Re: [WISPA] Quick Question: Title II, for or against?
Agreed, thanks Fred! Sonic.net, a California CLEC offering DSL internet services, has a blog post about this topic that might be of interest to the group: https://corp.sonic.net/ceo/2014/11/12/neutrality-is-just-a-symptom/ Brett Woollum Senior Sales Engineer br...@tekify.com Tekify Broadband Internet Services Web: http://www.tekify.com Phone: 510-266-5800 , ext 6200 - Original Message - From: Kevin Sullivan kevin.sulli...@alyrica.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 3:04:17 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Quick Question: Title II, for or against? Wow, that was well thought out. I'd say that's a pretty good assessment! Kevin - Original Message - From: Fred Goldstein f...@interisle.net To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 8:26 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Quick Question: Title II, for or against? On 11/19/2014 8:49 AM, Drew Lentz wrote: I put up a quick poll, results will be shared and are anonymous. https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/3R6YTH9 I'm curious to see what the percentages are between those that support and those that don't support the Title II argument. I've been trying to get a good feel for who would and wouldn't like it (mostly it seems carriers love it, web services hate it.) I have a feeling WISPs might be on the hate it side, but I'm interested to find out. Thanks for your answer and have a fantastic day! You asked the question very poorly, so there is no one correct answer. Broadband is an adjective. You don't regulate adjectives, you regulate nouns. Broadband what? This is the fallacy of today's public discourse -- they are using this adjective as a noun without the noun, so different people use it to have different referents. I think I'm in pretty close harmony with the WISPA position here, given that Steve Coran chose me to help him give his NN talk in Vegas last month based on my detailed Comments on the topic to the FCC. And I've been writing and Commenting on this for years. Several years ago I told the FCC that they were using this adjective as a noun, but that they could separate the two primary implied nouns by using a Spanish-language convention. El Broadband would refer to the physical facility, the high speed transmission medium. La Broadband would refer to the content of the facility, including Internet service delivered over it. (If you don't know Spanish, el radio is a device and la radio is a program.) But in lawyer terms, El Broadband is the telecommunications component, and La Broadband is the information service riding atop it. The reason NN is a Thing is that the FCC, in 2005, threw away the law (TA96) and decided that telephone companies could stop being common carriers, stop providing ISPs with El Broadband (raw DSL), and simply sell La Broadband as a vertically-integrated service with exclusive access to their formerly common-carrier facilities. So typical consumers in cities went from having many ISP choices (one cable company and many ISPs available via DSL) to two (one each cable and DSL). The public reaction to this was, understandably, rather negative. They recognized that they could be screwed by their cable and telco duopolists (monopolists in many areas, and more in the future as the ILECs abandon their copper plant without replacing it). But not recognizing the difference between a network (what carries IP) and an internetwork (the Internet itself, content slung across many networks), they demanded network neutrality referring to the ISP function itself. And the FCC obliged, being basically political, by proposing the regulation of Internet services, but not regulating the actual telecom provided by the monopolists. So I'm in favor of applying Title II to the actual telecommunications component of broadband services provided by incumbents, and those using rivalrous facilities (those that exclude others, including pole attachments, conduits, and exclusively-licensed frequencies). But those who only compete with incumbent cable and telco, or who use non-rivalrous facilities and frequencies (that includes essentially all WISPs), would not fall under Title II whatsoever, and neither would the Internet backbone or anything done on the Internet itself (IP layer on up, but this does not refer to IP-based voice services provided by facility owners). So I'm in favor of Title II for some broadband stuff (where it opens monopoly wire to competitive ISPs) but not others (where it regulates the Internet or WISPs). Got it? That's why the question is wrong. -- Fred R. Goldstein k1io fred at interisle.net Interisle Consulting Group +1 617 795 2701 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] AC Voltage Regulator??
You can also use an Online UPS instead of the more traditional type. Online means the UPS is running the load off of the battery at all times. The AC charger is supplying enough power to power your load as well as keep the battery charged. They're designed to provide a stable output when the input is not clean at all. I have some Dell Online 2700W Rack UPS units and they work well. Brett Woollum Senior Sales Engineer br...@tekify.com Tekify Broadband Internet Services Web: http://www.tekify.com Phone: 510-266-5800 , ext 6200 - Original Message - From: Tim Kerns t...@cv-access.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 7:12:50 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] AC Voltage Regulator?? We found when using Tripplite UPS the battery would eventually go dead. The UPS would use battery power to boost the voltage, but remain on battery for a period of time (about a minute) to ensure the voltage would be stable. About the time it switched back we would get another drop. It never had time to recharge. The problem at the site was a phase was dropping. From: Sean Heskett Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 6:41 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] AC Voltage Regulator?? Apc battery backup. They will trim and boost for you. We have a site that drops to 100vac in the winter when the heater kicks on (old building and wiring :-/ ) the apc boost the load to 120. On Monday, November 10, 2014, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: We are having some issues lately on a couple of sites. AC mains is dropping below 90 vac, anyone recommends a good Voltage Regulator? Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] When the power goes off
We use the Prowl application for sending notifications to iPhones. It's really neat app that allows you the send push notifications/alerts to iOS devices. We use it for outage and network alerts. It has one alert tone that keeps beeping for a while and it's super annoying. You can use those for the critical high-level alerts, and a quieter alert tone for more mundane alerts. And there are several in-between. We use it with our in-house monitoring system that monitors every device in the network (radios, routers, switches, and PacketFlux Site Monitor units). Ours is currently set up to send alerts for outages, packet loss, utility power loss/restoration, OSPF flaps, etc. Check it out: http://www.prowlapp.com/ Brett Woollum Senior Sales Engineer br...@tekify.com Tekify Broadband Internet Services Web: http://www.tekify.com Phone: 510-266-5800 , ext 6200 - Original Message - From: can...@believewireless.net p...@believewireless.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 11:43:43 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] When the power goes off Techs can sleep through a txt message though. A little more difficult to sleep through a phone call but I do know it happens. On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 2:38 PM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net wrote: Screw a phone c all, but text is simple! Dennis Burgess, CTO, Link Technologies, Inc. den...@linktechs.net – 314-735-0270 – www.linktechs.net From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Monday, November 10, 2014 10:38 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] When the power goes off He wants a phone call... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 11:32 AM, Tim Way t...@way.vg wrote: Using a UPS that maintains Internet access it can be setup to send an SNMP trap that a monitoring system (ZenOSS/SolarWinss/etc) can generate an EMAIL or text message from. On Nov 10, 2014 9:21 AM, OOLLC-Support supp...@oregononline.net wrote: Does anyone have a simple solution for when the circuit-breaker gets kicked? I would very much like to have the system call me on the phone to let me know when the server has lost power. Does anyone have a cheap way to solve this? ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Anyone serving Pompey NY? PR for WISPA
I wanted to chime in and add this: Installing new underground facilities to off-net customers does cost a TON of money. Boring, trenching, etc, to install underground facilities is incredibly expensive. Permits, machinery, and labor alone are massive portions of the cost. Materials (conduit, coax/fiber, equipment) in some cases is almost insignificant since it's such a small portion of the project. From what I can tell, Comcast seems to almost always run their lines in their own conduit too. That means the cost to build to a new building may very well be extremely high. But it's Comcast's decision to do it this way, and by doing so they keep the pricing very high as Mike said. We have many customers who have shared similar stories of Comcast quoting $30-150k for a build out to a business location. Brett Woollum Senior Sales Engineer br...@tekify.com Tekify Broadband Internet Services Web: http://www.tekify.com Phone: 510-266-5800 , ext 6200 - Original Message - From: John Thomas jtho...@quarnet.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, November 8, 2014 8:39:12 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anyone serving Pompey NY? PR for WISPA And I know someone in San Ramon that the business complex is across the street from Comcast. They want $10,000 to cross the street. Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID Mike Lyon mike.l...@gmail.com wrote: That would be awesome if someone could shoot him a wireless link. Though, i have customers out here in silicon valley where Comcast has quoted them $120k in construction costs to pull coax a single mile up a road... -Mike On Nov 7, 2014 9:13 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: This would be a huge PR stunt foe WISPs and WISPA! Lets give this guy free service for couple of months! http://consumerist.com/2014/11/06/time-warner-wants-2-to-connect-rural-customer-to-broadband/? Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Off topic sorta power question....
Tim, In most cases you can split the hot leads on the 240v outlet into two 120v circuits. There are adapter pigtails for this if you don't want to hardware it. From memory, our local hardware store sells these (in the US). A quick Google search revealed this: http://www.wayfair.com/Champion-Power-Equipment-Generator-Y-Adapter-for-Champion-Power-Equipment-48035-L771-K~CXP1067.html?refid=GX50899353420-CXP1067device=cptid=75696510540gclid=CJ_Fktv348ECFUdffgod3z4ANw Brett Woollum Senior Sales Engineer br...@tekify.com Tekify Broadband Internet Services Web: http://www.tekify.com Phone: 510-266-5800 , ext 6200 - Original Message - From: Tim Way t...@way.vg To: sc...@brevardwireless.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, November 5, 2014 7:50:52 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Off topic sorta power question I would think something like this might be the safer option: http://www.certifiedmtp.com/step-up-step-down-transformer-500w/?gclid=CNWj1Kro48ECFQipaQodB74ADQ That said I'm not an electrician and I think that question might be best answered by one. Tim Way On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 9:38 AM, Scott Carullo sc...@brevardwireless.com wrote: I need to place a 120v normal 1U router in a rack that only has 240v twist lock receptacles available for power. I need to put a UPS there so I just looked for a 240v UPS with the right plugs but because they are made for a lot larger load they were way bigger (and more expensive) than what I was looking for. SO... anyone have a better way to do this? I have considered taking one leg and bonding the neutral and ground, but. Thanks Scott Carullo Technical Operations 855-FLSPEED x102 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Wisp in Bay Farm Island? SFO - Oakland Area
Gino, Call Peter over at Unwired in Berkley. http://unwiredltd.com/ We serve the East Bay too, but not that far north. Brett Woollum Senior Sales Engineer br...@tekify.com Tekify Broadband Internet Services Web: http://www.tekify.com Phone: 510-266-5800 , ext 6200 - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 4, 2014 12:22:57 PM Subject: [WISPA] Wisp in Bay Farm Island? SFO - Oakland Area Got a friend needing alternatives, anyone serving? Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] hopper wifi
I have the Hopper at home and use a Mikrotik router with a Ubiquiti RocketM5 feed coming in, and 2 UniFi AP's inside. I do see multiple DHCP leases on the Mikrotik router from the Hopper system. This is because the Hopper kit also has Joey's, which are the sub-boxes located in other rooms. Each device appears on the network and receives it's own IP. In my case I have them plugged in using Ethernet so they all get an IP and use Ethernet to stream the content between them. I think you would also see this if the Joey's are connected using coax as well because since the coax runs Ethernet using MoCA or whatever protocol it is these days. In the case you describe I'm wondering if that Hopper kit is set up using the coax to connect to the Joey units, and the Hopper is the gateway for them to the Ethernet network. Brett Woollum Senior Sales Engineer br...@tekify.com Tekify Broadband Internet Services Web: http://www.tekify.com Phone: 510-266-5800 , ext 6200 - Original Message - From: heith wi...@mncomm.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2014 10:22:56 AM Subject: [WISPA] hopper wifi I have 2 partners that deal with dish network. One of them was having real weird issues with his connection at his home/office using a ubnt router when everything looked good. I sent him a Tik router and 2 unifi APs to clean up his mess of wifi gear. Everything was working good then went to hell. I logged into his router and could see his Hopper MAC address pulling several addresses under ARP. He didn’t want to trouble shoot so he just unplugged the hopper. A different partner who has always used a tik called me yesterday and his router was down. This has happened a few times over the last month. He did a reboot and came back up. While looking at his arp table I noticed the same arp issue with his hopper. I had a customer call today using ubnt router. He said he was connected but no internet. Radio looked good. Logged into router and I could see he had a Hopper as well. I did a remote reboot and it cleared up. I don’t have Sat TV so I have never seen a Hopper. Almost looks like WDS issue. On the ubnt router of course the arp table is not as active on tik so I don’t know if it was doing the same thing. Would DHCP reservation help, on the tik, or is there something else I should be looking for on the Hopper? Thanks Heith ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Number of Census Blocks Covered?
I had 6,000+ for our suburban area which includes 183sq mi and 490k population. I imagine our blocks are much denser than a rural area, for example. http://community.ubnt.com/t5/Business-Talk/New-FCC-477-Filing-Requirements-Data-Conversion-Tools-SOLVED/m-p/1013743#U1013743 Brett Woollum Senior Sales Engineer br...@tekify.com Tekify Broadband Internet Services Web: http://www.tekify.com Phone: 510-266-5800 , ext 6200 - Original Message - From: Jim Patient jpati...@linktechs.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org, memb...@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 2:03:00 PM Subject: [WISPA] Number of Census Blocks Covered? Our actual RF coverage area is 702 square miles. This is 5503 census blocks that we have service available in and not just blocks we have subscribers in. That comes to about 7.83 blocks per square mile on average. Just curious if y'all are seeing this many blocks per square mile in other areas? Be sure you're not under submitting on the 477 fixed broadband deployment section. This is for areas you can provide service in and not only blocks you have subscribers in. We don't want to under represent our ability to provide service in these areas. Jim Patient Office: 314-735-0270 linktechs.net towercoverage.com ispradio.com ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released
http://ec2-54-90-168-54.compute-1.amazonaws.com/news/16/78/Mimosa-Networks-Unveils-First-Products-in-Cloud-to-Client-Internet-Access-Ecosystem/d,flat-blog-detail.html The B5 Backhaul radio is available for order in two versions – an antenna-integrated 5 GHz backhaul radio (B5); and a connectorized radio-only version (B5c). The B5 ( List Price: $899 for B5, $839 for B5c ) will begin shipping to customers in Fall 2014. Brett Woollum Senior Sales Engineer br...@tekify.com Tekify Broadband Internet Services Web: http://www.tekify.com Phone: 510-266-5800 , ext 6200 - Original Message - From: Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, August 5, 2014 10:22:52 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released where is price on this? cant find it on website Sent from my iPhone Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Aug 5, 2014, at 9:10 AM, Jaime Fink ja...@mimosa.co wrote: Joe Adair Pricing details will be officially released in our press release at 8am PST, on our website www.mimosa.co , and products on display at the Streakwave Building Bridges event in San Francisco starting tomorrow. 2 more hours guys! Cheers! Jaime Fink • Mimosa • Chief Product Officer 300 Orchard City Dr Ste 100 • Campbell • CA 95008 • www.mimosa.co This email may contain confidential and privileged material for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). Any review, use, distribution or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient (or authorized to receive for the recipient), please contact the sender by reply email and delete all copies of this message. On Aug 5, 2014, at 5:59 AM, Adair Winter ada...@amarillowireless.net wrote: blockquote What's something like this going to cost? Or is that still a highly guarded secret? :) On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 7:49 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: blockquote http://www.mimosa.co/home/b5-page.html Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Adair Winter VP of Network Operations / Owner Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 C: 806.231.7180 http://www.amarillowireless.net ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless /blockquote /blockquote blockquote ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless /blockquote ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released
You see what I see. I imagine that is per side (per radio). Brett Woollum Senior Sales Engineer br...@tekify.com Tekify Broadband Internet Services Web: http://www.tekify.com Phone: 510-266-5800 , ext 6200 - Original Message - From: Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, August 5, 2014 11:13:07 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released is that price per link or per radio Sent from my iPhone Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Aug 5, 2014, at 1:53 PM, Brett Woollum br...@tekify.com wrote: http://ec2-54-90-168-54.compute-1.amazonaws.com/news/16/78/Mimosa-Networks-Unveils-First-Products-in-Cloud-to-Client-Internet-Access-Ecosystem/d,flat-blog-detail.html The B5 Backhaul radio is available for order in two versions – an antenna-integrated 5 GHz backhaul radio (B5); and a connectorized radio-only version (B5c). The B5 ( List Price: $899 for B5, $839 for B5c ) will begin shipping to customers in Fall 2014. Brett Woollum Senior Sales Engineer br...@tekify.com Tekify Broadband Internet Services Web: http://www.tekify.com Phone: 510-266-5800 , ext 6200 - Original Message - From: Kurt Fankhauser li...@wavelinc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, August 5, 2014 10:22:52 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released where is price on this? cant find it on website Sent from my iPhone Kurt Fankhauser Wavelinc Communications P.O. Box 126 Bucyrus, OH 44820 http://www.wavelinc.com tel. 419-562-6405 fax. 419-617-0110 On Aug 5, 2014, at 9:10 AM, Jaime Fink ja...@mimosa.co wrote: blockquote Joe Adair Pricing details will be officially released in our press release at 8am PST, on our website www.mimosa.co , and products on display at the Streakwave Building Bridges event in San Francisco starting tomorrow. 2 more hours guys! Cheers! Jaime Fink • Mimosa • Chief Product Officer 300 Orchard City Dr Ste 100 • Campbell • CA 95008 • www.mimosa.co This email may contain confidential and privileged material for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). Any review, use, distribution or disclosure by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient (or authorized to receive for the recipient), please contact the sender by reply email and delete all copies of this message. On Aug 5, 2014, at 5:59 AM, Adair Winter ada...@amarillowireless.net wrote: blockquote What's something like this going to cost? Or is that still a highly guarded secret? :) On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 7:49 AM, Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com wrote: blockquote http://www.mimosa.co/home/b5-page.html Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Adair Winter VP of Network Operations / Owner Amarillo Wireless | 806.316.5071 C: 806.231.7180 http://www.amarillowireless.net ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless /blockquote /blockquote blockquote ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless /blockquote ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless /blockquote blockquote ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless /blockquote ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Ethernet over cat3 options
We've used the StarTech ones with a lot of success. They've worked well for us in cases where running a new Ethernet line would be very time consuming, or in cases where it's too far for Ethernet. http://www.amazon.com/StarTech-com-VDSL2-Ethernet-Extender-Single/dp/B002CLKFTG/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8qid=1406674722sr=8-1keywords=startech+vdsl Unfortunately Amazon is about $35 more per pair now... Not sure what changed. Brett Woollum Senior Sales Engineer br...@tekify.com Tekify Broadband Internet Services Web: http://www.tekify.com Phone: 510-266-5800 , ext 6200 - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 3:54:41 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ethernet over cat3 options Will try, thanks! Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr From: Jon Hebb j...@hebbnetworks.com Reply-To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Date: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 at 6:41 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Ethernet over cat3 options To add to what Chris said, these VDSL2 extenders are very reliable and probably your best bet. I've used a few them in a rural summer camp install. On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 6:39 PM, Chris Ruschmann ch...@scsalaska.net wrote: Look at using some VDSL2 extenders. Easiest way and we get around 70Mbps over 1 pair. We using theplanet extenders http://www.dsl-warehouse.com/product_info.php?cPath=55products_id=295osCsid=e2bffc541684f5e30d8ffd031df783a0 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 2:37 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Ethernet over cat3 options Any options for a 600’ cat3 Ethernet solution with over 50mbps capacity for download? Gino A. Villarini President Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. www.aeronetpr.com @aeronetpr ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- Best Regards, Jon Hebb Hebb Networks www.hebbnetworks.com Cell: 304.680.6777 Office: 304.460.5533 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] [Spam] Re: Mikrotik on Multi-core
Quick update: The routers that have been upgraded to run 6.7 have been working without any issues yet. This is in a basic routing configuration with BGP + OSPF on RouterBoard hardware. We'll be upgrading another edge router shortly too. Brett Woollum Senior Sales Engineer br...@tekify.com Tekify Broadband Internet Services Web: http://www.tekify.com Phone: 510-266-5800 , ext 6200 - Original Message - From: Paolo Di Francesco paolo.difrance...@level7.it To: Brett Woollum br...@tekify.com, Paul Hendry paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com Cc: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 3:46:12 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Spam] Re: Mikrotik on Multi-core Hi Brett That's essentially what we got from them too. They said that this was fixed in 6.2 and later. There were two related bugs apparently. it looks like OSPF and BGP still have isses.. in the past for sure OSPF was not working very well and it looks like it has still some bugs here and there wondering if one day they will fix that code, but I already know the answer: new routeros version = new (old) bugs Paolo, We can't use BGP. While we could in therory use BGP from the edge to the next hop router, what about the hop after that? And after that? In my case, in the past I did the same and it worked to isolate some pieces of the network. It looks like with a smaller OSPG graph OSPF and BGP talk better, but not sure if it applies for your topology We can't reasonably switch over to BGP for the entire network, so there has to be a demarcation of BGP/OSPF somewhere in the network. I'd like it to be on the edge as that's the only place we need BGP running. well I have solved a lot of issues rethinking OSPF and making it simpler. For sure, who is running only BGP is having much more stability (this is what I have heard) Thankfully we haven't seen any issues yet. I've been testing 6.7 on older MIPSBE boards (RB450G, RB493G, etc). Hopefully they'll remain stable. The bugs may be related to the newer boards (CCR, 2011, etc). great to hear, I still have no real case where 6.7 is deployed in my network so no feedback on this specific configuration. Please in case let us know :) For sure 6.x is not a good candidate for my whole network, for example I see they changed openvpn in 6.x and other feature were not working well (for me!) I've thought about switching the edge to another vendor (Vyatta, or BSD), but that's a last resort and I'll only go there if necessary. I was running OpenBSD on the edge and it was working nice, but again it's the OSPF whole thing which could not be working in your case, giving you some strange issues For example with OSPF, I was seeing part of the network disappearing, route flapping etc. Why? it's the mikrotik ospf! As said, if you simplify your OSPF topology (graph) it will give you less issues I'm going to upgrade one edge router from 5.24 to 6.7 today and test it out. Let's hope I don't find any bugs. Thankfully it's a simple setup with a BGP default route + OSPF, no LCD, no MPLS, etc. Let us know :) The main question with mikrotik is why at each release they introduce new bugs or same isses of the past... hum... Describe the OSPF poisoning your referring to. The issue we see is that over time OSPF doesn't always redistribute the default route learned by BGP. It works most of the time, but it's not always reliable. Cycling the BGP peer fixes it. Here's what Mikrotik wrote back about it: Well what I have seen in the last years on mikrotik OSPF is: a) default route disappearing b) why this XYZ route is not spread across the whole network? c) why part of the network is disappearing etc... By the way: are you sure that upgrading the whole network with YOUR configuration and routers, something else will not appear on 6.X? Personally I would just solve the edge issue and keep everyhing as it is Paolo -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] [Spam] Re: Mikrotik on Multi-core
That's essentially what we got from them too. They said that this was fixed in 6.2 and later. There were two related bugs apparently. Paolo, We can't use BGP. While we could in therory use BGP from the edge to the next hop router, what about the hop after that? And after that? We can't reasonably switch over to BGP for the entire network, so there has to be a demarcation of BGP/OSPF somewhere in the network. I'd like it to be on the edge as that's the only place we need BGP running. Thankfully we haven't seen any issues yet. I've been testing 6.7 on older MIPSBE boards (RB450G, RB493G, etc). Hopefully they'll remain stable. The bugs may be related to the newer boards (CCR, 2011, etc). I've thought about switching the edge to another vendor (Vyatta, or BSD), but that's a last resort and I'll only go there if necessary. I'm going to upgrade one edge router from 5.24 to 6.7 today and test it out. Let's hope I don't find any bugs. Thankfully it's a simple setup with a BGP default route + OSPF, no LCD, no MPLS, etc. Describe the OSPF poisoning your referring to. The issue we see is that over time OSPF doesn't always redistribute the default route learned by BGP. It works most of the time, but it's not always reliable. Cycling the BGP peer fixes it. Here's what Mikrotik wrote back about it: Hello, v6.2 or newer. THere was actually two bugs for this problem one when OSPF was not redistributing BGP received default route. For this you need to upgrade BGP border routers that redistribute default route. Another problem was that default route was not installed on neighbors. For this you need to upgrade all ospf routers in backbone are that should receive default route. Regards, Maris Brett Woollum Senior Sales Engineer br...@tekify.com Tekify Broadband Internet Services Web: http://www.tekify.com Phone: 510-266-5800 , ext 6200 - Original Message - From: Paul Hendry paul.hen...@skyline-networks.com To: Paolo Di Francesco paolo.difrance...@level7.it, Brett Woollum br...@tekify.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2014 3:23:26 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Spam] Re: Mikrotik on Multi-core We also had issues with the routing package on v5.26. Mikrotik didn't want to know as we weren't running the latest release. Pointed out v5.26 was the latest to which they said no, v6.7 is. V5 is unsupported even though it's still available on the website for download so bottom line, unless you are willing to beta test routerOS on your production network, you have no support. Nice. Many thanks, Paul. - Reply message - From: Paolo Di Francesco paolo.difrance...@level7.it To: Brett Woollum br...@tekify.com, WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] [Spam] Re: Mikrotik on Multi-core Date: Sun, Jan 26, 2014 10:21 Hi Brett Hi Paolo, It was pretty bad in early releases of 6, so I've stayed far from it. me too... :( (hey 6.x is still beta not stable) I've recently found a serious issue with 5.26 where the default route from BGP occasionally fails to be redistributed into OSPF, obviously causing issues for the rest of the network. hum... I am running 5.26 on powerpc (OSPF + BGP) and I never had this issue but maybe it's because I have a different configuration Just an idea: for that specific link try to use ONLY BGP (i.e. eBGP + iBGP) so that you have the full route on the second layer routers and you can use whatever you want there the only issue that I see is: and if the poisoning is arriving from te OSPF core? Again I suggest you to use iBGP it will help a lot Especially when it happens on all of our edge routers at the same time. it's often the poisoning issue of OSPF :( The solution from Mikrotik Support was to use 6.2 or greater. well I was using 6.x on my border and after some time the interfaces were disappearing, and doing strange things. I had to reboot and I do not like to reboot the edge... I've been testing 6.7 on a RB450G and so far it's been working without issues. I haven't tested BGP yet. Do you (or anyone) have any recommendations for/against using 6.7 on a MIPSBE RouterBoard (not Power PC) for BGP with a default route, and running OSPF? Nothing fancy, no filtering, etc. Any known stability issues with this basic configuration on 6.7? well I am still away from 6.x for its stability issues. On CCR 6.7 has some flapping issues with the interfaces, people report to turn on the LCD display to have better stability etc. So, maybe it's because CCR is a new product, but what I see is that 6.x is still out of control (well... the routeros in general is out of control) Another option: you could run your edge on openbsd, it works great (I used it for years). Not sure about the performances, I mean 1Gb traffic -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39
Re: [WISPA] [Spam] Re: Mikrotik on Multi-core
Hi Paolo, It was pretty bad in early releases of 6, so I've stayed far from it. I've recently found a serious issue with 5.26 where the default route from BGP occasionally fails to be redistributed into OSPF, obviously causing issues for the rest of the network. Especially when it happens on all of our edge routers at the same time. The solution from Mikrotik Support was to use 6.2 or greater. I've been testing 6.7 on a RB450G and so far it's been working without issues. I haven't tested BGP yet. Do you (or anyone) have any recommendations for/against using 6.7 on a MIPSBE RouterBoard (not Power PC) for BGP with a default route, and running OSPF? Nothing fancy, no filtering, etc. Any known stability issues with this basic configuration on 6.7? Thanks. Brett Woollum Senior Sales Engineer br...@tekify.com Tekify Broadband Internet Services Web: http://www.tekify.com Phone: 510-266-5800 , ext 6200 - Original Message - From: Paolo Di Francesco paolo.difrance...@level7.it To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 8:49:57 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Spam] Re: Mikrotik on Multi-core I agree with you, Faisal The main problem with the CCR (see the forum) is that 6.x is still buggy and not everything runs in multicore/SMP So not sure if the CCR is TODAY the best choice for some tasks. I have tested also 6.x on some RB1200 and RB1100 and after sometime it shows some strange behaviour. The winbox looses some menus, some features are no more there (e.g. interfaces) etc I do not like to reboot my edge router I hope they will fix soon all the issues with the 6.x and CCR but today I am not sure it could go in production in my network, still waiting to see better maturity Just my 2 Euro Cents ;) Personal Opinion I believe the CCR is a greatly suited as a Tower Router or (Customer network facing Router, bridge, traffic shaping, filter rules etc) However I believe at the present x86 (i3/i5/i7) based MT are more suited for Internet Facing Edge routers (doing Multiple Full BGP Tables etc, very little to no filter rules...) Depending on Traffic load and (smaller) network design , it is quiet possible to use either one as a 'all in one' but in the long run it would be better to break out into two separate boxes. Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom 7266 SW 48 Street Miami, FL 33155 Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232 -- Ing. Paolo Di Francesco Level7 s.r.l. unipersonale Sede operativa: Largo Montalto, 5 - 90144 Palermo C.F. e P.IVA 05940050825 Fax : +39-091-8772072 assistenza: (+39) 091-8776432 web: http://www.level7.it ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
