Re: [WISPA] Hamvention
I dont expect anything to survive a direct hit. I've had dozens of these on towers since 2004 and this is the first one to get it. Not too bad! On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 1:36 AM, Kurt Fankhauser k...@wavelinc.com wrote: You can't use a fiberglass omni at the top of a tower and expect it to survive a strike unless it has a copper groundrod built inside of it protruding from the top in which it was designed to take a strike. Learned this from various HAM radio operators. Only 2.4ghz omni I know of that has a metal frame and can survive direct strikes are slotted waveguides such as the various H-POL omni's you see. If I'm going to use a VPOL omni I make sure I'm not the tallest guy on the tower. Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2010 11:16 PM To: wa4...@arrl.net; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hamvention Ya, the pop (pun intended:) is growing so hopefully it gets sectors soon! On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 8:03 PM, Leon D. Zetekoff wa4...@backwoodswireless.net wrote: On 05/16/2010 07:08 PM, RickG wrote: I'm sorry Bob! I was slacking all night on a water tank after it took a direct hit. Picture of omni attached. Even with LP in place, it melted the cabling down to the enclosure and burned up everything in it! I got it back up running by dropping temporary cables down the side of the tower. A dozen man hours later - it's all new. Maybe next year! We had a multi-band comet VHF/UHF for our club repeater on the top of a 10 story building in Coral Springs a number of years ago and it got blown apart similarly. They work good but explode like that when hit. Leon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Tools for an easy/safe day. Was -- Re: Times Microwave tools for LMR 400...
$350k! I hope you have a good CPA. Otherwise, the Obama team will know your address :) On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 11:14 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: I'd never got back to the crimp or solder cheapo connectors. It's just too critical of a component. All it has to do is loosen up due to temp changes and you'll fight strange performance issues forever! At the very lease solder them vs. crimping the center pin. At least that creates a positive connection. If you use the EZ connectors it's important to have the lip on the center pin cleaned up. Otherwise you don't get a good connection. I can see where a file would work just fine, but I don't have time to fiddle with that kind of thing. It takes me just a few minutes to make a PERFECT connection nowadays. It's like the cat5 we do. I ONLY use the EZ connectors and crimper now. Yeah the tool and crimps are expensive, but my time is even more valuable. http://www.google.com/products?hl=enresnum=0q=EZ+rj45um=1ie=UTF-8ei=oazyS4XZA4GuswOinMj_Cwsa=Xoi=product_result_groupct=titleresnum=3ved=0CDsQrQQwAg I buy Bosch, Dewalt, or Milwakee drills. I don't often use screw drivers anymore, I use electric drivers (high speed Bosch 12vdc unit) etc. I've got a LARGE bucket truck. I replace my ladders every couple of years (4 at most). I put on good tires and brakes. I hire help if I get too busy or the job is too dangerous. I'm tired of working so hard. I'm too old (45) to take crazy chances. It's time to get the company paid off and start putting kids through college. Soon we'll be able to put money in the bank for later. As things sit right now we'll have nearly everything (not the house or cars) paid off in about 5 years. Never know, we may decide to expand or buy someone out and screw that up, but as of now the future is looking very bright! We're up to just under 700 subs now. 7500+ square miles. 30+ tower sites. I have 1.2 people in the office, the wife spends 6 or 7 hours a week paying bills (home ones included) and I work 6 to 12 hours per day (more toward 12 :-). Once in a while I hire some help in the field as stated above. Our gross revenue will hit around $350,000 this year. All with basically 2.5 people. Not too many companies can accomplish that. Especially in areas as sparsely populated as we are. Efficiency and safety are very high on my list for what I do and the tools I use. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 9:52 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Times Microwave tools for LMR 400... They are nice sure, but consider how expensive the connectors are I go with regular connector. Even if that means I have to do two crimps and have to mess with the center pin. Not crimped a cable in the field for years thanks to PoE occasionally need a jumper and mostly just use premade jumpers and in the rare instances build a custom length. Don't even have connectors or coax spools in the install van any longer. But have a variety of different length of coax cables. The stripper tool is great. Crimper you can use just about any crimpers and the deburring tool I got one don't use it, don't need it for center pins you crimp. Or just use a $5 file. Tessco got all the brand parts. We got the crimp handles and dies if you want to save some. / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of D. Ryan Spott Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 10:51 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Times Microwave tools for LMR 400... I am looking for the following: EZ-400-NMH-D Connector CCT-01 Tool (cutter) ST-400EZ tool (cable Prep tool) DBT-U (deburr tool) HX4 Tool (crimp tool) Separately or in a kit... Does anyone have a favorite Vendor? I saw one vendor selling a kit for LMR400/600 with all of the above parts. They wanted over $1000 for it! The 'EZ-Crimp connectors look like the way to go, but other advice is appreciated. ryan WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth
When you peak at 65-75 percent its probably time to add more. It depends on how fast your filling it up and how long it takes to implement the new capacity. -RickG On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 9:09 AM, Jeremie Chism jchi...@gmail.com wrote: At what percentage of your backbone usage do you look at adding more capacity. At peak times I run at 65-70 percent of capacity. Just looking for suggestions. Sent from my iPhone WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth
Makes me think: What about caching on the edge rather than the core of your network? My goal would not be so much as to save bandwidth but rather performance to the end user. On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 8:13 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: Depends whether you are asking me or Jeremie. We dont use caching to save upstream badnwidth, currently. The reason is that our upstream transit costs are way less expesnive than our last mile and transport costs. At one point, I calculated our unlicensed transport costs to be close to $180 per mbps (inlcuding colo/roof leases), but our transit costs at the same time averaged under $10/mb. (actually down to $3/mb now all costs factored). Now, this is all changing, as we add more licensed higher capacity backhauls and higher capacity last mile. Today my last mile/transport costs are much much lower, but I haven't calculated that recently. Caching would not have saved us money or prevented bottle necks for download traffic. However, it very well could save us money caching our customers on-net web servers, reducing last mile traffic. Obviously, it would be the opposite situation for other WISPs that had high transit/transport costs and low last mile costs. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Glenn Kelley gl...@hostmedic.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 11:51 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Well Put. Have you guys thought about - (sorry jumping in the back end here) adding squid or caching? I have seen some major drops on bandwidth when caching is put in place - up to 30+% On the other hand - squid is not a replacement for the additional bandwidth. On May 20, 2010, at 10:43 AM, Tom DeReggi wrote: For Ethernet colision detection type networks, you are correct. That is what many WISPs forget when deploying PtMP. They incorrectly think a CDMA 25mb link will double their 10mb TDD link as they scale. They learn that as customer get added, the capacity is not nearly as much as they thought.. But with Ethernet backbones it does not always work the same, for two reasons 1) There is only one end device, so its not possible for collisions, and collision avoidance algorythms aren't really needed. 2) If using TDD Ethernet, transmits are scheduled, without the typical overhead of Ethernet. I can run successfully run a bandwidth test of 95mb over a 100mb Cogent fiber circuti, and with a Tlink-45 set 36mbps mod, tested to pass 30mbps with radio tests, I can count on passing 30mbps through it. So again, it comes down to the design and technology of the backbone. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Scott Reed scottr...@onlyinternet.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 11:08 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Old rule of thumb for Ethernet, because it is based on collision detection, is 70-75% is the max you want. Above this and collisions often become an issue. I assume the same is true for the faster links as well. Jeremie Chism wrote: At what percentage of your backbone usage do you look at adding more capacity. At peak times I run at 65-70 percent of capacity. Just looking for suggestions. Sent from my iPhone WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x2241 1-260-827-2241 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Google Pac Man
Pacman, Excitebike, Galaga, MechWarrior, taking me back! Go back a bit further to Zork - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zork. Here is an interesting story: I was an IBM Field Engineer in my previous life. When I first started there, I maintained System/360 mainframes for the large banks in LA. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System_360 We loaded and ran two games on the system back in 1979, Zork and Startrek. LOL, the banks timeshared the system and tracked usage in order to bill each department. One day they asked why engineering was running so many diagnostics :) -RickG On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 12:45 PM, Mark Nash - Lists markl...@uwol.net wrote: Used to go down to Laguna Beach CA with a group. They had a LAN system with full-surround pods intercom to your teammates. Had mech battles - Original Message - From: David E. Smith d...@mvn.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 9:41 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google Pac Man On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 11:33, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: They have a version of the arcade joy stick and button board to plug into the computer if you are using MAME or other arcade emulators. I purchased one for the wife a couple of years back so she could play some god awful game called Elevator Action on her laptop. Game sucks but the X-Arcade deal is pretty sweet. I know. One of these weeks I'll buy one of their big dual joysticks, hook it up to the PS3, and have a wild Super Street Fighter IV party. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Google Pac Man
If you didnt figure it out, those games were text based back then but still lots of fun. I found a better link: http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Game:Zork On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 1:19 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: Pacman, Excitebike, Galaga, MechWarrior, taking me back! Go back a bit further to Zork - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zork. Here is an interesting story: I was an IBM Field Engineer in my previous life. When I first started there, I maintained System/360 mainframes for the large banks in LA. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System_360 We loaded and ran two games on the system back in 1979, Zork and Startrek. LOL, the banks timeshared the system and tracked usage in order to bill each department. One day they asked why engineering was running so many diagnostics :) -RickG On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 12:45 PM, Mark Nash - Lists markl...@uwol.net wrote: Used to go down to Laguna Beach CA with a group. They had a LAN system with full-surround pods intercom to your teammates. Had mech battles - Original Message - From: David E. Smith d...@mvn.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 9:41 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google Pac Man On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 11:33, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: They have a version of the arcade joy stick and button board to plug into the computer if you are using MAME or other arcade emulators. I purchased one for the wife a couple of years back so she could play some god awful game called Elevator Action on her laptop. Game sucks but the X-Arcade deal is pretty sweet. I know. One of these weeks I'll buy one of their big dual joysticks, hook it up to the PS3, and have a wild Super Street Fighter IV party. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Google Pac Man
1976! Ha, you win! I was still in high school learning to write programs to punch cards to run through an IBM 029 punch reader. Those were the days. Thanks for making me feel a bit younger! On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 1:25 PM, Mike m...@aweiowa.com wrote: Now there are some memories! We played Star Trek on the University of Iowa Engineering mainframe back in 1976. Between sessions, you saved your game on punch tape and took the loop home with you. Friendly Regards, Mike -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 12:20 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google Pac Man Pacman, Excitebike, Galaga, MechWarrior, taking me back! Go back a bit further to Zork - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zork. Here is an interesting story: I was an IBM Field Engineer in my previous life. When I first started there, I maintained System/360 mainframes for the large banks in LA. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System_360 We loaded and ran two games on the system back in 1979, Zork and Startrek. LOL, the banks timeshared the system and tracked usage in order to bill each department. One day they asked why engineering was running so many diagnostics :) -RickG On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 12:45 PM, Mark Nash - Lists markl...@uwol.net wrote: Used to go down to Laguna Beach CA with a group. They had a LAN system with full-surround pods intercom to your teammates. Had mech battles - Original Message - From: David E. Smith d...@mvn.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 9:41 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google Pac Man On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 11:33, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: They have a version of the arcade joy stick and button board to plug into the computer if you are using MAME or other arcade emulators. I purchased one for the wife a couple of years back so she could play some god awful game called Elevator Action on her laptop. Game sucks but the X-Arcade deal is pretty sweet. I know. One of these weeks I'll buy one of their big dual joysticks, hook it up to the PS3, and have a wild Super Street Fighter IV party. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Google Pac Man
LOL, I used to take the pink bus from Garden Grove down to Huntington at least 3-4 times a week in the summers from '75-'80! -RickG On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 1:51 PM, Mark Nash - Lists markl...@uwol.net wrote: Yeesh back in '79 the coolest things I had access to were my baseball glove and my trombone cuz I was in JUNIOR HIGH!!! Then there was taking my boogie board to Huntington beach almost every single day on the bus in the summer. Didn't need devices in those days. - Original Message - From: Mike m...@aweiowa.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 10:25 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google Pac Man Now there are some memories! We played Star Trek on the University of Iowa Engineering mainframe back in 1976. Between sessions, you saved your game on punch tape and took the loop home with you. Friendly Regards, Mike -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 12:20 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google Pac Man Pacman, Excitebike, Galaga, MechWarrior, taking me back! Go back a bit further to Zork - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zork. Here is an interesting story: I was an IBM Field Engineer in my previous life. When I first started there, I maintained System/360 mainframes for the large banks in LA. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System_360 We loaded and ran two games on the system back in 1979, Zork and Startrek. LOL, the banks timeshared the system and tracked usage in order to bill each department. One day they asked why engineering was running so many diagnostics :) -RickG On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 12:45 PM, Mark Nash - Lists markl...@uwol.net wrote: Used to go down to Laguna Beach CA with a group. They had a LAN system with full-surround pods intercom to your teammates. Had mech battles - Original Message - From: David E. Smith d...@mvn.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 9:41 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google Pac Man On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 11:33, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: They have a version of the arcade joy stick and button board to plug into the computer if you are using MAME or other arcade emulators. I purchased one for the wife a couple of years back so she could play some god awful game called Elevator Action on her laptop. Game sucks but the X-Arcade deal is pretty sweet. I know. One of these weeks I'll buy one of their big dual joysticks, hook it up to the PS3, and have a wild Super Street Fighter IV party. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Google Pac Man
You had a kill switch?!? I though those were for sissies :) On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 5:43 PM, Mark Nash - Lists markl...@uwol.net wrote: Can't tell you how many times I spilled off of my dirt bike before the age of 10... Reaching for the kill switch to turn the motor off to realize that the barbed wire has ahold of you...Now motorcycles have 4 wheels...I guess they're fun, too. - Original Message - From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 2:38 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google Pac Man Go down to the beaches now or the parks or the local swimming pools. Not many there. I've tried to get my brats to do active things. Right! One of the boys sprained his shoulder 2 days ago at school. Gym class, was throwing footballs. I honestly think it's the first time he ever strained a muscle other than his thumbs or mouse clicking index finger. So he's all whining about it. I told him it's about time he got a real injury! Shesh! Kids. At his age, 13, I already had dog bites, one snake bite, a broken wrist, scars, etc. Electronics suck! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 1:51 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google Pac Man Yeesh back in '79 the coolest things I had access to were my baseball glove and my trombone cuz I was in JUNIOR HIGH!!! Then there was taking my boogie board to Huntington beach almost every single day on the bus in the summer. Didn't need devices in those days. - Original Message - From: Mike m...@aweiowa.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 10:25 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google Pac Man Now there are some memories! We played Star Trek on the University of Iowa Engineering mainframe back in 1976. Between sessions, you saved your game on punch tape and took the loop home with you. Friendly Regards, Mike -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 12:20 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google Pac Man Pacman, Excitebike, Galaga, MechWarrior, taking me back! Go back a bit further to Zork - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zork. Here is an interesting story: I was an IBM Field Engineer in my previous life. When I first started there, I maintained System/360 mainframes for the large banks in LA. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System_360 We loaded and ran two games on the system back in 1979, Zork and Startrek. LOL, the banks timeshared the system and tracked usage in order to bill each department. One day they asked why engineering was running so many diagnostics :) -RickG On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 12:45 PM, Mark Nash - Lists markl...@uwol.net wrote: Used to go down to Laguna Beach CA with a group. They had a LAN system with full-surround pods intercom to your teammates. Had mech battles - Original Message - From: David E. Smith d...@mvn.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 9:41 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google Pac Man On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 11:33, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: They have a version of the arcade joy stick and button board to plug into the computer if you are using MAME or other arcade emulators. I purchased one for the wife a couple of years back so she could play some god awful game called Elevator Action on her laptop. Game sucks but the X-Arcade deal is pretty sweet. I know. One of these weeks I'll buy one of their big dual joysticks, hook it up to the PS3, and have a wild Super Street Fighter IV party. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Google Pac Man
I did that out in the Mojave desert on my 250 after a bomb hole got in my way :) Ended up in the hospital overnight for observation. On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 8:09 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Oh, and the cracked helmet? I was tearing down an overgrown gravel lane at the quarry, hit a rock. flew over the handle bars head first into another VERY large rock. Without the helmet. Well, I'm sure that would have been the last of my days. However I never told my mother she was right and it saved my butt. Still hated the helmet after that but the crack made it cooler. Bob- - Original Message - From: Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 7:20 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google Pac Man Did you win? On May 21, 2010, at 5:37 PM, Robert West wrote: That's funny! That's actually how I broke my wrist. On a dirt bike. We were seeing who could jump their dirt bike highest off a hill in an old quarry. Boys are supposed to try to kill themselves. What we have now is just unnatural. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 5:43 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google Pac Man Can't tell you how many times I spilled off of my dirt bike before the age of 10... Reaching for the kill switch to turn the motor off to realize that the barbed wire has ahold of you...Now motorcycles have 4 wheels...I guess they're fun, too. - Original Message - From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 2:38 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google Pac Man Go down to the beaches now or the parks or the local swimming pools. Not many there. I've tried to get my brats to do active things. Right! One of the boys sprained his shoulder 2 days ago at school. Gym class, was throwing footballs. I honestly think it's the first time he ever strained a muscle other than his thumbs or mouse clicking index finger. So he's all whining about it. I told him it's about time he got a real injury! Shesh! Kids. At his age, 13, I already had dog bites, one snake bite, a broken wrist, scars, etc. Electronics suck! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 1:51 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google Pac Man Yeesh back in '79 the coolest things I had access to were my baseball glove and my trombone cuz I was in JUNIOR HIGH!!! Then there was taking my boogie board to Huntington beach almost every single day on the bus in the summer. Didn't need devices in those days. - Original Message - From: Mike m...@aweiowa.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 10:25 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google Pac Man Now there are some memories! We played Star Trek on the University of Iowa Engineering mainframe back in 1976. Between sessions, you saved your game on punch tape and took the loop home with you. Friendly Regards, Mike -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 12:20 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google Pac Man Pacman, Excitebike, Galaga, MechWarrior, taking me back! Go back a bit further to Zork - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zork. Here is an interesting story: I was an IBM Field Engineer in my previous life. When I first started there, I maintained System/360 mainframes for the large banks in LA. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System_360 We loaded and ran two games on the system back in 1979, Zork and Startrek. LOL, the banks timeshared the system and tracked usage in order to bill each department. One day they asked why engineering was running so many diagnostics :) -RickG On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 12:45 PM, Mark Nash - Lists markl...@uwol.net wrote: Used to go down to Laguna Beach CA with a group. They had a LAN system with full-surround pods intercom to your teammates. Had mech battles - Original Message - From: David E. Smith d...@mvn.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 9:41 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google Pac Man On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 11:33, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: They have a version of the arcade joy stick and button board to plug into the computer if you are using MAME or other arcade emulators. I purchased one for the wife a couple of years back so she could play some god awful game called Elevator Action on her laptop. Game sucks but the X-Arcade deal is pretty sweet. I know. One of these weeks I'll buy one of their big dual joysticks, hook it up to the PS3, and have
Re: [WISPA] Google Pac Man
Actually, what made it better was that the bomb hole was full of water from the rare monsoon rains that hit the high desert every so often. No choice but to attempt to jump it. Rear tire didnt make it thereby kicking me off like a bucking bronco. They woke me up on the other side saying that was really radical =0 On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 12:44 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: The bomb hole makes it better! - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 10:01 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google Pac Man I did that out in the Mojave desert on my 250 after a bomb hole got in my way :) Ended up in the hospital overnight for observation. On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 8:09 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Oh, and the cracked helmet? I was tearing down an overgrown gravel lane at the quarry, hit a rock. flew over the handle bars head first into another VERY large rock. Without the helmet. Well, I'm sure that would have been the last of my days. However I never told my mother she was right and it saved my butt. Still hated the helmet after that but the crack made it cooler. Bob- - Original Message - From: Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 7:20 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google Pac Man Did you win? On May 21, 2010, at 5:37 PM, Robert West wrote: That's funny! That's actually how I broke my wrist. On a dirt bike. We were seeing who could jump their dirt bike highest off a hill in an old quarry. Boys are supposed to try to kill themselves. What we have now is just unnatural. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 5:43 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google Pac Man Can't tell you how many times I spilled off of my dirt bike before the age of 10... Reaching for the kill switch to turn the motor off to realize that the barbed wire has ahold of you...Now motorcycles have 4 wheels...I guess they're fun, too. - Original Message - From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 2:38 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google Pac Man Go down to the beaches now or the parks or the local swimming pools. Not many there. I've tried to get my brats to do active things. Right! One of the boys sprained his shoulder 2 days ago at school. Gym class, was throwing footballs. I honestly think it's the first time he ever strained a muscle other than his thumbs or mouse clicking index finger. So he's all whining about it. I told him it's about time he got a real injury! Shesh! Kids. At his age, 13, I already had dog bites, one snake bite, a broken wrist, scars, etc. Electronics suck! -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mark Nash - Lists Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 1:51 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google Pac Man Yeesh back in '79 the coolest things I had access to were my baseball glove and my trombone cuz I was in JUNIOR HIGH!!! Then there was taking my boogie board to Huntington beach almost every single day on the bus in the summer. Didn't need devices in those days. - Original Message - From: Mike m...@aweiowa.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 10:25 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google Pac Man Now there are some memories! We played Star Trek on the University of Iowa Engineering mainframe back in 1976. Between sessions, you saved your game on punch tape and took the loop home with you. Friendly Regards, Mike -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 12:20 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google Pac Man Pacman, Excitebike, Galaga, MechWarrior, taking me back! Go back a bit further to Zork - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zork. Here is an interesting story: I was an IBM Field Engineer in my previous life. When I first started there, I maintained System/360 mainframes for the large banks in LA. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System_360 We loaded and ran two games on the system back in 1979, Zork and Startrek. LOL, the banks timeshared the system and tracked usage in order to bill each department. One day they asked why engineering was running so many diagnostics :) -RickG On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 12:45 PM, Mark Nash - Lists markl...@uwol.net wrote: Used to go down to Laguna Beach CA with a group. They had a LAN system with full-surround pods intercom to your teammates. Had mech battles - Original Message - From: David E. Smith d...@mvn.net To: WISPA General List
Re: [WISPA] Google Pac Man
Yes, small world - I grad'd from Pacifica in '78! As you know, we played out football games at GGHS. Surfin Huntington was my 2nd favorite sport behind dirt biking in the desert. I've never been up to Oregon but when I do, Ill look you up. Of course, Rickeesha may beat me there :) On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 12:02 PM, Mark Nash markl...@uwol.net wrote: I grad'd from GG high school... small world. I lived in this little town of 4500 people for about 12 years... Junction City, OR. Found 4 people who grad'd from my high school, different generations. Mark Nash UnwiredWest 1702 W. 2nd Ave Suite A Eugene, OR 97402 541-998- 541-998-5599 fax http://www.unwiredwest.com - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 6:50 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google Pac Man LOL, I used to take the pink bus from Garden Grove down to Huntington at least 3-4 times a week in the summers from '75-'80! -RickG On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 1:51 PM, Mark Nash - Lists markl...@uwol.net wrote: Yeesh back in '79 the coolest things I had access to were my baseball glove and my trombone cuz I was in JUNIOR HIGH!!! Then there was taking my boogie board to Huntington beach almost every single day on the bus in the summer. Didn't need devices in those days. - Original Message - From: Mike m...@aweiowa.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 10:25 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google Pac Man Now there are some memories! We played Star Trek on the University of Iowa Engineering mainframe back in 1976. Between sessions, you saved your game on punch tape and took the loop home with you. Friendly Regards, Mike -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 12:20 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google Pac Man Pacman, Excitebike, Galaga, MechWarrior, taking me back! Go back a bit further to Zork - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zork. Here is an interesting story: I was an IBM Field Engineer in my previous life. When I first started there, I maintained System/360 mainframes for the large banks in LA. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/System_360 We loaded and ran two games on the system back in 1979, Zork and Startrek. LOL, the banks timeshared the system and tracked usage in order to bill each department. One day they asked why engineering was running so many diagnostics :) -RickG On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 12:45 PM, Mark Nash - Lists markl...@uwol.net wrote: Used to go down to Laguna Beach CA with a group. They had a LAN system with full-surround pods intercom to your teammates. Had mech battles - Original Message - From: David E. Smith d...@mvn.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 9:41 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Google Pac Man On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 11:33, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: They have a version of the arcade joy stick and button board to plug into the computer if you are using MAME or other arcade emulators. I purchased one for the wife a couple of years back so she could play some god awful game called Elevator Action on her laptop. Game sucks but the X-Arcade deal is pretty sweet. I know. One of these weeks I'll buy one of their big dual joysticks, hook it up to the PS3, and have a wild Super Street Fighter IV party. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless
Re: [WISPA] Good reliable b/g/n inside AP
What about these? http://ubnt.com/powerapn On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 12:44 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I did not mean it that way, sorry. I meant to suggest what you're saying here. IME you get what you pay for. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 12:36 PM, Jeff Ehman jeh...@cticonnect.com wrote: I would not compare Ruckus to Ubiquiti and Engenius. That is like comparing a Bobcat to a full blown Cat bulldozer. Sure they are considered mobile construction equipment to move large piles of heavy scraps but they serve completely different applications. It is better to compare Ruckus to Cisco, Meru, Aruba ect... When looking at the commercial grade products, Ruckus blows the competition out of the water. You can put together a low cost solution together with Engenius and Ubiquiti but support can be a nightmare and you will need to install, maintain and configure FAR more access points per square foot. Ruckus is a commercial grade product for commercial applications. When you look at that price point, Ruckus uses less APs and comes in much lower than the others. -Jeff Convergence Technologies There is a difference -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 11:27 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Good reliable b/g/n inside AP Ruckus is way more expensive then Engenius or Ubiquiti. I think the cheapest thing they have is ~$300. Gets pretty steep. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 12:22 PM, Jeff Ehman jeh...@cticonnect.com wrote: What do you mean by a Ruckus box? Their APs go from a couple hundred up to nearly 1k depending on the model. The controller starts just over 1k and goes up to over 20k. They have a wide portfolio. -Jeff Convergence Technologies There is a difference -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of D. Ryan Spott Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 11:11 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Good reliable b/g/n inside AP What is a Ruckus box running now-a-days? ryan On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 9:02 AM, Jeff Ehman jeh...@cticonnect.com wrote: Ruckus Wireless. Hands down. Their smart antenna array, price point and simple configuration/maintenance are unmatched. Plus, this pertains to larger projects but if their controller goes down all the APs still broadcast! The only functionality that goes away is support/maintenance but at least everyone can still get on the internet. -Jeff Convergence Technologies There is a difference -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jason Hensley Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 10:46 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] Good reliable b/g/n inside AP So many different things out on the market right now. What would you guys recommend for a reliable AP for use inside a conference room for a business requiring rock solid access? B/G would be OK, but would prefer to go ahead and have N as well. Thanks! WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Google Pac Man Survey Results
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tempest_%28arcade_game%29 I bet your thinking of Joust: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joust_%28video_game%29 Both were hours of fun! On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 3:51 PM, Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com wrote: So I took a survey and 39 of you responded with your answers. The first choice was Galaga and the Second Centepede. I appreciate your help, we will be integrating them into the Regional Meeting happening July 21/22. Thanks for your help in guiding our decisions. 1st Choice Game 2nd Choice 2 Pacman 3 11 Galaga 1 2 Gorf 0 2 Donkey Kong 1 2 Centepede 5 1 Asteroids 3 2 Asteroids Deluxe 0 1 Dig Dug 1 0 Space Invaders 1 0 Lunar Lander 0 2 Missle Command 2 1 Zork 0 2 Ms. Pacman 0 3 Frogger 2 2 Donkey Kong 2 1 1942 3 1 Defender 1 2 Zaxxon 0 1 Tron 1 Other notes: Zork was never a stand up game (oops), Galaxian (pre Galaga), Tempest (I remember that one, the flapping wings right?) Anyway, thanks for your help and filling out the survey, made for an interesting Friday. Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Google Pac Man Survey Results
That was another good one! This too: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tank_(arcade_game) On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 12:55 AM, Philip Dorr wirel...@judgementgaming.com wrote: I prefer http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battlezone_(1980_video_game) and its deriviatives I remember having Battlezone, Tempest, Asteroids, and Centepede installed on my Windows 3.1 computer. I need to see if I can find the disks they where on (hopefully they are not 5.25 inch, dead 3.5 inch disks, or lost/trashed) On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 11:39 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tempest_%28arcade_game%29 I bet your thinking of Joust: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joust_%28video_game%29 Both were hours of fun! On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 3:51 PM, Forbes Mercy forbes.me...@wabroadband.com wrote: So I took a survey and 39 of you responded with your answers. The first choice was Galaga and the Second Centepede. I appreciate your help, we will be integrating them into the Regional Meeting happening July 21/22. Thanks for your help in guiding our decisions. 1st Choice Game 2nd Choice 2 Pacman 3 11 Galaga 1 2 Gorf 0 2 Donkey Kong 1 2 Centepede 5 1 Asteroids 3 2 Asteroids Deluxe 0 1 Dig Dug 1 0 Space Invaders 1 0 Lunar Lander 0 2 Missle Command 2 1 Zork 0 2 Ms. Pacman 0 3 Frogger 2 2 Donkey Kong 2 1 1942 3 1 Defender 1 2 Zaxxon 0 1 Tron 1 Other notes: Zork was never a stand up game (oops), Galaxian (pre Galaga), Tempest (I remember that one, the flapping wings right?) Anyway, thanks for your help and filling out the survey, made for an interesting Friday. Forbes WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Newly open source BitTorrent protocol aims to unclog tubes
Too late for April Fools! http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2010/05/bittorrent-open-sources-new-protocol-implementation.ars BitTorrent Inc. has opened the source code of a new BitTorrent protocol that is designed to reduce network congestion. According to the developers, the uTP protocol will eliminate the need for ISPs to throttle BitTorrent traffic. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Free Public WiFi
Try Free Porn and see how many connect! On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 1:10 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: For fun I name all the private wifi routers to an SSID of Virus. The attempts to connect have dropped considerably. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 12:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Free Public WiFi ...a little OT, but, after being party to all the free craziness of Earthlink, etc. just the title Free Public Wi-Fi makes me break out in hives... Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:06 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Free Public WiFi I am embarrassed to ask here but I am going to anyway. I have some customers laptops that have been here lately with the Free Public WiFi ssid on them. I know that this is a Microsoft screw up on the Zero Wireless Connections. I have made the stations so that they can only connect to a AP in the future. But the Free Public WiFi SSID still shows up on the systems even when the Wireless card is turned off. I have removed all preferred SSIDs and still nothing. Any one know how to kill this out of a Win XP system. (without going to Linux) Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik routing/queing problem
I havent seen that on my RB1000. Do you have the ports locked down to a set rate? On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 1:16 PM, Kevin Sullivan kevin.sulli...@alyrica.net wrote: I think I have found a legitimate bug. I'm running an RB1000 that we put in service about 2 weeks ago (it replaced another RB1000 that was having similar problems). Here is what is going on: Linux router A - [ether1] RB1000 [ether3] --- Linux router B The RB1000 above is connected to the two hosts shown. Each link A RB1000 B has latency ~1ms. We are not using any Mikrotik wireless. A and B both know that they can reach each other through the RB1000 (thanks to OSPF). A and B are Linux routers. When I ping B from A (traffic going through the RB1000), I get no response. When I log into B and tcpdump traffic, I can see icmp echo request packets coming in from A, and echo reply packets going out to A. Fine. I then log into the RB1000 and packet sniff ether1 and ether3. ether1 packet sniff shows icmp request packets coming in. ether3 shows icmp request packets going out, and icmp reply packets coming in. However, the replies are not going out ether1. BUT after several minutes, A starts seeing replies. 64 bytes from x.x.x.x: icmp_seq=1049 ttl=63 time=671216 ms 64 bytes from x.x.x.x: icmp_seq=1095 ttl=63 time=628217 ms 64 bytes from x.x.x.x: icmp_seq=1142 ttl=63 time=584217 ms 64 bytes from x.x.x.x: icmp_seq=1188 ttl=63 time=541218 ms 64 bytes from x.x.x.x: icmp_seq=1235 ttl=63 time=497234 ms the RB1000 has been queuing my ICMP packets for ~500 seconds!! I STOP pinging from A and packet sniff ether1 on the RB1000 again. It is STILL sending out queued ICMP replies from A, even though I am not sending requests anymore. Several minutes after I stop pinging from A, the RB1000 stops sending replies on ether1. Clients have been complaining for months about slow speeds passing traffic through this router. I've also noticed high CPU utilization, even when normal CPU hungry tasks were turned off (one mangle rule, no queues, no proxy, no DNS, etc). During the day, we see 70-80% CPU utilization. The previous router (same config) went to 100% utilization, which is why we replaced it. Regards, Kevin WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Free Public WiFi
I woudlnt know but some say it costs to get the good stuff. On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 9:40 PM, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: Aren't the two synonymous? Greg On May 26, 2010, at 8:29 PM, RickG wrote: Try Free Porn and see how many connect! On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 1:10 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: For fun I name all the private wifi routers to an SSID of Virus. The attempts to connect have dropped considerably. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 12:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Free Public WiFi ...a little OT, but, after being party to all the free craziness of Earthlink, etc. just the title Free Public Wi-Fi makes me break out in hives... Patrick Leary Aperto Networks 813.426.4230 mobile -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 9:06 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Free Public WiFi I am embarrassed to ask here but I am going to anyway. I have some customers laptops that have been here lately with the Free Public WiFi ssid on them. I know that this is a Microsoft screw up on the Zero Wireless Connections. I have made the stations so that they can only connect to a AP in the future. But the Free Public WiFi SSID still shows up on the systems even when the Wireless card is turned off. I have removed all preferred SSIDs and still nothing. Any one know how to kill this out of a Win XP system. (without going to Linux) Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik routing/queing problem
Auto neg can cause problems. On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 1:51 AM, Kevin Sullivan kevin.sulli...@alyrica.net wrote: No, it's a gig link, set to auto neg. Kevin - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 6:55 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik routing/queing problem I havent seen that on my RB1000. Do you have the ports locked down to a set rate? On Wed, May 26, 2010 at 1:16 PM, Kevin Sullivan kevin.sulli...@alyrica.net wrote: I think I have found a legitimate bug. I'm running an RB1000 that we put in service about 2 weeks ago (it replaced another RB1000 that was having similar problems). Here is what is going on: Linux router A - [ether1] RB1000 [ether3] --- Linux router B The RB1000 above is connected to the two hosts shown. Each link A RB1000 B has latency ~1ms. We are not using any Mikrotik wireless. A and B both know that they can reach each other through the RB1000 (thanks to OSPF). A and B are Linux routers. When I ping B from A (traffic going through the RB1000), I get no response. When I log into B and tcpdump traffic, I can see icmp echo request packets coming in from A, and echo reply packets going out to A. Fine. I then log into the RB1000 and packet sniff ether1 and ether3. ether1 packet sniff shows icmp request packets coming in. ether3 shows icmp request packets going out, and icmp reply packets coming in. However, the replies are not going out ether1. BUT after several minutes, A starts seeing replies. 64 bytes from x.x.x.x: icmp_seq=1049 ttl=63 time=671216 ms 64 bytes from x.x.x.x: icmp_seq=1095 ttl=63 time=628217 ms 64 bytes from x.x.x.x: icmp_seq=1142 ttl=63 time=584217 ms 64 bytes from x.x.x.x: icmp_seq=1188 ttl=63 time=541218 ms 64 bytes from x.x.x.x: icmp_seq=1235 ttl=63 time=497234 ms the RB1000 has been queuing my ICMP packets for ~500 seconds!! I STOP pinging from A and packet sniff ether1 on the RB1000 again. It is STILL sending out queued ICMP replies from A, even though I am not sending requests anymore. Several minutes after I stop pinging from A, the RB1000 stops sending replies on ether1. Clients have been complaining for months about slow speeds passing traffic through this router. I've also noticed high CPU utilization, even when normal CPU hungry tasks were turned off (one mangle rule, no queues, no proxy, no DNS, etc). During the day, we see 70-80% CPU utilization. The previous router (same config) went to 100% utilization, which is why we replaced it. Regards, Kevin WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Becoming a Wisp
I kinda like finkle dinkle, it has a ring to it! Speaking of funny names: http://blogote.com/2008/resources/worlds-longest-domain-names-website-on-internet.html http://blogote.com/2008/technology/googles-funny-weird-surprising-domain-names.html On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 12:28 PM, Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com wrote: My first recommendation would be to legally change your name from Finkle Dinkle to something that sounds a little more business-like. I'd recommend something like Joe Smith or Bob Jones. finkle dinkle wrote: So, I've got space in a building in So. Cal with a lot of neighbors with crappy connections. In the beginning, I wanted to bring in a gig PTP from the datacenter 12 miles away... I'm not a salesman, I think with the bandwidth I have available at the DC + the of the PTP, I could've made everyone in the building happy, at least 20 tenants if I could convince them.. doubt I could. Anyway, I have potential access to the roof, I'd have to ask. Are there any laws if I want to sell service ? If I want to provide service to lets just say 50 clients (not in the building but through wireless), are there devices that dont have to rely on LOS ? I'm just trying to understand if this all went along well, how many devices would I need to mount up on the roof to support 20-50 clients externally with the devices and which devices.. I'm looking to sell the bandwidth for a relatively low price, undercut wimax and not strictly looking for profit but looking to be the point guy for other tech operations for these potential clients.. Also, to the people who have good access to bandwidth or even not.. how much are you looking at from all your cost to what you actually charge (not including administrative) but lets assume your bandwidth costs are 8k/month with the point to point to the datacenter + 1000mbit commit. I know I could do better but what are we looking at here, if the total cost to get the bandwidth, less the equipment to my office building at 8 bux a meg, how much should I be selling it ? any recommendations ? I do not want to be a company like towerstream where I sell 8 megs for 800/MRC, i'm looking to charge more like 25 bux per meg... Is my model right or wrong ? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Network Design - Technical Training - Technical Writing Serving the Broadband Wireless, Networking and Telecom Communities since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Becoming a Wisp
OrYou Dont Know Jack. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You_Don't_Know_Jack_(game) Whoops, back to the computer game Thread -- On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 1:12 PM, Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com wrote: Ungerton sounds very nice; it's right up there with Ungerville which is way ahead of Ungerberg. Unfortunately, Ungerstanding is already taken. To avoid confusion, you might want to consider a different first name... maybe Biff or Roger. finkle dinkle wrote: Thanks for the suggestion about changing my name, I'll be sure to download the forms, submit them and change my name to Jack Ungerton. Well, I know the capabilities of a NanoBridge M5 now as I've tested it for a friend but it was done for two buildings around 500 feet in distance. Is something as basic as a NanoBridge M5 doable or if you start getting into the commercial sector, do you start requiring better equipment ? I haven't been on a roof in a long time so I dont clearly remember what is visible from the top but I'm sure it's a lot. I just want to be able to provide decent pricing to the people and businesses here with symmetrical bandwidth. I haven't had time to figure out administrative costs and how I could provide support if there are any issues though. I would love to have something set up to provide service for a radius of a few miles but I'm not sure that's something I should be messing with. I pretty much am curious on if I were to sell a few hundred megs, what type of devices and how many devices at what cost will it be ? Thanks On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 9:33 AM, Randy Cosby dco...@infowest.com wrote: Sheesh you guys, you're scaring him AND making fun of his name. Welcome to the club :) -- Randy Cosby Vice President InfoWest, Inc 435-674-0165 x 2010 http://www.infowest.com/ As knowledge increases, the verdict of yesterday must be reversed today, and in the long run the most positive authority is the least to be trusted. - Hugh Nibley WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Network Design - Technical Training - Technical Writing Serving the Broadband Wireless, Networking and Telecom Communities since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Becoming a Wisp
Good list Jerry! I'd also recommend a good business plan in writing. Oh! 7. Are you prepared to get little sleep, give up most of your free time for at least the forst 2-3 months? You meant 2-3 years, correct? ;) On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 1:12 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: There are a few considerations to make before heading down this path. 1. What are you selling against? DSL, Cable, 3G, Satellite 2. What speeds are available via these services 3. What is your terrain like - trees, hills, valley, desert, etc 4. What is the max distance you are looking to cover - 1, 5, 10 miles? 5. What speeds do you want to deliver - 1.5, 3.0, 10, 20 Mbps 6. You said symmetrical speeds - why? Pretty uncommon for residential service 7. Are you prepared to get little sleep, give up most of your free time for at least the forst 2-3 months? 8. If you are doing this to break even, don't bother. You are only doing your customers a disservice because you will get tired/bored/sick of losing money and shut it down. 9. If you want to make this profitable, plan on trying to get some business customers - they are worth muvh more. Jerry -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of finkle dinkle Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 8:57 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Becoming a Wisp So, I've got space in a building in So. Cal with a lot of neighbors with crappy connections. In the beginning, I wanted to bring in a gig PTP from the datacenter 12 miles away... I'm not a salesman, I think with the bandwidth I have available at the DC + the of the PTP, I could've made everyone in the building happy, at least 20 tenants if I could convince them.. doubt I could. Anyway, I have potential access to the roof, I'd have to ask. Are there any laws if I want to sell service ? If I want to provide service to lets just say 50 clients (not in the building but through wireless), are there devices that dont have to rely on LOS ? I'm just trying to understand if this all went along well, how many devices would I need to mount up on the roof to support 20-50 clients externally with the devices and which devices.. I'm looking to sell the bandwidth for a relatively low price, undercut wimax and not strictly looking for profit but looking to be the point guy for other tech operations for these potential clients.. Also, to the people who have good access to bandwidth or even not.. how much are you looking at from all your cost to what you actually charge (not including administrative) but lets assume your bandwidth costs are 8k/month with the point to point to the datacenter + 1000mbit commit. I know I could do better but what are we looking at here, if the total cost to get the bandwidth, less the equipment to my office building at 8 bux a meg, how much should I be selling it ? any recommendations ? I do not want to be a company like towerstream where I sell 8 megs for 800/MRC, i'm looking to charge more like 25 bux per meg... Is my model right or wrong ? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Becoming a Wisp
Or BPL. On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 1:17 PM, Jeremie Chism jchi...@gmail.com wrote: I was thinking the same thing. Use a mini dslam on the free pairs to get Internet in the rooms. Ptp to the building and dsl to the customer. Sent from my iPhone On May 27, 2010, at 12:11 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just- micro.com wrote: Then you could provide the access via dsl in the building. That would be the logical route to go I think. -Richard -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of finkle dinkle Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 1:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Becoming a Wisp Justin, appreciate your suggestion. I've been looking around and will continue to. Josh, the gbit ptp will be done through fiber to the building, then whoever in the building wants service.. will pay set up to get set up with ethernet or fiber to my office. I know I could get enough business inside the building to cover half the cost of everything because I'm pretty sure there is a company here with quite a few T1's, overpaying and not getting what they deserve. I've always been a proponent of maxing stuff out so I will be a great benefit to the tenants. So if I'm able to set something up externally, I may be able to actually break even and profit some, I actually know I could profit but I want this to be more of a service to the people who are unable to get anything decent out here. Thanks On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 9:57 AM, Justin Wilson li...@mtin.net wrote: Nice introduction to the WISPA community. Make fun of the name. I even recommended this person check out WISPA from the Ubiquity forums. Anyhow, welcome. I would suggest reading through the archives for some good discussions on things. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog Wisp Consulting Tower Climbing Network Support From: Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 09:28:35 -0700 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Becoming a Wisp My first recommendation would be to legally change your name from Finkle Dinkle to something that sounds a little more business-like. I'd recommend something like Joe Smith or Bob Jones. finkle dinkle wrote: So, I've got space in a building in So. Cal with a lot of neighbors with crappy connections. In the beginning, I wanted to bring in a gig PTP from the datacenter 12 miles away... I'm not a salesman, I think with the bandwidth I have available at the DC + the of the PTP, I could've made everyone in the building happy, at least 20 tenants if I could convince them.. doubt I could. Anyway, I have potential access to the roof, I'd have to ask. Are there any laws if I want to sell service ? If I want to provide service to lets just say 50 clients (not in the building but through wireless), are there devices that dont have to rely on LOS ? I'm just trying to understand if this all went along well, how many devices would I need to mount up on the roof to support 20-50 clients externally with the devices and which devices.. I'm looking to sell the bandwidth for a relatively low price, undercut wimax and not strictly looking for profit but looking to be the point guy for other tech operations for these potential clients.. Also, to the people who have good access to bandwidth or even not.. how much are you looking at from all your cost to what you actually charge (not including administrative) but lets assume your bandwidth costs are 8k/month with the point to point to the datacenter + 1000mbit commit. I know I could do better but what are we looking at here, if the total cost to get the bandwidth, less the equipment to my office building at 8 bux a meg, how much should I be selling it ? any recommendations ? I do not want to be a company like towerstream where I sell 8 megs for 800/MRC, i'm looking to charge more like 25 bux per meg... Is my model right or wrong ? --- --- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Network Design - Technical Training - Technical Writing Serving the Broadband Wireless, Networking and Telecom Communities since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com --- --- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- -- WISPA Wireless List:
Re: [WISPA] Becoming a Wisp
It still exists but not the degree other methods of access do. While high medium voltage use is still an option in some places, I was actually referring to the in-building aspect of the network. There is some cool equipment for that use: http://www.corinex.com/in-building-solution-2.html http://motorola.wirelessbroadbandsupport.com/solutions/bpl/ -RickG On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 5:33 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: Thought BPL was dead -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 2:28 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Becoming a Wisp Or BPL. On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 1:17 PM, Jeremie Chism jchi...@gmail.com wrote: I was thinking the same thing. Use a mini dslam on the free pairs to get Internet in the rooms. Ptp to the building and dsl to the customer. Sent from my iPhone On May 27, 2010, at 12:11 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just- micro.com wrote: Then you could provide the access via dsl in the building. That would be the logical route to go I think. -Richard -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of finkle dinkle Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 1:08 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Becoming a Wisp Justin, appreciate your suggestion. I've been looking around and will continue to. Josh, the gbit ptp will be done through fiber to the building, then whoever in the building wants service.. will pay set up to get set up with ethernet or fiber to my office. I know I could get enough business inside the building to cover half the cost of everything because I'm pretty sure there is a company here with quite a few T1's, overpaying and not getting what they deserve. I've always been a proponent of maxing stuff out so I will be a great benefit to the tenants. So if I'm able to set something up externally, I may be able to actually break even and profit some, I actually know I could profit but I want this to be more of a service to the people who are unable to get anything decent out here. Thanks On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 9:57 AM, Justin Wilson li...@mtin.net wrote: Nice introduction to the WISPA community. Make fun of the name. I even recommended this person check out WISPA from the Ubiquity forums. Anyhow, welcome. I would suggest reading through the archives for some good discussions on things. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog Wisp Consulting Tower Climbing Network Support From: Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 09:28:35 -0700 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Becoming a Wisp My first recommendation would be to legally change your name from Finkle Dinkle to something that sounds a little more business-like. I'd recommend something like Joe Smith or Bob Jones. finkle dinkle wrote: So, I've got space in a building in So. Cal with a lot of neighbors with crappy connections. In the beginning, I wanted to bring in a gig PTP from the datacenter 12 miles away... I'm not a salesman, I think with the bandwidth I have available at the DC + the of the PTP, I could've made everyone in the building happy, at least 20 tenants if I could convince them.. doubt I could. Anyway, I have potential access to the roof, I'd have to ask. Are there any laws if I want to sell service ? If I want to provide service to lets just say 50 clients (not in the building but through wireless), are there devices that dont have to rely on LOS ? I'm just trying to understand if this all went along well, how many devices would I need to mount up on the roof to support 20-50 clients externally with the devices and which devices.. I'm looking to sell the bandwidth for a relatively low price, undercut wimax and not strictly looking for profit but looking to be the point guy for other tech operations for these potential clients.. Also, to the people who have good access to bandwidth or even not.. how much are you looking at from all your cost to what you actually charge (not including administrative) but lets assume your bandwidth costs are 8k/month with the point to point to the datacenter + 1000mbit commit. I know I could do better but what are we looking at here, if the total cost to get the bandwidth, less the equipment to my office building at 8 bux a meg, how much should I be selling it ? any recommendations ? I do not want to be a company like towerstream where I sell 8 megs for 800/MRC, i'm looking to charge more like 25 bux per meg... Is my model right or wrong ? --- --- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Becoming a Wisp
Is that what you told Rickeesha? :) On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 1:06 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: That's why I had to change my name from Richard Head. That last name was a curse on this list. Now I have a last name that gets me more respect. -Richard Face -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Justin Wilson Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2010 12:58 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Becoming a Wisp Nice introduction to the WISPA community. Make fun of the name. I even recommended this person check out WISPA from the Ubiquity forums. Anyhow, welcome. I would suggest reading through the archives for some good discussions on things. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog Wisp Consulting - Tower Climbing - Network Support From: Jack Unger jun...@ask-wi.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 09:28:35 -0700 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Becoming a Wisp My first recommendation would be to legally change your name from Finkle Dinkle to something that sounds a little more business-like. I'd recommend something like Joe Smith or Bob Jones. finkle dinkle wrote: So, I've got space in a building in So. Cal with a lot of neighbors with crappy connections. In the beginning, I wanted to bring in a gig PTP from the datacenter 12 miles away... I'm not a salesman, I think with the bandwidth I have available at the DC + the of the PTP, I could've made everyone in the building happy, at least 20 tenants if I could convince them.. doubt I could. Anyway, I have potential access to the roof, I'd have to ask. Are there any laws if I want to sell service ? If I want to provide service to lets just say 50 clients (not in the building but through wireless), are there devices that dont have to rely on LOS ? I'm just trying to understand if this all went along well, how many devices would I need to mount up on the roof to support 20-50 clients externally with the devices and which devices.. I'm looking to sell the bandwidth for a relatively low price, undercut wimax and not strictly looking for profit but looking to be the point guy for other tech operations for these potential clients.. Also, to the people who have good access to bandwidth or even not.. how much are you looking at from all your cost to what you actually charge (not including administrative) but lets assume your bandwidth costs are 8k/month with the point to point to the datacenter + 1000mbit commit. I know I could do better but what are we looking at here, if the total cost to get the bandwidth, less the equipment to my office building at 8 bux a meg, how much should I be selling it ? any recommendations ? I do not want to be a company like towerstream where I sell 8 megs for 800/MRC, i'm looking to charge more like 25 bux per meg... Is my model right or wrong ? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Network Design - Technical Training - Technical Writing Serving the Broadband Wireless, Networking and Telecom Communities since 1993 www.ask-wi.com 818-227-4220 jun...@ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/
[WISPA] taxes
Everyone's favorite subject :) I'm getting mixed information form my accountants on this and want to know what everyone else is doing. The basic question is this: Are you expensing or depreciating the equipment? Equipment being radios (AP CPE), antennas, switches, firewalls, etc. With the cost of the electronics being so low, its not making much sense to depreciate. Which takes me to a second question: Have any WISPs been audited by the IRS for this reason? Thanks in advance! -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] ROS on x86 - Backup Everything (system, config, license)?
I'm currently using an RB1000 but I've got two RB450's sitting on a shelf as backup. Just move the connection over an you're back up running! With the cost of equipment so low, why not? On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 12:22 PM, Data Technology w...@dtisp.com wrote: This is not the answer to your question but I use a compact flash card with an ide adapter instead of a hard drive. If something happens to the computer I can unplug the adapter and move it to another computer. It is also faster booting and more reliable than a hard drive. Greg Ihnen wrote: I've googled and searched and can't find an answer to this. I posted to the MT forum, but I thought I'd try here too. Thanks! I would like to know if it's possible to back up the entire RouterOS install including the license on an x86 installation. I have a computer on which I was using for RouterOS but have swapped it out for an RB750. I want to use the computer for other things (perhaps Astaro or Untangle) but I don't want to lose the RouterOS license, and I would also like to have the computer ready to go back in service with RouterOS should the RB750 fail (I lost one to lightning before adding lightning protection). Understand I am not trying to pirate RouterOS or do anything which is contrary to the terms of the license. I just want to use the machine for something else, with the possibility of reverting back to RouterOS if the RB750 which replaced it should fail. If I didn't live in the jungle of South America I'd run down to Best Buy and pick up another SATA hard drive and use that for the other OS. But I only have one drive so I'm looking at imaging the drive with RouterOS on it and keep t ha t image safe so I can use the hard drive for something else. Should this work? Any advice would be appreciated. Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Fast DNS cache
Was running Wildcat from '90-'92! Those were fun days! -RickG On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 12:23 PM, Butch Evans but...@butchevans.com wrote: On Thu, 2010-06-03 at 08:31 -0400, Jeremy Parr wrote: You can only count Wildcat if it was multinode. So I guess I'm WELL over 15 years, then. I ran a 10 line RA board from '88-'92. Well, it was 10 lines when I shut down in '92. I tried WildCat, but never really liked it. -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/ * Network Engineering * * http://store.wispgear.net/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] taxes
Travis, thanks for your input. I'm really looking for feedback as to what our industry's standard is. I submit that the IRS does not look at it as a personal, business choice. I'd rather do it correctly now than find out from the IRS I'm doing it wrong. On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 12:44 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: This is a personal, business choice. There is no set answer. Some of our equipment we expense and some we depreciate. It all depends on what tax breaks you need now vs. later. Travis Microserv RickG wrote: Everyone's favorite subject :) I'm getting mixed information form my accountants on this and want to know what everyone else is doing. The basic question is this: Are you expensing or depreciating the equipment? Equipment being radios (AP CPE), antennas, switches, firewalls, etc. With the cost of the electronics being so low, its not making much sense to depreciate. Which takes me to a second question: Have any WISPs been audited by the IRS for this reason? Thanks in advance! -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] taxes
Listen, I'm not trying to be argumentative about this. I've always believed as Travis that it is your choice. But, the feedback I'm getting are that things are changing VERY QUICKLY with respect to how the IRS is viewing issues such as this since our government is in desperate need for more revenue. Beware, the kinda, gentler IRS is no more! I've spoken to a couple of CPA's about this. They are warning me that ALL equipment utilized in providing service should be depreciated - expensing it is sending a red flag to the IRS. My concern is that since this is another grey area in our tax law, that is truly does not give us a choice but rather gives the IRS options in order to deal with you as they see fit. Therefore, I prefer to get some feedback that WISP's are in fact expensing their equipment, especially CPE, so as to establish some kind of feeling for an industry standard. -RickG On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 3:05 PM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net wrote: I am not sure what exactly you are concerned about What Travis shared with you is accurate As a business owner, the tax law allows you the choice.IRS does not dictate one or the otherif done correctly both are within the scope of the Law Regards Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, Fl 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net On 6/3/2010 2:55 PM, RickG wrote: Travis, thanks for your input. I'm really looking for feedback as to what our industry's standard is. I submit that the IRS does not look at it as a personal, business choice. I'd rather do it correctly now than find out from the IRS I'm doing it wrong. On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 12:44 PM, Travis Johnsont...@ida.net wrote: This is a personal, business choice. There is no set answer. Some of our equipment we expense and some we depreciate. It all depends on what tax breaks you need now vs. later. Travis Microserv RickG wrote: Everyone's favorite subject :) I'm getting mixed information form my accountants on this and want to know what everyone else is doing. The basic question is this: Are you expensing or depreciating the equipment? Equipment being radios (AP CPE), antennas, switches, firewalls, etc. With the cost of the electronics being so low, its not making much sense to depreciate. Which takes me to a second question: Have any WISPs been audited by the IRS for this reason? Thanks in advance! -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] taxes
Thats my point - there are no guidelines. The IRS makes the rules! From what I can tell, the only way to fight the IRS is to use industry standards. Hence, my question. With equipment (radios, antennas, etc) being so cheap, it no longer makes sense to depreciate it. Of course it does with vehicles and other high dollar items. I continue to get feedback from the CPA's I speak with that you MUST. At least I'm not the only one shocked at this! On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 3:05 PM, Jason Hensley ja...@jaggartech.com wrote: I think that is Travis' point though - is that there are no set guidelines on what to do. From my understanding, and to put in very simple terms, to expense the equipment means that you take the entire possible deduction for that equipment immediately. To depreciate it means that over time (be it 2,3,5,10 years, etc) you take the entire possible deduction. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong on this though. We're like Travis - some things we expense, some we depreciate. Most of our wireless equipment we expense out, but stuff like our vehicles, towers, etc, we will typically depreciate so that we can maximize the potential taxes on those items. I would think that a good accountant would not say you HAVE to expense it all or that you HAVE to depreciate it all. I would think that they would look at your situation and do whatever maximizes the use of the equipment to lower your tax liability. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 1:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] taxes Travis, thanks for your input. I'm really looking for feedback as to what our industry's standard is. I submit that the IRS does not look at it as a personal, business choice. I'd rather do it correctly now than find out from the IRS I'm doing it wrong. On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 12:44 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: This is a personal, business choice. There is no set answer. Some of our equipment we expense and some we depreciate. It all depends on what tax breaks you need now vs. later. Travis Microserv RickG wrote: Everyone's favorite subject :) I'm getting mixed information form my accountants on this and want to know what everyone else is doing. The basic question is this: Are you expensing or depreciating the equipment? Equipment being radios (AP CPE), antennas, switches, firewalls, etc. With the cost of the electronics being so low, its not making much sense to depreciate. Which takes me to a second question: Have any WISPs been audited by the IRS for this reason? Thanks in advance! -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] taxes
What are you doing with CPE? On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 3:25 PM, Marco Coelho coelh...@gmail.com wrote: Most companies have a mix. We lease some equipment. This allows for a monthly right off at 100% of your monthly payment. Long term investment items like Vehicles, Towers, Property get depreciated. The length of the depreciation depends on the type of asset. Property / Buildings fall under 30yr. Other items are shorter. It is perfectly normal to have your assets handled differently. You just have to keep it straight and consistent. Marco WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] taxes
Size matters :) On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 6:24 PM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: My accountant says expense it all... but I'm small enough I have that much discretionary expense allowance. ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ -- From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 9:24 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] taxes Everyone's favorite subject :) I'm getting mixed information form my accountants on this and want to know what everyone else is doing. The basic question is this: Are you expensing or depreciating the equipment? Equipment being radios (AP CPE), antennas, switches, firewalls, etc. With the cost of the electronics being so low, its not making much sense to depreciate. Which takes me to a second question: Have any WISPs been audited by the IRS for this reason? Thanks in advance! -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] taxes
AFAIK, our business is very typical for a small WISP. Some further background: For the past few years, I've had a good friend do our taxes. He is a Comptroller for a large company and has become too busy to continue. Hence, the reason for my new concerns in my search for a good CPA. Apparently, I'm just running into very conservative CPA's. My friend who owned a WISP at one time disagrees with these CPA's and says he would continue to expense it. I'm just looking for some support to the idea. Thanks to all for your comments! -RickG On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 6:54 PM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net wrote: I figured there was some thing behind your question.. I know , below you are conveying what a CPA is telling you... but I think there is some context missing here I am not a CPA, so I am also going to using some simple language to put some context arround this.. Most of us who are replying back to you about expensing purchases are referring to what is knows as 'Section 179 Expense' Best Explanation is from the IRS it self... http://www.irs.gov/formspubs/article/0,,id=177054,00.html Needless to say there are some 'stipulations' for 'qualifying businesses'. I would be very much interested to hear / know the reasoning behind what the CPA's are telling you. While I agree that all Government Entities Local/State or Federal are desperately looking for money, but that does not come at the expense of a 'reversal' of what an existing law at will by an agency or it's workers. There has to be some basis for it .. Regards Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, Fl 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net On 6/3/2010 4:52 PM, RickG wrote: Listen, I'm not trying to be argumentative about this. I've always believed as Travis that it is your choice. But, the feedback I'm getting are that things are changing VERY QUICKLY with respect to how the IRS is viewing issues such as this since our government is in desperate need for more revenue. Beware, the kinda, gentler IRS is no more! I've spoken to a couple of CPA's about this. They are warning me that ALL equipment utilized in providing service should be depreciated - expensing it is sending a red flag to the IRS. My concern is that since this is another grey area in our tax law, that is truly does not give us a choice but rather gives the IRS options in order to deal with you as they see fit. Therefore, I prefer to get some feedback that WISP's are in fact expensing their equipment, especially CPE, so as to establish some kind of feeling for an industry standard. -RickG On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 3:05 PM, Faisal Imtiazfai...@snappydsl.net wrote: I am not sure what exactly you are concerned about What Travis shared with you is accurate As a business owner, the tax law allows you the choice.IRS does not dictate one or the otherif done correctly both are within the scope of the Law Regards Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, Fl 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net On 6/3/2010 2:55 PM, RickG wrote: Travis, thanks for your input. I'm really looking for feedback as to what our industry's standard is. I submit that the IRS does not look at it as a personal, business choice. I'd rather do it correctly now than find out from the IRS I'm doing it wrong. On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 12:44 PM, Travis Johnsont...@ida.net wrote: This is a personal, business choice. There is no set answer. Some of our equipment we expense and some we depreciate. It all depends on what tax breaks you need now vs. later. Travis Microserv RickG wrote: Everyone's favorite subject :) I'm getting mixed information form my accountants on this and want to know what everyone else is doing. The basic question is this: Are you expensing or depreciating the equipment? Equipment being radios (AP CPE), antennas, switches, firewalls, etc. With the cost of the electronics being so low, its not making much sense to depreciate. Which takes me to a second question: Have any WISPs been audited by the IRS for this reason? Thanks in advance! -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Leasing Companies
Travis, I surprised you didnt mention: Taycor Financial -An Inc 500 Company- 6100 Center Drive, Suite 710 Los Angeles, CA 90045 Direct: (310) 895-7717, Fax: (310) 568-9922 dolyn...@taycor.com, www.taycor.com On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 7:10 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: Be prepared to sign over your company to them if you use them for anything. :( Travis Layne Sisk wrote: Here is a leasing guy. We don't lease from him but he provides leasing to several of the WISPs that we support. Not cheap but he has money to lend out. Bill MacNamara Vice President Agility Ventures 101 E. Gurley, Ste. 202 Prescott, AZ 86301 928.541.0771 Office 928.541.0773 Fax 928.970.1340 Mobile www.agilityventures.com If you need more info let me know. -Layne Layne Sisk www.ServerPlus.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marco Coelho Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 1:26 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Leasing Companies Anyone working with some decent leasing companies? We're growing faster than our current leasing companies can support. Marco WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Impatient man's PowerBridgeM5 clone available today.
Very nice Tom! On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 10:34 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: The specs of the New PowerBridgeM5 had been publisized, but not yet available at distributors. For those like me that are impatience, we came up with the next best thing. The Home Brew Power Bridge! We found that the ArcWireless Gen2 enclosure matched with a Rocket makes a great PTP link, similar to the New PowerBridgeM5. The ArCWireless 24db Dual pol panel w/ RSMA is available for about $135, and has excellent specs, boasting almost 40db of isolation between pol connectors. The Gen2 back enclosure is required in order to connect a mount to the antenna, which adds about another $35, but its a really nice swivel mount, and the enclosure adds some extra F/B isolation for the Rocket radio itself (made of plastic). The Rocket MIMO is good to use, not only because the $90 price tag, but because the Ubiquiti N radios lead the industry with up to 27db of TX power in 5.x. Even in highest modulation, a full 22db is possible. If we do the math, this will allow a 15 panel antenna to be used to acheive the same TX power that alternative radio brnads may require a 2ft dish to acheive. (Thus conserving space on poles, and improving cosmetic appeal). We learned a Dremel w/ appropriate bit can cut the Gen2 case easilly. We trace the Rocket shape along the bottom, and cut out a hole to match that lets the Rocket slide right through snug. BUT, the Rocket's pole mount clips are PERFECTLY SPACED, so that when it slides in the hole, the brackets keep the rocket from sliding to far through. It allows the rocket to slide just far enough so that the RSSI LEDs can be seen outside the Gen2 enclosure, and Just enough so the ETH access panel can be removed for maintenance and connection. All the RF connectors are safe and sound inside the enclosure out of weather harm's way. The new V5.2 firmware really hums along nicely. I am quite impressed with the quality and speed of this configuration. Click this link to see the pictures. http://www.rapiddsl.net/arc-rocket-inside.jpg http://www.rapiddsl.net/arc-rocket-outside.jpg Unfortuntately, I'm scare to death to use it for anything to critical, because if noise is unexpectedly experienced on one of the two polarities, I've been told that there is no way to disable one of the polarities, if one develops interference. It can be tough finding 5.8 channels that are free on both Pols. But uniquely, Ubiquiti does support MIMO on as low as 5Mhz channel widths, and allows setting offset center frequencies, to have more options to try to find channels that is interference free on both pols. In this case, I'm using the Rocket as the primary link to increase capacity. Then I have a backup Trango Radio link. So if the PRimary has interference that cant be resolved, I can switch to the backup, until I have time to make the truck roll to the cell site to physically disconnect or swap one of the Internal cables/ polarities. (I dont trust the automatic self disable) But for me, it was a good way to get some temp speed, until I can afford the upgrade to licensed. Its a 15mile link. Quick note, we also had done some more MIkrotik MIMO testing. We like the newer MIkrotik N card, that is HP. Its the one with MMCX connectors. It also has a nice metal Shield around the RF circuitry. It adds a lot more TX power. Its still about 3db less power than the Ubiquiti N radios, but its a step up from the original MIktoik card that was 5 db or so less. I'm mentioning this because whe nwe retested with the newer model HP mikrotikcard, we did infact get cleaner radio links. Not tons better, but we did pickup about 3mbps of capacity, comparatively to the older MT card. We also picked up a tad bit better TCP throughput through the radio link laptop to laptop. I think it was because the RF had less packet loss/self noise, because the better made shielded card. We have not been able to get the MT to pass as much capacity as the Ubiquiti yet, but we are still working on it. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc 301-515-7774 IntAirNet - Fixed Wireless Broadband WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives:
Re: [WISPA] taxes
Oh, another surprise viewpoint from the latest CPA - He says we should depreciate the installation labor! Maybe I need to look for a CPA in another city! On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 6:24 PM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: My accountant says expense it all... but I'm small enough I have that much discretionary expense allowance. ++ Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy 541-969-8200 509-386-4589 ++ -- From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 9:24 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] taxes Everyone's favorite subject :) I'm getting mixed information form my accountants on this and want to know what everyone else is doing. The basic question is this: Are you expensing or depreciating the equipment? Equipment being radios (AP CPE), antennas, switches, firewalls, etc. With the cost of the electronics being so low, its not making much sense to depreciate. Which takes me to a second question: Have any WISPs been audited by the IRS for this reason? Thanks in advance! -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] taxes
Thanks again for all the replies! Since I didnt get anyone telling me NOT to expense the equipment I'm assuming there is no issue with that. On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 1:32 AM, Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com wrote: As a PC auditor for a rather large customer, this customer is doing over $10 million in revenue per year, their PAID accountants recommend that anything less than a $1,000 be expenses and anything over be depreciated. Their accountants are from a VERY large accountant firm, but anyways, you can take that with a grain of salt. BTW, I am under a NDA. Scottie AFAIK, our business is very typical for a small WISP. Some further background: For the past few years, I've had a good friend do our taxes. He is a Comptroller for a large company and has become too busy to continue. Hence, the reason for my new concerns in my search for a good CPA. Apparently, I'm just running into very conservative CPA's. My friend who owned a WISP at one time disagrees with these CPA's and says he would continue to expense it. I'm just looking for some support to the idea. Thanks to all for your comments! -RickG On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 6:54 PM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net wrote: I figured there was some thing behind your question.. I know , below you are conveying what a CPA is telling you... but I think there is some context missing here I am not a CPA, so I am also going to using some simple language to put some context arround this.. Most of us who are replying back to you about expensing purchases are referring to what is knows as 'Section 179 Expense' Best Explanation is from the IRS it self... http://www.irs.gov/formspubs/article/0,,id=177054,00.html Needless to say there are some 'stipulations' for 'qualifying businesses'. I would be very much interested to hear / know the reasoning behind what the CPA's are telling you. While I agree that all Government Entities Local/State or Federal are desperately looking for money, but that does not come at the expense of a 'reversal' of what an existing law at will by an agency or it's workers. There has to be some basis for it .. Regards Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, Fl 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net On 6/3/2010 4:52 PM, RickG wrote: Listen, I'm not trying to be argumentative about this. I've always believed as Travis that it is your choice. But, the feedback I'm getting are that things are changing VERY QUICKLY with respect to how the IRS is viewing issues such as this since our government is in desperate need for more revenue. Beware, the kinda, gentler IRS is no more! I've spoken to a couple of CPA's about this. They are warning me that ALL equipment utilized in providing service should be depreciated - expensing it is sending a red flag to the IRS. My concern is that since this is another grey area in our tax law, that is truly does not give us a choice but rather gives the IRS options in order to deal with you as they see fit. Therefore, I prefer to get some feedback that WISP's are in fact expensing their equipment, especially CPE, so as to establish some kind of feeling for an industry standard. -RickG On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 3:05 PM, Faisal Imtiazfai...@snappydsl.net wrote: I am not sure what exactly you are concerned about What Travis shared with you is accurate As a business owner, the tax law allows you the choice.IRS does not dictate one or the otherif done correctly both are within the scope of the Law Regards Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, Fl 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net On 6/3/2010 2:55 PM, RickG wrote: Travis, thanks for your input. I'm really looking for feedback as to what our industry's standard is. I submit that the IRS does not look at it as a personal, business choice. I'd rather do it correctly now than find out from the IRS I'm doing it wrong. On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 12:44 PM, Travis Johnsont...@ida.net wrote: This is a personal, business choice. There is no set answer. Some of our equipment we expense and some we depreciate. It all depends on what tax breaks you need now vs. later. Travis Microserv RickG wrote: Everyone's favorite subject :) I'm getting mixed information form my accountants on this and want to know what everyone else is doing. The basic question is this: Are you expensing or depreciating the equipment? Equipment being radios (AP CPE), antennas, switches, firewalls, etc. With the cost of the electronics being so low, its not making much sense to depreciate. Which takes me to a second question: Have any WISPs been audited by the IRS for this reason? Thanks in advance! -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join
Re: [WISPA] FCC Seeks Volunteers to Test Broadband Speed
I think the FCC just wants to get people in a frenzy thinking they're getting ripped off so they'll support them more. Now people are going to whine because they dont get what they pay for. Too bad most arent educated enough to know the difference between on net and off net and shared bandwidth versus dedicated bandwidth. They think they get a T1 for $50/month! On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 5:13 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Interesting. Ya know, around here Time Warner directs everyone with a speed issue to test on their nice and conveniently linked on their webpage, speed test server. You can bet it will show your full contracted speeds every time. But... Try hitting something outside of their network. With that logic I could advertise 100mbps speeds Within Network Anyhow, found it funny that the FCC has to get people to do actual speed checks for them. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marco Coelho Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 4:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] FCC Seeks Volunteers to Test Broadband Speed http://news.yahoo.com/s/pcworld/20100602/tc_pcworld/fccseeksvolunteerstotest broadbandspeed;_ylt=Arhu..hHz12SV_hi0p6UUMD6VbIF;_ylu=X3oDMTNpdjc4NThzBGFzc2 V0A3Bjd29ybGQvMjAxMDA2MDIvZmNjc2Vla3N2b2x1bnRlZXJzdG90ZXN0YnJvYWRiYW5kc3BlZW QEcG9zAzExBHNlYwN5bl9wYWdpbmF0ZV9zdW1tYXJ5X2xpc3QEc2xrA2ZjY3NlZWtzdm9sdQ-- -- Marco C. Coelho Argon Technologies Inc. POB 875 Greenville, TX 75403-0875 903-455-5036 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] BulletM2 and NanostationM5 won't talk on ethernet when forced to 100Mbps full duplex
Did a crossover cable fix it? http://ubnt.com/forum/showthread.php?t=18882 On Sat, Jun 5, 2010 at 5:56 PM, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: Actually no. Turns out that's the port that has nothing else but the POE injector connected. The search goes on. Greg On Jun 5, 2010, at 4:27 PM, Michael Baird wrote: Sounds like you found the issue. Regards Michael Baird I started using ethtool and backing up through the chain of gear back to the router. At one box I'm getting this. Instead of a speed it's saying Unknown!(0). and it's only negotiated half duplex. XM.v5.2# ethtool eth0_real Settings for eth0_real: Supported ports: [ TP MII ] Supported link modes: 10baseT/Half 10baseT/Full 100baseT/Half 100baseT/Full Supports auto-negotiation: Yes Advertised link modes: 10baseT/Half 10baseT/Full 100baseT/Half 100baseT/Full Advertised auto-negotiation: Yes Speed: Unknown! (0) Duplex: Half Port: MII PHYAD: 4 Transceiver: internal Auto-negotiation: on Current message level: 0x (0) Link detected: no On Jun 5, 2010, at 4:00 PM, Michael Baird wrote: Try ifconfig first, Ubiquiti doesn't call their interfaces eth0 and eth1, they call them eth0_real and eth1_real. Regards Michael Baird I read a bit about ethtool and then gave it a shot but this was all I got. I iterated through eth0 through eth12 and got nothing. XM.v5.2# ethtool eth0 Settings for eth0: Cannot get device settings: No such device Cannot get wake-on-lan settings: No such device Cannot get message level: No such device Cannot get link status: No such device No data available XM.v5.2# ethtool eth1 Settings for eth1: Cannot get device settings: No such device Cannot get wake-on-lan settings: No such device Cannot get message level: No such device Cannot get link status: No such device No data available XM.v5.2# ethtool eth2 Settings for eth2: Cannot get device settings: No such device Cannot get wake-on-lan settings: No such device Cannot get message level: No such device Cannot get link status: No such device No data available On Jun 5, 2010, at 1:50 PM, Michael Baird wrote: They are linux based. Use ethtoolinterface Regards Michael Baird I have a BulletM2 and a NanostationM5 back to back (the bullet's ethernet port is connected to the NanostationM5's secondary port. The NanostationM5 is doing POE pass through and powering the BulletM2. The NanostationM5 the BulletM2 is connected to is the far end of a pair of NanostationM5's acting as a backhaul. I've had some intermittent problems on the network and I wanted to rule out a flaky ethernet cable or connection so I decided to disable auto negotiate on the ethernet port and to force 100Mbps full duplex to see if the problem could be exacerbated to help locate it. When I force the BulletM2 and NanostationM5 to 100Mbps full duplex connectivity between them is lost. I thought good, I've got a bad cable so I replaced the cable. Still no good. Tried another. Still no good. The units are close together and connected together with a 6' cable. After trying various cables I still can't get forced 100Mbps full duplex to work. With 100Mbps full dup forced there is no connectivity, not even ping. If I revert to auto negotiate they connect fine. I'm assuming they are connecting at 100Mbps and probably full duplex because if I run a speed test from the BulletM2 to the far NanostationM5 (data path is from the BulletM2 through the ethernet cable to the close NanostationM5, then across the wireless connection (AirMax, no ptp ack) to the far NanostationM5) I'm seeing speeds of 95Mbps both directions with a combined speed of double that so it seems like things are running very well in both directions simultaneously. Is there any way through SSH or scripting to get the UBNT gear to report what speed has been negotiated on the ethernet port using auto negociate? Could this be a bug in the firmware? Thanks! Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] BulletM2 and NanostationM5 won't talk on ethernet when forced to 100Mbps full duplex
Interesting - My NSM5 shows connected @ 100Mbps/Full but my DLink router shows it @ 100Mbps/Half. It is set for Full/Auto. Running 5.2. Thoughts? On Sat, Jun 5, 2010 at 4:30 PM, Michael Baird m...@tc3net.com wrote: Try ifconfig first, Ubiquiti doesn't call their interfaces eth0 and eth1, they call them eth0_real and eth1_real. Regards Michael Baird I read a bit about ethtool and then gave it a shot but this was all I got. I iterated through eth0 through eth12 and got nothing. XM.v5.2# ethtool eth0 Settings for eth0: Cannot get device settings: No such device Cannot get wake-on-lan settings: No such device Cannot get message level: No such device Cannot get link status: No such device No data available XM.v5.2# ethtool eth1 Settings for eth1: Cannot get device settings: No such device Cannot get wake-on-lan settings: No such device Cannot get message level: No such device Cannot get link status: No such device No data available XM.v5.2# ethtool eth2 Settings for eth2: Cannot get device settings: No such device Cannot get wake-on-lan settings: No such device Cannot get message level: No such device Cannot get link status: No such device No data available On Jun 5, 2010, at 1:50 PM, Michael Baird wrote: They are linux based. Use ethtoolinterface Regards Michael Baird I have a BulletM2 and a NanostationM5 back to back (the bullet's ethernet port is connected to the NanostationM5's secondary port. The NanostationM5 is doing POE pass through and powering the BulletM2. The NanostationM5 the BulletM2 is connected to is the far end of a pair of NanostationM5's acting as a backhaul. I've had some intermittent problems on the network and I wanted to rule out a flaky ethernet cable or connection so I decided to disable auto negotiate on the ethernet port and to force 100Mbps full duplex to see if the problem could be exacerbated to help locate it. When I force the BulletM2 and NanostationM5 to 100Mbps full duplex connectivity between them is lost. I thought good, I've got a bad cable so I replaced the cable. Still no good. Tried another. Still no good. The units are close together and connected together with a 6' cable. After trying various cables I still can't get forced 100Mbps full duplex to work. With 100Mbps full dup forced there is no connectivity, not even ping. If I revert to auto negotiate they connect fine. I'm assuming they are connecting at 100Mbps and probably full duplex because if I run a speed test from the BulletM2 to the far NanostationM5 (data path is from the BulletM2 through the ethernet cable to the close NanostationM5, then across the wireless connection (AirMax, no ptp ack) to the far NanostationM5) I'm seeing speeds of 95Mbps both directions with a combined speed of double that so it seems like things are running very well in both directions simultaneously. Is there any way through SSH or scripting to get the UBNT gear to report what speed has been negotiated on the ethernet port using auto negociate? Could this be a bug in the firmware? Thanks! Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:
Re: [WISPA] BulletM2 and NanostationM5 won't talk on ethernet when forced to 100Mbps full duplex
I just did some tests with my setup (radio, router, laptop). It ONLY likes the port set to AUTO. Anything else causes it to disconnect or act flaky. You might still need the crossover though as I didnt test between 2 radios. Of course you could use a switch if no crossover is available. On Sat, Jun 5, 2010 at 7:22 PM, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: I'm going to try that when I find one. I have one here somewhere but haven't found it yet. I could make one but I don't have many RJ45s and since I'm in the jungle I don't want to blow them on something that's not a necessity. I do believe if I had the cross over cable then I could force the speed and duplex if I wanted to. I was doing it more as a diagnostic tool (I don't have a cable tester). But it does seem like the problem I was having was just a loose connection as having reseated them seems to have fixed the problem. I've been running an extended ping session from one end of the network to the other (I'm up to over 2300 packets) and still not one lost. Greg On Jun 5, 2010, at 6:44 PM, RickG wrote: Did a crossover cable fix it? http://ubnt.com/forum/showthread.php?t=18882 On Sat, Jun 5, 2010 at 5:56 PM, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: Actually no. Turns out that's the port that has nothing else but the POE injector connected. The search goes on. Greg On Jun 5, 2010, at 4:27 PM, Michael Baird wrote: Sounds like you found the issue. Regards Michael Baird I started using ethtool and backing up through the chain of gear back to the router. At one box I'm getting this. Instead of a speed it's saying Unknown!(0). and it's only negotiated half duplex. XM.v5.2# ethtool eth0_real Settings for eth0_real: Supported ports: [ TP MII ] Supported link modes: 10baseT/Half 10baseT/Full 100baseT/Half 100baseT/Full Supports auto-negotiation: Yes Advertised link modes: 10baseT/Half 10baseT/Full 100baseT/Half 100baseT/Full Advertised auto-negotiation: Yes Speed: Unknown! (0) Duplex: Half Port: MII PHYAD: 4 Transceiver: internal Auto-negotiation: on Current message level: 0x (0) Link detected: no On Jun 5, 2010, at 4:00 PM, Michael Baird wrote: Try ifconfig first, Ubiquiti doesn't call their interfaces eth0 and eth1, they call them eth0_real and eth1_real. Regards Michael Baird I read a bit about ethtool and then gave it a shot but this was all I got. I iterated through eth0 through eth12 and got nothing. XM.v5.2# ethtool eth0 Settings for eth0: Cannot get device settings: No such device Cannot get wake-on-lan settings: No such device Cannot get message level: No such device Cannot get link status: No such device No data available XM.v5.2# ethtool eth1 Settings for eth1: Cannot get device settings: No such device Cannot get wake-on-lan settings: No such device Cannot get message level: No such device Cannot get link status: No such device No data available XM.v5.2# ethtool eth2 Settings for eth2: Cannot get device settings: No such device Cannot get wake-on-lan settings: No such device Cannot get message level: No such device Cannot get link status: No such device No data available On Jun 5, 2010, at 1:50 PM, Michael Baird wrote: They are linux based. Use ethtoolinterface Regards Michael Baird I have a BulletM2 and a NanostationM5 back to back (the bullet's ethernet port is connected to the NanostationM5's secondary port. The NanostationM5 is doing POE pass through and powering the BulletM2. The NanostationM5 the BulletM2 is connected to is the far end of a pair of NanostationM5's acting as a backhaul. I've had some intermittent problems on the network and I wanted to rule out a flaky ethernet cable or connection so I decided to disable auto negotiate on the ethernet port and to force 100Mbps full duplex to see if the problem could be exacerbated to help locate it. When I force the BulletM2 and NanostationM5 to 100Mbps full duplex connectivity between them is lost. I thought good, I've got a bad cable so I replaced the cable. Still no good. Tried another. Still no good. The units are close together and connected together with a 6' cable. After trying various cables I still can't get forced 100Mbps full duplex to work. With 100Mbps full dup forced there is no connectivity, not even ping. If I revert to auto negotiate they connect fine. I'm assuming they are connecting at 100Mbps and probably full duplex because if I run a speed test from the BulletM2 to the far NanostationM5 (data path is from the BulletM2 through the ethernet cable to the close NanostationM5, then across the wireless connection (AirMax, no ptp ack) to the far NanostationM5) I'm seeing speeds of 95Mbps both directions with a combined speed of double that so it seems like things are running very well in both
Re: [WISPA] Repeater
Depending on needs, you could use a Pico for the AP, then no antenna. On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 10:46 AM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: Thanks Chuck you also forgot $100 for Antennas on the MT system. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Chuck Hogg Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 10:38 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Repeater Steve: I don't think you're going to get much cheaper than what you said below, but here's a try. Nanostation M/Nanostation Loco M for the AP, Bullet/Nano for the Backhaul. The Nanostation M's have a software enabled POE 2nd port. Run one cable up, then Port 2 POE to the Bullet. Choose your antennas. MSRP 2 x Nano's = $160 2x R52 radios = $80 1 x RB/433 = $99 $180 With the MT you will need a case and pigtails...making it more expensive even more. Regards, Chuck Hogg Shelby Broadband 502-722-9292 ch...@shelbybb.com http://www.shelbybb.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Steve Barnes Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 10:01 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Repeater I have avoided repeaters like the plague but I have a situation where I have one and I am looking for a better option. When I started my wisp I was 100% Tranzeo. At this one location I setup a CPE connected to a TR-6000 that has 2 Ethernet ports that pass through POE. I ran 1 Ethernet up the tower with a POE at the bottom, and a crossover in between. I would like a similar layout for other locations. Issue I see is that not many other units, UBNT or MT have a 2nd Ethernet that pass through POE? How does everyone you get around this? Trying to stay cheaper than a RB433, 2 radios, and 2- antennas, box, pigtails, 2 LMR cables. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] legal entity type - was taxes
Its tempting to use a known CPA that is versed in our industry but I've had issues dealing with those out of state. With that said, I'm curious as to feedback on another issue. Who here is doing business as a sole proprietor? I've been an S-Corp for years but considering switching back due to its simplicity. This Corp stuff doesnt seem worth all the hassle. Thanks! On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 12:05 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: I'm with Travis on this one. Sometimes we take the entire hit at once, other times we spread it out. It kind of depends on what we need for deductions and what the equipment is. Our accountant has taken a lot of time to learn this industry and is really good. The phone number is 509.982.2922 if anyone is looking for a good one. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 11:55 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] taxes Travis, thanks for your input. I'm really looking for feedback as to what our industry's standard is. I submit that the IRS does not look at it as a personal, business choice. I'd rather do it correctly now than find out from the IRS I'm doing it wrong. On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 12:44 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: This is a personal, business choice. There is no set answer. Some of our equipment we expense and some we depreciate. It all depends on what tax breaks you need now vs. later. Travis Microserv RickG wrote: Everyone's favorite subject :) I'm getting mixed information form my accountants on this and want to know what everyone else is doing. The basic question is this: Are you expensing or depreciating the equipment? Equipment being radios (AP CPE), antennas, switches, firewalls, etc. With the cost of the electronics being so low, its not making much sense to depreciate. Which takes me to a second question: Have any WISPs been audited by the IRS for this reason? Thanks in advance! -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] legal entity type - was taxes
I agree which is why I did S-Corp from the start. But then again, I own nothing, so NO risk! Furthermore, I hear that the corporate veil can be pierced if you do the work. Its just disheartening how much crud you have to do to run a business (besides the actual business). Thanks for the input! On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 1:53 PM, Glenn Kelley gl...@hostmedic.com wrote: Rick Sole Proprietor has its own back of nuttiness. You and everything you own is on the line. I have been there and it is far from fun. In short - you simply don't want someone having an issue and you loosing your home, car - etc over it. Thus the reason after I lost my shirt once - I will never do a sole proprietorship EVER. in my humble opinion - they should be illegal - because many just dont know the difference and assume it has a safety net. Glenn On Jun 7, 2010, at 1:43 PM, RickG wrote: Its tempting to use a known CPA that is versed in our industry but I've had issues dealing with those out of state. With that said, I'm curious as to feedback on another issue. Who here is doing business as a sole proprietor? I've been an S-Corp for years but considering switching back due to its simplicity. This Corp stuff doesnt seem worth all the hassle. Thanks! On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 12:05 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: I'm with Travis on this one. Sometimes we take the entire hit at once, other times we spread it out. It kind of depends on what we need for deductions and what the equipment is. Our accountant has taken a lot of time to learn this industry and is really good. The phone number is 509.982.2922 if anyone is looking for a good one. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 11:55 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] taxes Travis, thanks for your input. I'm really looking for feedback as to what our industry's standard is. I submit that the IRS does not look at it as a personal, business choice. I'd rather do it correctly now than find out from the IRS I'm doing it wrong. On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 12:44 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: This is a personal, business choice. There is no set answer. Some of our equipment we expense and some we depreciate. It all depends on what tax breaks you need now vs. later. Travis Microserv RickG wrote: Everyone's favorite subject :) I'm getting mixed information form my accountants on this and want to know what everyone else is doing. The basic question is this: Are you expensing or depreciating the equipment? Equipment being radios (AP CPE), antennas, switches, firewalls, etc. With the cost of the electronics being so low, its not making much sense to depreciate. Which takes me to a second question: Have any WISPs been audited by the IRS for this reason? Thanks in advance! -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] legal entity type - was taxes
Same subject, different question: Are you an employee of the corp? On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 1:55 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: We are an S-corp and have been since the first day we started. It provides personal protection against people suing you, etc. It also allows expenses by the corporation that may or may not be allowed as a sole proprietor (additional office locations, etc.). Again, you would need to check with your accountant. They are the only ones that can give you exact information. Travis Microserv RickG wrote: Its tempting to use a known CPA that is versed in our industry but I've had issues dealing with those out of state. With that said, I'm curious as to feedback on another issue. Who here is doing business as a sole proprietor? I've been an S-Corp for years but considering switching back due to its simplicity. This Corp stuff doesnt seem worth all the hassle. Thanks! On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 12:05 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: I'm with Travis on this one. Sometimes we take the entire hit at once, other times we spread it out. It kind of depends on what we need for deductions and what the equipment is. Our accountant has taken a lot of time to learn this industry and is really good. The phone number is 509.982.2922 if anyone is looking for a good one. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 11:55 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] taxes Travis, thanks for your input. I'm really looking for feedback as to what our industry's standard is. I submit that the IRS does not look at it as a personal, business choice. I'd rather do it correctly now than find out from the IRS I'm doing it wrong. On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 12:44 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: This is a personal, business choice. There is no set answer. Some of our equipment we expense and some we depreciate. It all depends on what tax breaks you need now vs. later. Travis Microserv RickG wrote: Everyone's favorite subject :) I'm getting mixed information form my accountants on this and want to know what everyone else is doing. The basic question is this: Are you expensing or depreciating the equipment? Equipment being radios (AP CPE), antennas, switches, firewalls, etc. With the cost of the electronics being so low, its not making much sense to depreciate. Which takes me to a second question: Have any WISPs been audited by the IRS for this reason? Thanks in advance! -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] legal entity type - was taxes
Tom, I agree with one exception: Sole proprietor doesn't have to worry about employee withholdings. Which is really what sent me on this tangent. Its such a burden to put all this withholdings reporting crud on a Mom Pop business. I've always filed paid all my taxes but the paperwork and documentation is nearly unbearable. On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 3:10 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: There is ONLY one benefit to operating as a sole proprietor, in my opionion. As a sole proprietor you are treated like a consumer, and by law you are allowed to represent yourself in court. If you want to sue anyone, or defend yourself against anyone's suit, you can do it cost effectively without a lawyer. When one person has only their own time as an expense, and teh other party has to pay expensive lawyers, the one without expenses has a huge upper hand in dispute resolution. Corporations, Scorps, Partnerships, and LLCs on the other hand are required to have a bar approved lawyer in the state they are having a legal battle in, and an owner or stock holder does NOT have the right to represent themselves or the company and in some cases not even a clear right to be heard. There are a few exceptions to that, for example many states have rules of higher presidence, for example to have the obligation to find the truth, or to not waste the court's time and money, or prevent undue financial harm due to frivilous claims. But thats another topic, and differs per state. With the exception to the above, I could never recommend someone to select to be a Sole Proprietor, if in the wireless business. Being a LLC or S-Corp is NOT difficult, nor expensive. If it is, change accountants, or do it yourself. Any simplicity sole pro offers can be achieved by an Scorp or LLC, other than the actual tax return. For example, whetehr to be cash or acccrual based in accounting and taxation. Typical complexities with LLCs and S-Corps like seperate record keeping and such are things that should be relicated with Sole Prop anyways. The second someone becomes a sole proprietor they loose so many options to escape over taxation, that far outway the savings of sole proprietor's simplicity. The only exception might be if the individual looking to be a Sole Prop, only intends to have a very small number of residential subs, maybe under 50, and really isn't trying to be more than the neighborhood court WIFI aggregator. Now, there are many that operate as a Sole Prop, but I'd argue that they did that only because they started out that way when they were not fully versed on teh benefits of S-corp and LLC, and there may not have been a compelling reason for them to change. But I'm not aware of many that convert back to Sole Prop after being a LLC or S-Corp. The hard part of LLC and S-Corp is teh upfront learning curve, not the maintenance afterwords.. I have however many times seen companies upgrade from S-Corp to Corp. S-Corp can have some disadvantages when trying to find equity stock holders or investors. Usually the first thing they try to do is convert you to a Corp or LLC. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 1:43 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] legal entity type - was taxes Its tempting to use a known CPA that is versed in our industry but I've had issues dealing with those out of state. With that said, I'm curious as to feedback on another issue. Who here is doing business as a sole proprietor? I've been an S-Corp for years but considering switching back due to its simplicity. This Corp stuff doesnt seem worth all the hassle. Thanks! On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 12:05 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: I'm with Travis on this one. Sometimes we take the entire hit at once, other times we spread it out. It kind of depends on what we need for deductions and what the equipment is. Our accountant has taken a lot of time to learn this industry and is really good. The phone number is 509.982.2922 if anyone is looking for a good one. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 11:55 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] taxes Travis, thanks for your input. I'm really looking for feedback as to what our industry's standard is. I submit that the IRS does not look at it as a personal, business choice. I'd rather do it correctly now than find out from the IRS I'm doing it wrong. On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 12:44 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: This is a personal, business choice. There is no set answer. Some of our equipment we expense and some we depreciate. It all depends on what tax breaks you need now vs. later. Travis Microserv RickG wrote: Everyone's favorite subject :) I'm
Re: [WISPA] legal entity type - was taxes
Tom, are you an employee of your corp then? On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 3:55 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: Note... One relevent factor will be Health Insurance, due to teh skyrocketing cost of health insurance. On of my companies is a C-Corp. The reason was that when we first formed our S-Corp, we could not deduct the full csot of health insurance. Back then it was only like 30%. But with a C-Corp we could deduct 100%. So we actually kept both companies and employed techs under the C-Corp, to save on Insurance. This can equate to a lot of cash, considering just my own family's policy is now up to almost $1400 per month, before I start considering employess. Now, I believe it has changed with SCorps. It was supoposed to graduly change over time to be 100% coverage for S-Corps just like C-Corps. Check with your accountant to be sure, but my point here is that there would no longer be a disadvantate to being a S-Corp for insurance reasons. However, as a Sole Proprietor, you may not have the same full health care Tax deduction. (Again, verify with Accountant). But my point here is... just on Healthcare costs alone, it can be justified NOT to be a Sole prop in many cases. That is provided you need your own health care policy. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Eje Gustafsson e...@wisp-router.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 3:37 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] legal entity type - was taxes S corp here as well. Why. Well because our CPA and our financial advisor deemed due to our nature and size of our business it was considerably more beneficial for us to be a S corp then being an LLC or C corp. It was a hard draw between S corp or C corp but due to some of the paperwork etc for C corp the CPA recommended S corp and the financial advisor was ok with C but would have preferred to see C corp status. Both agreed that for us and in the state of Kansas it was in our best interest to be a Corporation (S or C really didn't matter they both had their advantages and disadvantages) instead of LLC or partnership. Neither me nor anyone else on this list can tell what you should be so as Travis say you really need to check with your accountant. Lot is going to depend on many different things, state regulations, state taxations, structure, business type, revenue, profit and ownership structure. The more your accountant/CPA/financial advisor knows about your business the better they will be able to recommend for you and what perks/disadvantages there is to each option. When selecting a accountant/CPA/financial advisor it's important you select someone that knows the regulations and registration requirements for YOUR state. Each CPA/financial advisor is generally only allowed to provide service in a specific set of states for which they have passed testing requirements (very much like a lawyer, just because you're a lawyer doesn't mean you're allowed to practice in any and all states) / Eje -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 12:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] legal entity type - was taxes We are an S-corp and have been since the first day we started. It provides personal protection against people suing you, etc. It also allows expenses by the corporation that may or may not be allowed as a sole proprietor (additional office locations, etc.). Again, you would need to check with your accountant. They are the only ones that can give you exact information. Travis Microserv RickG wrote: Its tempting to use a known CPA that is versed in our industry but I've had issues dealing with those out of state. With that said, I'm curious as to feedback on another issue. Who here is doing business as a sole proprietor? I've been an S-Corp for years but considering switching back due to its simplicity. This Corp stuff doesnt seem worth all the hassle. Thanks! On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 12:05 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: I'm with Travis on this one. Sometimes we take the entire hit at once, other times we spread it out. It kind of depends on what we need for deductions and what the equipment is. Our accountant has taken a lot of time to learn this industry and is really good. The phone number is 509.982.2922 if anyone is looking for a good one. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 11:55 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] taxes Travis, thanks for your input. I'm really looking for feedback as to what our industry's standard is. I submit that the IRS does not look at it as a personal, business choice. I'd rather do it correctly now than find out from
Re: [WISPA] legal entity type - was taxes
I hear ya. Thanks! On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 11:49 PM, Larry Yunker leyun...@wispadvantage.com wrote: Rick, Your comment regarding owning nothing doesn't take into account the full picture. You have earnings and you will continue to earn money in the future. If you are found liable for a tort or even for a breach of contract as a sole proprietor, not only can the court order you to turn over assets (house, car, and bank accounts), the court can garnish your current and future sources of income to satisfy the judgment. In the end, you get stuck having to file personal bankruptcy to eliminate the judgment/garnishment. While corporate formalities can be a pain they are a necessary evil if you hope to shield yourself from the liabilities that flow from operating a business. If you are simply looking for a pass-through income option, you might consider forming an LLC which enjoys limited liability but works like a partnership for purposes of pass-through income and loss reporting. Regards, Larry Yunker Rick Wrote: I agree which is why I did S-Corp from the start. But then again, I own nothing, so NO risk! Furthermore, I hear that the corporate veil can be pierced if you do the work. Its just disheartening how much crud you have to do to run a business (besides the actual business). Thanks for the input! On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 1:53 PM, Glenn Kelley gl...@hostmedic.com wrote: Rick Sole Proprietor has its own back of nuttiness. You and everything you own is on the line. I have been there and it is far from fun. In short - you simply don't want someone having an issue and you loosing your home, car - etc over it. Thus the reason after I lost my shirt once - I will never do a sole proprietorship EVER. in my humble opinion - they should be illegal - because many just dont know the difference and assume it has a safety net. Glenn On Jun 7, 2010, at 1:43 PM, RickG wrote: Its tempting to use a known CPA that is versed in our industry but I've had issues dealing with those out of state. With that said, I'm curious as to feedback on another issue. Who here is doing business as a sole proprietor? I've been an S-Corp for years but considering switching back due to its simplicity. This Corp stuff doesnt seem worth all the hassle. Thanks! On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 12:05 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: I'm with Travis on this one. Sometimes we take the entire hit at once, other times we spread it out. It kind of depends on what we need for deductions and what the equipment is. Our accountant has taken a lot of time to learn this industry and is really good. The phone number is 509.982.2922 if anyone is looking for a good one. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 11:55 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] taxes Travis, thanks for your input. I'm really looking for feedback as to what our industry's standard is. I submit that the IRS does not look at it as a personal, business choice. I'd rather do it correctly now than find out from the IRS I'm doing it wrong. On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 12:44 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: This is a personal, business choice. There is no set answer. Some of our equipment we expense and some we depreciate. It all depends on what tax breaks you need now vs. later. Travis Microserv RickG wrote: Everyone's favorite subject :) I'm getting mixed information form my accountants on this and want to know what everyone else is doing. The basic question is this: Are you expensing or depreciating the equipment? Equipment being radios (AP CPE), antennas, switches, firewalls, etc. With the cost of the electronics being so low, its not making much sense to depreciate. Which takes me to a second question: Have any WISPs been audited by the IRS for this reason? Thanks in advance! -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] legal entity type - was taxes
Good points and good discussion. Thanks to all! On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 12:56 AM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: Same subject, different question: Are you an employee of the corp? Good question. Again that depends. Depends on whether you are making money or investing in money. If you invest cash into a company, it usually makes sense to remove cash by paying back the investment, to avoid being double taxed on your own money, which would occur if you took payroll instead. If you are the sole owner of a S-Corp it becomes more forgiving, because at the end of the day anything you didn't take as salary, would tunnel to your personal income return anyways. But its really about what your tax braket and tax rate is for each entity, and monthly estimated tax payments would be. It about adjusting it so the least amount of tax paid upfront. If you haven't injected investment into the company, and company is making money, and you need money monthly to live, you may have no choice but to take payroll as an employee, so you can take money out when you need it, which is every month. Where as, if you live off another income source, you may not need to be an employee, and just take the income at end of the company tax year. It becomes mor complicated if multiple stock holders, as Employee payroll can be a method of defining fair compensation for time spent, before recognizing company profits. I personally am not an employee of my company, I am a stockholder. It much cleaner that way for my situation. However, I warn caution to others on that. If you anticipate needing credit for anything, so many credit things require proof of current historical monthly income. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 11:04 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] legal entity type - was taxes Same subject, different question: Are you an employee of the corp? On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 1:55 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: We are an S-corp and have been since the first day we started. It provides personal protection against people suing you, etc. It also allows expenses by the corporation that may or may not be allowed as a sole proprietor (additional office locations, etc.). Again, you would need to check with your accountant. They are the only ones that can give you exact information. Travis Microserv RickG wrote: Its tempting to use a known CPA that is versed in our industry but I've had issues dealing with those out of state. With that said, I'm curious as to feedback on another issue. Who here is doing business as a sole proprietor? I've been an S-Corp for years but considering switching back due to its simplicity. This Corp stuff doesnt seem worth all the hassle. Thanks! On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 12:05 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: I'm with Travis on this one. Sometimes we take the entire hit at once, other times we spread it out. It kind of depends on what we need for deductions and what the equipment is. Our accountant has taken a lot of time to learn this industry and is really good. The phone number is 509.982.2922 if anyone is looking for a good one. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 11:55 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] taxes Travis, thanks for your input. I'm really looking for feedback as to what our industry's standard is. I submit that the IRS does not look at it as a personal, business choice. I'd rather do it correctly now than find out from the IRS I'm doing it wrong. On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 12:44 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: This is a personal, business choice. There is no set answer. Some of our equipment we expense and some we depreciate. It all depends on what tax breaks you need now vs. later. Travis Microserv RickG wrote: Everyone's favorite subject :) I'm getting mixed information form my accountants on this and want to know what everyone else is doing. The basic question is this: Are you expensing or depreciating the equipment? Equipment being radios (AP CPE), antennas, switches, firewalls, etc. With the cost of the electronics being so low, its not making much sense to depreciate. Which takes me to a second question: Have any WISPs been audited by the IRS for this reason? Thanks in advance! -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] legal entity type - was taxes
Tom, I wanted to reply to this before I sent my last remarks. Rather than employee, I've been a subcontractor to my corporation since it began. These CPAs say that since I work in the company this is not a good thing because the government doesnt get all its due through payroll taxes. On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 12:56 AM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: Same subject, different question: Are you an employee of the corp? Good question. Again that depends. Depends on whether you are making money or investing in money. If you invest cash into a company, it usually makes sense to remove cash by paying back the investment, to avoid being double taxed on your own money, which would occur if you took payroll instead. If you are the sole owner of a S-Corp it becomes more forgiving, because at the end of the day anything you didn't take as salary, would tunnel to your personal income return anyways. But its really about what your tax braket and tax rate is for each entity, and monthly estimated tax payments would be. It about adjusting it so the least amount of tax paid upfront. If you haven't injected investment into the company, and company is making money, and you need money monthly to live, you may have no choice but to take payroll as an employee, so you can take money out when you need it, which is every month. Where as, if you live off another income source, you may not need to be an employee, and just take the income at end of the company tax year. It becomes mor complicated if multiple stock holders, as Employee payroll can be a method of defining fair compensation for time spent, before recognizing company profits. I personally am not an employee of my company, I am a stockholder. It much cleaner that way for my situation. However, I warn caution to others on that. If you anticipate needing credit for anything, so many credit things require proof of current historical monthly income. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 11:04 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] legal entity type - was taxes Same subject, different question: Are you an employee of the corp? On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 1:55 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: We are an S-corp and have been since the first day we started. It provides personal protection against people suing you, etc. It also allows expenses by the corporation that may or may not be allowed as a sole proprietor (additional office locations, etc.). Again, you would need to check with your accountant. They are the only ones that can give you exact information. Travis Microserv RickG wrote: Its tempting to use a known CPA that is versed in our industry but I've had issues dealing with those out of state. With that said, I'm curious as to feedback on another issue. Who here is doing business as a sole proprietor? I've been an S-Corp for years but considering switching back due to its simplicity. This Corp stuff doesnt seem worth all the hassle. Thanks! On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 12:05 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: I'm with Travis on this one. Sometimes we take the entire hit at once, other times we spread it out. It kind of depends on what we need for deductions and what the equipment is. Our accountant has taken a lot of time to learn this industry and is really good. The phone number is 509.982.2922 if anyone is looking for a good one. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 11:55 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] taxes Travis, thanks for your input. I'm really looking for feedback as to what our industry's standard is. I submit that the IRS does not look at it as a personal, business choice. I'd rather do it correctly now than find out from the IRS I'm doing it wrong. On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 12:44 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: This is a personal, business choice. There is no set answer. Some of our equipment we expense and some we depreciate. It all depends on what tax breaks you need now vs. later. Travis Microserv RickG wrote: Everyone's favorite subject :) I'm getting mixed information form my accountants on this and want to know what everyone else is doing. The basic question is this: Are you expensing or depreciating the equipment? Equipment being radios (AP CPE), antennas, switches, firewalls, etc. With the cost of the electronics being so low, its not making much sense to depreciate. Which takes me to a second question: Have any WISPs been audited by the IRS for this reason? Thanks in advance! -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] legal entity type - was taxes
But, they're not getting unemployment taxes, and they loose 7.5% on social security taxes... On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 12:29 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: Yeah but they get it through self employment taxes. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 8:03 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] legal entity type - was taxes Tom, I wanted to reply to this before I sent my last remarks. Rather than employee, I've been a subcontractor to my corporation since it began. These CPAs say that since I work in the company this is not a good thing because the government doesnt get all its due through payroll taxes. On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 12:56 AM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: Same subject, different question: Are you an employee of the corp? Good question. Again that depends. Depends on whether you are making money or investing in money. If you invest cash into a company, it usually makes sense to remove cash by paying back the investment, to avoid being double taxed on your own money, which would occur if you took payroll instead. If you are the sole owner of a S-Corp it becomes more forgiving, because at the end of the day anything you didn't take as salary, would tunnel to your personal income return anyways. But its really about what your tax braket and tax rate is for each entity, and monthly estimated tax payments would be. It about adjusting it so the least amount of tax paid upfront. If you haven't injected investment into the company, and company is making money, and you need money monthly to live, you may have no choice but to take payroll as an employee, so you can take money out when you need it, which is every month. Where as, if you live off another income source, you may not need to be an employee, and just take the income at end of the company tax year. It becomes mor complicated if multiple stock holders, as Employee payroll can be a method of defining fair compensation for time spent, before recognizing company profits. I personally am not an employee of my company, I am a stockholder. It much cleaner that way for my situation. However, I warn caution to others on that. If you anticipate needing credit for anything, so many credit things require proof of current historical monthly income. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 11:04 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] legal entity type - was taxes Same subject, different question: Are you an employee of the corp? On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 1:55 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: We are an S-corp and have been since the first day we started. It provides personal protection against people suing you, etc. It also allows expenses by the corporation that may or may not be allowed as a sole proprietor (additional office locations, etc.). Again, you would need to check with your accountant. They are the only ones that can give you exact information. Travis Microserv RickG wrote: Its tempting to use a known CPA that is versed in our industry but I've had issues dealing with those out of state. With that said, I'm curious as to feedback on another issue. Who here is doing business as a sole proprietor? I've been an S-Corp for years but considering switching back due to its simplicity. This Corp stuff doesnt seem worth all the hassle. Thanks! On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 12:05 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: I'm with Travis on this one. Sometimes we take the entire hit at once, other times we spread it out. It kind of depends on what we need for deductions and what the equipment is. Our accountant has taken a lot of time to learn this industry and is really good. The phone number is 509.982.2922 if anyone is looking for a good one. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 11:55 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] taxes Travis, thanks for your input. I'm really looking for feedback as to what our industry's standard is. I submit that the IRS does not look at it as a personal, business choice. I'd rather do it correctly now than find out from the IRS I'm doing it wrong. On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 12:44 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: This is a personal, business choice. There is no set answer. Some of our equipment we expense and some we depreciate. It all depends on what tax breaks you need now vs. later. Travis Microserv RickG wrote: Everyone's favorite subject :) I'm getting mixed information form my accountants on this and want to know what everyone else is doing. The basic question is this: Are you expensing or depreciating
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Tom, Very good info - as always! I agree that being an employee offers benefits and its mostly a good thing. I'm just tired of government deadlines to get things in on time or get penalized. With that said, according to these CPA's as an employee you can still get scrutinized - as the IRS can deem that you are not paying yourself enough money for your position. But then I wonder, how does Steven Jobs of Apple take $1/year salary and not get scrutinized? Thanks! -RickG On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 6:28 PM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: There are several ways to pay yourself Loan re-payment. Equity Draw Payroll-Employee Subscontractor EndOfYear profit roll over - (Scorp, LLC, Sole PRoprietor) Dividends (Corp) Bonuses (form of payroll) Tax Breaks (To offset other income sources) Company Benefits. As far as Subcontractor There are very clear rules on what makes a Subcontractor. For example 1) Self managed, Self supervised, and Responsible for decisions, methods, and How completing work. 2) Work for and get paid by more than one company as a subcontractor. 3) There are a few others. But whether to pay your self as a Subcontractor really isn't a factor of your company sctructure type. Instead its a quesetion of whether you pass the Subcontractor Rule Test, as listed above. If the IRS does not recognize you as a subscontractor, you will automatically be re-classified as an employee, and likely liable for late penalties as well. CPAs often advise that a business owner not pay themselves as a subcontractor because its hard to prove that you are providing the duties of a contractor. As well, whats the point? You still have to pay taxes as a subcontractor, and likely at as high a rate. So nothing really gets solved, by adding more complexity to offload your tax recording from the company to the subscontract entity. If you properly pay taxes as a subscontractor, the IRS likely wont care that it was structured that way. But it surely would be a red flag, because most companies would elect to pay themselves as an employee over a subcontractor. In my case my Broadband company (S-Corp) did not initially have employees, and we paid my second company (C-Corp) as a subcontracted company, which managed the C-Corp Employees that performed the S-Corp's field work. It was perfectly fine to subcontract, because there was a clean reason and trail for it. The smell test that is hard is If a subcontractor akes payment from the Corp or Scorp, are they really perfoming contract work? OR are they really just taking a cash draw inappropriately, embezzling money out of their company. A person does not just have the right to take money out of a company anytime they want, without repurcussions. So to be a subcontractor, one really needs to keep detailed records of what subcontract tasks that they performed. for payment. It would be a pretty good idea to write up invoices for services as well. But if paying as a subcontactor, it could get scrutinized, which is a risk. Its also important to recognize that Salary does not mean Employee, and Contractor does not mean peice rate or flat rate. All a Contractor really translates to is Who is the entity that pays the taxes, who is liable and is Overtime applicable. . If you classifiy yourself as an employee, and pay yourself as an employee, you can still pay yourself flat rate for tasks, or peice work for Jobs, or Hourly, or Salary. And as an executive of a company, you can still be exempt from Overtime. Generally by being an employee, it gives teh company owner additional benefits. Its not a negative thing. But most importantly it gives a method to pay an owner that can NOT be scrutinized. Its one reason that owners take salaries, consistency is harder to scrutinize. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 11:02 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] legal entity type - was taxes Tom, I wanted to reply to this before I sent my last remarks. Rather than employee, I've been a subcontractor to my corporation since it began. These CPAs say that since I work in the company this is not a good thing because the government doesnt get all its due through payroll taxes. On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 12:56 AM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: Same subject, different question: Are you an employee of the corp? Good question. Again that depends. Depends on whether you are making money or investing in money. If you invest cash into a company, it usually makes sense to remove cash by paying back the investment, to avoid being double taxed on your own money, which would occur if you took payroll instead. If you are the sole owner of a S-Corp it becomes more forgiving, because at the end of the day anything you didn't take
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Oh, another question if you dont mind. What rate are you paying your CPA's? My new guy wants a $750 retainer just to file my 2009 S-Corp returns. I think thats high but maybe not, who knows? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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If I understand correctly, social security tax is 15%. In an employment situation, an employee pays 7.5% and the employer matches pays the other 7.5%. If you subcontract, you only pay 7.5% and the corp pays nothing. On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 11:27 PM, Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com wrote: The 7.5% comes back in on self-employment tax. That is the social security tax on the self-employed. Scottie But, they're not getting unemployment taxes, and they loose 7.5% on social security taxes... On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 12:29 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: Yeah but they get it through self employment taxes. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 8:03 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] legal entity type - was taxes Tom, I wanted to reply to this before I sent my last remarks. Rather than employee, I've been a subcontractor to my corporation since it began. These CPAs say that since I work in the company this is not a good thing because the government doesnt get all its due through payroll taxes. On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 12:56 AM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: Same subject, different question: Are you an employee of the corp? Good question. Again that depends. Depends on whether you are making money or investing in money. If you invest cash into a company, it usually makes sense to remove cash by paying back the investment, to avoid being double taxed on your own money, which would occur if you took payroll instead. If you are the sole owner of a S-Corp it becomes more forgiving, because at the end of the day anything you didn't take as salary, would tunnel to your personal income return anyways. But its really about what your tax braket and tax rate is for each entity, and monthly estimated tax payments would be. It about adjusting it so the least amount of tax paid upfront. If you haven't injected investment into the company, and company is making money, and you need money monthly to live, you may have no choice but to take payroll as an employee, so you can take money out when you need it, which is every month. Where as, if you live off another income source, you may not need to be an employee, and just take the income at end of the company tax year. It becomes mor complicated if multiple stock holders, as Employee payroll can be a method of defining fair compensation for time spent, before recognizing company profits. I personally am not an employee of my company, I am a stockholder. It much cleaner that way for my situation. However, I warn caution to others on that. If you anticipate needing credit for anything, so many credit things require proof of current historical monthly income. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 11:04 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] legal entity type - was taxes Same subject, different question: Are you an employee of the corp? On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 1:55 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: We are an S-corp and have been since the first day we started. It provides personal protection against people suing you, etc. It also allows expenses by the corporation that may or may not be allowed as a sole proprietor (additional office locations, etc.). Again, you would need to check with your accountant. They are the only ones that can give you exact information. Travis Microserv RickG wrote: Its tempting to use a known CPA that is versed in our industry but I've had issues dealing with those out of state. With that said, I'm curious as to feedback on another issue. Who here is doing business as a sole proprietor? I've been an S-Corp for years but considering switching back due to its simplicity. This Corp stuff doesnt seem worth all the hassle. Thanks! On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 12:05 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: I'm with Travis on this one. Sometimes we take the entire hit at once, other times we spread it out. It kind of depends on what we need for deductions and what the equipment is. Our accountant has taken a lot of time to learn this industry and is really good. The phone number is 509.982.2922 if anyone is looking for a good one. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 11:55 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] taxes Travis, thanks for your input. I'm really looking for feedback as to what our industry's standard is. I submit that the IRS does not look at it as a personal, business choice. I'd rather do it correctly now than find out from the IRS I'm doing it wrong. On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 12:44 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net
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Wow! I'd love that! On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 9:49 PM, Aaron D. Osgood aosg...@streamline-solutions.net wrote: Ours charges closer to $400 - AND handles the personal stuff as well. Even survived an audit from 3 years ago and came out with Uncle Sam owing us! ;-) Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone with Nextel Direct Connect -Original Message- From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 21:32:58 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] legal entity type - was taxes Oh, another question if you dont mind. What rate are you paying your CPA's? My new guy wants a $750 retainer just to file my 2009 S-Corp returns. I think thats high but maybe not, who knows? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Maybe, only time will tell. I like him but concerned about him being so ultra-conservation. Can you find a CPA in a nearby, bigger city? Thats what I'm considering. On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 9:53 PM, Jeromie Reeves jree...@18-30chat.net wrote: Mmm sounds like a good CPA! I am thinking it is time to go LLC but have learned not to trust a local CPA (everything from loose lips to horrible security breaches by the common passerby). On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 6:49 PM, Aaron D. Osgood aosg...@streamline-solutions.net wrote: Ours charges closer to $400 - AND handles the personal stuff as well. Even survived an audit from 3 years ago and came out with Uncle Sam owing us! ;-) Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone with Nextel Direct Connect -Original Message- From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 21:32:58 To: WISPA General Listwireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] legal entity type - was taxes Oh, another question if you dont mind. What rate are you paying your CPA's? My new guy wants a $750 retainer just to file my 2009 S-Corp returns. I think thats high but maybe not, who knows? WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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But there is no facility to pay the 15% if your a subcontractor. See Line 27 on 1040. They give you back a credit for 1/2 of the 15% so you only pay 7.5%. I'm not trying to get out of anything, just noting that there is no way to pay it entirely IF youre a subcontractor. On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 1:01 AM, David Sovereen david.sover...@mercury.net wrote: If you are a subcontractor, you pay the entire 15% yourself. Subcontracting does not eliminate or reduce any social security tax obligation. It only alters who pays it. Dave RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: If I understand correctly, social security tax is 15%. In an employment situation, an employee pays 7.5% and the employer matches pays the other 7.5%. If you subcontract, you only pay 7.5% and the corp pays nothing. On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 11:27 PM, Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com wrote: The 7.5% comes back in on self-employment tax. That is the social security tax on the self-employed. Scottie But, they're not getting unemployment taxes, and they loose 7.5% on social security taxes... On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 12:29 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: Yeah but they get it through self employment taxes. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 8:03 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] legal entity type - was taxes Tom, I wanted to reply to this before I sent my last remarks. Rather than employee, I've been a subcontractor to my corporation since it began. These CPAs say that since I work in the company this is not a good thing because the government doesnt get all its due through payroll taxes. On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 12:56 AM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: Same subject, different question: Are you an employee of the corp? Good question. Again that depends. Depends on whether you are making money or investing in money. If you invest cash into a company, it usually makes sense to remove cash by paying back the investment, to avoid being double taxed on your own money, which would occur if you took payroll instead. If you are the sole owner of a S-Corp it becomes more forgiving, because at the end of the day anything you didn't take as salary, would tunnel to your personal income return anyways. But its really about what your tax braket and tax rate is for each entity, and monthly estimated tax payments would be. It about adjusting it so the least amount of tax paid upfront. If you haven't injected investment into the company, and company is making money, and you need money monthly to live, you may have no choice but to take payroll as an employee, so you can take money out when you need it, which is every month. Where as, if you live off another income source, you may not need to be an employee, and just take the income at end of the company tax year. It becomes mor complicated if multiple stock holders, as Employee payroll can be a method of defining fair compensation for time spent, before recognizing company profits. I personally am not an employee of my company, I am a stockholder. It much cleaner that way for my situation. However, I warn caution to others on that. If you anticipate needing credit for anything, so many credit things require proof of current historical monthly income. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 11:04 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] legal entity type - was taxes Same subject, different question: Are you an employee of the corp? On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 1:55 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: We are an S-corp and have been since the first day we started. It provides personal protection against people suing you, etc. It also allows expenses by the corporation that may or may not be allowed as a sole proprietor (additional office locations, etc.). Again, you would need to check with your accountant. They are the only ones that can give you exact information. Travis Microserv RickG wrote: Its tempting to use a known CPA that is versed in our industry but I've had issues dealing with those out of state. With that said, I'm curious as to feedback on another issue. Who here is doing business as a sole proprietor? I've been an S-Corp for years but considering switching back due to its simplicity. This Corp stuff doesnt seem worth all the hassle. Thanks! On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 12:05 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: I'm with Travis on this one. Sometimes we take the entire hit at once, other times we spread it out. It kind of depends on what we need for deductions and what the equipment is. Our accountant has taken a lot of time to learn this industry and is really good. The phone
Re: [WISPA] legal entity type - was taxes
Then please tell me why these CPA's are claiming that by not being on the payroll you are not paying all taxes? From what I can tell you are then. On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 10:43 AM, Larry Yunker leyun...@wispadvantage.com wrote: SELF EMPLOYMENT Schedule SE Section(A) 5. Self-employment tax. If the amount on line 4 is: $106,800 or less, multiply line 4 by 15.3% (.153). Enter the result here and on Form 1040, line 56. You then get to deduct half of your self-employment tax when figuring your adjusted gross income. W2 EMPLOYMENT On your W2 you will find your 2.9% on line 6 Medicare tax withheld and 6.2% on line 4 Social security tax withheld. 2.9 + 6.2 = 9.1% The remaining 6.2% is paid by the employer and is a write off (expense) for the employer. 9.1% + 6.2% = 15.3% As a W2 employee, you don't get to deduct any portion of your social security/medicare tax from adjusted gross income, but your employer gets to claim the 6.2% that it paid. The government collects the same social security and medicare tax either way. There is a slight difference with respect to what entity gets the deduction and how much the deduction applies to. - Larry Yunker -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of David Sovereen Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 1:01 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] legal entity type - was taxes If you are a subcontractor, you pay the entire 15% yourself. Subcontracting does not eliminate or reduce any social security tax obligation. It only alters who pays it. Dave RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: If I understand correctly, social security tax is 15%. In an employment situation, an employee pays 7.5% and the employer matches pays the other 7.5%. If you subcontract, you only pay 7.5% and the corp pays nothing. On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 11:27 PM, Scottie Arnett sarn...@info-ed.com wrote: The 7.5% comes back in on self-employment tax. That is the social security tax on the self-employed. Scottie But, they're not getting unemployment taxes, and they loose 7.5% on social security taxes... On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 12:29 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: Yeah but they get it through self employment taxes. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 8:03 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] legal entity type - was taxes Tom, I wanted to reply to this before I sent my last remarks. Rather than employee, I've been a subcontractor to my corporation since it began. These CPAs say that since I work in the company this is not a good thing because the government doesnt get all its due through payroll taxes. On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 12:56 AM, Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net wrote: Same subject, different question: Are you an employee of the corp? Good question. Again that depends. Depends on whether you are making money or investing in money. If you invest cash into a company, it usually makes sense to remove cash by paying back the investment, to avoid being double taxed on your own money, which would occur if you took payroll instead. If you are the sole owner of a S-Corp it becomes more forgiving, because at the end of the day anything you didn't take as salary, would tunnel to your personal income return anyways. But its really about what your tax braket and tax rate is for each entity, and monthly estimated tax payments would be. It about adjusting it so the least amount of tax paid upfront. If you haven't injected investment into the company, and company is making money, and you need money monthly to live, you may have no choice but to take payroll as an employee, so you can take money out when you need it, which is every month. Where as, if you live off another income source, you may not need to be an employee, and just take the income at end of the company tax year. It becomes mor complicated if multiple stock holders, as Employee payroll can be a method of defining fair compensation for time spent, before recognizing company profits. I personally am not an employee of my company, I am a stockholder. It much cleaner that way for my situation. However, I warn caution to others on that. If you anticipate needing credit for anything, so many credit things require proof of current historical monthly income. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 11:04 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] legal entity type - was taxes Same subject, different question: Are you an employee of the corp? On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 1:55 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: We are an S-corp and have been since the first day we started. It provides
Re: [WISPA] Repeater
The question then becomes, would you spend $800 for a one sub repeater? On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 8:10 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: Cutting too many corners on backhaul is like cutting too many corners on brakes or tires. I used the ah boards for everything. More processor and memory etc. I just put in a backhaul link that pulled over 30 megs both ways on a 6 or so mile shot. My cost on it was under $800. When I bought my first backhaul link it was around $5k for a BreezeCOM DS.11 wifi link capable of a whopping 4ish megs. I've gone the cheapo route for backhaul and I've gone the nice way. It's a LOT cheaper to install good (not always great) hardware. You'll have far fewer phone calls etc. Hope that helps Steve, marlon - Original Message - From: Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 7:00 AM Subject: [WISPA] Repeater I have avoided repeaters like the plague but I have a situation where I have one and I am looking for a better option. When I started my wisp I was 100% Tranzeo. At this one location I setup a CPE connected to a TR-6000 that has 2 Ethernet ports that pass through POE. I ran 1 Ethernet up the tower with a POE at the bottom, and a crossover in between. I would like a similar layout for other locations. Issue I see is that not many other units, UBNT or MT have a 2nd Ethernet that pass through POE? How does everyone you get around this? Trying to stay cheaper than a RB433, 2 radios, and 2- antennas, box, pigtails, 2 LMR cables. Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] legal entity type - was taxes
LOL! The game is right! Happy LLCing :) On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 8:26 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: ROFLOL Rick I could KISS you! My accountant has been telling me that for over a decade. I'd ask when we're going to incorporate and he'd say that there is no need to. We don't have much liability and what we do have is handled by insurance. If we had more employees or people driving company rigs etc. it would be different. But when I'm the only one in the field or am directly supervising anyone that is the risks to what we've got are pretty small. We are finally big enough that I've formed an LLC. I wanted a c or s corp so I could have the .inc in our name. Between the lawyer and the accountant they managed to convince me that an LLC is perfectly legit these days and it doesn't have the problems associated with a c or s corp. The corp is going to take ownership of the bucket truck because we feel that's got the highest risk associated to it. The corp will probably also start renting the office from me. I hate playing the game but if you want to grow and prosper Personally I love being a sole proprietor. If I want to take an old computer home I can. No paper trail to worry about. We've been a sole proprietor for over 15 years now. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, June 07, 2010 10:43 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] legal entity type - was taxes Its tempting to use a known CPA that is versed in our industry but I've had issues dealing with those out of state. With that said, I'm curious as to feedback on another issue. Who here is doing business as a sole proprietor? I've been an S-Corp for years but considering switching back due to its simplicity. This Corp stuff doesnt seem worth all the hassle. Thanks! On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 12:05 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: I'm with Travis on this one. Sometimes we take the entire hit at once, other times we spread it out. It kind of depends on what we need for deductions and what the equipment is. Our accountant has taken a lot of time to learn this industry and is really good. The phone number is 509.982.2922 if anyone is looking for a good one. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 11:55 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] taxes Travis, thanks for your input. I'm really looking for feedback as to what our industry's standard is. I submit that the IRS does not look at it as a personal, business choice. I'd rather do it correctly now than find out from the IRS I'm doing it wrong. On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 12:44 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: This is a personal, business choice. There is no set answer. Some of our equipment we expense and some we depreciate. It all depends on what tax breaks you need now vs. later. Travis Microserv RickG wrote: Everyone's favorite subject :) I'm getting mixed information form my accountants on this and want to know what everyone else is doing. The basic question is this: Are you expensing or depreciating the equipment? Equipment being radios (AP CPE), antennas, switches, firewalls, etc. With the cost of the electronics being so low, its not making much sense to depreciate. Which takes me to a second question: Have any WISPs been audited by the IRS for this reason? Thanks in advance! -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List
Re: [WISPA] UBNT, Aggregation, network latency
I had the same issue yesterday. Changed out the radio and it works fine now. On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 9:49 AM, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: Though I'd pass this on. I have BulletM2 as AP fed to two NanostationM5's as a backhaul that goes to a 512k down/128k up satellite connection. Theoretically the pokey internet connection shouldn't be able to send enough data through the network to flood the network to capacity however I was seeing some very high ping ack times (frequent occurrences latency of 250ms or more and sometimes quite a bit higher) through the network. I then noticed I was getting the high ping latency just pinging to the BulletM2 (while connected to the BulletM2 so the pings are just from the client to the BulletM2 and back to the client). We're not running any servers on the network or doing file sharing so there's no reason for the network to be so busy causing high latency. I started changing settings on the BulletM2 and when i switched aggregation off I noticed the problem went away. Anybody else see this? Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] UBNT, Aggregation, network latency
5.2 build 5.32 on both. On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 11:18 AM, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: Same firmware? On Jun 10, 2010, at 10:41 AM, RickG wrote: I had the same issue yesterday. Changed out the radio and it works fine now. On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 9:49 AM, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: Though I'd pass this on. I have BulletM2 as AP fed to two NanostationM5's as a backhaul that goes to a 512k down/128k up satellite connection. Theoretically the pokey internet connection shouldn't be able to send enough data through the network to flood the network to capacity however I was seeing some very high ping ack times (frequent occurrences latency of 250ms or more and sometimes quite a bit higher) through the network. I then noticed I was getting the high ping latency just pinging to the BulletM2 (while connected to the BulletM2 so the pings are just from the client to the BulletM2 and back to the client). We're not running any servers on the network or doing file sharing so there's no reason for the network to be so busy causing high latency. I started changing settings on the BulletM2 and when i switched aggregation off I noticed the problem went away. Anybody else see this? Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Connect to Old StarOS Boards
If they were set up as an AP, you could power them up ans see what SSID broadcasts. Of course you would need to know the IP addy that matches the SSID :) On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 10:12 AM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: I have some old StarOS boards that have been taken out of service. The info tags were ripped off so I have no Idea of IP's. Any type of MAC locator App like the Tranzeo Victor or UBNT Discovery or MT winbox for these? Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Sell everything and drive
Ah ha! I did it backwards - I should've bought the Lambo instead of the ISP!!! -RickG On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 10:19 AM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net wrote: http://jalopnik.com/5559767/i-sold-everything-to-buy-a-lamborghini-and-d rive-across-the-country --- Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training http://www.onlinemikrotiktraining.com/ - Author of Learn RouterOS http://routerosbook.com/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] interference from ships
Plug the damn hole! - lol! Sorry, I couldnt help it :) Since it's a UK ship, I wonder if this has anything to do with it? http://www.eubusiness.com/topics/telecoms/mobile-ships.01/ On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 8:14 AM, jp j...@saucer.midcoast.com wrote: We've got a 700' drilling ship moored about a mile off our coast for a few days for repairs. http://www.stena-drilling.com/sub.asp?m=drillingp=stenaforth Since it came in, 900mhz within a couple miles of it has stopped working. We went out with the spectrum analyser after the Alvarion software spectrum analyzer went off the charts. The HP spectrum analyzer with a 9dbi yagi was picking up big fat gaussian shaped signals at -20 to -25dbm about 10-15mhz wide in the middle. I sent my guys to a second location with the spectrum analyzer just to make sure they weren't seeing local interfernce and they saw the same thing. A legal amount of power output would cause it to come in at about -50. Anyone else seen such strange stuff coming from this type of ship? I've never seen any trouble from any ship ever, though this is the first drilling ship to visit our area. -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ | Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Maine http://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Happy Father's Day.
Thanks Faisal! Same to you (if you're a Dad). Also, same to the sll for the Fathers on this list. -RickG On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 3:21 PM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net wrote: To all the Dad's out there .. Well Wishes for a Great Happy Fathers Day . Regards -- Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, Fl 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] RB433AH
Ah ha! It is the station (KY-31). Now I can sleep. Thanks! On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 11:49 PM, Butch Evans but...@butchevans.com wrote: On Tue, 2010-06-22 at 23:13 -0400, RickG wrote: Trying to configure a new RB433AH/Mikrotik for a new tower but the wlan1 interface is in italics? Pic attached. What does that mean? It just means it isn't running. In other words, if it's an AP, there are no clients connected. Or if it's a station (which I suspect is the case since you showed the connect list), it means it isn't connected to an AP. -- * Butch Evans * Professional Network Consultation* * http://www.butchevans.com/ * Network Engineering * * http://store.wispgear.net/ * Wired or Wireless Networks * * http://blog.butchevans.com/ * ImageStream, Mikrotik and MORE! * WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Wierd StarOS/OLSR - Ubiquity RocketM5 bridge - Cisco issue
Just curious - what if you switch the radio roles around (make the AP, the CPE and vice-versa)? I've had that fix some strange issues like that. -RickG On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 9:20 AM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote: I can't comment on the OP, but I can tell you that we are. OSPF talks, but never goes Full and exchanges routes. Latest FW on both ends. Like I said, same exact config as the other links which work perfect. On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 7:20 AM, Faisal Imtiaz fai...@snappydsl.net wrote: Make sure you are running the most recent version of 5.2 firmware.also you need to be running then in AP-WDS and CPE-WDS mode. Faisal On Jun 24, 2010, at 9:08 AM, Jayson Baker jay...@spectrasurf.com wrote: I didn't quite follow all of that, it must be too early. But I can tell you we have 4 of the PtP UBNT links using their M-series. 3 of those OSPF fine. The other won't OSPF for the life of me. All same config and firmware on all units. On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 4:38 AM, Scott Lambert lamb...@lambertfam.org wrote: We have been putting up some Ubiquity RocketM5 point-to-point bridge links, running airos 5.2, lately to replace some overloaded StarOS backhauls. Where these links have gone in, we static route the traffic across them. They happen to be on the OSPF/OLSR divider boundry. I would like to find a good way to redistribute between the routing protocols, but that's for another day. When I get time, I'll probably just convert the 20 odd OLSR towers to OSPF. These are our first experience with Ubiquity. The first two were no muss, no fuss. The third link went up nicely. It's configured the same as the other two links. About an hour after we plugged the local end at our office into the main switch, rather than a laptop, we started loosing routes to sites which pass through the tower at the far end of the link. All hosts on the tower LAN can see each other. We can reach all of them from anywhere else on our network. It is just routes for hosts connected wirelessly to that tower which are no longer known to the staros box which has the existing backhaul to our office. We rebooted everything at the remote tower. The links came up. The routes were good. Approximately an hour later, the same routes fell out. So, we decided it must be due to some sort of wierd multicast OLSR issue when these towers were suddenly able to see each other across the bridges. I unplugged the ethernet at the office and waited until tonight to try again. The routes straightened themselves out as soon as I unplugged the office end. Wild. This afternoon, I setup a seperate VLAN on the switch for this link. Before I left the office I plugged it in about, 8:00pm. I didn't have any other devices configured on that VLAN. There were no problems for several hours until I configured the new VLAN on the Cisco that was sometime between 1:01 and 1:10am. The RANCID run at 1:01 didn't see any changes but the run at 2:01 found them. At 1:10am Nagios noticed that it couldn't reach the equipment through those same routes. + interface GigabitEthernet0/3.13 + description Wireless VPN 3 + encapsulation dot1Q 13 + ip address 10.127.3.1 255.255.255.0 + no cdp enable + ! That's the subnet for the RocketM5s. The StarOS gear on the tower uses a public /29 subnet. I tried various things with reboots and restarts of OLSR on the staros gear at the tower. The routes came back for four or five minutes then went away again. No good. So, at about 2:10am, I logged into the RocketM5 at the tower and disabled it's ethernet interface. Within a few seconds, my pings to equipment through the lost routes began succeeding. It's now 3:25, and all's well. I am puzzled. We really need the additional bandwidth the ubiquity link can give us on this link. At 3:26 I enabled the LAN at the tower just to make sure. Within 2 minutes, splat. This time I left the LAN enabled at the tower and disabled the WLAN interface at the office. All better in seconds. Administratively shutting down interface gig0/3.13 at the office seems to be enough to heal OLSR at the tower. If the tower LAN can see the cisco, we drop routes. But the other ubiquity links connect back to the same cisco at the office. I think we will probably replace the switch at the tower tomorrow to see if it has problems we haven't tickled before. I'm stumped. Does anyone else have any ideas? -- Scott Lambert KC5MLE Unix SysAdmin lamb...@lambertfam.org WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http
Re: [WISPA] Maximum sector power?
Does the FCC take its cues from the IRS? :) On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 12:43 AM, Rubens Kuhl rube...@gmail.com wrote: The PtP/PtMP distinction does create interesting ambiguity. But then My favorite ambiguity is whether the PtP/PtMP distinction applies to the full-duplex system or per traffic direction... one reading would say that an uplink(Customer - WISP) that is made using directive antennas can follow PtP instead of PtMP rules, which would apply only to the downlink (WISP - Customer) . Rubens WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Maximum sector power?
Not to argue your point as I agree with you but how do you know your running it at 100%? Just cause it says so doesnt mean it is. (It being the radio). -RickG On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 10:43 AM, Justin Wilson li...@mtin.net wrote: I look at power compared to a car. You get better performance at a certain RPM on a car. This is almost never near the redline. Once you reach the limit you are wasting power. Radio cards are the same way. If you drive them at 100% they can not be as efficient as on a lower power setting. Justin -- Justin Wilson j...@mtin.net http://www.mtin.net/blog Wisp Consulting Tower Climbing Network Support From: Ryan Ghering rgher...@gmail.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 22:53:23 -0600 To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Maximum sector power? We are running RocketM2's and RocketM5's and we have set policy's on the 120 sectors to limit the power on the radios to 17db they seem to act better then setting them to 20. Oddly enough much stronger signal's at 17 than at 20.. We have one site where we have the radios set to 13 and they work beautifully. Ryan On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 10:43 PM, Rubens Kuhl rube...@gmail.com wrote: The PtP/PtMP distinction does create interesting ambiguity. But then My favorite ambiguity is whether the PtP/PtMP distinction applies to the full-duplex system or per traffic direction... one reading would say that an uplink(Customer - WISP) that is made using directive antennas can follow PtP instead of PtMP rules, which would apply only to the downlink (WISP - Customer) . Rubens WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Ryan Ghering Network Operations - Plains.Net Office: 970-848-0475 - Cell: 970-630-1879 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] GFCI outlet trips
Anyone had any issues with a GFCI outlet (not breaker) tripping? I've had several outages on this tower and want to stop it. Personally, I dont think the GFCI is necessary as the box is in a class 6 NEMA enclosure. Any thoughts? Thanks in advance! -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] What are the Challenges?
Rick, You've done a fantastic job getting great vendors, putting together a wonderful track, and a beautiful hotel venue! Being a Mom Pop WISP has made it a real challenge to get away from town, ESPECIALLY during thunderstorm season. I'm keeping my fingers crossed the weather is kind and I can make the whole show. It's a risk but I really want to meet the brain trust on this list. Looking forward to it! -Rick (NOT Rikeesha) Gunderson KyWiFi On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 3:28 PM, Rick Harnish rharn...@wispa.org wrote: Members and WISP followers, We would like to better understand some of the challenges that many of you face on a daily basis as we continue to fine tune the Regional Meeting Agenda. As you know the 1st Regional Meeting is scheduled for July 21st and 22nd in St. Louis. We have been pleasantly surprised at the response we have received from vendors in our industry in committing to exhibit at our Regional Meeting. One thing we have noticed during the signup period is that many WISPs that are attending are traveling long distances to come to St. Louis in the first stages of signup. We originally picked St. Louis because of its central location in the US and because there are a tremendous amount of WISP companies throughout the Central US. We really anticipated that 70% of our attendees at this meeting would come from a 500 mile radius from St. Louis. This does not seem to be the case and we find ourselves wondering why this to be the case. My first inclination is to blame it on weather. I realize that weather in the Central US has been extremely volatile this summer with persistent storms continually moving across the region. I am asking if this is really the reason preventing many Midwestern WISPs from signing up for this meeting or not. If it is something else, I would like to investigate further. We believe it is our obligation to the Vendors who have committed staff, money and resources to attend the meeting, that we ask these tough questions. Our goal and the budget for the RM are based on a count of 200 attendees. We are pretty sure we will reach this goal but if we are not going to get there, we need to start preparing now. As you may or may not know, we do have a price increase of $50 per attendee beginning on July 1st. It would be silly of me not to point this out to any prospective attendees. This week, we were able to negotiate a much nicer hotel and meeting facilities at the Renaissance Hotel in St. Louis. The Renaissance actually lowered its room rate surprisingly to $79 per night and threw in free internet, parking and shuttle. These concessions are saving our participants nearly $60 from the previous hotel. The catering and AV budgets alone exceed the registration fees we are charging for members. Therefore, I ask that everyone describe your intentions for attending or not intending and send a brief description why. If it is summer vacation, that is fine, that is a risk we took when choosing these dates. If it is summer activities such as 4H fairs, baseball tournaments, or whatever, just let me know. If it is the weather and damage has not allowed you to book because of excessive repair bills, that is also fine. I am just trying to get a feel on the pulse of the industry as we analyze the success of this meeting and possibly plan the next one. If there are other challenges you wish to discuss, let me know. I would rather the Board be aware so that we can formulate policy and programs to alleviate these concerns as we move forward. Respectfully, Rick Harnish President WISPA 260-307-4000 cell 866-317-2851 WISPA Office Skype: rick.harnish. rharn...@wispa.org WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] GFCI outlet trips
Anything is possible. It's a metal enclosure. The only thing in it is a UPS, small switch, and the two, small transformers that power them. Short pigtails lead to the LP's which connect to the coax on the outside of the box. I'm debating whether to replace the GFCI or talk the owner into letting me use a regular outlet. On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 7:08 PM, Brian Webster bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com wrote: Any chance RF Energy is getting in to the wiring? I had a GFCI breaker with a coiled cord trip every time I would use my VHF ham radio gear. Brian -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 6:48 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] GFCI outlet trips Anyone had any issues with a GFCI outlet (not breaker) tripping? I've had several outages on this tower and want to stop it. Personally, I dont think the GFCI is necessary as the box is in a class 6 NEMA enclosure. Any thoughts? Thanks in advance! -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] GFCI outlet trips
Thats standard procedure for me. I put in line conditioners too. On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 2:10 PM, Mike m...@aweiowa.com wrote: The easy resolve for that problem, if you have to have GFIs, is to add a small APC UPS after the GFI and use GOOD ones! _ From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Blair Davis Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 10:23 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] GFCI outlet trips GFCI's around here trip every time the lightning flashes. I won't use them to power radio gear. RickG wrote: Anyone had any issues with a GFCI outlet (not breaker) tripping? I've had several outages on this tower and want to stop it. Personally, I dont think the GFCI is necessary as the box is in a class 6 NEMA enclosure. Any thoughts? Thanks in advance! -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] GFCI outlet trips
I agree. All of my other towers do NOT have GFCI and do NOT have any issues. On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 9:24 PM, lakel...@gbcx.net wrote: We have had problems over the years at sites using GFCI's. In all cases we removed them and hardwired the equipment. Way too many service interuptions with them in place. Obviously you need to maintain code but there are always ways around it. -B- Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: RickG rgunder...@gmail.com Sender: wireless-boun...@wispa.org Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 18:48:10 To: wireless@wispa.org Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] GFCI outlet trips Anyone had any issues with a GFCI outlet (not breaker) tripping? I've had several outages on this tower and want to stop it. Personally, I dont think the GFCI is necessary as the box is in a class 6 NEMA enclosure. Any thoughts? Thanks in advance! -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] GFCI outlet trips
I suppose you have to weigh between possibly losing an occational power supply or outages causing multiple truck rolls. What I really want to know is using a GFCI outlet standard proceedure for tower installations? On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 11:38 PM, Tom Sharples tsharp...@qorvus.com wrote: They may have saved your gear tho. We do use them on installs in industrial yards, ports, etc. and there I'm quite sure they saved several camaeras, swiches and power supplies from an untimely demise. Tom S. - Original Message - From: Blair Davis To: WISPA General List Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 8:22 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] GFCI outlet trips GFCI's around here trip every time the lightning flashes. I won't use them to power radio gear. RickG wrote: Anyone had any issues with a GFCI outlet (not breaker) tripping? I've had several outages on this tower and want to stop it. Personally, I dont think the GFCI is necessary as the box is in a class 6 NEMA enclosure. Any thoughts? Thanks in advance! -RickG WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.435 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2675 - Release Date: 02/08/10 07:35:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] GFCI outlet trips
Ground is good. This is a very simple clean install:
[power]--[UPS]--{POE]--[radio]
My local electrician says no need for GFCI, so out it goes!
On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 12:41 AM, Robert West
robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote:
Check the install. GFCI is ground fault. It should always trip if the
ground is open. If not tripping, there is another ground path.
Bob-
-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of RickG
Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 6:48 PM
To: wireless@wispa.org
Subject: [WISPA] GFCI outlet trips
Anyone had any issues with a GFCI outlet (not breaker) tripping? I've had
several outages on this tower and want to stop it. Personally, I dont think
the GFCI is necessary as the box is in a class 6 NEMA enclosure. Any
thoughts?
Thanks in advance!
-RickG
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Re: [WISPA] What are the Challenges?
So are you going are you gonna stay there with Rikeesha? :) On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 12:41 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: We originally picked St. Louis With total and absolute respect for the board, we had an online discussion of where and why among all of us and St. Louis really wasn't in the mix. The timing is also weird because the summer, at least for me, is the busiest because the weather is damn best for fixing everything and getting new AP's installed. I'm working like hell to beat the snow. (Just got in from a new AP install) Get me in mid-January and I'll have plenty of time. Look at the volume of list postings and you'll understand. The winter gives us all lots of time to list post thus empty time in our schedules. Graph it out, you'll understand. Yeah, travel in the winter sucks. But I got's the time then! Besides... St. Louis? I went to the Dayton Hamvention, met some WISPA members, saw some great junk and spent some cash. Not to push Dayton (Dayton blows) but as we talked about before, a hook up with another similar event is the cool thing for me. No matter where it is. I really don't care where but the Hamvention is well known by a lot of WISPA Hams. Anyhow, just no time and no incentive in going. Ticket price and hotel price have no bearing on my lack of attending. Anyone with similar issues??? Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 3:28 PM To: memb...@wispa.org; 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] What are the Challenges? Members and WISP followers, We would like to better understand some of the challenges that many of you face on a daily basis as we continue to fine tune the Regional Meeting Agenda. As you know the 1st Regional Meeting is scheduled for July 21st and 22nd in St. Louis. We have been pleasantly surprised at the response we have received from vendors in our industry in committing to exhibit at our Regional Meeting. One thing we have noticed during the signup period is that many WISPs that are attending are traveling long distances to come to St. Louis in the first stages of signup. We originally picked St. Louis because of its central location in the US and because there are a tremendous amount of WISP companies throughout the Central US. We really anticipated that 70% of our attendees at this meeting would come from a 500 mile radius from St. Louis. This does not seem to be the case and we find ourselves wondering why this to be the case. My first inclination is to blame it on weather. I realize that weather in the Central US has been extremely volatile this summer with persistent storms continually moving across the region. I am asking if this is really the reason preventing many Midwestern WISPs from signing up for this meeting or not. If it is something else, I would like to investigate further. We believe it is our obligation to the Vendors who have committed staff, money and resources to attend the meeting, that we ask these tough questions. Our goal and the budget for the RM are based on a count of 200 attendees. We are pretty sure we will reach this goal but if we are not going to get there, we need to start preparing now. As you may or may not know, we do have a price increase of $50 per attendee beginning on July 1st. It would be silly of me not to point this out to any prospective attendees. This week, we were able to negotiate a much nicer hotel and meeting facilities at the Renaissance Hotel in St. Louis. The Renaissance actually lowered its room rate surprisingly to $79 per night and threw in free internet, parking and shuttle. These concessions are saving our participants nearly $60 from the previous hotel. The catering and AV budgets alone exceed the registration fees we are charging for members. Therefore, I ask that everyone describe your intentions for attending or not intending and send a brief description why. If it is summer vacation, that is fine, that is a risk we took when choosing these dates. If it is summer activities such as 4H fairs, baseball tournaments, or whatever, just let me know. If it is the weather and damage has not allowed you to book because of excessive repair bills, that is also fine. I am just trying to get a feel on the pulse of the industry as we analyze the success of this meeting and possibly plan the next one. If there are other challenges you wish to discuss, let me know. I would rather the Board be aware so that we can formulate policy and programs to alleviate these concerns as we move forward. Respectfully, Rick Harnish President WISPA 260-307-4000 cell 866-317-2851 WISPA Office Skype: rick.harnish. rharn...@wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] What are the Challenges?
Right on all counts Charles, 1. I would've put it off longer but with the price going up I wanted the discount. 2. Yes, easy to forget with so much going on. 3. For me, the compelling stuff is to meet more people in the industry. The fact that the whole WISPA Board is going to be there convinced me. In order to crate more Buzz I'd spam out the complete list of attendees already signed up. 4. I agree but sooner or later its good to meet the people behind the posts :) -RickG On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 12:25 AM, Charles Wu c...@cticonnect.com wrote: A few comments / thoughts 1. From our experience doing shows, the 500 mile radius drive in crowd will wait until the last possible minute to book - heck, many will decide the day before whether or not they can attend - in addition, we've found that almost 30-40% of your sign-ups will come in the 2 weeks leading up to the actual show date 2. You need to SPAM / harass more -- people are busy, and stuff comes up, and it's easy to forget when there are more pressing things to take care of (lightening, bills, new tower, etc) 3. You need to go about creating more *buzz* -- right now, there's nothing absolutely compelling that's going to get everyone to go (this is nothing against this show, but this lack of compelling stuff is what the ISPCON guys had been complaining about for the last 3-4 years before they shut that down) 4. This ties in with the earlier point, but in general, the most valuable aspect of a show, the networking, has been undone by the growth of the Internet, aka, this listserv, has made access to information, networking, and knowledge so readily available that the value of networking at the show has diminished (e.g., 10 years ago, the networking was a *must go* because people would try to cram the equivalent of 6 months worth of listserv discussion into those 3 days) -- compare that to today where someone will post a show update on the listserv within 30 seconds of that announcement -- kinda devalues the effort of actually going to the show Hope this helps -Charles -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 2:28 PM To: memb...@wispa.org; 'WISPA General List' Subject: [WISPA] What are the Challenges? Members and WISP followers, We would like to better understand some of the challenges that many of you face on a daily basis as we continue to fine tune the Regional Meeting Agenda. As you know the 1st Regional Meeting is scheduled for July 21st and 22nd in St. Louis. We have been pleasantly surprised at the response we have received from vendors in our industry in committing to exhibit at our Regional Meeting. One thing we have noticed during the signup period is that many WISPs that are attending are traveling long distances to come to St. Louis in the first stages of signup. We originally picked St. Louis because of its central location in the US and because there are a tremendous amount of WISP companies throughout the Central US. We really anticipated that 70% of our attendees at this meeting would come from a 500 mile radius from St. Louis. This does not seem to be the case and we find ourselves wondering why this to be the case. My first inclination is to blame it on weather. I realize that weather in the Central US has been extremely volatile this summer with persistent storms continually moving across the region. I am asking if this is really the reason preventing many Midwestern WISPs from signing up for this meeting or not. If it is something else, I would like to investigate further. We believe it is our obligation to the Vendors who have committed staff, money and resources to attend the meeting, that we ask these tough questions. Our goal and the budget for the RM are based on a count of 200 attendees. We are pretty sure we will reach this goal but if we are not going to get there, we need to start preparing now. As you may or may not know, we do have a price increase of $50 per attendee beginning on July 1st. It would be silly of me not to point this out to any prospective attendees. This week, we were able to negotiate a much nicer hotel and meeting facilities at the Renaissance Hotel in St. Louis. The Renaissance actually lowered its room rate surprisingly to $79 per night and threw in free internet, parking and shuttle. These concessions are saving our participants nearly $60 from the previous hotel. The catering and AV budgets alone exceed the registration fees we are charging for members. Therefore, I ask that everyone describe your intentions for attending or not intending and send a brief description why. If it is summer vacation, that is fine, that is a risk we took when choosing these dates. If it is summer activities such as 4H fairs, baseball tournaments, or whatever, just let me know
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LOL, I'm with you. I didnt even look at the vendor list, just who is going to be there. Now I see your name :) I'll make it a point to find you! -RickG On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 11:08 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: I'll be there. I've not see the speaker's roster yet so I'm not sure I'll get much out of it or not. To me, the big draw for a show is being able to hear from my peers and see my friends. I can talk to a vendor any time. It's those that are doing what I do, successfully, that I want to listen to. marlon - Original Message - From: Rick Harnish rharn...@wispa.org To: memb...@wispa.org; 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, June 27, 2010 12:28 PM Subject: [WISPA] What are the Challenges? Members and WISP followers, We would like to better understand some of the challenges that many of you face on a daily basis as we continue to fine tune the Regional Meeting Agenda. As you know the 1st Regional Meeting is scheduled for July 21st and 22nd in St. Louis. We have been pleasantly surprised at the response we have received from vendors in our industry in committing to exhibit at our Regional Meeting. One thing we have noticed during the signup period is that many WISPs that are attending are traveling long distances to come to St. Louis in the first stages of signup. We originally picked St. Louis because of its central location in the US and because there are a tremendous amount of WISP companies throughout the Central US. We really anticipated that 70% of our attendees at this meeting would come from a 500 mile radius from St. Louis. This does not seem to be the case and we find ourselves wondering why this to be the case. My first inclination is to blame it on weather. I realize that weather in the Central US has been extremely volatile this summer with persistent storms continually moving across the region. I am asking if this is really the reason preventing many Midwestern WISPs from signing up for this meeting or not. If it is something else, I would like to investigate further. We believe it is our obligation to the Vendors who have committed staff, money and resources to attend the meeting, that we ask these tough questions. Our goal and the budget for the RM are based on a count of 200 attendees. We are pretty sure we will reach this goal but if we are not going to get there, we need to start preparing now. As you may or may not know, we do have a price increase of $50 per attendee beginning on July 1st. It would be silly of me not to point this out to any prospective attendees. This week, we were able to negotiate a much nicer hotel and meeting facilities at the Renaissance Hotel in St. Louis. The Renaissance actually lowered its room rate surprisingly to $79 per night and threw in free internet, parking and shuttle. These concessions are saving our participants nearly $60 from the previous hotel. The catering and AV budgets alone exceed the registration fees we are charging for members. Therefore, I ask that everyone describe your intentions for attending or not intending and send a brief description why. If it is summer vacation, that is fine, that is a risk we took when choosing these dates. If it is summer activities such as 4H fairs, baseball tournaments, or whatever, just let me know. If it is the weather and damage has not allowed you to book because of excessive repair bills, that is also fine. I am just trying to get a feel on the pulse of the industry as we analyze the success of this meeting and possibly plan the next one. If there are other challenges you wish to discuss, let me know. I would rather the Board be aware so that we can formulate policy and programs to alleviate these concerns as we move forward. Respectfully, Rick Harnish President WISPA 260-307-4000 cell 866-317-2851 WISPA Office Skype: rick.harnish. rharn...@wispa.org WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Network Redesign
Would you leave the AP in bridge mode and let the tower router take care of the routing? On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 10:47 PM, Travis Johnson t...@ida.net wrote: One way to conserve IP space is to route a subnet to each tower rather than each AP. Have every AP plugged into a switch at the tower, and then into a router before it leaves that tower. That way you can use up the entire subnet before adding another. ;) Travis Microserv Alan Bryant wrote: On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 9:32 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: Hi Alan, We're in the process of doing this too. We're going to run a bridged backbone (mostly) with routing AP's. Mikrotik in our case. For IP space we went to ARIN and got our own (two upstreams on opposite sides of the network). We were able to get 8 class c's this way. We're also subnetting a LOT of network space. When we run out of space on an AP we'll just add another subnet to that AP and route it as well. Shouldn't be too big of a deal. Hope that helps! marlonMarlon (and others), Thanks a lot for your reply. You confirmed what I suspected. Like I said, I had never encountered this before. Good luck in your redesign. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] First nation makes broadband access a legal right
Is this the way this business is gonna go? http://www.cnn.com/2010/TECH/web/07/01/finland.broadband/index.html?eref=igoogle_cnn WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Happy Birthday to US!
Everyone please have a safe sane 4th! - Personal Liberty Digest - http://www.personalliberty.com - They Signed For Us Posted By Chip Wood On July 2, 2010 @ 12:01 am In Chip Wood, Liberty, Personal Liberty Articles | 53 Comments Happy Anniversary To Us Tomorrow will mark a full year of Straight Talk columns for Personal Liberty Digest™. How time flies when you’re having fun! As many of you know, I also write two other, shorter features for Personal Liberty Digest™ every week—Chip Shots, which appears at the bottom of Friday’s columns, and This Week in History, which appears at the bottom of Wednesday’s. As it happens, my very first piece for Personal Liberty Digest™ was about the incredible men who pledged their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor to secure liberty for us. So it seems only appropriate to repeat that message again today, as we prepare to celebrate our 234th Independence Day. Happy July 4! Every schoolchild in America knows why we celebrate the Fourth of July. Flags and fireworks commemorate the day we declared our independence from Britain. On July 4, 1776, after months of heated debate, representatives of the Continental Congress voted unanimously that, “These United Colonies are and of right ought to be Free and Independent States.” Thirteen colonies voted to become something new in history—the United States of America. Now, all they had to do was win their independence from a government that would consider them traitors. Fifty-six men bravely affixed their signatures to the Declaration of Independence. What sort of men were they? And what became of them? Twenty-four were lawyers and jurists, 11 were merchants and nine were farmers or plantation owners. They were well-educated men of means. All of them had a great deal to lose when they voted to defy what was then the most powerful nation on earth. Yet they willingly risked everything when they pledged to each other “our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor.” As I said, all of us can explain why we celebrate Independence Day on July 4th. But how many of us can name even a handful of the signers of the Declaration of Independence? How much do we know, really, about the men who risked their lives and everything they owned in the cause of freedom? Because the story of the signers is so inspiring, we’ve arranged a special treat for you today—a free copy of a wonderful little book called They Signed For Us. Half a century ago two patriotic ladies in the Midwest wanted to help others learn more about the remarkable men who signed the Declaration. Merle Sinclair and Annabel Douglas McArthur wrote a delightful book about the events of that time, including a history of each of the signers. They called it, They Signed For Us. At the end of today’s column, you’ll find a link that will take you to a free copy of the book. You may read it online or download it and print your own copy. The file also includes a list of all of the signers and the states they represented, plus the complete text of the Declaration of Independence. To whet your appetite a bit, here’s an excerpt from They Signed For Us. “SUDDENLY THE BIG BELL in the State House steeple pealed joyously. The appointed signal! Cheers rose from the waiting crowds. “‘Proclaim liberty throughout the land….’ “Cannon boomed, drums rolled. Church bells rang, sounding the death knell of British domination! “News of the adoption of the Declaration of Independence spread like wildfire. Ready messengers leaped into their saddles to ride and spread the word. The Declaration had been ordered printed on a single large sheet, ‘45.5 x 37.5 cm.,’ or approximately 18 inches by 15 inches. These broadsides were distributed with all possible speed, to be read in the provincial assemblies, pulpits, market places, and army camps.” The story continues: “On July 8, the Liberty Bell summoned citizens of Philadelphia to the State House yard for a public reading of the document. Colonel John Nixon mounted a high platform and spoke the noble lines in a strong, clear voice. The crowd, now hushed, listened intently throughout. “ ‘…for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor.’” It was almost a month later that the Declaration was engrossed on parchment and ready for signing by the delegates to the Continental Congress. Members gathered on Aug. 2 for the ceremony. The only person who had signed the Declaration on July 4 was John Hancock, a delegate from Boston who had been elected president of the Continental Congress. He wrote his signature in large, bold letters and as he did, in a reference to the near-sightedness of the British king, he declared, “There! John Bull can read my name without spectacles and may now double his reward of £500 for my head. That is my defiance.” As the delegates gathered around a desk to sign the Declaration, William Emery,
Re: [WISPA] Happy Birthday to US!
Bob, I agree with you to a point. It is US, as a collective. But, only one group has offered and continues to offer the ultimate sacrifice. Many of our great leasers such as Washington was military. They didn't just the talk, they walked the walk. I did not take the opportunity to serve, but after visiting Washington DC and seeing all those grave markers, I realize I do not know the meaning of true sacrifice. Just because they don't own the 4th, doesn't mean they shouldn't get priority. They are the only ones who actually fight against tyranny and for freedom. Dont let others tell you differently. On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 10:07 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Yes. Happy birthday to US! As in us, a collective people. But, unfortunately, tomorrow I will have to endure yet another fourth being hijacked by constant military references when this day is to be for all of us, not the military. We are ALL involved, or at least we all should be, in the protection of our civil liberties. The military really isn't the point of it. But It's how things have become. Sorry to open the door to controversy (MDK, CHILL!) but the takeover of the fourth by the military pisses me off. MLK wasn't military. The murdered students at Kent State were not military. The workers in the Homestead Strike were not military. As well as many, many, many other Americans who had enough courage to stand up and say Enough! with total disregard to their personal safety. It's to those people, AS WELL as those who were willing to lay down their life in the military, that I will say Thank You to on the fourth as well as every other day of the year. The military is for the protection of the people, not vice versa. Boris Yeltsin was able to stand in front of a tank of the Russian army and demand NO MORE, are we to possess less of an opportunity? No. Thank You. Thank You. Thank You. Thank you to US. ALL OF US! WE ROCK! Now go grill some steaks and get drunk. I'll be working. Bob- ---Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 8:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Happy Birthday to US! Everyone please have a safe sane 4th! - Personal Liberty Digest - http://www.personalliberty.com - They Signed For Us Posted By Chip Wood On July 2, 2010 @ 12:01 am In Chip Wood, Liberty, Personal Liberty Articles | 53 Comments Happy Anniversary To Us Tomorrow will mark a full year of Straight Talk columns for Personal Liberty Digest™. How time flies when you’re having fun! As many of you know, I also write two other, shorter features for Personal Liberty Digest™ every week—Chip Shots, which appears at the bottom of Friday’s columns, and This Week in History, which appears at the bottom of Wednesday’s. As it happens, my very first piece for Personal Liberty Digest™ was about the incredible men who pledged their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor to secure liberty for us. So it seems only appropriate to repeat that message again today, as we prepare to celebrate our 234th Independence Day. Happy July 4! Every schoolchild in America knows why we celebrate the Fourth of July. Flags and fireworks commemorate the day we declared our independence from Britain. On July 4, 1776, after months of heated debate, representatives of the Continental Congress voted unanimously that, “These United Colonies are and of right ought to be Free and Independent States.” Thirteen colonies voted to become something new in history—the United States of America. Now, all they had to do was win their independence from a government that would consider them traitors. Fifty-six men bravely affixed their signatures to the Declaration of Independence. What sort of men were they? And what became of them? Twenty-four were lawyers and jurists, 11 were merchants and nine were farmers or plantation owners. They were well-educated men of means. All of them had a great deal to lose when they voted to defy what was then the most powerful nation on earth. Yet they willingly risked everything when they pledged to each other “our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor.” As I said, all of us can explain why we celebrate Independence Day on July 4th. But how many of us can name even a handful of the signers of the Declaration of Independence? How much do we know, really, about the men who risked their lives and everything they owned in the cause of freedom? Because the story of the signers is so inspiring, we’ve arranged a special treat for you today—a free copy of a wonderful little book called They Signed For Us. Half a century ago two patriotic ladies in the Midwest wanted to help others learn more about the remarkable men who signed the Declaration. Merle Sinclair and Annabel Douglas McArthur wrote a delightful book about the events
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Bob, I hope my previous post didnt come off negatively as it was not meant to be that way. I'm just hoping your thoughts about the military are more positive no matter how much you hear about them tomororow or any other day. While its a wonderful thought to give all priority, isnt that like saying we should all get prioirity parking when the handicap places take up the first row? I'm not sure that works. Furhtermore, there are plenty of people in the country who dont deserve it. At any rate, my main point is that I dont think the fourth was hijacked by the military but rather WE (US) chose to honor them on on Independence Day because if it werent for THEM it wouldnt exist and the right to celebrate it wouldnt exist either. So, they earned everything coming to them on a silver platter. As for me and many others, we have done nothing and do nothing to deserve the honor. BTW: We should only worship GOD as the good book says. off the soapbox God bless the USA and everyone in it! On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 11:13 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: We should all get priority. Arlington is place where military are condensed. The lives of fallen regular Americans are diluted all across this country yet the numbers are greater than those at Arlington. No one should have priority, we are all Americans and Americans equally. The fourth is for all of us, we should worship no one but ourselves and our country as a collective. In my mind anyhow. Besides, the military have their own holidays of being worshiped. We need to know our own importance. Me, you, us, Rickeesha.. Bob- . -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 10:44 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Happy Birthday to US! Bob, I agree with you to a point. It is US, as a collective. But, only one group has offered and continues to offer the ultimate sacrifice. Many of our great leasers such as Washington was military. They didn't just the talk, they walked the walk. I did not take the opportunity to serve, but after visiting Washington DC and seeing all those grave markers, I realize I do not know the meaning of true sacrifice. Just because they don't own the 4th, doesn't mean they shouldn't get priority. They are the only ones who actually fight against tyranny and for freedom. Dont let others tell you differently. On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 10:07 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Yes. Happy birthday to US! As in us, a collective people. But, unfortunately, tomorrow I will have to endure yet another fourth being hijacked by constant military references when this day is to be for all of us, not the military. We are ALL involved, or at least we all should be, in the protection of our civil liberties. The military really isn't the point of it. But It's how things have become. Sorry to open the door to controversy (MDK, CHILL!) but the takeover of the fourth by the military pisses me off. MLK wasn't military. The murdered students at Kent State were not military. The workers in the Homestead Strike were not military. As well as many, many, many other Americans who had enough courage to stand up and say Enough! with total disregard to their personal safety. It's to those people, AS WELL as those who were willing to lay down their life in the military, that I will say Thank You to on the fourth as well as every other day of the year. The military is for the protection of the people, not vice versa. Boris Yeltsin was able to stand in front of a tank of the Russian army and demand NO MORE, are we to possess less of an opportunity? No. Thank You. Thank You. Thank You. Thank you to US. ALL OF US! WE ROCK! Now go grill some steaks and get drunk. I'll be working. Bob- ---Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 8:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Happy Birthday to US! Everyone please have a safe sane 4th! - Personal Liberty Digest - http://www.personalliberty.com - They Signed For Us Posted By Chip Wood On July 2, 2010 @ 12:01 am In Chip Wood, Liberty, Personal Liberty Articles | 53 Comments Happy Anniversary To Us Tomorrow will mark a full year of Straight Talk columns for Personal Liberty Digest™. How time flies when you’re having fun! As many of you know, I also write two other, shorter features for Personal Liberty Digest™ every week—Chip Shots, which appears at the bottom of Friday’s columns, and This Week in History, which appears at the bottom of Wednesday’s. As it happens, my very first piece for Personal Liberty Digest™ was about the incredible men who pledged their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor to secure liberty for us. So it seems only appropriate to repeat
Re: [WISPA] Happy Birthday to US!
Just so I didnt leave them out, in addition to the military, God bless our law enforcement, fire fighters, EMS, and those that dedicate their lives so others may live. On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 11:29 PM, Glenn Kelley gl...@hostmedic.com wrote: Bob - out of interest... Do you have any law enforcement, EMS, Fire or Military experience in your background? While working 9/11 - I lost many friends. While I survived with only cancer (and a bunch of weight gain) much of our platoon of EMS and Fire fighters got much worse. My children have had Tumors (the ones born after 9/11 and after my service there... ) Last I checked the parade in town had both the VFW, PBA, Fire Dept, Churches, Bikes with kids riding them, and yes - EVEN just as you call it EQUAL AMERICANS on the streets walking. Please don't take this as if I am attacking you - but I am wondering if you have paid any sacrifice towards the freedoms you hold so dear... Not saying that you have not - not done anything either... It was however through Blood, Sacrifice, Tears, Death, and yes ... EVEN WAR that our freedoms were given to us. It is through Blood, Sweat, Sacrifice, Tears, Death - and yes EVEN WAR that they have been maintained and guaranteed... Blessings, On Jul 2, 2010, at 11:13 PM, Robert West wrote: We should all get priority. Arlington is place where military are condensed. The lives of fallen regular Americans are diluted all across this country yet the numbers are greater than those at Arlington. No one should have priority, we are all Americans and Americans equally. The fourth is for all of us, we should worship no one but ourselves and our country as a collective. In my mind anyhow. Besides, the military have their own holidays of being worshiped. We need to know our own importance. Me, you, us, Rickeesha.. Bob- . -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 10:44 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Happy Birthday to US! Bob, I agree with you to a point. It is US, as a collective. But, only one group has offered and continues to offer the ultimate sacrifice. Many of our great leasers such as Washington was military. They didn't just the talk, they walked the walk. I did not take the opportunity to serve, but after visiting Washington DC and seeing all those grave markers, I realize I do not know the meaning of true sacrifice. Just because they don't own the 4th, doesn't mean they shouldn't get priority. They are the only ones who actually fight against tyranny and for freedom. Dont let others tell you differently. On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 10:07 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Yes. Happy birthday to US! As in us, a collective people. But, unfortunately, tomorrow I will have to endure yet another fourth being hijacked by constant military references when this day is to be for all of us, not the military. We are ALL involved, or at least we all should be, in the protection of our civil liberties. The military really isn't the point of it. But It's how things have become. Sorry to open the door to controversy (MDK, CHILL!) but the takeover of the fourth by the military pisses me off. MLK wasn't military. The murdered students at Kent State were not military. The workers in the Homestead Strike were not military. As well as many, many, many other Americans who had enough courage to stand up and say Enough! with total disregard to their personal safety. It's to those people, AS WELL as those who were willing to lay down their life in the military, that I will say Thank You to on the fourth as well as every other day of the year. The military is for the protection of the people, not vice versa. Boris Yeltsin was able to stand in front of a tank of the Russian army and demand NO MORE, are we to possess less of an opportunity? No. Thank You. Thank You. Thank You. Thank you to US. ALL OF US! WE ROCK! Now go grill some steaks and get drunk. I'll be working. Bob- ---Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 8:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Happy Birthday to US! Everyone please have a safe sane 4th! - Personal Liberty Digest - http://www.personalliberty.com - They Signed For Us Posted By Chip Wood On July 2, 2010 @ 12:01 am In Chip Wood, Liberty, Personal Liberty Articles | 53 Comments Happy Anniversary To Us Tomorrow will mark a full year of Straight Talk columns for Personal Liberty Digest™. How time flies when you’re having fun! As many of you know, I also write two other, shorter features for Personal Liberty Digest™ every week—Chip Shots, which appears at the bottom of Friday’s columns, and This Week in History, which
Re: [WISPA] Happy Birthday to US!
There is a difference: THEY died for what THEY thought was right. Our military give their lives for US to have the freedom to do so. On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 11:31 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: The ultimate sacrifice. The freedom riders, the miners and families at Matawan West Virginia, the protesters at Kent State. These people ALSO made the ultimate sacrifice, they died for what they felt was right. These are the ones I also feel should be remembered and thanked and if you get down to it, they took it upon themselves to fight for our freedoms, to fight for us. In reality, these are the people who are the epitome of Americanism more than the military for these stood up in defense of the moment with not thought to safety but in pure defense of an ideal. No one ordered them to do a thing, they just did what needed to be done and died for US. No one should get priority. This is to be for all of us, at least for me. We all are supposed to fight for all of us. Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 10:44 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Happy Birthday to US! Bob, I agree with you to a point. It is US, as a collective. But, only one group has offered and continues to offer the ultimate sacrifice. Many of our great leasers such as Washington was military. They didn't just the talk, they walked the walk. I did not take the opportunity to serve, but after visiting Washington DC and seeing all those grave markers, I realize I do not know the meaning of true sacrifice. Just because they don't own the 4th, doesn't mean they shouldn't get priority. They are the only ones who actually fight against tyranny and for freedom. Dont let others tell you differently. On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 10:07 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Yes. Happy birthday to US! As in us, a collective people. But, unfortunately, tomorrow I will have to endure yet another fourth being hijacked by constant military references when this day is to be for all of us, not the military. We are ALL involved, or at least we all should be, in the protection of our civil liberties. The military really isn't the point of it. But It's how things have become. Sorry to open the door to controversy (MDK, CHILL!) but the takeover of the fourth by the military pisses me off. MLK wasn't military. The murdered students at Kent State were not military. The workers in the Homestead Strike were not military. As well as many, many, many other Americans who had enough courage to stand up and say Enough! with total disregard to their personal safety. It's to those people, AS WELL as those who were willing to lay down their life in the military, that I will say Thank You to on the fourth as well as every other day of the year. The military is for the protection of the people, not vice versa. Boris Yeltsin was able to stand in front of a tank of the Russian army and demand NO MORE, are we to possess less of an opportunity? No. Thank You. Thank You. Thank You. Thank you to US. ALL OF US! WE ROCK! Now go grill some steaks and get drunk. I'll be working. Bob- ---Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 8:55 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Happy Birthday to US! Everyone please have a safe sane 4th! - Personal Liberty Digest - http://www.personalliberty.com - They Signed For Us Posted By Chip Wood On July 2, 2010 @ 12:01 am In Chip Wood, Liberty, Personal Liberty Articles | 53 Comments Happy Anniversary To Us Tomorrow will mark a full year of Straight Talk columns for Personal Liberty Digest™. How time flies when you’re having fun! As many of you know, I also write two other, shorter features for Personal Liberty Digest™ every week—Chip Shots, which appears at the bottom of Friday’s columns, and This Week in History, which appears at the bottom of Wednesday’s. As it happens, my very first piece for Personal Liberty Digest™ was about the incredible men who pledged their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor to secure liberty for us. So it seems only appropriate to repeat that message again today, as we prepare to celebrate our 234th Independence Day. Happy July 4! Every schoolchild in America knows why we celebrate the Fourth of July. Flags and fireworks commemorate the day we declared our independence from Britain. On July 4, 1776, after months of heated debate, representatives of the Continental Congress voted unanimously that, “These United Colonies are and of right ought to be Free and Independent States.” Thirteen colonies voted to become something new in history—the United States of America. Now, all they had to do was win their independence from
Re: [WISPA] Happy Birthday to US!
Like everything, there is a who, what, where, how, why. Who Independence Day really about? Surely, it is not about me or you is it? What does Independence Day for? As you said, our Independence, to be more precise, independence from England. Where did Independence Day start? Not at my house. We just OBSERVE it like most Americans. How did Independence Day begin? By the Declaration of Independence. Why is there an Independence Day? To commemorating the adoption of the Declaration of Independence. Here is my favorite bullet on the subject on Wikipedia: *In 1778, General George Washington marked July 4 with a double ration of rum for his soldiers and an artillery salute. Across the Atlantic Ocean, ambassadors John Adams and Benjamin Franklin held a dinner for their fellow Americans in Paris, France. Note the military, no others, we're the recipients of a gift for the occasion. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independence_Day_%28United_States%29 Maybe I just ramble but I am grateful for the men women of our military who actually protect our freedom, while the rest only watch. On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 11:36 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Doesn't matter. Score keeping isn’t necessary. The fourth is to be for the country as a whole. To celebrate our independence,. In this we are to be equal. Is one American better than another American? I think not. Celebration of independence in which we are all to play a part. Too much Glenn Beck where separation and categorization of Americans happens. We are one. One country and one people no matter the sacrifices and no matter the political views. We are Americans and for that we should celebrate. That's my point. We are all a part of it. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Kelley Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 11:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Happy Birthday to US! Bob - out of interest... Do you have any law enforcement, EMS, Fire or Military experience in your background? While working 9/11 - I lost many friends. While I survived with only cancer (and a bunch of weight gain) much of our platoon of EMS and Fire fighters got much worse. My children have had Tumors (the ones born after 9/11 and after my service there... ) Last I checked the parade in town had both the VFW, PBA, Fire Dept, Churches, Bikes with kids riding them, and yes - EVEN just as you call it EQUAL AMERICANS on the streets walking. Please don't take this as if I am attacking you - but I am wondering if you have paid any sacrifice towards the freedoms you hold so dear... Not saying that you have not - not done anything either... It was however through Blood, Sacrifice, Tears, Death, and yes ... EVEN WAR that our freedoms were given to us. It is through Blood, Sweat, Sacrifice, Tears, Death - and yes EVEN WAR that they have been maintained and guaranteed... Blessings, On Jul 2, 2010, at 11:13 PM, Robert West wrote: We should all get priority. Arlington is place where military are condensed. The lives of fallen regular Americans are diluted all across this country yet the numbers are greater than those at Arlington. No one should have priority, we are all Americans and Americans equally. The fourth is for all of us, we should worship no one but ourselves and our country as a collective. In my mind anyhow. Besides, the military have their own holidays of being worshiped. We need to know our own importance. Me, you, us, Rickeesha.. Bob- . -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 10:44 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Happy Birthday to US! Bob, I agree with you to a point. It is US, as a collective. But, only one group has offered and continues to offer the ultimate sacrifice. Many of our great leasers such as Washington was military. They didn't just the talk, they walked the walk. I did not take the opportunity to serve, but after visiting Washington DC and seeing all those grave markers, I realize I do not know the meaning of true sacrifice. Just because they don't own the 4th, doesn't mean they shouldn't get priority. They are the only ones who actually fight against tyranny and for freedom. Dont let others tell you differently. On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 10:07 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Yes. Happy birthday to US! As in us, a collective people. But, unfortunately, tomorrow I will have to endure yet another fourth being hijacked by constant military references when this day is to be for all of us, not the military. We are ALL involved, or at least we all should be, in the protection of our civil liberties. The military really isn't the point of it. But It's how things have become. Sorry to open the door
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Glenn, the list is dead and the timing is appropriate for a short thread on the subject. You are exactly correct, it IS about the birth of our nation, which was made so by those that dearly sacrificed towards that goal, and by those that continue preserve it. Pure simple. While we say Happy Birthday to US - as nation! That does not mean it is about US, but rather FOR US, at least in my mind. Personally, it means that I can own a WISP without government tyranny. Well, so far anyway. Which is why this subject is so important. I get a bit emotional when you read surveys that say 1 in 4 Americans dont know who we fought against for our independence. Or other historical facts about this great country. I'm sure the percentage is much higher in our ranks though! Have a Happy 4th! Remember who, what, where, when, how why! On Sat, Jul 3, 2010 at 12:07 AM, Glenn Kelley gl...@hostmedic.com wrote: BOB My office is next to yours - basically... In your part of the country? Are you serious? Let me ask a silly question - if those in our part of the country were to read this message thread - what do you think they would say? In regards to domestically - there are tons that protect our freedoms. But the 4th is about the Birth of a Nation. I seriously think your opinion here is Jacked. And thats just my opinion. We can agree to disagree - and we can also agree to agree that there is more to our freedoms than the military. Anyhow - since the WISPA list is not for this kind of discussion - feel free to hit me up in person - via email etc. Bottom line - lets keep the politics for the WISPA list to be about 1 thing - the politics that surround being a WISP. My apologies to the group for going down this path bob - we can continue - just hit me off list - so we don't break the list rules and both loose our freedom of posting here ;-) On Jul 2, 2010, at 11:54 PM, Robert West wrote: Ah, but it's not just the military that protects us. The military protects us on the foreign front but what about the domestic? Think about that. Who protects your freedoms here? Not the military. I have 100% respect for the military, many of family members were in the military. But again, who protects you HERE? We all do, as a collective. You see, there are 2 parts to this. Foreign and domestic. In my part of the country, it's all military with no mention of regular Americans who stand up and take it. Hijacked, as in only one side being represented. If we have no defense of the Constitution and our freedoms domestically, then what? Who is here to protect you? That's what I'm saying. There is more to our freedoms than the military. We are the protection. All of us. Together. How can anyone argue with that? Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 11:42 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Happy Birthday to US! Bob, I hope my previous post didnt come off negatively as it was not meant to be that way. I'm just hoping your thoughts about the military are more positive no matter how much you hear about them tomororow or any other day. While its a wonderful thought to give all priority, isnt that like saying we should all get prioirity parking when the handicap places take up the first row? I'm not sure that works. Furhtermore, there are plenty of people in the country who dont deserve it. At any rate, my main point is that I dont think the fourth was hijacked by the military but rather WE (US) chose to honor them on on Independence Day because if it werent for THEM it wouldnt exist and the right to celebrate it wouldnt exist either. So, they earned everything coming to them on a silver platter. As for me and many others, we have done nothing and do nothing to deserve the honor. BTW: We should only worship GOD as the good book says. off the soapbox God bless the USA and everyone in it! On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 11:13 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: We should all get priority. Arlington is place where military are condensed. The lives of fallen regular Americans are diluted all across this country yet the numbers are greater than those at Arlington. No one should have priority, we are all Americans and Americans equally. The fourth is for all of us, we should worship no one but ourselves and our country as a collective. In my mind anyhow. Besides, the military have their own holidays of being worshiped. We need to know our own importance. Me, you, us, Rickeesha.. Bob- . -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 10:44 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Happy Birthday to US! Bob, I agree with you to a point. It is US, as a collective. But, only one group has offered
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik question
LOL! Now you know the next upgrade will be Abacus386 :) On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 5:05 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: That's why I'm still using Abacus 2.0. Took me 6 years to upgrade to the 2.0 but the 1.x has half the beads so it all worked out for me. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 3:54 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik question Personally I very rarely use the latest and greatest of anything. Be it software, computers, cars etc. Let someone else work out all of the bugs :-). marlon - Original Message - From: Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 9:23 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik question What about the adage about staying one major version behind whatever is current? Does that only apply to Linux kernels? Greg On Jul 1, 2010, at 11:38 AM, Scott Reed wrote: I have been systems and networking since about 1980. Some of it for some Fortune 100 companies. The advice is, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. You do, however, need to know what is in the change logs, because you do not always know it is broken. Keeping things all at 1 or 2 versions simplifies life and usually makes them work better together. David E. Smith wrote: On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 20:04, Butch Evans but...@butchevans.com wrote: And whether they bother to power them up and test them prior to shipping (which I do..every one) Here's a sorta-related question (which probably should be on the Mikrotik-Users list, but whatevs) - what's the recommendation for versions and upgrades? If you're not doing anything really fancy, is it worth upgrading your radios all the time? Normally, when a radio is about to leave the office and get installed somewhere, I'll put the then-current version of RouterOS on it (right now, that'd be 4.whatever) - then, unless there's a compelling reason to upgrade, the system tends to be left alone. Heck, I've got a few boards with 2.8 on them, and they're chugging along just fine. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Scott Reed Sr. Systems Engineer GAB Midwest 1-800-363-1544 x2241 1-260-827-2241 Cell: 260-273-7239 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Happy Birthday to US!
Until next Independence Day! ducking On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 5:08 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: And THAT, sir, is exactly what I live and breathe. But alas, it's lost on so many. Have a great day! I n the heat.! sucks. But the thread should die, no need to beat on it further. See ya! Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2010 5:01 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Happy Birthday to US! Here is the oath I took Bob. http://www.lacklandchiefsgroup.org/PDF/Oath%20of%20Offices.pdf Please note two things. First, I swore to uphold the constitution against all enemies both foreign AND domestic. Also, it has no closure. The oath stands for as long as I live.. I'd venture to guess that there are a LOT of ex military types here that will agree with this point of view. Sorry this is so late, turns out none of the parks in Yellowstone where we've been RVing had internet access :-). laters, marlon - Original Message - From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 8:54 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Happy Birthday to US! Ah, but it's not just the military that protects us. The military protects us on the foreign front but what about the domestic? Think about that. Who protects your freedoms here? Not the military. I have 100% respect for the military, many of family members were in the military. But again, who protects you HERE? We all do, as a collective. You see, there are 2 parts to this. Foreign and domestic. In my part of the country, it's all military with no mention of regular Americans who stand up and take it. Hijacked, as in only one side being represented. If we have no defense of the Constitution and our freedoms domestically, then what? Who is here to protect you? That's what I'm saying. There is more to our freedoms than the military. We are the protection. All of us. Together. How can anyone argue with that? Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 11:42 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Happy Birthday to US! Bob, I hope my previous post didnt come off negatively as it was not meant to be that way. I'm just hoping your thoughts about the military are more positive no matter how much you hear about them tomororow or any other day. While its a wonderful thought to give all priority, isnt that like saying we should all get prioirity parking when the handicap places take up the first row? I'm not sure that works. Furhtermore, there are plenty of people in the country who dont deserve it. At any rate, my main point is that I dont think the fourth was hijacked by the military but rather WE (US) chose to honor them on on Independence Day because if it werent for THEM it wouldnt exist and the right to celebrate it wouldnt exist either. So, they earned everything coming to them on a silver platter. As for me and many others, we have done nothing and do nothing to deserve the honor. BTW: We should only worship GOD as the good book says. off the soapbox God bless the USA and everyone in it! On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 11:13 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: We should all get priority. Arlington is place where military are condensed. The lives of fallen regular Americans are diluted all across this country yet the numbers are greater than those at Arlington. No one should have priority, we are all Americans and Americans equally. The fourth is for all of us, we should worship no one but ourselves and our country as a collective. In my mind anyhow. Besides, the military have their own holidays of being worshiped. We need to know our own importance. Me, you, us, Rickeesha.. Bob- . -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Friday, July 02, 2010 10:44 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Happy Birthday to US! Bob, I agree with you to a point. It is US, as a collective. But, only one group has offered and continues to offer the ultimate sacrifice. Many of our great leasers such as Washington was military. They didn't just the talk, they walked the walk. I did not take the opportunity to serve, but after visiting Washington DC and seeing all those grave markers, I realize I do not know the meaning of true sacrifice. Just because they don't own the 4th, doesn't mean they shouldn't get priority. They are the only ones who actually fight against tyranny and for freedom. Dont let others tell you differently. On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 10:07 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Yes. Happy birthday to US! As in us
Re: [WISPA] Lauderdale Lakes, Ft Lauderdale FL
Yes! Call Rusty Butler (Palm Beach Broadband) 561-502-9504. I copied him on this email. -RickG On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 4:45 PM, Greg Ihnen os10ru...@gmail.com wrote: Anyone have coverage there? Thanks! Greg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT: Limiting range of Wifi AP
I just turn down the power. But I know you know that! On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 11:16 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: Hey Gang Do anyone knows a equivalent of max range for a WIFI AP? Would the ACk parameter work? WE have some restaurant chains with a free wifi for patrons, latest trend in our market is some Sat Guys selling a WIFI antenna for connecting Houses to Free WIFI Hotspots.I would like to limi the range on the APs for half a mile or so Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT: Limiting range of Wifi AP
I do that too :) On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 4:03 PM, Fred Goldstein fgoldst...@ionary.com wrote: At 7/7/2010 03:36 PM, Greg wrote: Yes, but turning down the TX power is a better idea. An attenuator is going to decrease the RX sensitivity. I agree. And keep the hot spot inside, away from the windows. The walls will attenuate the signal too. -- Fred Goldstein k1io fgoldstein at ionary.com ionary Consulting http://www.ionary.com/ +1 617 795 2701 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] OT: Limiting range of Wifi AP
That works too. Or try this: http://www.emfblock.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=5282 or this: http://www.emfblock.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=5282 If they let you, lol! On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 6:43 PM, Mike m...@aweiowa.com wrote: I solved a problem similar to this some time back. I waited to reply to this thread until I found the files I was looking for. If you place a very directional antenna, like a corner reflector in the front corner of a store and point it to the back, you can limit the coverage to the building. I devised a corner reflector that is made of card stock and aluminum foil. You rubber cement both of the pages I include here together with a layer of foil between them. It slips over the short antenna on a wireless router and directs the energy 90 degrees. Then turn down the power! Friendly Regards, Mike Mike Gilchrist Disruptive Technologist Advanced Wireless Express P.O. Box 255 Toledo, IA 52342 239.770.6203 m...@aweiowa.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2010 10:16 AM To: motor...@afmug.com; WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] OT: Limiting range of Wifi AP Hey Gang Do anyone knows a equivalent of max range for a WIFI AP? Would the ACk parameter work? WE have some restaurant chains with a free wifi for patrons, latest trend in our market is some Sat Guys selling a WIFI antenna for connecting Houses to Free WIFI Hotspots.I would like to limi the range on the APs for half a mile or so Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik User Manager Limitations and Alternatives
What if you used a second Tik box? On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 1:28 PM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: I am working on making a fresh WIKI article to walk someone through setting up FreeRADIUS, MySQL, and FreeSide. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com On 7/9/2010 12:21 PM, David wrote: You should switch to using and external radius like freeradius and use a database like mysql. David Blood -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Paul Gerstenberger Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 11:18 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Mikrotik User Manager Limitations and Alternatives We've started out using the Mikrotik User Manager package on an RB1000 for our PPPoE authentication and accounting, but the interface is slowing down now that we've got a few hundred customers on it and a few months of accounting info. And we're only about a quarter of the way into our current customer base. I like the simplicity and integration of the user manager, but is it just not practical for 1000+ accounts? What of running RouterOS and UM on x86 hardware? Is there a way to clear the log files or groom them past a month or two to keep the database size in check? The last backup I took was 14Mb. -Paul --- - WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- - WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] WISP makes the Times....
Its nice to see any WISP get some press. The comments following the article are interesting too! On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 2:55 PM, chris cooper ccoo...@intelliwave.com wrote: A tip of the hat to Rusty Irvin for making it into today's NY Times. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/10/technology/10broadband.html?pagewanted =1hp Chris Cooper Intelliwave LLC WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Autoreply: Wireless Digest, Vol 31, Issue 10
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