
On 8/6/14, 2:17 PM, Steve Barnes wrote:
 Matt, nausea can be fixed with realism. I have used nothing but
>>>5GHz backhauls for 8 years. Only in the last 2 years have we gone
>>>to any 5 GHz Client other than business.  I have 15 towers and
>>>each has at least 2 paths in and out for redundancy.  So that is
>>>35+ Links.  Most are 5 miles or more so not an AF24 candidate in
>>>my rain zone.  I can't afford to just go out and buy $175,000
>>>worth of licensed backhauls.  But for the price of one Licensed
>>>link I can buy 2.5- 5GHz links (AF5, Mimosa, or whoever)  saving
>>>me $100,000 when all is said and done.

 Would I prefer to do all licensed and save all the 5GHz for
>>>Customer?  Heck Yes!!  But that is not the reality I live in.

 Steve Barnes
 General Manager
 PCSWIN.com 
 Howard LLC.

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
>>>>
>>>

Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)

[Josh Luthman]

For the right price, I imagine =P


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 10:42 AM, Jaime Fink  wrote:

>  Ha ha. You meant us. No, the guy that owns .com wasn't willing to sell
> it.
>
>  We're in Campbell in Silicon Valley.
>
> On Aug 8, 2014, at 7:26 AM, "Mike Hammett" 
> wrote:
>
>   Colombia?
>
>
> http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1766737.1398290195!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/gallery_1200/sofia-vergara-1998.jpg
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>  
> 
> 
> 
>
>  --
>  *From: *"Josh Luthman" 
> *To: *"WISPA General List" 
> *Sent: *Friday, August 8, 2014 9:23:29 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)
>
> Off topic, are you guys based in Columbia?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Aug 8, 2014 10:19 AM, "Jaime Fink"  wrote:
>
>> Different sync settings need to be on a different channel set to avoid
>> interference.
>>
>> But that does not limit the use of differing configurations beyond a
>> single group.
>>
>> > On Aug 8, 2014, at 7:14 AM, "Matt Hoppes" 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > How does sync work if I have a 50/50 and a 75/25 radio on the same
>> tower?
>> >
>> >
>> > Matt Hoppes
>> > Director of Information Technology
>> > Indigo Wireless
>> > +1 (570) 723-7312
>> >
>> >> On 8/8/14, 10:12 AM, Jaime Fink wrote:
>> >> GPS and GLONASS receiver are hard integrated in every product, the
>> >> addition of the 2nd satellite network significantly increases
>> reception,
>> >> and the receiver is strategically places at the top of the enclosure
>> for
>> >> clearest reception.
>> >>
>> >> The implementation is integrated with an advanced custom GPSDO for 1PPS
>> >> high precision, and radio groups A/B across the network of Mimosa
>> radios
>> >> switch TX/RX  on the GPS epoch rise and fall.
>> >>
>> >> TDMA sync modes allow 50/50 split or 75/25 split for enhanced
>> >> downstream, and window size adjustability from 2-8ms to optimize speed
>> >> versus latency choices.
>> >>
>> >> For non sync modes, auto TDMA adjusts up/down dynamically and avoids
>> >> fixing the bandwidth.
>> >>
>> >> Cheers,
>> >>
>> >> Jaime
>> >>
>> >> On Aug 8, 2014, at 7:02 AM, "Kurt Fankhauser" > >> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> How does Mimosa get GPS Sync? Does it have a GPS receiver built into
>> >>> every radio or is there an external source?
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Kurt Fankhauser
>> >>>
>> >>> Wavelinc Communications
>> >>>
>> >>> P.O. Box 126
>> >>>
>> >>> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>> >>>
>> >>> http://www.wavelinc.com 
>> >>>
>> >>> tel. 419-562-6405
>> >>>
>> >>> fax. 419-617-0110
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 2:19 PM, Matt Hoppes
>> >>> mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com>>
>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>I totally understand, Steve.
>> >>>
>> >>>What I'm saying is now you have folks throwing up 5GHz 40MHz
>> >>>backhauls ew.  I guess we'll say.  It's nice the options
>> >>>are out
>> >>>there, but I wish they could be saved for use in the hands of
>> >>>WISPs only.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> On 8/6/14, 2:17 PM, Steve Barnes wrote:
>>  Matt, nausea can be fixed with realism. I have used nothing but
>> >>>5GHz backhauls for 8 years. Only in the last 2 years have we gone
>> >>>to any 5 GHz Client other than business.  I have 15 towers and
>> >>>each has at least 2 paths in and out for redundancy.  So that is
>> >>>35+ Links.  Most are 5 miles or more so not an AF24 candidate in
>> >>>my rain zone.  I can't afford to just go out and buy $175,000
>> >>>worth of licensed backhauls.  But for the price of one Licensed
>> >>>link I can buy 2.5- 5GHz links (AF5, Mimosa, or whoever)  saving
>> >>>me $100,000 when all is said and done.
>> 
>>  Would I prefer to do all licensed and save all the 5GHz for
>> >>>Customer?  Heck Yes!!  But that is not the reality I live in.
>> 
>>  Steve Barnes
>>  General Manager
>>  PCSWIN.com 
>>  Howard LLC.
>> 
>>  -Original Message-
>>  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
>> >>>
>> >>>[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
>> >>>] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
>>  Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2014 2:03 PM
>>  To: WISPA General List
>>  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)
>> 
>>  I guess... all this backhauling in 5GHz is just making me nauseous.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> > On 8/6/14, 1:48 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>> > Higher 

Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)

[Jaime Fink]

Ha ha. You meant us. No, the guy that owns .com wasn't willing to sell it.

We're in Campbell in Silicon Valley.

On Aug 8, 2014, at 7:26 AM, "Mike Hammett" 
mailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net>> wrote:

Colombia?

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From: "Josh Luthman" 
mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
To: "WISPA General List" mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
Sent: Friday, August 8, 2014 9:23:29 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)


Off topic, are you guys based in Columbia?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Aug 8, 2014 10:19 AM, "Jaime Fink" mailto:ja...@mimosa.co>> 
wrote:
Different sync settings need to be on a different channel set to avoid 
interference.

But that does not limit the use of differing configurations beyond a single 
group.

> On Aug 8, 2014, at 7:14 AM, "Matt Hoppes" 
> mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com>> wrote:
>
> How does sync work if I have a 50/50 and a 75/25 radio on the same tower?
>
>
> Matt Hoppes
> Director of Information Technology
> Indigo Wireless
> +1 (570) 723-7312
>
>> On 8/8/14, 10:12 AM, Jaime Fink wrote:
>> GPS and GLONASS receiver are hard integrated in every product, the
>> addition of the 2nd satellite network significantly increases reception,
>> and the receiver is strategically places at the top of the enclosure for
>> clearest reception.
>>
>> The implementation is integrated with an advanced custom GPSDO for 1PPS
>> high precision, and radio groups A/B across the network of Mimosa radios
>> switch TX/RX  on the GPS epoch rise and fall.
>>
>> TDMA sync modes allow 50/50 split or 75/25 split for enhanced
>> downstream, and window size adjustability from 2-8ms to optimize speed
>> versus latency choices.
>>
>> For non sync modes, auto TDMA adjusts up/down dynamically and avoids
>> fixing the bandwidth.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Jaime
>>
>> On Aug 8, 2014, at 7:02 AM, "Kurt Fankhauser" 
>> mailto:li...@wavelinc.com>
>> >> wrote:
>>
>>> How does Mimosa get GPS Sync? Does it have a GPS receiver built into
>>> every radio or is there an external source?
>>>
>>>
>>> Kurt Fankhauser
>>>
>>> Wavelinc Communications
>>>
>>> P.O. Box 126
>>>
>>> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>>>
>>> http://www.wavelinc.com 
>>>
>>> tel. 419-562-6405
>>>
>>> fax. 419-617-0110
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 2:19 PM, Matt Hoppes
>>> mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com> 
>>> >> 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>I totally understand, Steve.
>>>
>>>What I'm saying is now you have folks throwing up 5GHz 40MHz
>>>backhauls ew.  I guess we'll say.  It's nice the options
>>>are out
>>>there, but I wish they could be saved for use in the hands of
>>>WISPs only.
>>>
>>>
On 8/6/14, 2:17 PM, Steve Barnes wrote:
 Matt, nausea can be fixed with realism. I have used nothing but
>>>5GHz backhauls for 8 years. Only in the last 2 years have we gone
>>>to any 5 GHz Client other than business.  I have 15 towers and
>>>each has at least 2 paths in and out for redundancy.  So that is
>>>35+ Links.  Most are 5 miles or more so not an AF24 candidate in
>>>my rain zone.  I can't afford to just go out and buy $175,000
>>>worth of licensed backhauls.  But for the price of one Licensed
>>>link I can buy 2.5- 5GHz links (AF5, Mimosa, or whoever)  saving
>>>me $100,000 when all is said and done.

 Would I prefer to do all licensed and save all the 5GHz for
>>>Customer?  Heck Yes!!  But that is not the reality I live in.

 Steve Barnes
 General Manager
 PCSWIN.com 
 Howard LLC.

 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
>>>>
>>>[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
>>>>] 
>>> On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
 Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2014 2:03 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)

 I guess... all this backhauling in 5GHz is just making me nauseous.



> On 8/6/14, 1

Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)

[Mike Hammett]

Is bit.ly really based in Libya? 

It's just people being cute with CCLTDs 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



- Original Message -

From: "Josh Luthman"  
To: "WISPA General List"  
Sent: Friday, August 8, 2014 9:37:11 AM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working) 


Their domain is .co which is the country TLD for Columbia. 
Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 
On Aug 8, 2014 10:26 AM, "Mike Hammett" < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




Colombia? 

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1766737.1398290195!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/gallery_1200/sofia-vergara-1998.jpg
 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 





From: "Josh Luthman" < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > 
To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > 
Sent: Friday, August 8, 2014 9:23:29 AM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working) 


Off topic, are you guys based in Columbia? 
Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 
On Aug 8, 2014 10:19 AM, "Jaime Fink" < ja...@mimosa.co > wrote: 


Different sync settings need to be on a different channel set to avoid 
interference. 

But that does not limit the use of differing configurations beyond a single 
group. 

> On Aug 8, 2014, at 7:14 AM, "Matt Hoppes" < mhop...@indigowireless.com > 
> wrote: 
> 
> How does sync work if I have a 50/50 and a 75/25 radio on the same tower? 
> 
> 
> Matt Hoppes 
> Director of Information Technology 
> Indigo Wireless 
> +1 (570) 723-7312 
> 
>> On 8/8/14, 10:12 AM, Jaime Fink wrote: 
>> GPS and GLONASS receiver are hard integrated in every product, the 
>> addition of the 2nd satellite network significantly increases reception, 
>> and the receiver is strategically places at the top of the enclosure for 
>> clearest reception. 
>> 
>> The implementation is integrated with an advanced custom GPSDO for 1PPS 
>> high precision, and radio groups A/B across the network of Mimosa radios 
>> switch TX/RX on the GPS epoch rise and fall. 
>> 
>> TDMA sync modes allow 50/50 split or 75/25 split for enhanced 
>> downstream, and window size adjustability from 2-8ms to optimize speed 
>> versus latency choices. 
>> 
>> For non sync modes, auto TDMA adjusts up/down dynamically and avoids 
>> fixing the bandwidth. 
>> 
>> Cheers, 
>> 
>> Jaime 
>> 
>> On Aug 8, 2014, at 7:02 AM, "Kurt Fankhauser" < li...@wavelinc.com 
>> > wrote: 
>> 
>>> How does Mimosa get GPS Sync? Does it have a GPS receiver built into 
>>> every radio or is there an external source? 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Kurt Fankhauser 
>>> 
>>> Wavelinc Communications 
>>> 
>>> P.O. Box 126 
>>> 
>>> Bucyrus, OH 44820 
>>> 
>>> http://www.wavelinc.com < http://www.wavelinc.com/ > 
>>> 
>>> tel. 419-562-6405 
>>> 
>>> fax. 419-617-0110 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 2:19 PM, Matt Hoppes 
>>> < mhop...@indigowireless.com > wrote: 
>>> 
>>> I totally understand, Steve. 
>>> 
>>> What I'm saying is now you have folks throwing up 5GHz 40MHz 
>>> backhauls ew. I guess we'll say. It's nice the options 
>>> are out 
>>> there, but I wish they could be saved for use in the hands of 
>>> WISPs only. 
>>> 
>>> 
 On 8/6/14, 2:17 PM, Steve Barnes wrote: 
 Matt, nausea can be fixed with realism. I have used nothing but 
>>> 5GHz backhauls for 8 years. Only in the last 2 years have we gone 
>>> to any 5 GHz Client other than business. I have 15 towers and 
>>> each has at least 2 paths in and out for redundancy. So that is 
>>> 35+ Links. Most are 5 miles or more so not an AF24 candidate in 
>>> my rain zone. I can't afford to just go out and buy $175,000 
>>> worth of licensed backhauls. But for the price of one Licensed 
>>> link I can buy 2.5- 5GHz links (AF5, Mimosa, or whoever) saving 
>>> me $100,000 when all is said and done. 
 
 Would I prefer to do all licensed and save all the 5GHz for 
>>> Customer? Heck Yes!! But that is not the reality I live in. 
 
 Steve Barnes 
 General Manager 
 PCSWIN.com < http://PCSWIN.com > 
 Howard LLC. 
 
 -Original Message- 
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
>>>  
>>> [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
>>> ] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes 
 Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2014 2:03 PM 
 To: WISPA General List 
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working) 
 
 I guess... all this backhauling in 5GHz is just making me nauseous. 
 
 
 
> On 8/6/14, 1:48 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: 
> Higher one way throughput. 
> More channels to choose from. 
> DFS hit doesn't take your link down. 
> External antennas. 
> Once you add in those external antennas, there are a ton of things 
> that vary like X-pol and F/B. 
> Lower power consumption. 
> Standard PoE. 
> Etc. 
> 
>>

Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)

[Josh Luthman]

Their domain is .co which is the country TLD for Columbia.

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Aug 8, 2014 10:26 AM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:

> Colombia?
>
>
> http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1766737.1398290195!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/gallery_1200/sofia-vergara-1998.jpg
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> 
> 
> 
> 
>
> --
> *From: *"Josh Luthman" 
> *To: *"WISPA General List" 
> *Sent: *Friday, August 8, 2014 9:23:29 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)
>
> Off topic, are you guys based in Columbia?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Aug 8, 2014 10:19 AM, "Jaime Fink"  wrote:
>
>> Different sync settings need to be on a different channel set to avoid
>> interference.
>>
>> But that does not limit the use of differing configurations beyond a
>> single group.
>>
>> > On Aug 8, 2014, at 7:14 AM, "Matt Hoppes" 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > How does sync work if I have a 50/50 and a 75/25 radio on the same
>> tower?
>> >
>> >
>> > Matt Hoppes
>> > Director of Information Technology
>> > Indigo Wireless
>> > +1 (570) 723-7312
>> >
>> >> On 8/8/14, 10:12 AM, Jaime Fink wrote:
>> >> GPS and GLONASS receiver are hard integrated in every product, the
>> >> addition of the 2nd satellite network significantly increases
>> reception,
>> >> and the receiver is strategically places at the top of the enclosure
>> for
>> >> clearest reception.
>> >>
>> >> The implementation is integrated with an advanced custom GPSDO for 1PPS
>> >> high precision, and radio groups A/B across the network of Mimosa
>> radios
>> >> switch TX/RX  on the GPS epoch rise and fall.
>> >>
>> >> TDMA sync modes allow 50/50 split or 75/25 split for enhanced
>> >> downstream, and window size adjustability from 2-8ms to optimize speed
>> >> versus latency choices.
>> >>
>> >> For non sync modes, auto TDMA adjusts up/down dynamically and avoids
>> >> fixing the bandwidth.
>> >>
>> >> Cheers,
>> >>
>> >> Jaime
>> >>
>> >> On Aug 8, 2014, at 7:02 AM, "Kurt Fankhauser" > >> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> How does Mimosa get GPS Sync? Does it have a GPS receiver built into
>> >>> every radio or is there an external source?
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Kurt Fankhauser
>> >>>
>> >>> Wavelinc Communications
>> >>>
>> >>> P.O. Box 126
>> >>>
>> >>> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>> >>>
>> >>> http://www.wavelinc.com 
>> >>>
>> >>> tel. 419-562-6405
>> >>>
>> >>> fax. 419-617-0110
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 2:19 PM, Matt Hoppes
>> >>> mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com>>
>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>I totally understand, Steve.
>> >>>
>> >>>What I'm saying is now you have folks throwing up 5GHz 40MHz
>> >>>backhauls ew.  I guess we'll say.  It's nice the options
>> >>>are out
>> >>>there, but I wish they could be saved for use in the hands of
>> >>>WISPs only.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> On 8/6/14, 2:17 PM, Steve Barnes wrote:
>>  Matt, nausea can be fixed with realism. I have used nothing but
>> >>>5GHz backhauls for 8 years. Only in the last 2 years have we gone
>> >>>to any 5 GHz Client other than business.  I have 15 towers and
>> >>>each has at least 2 paths in and out for redundancy.  So that is
>> >>>35+ Links.  Most are 5 miles or more so not an AF24 candidate in
>> >>>my rain zone.  I can't afford to just go out and buy $175,000
>> >>>worth of licensed backhauls.  But for the price of one Licensed
>> >>>link I can buy 2.5- 5GHz links (AF5, Mimosa, or whoever)  saving
>> >>>me $100,000 when all is said and done.
>> 
>>  Would I prefer to do all licensed and save all the 5GHz for
>> >>>Customer?  Heck Yes!!  But that is not the reality I live in.
>> 
>>  Steve Barnes
>>  General Manager
>>  PCSWIN.com 
>>  Howard LLC.
>> 
>>  -Original Message-
>>  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
>> >>>
>> >>>[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
>> >>>] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
>>  Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2014 2:03 PM
>>  To: WISPA General List
>>  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)
>> 
>>  I guess... all this backhauling in 5GHz is just making me nauseous.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> > On 8/6/14, 1:48 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>> > Higher one way throughput.
>> > More channels to choose from.
>> > DFS hit doesn't take your link down.
>> > External antennas.
>> > Once you add in those exte

Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)

[Jaime Fink]

Correct.

You can expect the RF sync coordination tool from Mimosa before general release 
in our Cloud design tool to automate the coordination and performance planning.

On Aug 8, 2014, at 7:21 AM, "Mike Hammett" 
mailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net>> wrote:

It syncs those systems within systems of the same parameters. Changing the 
parameters requires more traditional RF planning. Same thing on Canopy, WiMax, 
etc., etc.



-
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Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

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From: "Matt Hoppes" 
mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com>>
To: "WISPA General List" mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
Sent: Friday, August 8, 2014 9:13:54 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)

How does sync work if I have a 50/50 and a 75/25 radio on the same tower?


Matt Hoppes
Director of Information Technology
Indigo Wireless
+1 (570) 723-7312

On 8/8/14, 10:12 AM, Jaime Fink wrote:
> GPS and GLONASS receiver are hard integrated in every product, the
> addition of the 2nd satellite network significantly increases reception,
> and the receiver is strategically places at the top of the enclosure for
> clearest reception.
>
> The implementation is integrated with an advanced custom GPSDO for 1PPS
> high precision, and radio groups A/B across the network of Mimosa radios
> switch TX/RX  on the GPS epoch rise and fall.
>
> TDMA sync modes allow 50/50 split or 75/25 split for enhanced
> downstream, and window size adjustability from 2-8ms to optimize speed
> versus latency choices.
>
> For non sync modes, auto TDMA adjusts up/down dynamically and avoids
> fixing the bandwidth.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jaime
>
> On Aug 8, 2014, at 7:02 AM, "Kurt Fankhauser" 
> mailto:li...@wavelinc.com>
> > wrote:
>
>> How does Mimosa get GPS Sync? Does it have a GPS receiver built into
>> every radio or is there an external source?
>>
>>
>> Kurt Fankhauser
>>
>> Wavelinc Communications
>>
>> P.O. Box 126
>>
>> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>>
>> http://www.wavelinc.com 
>>
>> tel. 419-562-6405
>>
>> fax. 419-617-0110
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 2:19 PM, Matt Hoppes
>> mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com> 
>> > wrote:
>>
>> I totally understand, Steve.
>>
>> What I'm saying is now you have folks throwing up 5GHz 40MHz
>> backhauls ew.  I guess we'll say.  It's nice the options
>> are out
>> there, but I wish they could be saved for use in the hands of
>> WISPs only.
>>
>>
>> On 8/6/14, 2:17 PM, Steve Barnes wrote:
>> > Matt, nausea can be fixed with realism. I have used nothing but
>> 5GHz backhauls for 8 years. Only in the last 2 years have we gone
>> to any 5 GHz Client other than business.  I have 15 towers and
>> each has at least 2 paths in and out for redundancy.  So that is
>> 35+ Links.  Most are 5 miles or more so not an AF24 candidate in
>> my rain zone.  I can't afford to just go out and buy $175,000
>> worth of licensed backhauls.  But for the price of one Licensed
>> link I can buy 2.5- 5GHz links (AF5, Mimosa, or whoever)  saving
>> me $100,000 when all is said and done.
>> >
>> > Would I prefer to do all licensed and save all the 5GHz for
>> Customer?  Heck Yes!!  But that is not the reality I live in.
>> >
>> > Steve Barnes
>> > General Manager
>> > PCSWIN.com 
>> > Howard LLC.
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
>> 
>> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
>> ] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
>> > Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2014 2:03 PM
>> > To: WISPA General List
>> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)
>> >
>> > I guess... all this backhauling in 5GHz is just making me nauseous.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On 8/6/14, 1:48 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>> >> Higher one way throughput.
>> >> More channels to choose from.
>> >> DFS hit doesn't take your link down.
>> >> External antennas.
>> >> Once you add in those external antennas, there are a ton of things
>> >> that vary like X-pol and F/B.
>> >> Lower power consumption.
>> >> Standard PoE.
>> >> Etc.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> -
>> >> Mike Hammett
>> >> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> >> http://www.ics-il.com
>> >>
>> >>
>> 

Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)

[Mike Hammett]

Colombia? 

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1766737.1398290195!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/gallery_1200/sofia-vergara-1998.jpg
 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



- Original Message -

From: "Josh Luthman"  
To: "WISPA General List"  
Sent: Friday, August 8, 2014 9:23:29 AM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working) 


Off topic, are you guys based in Columbia? 
Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 
On Aug 8, 2014 10:19 AM, "Jaime Fink" < ja...@mimosa.co > wrote: 


Different sync settings need to be on a different channel set to avoid 
interference. 

But that does not limit the use of differing configurations beyond a single 
group. 

> On Aug 8, 2014, at 7:14 AM, "Matt Hoppes" < mhop...@indigowireless.com > 
> wrote: 
> 
> How does sync work if I have a 50/50 and a 75/25 radio on the same tower? 
> 
> 
> Matt Hoppes 
> Director of Information Technology 
> Indigo Wireless 
> +1 (570) 723-7312 
> 
>> On 8/8/14, 10:12 AM, Jaime Fink wrote: 
>> GPS and GLONASS receiver are hard integrated in every product, the 
>> addition of the 2nd satellite network significantly increases reception, 
>> and the receiver is strategically places at the top of the enclosure for 
>> clearest reception. 
>> 
>> The implementation is integrated with an advanced custom GPSDO for 1PPS 
>> high precision, and radio groups A/B across the network of Mimosa radios 
>> switch TX/RX on the GPS epoch rise and fall. 
>> 
>> TDMA sync modes allow 50/50 split or 75/25 split for enhanced 
>> downstream, and window size adjustability from 2-8ms to optimize speed 
>> versus latency choices. 
>> 
>> For non sync modes, auto TDMA adjusts up/down dynamically and avoids 
>> fixing the bandwidth. 
>> 
>> Cheers, 
>> 
>> Jaime 
>> 
>> On Aug 8, 2014, at 7:02 AM, "Kurt Fankhauser" < li...@wavelinc.com 
>> > wrote: 
>> 
>>> How does Mimosa get GPS Sync? Does it have a GPS receiver built into 
>>> every radio or is there an external source? 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Kurt Fankhauser 
>>> 
>>> Wavelinc Communications 
>>> 
>>> P.O. Box 126 
>>> 
>>> Bucyrus, OH 44820 
>>> 
>>> http://www.wavelinc.com < http://www.wavelinc.com/ > 
>>> 
>>> tel. 419-562-6405 
>>> 
>>> fax. 419-617-0110 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 2:19 PM, Matt Hoppes 
>>> < mhop...@indigowireless.com > wrote: 
>>> 
>>> I totally understand, Steve. 
>>> 
>>> What I'm saying is now you have folks throwing up 5GHz 40MHz 
>>> backhauls ew. I guess we'll say. It's nice the options 
>>> are out 
>>> there, but I wish they could be saved for use in the hands of 
>>> WISPs only. 
>>> 
>>> 
 On 8/6/14, 2:17 PM, Steve Barnes wrote: 
 Matt, nausea can be fixed with realism. I have used nothing but 
>>> 5GHz backhauls for 8 years. Only in the last 2 years have we gone 
>>> to any 5 GHz Client other than business. I have 15 towers and 
>>> each has at least 2 paths in and out for redundancy. So that is 
>>> 35+ Links. Most are 5 miles or more so not an AF24 candidate in 
>>> my rain zone. I can't afford to just go out and buy $175,000 
>>> worth of licensed backhauls. But for the price of one Licensed 
>>> link I can buy 2.5- 5GHz links (AF5, Mimosa, or whoever) saving 
>>> me $100,000 when all is said and done. 
 
 Would I prefer to do all licensed and save all the 5GHz for 
>>> Customer? Heck Yes!! But that is not the reality I live in. 
 
 Steve Barnes 
 General Manager 
 PCSWIN.com < http://PCSWIN.com > 
 Howard LLC. 
 
 -Original Message- 
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
>>>  
>>> [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
>>> ] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes 
 Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2014 2:03 PM 
 To: WISPA General List 
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working) 
 
 I guess... all this backhauling in 5GHz is just making me nauseous. 
 
 
 
> On 8/6/14, 1:48 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: 
> Higher one way throughput. 
> More channels to choose from. 
> DFS hit doesn't take your link down. 
> External antennas. 
> Once you add in those external antennas, there are a ton of things 
> that vary like X-pol and F/B. 
> Lower power consumption. 
> Standard PoE. 
> Etc. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> - 
> Mike Hammett 
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> http://www.ics-il.com 
>>> < https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL >< https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentC 
>>> omputingSolutionsDeKalb>< https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent- 
> computing-solutions>< https://twitter.com/ICSIL > 
>>> -- 
> -- 
> *From: *"Matt Hoppes" < mhop...@indigowireless.com 
>>> > 
> *To: *"WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org 
>>> > 
> *Sent: *Wednesday, August 6, 2014 12:40:36 PM 
> *Subject: *

Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)

[Jaime Fink]

>From what we've seen so far in the field, it's about 10% drop between 8 and 4 
>ms, and and another 10% drop to 2 ms.

I was showing a link in the field in a WISP beta location yesterday at the 
Streakwave event that was in 2ms mode window size and it was ranging in the 
700-800 Mbps depending on traffic we were pumping through on iPerf.

Jaime

On Aug 8, 2014, at 7:18 AM, "Kurt Fankhauser" 
mailto:li...@wavelinc.com>> wrote:

Jamie,

Thanks for the quick reply. In non-sync mode what is expected latency on the 
links? Also in sync-mode what is the throughput hit when you adjust the window 
size for better latency? Reason I ask is you mentioned 8ms latency in your post 
and If I am backhauling across 7 towers that could add over 50ms of latency 
from one end of the network to the other...


Kurt Fankhauser

Wavelinc Communications

P.O. Box 126

Bucyrus, OH 44820

http://www.wavelinc.com

tel. 419-562-6405

fax. 419-617-0110


On Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 10:12 AM, Jaime Fink 
mailto:ja...@mimosa.co>> wrote:
GPS and GLONASS receiver are hard integrated in every product, the addition of 
the 2nd satellite network significantly increases reception, and the receiver 
is strategically places at the top of the enclosure for clearest reception.

The implementation is integrated with an advanced custom GPSDO for 1PPS high 
precision, and radio groups A/B across the network of Mimosa radios switch 
TX/RX  on the GPS epoch rise and fall.

TDMA sync modes allow 50/50 split or 75/25 split for enhanced downstream, and 
window size adjustability from 2-8ms to optimize speed versus latency choices.

For non sync modes, auto TDMA adjusts up/down dynamically and avoids fixing the 
bandwidth.

Cheers,

Jaime

On Aug 8, 2014, at 7:02 AM, "Kurt Fankhauser" 
mailto:li...@wavelinc.com>> wrote:

How does Mimosa get GPS Sync? Does it have a GPS receiver built into every 
radio or is there an external source?


Kurt Fankhauser

Wavelinc Communications

P.O. Box 126

Bucyrus, OH 44820

http://www.wavelinc.com

tel. 419-562-6405

fax. 419-617-0110


On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 2:19 PM, Matt Hoppes 
mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com>> wrote:
I totally understand, Steve.

What I'm saying is now you have folks throwing up 5GHz 40MHz
backhauls ew.  I guess we'll say.  It's nice the options are out
there, but I wish they could be saved for use in the hands of WISPs only.


On 8/6/14, 2:17 PM, Steve Barnes wrote:
> Matt, nausea can be fixed with realism. I have used nothing but 5GHz 
> backhauls for 8 years. Only in the last 2 years have we gone to any 5 GHz 
> Client other than business.  I have 15 towers and each has at least 2 paths 
> in and out for redundancy.  So that is 35+ Links.  Most are 5 miles or more 
> so not an AF24 candidate in my rain zone.  I can't afford to just go out and 
> buy $175,000 worth of licensed backhauls.  But for the price of one Licensed 
> link I can buy 2.5- 5GHz links (AF5, Mimosa, or whoever)  saving me $100,000 
> when all is said and done.
>
> Would I prefer to do all licensed and save all the 5GHz for Customer?  Heck 
> Yes!!  But that is not the reality I live in.
>
> Steve Barnes
> General Manager
> PCSWIN.com
> Howard LLC.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
> Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2014 2:03 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)
>
> I guess... all this backhauling in 5GHz is just making me nauseous.
>
>
>
> On 8/6/14, 1:48 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>> Higher one way throughput.
>> More channels to choose from.
>> DFS hit doesn't take your link down.
>> External antennas.
>> Once you add in those external antennas, there are a ton of things
>> that vary like X-pol and F/B.
>> Lower power consumption.
>> Standard PoE.
>> Etc.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>> > omputingSolutionsDeKalb>> computing-solutions>
>>
>> --
>> --
>> *From: *"Matt Hoppes" 
>> mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com>>
>> *To: *"WISPA General List" mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
>> *Sent: *Wednesday, August 6, 2014 12:40:36 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)
>>
>> THanks Josh!
>> I'm not sure this puts the Mimosa device in a positive spot light?
>>
>> H/V instead of cross-slant antennas.
>> Pretty bad F/B compared to the airFiber.
>> And latency is higher than an airFiber
>>
>> What's the "amazing" thing about this new device?
>>
>> On 8/5/14, 6:16 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>>>
>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gurmZ2nJ

Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)

[Josh Luthman]

Off topic, are you guys based in Columbia?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Aug 8, 2014 10:19 AM, "Jaime Fink"  wrote:

> Different sync settings need to be on a different channel set to avoid
> interference.
>
> But that does not limit the use of differing configurations beyond a
> single group.
>
> > On Aug 8, 2014, at 7:14 AM, "Matt Hoppes" 
> wrote:
> >
> > How does sync work if I have a 50/50 and a 75/25 radio on the same tower?
> >
> >
> > Matt Hoppes
> > Director of Information Technology
> > Indigo Wireless
> > +1 (570) 723-7312
> >
> >> On 8/8/14, 10:12 AM, Jaime Fink wrote:
> >> GPS and GLONASS receiver are hard integrated in every product, the
> >> addition of the 2nd satellite network significantly increases reception,
> >> and the receiver is strategically places at the top of the enclosure for
> >> clearest reception.
> >>
> >> The implementation is integrated with an advanced custom GPSDO for 1PPS
> >> high precision, and radio groups A/B across the network of Mimosa radios
> >> switch TX/RX  on the GPS epoch rise and fall.
> >>
> >> TDMA sync modes allow 50/50 split or 75/25 split for enhanced
> >> downstream, and window size adjustability from 2-8ms to optimize speed
> >> versus latency choices.
> >>
> >> For non sync modes, auto TDMA adjusts up/down dynamically and avoids
> >> fixing the bandwidth.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >>
> >> Jaime
> >>
> >> On Aug 8, 2014, at 7:02 AM, "Kurt Fankhauser"  >> > wrote:
> >>
> >>> How does Mimosa get GPS Sync? Does it have a GPS receiver built into
> >>> every radio or is there an external source?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Kurt Fankhauser
> >>>
> >>> Wavelinc Communications
> >>>
> >>> P.O. Box 126
> >>>
> >>> Bucyrus, OH 44820
> >>>
> >>> http://www.wavelinc.com 
> >>>
> >>> tel. 419-562-6405
> >>>
> >>> fax. 419-617-0110
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 2:19 PM, Matt Hoppes
> >>> mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com>>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>I totally understand, Steve.
> >>>
> >>>What I'm saying is now you have folks throwing up 5GHz 40MHz
> >>>backhauls ew.  I guess we'll say.  It's nice the options
> >>>are out
> >>>there, but I wish they could be saved for use in the hands of
> >>>WISPs only.
> >>>
> >>>
> On 8/6/14, 2:17 PM, Steve Barnes wrote:
>  Matt, nausea can be fixed with realism. I have used nothing but
> >>>5GHz backhauls for 8 years. Only in the last 2 years have we gone
> >>>to any 5 GHz Client other than business.  I have 15 towers and
> >>>each has at least 2 paths in and out for redundancy.  So that is
> >>>35+ Links.  Most are 5 miles or more so not an AF24 candidate in
> >>>my rain zone.  I can't afford to just go out and buy $175,000
> >>>worth of licensed backhauls.  But for the price of one Licensed
> >>>link I can buy 2.5- 5GHz links (AF5, Mimosa, or whoever)  saving
> >>>me $100,000 when all is said and done.
> 
>  Would I prefer to do all licensed and save all the 5GHz for
> >>>Customer?  Heck Yes!!  But that is not the reality I live in.
> 
>  Steve Barnes
>  General Manager
>  PCSWIN.com 
>  Howard LLC.
> 
>  -Original Message-
>  From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
> >>>
> >>>[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
> >>>] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
>  Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2014 2:03 PM
>  To: WISPA General List
>  Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)
> 
>  I guess... all this backhauling in 5GHz is just making me nauseous.
> 
> 
> 
> > On 8/6/14, 1:48 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
> > Higher one way throughput.
> > More channels to choose from.
> > DFS hit doesn't take your link down.
> > External antennas.
> > Once you add in those external antennas, there are a ton of things
> > that vary like X-pol and F/B.
> > Lower power consumption.
> > Standard PoE.
> > Etc.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -
> > Mike Hammett
> > Intelligent Computing Solutions
> > http://www.ics-il.com
> >>><
> https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentC
> >>>omputingSolutionsDeKalb><
> https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-
> > computing-solutions>
> >>>
>  --
> > --
> > *From: *"Matt Hoppes"  >>>>
> > *To: *"WISPA General List"  >>>>
> > *Sent: *Wednesday, August 6, 2014 12:40:36 PM
> > *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)
> >
> > THanks Josh!
> > I'm not sure this puts the Mimosa device in a positive spot light?
> >
> > H/V i

Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)

[Mike Hammett]

It syncs those systems within systems of the same parameters. Changing the 
parameters requires more traditional RF planning. Same thing on Canopy, WiMax, 
etc., etc. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



- Original Message -

From: "Matt Hoppes"  
To: "WISPA General List"  
Sent: Friday, August 8, 2014 9:13:54 AM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working) 

How does sync work if I have a 50/50 and a 75/25 radio on the same tower? 


Matt Hoppes 
Director of Information Technology 
Indigo Wireless 
+1 (570) 723-7312 

On 8/8/14, 10:12 AM, Jaime Fink wrote: 
> GPS and GLONASS receiver are hard integrated in every product, the 
> addition of the 2nd satellite network significantly increases reception, 
> and the receiver is strategically places at the top of the enclosure for 
> clearest reception. 
> 
> The implementation is integrated with an advanced custom GPSDO for 1PPS 
> high precision, and radio groups A/B across the network of Mimosa radios 
> switch TX/RX on the GPS epoch rise and fall. 
> 
> TDMA sync modes allow 50/50 split or 75/25 split for enhanced 
> downstream, and window size adjustability from 2-8ms to optimize speed 
> versus latency choices. 
> 
> For non sync modes, auto TDMA adjusts up/down dynamically and avoids 
> fixing the bandwidth. 
> 
> Cheers, 
> 
> Jaime 
> 
> On Aug 8, 2014, at 7:02 AM, "Kurt Fankhauser"  > wrote: 
> 
>> How does Mimosa get GPS Sync? Does it have a GPS receiver built into 
>> every radio or is there an external source? 
>> 
>> 
>> Kurt Fankhauser 
>> 
>> Wavelinc Communications 
>> 
>> P.O. Box 126 
>> 
>> Bucyrus, OH 44820 
>> 
>> http://www.wavelinc.com  
>> 
>> tel. 419-562-6405 
>> 
>> fax. 419-617-0110 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 2:19 PM, Matt Hoppes 
>> mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com>> wrote: 
>> 
>> I totally understand, Steve. 
>> 
>> What I'm saying is now you have folks throwing up 5GHz 40MHz 
>> backhauls ew. I guess we'll say. It's nice the options 
>> are out 
>> there, but I wish they could be saved for use in the hands of 
>> WISPs only. 
>> 
>> 
>> On 8/6/14, 2:17 PM, Steve Barnes wrote: 
>> > Matt, nausea can be fixed with realism. I have used nothing but 
>> 5GHz backhauls for 8 years. Only in the last 2 years have we gone 
>> to any 5 GHz Client other than business. I have 15 towers and 
>> each has at least 2 paths in and out for redundancy. So that is 
>> 35+ Links. Most are 5 miles or more so not an AF24 candidate in 
>> my rain zone. I can't afford to just go out and buy $175,000 
>> worth of licensed backhauls. But for the price of one Licensed 
>> link I can buy 2.5- 5GHz links (AF5, Mimosa, or whoever) saving 
>> me $100,000 when all is said and done. 
>> > 
>> > Would I prefer to do all licensed and save all the 5GHz for 
>> Customer? Heck Yes!! But that is not the reality I live in. 
>> > 
>> > Steve Barnes 
>> > General Manager 
>> > PCSWIN.com  
>> > Howard LLC. 
>> > 
>> > -Original Message- 
>> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
>>  
>> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
>> ] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes 
>> > Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2014 2:03 PM 
>> > To: WISPA General List 
>> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working) 
>> > 
>> > I guess... all this backhauling in 5GHz is just making me nauseous. 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > 
>> > On 8/6/14, 1:48 PM, Mike Hammett wrote: 
>> >> Higher one way throughput. 
>> >> More channels to choose from. 
>> >> DFS hit doesn't take your link down. 
>> >> External antennas. 
>> >> Once you add in those external antennas, there are a ton of things 
>> >> that vary like X-pol and F/B. 
>> >> Lower power consumption. 
>> >> Standard PoE. 
>> >> Etc. 
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> - 
>> >> Mike Hammett 
>> >> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> >> http://www.ics-il.com 
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> > >> 
>> omputingSolutionsDeKalb>> >> computing-solutions> 
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> -- 
>> >> -- 
>> >> *From: *"Matt Hoppes" > > 
>> >> *To: *"WISPA General List" > > 
>> >> *Sent: *Wednesday, August 6, 2014 12:40:36 PM 
>> >> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working) 
>> >> 
>> >> THanks Josh! 
>> >> I'm not sure this puts the Mimosa device in a positive spot light? 
>> >> 
>> >> H/V instead of cross-slant antennas. 
>> >> Pretty bad F/B compared to the airFiber. 
>> >> And latency is higher than an airFiber 
>> >> 
>> >> What's the "amazing" thing about this new device? 
>> >> 
>> >> On 8/5/14, 6:16 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote: 
>> >>> 
>> >> 
>> https:/

Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)

[Jaime Fink]

Different sync settings need to be on a different channel set to avoid 
interference. 

But that does not limit the use of differing configurations beyond a single 
group. 

> On Aug 8, 2014, at 7:14 AM, "Matt Hoppes"  wrote:
> 
> How does sync work if I have a 50/50 and a 75/25 radio on the same tower?
> 
> 
> Matt Hoppes
> Director of Information Technology
> Indigo Wireless
> +1 (570) 723-7312
> 
>> On 8/8/14, 10:12 AM, Jaime Fink wrote:
>> GPS and GLONASS receiver are hard integrated in every product, the
>> addition of the 2nd satellite network significantly increases reception,
>> and the receiver is strategically places at the top of the enclosure for
>> clearest reception. 
>> 
>> The implementation is integrated with an advanced custom GPSDO for 1PPS
>> high precision, and radio groups A/B across the network of Mimosa radios
>> switch TX/RX  on the GPS epoch rise and fall.  
>> 
>> TDMA sync modes allow 50/50 split or 75/25 split for enhanced
>> downstream, and window size adjustability from 2-8ms to optimize speed
>> versus latency choices. 
>> 
>> For non sync modes, auto TDMA adjusts up/down dynamically and avoids
>> fixing the bandwidth. 
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Jaime
>> 
>> On Aug 8, 2014, at 7:02 AM, "Kurt Fankhauser" > > wrote:
>> 
>>> How does Mimosa get GPS Sync? Does it have a GPS receiver built into
>>> every radio or is there an external source?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Kurt Fankhauser
>>> 
>>> Wavelinc Communications
>>> 
>>> P.O. Box 126
>>> 
>>> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>>> 
>>> http://www.wavelinc.com 
>>> 
>>> tel. 419-562-6405
>>> 
>>> fax. 419-617-0110
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 2:19 PM, Matt Hoppes
>>> mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>I totally understand, Steve.
>>> 
>>>What I'm saying is now you have folks throwing up 5GHz 40MHz
>>>backhauls ew.  I guess we'll say.  It's nice the options
>>>are out
>>>there, but I wish they could be saved for use in the hands of
>>>WISPs only.
>>> 
>>> 
On 8/6/14, 2:17 PM, Steve Barnes wrote:
 Matt, nausea can be fixed with realism. I have used nothing but
>>>5GHz backhauls for 8 years. Only in the last 2 years have we gone
>>>to any 5 GHz Client other than business.  I have 15 towers and
>>>each has at least 2 paths in and out for redundancy.  So that is
>>>35+ Links.  Most are 5 miles or more so not an AF24 candidate in
>>>my rain zone.  I can't afford to just go out and buy $175,000
>>>worth of licensed backhauls.  But for the price of one Licensed
>>>link I can buy 2.5- 5GHz links (AF5, Mimosa, or whoever)  saving
>>>me $100,000 when all is said and done.
 
 Would I prefer to do all licensed and save all the 5GHz for
>>>Customer?  Heck Yes!!  But that is not the reality I live in.
 
 Steve Barnes
 General Manager
 PCSWIN.com 
 Howard LLC.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
>>>
>>>[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
>>>] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
 Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2014 2:03 PM
 To: WISPA General List
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)
 
 I guess... all this backhauling in 5GHz is just making me nauseous.
 
 
 
> On 8/6/14, 1:48 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
> Higher one way throughput.
> More channels to choose from.
> DFS hit doesn't take your link down.
> External antennas.
> Once you add in those external antennas, there are a ton of things
> that vary like X-pol and F/B.
> Lower power consumption.
> Standard PoE.
> Etc.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>>>omputingSolutionsDeKalb> computing-solutions>
>>>--
> --
> *From: *"Matt Hoppes" >>>
> *To: *"WISPA General List" >>>
> *Sent: *Wednesday, August 6, 2014 12:40:36 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)
> 
> THanks Josh!
> I'm not sure this puts the Mimosa device in a positive spot light?
> 
> H/V instead of cross-slant antennas.
> Pretty bad F/B compared to the airFiber.
> And latency is higher than an airFiber
> 
> What's the "amazing" thing about this new device?
> 
>> On 8/5/14, 6:16 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>>>https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gurmZ2nJru0e87DZuGxfipTB326NiP
> OTkLXNIXBDfdc/edit?usp=sharing
>> 
>> submit comments for approval / additions please
>>

Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)

[Kurt Fankhauser]

Jamie,

Thanks for the quick reply. In non-sync mode what is expected latency on
the links? Also in sync-mode what is the throughput hit when you adjust the
window size for better latency? Reason I ask is you mentioned 8ms latency
in your post and If I am backhauling across 7 towers that could add over
50ms of latency from one end of the network to the other...


Kurt Fankhauser

Wavelinc Communications

P.O. Box 126

Bucyrus, OH 44820

http://www.wavelinc.com

tel. 419-562-6405

fax. 419-617-0110


On Fri, Aug 8, 2014 at 10:12 AM, Jaime Fink  wrote:

>  GPS and GLONASS receiver are hard integrated in every product, the
> addition of the 2nd satellite network significantly increases reception,
> and the receiver is strategically places at the top of the enclosure for
> clearest reception.
>
>  The implementation is integrated with an advanced custom GPSDO for 1PPS
> high precision, and radio groups A/B across the network of Mimosa radios
> switch TX/RX  on the GPS epoch rise and fall.
>
>  TDMA sync modes allow 50/50 split or 75/25 split for enhanced
> downstream, and window size adjustability from 2-8ms to optimize speed
> versus latency choices.
>
>  For non sync modes, auto TDMA adjusts up/down dynamically and avoids
> fixing the bandwidth.
>
>  Cheers,
>
>  Jaime
>
> On Aug 8, 2014, at 7:02 AM, "Kurt Fankhauser"  wrote:
>
>   How does Mimosa get GPS Sync? Does it have a GPS receiver built into
> every radio or is there an external source?
>
>
>  Kurt Fankhauser
>
> Wavelinc Communications
>
> P.O. Box 126
>
> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>
> http://www.wavelinc.com
>
> tel. 419-562-6405
>
> fax. 419-617-0110
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 2:19 PM, Matt Hoppes 
> wrote:
>
>> I totally understand, Steve.
>>
>> What I'm saying is now you have folks throwing up 5GHz 40MHz
>> backhauls ew.  I guess we'll say.  It's nice the options are out
>> there, but I wish they could be saved for use in the hands of WISPs only.
>>
>>
>> On 8/6/14, 2:17 PM, Steve Barnes wrote:
>> > Matt, nausea can be fixed with realism. I have used nothing but 5GHz
>> backhauls for 8 years. Only in the last 2 years have we gone to any 5 GHz
>> Client other than business.  I have 15 towers and each has at least 2 paths
>> in and out for redundancy.  So that is 35+ Links.  Most are 5 miles or more
>> so not an AF24 candidate in my rain zone.  I can't afford to just go out
>> and buy $175,000 worth of licensed backhauls.  But for the price of one
>> Licensed link I can buy 2.5- 5GHz links (AF5, Mimosa, or whoever)  saving
>> me $100,000 when all is said and done.
>> >
>> > Would I prefer to do all licensed and save all the 5GHz for Customer?
>>  Heck Yes!!  But that is not the reality I live in.
>> >
>> > Steve Barnes
>> > General Manager
>> > PCSWIN.com
>> > Howard LLC.
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>> On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
>> > Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2014 2:03 PM
>> > To: WISPA General List
>> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)
>> >
>> > I guess... all this backhauling in 5GHz is just making me nauseous.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On 8/6/14, 1:48 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>> >> Higher one way throughput.
>> >> More channels to choose from.
>> >> DFS hit doesn't take your link down.
>> >> External antennas.
>> >> Once you add in those external antennas, there are a ton of things
>> >> that vary like X-pol and F/B.
>> >> Lower power consumption.
>> >> Standard PoE.
>> >> Etc.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> -
>> >> Mike Hammett
>> >> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> >> http://www.ics-il.com
>> >>
>> >> > >> omputingSolutionsDeKalb>> >> computing-solutions>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> --
>> >> *From: *"Matt Hoppes" 
>> >> *To: *"WISPA General List" 
>> >> *Sent: *Wednesday, August 6, 2014 12:40:36 PM
>> >> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)
>> >>
>> >> THanks Josh!
>> >> I'm not sure this puts the Mimosa device in a positive spot light?
>> >>
>> >> H/V instead of cross-slant antennas.
>> >> Pretty bad F/B compared to the airFiber.
>> >> And latency is higher than an airFiber
>> >>
>> >> What's the "amazing" thing about this new device?
>> >>
>> >> On 8/5/14, 6:16 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>> >>>
>> >> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gurmZ2nJru0e87DZuGxfipTB326NiP
>> >> OTkLXNIXBDfdc/edit?usp=sharing
>> >>>
>> >>> submit comments for approval / additions please
>> >>>
>> >>> I'm waiting back on UBNT to help further fill in the chart, and some
>> >>> of it I'm lazy on.
>> >>>
>> >>> TODO: For sure, add bandwidth / distance / modulation / signal /
>> >>> channel width table
>> >>>
>> >>> Also, would like to hear Mimosa's PPS count, and see any results of
>> >>> an
>> >>> RFC2544 test (which n

Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)

[Matt Hoppes]

How does sync work if I have a 50/50 and a 75/25 radio on the same tower?


Matt Hoppes
Director of Information Technology
Indigo Wireless
+1 (570) 723-7312

On 8/8/14, 10:12 AM, Jaime Fink wrote:
> GPS and GLONASS receiver are hard integrated in every product, the
> addition of the 2nd satellite network significantly increases reception,
> and the receiver is strategically places at the top of the enclosure for
> clearest reception. 
> 
> The implementation is integrated with an advanced custom GPSDO for 1PPS
> high precision, and radio groups A/B across the network of Mimosa radios
> switch TX/RX  on the GPS epoch rise and fall.  
> 
> TDMA sync modes allow 50/50 split or 75/25 split for enhanced
> downstream, and window size adjustability from 2-8ms to optimize speed
> versus latency choices. 
> 
> For non sync modes, auto TDMA adjusts up/down dynamically and avoids
> fixing the bandwidth. 
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Jaime
> 
> On Aug 8, 2014, at 7:02 AM, "Kurt Fankhauser"  > wrote:
> 
>> How does Mimosa get GPS Sync? Does it have a GPS receiver built into
>> every radio or is there an external source?
>>
>>
>> Kurt Fankhauser
>>
>> Wavelinc Communications
>>
>> P.O. Box 126
>>
>> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>>
>> http://www.wavelinc.com 
>>
>> tel. 419-562-6405
>>
>> fax. 419-617-0110
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 2:19 PM, Matt Hoppes
>> mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com>> wrote:
>>
>> I totally understand, Steve.
>>
>> What I'm saying is now you have folks throwing up 5GHz 40MHz
>> backhauls ew.  I guess we'll say.  It's nice the options
>> are out
>> there, but I wish they could be saved for use in the hands of
>> WISPs only.
>>
>>
>> On 8/6/14, 2:17 PM, Steve Barnes wrote:
>> > Matt, nausea can be fixed with realism. I have used nothing but
>> 5GHz backhauls for 8 years. Only in the last 2 years have we gone
>> to any 5 GHz Client other than business.  I have 15 towers and
>> each has at least 2 paths in and out for redundancy.  So that is
>> 35+ Links.  Most are 5 miles or more so not an AF24 candidate in
>> my rain zone.  I can't afford to just go out and buy $175,000
>> worth of licensed backhauls.  But for the price of one Licensed
>> link I can buy 2.5- 5GHz links (AF5, Mimosa, or whoever)  saving
>> me $100,000 when all is said and done.
>> >
>> > Would I prefer to do all licensed and save all the 5GHz for
>> Customer?  Heck Yes!!  But that is not the reality I live in.
>> >
>> > Steve Barnes
>> > General Manager
>> > PCSWIN.com 
>> > Howard LLC.
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
>> 
>> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
>> ] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
>> > Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2014 2:03 PM
>> > To: WISPA General List
>> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)
>> >
>> > I guess... all this backhauling in 5GHz is just making me nauseous.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On 8/6/14, 1:48 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>> >> Higher one way throughput.
>> >> More channels to choose from.
>> >> DFS hit doesn't take your link down.
>> >> External antennas.
>> >> Once you add in those external antennas, there are a ton of things
>> >> that vary like X-pol and F/B.
>> >> Lower power consumption.
>> >> Standard PoE.
>> >> Etc.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> -
>> >> Mike Hammett
>> >> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> >> http://www.ics-il.com
>> >>
>> >>
>> > >>
>> omputingSolutionsDeKalb>> >> computing-solutions>
>> >>
>> >>
>> --
>> >> --
>> >> *From: *"Matt Hoppes" > >
>> >> *To: *"WISPA General List" > >
>> >> *Sent: *Wednesday, August 6, 2014 12:40:36 PM
>> >> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)
>> >>
>> >> THanks Josh!
>> >> I'm not sure this puts the Mimosa device in a positive spot light?
>> >>
>> >> H/V instead of cross-slant antennas.
>> >> Pretty bad F/B compared to the airFiber.
>> >> And latency is higher than an airFiber
>> >>
>> >> What's the "amazing" thing about this new device?
>> >>
>> >> On 8/5/14, 6:16 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>
>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gurmZ2nJru0e87DZuGxfipTB326NiP
>> >> OTkLXNIXBDfdc/edit?usp=sharing
>> >>>
>> >>> submit comments for approval / additions please
>> >>>
>> >>> I'm waiting 

Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)

[Jaime Fink]

GPS and GLONASS receiver are hard integrated in every product, the addition of 
the 2nd satellite network significantly increases reception, and the receiver 
is strategically places at the top of the enclosure for clearest reception.

The implementation is integrated with an advanced custom GPSDO for 1PPS high 
precision, and radio groups A/B across the network of Mimosa radios switch 
TX/RX  on the GPS epoch rise and fall.

TDMA sync modes allow 50/50 split or 75/25 split for enhanced downstream, and 
window size adjustability from 2-8ms to optimize speed versus latency choices.

For non sync modes, auto TDMA adjusts up/down dynamically and avoids fixing the 
bandwidth.

Cheers,

Jaime

On Aug 8, 2014, at 7:02 AM, "Kurt Fankhauser" 
mailto:li...@wavelinc.com>> wrote:

How does Mimosa get GPS Sync? Does it have a GPS receiver built into every 
radio or is there an external source?


Kurt Fankhauser

Wavelinc Communications

P.O. Box 126

Bucyrus, OH 44820

http://www.wavelinc.com

tel. 419-562-6405

fax. 419-617-0110


On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 2:19 PM, Matt Hoppes 
mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com>> wrote:
I totally understand, Steve.

What I'm saying is now you have folks throwing up 5GHz 40MHz
backhauls ew.  I guess we'll say.  It's nice the options are out
there, but I wish they could be saved for use in the hands of WISPs only.


On 8/6/14, 2:17 PM, Steve Barnes wrote:
> Matt, nausea can be fixed with realism. I have used nothing but 5GHz 
> backhauls for 8 years. Only in the last 2 years have we gone to any 5 GHz 
> Client other than business.  I have 15 towers and each has at least 2 paths 
> in and out for redundancy.  So that is 35+ Links.  Most are 5 miles or more 
> so not an AF24 candidate in my rain zone.  I can't afford to just go out and 
> buy $175,000 worth of licensed backhauls.  But for the price of one Licensed 
> link I can buy 2.5- 5GHz links (AF5, Mimosa, or whoever)  saving me $100,000 
> when all is said and done.
>
> Would I prefer to do all licensed and save all the 5GHz for Customer?  Heck 
> Yes!!  But that is not the reality I live in.
>
> Steve Barnes
> General Manager
> PCSWIN.com
> Howard LLC.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On 
> Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
> Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2014 2:03 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)
>
> I guess... all this backhauling in 5GHz is just making me nauseous.
>
>
>
> On 8/6/14, 1:48 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>> Higher one way throughput.
>> More channels to choose from.
>> DFS hit doesn't take your link down.
>> External antennas.
>> Once you add in those external antennas, there are a ton of things
>> that vary like X-pol and F/B.
>> Lower power consumption.
>> Standard PoE.
>> Etc.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>> > omputingSolutionsDeKalb>> computing-solutions>
>>
>> --
>> --
>> *From: *"Matt Hoppes" 
>> mailto:mhop...@indigowireless.com>>
>> *To: *"WISPA General List" mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
>> *Sent: *Wednesday, August 6, 2014 12:40:36 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)
>>
>> THanks Josh!
>> I'm not sure this puts the Mimosa device in a positive spot light?
>>
>> H/V instead of cross-slant antennas.
>> Pretty bad F/B compared to the airFiber.
>> And latency is higher than an airFiber
>>
>> What's the "amazing" thing about this new device?
>>
>> On 8/5/14, 6:16 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
>>>
>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gurmZ2nJru0e87DZuGxfipTB326NiP
>> OTkLXNIXBDfdc/edit?usp=sharing
>>>
>>> submit comments for approval / additions please
>>>
>>> I'm waiting back on UBNT to help further fill in the chart, and some
>>> of it I'm lazy on.
>>>
>>> TODO: For sure, add bandwidth / distance / modulation / signal /
>>> channel width table
>>>
>>> Also, would like to hear Mimosa's PPS count, and see any results of
>>> an
>>> RFC2544 test (which normally eats most wireless gear alive).
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)

[Kurt Fankhauser]

How does Mimosa get GPS Sync? Does it have a GPS receiver built into every
radio or is there an external source?


Kurt Fankhauser

Wavelinc Communications

P.O. Box 126

Bucyrus, OH 44820

http://www.wavelinc.com

tel. 419-562-6405

fax. 419-617-0110


On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 2:19 PM, Matt Hoppes 
wrote:

> I totally understand, Steve.
>
> What I'm saying is now you have folks throwing up 5GHz 40MHz
> backhauls ew.  I guess we'll say.  It's nice the options are out
> there, but I wish they could be saved for use in the hands of WISPs only.
>
>
> On 8/6/14, 2:17 PM, Steve Barnes wrote:
> > Matt, nausea can be fixed with realism. I have used nothing but 5GHz
> backhauls for 8 years. Only in the last 2 years have we gone to any 5 GHz
> Client other than business.  I have 15 towers and each has at least 2 paths
> in and out for redundancy.  So that is 35+ Links.  Most are 5 miles or more
> so not an AF24 candidate in my rain zone.  I can't afford to just go out
> and buy $175,000 worth of licensed backhauls.  But for the price of one
> Licensed link I can buy 2.5- 5GHz links (AF5, Mimosa, or whoever)  saving
> me $100,000 when all is said and done.
> >
> > Would I prefer to do all licensed and save all the 5GHz for Customer?
>  Heck Yes!!  But that is not the reality I live in.
> >
> > Steve Barnes
> > General Manager
> > PCSWIN.com
> > Howard LLC.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2014 2:03 PM
> > To: WISPA General List
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)
> >
> > I guess... all this backhauling in 5GHz is just making me nauseous.
> >
> >
> >
> > On 8/6/14, 1:48 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
> >> Higher one way throughput.
> >> More channels to choose from.
> >> DFS hit doesn't take your link down.
> >> External antennas.
> >> Once you add in those external antennas, there are a ton of things
> >> that vary like X-pol and F/B.
> >> Lower power consumption.
> >> Standard PoE.
> >> Etc.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -
> >> Mike Hammett
> >> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> >> http://www.ics-il.com
> >>
> >>  >> omputingSolutionsDeKalb> >> computing-solutions>
> >>
> >> --
> >> --
> >> *From: *"Matt Hoppes" 
> >> *To: *"WISPA General List" 
> >> *Sent: *Wednesday, August 6, 2014 12:40:36 PM
> >> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa B5-160 v UBNT AF5-US Chart (working)
> >>
> >> THanks Josh!
> >> I'm not sure this puts the Mimosa device in a positive spot light?
> >>
> >> H/V instead of cross-slant antennas.
> >> Pretty bad F/B compared to the airFiber.
> >> And latency is higher than an airFiber
> >>
> >> What's the "amazing" thing about this new device?
> >>
> >> On 8/5/14, 6:16 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
> >>>
> >> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gurmZ2nJru0e87DZuGxfipTB326NiP
> >> OTkLXNIXBDfdc/edit?usp=sharing
> >>>
> >>> submit comments for approval / additions please
> >>>
> >>> I'm waiting back on UBNT to help further fill in the chart, and some
> >>> of it I'm lazy on.
> >>>
> >>> TODO: For sure, add bandwidth / distance / modulation / signal /
> >>> channel width table
> >>>
> >>> Also, would like to hear Mimosa's PPS count, and see any results of
> >>> an
> >>> RFC2544 test (which normally eats most wireless gear alive).
> >>>
> >> ___
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> >> Wireless@wispa.org
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