Yes, they do understand it. You're not understanding the point.The
telcos have big bucks to lobby with, and benefit the regulators. We do
not.Thus, we will NEVER be on their list.We cannot get onto the
top of the rolodex until we have millions with which to lobby, and can
1/2 inch plastic conduit works, and it's about 95 cents per 10 foot stick at
Home Depot...
The price is good, how's that compare to drip tube?
--
From: Matt Jenkins m...@smarterbroadband.net
Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 7:06 PM
To: WISPA
I've been watching the thread about it with great interest.Partly
because I was wondering if anyone was going to try my solution, which is,
to attempt to be able to deliver the bandwidth to the people who want to use
these, and have them work fine.
Please understand, I'm not talking about
I guess you could call me lucky in that I have access to darn good rates.
I'm currently at $60/mbit and working to see if my provider will give me a
break for doubling my commit.
Currently, my commit is 10m and I'm paying overages each month, but they're
still reasonably small.This is on
...@saucer.midcoast.com
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 9:32 AM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] About Hulu and Netflix and youtube...
increaseddatadeliveryis here to stay.
On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 09:17:58AM -0800, MDK wrote:
I guess you could call me lucky in that I have access
and Netflix and
youtube...increaseddatadeliveryis here to stay.
What ubnt 3.65 are you saying you tried? Afaik ubnt has 3 gig but not
on US channels. What country are you in?
On Nov 13, 2009, at 1:15 PM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote
LOL!Never tell that to the guy with the stuff you say doesn't exist and
doing the things you say can't be done, 'cause he's already got it and using
it.
--
From: Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com
Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 9:24 PM
To: WISPA
in the sand when they ask us for data that anyone with
any desire at all can figure out anyway.
Wake up already. We are loosing this fight. It's time for a new
strategy.
marlon
- Original Message -
From: MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent
Send me a list and prices. I am buying star-os stuff.
purchasing AT neofast.net
--
From: Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2009 11:41 AM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Reset StarOS
I am
Looking for an x86 compatible board of some kind with at least 3 or (better)
more ethernet ports.
Anyone have suggestions?
Needs to have enough cpu power to route full 100m ethernet speed.gigE
would be even better.
I've not found such a beast... but I need one where there's no ac power,
-- Mikrotik WISP Support Services
WISPA Vendor Member
Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net
LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training
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-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of MDK
Sent
I believe Advanced Antenna bought out the old Equinox company, and now it
appears they, too, have gone belly-up - or at least the old website is now
gone (www.advancedantennainc.com).Perhaps now there's yet another
operating under the old brand, or maybe they changed websites and I can't
I've run out of these, and none of the vendors I use commonly carry them.
Anyone out west have these?
Yeah, I know, it costs more to buy two of these than a whole pre-built 10
foot cable, but every danged pre-built I buy has water issues.
We have never had to seal any of the cables we built
I have a backhaul feed that completely flips out when it rains.But, only
when it rains heavy, and only for a short time.
Yes, we took the cables apart, and no, there wasn't water in the cable
connections. But, water gets into stuff slowly, and ... err... stays
there.
This, will be
: Re: [WISPA] Odd 5 ghz behavior
Sounds like one of the feed horns are bad or you have freznel blockage
that affects the link when drenched.
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
-Original Message-
From: MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 19:08:07
To: WISPA General
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Odd 5 ghz behavior
Sounds like one of the feed horns are bad or you have freznel blockage
that
affects the link when drenched.
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
-Original Message-
From: MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 19:08:07
To: WISPA General
to weatherproof all of your connections. If they are not
getting
wet you are lucky. Plain and simple.
Bob
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
-Original Message-
From: MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 10:20:52
To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org
from unknown China outfit and hoped for the best?
I got lots of pigtails with only one end, man!
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of MDK
Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 2:36 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re
I'm going to do some experimenting with some MIMO and TDMA based stuff. I
need some Atheros based cards to do this - I'd like at least 3 or 4.I need
2x2 MIMO, specifically.I need to know the precise chipset on the card
before I buy.
Don't call me, email me at purchasing at
Arc wireless makes 20 and 23 db panels and pacwireless makes a 2 and 3 foot
solid dish w/dual polarity.
Does ANYONE make dual pol sectors for 5 ghz besides UBNT, whose antennas are
made of 99 44/100 % pure unobtanium?
--
From: Phil Curnutt
Ubuquiti has something like that.
--
From: rwf ralphli...@bsrg.org
Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 10:19 AM
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] 802.3af POE to Passive POE
Anyone know of a gizmo that will allow a
Pacwireless also has 802.af to 12 and 24 volt splitters.
--
From: Tom Sharples tsharp...@qorvus.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 11:09 AM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] 802.3af POE to Passive POE
Scratch
If you're a WISP and have interest in using commodity - off the shelf -
Atheros based hardware to achieve higher than ethernet speeds over
wireless... This is not a tweak of 802.11, it is a completely different
mode...
There is currently an opportunity to do so, where most of the work has
, 2009 7:36 PM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] FreeBSD hackers Needed for WISP related product...
If you are using Atheros based hardware, it's still 802.11... regardless
of what software you put on top of it.
Travis
Microserv
MDK wrote:
If you're a WISP
.
Then UBNT stuff came out.
On Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 9:39 PM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote:
Given UBNT's record of unavailability of product, and the inability to
route via the interface, I vastly prefer this to UBNT's products.
Now, mind you, I'm not really putting them down
Microserv
MDK wrote:
Actually, it's far better than cost-effective.
It's flexible, in both hardware and capabilities.Firewall, routing,
routing daemons, and other things.
Frankly, I find the physical aspects of the Airmax stuff frustratingly
limited.
I've grown fond of my immense ability
, routing daemons, scripting, etc. also
being able to use $50 boards up to $1,000 X86 based systems moving
gigabits of traffic. All with standard parts.
So what would this FreeBSD system bring to the table that can't be
done already?
Travis
Microserv
MDK wrote:
Actually, it's far better than
, 2009, at 12:56 AM, MDK wrote:
Actually, it's far better than cost-effective.
It's flexible, in both hardware and capabilities.Firewall, routing,
routing daemons, and other things.
Frankly, I find the physical aspects of the Airmax stuff frustratingly
limited.
I've grown fond of my
The most I have done so far, is to put 7 cards in one box. I don't use
shielding between them or anything, and have no known issues, except if I
forget and use the diversity mode in the card, instead of locking to the
port I'm using.
I'm about to upgrade one site to 10 cards in one steel
They described CSMA in different language.By every reasonable
comparison, the 802.11a protocol addresses every concern the FCC has, but
would not certify...
--
From: Matt lm7...@gmail.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 4:21 PM
To: WISPA
Aluminum is moderately effective at attenuating microwave rf.
Steel is needed to dampen EMP (from lightning strikes).
--
From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 8:35 PM
To: WISPA General List
, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote:
Aluminum is moderately effective at attenuating microwave rf.
Steel is needed to dampen EMP (from lightning strikes).
--
From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2009 8
It's my understanding that for purposes of insurance, the rules that govern
1099 work are being changed dramatically.The subcontractor status is
mostly going to go away. This will mean that if someone runs his own
business, but only works for you, bye bye status... and that includes
.
My wife agrees with me and she is always right.
Bob-
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of MDK
Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2009 3:25 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] health insurance
It's my
It's 2:30 AM...
I just drove up to the house, and walked VERY fast inside. After all,
weather.com says that it's 12 degrees and an 8 MPH wind. In their head,
maybe.Outside of the little valley I live in, the wind's more like 25
mph. There's no snow on the ground.
I don't make a
LOL!It really was a very warm hat.
--
From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com
Sent: Monday, December 07, 2009 6:58 AM
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] One long @#$% day!
Are you sure you didn't eat spicy
, Dec 07, 2009 at 03:49:59AM -0800, MDK wrote:
It's 2:30 AM...
I just drove up to the house, and walked VERY fast inside. After
all,
weather.com says that it's 12 degrees and an 8 MPH wind. In their
head,
maybe.Outside of the little valley I live in, the wind's more like
25
mph
As business people, we should be looking at insurance for health like we do
as insurance for everything else.What's it there for? Protect us from
catastrophe, like falling through some guy's glass skylight, or accidently
parking the bucket truck on top of his sprinker control box and it
So is food an absolute necessity.
Does this mean we should have a single farmer system run by the government?
Maybe we should have a single ISP system, run by the government? Single
car maker, run by the government?Single housing contractor, run by
Congress?Single clothing maker, the
As I stated before... Medicare reimburses such low amounts, that ever
doctor, hospital, clinic, lab, etc, that accepts it does so at a loss. Not
just no profit but at a loss.Not only that, but Medicare has the
highest level of financial fraud, period. It's very efficient... at giving
LOL...
I was being lectured by some do-gooder online for my rotten morality, and my
answer to him was...
So, I have invested my entire life savings, toiled for 4 years without a
paycheck to put all the cash back into the business, and have worked more
hours than can ever be accounted for.
I dunno about him, but I can tell you that over the last 5.5 years I've been
in business, I have seen the last of the rice, beans, flour, bread, milk
vanish and the bank account be just as empty as the fridge and pantry a good
many times.
And, even when facing that kind of need at home, I've
Think IRS compassion.
I've got a personal debt to my state, and you have no idea how incredibly
nasty they are.
The guy actually told me wife it would be better if she were also
unemployed, so as to assure that no additional tax debt might be incurred.
Now THAT is the kind of health care
Marlon... Exactly.
A number of years ago, I made acquaintance of nice guy who is Norwegian... A
programmer, open source aficionado. One day we got talking about our
living - you know, home, car, food, etc.I mentioned something about
losing my home a few years back due to unemployment.
I'm sure you're a nice guy...
But you're trying to convince a lot of people who know better by long years
of experience, that life would be beautiful and all will be fine, if we just
give Congress a few more trillion dollars a year of our hard earned money.
Oh, and defining being moral and
After long debate, it has been determined that the reason the US lags behind
other countries is that it costs too much, and people need help... so,
here's the new solution.
Introducing Federal NetCare, the program to make broadband available to
everyone.
Here's how it works: There's a
Every country with a government run medical system Denies routine
medical care, extraordinary medical care, or expensive medical care on a
routine basis. This is why babies delivered by the NHS hospitals in
Britain are less than 90% born in a hospital room or delivery room. The
Yahh... Me too. It's a small one. My customers have my cell phone
number.
We have lost more customers to home sales than any other factor ( we picked
up some of the buyers, though, so I'm wondering if that matters ).
Some days, I really really resent that phone ringing. I haven't had a
forced to provide service to clients that I know I will
be
losing money each month on does not seem right.
Just my 2 cents.
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of MDK
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2009 11:02 PM
To: WISPA
@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Introducing NetCare
On Tue, Dec 8, 2009 at 23:01, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote:
Introducing Federal NetCare, the program to make broadband available to
everyone.
Broadband Internet isn't the same as BASIC HUMAN WELFARE and you know it.
One is (literally
The last time I experienced that, it was a bad cable end, where the wind had
shaken the last 18 inches of 400 size cable - the distance from the last
clamp to the N connector, and the N connector had literally shaken apart.
The entire braiding had broken loose and the compression on the foam
LOL, come on Patrick, you're not attenuated yet.Though as I recall, you
probably wanted to attenuate me a little when we got into serious verbal
combat over whether or not residential wireless was even an option. Of
course that was... What? 2001? You so ticked me off I had to
That's because REAL broadband has to be provided by government.
Just like REAL health care.
Just like REAL education.
Just like REAL science.
Just ask the advocates of government can make our lives a paradise
thinking on this list.I have learned.
All that private enterprise stuff... that's
is the answer.
-RickG
On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 5:01 AM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote:
That's because REAL broadband has to be provided by government.
Just like REAL health care.
Just like REAL education.
Just like REAL science.
Just ask the advocates of government can make our lives a paradise
And each of these is the evidence I have that I do NOT want them doing
anything more, and I want them OUT of those things, as well.
--
From: Tim Sylvester t...@avanzarnetworks.com
Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2009 5:27 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
No, he robbed from the corrupt people of the government and gave it back to
the people.
--
From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com
Sent: Monday, December 14, 2009 9:09 AM
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA]
There's only one thing you REALLY need to know about it:
The TVA was the source of much fraud and abuse of taxpayer dollars.So
was the REA.
Creating monopolies has resulted in highly inefficient business models for
electricity, and there's only space in this game for big corporations.
BTW, it WAS an interesting article.
My comment on it was that until the Seattle area governments manage to
actually DO something... anything. You know, accomplish at least ONE thing
they're charged with... YOu know, like end crime, fill the potholes, educate
the children, or any of the other
] Broadband compared to electricity of the early 1900's
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 12:30, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote:
Why is it we think that the same people who cannot clean up Hanford (they
have yet to clean ONE SINGLE TANK OF WASTE in decades of effort!) despite
decades of promises and countless
. Keeping an open
mind
as to unknown possibilities I guess :-)
Thank You,
Brian Webster
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 12:50 PM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote:
There's only one thing you REALLY need to know about it:
The TVA was the source of much fraud and abuse of taxpayer dollars.So
So far as I can tell, there is no real answer to that question.
What is a professional and who is, and how do they become one... Nobody
has a good answer for.
--
From: os10ru...@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2009 6:53 PM
To: WISPA
the government is the answer.
-RickG
On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 5:01 AM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote:
That's because REAL broadband has to be provided by government.
Just like REAL health care.
Just like REAL education.
Just like REAL science.
Just ask the advocates of government can make our
There's a guy started a small network in an area I serve, but quite distant
from me, and he's wanting to get out.
He offered to sell me his customers and his network, and then finally he
quoted me a price for his network.Not the customers but just the
network and the customer owns his own
Such revelations can be most helpful in guiding future actions.
however, public admissions of said revelations can be, err... Well, I'll
just pretend I never read it and you pretend you never said it...
Hey, anyone read the bit in the news... about the job you should be EVER so
grateful you
Here's hope and prayers, that in the mad rush of careless and demanding
customers, exasperating technological blunders or wonders, and the year end
financial chaos that can ensue, that somehow, in the middle of all this, you
find a little island of peace, with family and friends.That
AMEN to that Steve, and the same for you...And all the readers...
--
From: Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com
Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 1:46 PM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] Happy New Year
Happy New Year!!!
more pessimistic.All of our futures depend on economic activity, growth
and health
Sadly, Washington, DC continues to demonstrate a vast wealth of
cluelessness...
--
From: Patrick Leary ple...@apertonet.com
Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010
I'm seeing the same thing.
I can literally track it month to month and show the bill and useage going
up each month by far more than the growth of our customer base.
In 3 months I've added 25% to my useage.
KA-POW! That's one serious bunch of data useage.
Thanks for the putdown.
--
From: Travis Johnson t...@ida.net
Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 8:31 PM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] StarOS Operator gets Stimulus Funding
Yes... and to go a step further, if the
I've used the Air-X and had it survive many storms and winds of 60-80.
I changed to Air Breeze because SWWP suggested that it would charge better
in low winds, and the circuit board was not prone to die every year to 18
months.
My Air Breeze failed repeatedly - it never lasted more than 45
Marlon, I have some deep cycle batteries and a wind generator I could loan
you for a while, till you get around to re-doing it.
--
From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com
Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 9:35 AM
To: WISPA General List
Is that directly off the pages of the Democrat National Committee Blast
Fax talking points of the day?
Shame on you, Jack.
There's easily 24 million households THAT DO NOT WANT OR WILL NOT PAY FOR
broadband.
I have some areas where I cover 100% of the households, nobody else does,
and yet, I
--
From: MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 10:58 PM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] From Today's WSJ
Is that directly off the pages of the Democrat National Committee Blast
Fax talking
That would seem to be rational and logical as an observation, prediction,
and explanation.
--
From: Jeff Broadwick jeffl...@comcast.net
Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 5:10 AM
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] From
interestingly enough, mine has picked up of late. I think it's the reduced
install cost that's driven that.
I also had a small time competitor just walk way from his network and I'm
scrambling big time trying to fill the gap... but I haven't the money to put
up the infrastructure... We're
You're not wrong, Rick. But we live in a land with so incredibly much
wealth, privilege, and opportunity, that there's actually very little that
politicians can actually DO. There's so little wrong to correct that
everything they can make a noise about, they blow into a crisis, when it's
As I write, is it 1:40 AM, I'm tired as heck, but have been mulling this
question for days, and have finally taken the time to do this. First, to
my self-motivated enemies who can't stand anything I say Nuts!, I'm
right and I know it. Now, for the rest, who are interested in more than
just
Thanks...I was not writing this as if it were a mature proposal... but
rather as something to stimulate debate.I'm sure that other people see
pitfalls in things I don't, and may perceive unintended consequences I have
not. I don't consider it be anywhere near best of all worlds, but it
Please note that I said refundable tax credits. That is, if your credits
are more than your taxes, you get a check back.
This could be done so that your refunds would be quarterly.
++
Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy
541-969-8200 509-386-4589
++
--
From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 6:58 PM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] How the FCC Proposes the Regulate Broadband
MDK,
I applaud your Email. It will take some time to fully digest all the
relevent
++
Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy
541-969-8200 509-386-4589
++
--
From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net
Sent: Friday, May 28, 2010 8:15 AM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
++
Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy
541-969-8200 509-386-4589
++
--
From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net
Sent: Friday, May 28, 2010 9:36 AM
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
I run my own dns resolution for customers right on my own network.My
AP's that have an x86 based cpu run dns for the customers. I have
approximately 140 customers using one 5 radio AP for DNS resolution, and it
has yet to break a sweat.Yes, I've noticed it generates a bit of small
My accountant says expense it all... but I'm small enough I have that much
discretionary expense allowance.
++
Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy
541-969-8200 509-386-4589
++
--
From:
This evening I was at one of my access points... one that has several
backhauls and various 2.4 and 5 ghz ap's at it.
After I was done with my few minutes of doing things, I wanted to make sure
I had not physically disconnected or accidentally unhooked anything (messing
with the batteries,
] Is this a record of some kind?
probably a ruckus on the other end
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of MDK
Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 10:16 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Is this a record of some kind
?
What that really means is that you are likely running far too large of an
antenna.
You're also going to find yourself interfering with your own network far
more than is healthy with things that run this way!
marlon
- Original Message -
From: MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us
To: WISPA
209-988-7388
CV-Access, Inc.
www.cv-access.com / cprofito'at'cv-access.com
Providing Broadband Internet Access to
California's Rural Central Valley
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of MDK
Sent: Saturday, June 12
Been using 900 with variable success for about 4 years now. Started with
SR-9's and now have XR9 / STar-OS gear deployed. Love it. It's almost as
fast as 5 gig, for a given channel size, and is incredibly better at tree
penetration than is 2.4 or 5 gig.
It has limited application, due to
I'm real happy with the 23 db panels from Arc Wireless. Slightly better
RSSI than a 25 db PacW grid.
Not expensive, but the mounts are kinda hokey.
++
Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy
541-969-8200 509-386-4589
++
wireless@wispa.org
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking to Sell..
Are you talking 5Ghz?
On 6/15/10, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote:
I'm real happy with the 23 db panels from Arc Wireless. Slightly better
RSSI than a 25 db PacW grid.
Not expensive, but the mounts are kinda hokey
This may be our last chance to survive in this business.
I know what my position is, and it should be clear to most of you.
However, the FCC needs to hear from the smaller operators, and from small
business saying Hands off! We can't afford your wishes. And they
need to hear it from the
Anyone with 2 cents worth of common sense could have told them the outcome.
The reason most poor are poor in developed nations is because of the poor
quality of decisions.Children of families that exhibit this behavior
merely continue it.Give them the additional means of wasting more
I've never been to any WISP or ISP con of any kind. Wanted to, but never
had the dough to go.
First, St Louis? Why? Go to Las Vegas and do it in early November.
There's a cheap way to get to Vegas from anywhere in the US, especially at
that time of the year.
Heck, round trip from the
I put up a temporary install of a UBNT rocket / sector combination, and it's
at one of my regular AP spots, it sees quite a bit of noise.
using a nanobridge as a cpe, and with only one other client online... I
was able, at 4 miles, to get an internal speed test of 120mbit.This is
using
Xg's product is stated to allow small operators to offer a cellular like
service, using the 900 spectrum.They say they can deal with crowded
spectrum, and it's designed for low density population.
What it amounts to is an IP mobile network, using portable VOIP phones.
It is interesting,
If you did, how would you sleep at night, knowing you're ripping off money
for nuttin?
++
Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy
541-969-8200 509-386-4589
++
--
From: Glenn Kelley
against the use of our tax dollars for all these wasteful programs. I
think all other utilities should be made to stand on their own as
well. What better way to show that it works than by our own example?
On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 11:14 AM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote:
If you did, how would
Let's see... the Administration continues to implement wildly absurd and
destructive policies, continues a mad dash desperate attempt to bankrupt the
country with spending so insane it boggles the mind, continues to take over
industries with regulatory legislation that makes less sense than
Great, they want to tax us now.
Nothing like getting kicked in the head.Tax the little guy to subsidize the
big one.What a wonderful plan.
This is worse than NOTHING.
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