Re: [WISPA] Jay Fuller

[Cameron Crum]

Good time to go car shopping if you don't mind a few hail dings. It's
amazing how well some of those hail ding repair places do in getting most
of them out.



On Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 11:11 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller <
par...@cyberbroadband.net> wrote:

>
> Cullman mostly took hail damage.  SERIOUS hail damage.  Some company
> vehicles in bad shape.
> Lots of our business districts are closed with roof damage and word is
> unable to reopen.
> Additionally several car lots have millions in damaged inventory.
>
> How are ya'll coping in west GA?
> Not much power problems or infrastructure problems really.  Network is
> fine...
>
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* ralph 
> *To:* 'WISPA General List' 
> *Sent:* Monday, March 19, 2018 11:03 PM
> *Subject:* [WISPA] Jay Fuller
>
> Saw a tornado in Falkville just now.
>
> Hope you guys are OK, since you are close.
>
> We have had some serious ones here in West GA tonight.
>
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>
> ralph
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Re: [WISPA] A sad day for All

[Cameron Crum]

Always a great guy to be around. So sad and so young really.

On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 9:56 AM, Eric Sooter  wrote:

> This is very sad news.Being a Platypus user,  I had quite a few
> enjoyable talks with him at his WISPA booth during conferences.   He was a
> great guy.   My condolences and prayers go out to his family.
>
> Eric Sooter
> The Junction Internet LLC
>
>
> On 9/20/2016 11:09 AM, Trina Coffey, Director of Operations wrote:
>
> Hello
>
>
>
> WISPA is saddened to learn of the passing on September 19, 2016 of longtime
> WISPA member and good friend Grant Spradling. Grant was involved in an
> accident a few days ago and succumbed to his injuries. Our hearts and
> prayers go out to Jennifer and the rest of the Spradling family.  If you
> would like to help the family, a Go Fund Me page has been set 
> up.https://www.gofundme.com/2pr6z5sk?ssid=743233687
>   &pos=1
>
>
>
> The world has lost a little of its sparkle with the passing of Grant, we
> will miss him.
>
>
>
>
>
> Respectfully,
>
>
>
> Trina Coffey
>
> Director of Operations
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Re: [WISPA] Powercode 477 Data Grossly Inaccurate

[Cameron Crum]

Deployment is your service offerings to the blocks. Basically, what blocks
can you cover at what speeds and with what technology. Subscription counts
actual subscribers in tracts.



On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 10:12 PM, Mike Hammett 
wrote:

> Well then. That sucks.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
>
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
>
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
> 
> --
> *From: *"Chris Fabien" 
> *To: *"WISPA General List" 
> *Sent: *Tuesday, August 30, 2016 10:11:11 PM
>
> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Powercode 477 Data Grossly Inaccurate
>
> Mike, I should have at least several hundred that actually have
> subscribers that powercode should have included in the CSV.
>
> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 11:09 PM, Mike Hammett 
> wrote:
>
>> How many blocks are your subscribers in?
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>>
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> *From: *"Chris Fabien" 
>> *To: *"WISPA General List" 
>> *Sent: *Tuesday, August 30, 2016 10:06:48 PM
>>
>> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Powercode 477 Data Grossly Inaccurate
>>
>> Powercode does not have a real coverage map. They do generate the
>> deployment .csv file, based upon the assumption of reporting any block in
>> which you have a customer as being deployed. That approach will definitely
>> generate incomplete results, but I'm seeing a way way worse problem.
>> Powercode was giving us 22 blocks reported on the deployment CSV, when I
>> did it by hand in GIS software, I have 841 blocks. Something seems to be
>> very broken. I just finished the analysis right now, I will be emailing
>> them shortly.
>>
>> If you guys are blindly dumping your Powercode deployment CSV into 477,
>> you really should check the data yourself somehow. I have talked to one
>> other powercode user who was seeing this problem. He actually had a mapping
>> background and helped me do the analysis in MapInfo.
>>
>> Chris Fabien
>> LakeNet LLC
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 10:53 PM, Mike Hammett 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Does PowerCode have any way to calculate the deployment file?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>>
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>
>>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>
>>> The Brothers WISP 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> *From: *"Adair Winter" 
>>> *To: *"WISPA General List" 
>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, August 30, 2016 9:52:10 PM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Powercode 477 Data Grossly Inaccurate
>>>
>>>
>>> *shrug*
>>> When I do the export from powercode it dumps two .csv files.
>>> DeploymentData.csv and SubscriptionData.csv. Both of which I just load in
>>> to the fcc 477 site.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 30, 2016 at 9:42 PM, Mike Hammett 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Does Powercode do deployment or only subscriber?



 -
 Mike Hammett

 Intelligent Computing Solutions 
 
 
 
 

 Midwest Internet Exchange 
 
 
 

 The Brothers WISP 

Re: [WISPA] security certificate

[Cameron Crum]

SSLs.com $4.99/year

On Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 2:21 PM, Jon Hebb  wrote:

> You can find a 1-Yr Comodo PositveSSL Wildcard cert for less than $100
> online if you search around, which would be more than enough to install on
> your AP's.
>
> On Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 1:31 PM, Josh Luthman  > wrote:
>
>> There ya go!  Slap on DNS and that goes away.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>> On Oct 19, 2014 1:28 PM, "John Thomas"  wrote:
>>
>>> http://www.netcentraldomains.com
>>>
>>> $209 per year.
>>>
>>> *Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID*
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman  wrote:
>>>
>>> Few hundred?  I remember them being crazy expensive.
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>> On Oct 19, 2014 10:08 AM, "John Thomas"  wrote:
>>>
 Or you can buy a wildcard for a few hundred dollars and use it on all
 your devices.

 *Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID*


 Josh Luthman  wrote:

 Pay for a certified SSL cert for each host.  That's 50/device/year.

 Josh Luthman
 Office: 937-552-2340
 Direct: 937-552-2343
 1100 Wayne St
 Suite 1337
 Troy, OH 45373
 On Oct 17, 2014 5:43 PM, "Mike Hammett" 
 wrote:

> Ignore it.
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>
> How do I correct this problem? I get this almost every time I log in
> to a Ubiquiti radio.
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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth brokers

[Cameron Crum]

Might have already been mentioned, but Patrick Fidell
pfid...@bandwidthsolutions.com.


On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 11:16 PM, TJ Trout  wrote:

> Marcus at giglynx
> On Aug 11, 2014 7:47 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:
>
>> There's a few WISPA members that perform those services.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>
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>> *From: *"Josh Luthman" 
>> *To: *"WISPA General List" 
>> *Sent: *Monday, August 11, 2014 6:14:51 PM
>> *Subject: *[WISPA] Bandwidth brokers
>>
>> Does anyone have some contacts?
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
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Re: [WISPA] Cencus block to Google Earth?

[Cameron Crum]

How dies this show you the census block boundary?


On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 4:53 PM, Torin Dow  wrote:

> Here is a link to a website that allows you to upload a spreadsheet so
> that you can view the information in Google Earth:
>
> http://www.earthpoint.us/ExcelToKml.aspx
>
> It tells you what columns are required and you can even pick what icons,
> colors, sizes , etc to use.
>
> Good luck,
>
> Torin
>
> Torin Dow
> Technical / Sales Director - North America East
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Re: [WISPA] Cencus block to Google Earth?

[Cameron Crum]

Kristian et al,

While the ogr2ogr would work, this would require having the blocks in
individual shape files if you wanted only a few. I think you can only get
them as a shape (for free anyway) by whole state...could be wrong. That
would either create a very large kml, which may not load in a google map,
or could eat a lot of memory in google earth. i.e. Texas has almost 1
million blocks. I'm not sure you could load that many objects into either
program although I haven't tried. Using a GIS tool to only select the ones
you need and export to KML might be a better approach for those only
needing a few blocks mapped. It might be well worth the time to have Brian
or another GIS competent person do it for you.


On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 12:36 PM, Kristian Hoffmann 
wrote:

>  Specifically...
>
> ogr2ogr -f output.kml input.shp
>
> -Kristian
>
>
> On 08/11/2014 09:00 AM, Sam Tetherow wrote:
>
> ogr2ogr will do all sorts of Geo formats, geojson, tiger shape, kml, kmz.
>
>
> On 08/11/2014 10:24 AM, Gino Villarini wrote:
>
>  Anyone has a way to convert files for google earth evaluation?
>
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released

[Cameron Crum]

Are you sure we don't need an NDA to buy one?


On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 1:13 PM, Kurt Fankhauser  wrote:

> is that price per link or per radio
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> Kurt Fankhauser
> Wavelinc Communications
> P.O. Box 126
> Bucyrus, OH 44820
> http://www.wavelinc.com
> tel. 419-562-6405
> fax. 419-617-0110
>
> On Aug 5, 2014, at 1:53 PM, Brett Woollum  wrote:
>
>
> http://ec2-54-90-168-54.compute-1.amazonaws.com/news/16/78/Mimosa-Networks-Unveils-First-Products-in-Cloud-to-Client-Internet-Access-Ecosystem/d,flat-blog-detail.html
>
> "The B5 Backhaul radio is available for order in two versions – an
> antenna-integrated 5 GHz backhaul radio (B5); and a connectorized
> radio-only version (B5c). The B5 (*List Price: $899 for B5, $839 for B5c*)
> will begin shipping to customers in Fall 2014."
>
> Brett Woollum
> Senior Sales Engineer
> br...@tekify.com
>
> *Tekify Broadband Internet Services*
> Web: http://www.tekify.com
> Phone: 510-266-5800, ext 6200
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> *To: *"WISPA General List" 
> *Sent: *Tuesday, August 5, 2014 10:22:52 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Mimosa Networks New product released
>
> where is price on this? cant find it on website
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> Kurt Fankhauser
> Wavelinc Communications
> P.O. Box 126
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> fax. 419-617-0110
>
> On Aug 5, 2014, at 9:10 AM, Jaime Fink  wrote:
>
> Joe & Adair
>
>  Pricing details will be officially released in our press release at 8am
> PST, on our website www.mimosa.co, and products on display at the
> Streakwave Building Bridges event in San Francisco starting tomorrow.
>
>  2 more hours guys!
>
>  Cheers!
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>  On Aug 5, 2014, at 5:59 AM, Adair Winter 
> wrote:
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>  What's something like this going to cost? Or is that still a highly
> guarded secret? :)
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 7:49 AM, Gino Villarini  wrote:
>
>>   http://www.mimosa.co/home/b5-page.html
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Sales Tax

[Cameron Crum]

Not that simple either. Since taxes for different items on an invoice can
be taxed differently, it gets more complex.
On Jun 4, 2014 7:19 PM, "Matt Hoppes"  wrote:

> Ok. That was a somewhat legit question. :). So it's invoice total not
> service total.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jun 4, 2014, at 8:12 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
> wrote:
>
> It would go by the Account/invoice
>
> Sate of Texas/ Tax Dept. spells out rather clearly in detail on how
> they want this type of situation handled.
>
> If you want to know, just google for State of Texas Communication Taxes ...
>
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, FL 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
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> *From: *"Matt Hoppes" 
> *To: *"WISPA General List" 
> *Sent: *Wednesday, June 4, 2014 7:51:55 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Sales Tax
>
> What if you sell the customer two bonded connections for $25 each?  What
> happens then?
>
> Sent from my iPad
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> On Jun 4, 2014, at 2:35 PM, Cameron Crum  wrote:
>
> Sam,
>
> I know when we were a wisp here in TX, we collected taxes on everything
> over $25 and all of our TX customers do it this way. So yes, tax on the
> service plan is charged at the state+local rates (if any) on just the
> amount over $25. All other services/products are taxed on the full amount
> of the service or product.
>
> Cameron
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 6:52 AM, Sam  wrote:
>
>> Thank you to everyone for your thoughts about my question. If any of you
>> are in Texas or New Mexico, are you currently collecting taxes from your
>> customers? I'm reading online that the first $25 of service fees are
>> exempt from taxes, meaning (if I'm understanding this correctly) that it
>> you charge say $40 a month, you'd have to collect sales tax on $15 of
>> that charge. Or is that not the way it works?
>>
>> Thanks again everyone! (Hope everyone in the Midwest made it through
>> that storm last night we had 114 MPH straight-line winds in and all
>> around Omaha NE.
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Sales Tax

[Cameron Crum]

Sam,

I know when we were a wisp here in TX, we collected taxes on everything
over $25 and all of our TX customers do it this way. So yes, tax on the
service plan is charged at the state+local rates (if any) on just the
amount over $25. All other services/products are taxed on the full amount
of the service or product.

Cameron



On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 6:52 AM, Sam  wrote:

> Thank you to everyone for your thoughts about my question. If any of you
> are in Texas or New Mexico, are you currently collecting taxes from your
> customers? I'm reading online that the first $25 of service fees are
> exempt from taxes, meaning (if I'm understanding this correctly) that it
> you charge say $40 a month, you'd have to collect sales tax on $15 of
> that charge. Or is that not the way it works?
>
> Thanks again everyone! (Hope everyone in the Midwest made it through
> that storm last night we had 114 MPH straight-line winds in and all
> around Omaha NE.
>
> Sam
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Re: [WISPA] Sales Tax

[Cameron Crum]

I think there are only two states that were grandfathered under that act.
Texas is one of them and I think, OH.


On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 3:08 PM, Faisal Imtiaz 
wrote:

> Varies by State..
> I will suggest that you do some reading, googleing, start with Wikipedia..
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Tax_Freedom_Act
>
> and also consult your state's tax site / office etc. for more specific
> details.
>
> Regards.
>
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> - Original Message -
> > From: "Sam" 
> > To: wireless@wispa.org
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 3, 2014 3:50:38 PM
> > Subject: [WISPA] Sales Tax
> >
> > Is there currently a requirement for a WISP (pure WISP - no VOIP, etc)
> > to charge taxes of any sort, sales or otherwise? Or does that vary by
> > location or state? The last time I was a WISP (long ago in a county far,
> > far away) we did not have to charge/collect taxes from our customers.
> >
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Re: [WISPA] Need 50Mb highly symmetrical service in Dallas, Texas

[Cameron Crum]

Might check with Belwave in DFW...Brad is usually on the lists.
b...@belwave.com if you need faster response.

Cameron


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Re: [WISPA] Redirect clients

[Cameron Crum]

Nat rules work as long as you have an ip. If it is a url you will need Web
proxyunless this has changed recently.
On May 14, 2014 7:56 PM, "Scott Reed"  wrote:

>  No proxy required, just some NAT rules
>
> On 5/14/2014 4:28 PM, Cameron Crum wrote:
>
> Most of the billing systems will do this (ours will!), but barring that,
> you could use the web proxy with some firewall rules to do it in a MT
> router.
>
>
>  On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 3:23 PM, ~NGL~  wrote:
>
>>  How can I redirect slow pay clients to a Pay your bill web site.
>> Is there a inexpensive way to do this?
>> What do you suggest?
>> Thanx
>>  NGL
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>> And if it's in English Thank A Soldier!
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Re: [WISPA] Redirect clients

[Cameron Crum]

Most of the billing systems will do this (ours will!), but barring that,
you could use the web proxy with some firewall rules to do it in a MT
router.


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>  How can I redirect slow pay clients to a Pay your bill web site.
> Is there a inexpensive way to do this?
> What do you suggest?
> Thanx
> NGL
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Re: [WISPA] VOIP Security Consultant

[Cameron Crum]

You'll probably get a visit from the fbi soon.  We had a server penitrated
for a couple hours one day a few years back. I pulled the hd and rebuilt
the box on a new disk and tightened up my firewall. A year later I got a
visit from two agents asking about it with a warrant. I told them what
happened and gave them the hd. Luckily I just left it sitting on top of the
box all that time. Never heard anything else.

Cameron
On Apr 17, 2014 6:28 PM, "Chris Fabien"  wrote:

> I need help troubleshooting some fraudulent activity on our FreePBX system
> and implementing safeguards to prevent it happening again. Anyone who is
> knowledgeable with this please contact me offlist.
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Re: [WISPA] Selling ISP

[Cameron Crum]

Because there are foreclosure laws with homes, but have you ever tried
evicting someone? It can take months.


On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 4:01 PM, CBB - Jay Fuller  wrote:

>
> Then why do people sell houses on owner financing ?
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone
>
> - Reply message -
> From: "Justin Wilson" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Subject: [WISPA] Selling ISP
> Date: Wed, Mar 19, 2014 3:50 PM
>
>
> Having been a part of a deal gone bad I recommend cash up front.  Once you
> hand over the keys it's pretty hard to get it back.  If you have to go to
> Litigation you are going to be spending money out of pocket for attorneys.
>  I agree with Cameron.   Cash at closing. If you don't do 100% cash at
> closing you should be prepared to not see another dime if you do anything
> else.
>
> I know ISPs who sold, got some money at closing, and then ended up
> spending twice that money on attorney fees and still ended up with nothing.
>  Selling a business should be like selling a high dollar item.  If I was
> going to sell a car I sure wouldn't sell it on contract.   Too many things
> can go wrong.
>
> If I had 100% ownership in an ISP today and wanted to sell I would take a
> hit on the overall price.  If then user couldn't afford it and I really
> needed to sell for whatever reason I would simply take a lower price.  Less
> stress that way.
>
> Justin
>
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>
>
> From: "Hass, Douglas A." 
> Reply-To: WISPA General List 
> Date: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 at 3:08 PM
> To: WISPA General List 
>
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Selling ISP
>
> Cameron--
>
>
>
> There's lots of ways to structure the deal so that you're protected, even
> if the buyer is a complete imbecile and even if the buyer doesn't have cash
> up front.  If you want to sell or if you want to buy, don't let the
> all-cash restriction prevent you from making a deal.  If you end up in
> court chasing payments from the buyer, then you likely didn't draft your
> agreement carefully enough given your tolerance for risk (of course, your
> due diligence should be telling you whether the buyer is an imbecile, and
> that information should inform what kind of deal you're willing to accept).
>
>
>
> To categorically reject buyers who don't have 100% cash to hand you at
> closing might mean leaving money on the table or more flexible terms from
> someone who can put together a more attractive end package.  In that sense,
> it works like selling real estate.  The all-cash offer isn't always your
> best one.
>
>
>
> To Randy's point--Jab has undergone a major shakeup at the top.  Many of
> the senior executive staff have departed in the last few months.  That
> might account for some of the quietness.  I don't have any inside
> information, just what I learned trying to round up potential panelists and
> speakers for WISPAmerica.
>
>
>
> Doug
>
>
>
> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> *On Behalf Of *Cameron Crum
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 19, 2014 1:45 PM
> *To:* WISPA General List
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Selling ISP
>
>
>
> The seller is not a bank. Why should they take on all the risk? What
> happens if the buyer is a complete imbecile and runs the network into the
> ground and defaults on payments? Now you are in court suing for money you
> will most likely never see, and even if you retake possession of the
> network, it may be in shambles or most of your customers have left. We
> walked away from a couple of buyers who would not pony up the cash. I'd say
> as one who sold a wisp, if the buyer can't afford it, or can't arrange
> their own financing, you don't want to sell.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 1:39 PM, Mike Hammett 
> wrote:
>
> There's many more buyers out there.
>
>
>
>
>
> -
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>
>
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> *From: *"Randy Cosby" 
>
>
> *To: *"WISPA General List" 
>
> *Sent: *Wednesday, March 19, 2014 11:00:34 AM
>
>
> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Selling ISP
>
> Is anyone actually buying right now?  I haven't heard much about the big
> buyer (Jab) lately.
>
> On 3/19/2014 9:49 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller wr

Re: [WISPA] Selling ISP

[Cameron Crum]

Of course there are lots of ways to get money too, besides banks. When it
comes down to it, I don't care where the money comes from, as long as it
isn't my pocket.

The guy we ended up using was an attorney and cpa and had done nothing but
put together business sales of all kinds for the last 40 years. He had
actually just retired but came back to do our deal as a favor to one of our
partners. He said a strong majority of the seller financed deals ended with
the sellers seeing less than promised for one reason or another. What he
told us was that if you are going to finance it, don't expect to ever see
anything past the down payment. Treat the financed portion like an
unexpected bonus. I followed Steve Miller's advice, "Went ahead, took the
money, and ran."


On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 3:39 PM, Hass, Douglas A.  wrote:

>  Next time you talk to the business attorney or accountant, ask them "How
> many purchase agreements for ISPs, telecom companies, and Internet/web
> properties have you negotiated?"
>
>
>
> I'll bet you a beer at the next WISPA show that the answer is either
> "None" or "1"
>
>
>
> Doug
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
> Behalf Of *can...@believewireless.net
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 19, 2014 3:16 PM
>
> *To:* WISPA General List
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Selling ISP
>
>
>
> Every business attorney and accountant has told me the same thing, cash
> only.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 4:09 PM, Cameron Crum  wrote:
>
> Doug,
>
>
>
> The problem I see with that is that you will most likely have to take the
> other party to court to enforce the terms of your agreement if one of the
> terms is breached. It could take months or even years to get a final
> judgement at which time there may be nothing left. This may be good advice
> for a non-wisp business, but in the fast paced world of broadband,
> customers will likely flee before a resolution is reached. If the buyer is
> left insolvent, you are left with nothing, and may be on the hook for all
> your  own legal fees. I talked to three different business attorneys and
> they all told me to run from any seller financed deal regardless of who the
> buyer was. Again, if the buyer can't get financing on their own, are they a
> good buyer?
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 2:55 PM, Hass, Douglas A. 
> wrote:
>
> Of course!  You have to have a willing seller and buyer to start.  My
> point is that setting preconditions before you get started (as a buyer or
> as a seller) unnecessarily limits what you ultimately would be able to do.
> Don't take options off the table until you have a specific deal to
> consider.  Then is the time to say "I'm only taking cash" or "I'll finance,
> but only with X, Y, and Z terms that protect me."
>
>
>
> Doug
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
> Behalf Of *CBB - Jay Fuller
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 19, 2014 2:53 PM
>
>
> *To:* WISPA General List
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Selling ISP
>
>
>
>
> Depends on how bad you want to sell ...we don't always want to buy.
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone
>
> - Reply message -
> From: "Hass, Douglas A." 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Subject: [WISPA] Selling ISP
> Date: Wed, Mar 19, 2014 2:08 PM
>
>
>
> Cameron--
>
>
>
> There's lots of ways to structure the deal so that you're protected, even
> if the buyer is a complete imbecile and even if the buyer doesn't have cash
> up front.  If you want to sell or if you want to buy, don't let the
> all-cash restriction prevent you from making a deal.  If you end up in
> court chasing payments from the buyer, then you likely didn't draft your
> agreement carefully enough given your tolerance for risk (of course, your
> due diligence should be telling you whether the buyer is an imbecile, and
> that information should inform what kind of deal you're willing to accept).
>
>
>
> To categorically reject buyers who don't have 100% cash to hand you at
> closing might mean leaving money on the table or more flexible terms from
> someone who can put together a more attractive end package.  In that sense,
> it works like selling real estate.  The all-cash offer isn't always your
> best one.
>
>
>
> To Randy's point--Jab has undergone a major shakeup at the top.  Many of
> the senior executive staff have departed in the last few months.  That
> might account for some of the quietness.  I don'

Re: [WISPA] Selling ISP

[Cameron Crum]

Doug,

The problem I see with that is that you will most likely have to take the
other party to court to enforce the terms of your agreement if one of the
terms is breached. It could take months or even years to get a final
judgement at which time there may be nothing left. This may be good advice
for a non-wisp business, but in the fast paced world of broadband,
customers will likely flee before a resolution is reached. If the buyer is
left insolvent, you are left with nothing, and may be on the hook for all
your  own legal fees. I talked to three different business attorneys and
they all told me to run from any seller financed deal regardless of who the
buyer was. Again, if the buyer can't get financing on their own, are they a
good buyer?


On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 2:55 PM, Hass, Douglas A.  wrote:

>  Of course!  You have to have a willing seller and buyer to start.  My
> point is that setting preconditions before you get started (as a buyer or
> as a seller) unnecessarily limits what you ultimately would be able to do.
> Don't take options off the table until you have a specific deal to
> consider.  Then is the time to say "I'm only taking cash" or "I'll finance,
> but only with X, Y, and Z terms that protect me."
>
>
>
> Doug
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
> Behalf Of *CBB - Jay Fuller
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 19, 2014 2:53 PM
>
> *To:* WISPA General List
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Selling ISP
>
>
>
>
> Depends on how bad you want to sell ...we don't always want to buy.
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE Smartphone
>
> - Reply message -
> From: "Hass, Douglas A." 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Subject: [WISPA] Selling ISP
> Date: Wed, Mar 19, 2014 2:08 PM
>
>
>
> Cameron--
>
>
>
> There's lots of ways to structure the deal so that you're protected, even
> if the buyer is a complete imbecile and even if the buyer doesn't have cash
> up front.  If you want to sell or if you want to buy, don't let the
> all-cash restriction prevent you from making a deal.  If you end up in
> court chasing payments from the buyer, then you likely didn't draft your
> agreement carefully enough given your tolerance for risk (of course, your
> due diligence should be telling you whether the buyer is an imbecile, and
> that information should inform what kind of deal you're willing to accept).
>
>
>
> To categorically reject buyers who don't have 100% cash to hand you at
> closing might mean leaving money on the table or more flexible terms from
> someone who can put together a more attractive end package.  In that sense,
> it works like selling real estate.  The all-cash offer isn't always your
> best one.
>
>
>
> To Randy's point--Jab has undergone a major shakeup at the top.  Many of
> the senior executive staff have departed in the last few months.  That
> might account for some of the quietness.  I don't have any inside
> information, just what I learned trying to round up potential panelists and
> speakers for WISPAmerica.
>
>
>
> Doug
>
>
>
> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> *On Behalf Of *Cameron Crum
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 19, 2014 1:45 PM
> *To:* WISPA General List
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Selling ISP
>
>
>
> The seller is not a bank. Why should they take on all the risk? What
> happens if the buyer is a complete imbecile and runs the network into the
> ground and defaults on payments? Now you are in court suing for money you
> will most likely never see, and even if you retake possession of the
> network, it may be in shambles or most of your customers have left. We
> walked away from a couple of buyers who would not pony up the cash. I'd say
> as one who sold a wisp, if the buyer can't afford it, or can't arrange
> their own financing, you don't want to sell.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 1:39 PM, Mike Hammett 
> wrote:
>
> There's many more buyers out there.
>
>
>
>
>
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> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>
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> *From: *"Randy Cosby" 
>
>
> *To: *"WISPA General List" 
>
> *Sent: *Wednesday, March 19, 2014 11:00:34 AM
>
>
> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Selling ISP
>
> Is anyone actually buying right now?  I haven't heard much about the big
> buyer (Jab) lately.
>
> On 3/19/2014 9:49 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:
>
>
>
> The going rate, we've seen (and has been discussed here many tim

Re: [WISPA] Selling ISP

[Cameron Crum]

The seller is not a bank. Why should they take on all the risk? What
happens if the buyer is a complete imbecile and runs the network into the
ground and defaults on payments? Now you are in court suing for money you
will most likely never see, and even if you retake possession of the
network, it may be in shambles or most of your customers have left. We
walked away from a couple of buyers who would not pony up the cash. I'd say
as one who sold a wisp, if the buyer can't afford it, or can't arrange
their own financing, you don't want to sell.


On Wed, Mar 19, 2014 at 1:39 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

> There's many more buyers out there.
>
>
>
>
> -
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> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> --
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>
> *To: *"WISPA General List" 
> *Sent: *Wednesday, March 19, 2014 11:00:34 AM
>
> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] Selling ISP
>
> Is anyone actually buying right now?  I haven't heard much about the big
> buyer (Jab) lately.
>
>
> On 3/19/2014 9:49 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote:
>
>
> The going rate, we've seen (and has been discussed here many times), is
> about 1.5x annual revenue
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Eagle One Wireless 
> *To:* 'WISPA General List' 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 19, 2014 10:33 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Selling ISP
>
>  We priced ours at 2.5x gross revenue. We had about 10 companies contact
> us.
> I would say 5 were serious but they wanted us to finance it so we decided
> not to sell.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Kevin Melson
> Eagle One Wireless
> 1505 Hwy 72 E
> Corinth, MS 38834
> 662-287-1722
> e...@e1w.com
> www.e1w.com
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> On
> Behalf Of Ryan Morgan
> Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2014 10:30 AM
> To: wireless@wispa.org
> Subject: [WISPA] Selling ISP
>
> What is the current rate for selling your ISP! I would like to sell, for
> health reasons.
> Thanks for your help!
> Jean
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Re: [WISPA] Fw: FW:2

[Cameron Crum]

Car or "bag" phones were 4 watts (and the old brick phones too).



On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 9:13 PM, Fred Goldstein wrote:

> On 2/23/2014 9:20 PM, Robert wrote:
> > I believe they are allowed to xmit at up to 6 watts, similar to clear
> > wire   I loved thinking about the power levels coming out of clear
> > wire antennas sitting on peoples desks next to where they work for 8
> > hours.
>
> My recollection is that the old analog cell phones were allowed 3 watts;
> hand-helds were limited to 600 milliwatts.  I was just researching the
> actual limits, reading OET Bulletin 65 on RF exposure.  It appears to me
> that the legal limit for "uncontrolled" exposure above 1500 MHz (e.g.,
> Clearwire) is 1 mW/cm^2.  From 300-1500, it's f/1500, so at 700 MHz (VZ
> LTE), it's about half that.
>
> Turning that into exposure uses this formula:
>
> EIRP/(4*pi*(d^2))
>
> So 6 watts EIRP at 1 meter gives a density of .05 mW/cm^2.  So that's
> about a tenth of the limit. But at about 30 cm, around a foot, you cross
> over the line, if I'm doing the calculations correctly.
>
> > On 02/23/2014 06:15 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
> >> Anyone know the eirp for 700 MHz 4g?
> >>
> >> Josh Luthman
> >> Office: 937-552-2340
> >> Direct: 937-552-2343
> >> 1100 Wayne St
> >> Suite 1337
> >> Troy, OH 45373
> >>
> >> On Feb 23, 2014 9:12 PM, "Robert"  >> > wrote:
> >>
> >>  I just recommended HomeFusion service to a prospective customer.
> >>  Buried deep in the pine trees, they had one slot that a competitor
> was
> >>  able to deliver service through.   This competitor is so bad they
> >>  _never_ answer their phone, have not upgraded technology in 8
> years and
> >>  go down for as much as a week out of four.   We can't cover them,
> none
> >>  of the others that do decent service will.  But they can and do
> use a 4g
> >>  verizon card in a router to get service.   They pay cell phone
> rates
> >>  from verizon so I told them about the fusion service as it will
> give
> >>  them 2x data at about the same price and will not have to be on a
> >>  charger all the time. 900 will not reach them.  Oh well...
>  Even the
> >>  devil gets his due...
> >>
> >>  Robert
> >>
> >>  On 02/23/2014 04:46 PM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
> >>  > Wecome to Verizon HomeFusion.
> >>  >
> >>  > Regards,
> >>  > Chuck
> >>  >
> >>  >
> >>  > On Sun, Feb 23, 2014 at 7:43 PM, heith petersen <
> wi...@mncomm.com
> >>  
> >>  > >> wrote:
> >>  >
> >>  > I had a customer cancel our service a few weeks ago in a
> town an
> >>  > hour away from me. My billing lady got the impression that
> she was
> >>  > going to use her 4G service. She lives out of town a mile
> where we
> >>  > are the only WISP or service around, aside from satellite or
> cell
> >>  > service. Our equipment was laying by her house as she was
> away for
> >>  > the day when we were there, but stated that the new
> equipment was
> >>  > mounted in our old spot. So my tech took this picture and it
> said
> >>  > Cantenna on the bottom of it. Its not like the Cantenna I
> have
> >>  seen
> >>  > in the past. I am real positive that I do not have another
> WISP in
> >>  > the area. Do some WISPS use these devices? The closest
> >>  business is a
> >>  > John Deere dealership, and I am fairly certain their IT
> would not
> >>  > allow external usage of their network, and all of the houses
> >>  in the
> >>  > area use our service. Anyways just curious if any one had any
> >>  ideas
> >>  > of what they could be using this for. I have had other
> customers
> >>  > cheat WiFi from their neighbors with different Cantennas,
> but I
> >>  > would use a UBNT device to re-distribute the service, if
> that's
> >>  > whats going on
> >>  >
> >>  > thanks
> >>  > heith
> >>  >
> >>  > *From:* 6052801...@mms.att.net  6052801...@mms.att.net>
> >>  >
> >>  > *Sent:* Sunday, February 23, 2014 6:32 PM
> >>  > *To:* he...@mncomm.com 
> >>  >
> >>  > *Subject:* FW:
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Re: [WISPA] WISP Referral Needed in San Antonio, TX

[Cameron Crum]

What part? There are a lot of wisps down there.




On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 5:18 PM, Ian Framson wrote:

> Hi Wisps,
>
> I hope you are all doing well and gearing up for Thanksgiving.
>
> If anyone can please refer me to a local WISP in San Antonio, TX, I would
> appreciate it. I checked the WISP Directory already with no luck.
>
> Thanks in advance & happy holiday,
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Help identifying this shackle

[Cameron Crum]

Why not use a load spreader instead?


On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 1:32 PM, LaRoy McCann  wrote:

> Can anyone identify this shackle?
> I think I have seen it before on the internet but can't find it now.
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Guy wire tension?

[Cameron Crum]

Mfg specs.
On Aug 12, 2013 1:06 PM, "~NGL~"  wrote:

> **
> How do you know what tension to set the cable at? There can be a big
> difference between a cold day and a hot day.
> NGL
>
>  *From:* Cameron Crum 
> *Sent:* Monday, August 12, 2013 10:53 AM
> *To:* bo...@burrow.com ; WISPA General List 
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Guy wire tension?
>
>
> http://www.shopsoundboatworks.com/losttega39.html?cmp=googleproducts&kw=losttega39&gclid=CPfV3ue8-LgCFepZ7Aod_mYA6Q
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 12:40 PM, Bobby Burrow  wrote:
>
>> These work (http://amzn.to/11ZHKc5) for guy wires up to 3/8" and are
>> easy to find on the web.
>>
>> Bobby
>>
>> On 8/12/2013 12:17 PM, Andris Bjornson wrote:
>> > Hi all,
>> >
>> > I'm looking for a field expedient (read "not requiring fancy tension
>> > meters and special equipment") to evaluate whether guy wires on towers
>> > are undertensioned.
>> >
>> > I'm currently deploying a wireless project in Northern Uganda on
>> > locally fabricated towers.  The engineer who built the towers is very
>> > good, and was able to provide structural calculations for each tower.
>> > He does very nice work, and by and large I'm very happy with the
>> > product.
>> >
>> > Someone has mentioned a method to me in the past involving plucking
>> > guy wires and watching the pulse ratebut I didn't get any numbers
>> > on what's good and what's bad.
>> >
>> > Any help greatly appreciated!
>> >
>> > Andris
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Guy wire tension?

[Cameron Crum]

http://www.shopsoundboatworks.com/losttega39.html?cmp=googleproducts&kw=losttega39&gclid=CPfV3ue8-LgCFepZ7Aod_mYA6Q


On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 12:40 PM, Bobby Burrow  wrote:

> These work (http://amzn.to/11ZHKc5) for guy wires up to 3/8" and are
> easy to find on the web.
>
> Bobby
>
> On 8/12/2013 12:17 PM, Andris Bjornson wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I'm looking for a field expedient (read "not requiring fancy tension
> > meters and special equipment") to evaluate whether guy wires on towers
> > are undertensioned.
> >
> > I'm currently deploying a wireless project in Northern Uganda on
> > locally fabricated towers.  The engineer who built the towers is very
> > good, and was able to provide structural calculations for each tower.
> > He does very nice work, and by and large I'm very happy with the
> > product.
> >
> > Someone has mentioned a method to me in the past involving plucking
> > guy wires and watching the pulse ratebut I didn't get any numbers
> > on what's good and what's bad.
> >
> > Any help greatly appreciated!
> >
> > Andris
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [WISPA] Guy wire tension?

[Cameron Crum]

Or just invest in an $80 cable tension gauge. These can fit in your toolbox
or your glove compartment. Why would you want to guess at this?


On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 12:27 PM, Kristian Hoffmann wrote:

> If you just need a tuner...
>
> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.cohortor.gstrings
>
> It works on guitars and violins, so I guess it'll work on your tower.
> Strange.
>
> -Kristian
>
> On 08/12/2013 10:21 AM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
> > You can use one of these:
> > http://loosnaples.com/how-to-use-pt-series-tension-gauges
> >
> > Or do it by sound!
> >
> > All you  need is a small tape recorder and a 3 ft piece of 2 by 4 lumber.
> >
> > Cut two small blocks off the ends of the 2x4, and nail them to the ends
> >of the long piece, on the side.  File or saw a "v" notch in the  small
> > blocks, along the long axis, so the guy wires can sit in the  notches.
> > This forms two bridges, so that when the 2x4 is placed agains  the guy
> > wire, it can be "plucked" to produce a vibration.
> >
> > Now you need to "calibrate the instrument".  Take a piece of the  same
> > guy  wire, hang it from any tree, tower, frame, swingset, anthing  you
> > can find overhead that can support about 300 lbs.  Form a loop  in the
> > guy to put your foot in.
> >
> > If you step in the loop and hang you will tension the guy to your
> > weight. (say about 200 lbs).  While under tension, perhaps from a
> > friend, place the 2x4 against the wire, and pluck it like a guitar
> > string.  Record the tone on your tape recorder several times. Hint:
> > placing the recorder directly on the 2x4 helps capture the tone.
> >
> > Now, while you tension your tower guys wires, place the 2x4 against the
> >guys, and pluck them in the same way, listening to the tape recorded
> > tone. When the tension is the same as your weight, the tones will be
> > equal.
> >
> > If you want to double the tension to twice your weight (say to 400 lbs),
> >the tone will have to be twice the frequency. There are several ways
> > to  do this.
> >
> > One is to make another bridge from a notched block of wood,  and place
> > it at 1/2 of the original separation distance. Another (if  you have a
> > sound card and microphone) is to use your computer to measure the
> > frequency, and then produce one with  twice that frequency with a tone
> > generator.  Record that frequency on your tape recorder,
> > and use it in  the field for the 400 lb "note"
> >
> >
> > Matt Hoppes
> > Director of Information Technology
> > Indigo Wireless
> > +1 (570) 723-7312
> >
> > On 8/12/13 1:17 PM, Andris Bjornson wrote:
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> I'm looking for a field expedient (read "not requiring fancy tension
> >> meters and special equipment") to evaluate whether guy wires on towers
> >> are undertensioned.
> >>
> >> I'm currently deploying a wireless project in Northern Uganda on
> >> locally fabricated towers.  The engineer who built the towers is very
> >> good, and was able to provide structural calculations for each tower.
> >> He does very nice work, and by and large I'm very happy with the
> >> product.
> >>
> >> Someone has mentioned a method to me in the past involving plucking
> >> guy wires and watching the pulse ratebut I didn't get any numbers
> >> on what's good and what's bad.
> >>
> >> Any help greatly appreciated!
> >>
> >> Andris
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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Re: [WISPA] Anybody using this PoE switch?

[Cameron Crum]

Can you have different voltage on different ports or is it just one voltage
on all ports? It would be cool if someone could build one that took 48v in
and allowed 12/24/48 out selectively. Add in surge protection and that
would be a neat device. I'm sure it would cost a little bit, but it sure
would make things tidy. Although with a small unit like this, you could
have two or three running different voltages and probably have some ports
to spare. Not that I need such  a device anymore, but it could be cool.

Cameron


On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 7:29 AM, Gino Villarini  wrote:

> Price?
>
> Gino A. Villarini
> g...@aeronetpr.com
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> 787.273.4143
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Gino Villarini
> Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2013 8:27 AM
> To: paolo.difrance...@level7.it; WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anybody using this PoE switch?
>
> Looks nice for small pops,
>
> Gino A. Villarini
> g...@aeronetpr.com
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> 787.273.4143
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco
> Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2013 5:35 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] Anybody using this PoE switch?
>
> Hi all
>
> anybody using this switch?
>
> http://tinycontrol.eu/en/kontroler,poe-switch,168,368
>
> Do you like it? Any feedback is appreciated
>
>
> Thank you
>
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>
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[WISPA] job opening

[Cameron Crum]

A buddy of mine who contracts with the government is looking for the
following:

Housing and security are provided in addition to the pay. Any adventurous
types looking?

Required: IT Professional
Location: Kabul, Afghanistan
Assess and optimize the national IP network – Perform assessment of
backbone, recommend how to improve the configurations, train local staff
while performing the work:

• MPLS implementation
• Cisco hardware software – Consultant must have strong Cisco networking
skills
• PGP
• Routing
• Filtering

Up to 6 months
$7K- $9K$ a month tax free (See your tax advisor)
Location Kabul
Travel/local accommodation/transport provided

Hit me offlist if you or anyone you know might be interested.

Regards,

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Re: [WISPA] Easy hotspot programs

[Cameron Crum]

We have a solution with MT and radius. Hit me off-list and I can give you
more info.

Cameron

On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 2:46 PM, Josh Luthman
wrote:

> This comes up time and time again, but I wonder if anyone has found an
> easy solution yet.
>
> I have a Mikrotik.  I used to use Wireless Orbit and they did it the way I
> expect, but with the lack of support or contact I found it too odd to use.
>  I want a solution so users can easily get online via their
> phone/tablet/computer without any complication, like hotels and such.
>
> Does anyone know of a solution for this?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
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Re: [WISPA] [AFMUG] American Tower Wisp Deal

[Cameron Crum]

Joe,

This has been American Towers MO since the mid 90's when I was designing
cellular networks. I not surprised it hasn't changed.

Cameron

On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 11:23 PM, Joe Miller wrote:

> Rick,
>
> ** **
>
> I find it pretty odd that a company that was at the convention, which they
> paid money to be there would return calls from possible new clients. I’ve
> been waiting for a return call from a rep for about two weeks now. With the
> downturn on radio repeaters that are going away due to the new technologies
> that are out there, I would think that American Towers would consider us as
> a new “honey hole” for their lost revenue. They cannot be that busy to not
> call people back in a timely manner.
>
> ** **
>
> Just not getting the warn fuzzes here.
>
> ** **
>
> Joe Miller
>
> www.dslbyair.com
>
> 228-831-8881
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Rick Harnish [mailto:rharn...@wispa.org]
> *Sent:* Friday, November 09, 2012 7:07 PM
> *To:* joe.mil...@dslbyair.com; 'WISPA General List'
> *Subject:* RE: [WISPA] [AFMUG] American Tower Wisp Deal
>
> ** **
>
> I added Beth Powers to this list and the members list today.  We also
> scheduled a Webinar on December 12th.  It is found on the WISPA homepage
> calendar.  I doubt she will answer this until next week as she is running a
> marathon tomorrow in Florida.  Go Beth!
>
> ** **
>
> *American Tower 4WISP Program 
> Webinar
> *
>
> 12/12/2012 2:00 pm EST -
> 12/12/2012 3:00 pm EST
> GoToWebinar
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *Where there is a Wisp, there is a 
> way!
> *
>
> ** **
>
> Respectfully,**
>
> * *
>
> *Rick Harnish*
>
> Executive Director
>
> WISPA
>
> 260-307-4000 cell
>
> 866-317-2851 Option 2 WISPA Office
>
> Skype: rick.harnish.
>
> rharn...@wispa.org
>
> adm...@wispa.org (Trina and Rick)
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> *On Behalf Of *Joe Miller
> *Sent:* Friday, November 09, 2012 7:46 PM
> *To:* 'WISPA General List'
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] [AFMUG] American Tower Wisp Deal
>
> ** **
>
> Charles,
>
> ** **
>
> Can you post it on the thread here? I’ve been waiting well over a week for
> a response from them.
>
> ** **
>
> Joe
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> *On Behalf Of *Spann, Chip
> *Sent:* Friday, November 09, 2012 10:04 AM
> *To:* WISPA General List
> *Cc:* WISPA General List
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] [AFMUG] American Tower Wisp Deal
>
> ** **
>
> I have their entire US inventory KML just in case anyone needs a specific
> state but doesn't get an immediate response from their rep
>
> Charles Spann
>
> (270) 779-0448
>
> {Sent from my iPhone}
>
>
> On Nov 9, 2012, at 10:37 AM, "Josh Luthman" 
> wrote:
>
> I just heard back from my rep.  Got the towers in Ohio in kml and Excel.**
> **
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Nov 9, 2012 7:52 AM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:**
> **
>
> I think they've had that for about a year now.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Josh Luthman" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Thursday, November 8, 2012 7:41:09 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] [AFMUG] American Tower Wisp Deal
>
>
>
>
> AT boasts a "4WISP" program. Not sure what sparked it.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Nov 8, 2012 8:38 PM, "Mike Lyon" < mike.l...@gmail.com > wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Did WISPA score a deal with them or something?
>
>
> -mike
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 8, 2012, at 17:36, Joe Miller < joemiller...@cableone.net > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I called them last week…. Still waiting on a call back from them… L
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [ mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On
> Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 7:31 PM
> To: a...@afmug.com
> Cc: WISPA General List ( wireless@wispa.org )
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] [AFMUG] American Tower Wisp Deal
>
>
>
> I have my name in. Waiting on info from my rep.
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Nov 8, 2012 8:27 PM, "Gino Villarini" < g...@aeronetpr.com > wrote:
>
>
>
> Anyone has the details on this?
>
>
>
> Gino A. Villarini
>
> g...@aeronetpr.com
>
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>
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Re: [WISPA] 2 new tower linking web sites

[Cameron Crum]

Keep in mind that the profiles from heywhatsthat.com don't include clutter.
Without clutter it is difficult to get an accurate LOS.

Cameron

On Fri, Nov 9, 2012 at 3:29 PM, Eric Williams {WISP} <
w...@williamsteldata.com> wrote:

> Ops my bad here is the 2 sites
>
> www.towercoverage.com this is the new radio mobile site. Lots of new wisp
> tools here 
>
> http://wisp.heywhatsthat.com/ this Guy was a speaker at Wispalooza this
> year.
>
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Re: [WISPA] Another Ubiquity question

[Cameron Crum]

Because you are pulling more energy from a given cell. Current typically
flows in one direction at a time. If you are pulling current off of the
whole system all the time, AND pulling more from part of the system, then
there is never a chance for the system to come back to equilibrium. Think
of it like having four tanks of water each connected with siphon hoses. If
you have two hoses pulling water from one of the tanks, it will drain
faster than the other three tanks with only one hose. Your charger doesn't
realize that one cell is being drained faster as it is only looking at
total voltage across the system.

Cameron

On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 10:36 AM, Tim Kerns  wrote:

>   I just put up 2 new solar panels yesterday to replace 2 that were now
> to small of wattage to cover the expanded load at the tower.
>
> Panels with no load were putting out 35 vdc, at the batteries with load I
> was seeing 28 vdc.
>
> I use the tycon voltage regulator to maintain 24 vdc to the radios. Added
> cost, yes, but this is a remote site with important backhaul and I don’t
> need to burn a radio out.
>
> I was also taking 12 vdc from one of the batteries, but found it would
> drain it in about 2 weeks... the batteries do not charge evenly, maybe one
> of our EE members can explain this.
>
> 4 12 vdc batteries, 2 in series, then the 2 sets in parallel., most
> equipment is taken from the 24 vdc, one switch takes power from the 12 vdc.
> Why does this not keep all batteries charged equally, when using the solar
> at +27 volts.
>
> Tim Kerns
> CV-Access, Inc.
>
>
>  *From:* Josh Luthman 
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 18, 2012 7:49 AM
> *To:* WISPA General List  ; fai...@snappydsl.net
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Another Ubiquity question
>
>
> Because batteries are 27v.
> On Oct 18, 2012 10:45 AM, "Faisal Imtiaz"  wrote:
>
>> Call me Stupid... but what is the point of this discussion ?
>>
>> Operating the Radios @ 27V is exceeding the Mfg. Specs. .
>>  Will they work ?  maybe...
>>  Will they fail ?  maybe
>>  If you burn them up. you are on your own.. ? or at least at
>> UBNT's discretion, since you are voiding the warranty, by operating our
>> of Specs.
>>  Will it shorten the life of the Radio  ?   maybe...
>>  Will is just work fine ?   maybe.
>>
>> This reminds me of the discussions on the CPU Over-Clockers Forum..
>> If you want to play, sure nothing wrong with that.. but you are on
>> your own ..
>> If you expect it to preform well for a long time, then it is best to
>> stay within the Mfg. Specs ...
>>
>> I have often said this to folks In our industry, when you exceed
>> Specs things don't just 'break' but they do start doing 'funky
>> stuff'
>>
>> Of Course YMMV
>>
>> :)
>>
>> Faisal Imtiaz
>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>>
>> On 10/18/2012 10:06 AM, Justin Wilson wrote:
>> >   We see 27.3 volts at the battery. And 27.1 volts at the top with
>> no load.
>> >   Obviously load will have an impact on this.
>> >
>> >   Justin
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: Jeromie Reeves 
>> > Reply-To: WISPA General List 
>> > Date: Thursday, October 18, 2012 9:15 AM
>> > To: WISPA General List 
>> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Another Ubiquity question
>> >
>> >> That depends on wire size. That distance is not going to be ethernet
>> >> so I will assume #12 AWG, 400ft, copper wire, etc. You should be
>> >> seeing a 5.6% drop under a 1amp load or about 25v under load.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Oct 18, 2012 at 6:02 AM, Justin Wilson  wrote:
>> >>>  27 volts at the base.  DC has very little loss over 400-500
>> foot
>> >>> distances.  We are seeing about .1 volt loss on a 400 foot run.
>> >>>
>> >>> -Original Message-
>> >>> From: Scott Lambert 
>> >>> Reply-To: WISPA General List 
>> >>> Date: Thursday, October 18, 2012 12:16 AM
>> >>> To: 
>> >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Another Ubiquity question
>> >>>
>>  On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 10:14:03PM -0400, Justin Wilson wrote:
>> >   Many UBNT deployments running at 27volts of clean DC power. Not
>> > saying it's ideal but it works.
>>  27v at the ethernet port or 27v at the base of the tower?
>> 
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Re: [WISPA] [off topic] Anything better than Paypal?

[Cameron Crum]

Square is convenient, but expensive as far as those things go. And I'd bet
if you used it with a Euro based system, it would cost even more for the
conversion if it would even work. You might be better off negotiating a
deal with IP Pay or Pro Pay, or even Authorize.

Cameron

On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 4:13 PM, Matt Jenkins wrote:

>  Not sure if this works in Europe. https://squareup.com/
>
>
> On 10/17/2012 07:55 AM, Paolo Di Francesco wrote:
>
> Hi Mike
>
> I tried for a couple of months to work on the setup with them, then I
> guess they gave up :(
>
> Do you advice them? If so I will try again to find a solution directly
> with them...
>
> Thanky ou
>
>
>  I don't suppose IP Pay is available in Europe?
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutionshttp://www.ics-il.com
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Paolo Di Francesco"  
> 
> To: "Chuck Hogg"  
> Cc: "WISPA General List"  
> Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2012 9:33:24 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] [off topic] Anything better than Paypal?
>
> Hi Chuck
>
> first of all thank you for your considerations.
>
> Unfortunately having a merchant account here (Europe) is not as easy as
> I thought. the thing is that all the times I went to a bank asking to
> start with the process they were telling me "why do you want this? your
> volumes are so low, stay with paypal..."
> But if I do not have a decent merchant account, how should I start
> accepting the money with credit cards? It sounds like a chicken-egg
> problem...
>
> At the same time I feel (not 100%) that something is going lost with
> paypal and that is stopping the business growing. I had issues with
> walled gardens and when I do the tests with the sandbox I have the
> feeling something is not working there. I know it's not the same system
> as the production one, but right now the sandbox is giving me a lot of
> issues...
>
> Thank you
>
>
>
>  Paolo:
>
> In dealing with European payments, it has been my experience that there
> are alternatives to Paypal, but they are not much better, if any at all.
>Google Checkout might be the best alternative.  I used to use AlertPay
> as well, but it got bought out by Payza.  Then there's moneybookers
> that's on it's way to being re-branded as Skrill.
>
> Here's one thing I came to realize.  If you are willing to pay the
> $25-50 per month to accept transactions, you are better off getting a
> full blown merchant account.  They are almost as easy to get accepted as
> Paypal without the hassles.
>
> Regards,
> Chuck
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 7:22 AM, Paolo Di Francesco
> mailto:paolo.difrance...@level7.it> 
> > wrote:
>
>  Hi All
>
>  I am looking for a new "paypal" like system for European merchants. The
>  ideal would be somebody who will not ask me a merchant-id (paypal does
>  not ask for that) and that has a good payment gateway.
>
>  I know there are many around but for low volumes and micropayments I
>  think it would be nice to not pay a fixed monthly fee
>
>  Lately I feel that paypal is not serving us as expected and therefore I
>  wanted to see if there could be an alternative
>
>  Thank you
>
>  --
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>
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>
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Re: [WISPA] Oh Great take from the poor and give to the rich!

[Cameron Crum]

Funny, I don't recall rove or cheney heading the fcc. How about we dump all
the taxes or "fees" or whatever they want to call it and really label the
playing field?

On Tuesday, August 28, 2012, Fred Goldstein  wrote:
> At 8/28/2012 04:20 PM, Jim Patient wrote:
>
> Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message
> Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative";
>  boundary="_=_NextPart_001_01CD855A.858D9814"
>
> http://www.ijreview.com/2012/08/13896-fcc-may-soon-tax-internet-service/
>
>
> It's jut an idiotic screed from an idiotic extreme right-wing website
that looks at everything through red-colored conspiracy glasses.  USF was
created by Congress in TA96 as a way to pay for telephone service in rural
areas, mostly in fact red states, by taxing everyone, but mostly from blue
states.  At the time, all that officially mattered was POTS.  (However, any
facilities that could carry POTS could be subsidized, including Fiber to
the Ranch.  Only the actual ISP content was not subsidized.)  Now POTS is
declining so the FCC has decided that something called "broadband" should
be subsidized instead.
>
> Now the right thing would have been to subsidize the telecommunications
part of the service (basic service, "el broadband") and allow open access
competition to use it by ISPs and other content providers ("la
broadband").  But the Bells wanted vertical integration to keep off those
pesky ISPs.  So the Cheney-Rove FCC revoked Computer II/III and took away
the right of ISPs to use common carrier telco facilities, except dial-up.
The Genechowski FCC then decided that this vertically-integrated
"broadband" was more important than dial tone and so it will get the
subsidies.  The actual subsidy flow was capped so it, and the tax rate,
will be lower than it would have been otherwise under the pre-2011 blank
check USF.
>
> So money will flow from New York, Massachusetts, California, New Jersey,
Rhode Island, and other states that are either a) almost all Bell or b) low
cost, and go to Mississippi, Wyoming, Alaska, Iowa, the Dakotas, Idaho,
Puerto Rico, and Utah, to name some big per-capita recipient states.  This
is hardly robbing the poor to give to the rich.  It's a direct result of
the "two senators per state" rule and the negotiations that led to the
Telecom Act, a subsidy to rural states.
>
> WISPs are caught in the middle since they're the unsubsidized companies
proving that in many places it is possible to do the job far more cheaply
than the subsidy whores can do it.  The FCC recognized that with the
unsubsidized competitor rule that CenturyLink is trying to overturn.  It's
not perfect but WISPA did an excellent job of lobbying, certainly by the
standards of the otherwise-does-a-great-possum-imitation ISP industry.  So
it could have been a lot worse -- the old USF would have funded ILECs to
compete with WISPs anyway, and did so in some locations.
>
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Re: [WISPA] [WISPA Members] Form 477 Reports Due September 1st

[Cameron Crum]

Yes, typically they want your advertised rates.

Cameron

On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 6:50 AM, Martha Huizenga wrote:

> I report what they are buying.
>
>
>
>
> Martha Huizenga
> DC Access, LLC
> Ph: 202-546-5898
> Fax: 202-546-6020
>
> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy Tab
> Matt Hoppes  wrote:
> So I'm curious here
>
> The FCC Form 477 asks for: "Download information transfer rate to the
> end user (8 categories): "
>
> Is this actually what the customer is buying, or what they are getting?
>   I've always reported what they are buying, but we generally provide
> faster service to our customer than what they purchased, and as I was
> reading it this time around I wondered if I'm filling this out incorrectly?
>
>
> Matt Hoppes
> Director of Information Technology
> Indigo Wireless
> +1 (570) 723-7312
>
> On 8/21/12 3:42 PM, Rick Harnish wrote:
> > The deadline for filing your Form 477 reports is rapidly approaching.
> > Below are several links to assist you.
> >
> >
> >   /*Form 477*/Resources for Filers -/*FCC*/
> >   
> >
> > www.*fcc*.gov/*form477*/Share
> >
> > Jul 5, 2012 –/*Form 477*/Resources for Filers.*...*Activities /
> > Broadband Data and Reporting Resources (/*FCC Form 477*/) >/*Form
> > 477*/*...*/*Form 477*/System/*Guide*/*...*
> >
> >
> >   FCC Form 477 
> >
> > FCC Form 477 collects information about broadband connections*...*
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >   FCC Form 477 - Local ...
> >   
> >
> > Announcing a new FCC.gov. Tell us what you think and help*...*
> >
> >
> >   Instructions 
> >
> > 1. FCC Form 477. Approved by OMB. Filing due 9/1/2012*...*
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >   Technical FAQs 
> >
> > FCC Form 477 Technical Frequently Asked Questions*...*
> >
> >
> >   Form 477 System Guide
> >   
> >
> > Form 477 System Guide. 2/17/2010 iii. 3.18 Printing, Checking*...*
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >   Form 477 Tutorial <
> http://www.fcc.gov/Forms/Form477/477tutorial.pdf>
> >
> > Completing and Filing FCC Form 477. Overview. • This*...*
> >
> > More results from fcc.gov »
> > <
> https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rlz=1C1TSNF_enUS465US465&q=+site:fcc.gov+fcc+form+477+instructions&sa=X&ei=m-MzUJ8jwuvKAZudgZAI&ved=0CEMQrAM
> >
> >
> > Chuck Hogg also has a quick resource to help: http://477.shelbybb.com/
> >
> > Several of the Billing Software companies also have 477 reporting
> > functionality.  I’m not sure which ones, I’ll let other members
> contribute.
> >
> > */Where there is a Wisp, there is a way!
> > __/*
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> >
> > **
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> >
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> >
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Re: [WISPA] Houston TX WISP - looking for 50mb. Anyone?.

[Cameron Crum]

I think Internet America is down that way.

On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 11:47 AM, Tom DeReggi wrote:

> **
> Any WISPA members, WISPs or Contractors, serve Downtown Houston, TX?
>
> If so, I'd like to refer an exciting profitable job to you, for an event.
>
> (Originally, I was going to fly down and do it, using a 24Ghz link to a
> nearby building with Cogent Fiber. But unfortuantely I have a conflict I
> cant get out of, so my company will be unavailable to accept job)
>
> If interested, reply to me ASAP, and I'll disclose details.
> There is plenty of time before event date, but I could really use a reply
> today.
>
> Tom DeReggi
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Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo support

[Cameron Crum]

Noise doesn't change for different radios, only how it is reported. I can't
imagine that you would have -105 on a "busy" tower if even a couple nearby
radios are in the same band. Either they are under reporting or the others
are over reporting, but it seems low for a "busy" tower.

Cameron

On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 12:15 PM, Bret Clark wrote:

> Well that's pretty screwy if that's the case...not familiar with UBNT
> but something seems foo there!
>
> The Tranzeo TR5a was the last product we used from Tranzeo that actually
> worked okay...the major thing I don't like about them through is the
> client didn't automatically sweep if you needed to do an emergency
> frequency change on the base.
>
> On 07/31/2012 12:51 PM, Steve Barnes wrote:
> > I am not sure it is.  I think the UBNT Noise Floor on their radios is
> not an actual detected floor but a calculation.
> >
> > Steve Barnes
> > General Manager
> > PCSWIN / RC-WiFi
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Kurt Fankhauser
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 12:48 PM
> > To: WISPA General List
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Tranzeo support
> >
> > why is the tranzeo noise floor lower than ubnt stuff?
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Jul 31, 2012, at 12:14 PM, David Hulsebus 
> wrote:
> >
> >> A nod to the folks at Tranzeo who helped me unbrick a radio 180 ft in
> >> the air. And I'm the one who bricked it. Ken spent hours helping,
> >> reconfigured two systems there to replicate my configs. Found a way in
> >> and sent me a how-to.
> >>
> >> Price upfront is not my only criteria for purchasing.  I still use the
> >> TR5a series for backhauls where I only need 20MB links. Love working
> >> with a -105 noise floor on the Tranzeo's on a busy tower instead of
> >> Rockets and NanoBridges that sit at -85.
> >>
> >> YMMV, Dave
> >>
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Re: [WISPA] High Bandwidth 900 MHz/1900 MHz

[Cameron Crum]

Good luck. The only thing they will offer is 4G mifi type routers. They
simply don't do one-off backhaul. They make a lot more off cell traffic
than off a few hundred dollar event and they certainly aren't going to
carve out a piece of spectrum for one organization.

Cameron

On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 7:09 PM, Ian Framson wrote:

> Hi Wisps,
>
> Though it may be taboo to ask, is anyone familiar with a high bandwidth
> (50-100+ Mbps) solution from any of the cellular carriers on 700/800/1900MHz 
> licensed frequencies?
>
> We're looking for a way to "bring in" a large amount of wireless bandwidth
> for conferences at hotels and convention centers without having to tango
> with the venue over roof access rights for a site survey, mast location,
> low voltage requirements for running ethernet cable, etc.
>
> Perhaps the cellular carriers offer some sort of
> non-commercially-available 4G Premium plan that is available upon request?
>
> Thanks in advance for your ideas,
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Airband

[Cameron Crum]

If you are looking for commercial bandwidth in Dallas, you might also try
Belwave. They are a Wispa member.


Cameron

On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 9:25 AM, timothy steele wrote:

> here is a link to there LinkedIn page you might get the contact you need
> that way.
>
>
> http://www.linkedin.com/company/15499?goback=%2Efcs_GLHD_AirBand_false_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2_*2&trk=ncsrch_hits
>
> On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 10:18 AM, Rick Harnish  wrote:
>
>> Does anyone know of have a management contact at Airband in Dallas, Texas?
>> 
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *Where there is a Wisp, there is a 
>> way!
>> *
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Respectfully,**
>>
>> * *
>>
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>>
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>>
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>>
>> 260-307-4000 cell
>>
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>>
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>>
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Re: [WISPA] What you can do!

[Cameron Crum]

Accurate propagation studies require a lot more than just submitting
coordinates, heights and frequencies. You really can't just use some set of
default numbers for all the parameters involved. You need antenna patterns,
gains (on both ends), C/I values, noise figures, and a whole host of other
info. This doesn't even include optimizing for clutter categories and
elevations. If you don't have this, you might as well just draw circles as
it would be about as useful. I spent a lot of years making good money doing
just this for the cellular industry. They understood that designing a
network incorrectly had dire financial consequences. We on the other hand
seem to think of prop studies as an after thought. While I know that we
have to go where the towers are and don't have the resources to build where
we want to get an optimized network, we should still take it seriously and
do it right when we decide to actually perform the study.

Cameron

On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 11:50 AM, Matt  wrote:

> > Someone asked on the Members List what they could do to help the overall
> > cause of trying to get/protect spectrum and to avoid CAF/USF pitfalls.
> > Thought it would be appropriate here as well:
>
> One thing I always thought might be helpfull. Allow all WISPA members
> to submit all there tower coordinates, heights and frequencies to
> WISPA.  Run propagation studies on sites for them if they allow such
> data to be displayed on a Google Map on WISPA's site with the
> propagation patterns from all other members on it.  WISPA would have
> benefit of true map and users would have benefit of getting copy to
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Re: [WISPA] Payment solutions

[Cameron Crum]

IPPay and Authorize are both very easy to integrate into programming. I'd
save the money.

Cameron

On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 2:14 AM, Robert Canary  wrote:

> I have had only good dealings with PayPal.  Yes a little more expensive
> than others, but their API has allowed me to integrate some very gnarly
> programming into our back end.  They have always helped with issues, both
> as a buyer and a seller.
>
> Robert Canary
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>
>
>  *---Original Message---*
>
>  *From:* Blair Davis 
> *Date:* 5/16/2012 3:14:15 PM
> *To:* WISPA General List 
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Payment solutions
>
> PayPal is a nightmare for the merchant if the client is not honest.
>
> They are not a bank nor regulated as one, last I recall.
>
> And if you do deal with them, take precautions.
>
> setup a separate bank account to deal with them in a different bank than
> you use for your main business accounts and never leave any real money in
> it that you are not willing to loose.
>
> And last of all, they can't be trusted, nor can you get a person on the
> phone to fix things when they mess them up.
>
>
>
>
>
> On 5/16/2012 8:19 AM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
> If u think PayPal rates are low... Then u have not seen what rates IP Pay
> offers... :)
>
> The real benefit with IP Pay is that there is no finger pointing between
> multiple entities involved with credit card processing.
>
> Pay pal is easy to sign up, easy to use, more expensive tan other
> optionsbut pain in the rear to deal with when u have  charge backs and
> other issues
>
> Faisal
>
> On May 16, 2012, at 2:37 AM, Robert Kim App and Facebook Marketing <
> evdo.hs...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  Guys..
>
> believe it or not... paypal's rates are really low if you're billing over
> 3,000 USD a month
> AND as an organization like WISPA... someone can just call in and get
> negotiated rates using a promo code...
>
> I did it for several organizations i was a part of!
>
> WISPMon and IP Pay handle this for me.
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Re: [WISPA] Brian's coverage map broken?

[Cameron Crum]

Or tile it.

Cameron

On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 6:06 PM, Chuck Hogg  wrote:

> FYI, you can overlay multiple files.
> Regards,
> Chuck
>
>
>
> On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 10:30 AM, Brian Webster <
> bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com> wrote:
>
>> It’s an issue with the size of the file. Google Maps is only supposed to
>> support a file overlay size of up to 1 meg. This one is about 2.2 meg so
>> sometimes it does not act properly. And yes this file needs to be updated,
>> problem is it’s going to make the file larger and probably break it.
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Thank You,
>>
>> Brian Webster
>>
>> www.wirelessmapping.com
>>
>> www.Broadband-Mapping.com
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
>> Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
>> *Sent:* Friday, May 11, 2012 10:34 PM
>>
>> *To:* WISPA General List
>> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Brian's coverage map broken?
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Working for me now.  Weird.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> 
>>
>> On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 10:17 PM, Jason Bailey  wrote:
>> 
>>
>> Way out-dated..but it's good here too.
>>
>> --- On *Fri, 5/11/12, Chuck Hogg * wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Chuck Hogg 
>>
>>
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Brian's coverage map broken?
>>
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Date: Friday, May 11, 2012, 10:02 PM
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Works for me
>> Regards,
>> Chuck
>>
>> 
>>
>> On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 7:24 PM, Rick Harnish 
>> http://mc/compose?to=rharn...@wispa.org>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Worked for me
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: 
>> wireless-boun...@wispa.org[mailto:
>> wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>> On
>> Behalf Of Sam Tetherow
>> Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 6:55 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Brian's coverage map broken?
>>
>> Yes.
>>
>> On 05/11/2012 05:51 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>> > Does this fail to load at all or completely for anyone else?
>> >
>> > http://www.wirelessmapping.com/Google%20Maps3.htm
>> >
>> > Josh Luthman
>> > Office: 937-552-2340
>> > Direct: 937-552-2343
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Re: [WISPA] NYTimes on carrier-induced mobile spectrum crisis

[Cameron Crum]

1G was typically scrapped when they went to 2G. 1G for most was Analog
cellular (AMPS). Since digital technologies made spectrum much more
efficient, they were able to chop out some channels to deploy simultaneous
1 and 2G. They then phased out analog eventually replacing it with digital
of some sort either TDMA or GSM initially. Some waited long enough to go to
IS-95 CDMA skipping the TDMA phase and later auction winners (post 96)
started with either IS-95 or GSM. I was involved in a lot of that back in
the day.

Cameron

On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 9:15 AM, Mike Hammett wrote:

> There are too many 2G devices out there to eliminate the 2G network.
>
> Where, how much and what happened with the 1G bands, though?
>
>
>
> -
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> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Gino Villarini" 
> To: r...@ashtonbrooke.com, "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 7:50:11 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] NYTimes on carrier-induced mobile spectrum crisis
>
>
>
>
>
> Add that none are re-farming current spectrum. New technologies are
> deployed in new bands instead of reforking 2g and 3g networks and reuse the
> spectrum…. Only case is Sprint fading out Iden network for LTE…
>
>
>
>
> Gino A. Villarini
>
> g...@aeronetpr.com
>
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>
> 787.273.4143
>
>
>
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Brough Turner
> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2012 8:23 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: [WISPA] NYTimes on carrier-induced mobile spectrum crisis
>
>
>
> Interesting that this gets into the NYT:
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/18/technology/mobile-carriers-warn-of-spectrum-crisis-others-see-hyperbole.html
> or http://nyti.ms/JfUdOh
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Brough
>
>
>
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>
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Re: [WISPA] vUnity DSL bonding service

[Cameron Crum]

We have a customer using them in CA. They seem to be doing what they claim
and are very responsive to his needs. They even worked with us directly to
help him out. This particular guy has zero MT experience and was burned by
a consultant who told him he could set up the MT  to do the DSL bonding,
charged him a bunch of money, then drug his feet for two months trying to
make it happen. It never did. By the time we got to him, he had already
signed a contract with Vunity, but it works as advertised for him.

Regards,

Cameron

On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 7:54 AM, Faisal Imtiaz  wrote:

>  No, but then again a lot of WISP's do this using Mikrotik routers
> easily.. so I would not be surprised if you don't find someone familiar
> with this stuff here on this list.
>
> :)
>
> Faisal Imtiaz
> Snappy Internet & Telecom
> 7266 SW 48 Street
> Miami, Fl 33155
> Tel: 305 663 5518 x 232
> Helpdesk: 305 663 5518 option 2 Email: supp...@snappydsl.net
>
>
> On 3/21/2012 11:52 PM, Chris Fabien wrote:
>
> Is anyone familiar with this provider? They are offering a service using a
> bonding appliance that communicates over GRE tunnel to their equipment in a
> datacenter to bond multiple DSL/cable lines into a bigger pipe. Seems to be
> a fairly new company, has anyone worked with them or heard anything about
> them? Seems similar to what SharedBand and Mushroom Networks offer but
> their pricing and IP availability seem more geared toward ISP usage.
>
> Chris Fabien
> LakeNet LLC
>
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Re: [WISPA] Fleet Vehicles for Sale

[Cameron Crum]

The avalanches can have a long bed and less cab. The back seat becomes more
cab...that was the whole idea of the truck.

Cameron

On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 4:42 PM, Don Marino  wrote:

> okay. thanks anyway.
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 5:39 PM, Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
>> I need way less cab and way more bed =(
>>
>> Thanks for posting, hopefully someone else needs one of these.
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 5:33 PM, Don Marino 
>> wrote:
>> > No problem Josh.  Here is a picture for you to take a look at.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 5:30 PM, Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Pictures?  What's the 2003 Avalanche look like?  Utility bed?
>> >>
>> >> Josh Luthman
>> >> Office: 937-552-2340
>> >> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> >> 1100 Wayne St
>> >> Suite 1337
>> >> Troy, OH 45373
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 5:28 PM, Don Marino 
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > Hello All,   Anyone interested in buying bucket trucks please let me
>> >> > know.
>> >> >  We are selling a 1997 and 1999 bucket trucks with hydraulic lifts.
>> >> >  Also
>> >> > selling 2003 Chevy Avalanche and 2004 Special edition Envoy.
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Re: [WISPA] tower height near airport

[Cameron Crum]

There is a consultant out there, Ken Patterson ( http://airspace-ken.com/ )
 that I utilized back when I worked for Sprint and several consulting
companies. I think his fee to perform a full blown air space safety
analysis on a proposed new tower is like $350 and probably worth every
penny. The last thing you want is to have an improper filing and then cause
some kind of air space accident because your tower is not marked or lit
properly, or you missed something in the filing. That could ruin lives
including your own.

Cameron

On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 8:52 AM, Blake Bowers  wrote:

> http://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/AsrSearch/towairSearch.jsp
>
> will give you a quick read on the need for an FAA.
>
> http://wireless.fcc.gov/outreach/index.htm?job=tower_notification
>
> will get you started on a NEPA and SHPA - but using it is voluntary.  The
> NEPA and SHPA I would not build a new tower without having done.
>
> https://oeaaa.faa.gov/oeaaa/external/portal.jsp
>
> Will allow you file online (at no cost) for your FAA.  Personally, it only
> takes 10 minutes to do the FAA, I would do it just to be safe.  If you do,
> fill out all the frequencies listed as being in use.
>
>
> Don't take your organs to heaven,
> heaven knows we need them down here!
> Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Jay DeBoer" 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 8:37 AM
> Subject: [WISPA] tower height near airport
>
>
> > I've got a buisness that wants me to setup a ptp link for them I did the
> > path study and need to be about 50' in the air to get line of site
> > clearance.  The problem is the road right next to them (road is about
> > 200 yards east and the runway starts about 400 yards north.) dead-ends
> > into a grass run-way for the airport (small town).  and its also prettly
> > close to perpendicular from the main run-way thats probably around 1000
> > yards away.  I'm assuming it would have to be permitted through FAA and
> > all the wonderful paperwork that way.  I don't think zoning will be an
> > issue but I'm more concerned about the tower height in relation to the
> > airport.
> >
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> >
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> >
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Re: [WISPA] What are the must have Android apps for installers

[Cameron Crum]

For sure we haven't tested the mobile apps with ice-cream sandwich. We will
soon.

Cameron

On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 4:39 PM, Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181) <
o...@odessaoffice.com> wrote:

> **
> I was thinking more along the lines of "Mixology".  Awesome program.
>
> I also use ICMPing, Droid LIght from Motorola, Quickoffice, Ping & DNS,
> and I used to have a subnet calculator but can't find a new one.
>
> Wispmon also has a cool ap that uses GPS of your local and points you to
> all of your towers.  Great for installs in the fog, snow, dark etc.  I
> think.  It doesn't work with the latest droid update for my Motorola X2
> phone  We're not on Verizon though, it's a smaller local cell company
> that's tied in with Verizon.
>
> marlon
>
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Zach Mann 
> *To:* WISPA General List 
> *Cc:* Washington State WISP Discussion 
> *Sent:* Friday, February 24, 2012 10:46 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] What are the must have Android apps for installers
>
> GPS Status.   WiFi analyzer.
> On Feb 24, 2012 12:45 PM, "Pat O'Connor"  wrote:
>
>> Upgrading to a smartphone, HTC Hero S.  Just wanted to see what tools
>> are available for wireless installers.
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Re: [WISPA] Yuma, TX

[Cameron Crum]

I don't think there is such an animal as Yuma, TX

Cameron

On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 12:44 AM, Blake Covarrubias wrote:

> I can't find Yuma, TX on a map.
>
> Do you mean Yuma, AZ? Yuma is in my coverage area. We have a large influx
> of snowbird customer's whom we service on a month-to-month basis.
>
> www.beamspeed.com
>
> --
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>
> On Feb 8, 2012, at 19:33, Jeromie Reeves  wrote:
>
> > Anyone know of a service in Yuma TX. Client is a snowbird. Will be
> > there another two months and is generally on site for 3 to 5 months
> > per year.
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [WISPA] Rime Ice?

[Cameron Crum]

With a radome, the ice shouldn't be too much of an issue unless it gets
really thick. I had some dished here in Texas that I did not put radomes
on, thinking that the one or two days of ice we get a year would not
matter. With about 1/2 inch of ice directly on the end of the feed, my
throughput went to nothing. I added a radome and then next ice storm with
about the same covering of ice had no effect and my throughput remained
constant. I would go with a radome with even a possibility of ice.

Cameron

On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 12:55 PM, Bret Clark wrote:

>  Anyone have to deal with rime ice on antenna's? We need to build a PTP
> link that will be on a top of a mountain that's notorious for rime Ice. It
> would be a 5GHz link with sturdy 3ft radome but I'm not aware at what
> effect rime ice might have on 5GHz signal if any? Googling hasn't really
> bought up any decent info.
>
> Thanks,
> Bret
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Re: [WISPA] OFFLIST - Re: Bandwidth Monitoring and Presentation

[Cameron Crum]

SORRY!

On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 4:20 PM, Steve Barnes  wrote:

> Didn’t make it off list.  You get the DOOOHHH!  For the day.
>
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> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Cameron Crum
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 28, 2011 5:17 PM
> *To:* Kevin Battersby; WISPA General List
> *Subject:* [WISPA] OFFLIST - Re: Bandwidth Monitoring and Presentation
>
> ** **
>
> Kevin,
>
> ** **
>
> Wispmon can probably integrate with this and it has a customer portal page
> that allows a user to view daily updated usage. If you need a full Wisp
> Management platform ratehr than several pieces of cobbled together
> software, give us a shout and we can show you a demo. 
>
> ** **
>
> Regards,
>
> ** **
>
> Cameron Crum
>
> Wispmon.com
>
> On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 2:37 PM, Kevin Battersby 
> wrote:
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>
> Greetings
>
> We have been using Pmacct to gather bandwidth accounting information for
> some
> time now. This is processed for our own use on a monthly basis.
>
> Our current problem is customers requesting access to this information on a
> regular basis throughout the month.
>
> At the moment I believe we are looking at a completely custom job to get
> this
> done.
>
> My question is, what software might be available to do this presentation?
> Any
> success stories?
>
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[WISPA] OFFLIST - Re: Bandwidth Monitoring and Presentation

[Cameron Crum]

Kevin,

Wispmon can probably integrate with this and it has a customer portal page
that allows a user to view daily updated usage. If you need a full Wisp
Management platform ratehr than several pieces of cobbled together
software, give us a shout and we can show you a demo.

Regards,

Cameron Crum
Wispmon.com

On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 2:37 PM, Kevin Battersby wrote:

>
> Greetings
>
> We have been using Pmacct to gather bandwidth accounting information for
> some
> time now. This is processed for our own use on a monthly basis.
>
> Our current problem is customers requesting access to this information on a
> regular basis throughout the month.
>
> At the moment I believe we are looking at a completely custom job to get
> this
> done.
>
> My question is, what software might be available to do this presentation?
> Any
> success stories?
>
> --
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> Kevin
>
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Re: [WISPA] UBNT sectors 120s, 90s, or 60s?

[Cameron Crum]

Yagis, are by nature on single pol.

On Fri, Nov 4, 2011 at 12:52 AM, Scottie Arnett  wrote:

> **
> Shane,
>
> Sorry, you answered this further down the thread.
>
> I have heard that the AP sectors Ubiquiti has released are not correct
> comparable to most sectors due to some -3dB down stuff. Like the 120 degree
> sectors are more like 90 degree? Is this true? is it true for all
> unlicensed bands?
>
> In my situation, I would really like to see a dual polarized 900 Mhz yagi,
> if it is even possible. We have many hills in our area, and we are trying
> to get more bandwidth to our customers. We have been/are using Canopy, but
> have some test units setup to try Ubiquiti for more bandwidth. Many
> consumers do not like the dish/loco Ubiquiti has, and we tried the panels
> from  ITElite and most are not satisfied with the aesthetics of them also.
>
> Scottie Arnett
> President
> Info-Ed, Inc.
> Electronics and More
> 931-243-2101
> sarn...@info-ed.com
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Scottie Arnett 
> *To:* WISPA General List 
> *Sent:* Friday, November 04, 2011 12:18 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] UBNT sectors 120s, 90s, or 60s?
>
> A little late, but what frequencies are you inquiring about?
>
> Scottie Arnett
> President
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> Electronics and More
> 931-243-2101
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> - Original Message -
> *From:* Mathew Howard 
> *To:* 'WISPA General List' 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 02, 2011 10:18 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] UBNT sectors 120s, 90s, or 60s?
>
>  I’d vote for the 90s, but we aren’t likely to use anything other than
> 120s in the near future anyway.
>
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> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Shane MacDonald
> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 02, 2011 9:59 AM
> *To:* WISPA General List
> *Subject:* [WISPA] UBNT sectors 120s, 90s, or 60s?
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> We are trying to decide which degree Ubiquiti sectors to release in
> December.
>
> Our production line can handle two of the three for a mid December release
> date and want your feedback.
>
> The 120 degree version is pretty much a lock but we want your opinion
> between the 90s or 60s so we release the sectors you require.
>
> ** **
>
> Please reply to the list or send me an email directly as your response
> will weigh heavily on our decision.
>
> ** **
>
> Thanks,
>
> ** **
>
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>
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Re: [WISPA] Wireless Without Limits

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I would think if the guy was one of your customers and specifically went on
the cruise to be a part of the show, then you could let it slide or at
least have a door price. It seems to me a little good will for someone who
helps support you all year is in order. And as to others attending, I say
charge a door price and let them come if they really want. I doubt there
would be a lot of takers.

On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 10:53 AM, Chuck Hogg  wrote:

> I see your point and agree.
>
> Regards,
>
> Chuck
>
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 11:29 AM, David Sovereen
>  wrote:
> > Shafty really?  How much are they charging for the event?  Zero, except
> that
> > you need to book through them, and they derive some revenue through the
> > booking.  How much was registration to Wispapalooza?  How much is
> > registration to Animal Farm?
> >
> > The policy seems fair to me.
> >
> > I suppose they could charge an event registration fee of ___ for persons
> who
> > booked through another means, which might help Ralph's situation, but I
> > don't think Double Radius' position is without merit.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> >
> > 
> > From: "Andy Trimmell" 
> > Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 10:09 AM
> > To: "WISPA General List" 
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wireless Without Limits
> >
> > +1 for pretty shafty!
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> > Behalf Of Chuck Hogg
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2011 8:09 PM
> > To: WISPA General List
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wireless Without Limits
> >
> > That's pretty shafty!
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Chuck
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 6:58 PM, rwf  wrote:
> >> I will be on the cruise, but Double Radius is refusing to allow me to
> >> participate because I got my room through an employee discount and not
> > their
> >> travel agent.
> >>
> >> If you want to meet up or talk, then the only thing I know is for you
> > to
> >> leave me a note or voice mail for cabin 0004.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Ralph
> >>
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Re: [WISPA] Neighbor Sharing Internet

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What would you do if you caught someone taking a computer out of your
office?

On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 12:04 PM, Sam Tetherow  wrote:

> Let them know that it is against the TOS of service and if they continue
> you will disconnect them.
>
> On 10/31/11 11:56 AM, Matt wrote:
> > What do you do when you find out that a customer is using a wireless
> > router to share Internet with neighbor and splitting the bill?  I am
> > sure there are quite a few doing this but when they out right tell you
> > about it when on a tech call is rare.  It is against our TOS.
> >
> > What do others do?
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Re: [WISPA] Verizon wants a piece of our pie

[Cameron Crum]

Trust me, I know the game well. People in corporate jobs love tot protect
their turf even if it means losing money.

On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 6:51 PM, Brian Webster  wrote:

> But what did you know right Cameron? The arrogance and ignorance of
> carriers still never ceases to amaze me. Most times it is due to the fact
> that the person in that position of network design authority, who should
> already know those answers, simply does not and feel like they need to draw
> the line in the sand and make it seem like they know more than the
> consultant, otherwise they fear their bosses will question their value to
> the organization…..
>
> ** **
>
> Thank You,
>
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> ** **
>
> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Cameron Crum
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 27, 2011 5:46 PM
> *To:* WISPA General List
>
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Verizon wants a piece of our pie
>
> ** **
>
> That's right Blake, and it was way before 4G that designing for capacity
> came into play. Before I became a wisp in '03, I had designed and had a part
> in building over 1000 cell sites for 4 different carriers in 3 different
> countries. In the mid-90s companies were going for coverage only. They
> quickly learned that once digital technologies came into play, coverage
> meant squat in terms of how many subs you could pack on a network. Just like
> with us, cell sites are limited in capacity and the noisier things get with
> CDMA based systems, the quicker they go to crap. In urban, sub-urban
> morphologies, capacity rules. In rural areas though, they don't anticipate
> near the traffic levels, so they build taller sites that can cover more
> area. Along highways, they may only build 2 sector sites, at least
> initially, because the extra sector that doesn't carry any traffic is a
> waste of money. If they really are going for fixed wireless as a major play,
> then they may have to add sites in the rural areas. They may not realize it
> yet. It was  tough sell to convince them the first time around. When Sprint
> first deployed 1x, we, the consultants told them that designing for coverage
> was a waste of time and money. They didn't believe us and ended up having to
> add 25% more sites after turning the network up. 
>
> ** **
>
> Cameron
>
> On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 11:38 AM, Blake Bowers 
> wrote:
>
> Cellular systems in urban areas are built for capacity.  Thats why you have
> so many low level sites, frequency reuse.  Capacity rules king.
>
> In rural areas, coverage rules.  That is why they use a lot of
> intellirepeater sites, that actually work off close existing sites, with
> very minimal capacity.  Often limited to one outdoor cabinet and 3 panels.
> (and in some cases a mag mount antenna on the cabinet for the donor site to
> be able to talk to it)
>
> Capacity of varying sites changes also on a network.  While one site may
> have X capacity with X transcievers, the one 5 miles away, same network,
> may
> have twice that number.   They may look alike from the outside, but the
> equipment inside is different TOE.
>
>
> Don't take your organs to heaven,
> heaven knows we need them down here!
> Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today.
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Charles Wu" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 10:31 AM
>
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon wants a piece of our pie
>
> 
>
> >I have a dissenting opinion...
> >
> >>It all comes down to a simple economics in the end.  Who can most cost
> >>effectively provide broadband.
> >
> > A cellular network is built for coverage
> >
> > Additionally, large companies, from a scale and operations perspective,
> > will tend to put the same equipment everywhere
> >
> > What that means is in order to offer the nationwide network, that the
> > tower in the rural area that's required to cover that stretch of highway
> > where there's only a town of 1,000 people will have the same equipment
> and
> > capacity as the tower in downtown Chicago that has 1,000 simultaneous
> > users
> >
> > So in rural areas, where the costs of the tower, backhaul and base
> station
> > have already been amortized and paid for to fulfill their coverage
> > requirements, but many of these towers are sitting at 5-10% capacity
> >
> > In their mind, to add another 100 or so fixed wireless users off an AP
> and
> > putting t

Re: [WISPA] Verizon wants a piece of our pie

[Cameron Crum]

That's right Blake, and it was way before 4G that designing for capacity
came into play. Before I became a wisp in '03, I had designed and had a part
in building over 1000 cell sites for 4 different carriers in 3 different
countries. In the mid-90s companies were going for coverage only. They
quickly learned that once digital technologies came into play, coverage
meant squat in terms of how many subs you could pack on a network. Just like
with us, cell sites are limited in capacity and the noisier things get with
CDMA based systems, the quicker they go to crap. In urban, sub-urban
morphologies, capacity rules. In rural areas though, they don't anticipate
near the traffic levels, so they build taller sites that can cover more
area. Along highways, they may only build 2 sector sites, at least
initially, because the extra sector that doesn't carry any traffic is a
waste of money. If they really are going for fixed wireless as a major play,
then they may have to add sites in the rural areas. They may not realize it
yet. It was  tough sell to convince them the first time around. When Sprint
first deployed 1x, we, the consultants told them that designing for coverage
was a waste of time and money. They didn't believe us and ended up having to
add 25% more sites after turning the network up.

Cameron

On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 11:38 AM, Blake Bowers  wrote:

> Cellular systems in urban areas are built for capacity.  Thats why you have
> so many low level sites, frequency reuse.  Capacity rules king.
>
> In rural areas, coverage rules.  That is why they use a lot of
> intellirepeater sites, that actually work off close existing sites, with
> very minimal capacity.  Often limited to one outdoor cabinet and 3 panels.
> (and in some cases a mag mount antenna on the cabinet for the donor site to
> be able to talk to it)
>
> Capacity of varying sites changes also on a network.  While one site may
> have X capacity with X transcievers, the one 5 miles away, same network,
> may
> have twice that number.   They may look alike from the outside, but the
> equipment inside is different TOE.
>
>
> Don't take your organs to heaven,
> heaven knows we need them down here!
> Be an organ donor, sign your donor card today.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Charles Wu" 
> To: "WISPA General List" 
> Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 10:31 AM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon wants a piece of our pie
>
>
> >I have a dissenting opinion...
> >
> >>It all comes down to a simple economics in the end.  Who can most cost
> >>effectively provide broadband.
> >
> > A cellular network is built for coverage
> >
> > Additionally, large companies, from a scale and operations perspective,
> > will tend to put the same equipment everywhere
> >
> > What that means is in order to offer the nationwide network, that the
> > tower in the rural area that's required to cover that stretch of highway
> > where there's only a town of 1,000 people will have the same equipment
> and
> > capacity as the tower in downtown Chicago that has 1,000 simultaneous
> > users
> >
> > So in rural areas, where the costs of the tower, backhaul and base
> station
> > have already been amortized and paid for to fulfill their coverage
> > requirements, but many of these towers are sitting at 5-10% capacity
> >
> > In their mind, to add another 100 or so fixed wireless users off an AP
> and
> > putting them in a lower QoS bucket (so the primary mobile customers
> aren't
> > affected when fixed customers start slamming Netflix) is "found money" --
> > self installs are quite nice when putting out +60 dBi EIRP at the tower
> > with 700 MHz on licensed spectrum with zero noise floor
> >
> > -Charles
> /
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Antenna Mounts

[Cameron Crum]

Why don't you call Commscope?

Cameron

On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 1:45 PM, Troy Settle wrote:

> Can anyone point me to a specific antenna mounting kit for 3 and 4’ Andrew
> dishes?  I’ve been advised to mount both on a 4” pipe directly on the tower,
> but as this is my first construction project, I’m more than a little lost on
> the specifics.
>
> ** **
>
> Of course the consultants and contractors on this project are being very
> vague with their answers, and about the only thing I’ve heard from the
> vendor, was a mention of “stabilizer bars.”
>
> ** **
>
> Thanks,
>
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[WISPA] Steve Jobs

[Cameron Crum]

Maybe in poor taste, but the headline should have been "iDied".



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Re: [WISPA] [Bulk] Re: Wispalooza!

[Cameron Crum]

I'm guessing you'll sub in if a booth babe from one of the other booths
needs a turn. ;)



On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 10:11 PM, Sam Tetherow  wrote:

> **
> *WHEW!*
>
>
> On 10/04/2011 10:07 PM, Layne Sisk wrote:
>
> Well, if it helps ServerPlus will be at the booth next to yours and we will 
> be giving out free massages (not by me).
>
> Layne Siskwww.ServerPlus.com801.426.8283, ext 102
>
> 
>
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org on behalf of Jim Patient
> Sent: Tue 10/4/2011 10:12 AM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Bulk] Re: Wispalooza!
>
>
>
> Well, since the cat is out of the bag, we have the Cubin roller coming to our 
> MUM booth as well.  They will be there Tuesday and Thursday afternoons.
>
>
>
> If we could get the booth next to us to give away free beer, we could make it 
> a party;-)
>
>
>
>
>
> Jim Patient
>
> Link Technologies, Inc.
> 314-735-0270
> www.linktechs.net  
>  
> 
>  
> 
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
> ] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish
> Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 8:31 PM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Bulk] Re: Wispalooza!
>
>
>
> Actually, Link Technologies is hiring a professional cigar roller to work in 
> their booth one day.
>
>
>
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
> ] On Behalf Of Sam Tetherow
> Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 5:44 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Bulk] Re: Wispalooza!
>
>
>
> Hope they bring some!
>
> On 10/3/11 4:27 PM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote:
>
> They generally have very good cigars too!
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Jeff
> ImageStream Sales Manager800-813-5123 x106
>
> 
>
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
> ] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel
> Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 4:39 PM
> To: wireless@wispa.org
> Subject: [Bulk] Re: [WISPA] Wispalooza!
>
>
>
> DISCLOSURE*  That's an inside joke for early WISPA/Microtik people.  It 
> is no way intended to be derogatory.
>
> People from Latvia are a lot of fun when you take them partying. They blow 
> away most of us US attendees
>
> Miss you guys.  Hope you have fun in Vegas!
>
>  :-)
>
> -B-
>
>
>
>
> On 10/3/2011 4:25 PM, Bob Moldashel wrote:
>
> Not Latvia!   You better not have taken payment in chickens  LOL
>
>
>
> On 10/3/2011 4:07 PM, Rick Harnish wrote:
>
> There are people registered from Argentina, Brazil, Mexico, Canada, Latvia, 
> England, Ireland, Thailand, Israel and probably a few other countries.
>
>
>
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
> ] On Behalf Of Rick Harnish
> Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 4:06 PM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wispalooza!
>
>
>
> We just topped 550 registrations.  Although there is overlap, I would guess 
> the combination of WISPAPALOOZA, Ubiquiti AirMax, Motorola Service Provider 
> Town Hall, Mikrotik MUM, Azotel Training, Redline Training, Trango Training 
> and FISPAlive will account for at least 1000 different attendees for the week.
>
>
>
> Rick
>
>
>
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
> ] On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess
> Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 3:59 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wispalooza!
>
>
>
> Looks like a good week.  Should be an interesting time!
>
>
>
> ---
> Dennis Burgess, Mikrotik Certified Trainer
> Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik & WISP Support Services
> Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net 
>  
> LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training  
>   - Author of "Learn RouterOS" 
>  
>
>
>
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org 
> ] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
> Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 2:32 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wispalooza!
>
>
> http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=16929680703
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Mon, Oct 3, 2011 at 3:30 PM, John McDowell  
>  wrote:
>
> I finally found a way to completely delete my facebook account...not just 
> deactivate it. Can provide the link for anyone interested.. :-)
>
>
>
> John M. McDowell 256.996.0252j...@boonlink.com
>
>
>
> On Oct 3, 2011, at 2:26 PM, Justin Wilson wrote:
>
>
>
> What happens in vegasgoes on facebook
>
>
> --
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> Aol & Yaho

Re: [WISPA] coverage in Lowell Maine

[Cameron Crum]

They won't do it. Tried that several times. They will not trade any type of
service, cell phone or bandwidth, for lease space. They would rather pay
what that service is worth than trade it.

Cameron

On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 11:08 AM, Dorn Hetzel  wrote:

> Maybe she should negotiate some bandwidth from VZ as part of the lease :)
> On Sep 22, 2011 11:56 AM,  wrote:
> > Does anyone have coverage in Lowell Maine. I have web hosting client
> > looking for access. She owns land on a big hill. Verizon is leasing some
> > land from her to put up a tower so she might have LOS to whoever might be
> > in the area.
> >
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Re: [WISPA] Bulk text alerts

[Cameron Crum]

If you know the carrier you can send it just like an email. For example to
send to a verizon number is npanxxx...@vtext.com. You would have to get your
customers to tell you who their carrier is, and you would have to know the
email-text domain for that carrier. They are all different. Otherwise,
twitter sounds good.

Cameron

On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 10:04 AM, Dorn Hetzel  wrote:

> +1: Any reason not to just use twitter?
>
> On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 10:51 AM, Joel Barnard  wrote:
>
>> We use twitter.
>>
>> 
>>
>> Customers who are interested in network status updates can follow the
>> Twitter page, and subscribe to text messages.
>>
>> When there’s a problem you just tweet manually or use API for automated
>> things.
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Joel Barnard 
>>
>> Niagara Wireless Internet Co. 
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
>> Behalf Of *Patrick D. Nix, Jr
>> *Sent:* Thursday, September 08, 2011 10:48 AM
>> *To:* WISPA General List
>> *Subject:* [WISPA] Bulk text alerts
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Does anyone use or know of an application or service for sending bulk text
>> messages.  We would like a one time pay vs. pay per message.  What we would
>> like to accomplish is create a group message for network status alerts that
>> go out via text message to customers that wish to receive such.
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Patrick Nix, Jr.,
>> Computer Network Solutions
>> CSWEB.NET Internet Services
>> IT Manager
>>
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>> http://www.csweb.net
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>> (918) 235-0414
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Re: [WISPA] Press Release

[Cameron Crum]

Way to go Travis!

On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 12:49 PM, John Seaman  wrote:

> Congratulations Travis!
>
>
>
> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Travis Johnson
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 07, 2011 10:39 AM
> *To:* WISPA General List
> *Subject:* [WISPA] Press Release
>
>
> Microserv, Inc Reaches
> 10,000 Subscriber Milestone
>
> September 1, 2011
>
> Microserv, Inc. announced today that the company has reached a subscriber
> milestone by surpassing 10,000 active internet subscribers. This number of
> subscribers is an exciting number for privately owned companies serving
> rural America with high-speed internet services.
>
> Travis Johnson, Microserv CEO stated “This has been my goal for the last
> ten years. Reaching this number of subscribers in the rural markets we serve
> is a great accomplishment. The entire company is proud that we have grown to
> this size, and continue to grow each and every month."
>
> Johnson added “Our services areas are some of the most competitive in the
> nation, and we incur some of the highest expenses in the nation. We have
> grown because of our superior customer service. We answer every incoming
> call during business hours with a live person. No auto attendants, no
> voicemail. We listen to our customers and they value that kind of service."
>
>
>
> *About Microserv*
>
> Microserv is a regional provider of internet access services covering all
> of southeastern Idaho and parts of Wyoming. Microserv is a member of the
> Wireless Internet Service Provider’s Association (WISPA), and was awarded
> the 2007 WISP Operator of the Year.
>
> Microserv has over 14 years of experience as a fixed wireless and wireline
> provider. Services offered include fixed wireless, DSL, fiber optic and
> domain hosting. Microserv currently has over 95 tower locations and covers
> over 25,000 square miles of southeastern Idaho and parts of Wyoming. The
> entire network is owned and maintained by Microserv with no use of any
> outside vendors for backhaul or maintenance.
>
> Microserv is a privately held Idaho corporation with no outside investors
> or capital. It has never applied or received any type of local, state or
> federal government loan, grant, subsidy or stimulus money and has been
> profitable since the incorporation in 1997.
>
> For more information about Microserv, visit 
> www.microserv.com.
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[WISPA] FCC 477 Utility

[Cameron Crum]

I know several of you have used our free fcc 477 utility in the past to
generate your tract referenced files. We made a change to our email scripts
a few months ago and neglected to update the 477 scripts so many of the
uploads have been failing in the last couple of days. If you've tried to use
it and had an error, send me your csv file and I'll process it manually and
return the output file. The file you can send is the same as the one you
would have uploaded.

Regards,

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Re: [WISPA] anyone still using an original moto droid

[Cameron Crum]

Thanks for all the replies on and off list. I got what I needed. Thanks to
Nick White and JP Zaiss for helping me out.

Regards,

Cameron

On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 3:47 PM, Rick Harnish  wrote:

>  So do I
>
> ** **
>
> Rick
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Andrew W. Smith
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 25, 2011 3:39 PM
> *To:* WISPA General List
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] anyone still using an original moto droid
>
> ** **
>
>
> I've got one.
>
> On 8/25/2011 1:31 PM, Cameron Crum wrote: 
>
> I am in need of some assistance with an original moto dorid. If you are
> using one and can spare a couple minutes, please hit me off list. 
>
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[WISPA] anyone still using an original moto droid

[Cameron Crum]

I am in need of some assistance with an original moto dorid. If you are
using one and can spare a couple minutes, please hit me off list.

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Re: [WISPA] Android Survey App

[Cameron Crum]

It may to update the descrptions. I know the website on the market has them
updated now. The link is in the top post of this thread. I updated the app
after the upload and now it only shows three permissions.

Cameron

On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 9:35 PM, Josh Luthman
wrote:

> Doesn't it take a day for the Market to update?  I looked earlier and the
> permissions were still there.  This is after you said you changed it earlier
> today.
>
> Josh Luthman
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> On Aug 22, 2011 10:32 PM, "Cameron Crum"  wrote:
> > Well in all fairness, it is a legit question. There isn't a need for many
> of
> > those in the application, so why freak people out. The unnecessary ones
> have
> > been removed, so download away.
> >
> > Cameron
> >
> > On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 9:27 PM, Mike Hammett  >wrote:
> >
> >> I never even look at the permissions it asks for. I want the app, so I
> >> have to accept whatever it asks for.
> >>
> >> -
> >> Mike Hammett
> >> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> >> http://www.ics-il.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 8/22/2011 12:12 PM, Matt wrote:
> >> >> WISPMON actually sent out a WISPA Approved Advertisement on this this
> >> >> morning.
> >> > What concerns me is all the permissions it asks for. Else I would try
> >> it.
> >> >
> >> >>> Found this on Android market:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> https://market.android.com/details?id=com.wispmon.finder
> >> >
> >> >
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Re: [WISPA] Android Survey App

[Cameron Crum]

Well in all fairness, it is a legit question. There isn't a need for many of
those in the application, so why freak people out. The unnecessary ones have
been removed, so download away.

Cameron

On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 9:27 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

> I never even look at the permissions it asks for. I want the app, so I
> have to accept whatever it asks for.
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
>
>
> On 8/22/2011 12:12 PM, Matt wrote:
> >> WISPMON actually sent out a WISPA Approved Advertisement on this this
> >> morning.
> > What concerns me is all the permissions it asks for.  Else I would try
> it.
> >
> >>> Found this on Android market:
> >>>
> >>> https://market.android.com/details?id=com.wispmon.finder
> >
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Re: [WISPA] Android Survey App

[Cameron Crum]

I'll hit you off-list...FYI you can add towers via csv so you can share that
file across multiple users/phones.

Cameron
On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 1:27 PM, Josh Luthman
wrote:

> The picture one confused me.
>
> record audio
>
> receive SMS
>
> rw contact data
>
> phone calls?
>
> I'd be interested in this if I can have one account across multiple users.
> I don't want to add the towers for each and every phone (ESPECIALLY if the
> phone is replaced!)
>
> Josh Luthman
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>
>
> On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 1:57 PM, Cameron Crum  wrote:
>
>> Which permissions don't you like? We can remove some, but obviously some
>> are required.
>>
>> Cameron
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 10:55 AM, Matt  wrote:
>>
>>> Found this on Android market:
>>>
>>> https://market.android.com/details?id=com.wispmon.finder
>>>
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Android Survey App

[Cameron Crum]

FYI...I changed the permissions to only those absolutely required. The sdk
put all of them in by default. I removed the unnecessary ones.

Cameron

On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 10:55 AM, Matt  wrote:

> Found this on Android market:
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Re: [WISPA] Android Survey App

[Cameron Crum]

Which permissions don't you like? We can remove some, but obviously some are
required.

Cameron

On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 10:55 AM, Matt  wrote:

> Found this on Android market:
>
> https://market.android.com/details?id=com.wispmon.finder
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[WISPA] Looking for bandwith in Yuma AZ

[Cameron Crum]

Anyone know if I can get around 50M ion Yuma?



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Re: [WISPA] Providing data to NTIA for Broadband mapping?

[Cameron Crum]

In TX I know they just used radio mobile.

On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 9:13 PM, Brian Webster
wrote:

> No they are producing RF engineering maps and studies using RF propagation
> tools.
>
> ** **
>
>
>
> Thank You,
>
> Brian Webster
>
> www.wirelessmapping.com
>
> www.Broadband-Mapping.com
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Greg Ihnen [mailto:os10ru...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 03, 2011 7:18 PM
> *To:* bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com
> *Cc:* 'WISPA General List'
>
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Providing data to NTIA for Broadband mapping?
>
> ** **
>
> Brian,
>
> ** **
>
> That's interesting. So they're actually making field
> measurements?
>
> ** **
>
> I suspect the state's RF staff is probably limited and
> stretched thin in attempting to cover all the WISPs in the entire state.
> Their number of measurements would have to be far below that of the WISP
> operator who has rssi data from every CPE plus all of their pre-sales
> measurements. Added to that how often could the state's RF staff be
> resampling? It seems like the state would be much better served to accept
> the coverage data from the WISP which would have to be more complete and
> up-to-date.
>
> ** **
>
> If what they really want is coverage then that's the shortest
> route.
>
> ** **
>
> There's always a temptation in data collection to get
> everything you can so you won't have to get more later if your focus changes
> and you want to look at something else. That's what Google's Street View in
> trouble.
>
> ** **
>
> Greg
>
> ** **
>
> On Aug 3, 2011, at 5:41 PM, Brian Webster wrote:
>
>
>
> 
>
> The states who have their own RF staff are generating RF plots and creating
> a polygon shape file of the coverage area the same as the cellular industry
> have provided.
>
>  
>
>
>
> Thank You,
>
> Brian Webster
>
> www.wirelessmapping.com
>
> www.Broadband-Mapping.com
>
>  
>
> *From:* Greg Ihnen [mailto:os10ru...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 03, 2011 12:21 PM
> *To:* bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; WISPA General List
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Providing data to NTIA for Broadband mapping?
>
>  
>
> They're conducting RF propagation studies? Is that not already cut and
> dried?
>
>  
>
> How will their findings be presented? Will they be published?
>
>  
>
> Greg
>
>  
>
> On Aug 3, 2011, at 10:37 AM, Brian Webster wrote:
>
>
>
>
> 
>
> Brett,
>   I am the mapping data coordinator for the Illinois portion of
> the
> National Map. They are asking for so many details in anticipation that they
> need to conduct RF propagation studies. If you don't want to provide so
> many
> details but still want to participate in the map you can provide them with
> a
> coverage are map and tell them the maximum upload and download advertised
> speeds for those areas and they should be happy with that. Matt Larsen and
> I
> went through the process with Nebraska. Took a little convincing to get
> them
> to accept it but they ultimately did.
>
>
>
> Thank You,
> Brian Webster
> www.wirelessmapping.com
> www.Broadband-Mapping.com
>
>
> 
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Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

[Cameron Crum]

Licensed or unlic? If unlic, still no. I can put together an unlicensed link
for for less than $500 that will probably perform as well as something
costing $6000, and for another $500 I could have redundancy. I'd be a hard
sell to get me to pay for something like that. Maybe I'm just a cheap skate.

Cameron

On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 2:16 PM, Gino Villarini  wrote:

>  What about below$6k?
>
> ** **
>
> Gino A. Villarini
>
> g...@aeronetpr.com
>
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>
> 787.273.4143
>
> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Cameron Crum
> *Sent:* Friday, July 29, 2011 3:11 PM
>
> *To:* WISPA General List
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?
>
> ** **
>
> $8000 is expensive to me for an unlicensed frequency. For just a bit more
> you can get licensed. If I'm getting out of the $100s range then I'll bite
> the bullet and go all the way. The difference between $8000 and $12000 is
> not that much if I have to finance the link. 
>
> ** **
>
> Cameron
>
> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 1:59 PM, Gino Villarini  wrote:
> 
>
> Yes short hops… whats your price range for “pricey”
>
>  
>
> Gino A. Villarini
>
> g...@aeronetpr.com
>
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>
> 787.273.4143
>
> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Cameron Crum
> *Sent:* Friday, July 29, 2011 2:58 PM
>
>
> *To:* WISPA General List
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?
>
>  
>
> I'm aware of all that, but 24GHz still attenuates fairly quickly and rain
> fade will be a problem if you try to go too far. It would be good for short
> hops, though. It still seems a bit pricey.
>
> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 1:44 PM, Fred Goldstein 
> wrote:
>
> At 7/29/2011 02:38 PM, Cameron Crum wrote:
>
> I just assumed if you pay that much for a link it would be in the licensed
> band. Still though, I can't imagine too many people using the unlicensed 24
> ghz band, It should be pretty clear, but if you can't bgo bigger than a 2ft
> dish, I guess you are pretty limited. 
>
>  
>
> Directivity increases with frequency, for a given dish size, so a 24 GHz
> 2-foot dish is as directive as a 6 GHz 8-foot dish.  Aiming should be, well,
> rather fun...
>
> But the rules are a little weird, so a bigger antenna would probably run
> afoul of the field strength limit.  24 GHz doesn't specify a power level,
> but it requires at least a 1-foot dish (33 dB gain) for directivity, and the
> maximum field strength is 2.5 v/m at 3 meters.  I don't offhand know the
> formula for converting that to ERP.  But the Exalt has a 10 milliwatt (+10
> dB) output which would mean an ERP of around 20 watts with a 1-foot dish.
> (Values are from memory, not precise.)
>
>
>
> 
>
> Cameron
>
> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 1:24 PM, Gino Villarini  wrote:
> 
>
> There are 2 24 ghz blocks available for MW links, one is unlicensed the
> other is not
>
>  --
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Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

[Cameron Crum]

$8000 is expensive to me for an unlicensed frequency. For just a bit more
you can get licensed. If I'm getting out of the $100s range then I'll bite
the bullet and go all the way. The difference between $8000 and $12000 is
not that much if I have to finance the link.

Cameron

On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 1:59 PM, Gino Villarini  wrote:

>  Yes short hops… whats your price range for “pricey”
>
> ** **
>
> Gino A. Villarini
>
> g...@aeronetpr.com
>
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>
> 787.273.4143
>
> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Cameron Crum
> *Sent:* Friday, July 29, 2011 2:58 PM
>
> *To:* WISPA General List
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?
>
> ** **
>
> I'm aware of all that, but 24GHz still attenuates fairly quickly and rain
> fade will be a problem if you try to go too far. It would be good for short
> hops, though. It still seems a bit pricey.
>
> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 1:44 PM, Fred Goldstein 
> wrote:
>
> At 7/29/2011 02:38 PM, Cameron Crum wrote:
>
> 
>
> I just assumed if you pay that much for a link it would be in the licensed
> band. Still though, I can't imagine too many people using the unlicensed 24
> ghz band, It should be pretty clear, but if you can't bgo bigger than a 2ft
> dish, I guess you are pretty limited. 
>
> ** **
>
> Directivity increases with frequency, for a given dish size, so a 24 GHz
> 2-foot dish is as directive as a 6 GHz 8-foot dish.  Aiming should be, well,
> rather fun...
>
> But the rules are a little weird, so a bigger antenna would probably run
> afoul of the field strength limit.  24 GHz doesn't specify a power level,
> but it requires at least a 1-foot dish (33 dB gain) for directivity, and the
> maximum field strength is 2.5 v/m at 3 meters.  I don't offhand know the
> formula for converting that to ERP.  But the Exalt has a 10 milliwatt (+10
> dB) output which would mean an ERP of around 20 watts with a 1-foot dish.
> (Values are from memory, not precise.)
>
>
>
>
> 
>
> Cameron
>
> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 1:24 PM, Gino Villarini  wrote:
> 
>
> There are 2 24 ghz blocks available for MW links, one is unlicensed the
> other is not
>
>  --
>  Fred Goldsteink1io   fgoldstein "at" ionary.com
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Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

[Cameron Crum]

I'm aware of all that, but 24GHz still attenuates fairly quickly and rain
fade will be a problem if you try to go too far. It would be good for short
hops, though. It still seems a bit pricey.

On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 1:44 PM, Fred Goldstein wrote:

>  At 7/29/2011 02:38 PM, Cameron Crum wrote:
>
> I just assumed if you pay that much for a link it would be in the licensed
> band. Still though, I can't imagine too many people using the unlicensed 24
> ghz band, It should be pretty clear, but if you can't bgo bigger than a 2ft
> dish, I guess you are pretty limited.
>
>
> Directivity increases with frequency, for a given dish size, so a 24 GHz
> 2-foot dish is as directive as a 6 GHz 8-foot dish.  Aiming should be, well,
> rather fun...
>
> But the rules are a little weird, so a bigger antenna would probably run
> afoul of the field strength limit.  24 GHz doesn't specify a power level,
> but it requires at least a 1-foot dish (33 dB gain) for directivity, and the
> maximum field strength is 2.5 v/m at 3 meters.  I don't offhand know the
> formula for converting that to ERP.  But the Exalt has a 10 milliwatt (+10
> dB) output which would mean an ERP of around 20 watts with a 1-foot dish.
> (Values are from memory, not precise.)
>
>
> Cameron
>
> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 1:24 PM, Gino Villarini  wrote:
>
> There are 2 24 ghz blocks available for MW links, one is unlicensed the
> other is not
>
> **
>
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Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?

[Cameron Crum]

I just assumed if you pay that much for a link it would be in the licensed
band. Still though, I can't imagine too many people using the unlicensed 24
ghz band, It should be pretty clear, but if you can't bgo bigger than a 2ft
dish, I guess you are pretty limited.

Cameron

On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 1:24 PM, Gino Villarini  wrote:

>  There are 2 24 ghz blocks available for MW links, one is unlicensed the
> other is not
>
> ** **
>
> Gino A. Villarini
>
> g...@aeronetpr.com
>
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
>
> 787.273.4143
>
> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Me
> *Sent:* Friday, July 29, 2011 2:12 PM
> *To:* WISPA General List
>
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul ?
>
>  ** **
>
> 24ghz is unlicensed.
>
> *Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless*
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>
>
> -Original message-
>
> *From: *Cameron Crum *
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Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul?

[Cameron Crum]

I think Matt's advantage is the licensed freq. There is something to be said
for putting it up and forgetting it. With unlicensed BH you are always going
to be fighting the interference monster. I guess it depends on your budget
and time.

Cameron

On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 1:22 AM, Josh Luthman
wrote:

> But a Ubiuiti radio could do that for 500.  A ptp230 or 250 could get
> close.  Mikrotik could do that for probably 500.
>
> Double up on hardware and you're still way under budget.
> On Jul 28, 2011 1:25 AM, "Matt Larsen - Lists" 
> wrote:
> > I have had one of the Ligowave (SAF) 24ghz 100meg radios in service for
> > almost two years on a three mile link. It has been an outstanding
> > piece of equipment in the time that we have had it. A few months ago,
> > after a discussion on list, we figured out that we did not have the
> > cross-polarization set up correctly, so we fixed it and saw our
> > throughput go from 60meg to 100meg full duplex along with another 15db
> > of fade margin. We have had some occasional rain fade, but no outages
> > lasted more than five minutes. I do wish that there was an option for a
> > bigger dish, as being able to go 6-8 miles would be very handy.
> >
> > The link that we have it on used to be fed by a 100meg fiber connection
> > that cost $500/month. We spent $8000 on the Ligo radio, so it paid for
> > itself in 16 months. I think that is pretty useful!
> >
> > Matt Larsen
> > vistabeam.com
> >
> > On 7/27/2011 8:20 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
> >> I was just kind of thinking what use there would be for a 100 mbps
> >> radio in 24 Ghz. Limitation of just a couple of miles like 60 Ghz,
> >> too. Unless the two other ethernet ports can be used to aggregate
> >> more bandwidth?
> >>
> >> Josh Luthman
> >> Office: 937-552-2340
> >> Direct: 937-552-2343
> >> 1100 Wayne St
> >> Suite 1337
> >> Troy, OH 45373
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 10:31 PM, Bob Moldashel  >> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Maybe it is. I am only going by word of mouth on that. That's
> >> why I said "I am told.." Don't want to put my foot in my mouth...
> >>
> >> :-)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 7/27/2011 10:11 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:
> >>>
> >>> That's weird, FCC regulations specify cross Pol... I think this
> >>> radio is for Licensed 24 ?
> >>>
> >>> Gino A. Villarini
> >>>
> >>> g...@aeronetpr.com 
> >>>
> >>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> >>>
> >>> 787.273.4143 
>
> >>>
> >>> *From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org
> >>> 
> >>> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Bob Moldashel
> >>> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 27, 2011 10:25 PM
> >>> *To:* wireless@wispa.org 
>
> >>> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul?
> >>>
> >>> Two more things...
> >>>
> >>> Radio has built in spectrum analyzer that works :-)
> >>>
> >>> And I am told link is plane polarity so only uses one
> >>> polarity plane for data...Not two.
> >>>
> >>> -B-
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 7/27/2011 10:03 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
> >>>
> >>> What kind of dishes can you use in 24ghz? What ranges can you do
> >>> with them?
> >>>
> >>> On Jul 27, 2011 9:56 PM, "Gino Villarini"  >>> > wrote:
> >>> > Nice! Price?
> >>> >
> >>> > Gino A. Villarini
> >>> > g...@aeronetpr.com 
> >>> > Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> >>> > 787.273.4143 
>
> >>> >
> >>> > -Original Message-
> >>> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
> >>> 
> >>> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
> >>> ] On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel
> >>> > Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 10:05 PM
> >>> > To: WISPA General List
> >>> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul?
> >>> >
> >>> > No. Its unlicensed 24 Ghz. Spec sheet attached
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > -B-
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > On 7/27/2011 9:44 PM, Gino Villarini wrote:
> >>> >> IIRC the Exalt unit is for Licensed Fiber Tower Freqs? No?
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Gino A. Villarini
> >>> >> g...@aeronetpr.com 
> >>> >> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
> >>> >> 787.273.4143 
>
> >>> >>
> >>> >> -Original Message-
> >>> >> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org
> >>> 
> >>> [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
> >>> ]
> >>> >> On Behalf Of Bob Moldashel
> >>> >> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 9:50 PM
> >>> >> To: wireless@wispa.org 
>
> >>> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] inexpensive non-2.4/5.8 backhaul?
> >>> >>
> >>> >> The Snaplink only does about 22 Mbps.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Exalt just came out with a 24 Ghz. Full Duplex TDD radio that
> >>> will do
> >>> >> 100 Mbps and is capable of 3 non-overlapping channels. The
> >>> price is the same or cheaper.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> I believe its 2 year warranty also.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> -B-
> >>> >>
> >>> >>

Re: [WISPA] Authentication for WISP's

[Cameron Crum]

You don't need hotspot or pppoe. I have customers using straight mac auth
through radius (Freeradius) and the radius passes back whatever attributes
are in either the radreply or radgroupreply tables.

Cameron

On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 4:57 PM, Josh Luthman
wrote:

> So you don't want to use hotspot or pppoe, but do want to use RADIUS?
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 5:49 PM, Josh Bowsher wrote:
>
>> With profiles in the profiles.txt file. You can specify rate limits and IP
>> pools I do it currently but I use the hotspot mac auth in the mikrotik AP’s
>> 
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Joshua S. Bowsher
>>
>> Director of Internet Services
>> Midwaynet.net
>>
>> Midway Electronics
>>
>> NWIIS a division of MidwayNet, LLC
>> 1250 N McKinley Ave
>> Rensselaer, IN 47978
>> Office 219-866-7946 ext: 212
>>
>> Cell 219-863-0678
>>
>> www.midwaynet.net
>>
>> jbows...@midwaynet.net 
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
>> Behalf Of *Sam Tetherow
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 13, 2011 4:49 PM
>>
>> *To:* WISPA General List
>> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Authentication for WISP's
>>
>>  ** **
>>
>> How do you get it to provide rate limits and ip addresses outside of
>> PPPoE, last time I looked if you were doing MAC Auth out of radius you
>> couldn't pass IP and queues, it has been a while though so this may have
>> changed.
>>
>> On 7/13/11 4:46 PM, Cameron Crum wrote: 
>>
>> Radius can do authentication and provisioning...keep poeple off the
>> network who don't belong, set up queues, assign IP's, set up rules to
>> redirect non-paying customers, etc. It can be a fantastic tool when used
>> properly. It's not jsut for PPPOE. 
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Cameron
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 4:42 PM, Josh Luthman <
>> j...@imaginenetworksllc.com> wrote:
>>
>> What do you want Radius to do if you're not using PPPOE (assuming it's all
>> wireless customers)?
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373 
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 5:39 PM, Josh Bowsher 
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> I like radius I am just having some random issues with pppoe. I do not
>> want to get away from radius. I use Platypus ISP billing and Vircom Radius.
>> 
>>
>>  
>>
>> Joshua S. Bowsher
>>
>> Director of Internet Services
>> Midwaynet.net
>>
>> Midway Electronics
>>
>> NWIIS a division of MidwayNet, LLC
>> 1250 N McKinley Ave
>> Rensselaer, IN 47978
>> Office 219-866-7946 ext: 212
>>
>> Cell 219-863-0678
>>
>> www.midwaynet.net
>>
>> jbows...@midwaynet.net 
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
>> Behalf Of *Cameron Crum
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 13, 2011 4:37 PM
>> *To:* WISPA General List
>> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Authentication for WISP's
>>
>>  
>>
>> What don't you like about radius? MT can do straight MAC auth through
>> radius on the wireless interface. I'm not real sure how your radius server
>> is going to provision anything if it isn't doing the authentication. What
>> are you using as a billing/provisioning platform?
>>
>>  
>>
>> Cameron
>>
>>  
>>
>> Cameron
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 4:10 PM, Josh Bowsher 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I am interested in finding an alternative way to authenticate all of my
>> wireless customers. Currently we use pppoe and I would like to get away from
>> it. I use mikrotik AP’s and my network is OSPF routed. I tried using hotspot
>> mac auth and it worked and still works in some of my AP’s but some of the
>> more crowded locations fell on their face. I am looking for either a way to
>> improve that method or I need a centralized box that would control
>> authentication and let my billing server and radius server still provision
>> speeds and determine that a customer has paid their bill. Curr

Re: [WISPA] Authentication for WISP's

[Cameron Crum]

Radius can do authentication and provisioning...keep poeple off the network
who don't belong, set up queues, assign IP's, set up rules to redirect
non-paying customers, etc. It can be a fantastic tool when used properly.
It's not jsut for PPPOE.

Cameron

On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 4:42 PM, Josh Luthman
wrote:

> What do you want Radius to do if you're not using PPPOE (assuming it's all
> wireless customers)?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 5:39 PM, Josh Bowsher wrote:
>
>> I like radius I am just having some random issues with pppoe. I do not
>> want to get away from radius. I use Platypus ISP billing and Vircom Radius.
>> 
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Joshua S. Bowsher
>>
>> Director of Internet Services
>> Midwaynet.net
>>
>> Midway Electronics
>>
>> NWIIS a division of MidwayNet, LLC
>> 1250 N McKinley Ave
>> Rensselaer, IN 47978
>> Office 219-866-7946 ext: 212
>>
>> Cell 219-863-0678
>>
>> www.midwaynet.net
>>
>> jbows...@midwaynet.net 
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
>> Behalf Of *Cameron Crum
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 13, 2011 4:37 PM
>> *To:* WISPA General List
>> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Authentication for WISP's
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> What don't you like about radius? MT can do straight MAC auth through
>> radius on the wireless interface. I'm not real sure how your radius server
>> is going to provision anything if it isn't doing the authentication. What
>> are you using as a billing/provisioning platform?
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Cameron
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Cameron
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 4:10 PM, Josh Bowsher 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I am interested in finding an alternative way to authenticate all of my
>> wireless customers. Currently we use pppoe and I would like to get away from
>> it. I use mikrotik AP’s and my network is OSPF routed. I tried using hotspot
>> mac auth and it worked and still works in some of my AP’s but some of the
>> more crowded locations fell on their face. I am looking for either a way to
>> improve that method or I need a centralized box that would control
>> authentication and let my billing server and radius server still provision
>> speeds and determine that a customer has paid their bill. Currently I am
>> open to suggestions of what authentication options are available with my
>> mikrotik equipment and I am willing to pay consultation fees if necessary
>> when I get an Idea that will work like I want it to. Also, I hand out both
>> private IP’s and public IP’s only when the customer requests them, and
>> currently if a customer requests a public static I create a custom profile
>> in radius and they get the only IP in a custom pool setup for that profile.
>> Thank you in advance for any and all advice and ideas.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>  
>>
>> Joshua S. Bowsher
>>
>> Director of Internet Services
>> Midwaynet.net
>>
>> Midway Electronics
>>
>> NWIIS a division of MidwayNet, LLC
>> 1250 N McKinley Ave
>> Rensselaer, IN 47978
>> Office 219-866-7946 ext: 212
>>
>> Cell 219-863-0678
>>
>> www.midwaynet.net
>>
>> jbows...@midwaynet.net 
>>
>>  
>>
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Authentication for WISP's

[Cameron Crum]

What don't you like about radius? MT can do straight MAC auth through radius
on the wireless interface. I'm not real sure how your radius server is going
to provision anything if it isn't doing the authentication. What are you
using as a billing/provisioning platform?

Cameron

Cameron

On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 4:10 PM, Josh Bowsher wrote:

> I am interested in finding an alternative way to authenticate all of my
> wireless customers. Currently we use pppoe and I would like to get away from
> it. I use mikrotik AP’s and my network is OSPF routed. I tried using hotspot
> mac auth and it worked and still works in some of my AP’s but some of the
> more crowded locations fell on their face. I am looking for either a way to
> improve that method or I need a centralized box that would control
> authentication and let my billing server and radius server still provision
> speeds and determine that a customer has paid their bill. Currently I am
> open to suggestions of what authentication options are available with my
> mikrotik equipment and I am willing to pay consultation fees if necessary
> when I get an Idea that will work like I want it to. Also, I hand out both
> private IP’s and public IP’s only when the customer requests them, and
> currently if a customer requests a public static I create a custom profile
> in radius and they get the only IP in a custom pool setup for that profile.
> Thank you in advance for any and all advice and ideas.
>
> ** **
>
> Regards,
>
> ** **
>
> Joshua S. Bowsher
>
> Director of Internet Services
> Midwaynet.net
>
> Midway Electronics
>
> NWIIS a division of MidwayNet, LLC
> 1250 N McKinley Ave
> Rensselaer, IN 47978
> Office 219-866-7946 ext: 212
>
> Cell 219-863-0678
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> www.midwaynet.net
>
> jbows...@midwaynet.net 
>
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Re: [WISPA] Radio Mobile users

[Cameron Crum]

Having written a commercial piece of software similar to RM back in the
90's, I can tell you that what Roger does amazes me. My product sold to
cellular companies in the 90's for $18,000.00 per copy! Other competitors
were selling their software for $30,000 per seat per YEAR! The fact that he
gives this stuff away is unbelievable. So the next time you use RM casually,
think about that retail price of similar tools and see if it isn't worth
coughing up a little cash. I'm surprised he hasn't published both a free
edition and a commercial edition with a few more bells and whistles. Maybe
it's time?

Cameron

On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 3:38 PM, Chuck Hogg  wrote:

> Agreed.  I have cross posted this to the Motorola List as well.  Come on
> guys, how many of you have used this valuable free program!?  The man needs
> our help!
>
> Regards,
> Chuck
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 1:47 PM, Jim Patient wrote:
>
>> For those of you that use Radio Mobile now would be a great time to donate
>> if you haven’t sent your donation yet this year.  Roger got laid off from
>> his job but still continues to update and improve Radio Mobile.  I think a
>> little help from the WISP community would be a great gesture for someone
>> that has worked so hard to bring us a valuable free program.
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> There is a donate button on his website.
>> http://www.cplus.org/rmw/english1.html
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Jim Patient
>>
>> Link Technologies, Inc.
>>
>> 314-735-0270
>>
>> www.linktechs.net
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Re: [WISPA] Towers

[Cameron Crum]

Ditto on that Rick. We had a Trylon T200 loosen a set of leg bolts over
about a year and fold over after and ice storm followed by high winds. We
torqued the bolts to mfg specs, but being on a high windy hill, the constant
oscillation loosened the bolts on one leg at about the top of the second
section. And, you are right, they are uncomfortable to work on for extended
periods with no flat cross bracing to stand on.

A neighboring wisp had the same tower fold over on them a couple months
later. I would not use them again unless VERY lightly loaded and under ideal
conditions.

Regards,

Cameron

On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 9:12 PM, RickG  wrote:

> Maybe their heavy duty models but the light and medium weight have weak
> cross bracing that hurts your feet? I've seen heavy winds twist & bend them
> too easily.
>
> On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 8:33 PM,  wrote:
>
>> *Price wise  Titan freestander...  Make sure you buy it from a
>> distributor that gets it already kitted.  Got several of these from Tessco a
>> few years ago and they were a nightmare because Tessco kitted the tower *
>> *themselves**
>> **
>> **Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless*
>>
>>
>> -Original message-
>>
>> *From: *Blair Davis *
>> To: *WISPA General List *
>> Sent: *Wed, May 25, 2011 19:58:03 GMT+00:00*
>> Subject: *[WISPA] Towers
>>
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Re: [WISPA] Attenuation of polycarbonate or acrylic at 5.8Ghz ?

[Cameron Crum]

See if you can find the dielectric constant for both materials and pick the
lowest one. The best material I found was made by a company called Stealth
Technologies back in the 90's. I had Andrew perform tests on their range
with a variety of materials including 1/4" PVC, 1/4" fiberglass, 1/4" ABS
Plastic, and the stealth "sandwich" which was a 1" thick piece of closed
cell foam between two 1/8" pieces of ABS. The stealth material won out. The
fiberglass was the worst. The PVC and ABS were about the same and presented
only a small amount of loss. These were at PCS frequencies right around 1800
MHz. You have to figure a bit more loss the higher frequency you go.

Regards,

Cameron

On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 7:28 PM,  wrote:

> *Not gonna be a problem. I have antennas behing 1" Lexan with no real
> discernable difference
> **
> **
> **
> **Sent via DROID on Verizon Wireless*
>
>
> -Original message-
>
> *From: *Tom Sharples *
> To: *WISPA General List *
> Sent: *Wed, May 25, 2011 22:45:26 GMT+00:00*
> Subject: *[WISPA] Attenuation of polycarbonate or acrylic at 5.8Ghz?
>
> Subject: Attenuation of polycarbonate or acrylic plastic?
>
>
> Hi, we're building a wireless video observation system for a lumber mill
> loading area.
> This is an extremely rough-duty environment with huge logs swinging around,
> and any exposed antennas, cameras, etc. would shortly be smashed to bits.
> We're thinking of installing everything in a 1.5 ft. diameter thickwall
> steel pipe, and installing our required 5.8Ghz panel antenna flush with the
> end of the pipe, covered with a 2" thick piece of polycarbonate or acrylic.
> The link only needs to work at a distance of around 150 feet. However I
> can't find much info on-line about the RF attentuation of clear plastic
> materials (or if it's even enough to matter) at 5.8Ghz. Anyone out here
> ever
> had to do something like this?
>
> Thanks,
>
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Re: [WISPA] Staff Apparel

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Or go buy all the shirts and take them to an embroidery place. I got a bunch
of the same brand/style in the sizes and colors I needed at Costco and had
one of my customers who had an amazing computer controlled embroidery
machine put our logo on them. They turned out great!

Cameron

On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 2:05 PM, David E. Smith  wrote:

>
> On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 13:54, Steve Barnes  wrote:
>
>> I have found this to be an issue.  All the retail shops want to do a min
>> or 12 like shirts.  Basically I have 4 staff that are everywhere from size
>> small to 4X with me doing different names and different colors and different
>> sizes I doubt that I have more than 2 shirts the same.
>>
>>
> You'll probably have better luck finding a small local outfit to do this,
> precisely because the big companies usually have large minimum orders.
>
> If you do want to do it all online, try customink.com. Can't vouch for
> their embroidery, but I've ordered hundreds of screen-printed T-shirts
> through them with no problems. Their Web site they have a minimum embroidery
> order of just 6 shirts, and you can mix-and-match.
>
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Re: [WISPA] FCC477 fines?

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Well it is certainly concerning that they are calling a WISP with fewer than
300 customers and threatening fines. I'd be curious to know how many other
wisps have been called. BTW, we still have the free 477 CSV generator
available on our site if anyone needs to file.

Cameron

On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 8:55 AM, Harold Bledsoe wrote:

> Their ability to fine an entity is covered by Title 47, Chapter 5, Section
> 502:
>
>
> http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/usc.cgi?ACTION=RETRIEVE&FILE=$$xa$$busc47.wais&start=1559935&SIZE=1041&TYPE=TEXT
>
> -Hal
>
> On Fri, May 13, 2011 at 9:29 AM, Tom DeReggi 
> wrote:
> > FCC regulation made it "mandatory" to report. Its not optionional.
> > They limited reporting detail to a level that they felt would not
> compromise
> > other privacy or confidenciality or competition laws.
> >
> > With that said...
> > I personally feel that the FCC is on legally weak grounds to force WISPs
> to
> > provide such data, for a number of reasons.
> > If I got a fine, I'd go to court to fight it, before I'd pay it.
>  However,
> > if the FCC took the time to make the cortesy call, the party in violation
> is
> > on the radar, and it would sure be much easier for the party to just
> report
> > the data, after they got that call.
> >
> > I dont think the FCC has ever fined anyone or audited the data reported.
> I
> > dont think it would go over very well if they did.
> > But I surely dont think its worth the risk to test them. They have the
> > authority to impose the fine on ISPs and WISPs for not filing.
> > (unless over turned faught in court)
> >
> > Tom DeReggi
> > RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
> > IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
> >
> >
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: Brian Webster
> > To: 'WISPA General List'
> > Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 1:36 AM
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] FCC477 fines?
> >
> > I believe it has been that way all along, they just never enforced it.
> >
> >
> >
> > Thank You,
> >
> > Brian Webster
> >
> > www.wirelessmapping.com
> >
> > www.Broadband-Mapping.com
> >
> >
> >
> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> > Behalf Of Cameron Crum
> > Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 12:57 AM
> > To: WISPA General List
> > Subject: [WISPA] FCC477 fines?
> >
> >
> >
> > One of our customers got a call today from the FCC. The FCC
> representative
> > on the other end told him that he had missed the deadline for filing his
> 477
> > form and that this was a courtesy call. If he did not get his filing in
> > soon, he would be subject to a fine. Well it was easy enough to rectify
> with
> > our software for him, but I'm curious as to when this became a finable
> > offense. Does anyone know? We called and questioned the FCC rep who
> > threatened our customer and he told us it was the law, although he was
> > unable to tell us when the "law" went into effect, or which piece of
> > legislation made it law and a finable offense. Can you really be fined
> for
> > this now? Any of you lurking lawyers out there know? I'd be curious to
> know.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Cameron
> >
> > 
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[WISPA] FCC477 fines?

[Cameron Crum]

One of our customers got a call today from the FCC. The FCC representative
on the other end told him that he had missed the deadline for filing his 477
form and that this was a courtesy call. If he did not get his filing in
soon, he would be subject to a fine. Well it was easy enough to rectify with
our software for him, but I'm curious as to when this became a finable
offense. Does anyone know? We called and questioned the FCC rep who
threatened our customer and he told us it was the law, although he was
unable to tell us when the "law" went into effect, or which piece of
legislation made it law and a finable offense. Can you really be fined for
this now? Any of you lurking lawyers out there know? I'd be curious to know.

Regards,

Cameron



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Re: [WISPA] My day is now dedicated to UBB research. You should too.

[Cameron Crum]

What happens if/when you reboot the MT? Don't you lose your counts? I would
think a better idea would be to use traffic flow and an external NetFlow
analyzer. We are working on this for Wispmon as another way (other than
radius accounting) to do usage based billing with the product. The downside
to this is that the "Traffic Flow" stream as they call it, does not output
the mac field (even though one is available according to the NetFlow spec).
So if you are using DHCP, it becomes harder to track with this method as you
would have to constantly poll the routers to find out what mac they are
attached to. RADIUS is fairly cumbersome too as you have to sum all the
accounting sessions for a given user over a given time period.

On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 12:25 PM, Josh Luthman
wrote:

> Joe - http://www.mikrotik-routeros.com/?p=24
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
>
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 12:08 PM, Joe Miller wrote:
>
>> Can this script be made available for everyone?
>>
>> Joe Miller
>> DSLbyAir, LLC
>> 228-831-8881
>> www.dslbyair.com
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Stuart Pierce" 
>> To: "WISPA General List" 
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 8:05 AM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] My day is now dedicated to UBB research. You should
>> too.
>>
>>
>> > I've been saying for a while now that you have to have bandwidth caps
>> and
>> > costs stated on your website somewhere, even if you are not charging for
>> > them at this point. You also have to have some method of giving feedback
>> > to them on their bandwidth consumption.
>> >
>> > Right now thanks to Josh for the heads up about Andrew Cox's script for
>> a
>> > Mikrotik box, I've done that and so far so good. It will email the
>> client
>> > when they reach percentages of usage with whatever you want the content
>> of
>> > the email to say.
>> >
>> > What did your letter say ?
>> >
>> > -- Original Message --
>> > From: Mark Nash 
>> > Reply-To: WISPA General List 
>> > Date:  Mon, 02 May 2011 10:34:01 -0700
>> >
>> >>I think it's important for people to (after gaining an understanding of
>> >>the impact they have on "shared" bandwidth) choose one of these...
>> >>
>> >>1. pay more (either by overages or a different service plan that allows
>> >>for more & costs more), or
>> >>2. change their behavior to not use so much
>> >>3. leave
>> >>
>> >>I am implementing this now.  The letter went out on Friday to most
>> >>customers...
>> >>
>> >>On 5/2/2011 10:25 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
>> >>> Not saying what I'm doing is right...I don't have enough spectrum to
>> >>> continue to deliver the service...haven't figured anything else out
>> yet.
>> >>>
>> >>> Regards,
>> >>>
>> >>> Chuck
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 1:21 PM, Josh Luthman
>> >>> mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Why not collect more revenue instead of limiting them?  I suppose
>> >>> if the customer wants to simply be throttled back instead of pay
>> >>> more, that's one thing, but I imagine it makes more sense to
>> >>> capitalize on something.
>> >>>
>> >>> Thinking along the lines of the on demand movies and stuff from
>> >>> cable companies, for example.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Josh Luthman
>> >>> Office: 937-552-2340 
>> >>> Direct: 937-552-2343 
>> >>> 1100 Wayne St
>> >>> Suite 1337
>> >>> Troy, OH 45373
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 1:17 PM, Chuck Hogg > >>> > wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> 25GB per month. 128k/s after exceeding their limit.
>> >>>
>> >>> Regards,
>> >>>
>> >>> Chuck
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 1:02 PM, Matt > >>> > wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> > Robert
>> >>> > up/down/aggregate
>> >>> > 103972 MB   469598 MB   573570 MB
>> >>> >
>> >>> > The guy downloaded 470 gigs in April.  Paying $53.32 for
>> >>> 4 megabits down.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > I got no responses at all about monthly caps on my
>> >>> previous email, but if
>> >>> > anyone could offer what bandwidth rates and monthly caps
>> >>> you are using I
>> >>> > would greatly appreciate it.
>> >>>
>> >>> What is cost per megabit from your upstream?
>> >>>
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Re: [WISPA] WISPA Disaster Fund - Cyber Broadband

[Cameron Crum]

How is he for equipment? I've got several 2.4 and 5.8 grid dishes, a few 5
GHz solid dishes, and some other stuff that might be useful. Do you have an
email for him?

Regards,

Cameron

On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 9:27 AM, Rick Harnish  wrote:

>  Last evening, Jay Fuller and Cyber Broadband of Culman, Alabama, took a
> direct hit on his main distribution tower where his fiber backbone
> originates.  This is a severe hit for any WISP company.  I am seeking
> immediate financial donations to assist Jay in getting his business back up
> and operational as quickly as possible.
>
>
>
> Often times in emergencies like this, insurance payments are delayed,
> delaying network repairs.  As we all know, our businesses cannot experience
> extended outage periods. Hopefully, over time, we can continue this
> immediate need and develop a Disaster Fund, which will be an investment in
> the bank, awaiting the next disaster.
>
>
>
> Obviously, the Board will need to approve this fund and establish a
> committee and the rules the fund will operate within.   Anyone interested in
> volunteering for a Disaster Committee, email me back.
>
>
>
> Below is a link to a Disaster Fund Paypal Donate button.
>
>
>
>
> https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_s-xclick&hosted_button_id=7KTTJBGG8K6BN
>
>
>
> I have also created a page on the WISPA website called WISPA Disaster 
> Fund.
> After a committee is established and the rules are set, this page will serve
> as the base of operations and financial need requests.  The donate button is
> also on this page.
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>
>
>
>
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>
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Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Usage Caps Examples?

[Cameron Crum]

Gosh, I need to hit the right button. That reply was supposed to be offlist.
It was not meant to be a sales pitch. Sorry about that. Marlon and I had
were talking on the phone earlier and I was replying in part to some of that
conversations. My apologies.

Cameron

On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 1:31 PM, Mark Nash  wrote:

>  Cameron...
>
> That is the point of an OSS... an INTEGRATED solution that should help
> operators realize a net gain from the expense of using it. :)  I look
> forward to seeing how your solution gets rated by WISPs over the next year
> or so...
>
> As operators increasingly succumb to the pressure and the need for UBB,
> they will look to Wispmon & other key players in this area more & more.
>
>
> On 4/25/2011 11:21 AM, Cameron Crum wrote:
>
> I get your point and fully agree. Before we sold the network, we were
> looking at an entire technology change and adding a lot more towers.
> Capacity is everything these days as you point out. Metered billing is
> certainly the way to go and we are trying to convince our Wispmon customers
> of the benefits. As for the FCC reporting, they are still stuck on the speed
> issue. They simply want what is offered to your customers. Whether is is BS
> or not I guess is up to the conscience of the reporter. Most of our Wispmon
> customers never thought of recording actual speeds until they started using
> our software and it was convenient for them to do so. Heck, if they use the
> work order system, it is practically mandatory. One of the things we hope to
> do with Wispmon is influence change in our industry to make people keep
> better records and to have better procedures. If that leads to them
> realizing how much money they are leaving on the table or even losing, then
> that is a win for all of us. You can't begin to imagine the kind of data
> formats we come across. It's astounding that some of these guys have made it
> as long as they have. I would have given up if I had as hard a time doing
> business as they have. Your business is fairly complex, but at least you had
> accurate records in pretty much one place. We get people with info spread
> across 5 different programs and can correlate none of them.
>
> Cameron
>
> On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 12:55 PM, Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181) <
> o...@odessaoffice.com> wrote:
>
>>  Thanks Cameron,
>>
>> Back in 1999 when I first designed my billing plan I was literally laughed
>> at.  Everyone knew that you sold speed, not capacity.
>>
>> But tell me where else, anywhere, we pay for all you can eat, all of the
>> time?  You don't buy your electricity by the voltage, you buy it by the
>> current used.  Water doesn't come in pounds per square inch, it's gallons
>> used.  Gas isn't in miles per hour etc. etc. etc.
>>
>> Why do we think we can sell internet by the speed and charge less than a
>> dedicated pipe costs?  Times, they are a changin'
>>
>> We figure $x.00 per month in costs per customer per gigabit used.  In my
>> case the cost per gig is about $.50 to $1.00 per unit depending on my costs
>> and how you run the numbers.
>>
>> You must also figure in the amount of capacity you need each AP to
>> transfer during peak hours.  No sense selling what you can't deliver.  We
>> use the bit caps as a way to encourage the bandwidth hogs to mess up someone
>> else's service and keep my system running at peak capabilities, not beyond
>> them.
>>
>> Our customers get 10 to 15 gigs per month with their accounts.  That's
>> enough to do pretty much anything anyone wants to do except movies and 24/7
>> internet radio (my parents have this problem :-).
>>
>> For movies, the average movie is 1 to 3 gigs.  An HD movie is 8 to 10.
>> Netflix will simply figure out how much speed the customer has available and
>> send more data to suck it all up.  It can use a little or a lot.  Usually a
>> lot.
>>
>> We also put a cap on our fiber customers.  That's costing us users these
>> days.  But I don't know what else to do, there is no money in fiber anyway,
>> then the customer wants to use $20 per month in upstream fees on his $5.00
>> net account.
>>
>> It's hard to figure out how to set all of this so that the average
>> customer can do what he needs to do, but you can afford to stay in business.
>>
>> We are certainly loosing some customers to the ones that don't have caps.
>> But those guys are going to go down in flames in the next couple of years.
>> They will HAVE to move to bit caps or raise their rates.  Even higher prices
>> isn't going to he

Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Usage Caps Examples?

[Cameron Crum]

I get your point and fully agree. Before we sold the network, we were
looking at an entire technology change and adding a lot more towers.
Capacity is everything these days as you point out. Metered billing is
certainly the way to go and we are trying to convince our Wispmon customers
of the benefits. As for the FCC reporting, they are still stuck on the speed
issue. They simply want what is offered to your customers. Whether is is BS
or not I guess is up to the conscience of the reporter. Most of our Wispmon
customers never thought of recording actual speeds until they started using
our software and it was convenient for them to do so. Heck, if they use the
work order system, it is practically mandatory. One of the things we hope to
do with Wispmon is influence change in our industry to make people keep
better records and to have better procedures. If that leads to them
realizing how much money they are leaving on the table or even losing, then
that is a win for all of us. You can't begin to imagine the kind of data
formats we come across. It's astounding that some of these guys have made it
as long as they have. I would have given up if I had as hard a time doing
business as they have. Your business is fairly complex, but at least you had
accurate records in pretty much one place. We get people with info spread
across 5 different programs and can correlate none of them.

Cameron

On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 12:55 PM, Marlon K. Schafer (509-982-2181) <
o...@odessaoffice.com> wrote:

>  Thanks Cameron,
>
> Back in 1999 when I first designed my billing plan I was literally laughed
> at.  Everyone knew that you sold speed, not capacity.
>
> But tell me where else, anywhere, we pay for all you can eat, all of the
> time?  You don't buy your electricity by the voltage, you buy it by the
> current used.  Water doesn't come in pounds per square inch, it's gallons
> used.  Gas isn't in miles per hour etc. etc. etc.
>
> Why do we think we can sell internet by the speed and charge less than a
> dedicated pipe costs?  Times, they are a changin'
>
> We figure $x.00 per month in costs per customer per gigabit used.  In my
> case the cost per gig is about $.50 to $1.00 per unit depending on my costs
> and how you run the numbers.
>
> You must also figure in the amount of capacity you need each AP to transfer
> during peak hours.  No sense selling what you can't deliver.  We use the bit
> caps as a way to encourage the bandwidth hogs to mess up someone else's
> service and keep my system running at peak capabilities, not beyond them.
>
> Our customers get 10 to 15 gigs per month with their accounts.  That's
> enough to do pretty much anything anyone wants to do except movies and 24/7
> internet radio (my parents have this problem :-).
>
> For movies, the average movie is 1 to 3 gigs.  An HD movie is 8 to 10.
> Netflix will simply figure out how much speed the customer has available and
> send more data to suck it all up.  It can use a little or a lot.  Usually a
> lot.
>
> We also put a cap on our fiber customers.  That's costing us users these
> days.  But I don't know what else to do, there is no money in fiber anyway,
> then the customer wants to use $20 per month in upstream fees on his $5.00
> net account.
>
> It's hard to figure out how to set all of this so that the average customer
> can do what he needs to do, but you can afford to stay in business.
>
> We are certainly loosing some customers to the ones that don't have caps.
> But those guys are going to go down in flames in the next couple of years.
> They will HAVE to move to bit caps or raise their rates.  Even higher prices
> isn't going to help when there isn't enough spectrum available to service
> the customers.
>
> How many movies can you support at once across the average AP?  5?  10 at
> the most?  I don't know about you guys but my break even point is 10 subs
> per tower.
>
> Does that help at all?  If not, give me a call and I'll answer any
> questions I can.  509.988.0260
>
> marlon
>
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Cameron Crum 
> *To:* WISPA General List 
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 21, 2011 9:30 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Usage Caps Examples?
>
> Talk with Marlon at Odessa Office Equipment. He's been doing bandwidth caps
> for years.
>
> Cameron
>
> On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 5:33 PM, Jason Novinger wrote:
>
>> They WISP that I work with actually implements no bandiwdth caps and
>> uses it as a marketing strategy against the local cable company. The
>> cable company uses the model of guaranteeing speeds, but charging $x
>> for y GB over some arbitrary cap. They also provide a package geared
>> for 

Re: [WISPA] Bandwidth Usage Caps Examples?

[Cameron Crum]

Talk with Marlon at Odessa Office Equipment. He's been doing bandwidth caps
for years.

Cameron

On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 5:33 PM, Jason Novinger  wrote:

> They WISP that I work with actually implements no bandiwdth caps and
> uses it as a marketing strategy against the local cable company. The
> cable company uses the model of guaranteeing speeds, but charging $x
> for y GB over some arbitrary cap. They also provide a package geared
> for video that has no bandwidth caps, but also does not guarantee any
> speed.
>
> Also, given AT&T's, the other local competitor, decision to implement
> caps, this WISP is the _only_ local provider that does have any sort
> of caps.
>
> Holler off-list if you would like more specifics.
>
> Jason
>
> On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 2:04 PM, Dan  wrote:
> > We operate a small WISP plant that is becoming outmoded and is scheduled
> > to be replaced.  Previously we have had a tiered pricing scheme but the
> > video explosion has had a severe impact on our existing plant.  We are
> > looking at better future-proofing our next deployment with the right
> > model, which we believe to be either the billed-for-heavy-usage model or
> > block pricing.
> >
> > Without getting into discussion about the evils of bandwidth caps too
> > much, are there any examples of how WISP's are managing this?  Can
> > anyone provide examples of end-user agreement language pertaining to
> > this, the simpler the better?
> >
> > Also, what software or management platform are people using to monitor
> > and automate billing of overages, etc?
> >
> > Feel free to reply to me off-list if needed.
> >
> > --Dan P.
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [WISPA] Can 900MHz do this?

[Cameron Crum]

What about using an RB411auh and buying a sim card?

Cameron

On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 1:01 AM, Blair Davis  wrote:

>  I have used a pair of bullets and 24db grids to do a bounce off a water
> tower before...
>
>
> On 4/13/2011 8:00 PM, Greg Ihnen wrote:
>
> Thanks for the info about 900MHz. It sounds like it would work.
>
> The only thing I can find in country is 2.4GHz and 5.8GHz gear. So I'll have 
> to import the 900MHz if I want it or just go with 2.4GHz. I might try the 
> 2.4GHz NanoBridges since I can buy them locally. With the 18dbi antennas it 
> might be enough. There's a water tower that both ends could see. I'm thinking 
> of pointing the NanoBridges at the water tower and hope I get enough scatter.
>
> For the controller I'm going to use this: http://www.controlbyweb.com/x301/  
> It's really cool. It's got two inputs you can watch, two outputs, plus you 
> can watch the temp and input voltage. We use the timers here to start and 
> stop the generator, one input shows the gen's run/not running condition and 
> the other input is for alarms. On alarms I have it email me and others 
> notifications.
>
> Greg
> On Apr 13, 2011, at 4:47 PM, ~NGL~ wrote:
>
>
>  We use Tranzeo TR-902's in hills all the time, and have good luck.
> I use this unit to reboot my Ap's on the towers, it is controlled with a
> pager.http://www.wesellpagers.com/wireless_switch.htm
>
> Bob Rothstein
> Prime Access
> (877) 333-1003
>
> Works flawless
> NGL
>
> --
> From: "Greg Ihnen"  
> Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 1:54 PM
> To: "WISPA General List"  
> Subject: [WISPA] Can 900MHz do this?
>
>
>  I've been asked by the powers that be in a nearby small municipality to
> remote control their generators as I have done on our own, so they can
> quickly shut it down when lightning approaches. They just lost one of
> their 500KVA generators to lightning. I'd be volunteering my time and
> expertise in return for brownie points.
>
> What I did where I live is use UBNT 2.4GHz gear because the distance is
> short and it's line of site.
>
> Where I've been asked to do this job the layout is the generator is up on
> a small hill on the far side of the peak from the town (not line of site).
> The link distance would be about a mile. The hilltop has a smooth rounded
> transition, not a jagged peak. I'm wondering if 900MHz would be choice
> here since it's nlos.
>
> If I did this in 2.4GHz I think I'd need an intermediate hop. There is a
> convenient place to put an intermediate hop which might consist of a
> Picostation plus car battery, charge controller and solar panel. The
> problem with this is the complexity, cost and theft issues.
>
> There's no good data for the area to do something like Radio Mobile.
>
> I'm just curious what people's experience has been with 900MHz and hills.
>
> Thanks!
> Greg
>
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Re: [WISPA] Question about QMailToaster and Powercode

[Cameron Crum]

I don't know about Powercode, but Wispmon can ;). In all truthfullness,
toaster is easy to script and should be easy to do with anything that can
run scripts through ssh or cgi. I've done it both ways using perl scripts on
the qmt box.

Cameron

On Tue, Apr 12, 2011 at 9:41 AM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr <
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Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update

[Cameron Crum]

It's actually NOT a lot of power on the AP side. It is the technology and
the air interface. Most CDMA technologies have very low threshold to make a
good link. I remember designing these networks and seeing great performance
with signals as low as -107dBm. In fact the whole goal with CDMA based
technologies is to keep everyone transmitting at the lowest power possible.
The more power a single user has to put out, the more power everyone has to
put to out just to "be heard". With CDMA, everything is based on the noise
floor and the higher that floor becomes, the worse the system performs. That
is why you don't want a user 5 miles away maintaining a link to a tower (in
a typical urban or suburban morphology). His phone ramps up to maintain the
link making the noise floor higher, the sector ramps up, then everyone else
close in starts "shouting" just to get their code heard above the noise.
Pretty soon, the whole sector becomes unstable and everyone drops. CDMA
technologies also have the luxury of the rake receiver which essentially
correlates received signals from several sectors at once to maintain
communication with a device. All of this makes for a far superior technology
than we have access to, and you have to have clean spectrum for this all to
work so well...something we don't have.

Cameron

On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 7:54 AM, St. Louis Broadband
wrote:

> Yes, I have to agree that mobile has come a long way, since I was carrying
> that big bag phone around.
>
> That has to be a lot of power on the ap side.
>
> ~V~
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Charles Wu [mailto:c...@cticonnect.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 6:37 AM
> To: li...@stlbroadband.com; WISPA General List
> Subject: RE: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update
>
> It's generally known that the 20 Mb "burst" given by cable companies is
> throttled to sustained download speeds in the 1-3 Mb range
>
> That said, the point I'm trying to make is that the technology has come so
> far for mobile cellular data that we are now "unconsciously" comparing it
> side-by-side to fixed terrestrial broadband technologies (think of it this
> way, how many WISPs can deliver "up-to" speeds of 8-10 Mb to a low power
> handset in the middle of a concrete building 3+ miles away from a tower)
>
> -Charles
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of St. Louis Broadband
> Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 9:33 PM
> To: 'WISPA General List'
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update
>
> I just checked my Charter via Ookla and it said I was getting 20 Mbps down
> and 1 Mbps up, horse pucky.
> I only get that in speedtests and never when I have to upload or download a
> big file via FTP or whatever.
> It generally gets throttled to dial up speeds or worse.
>
> ~V~
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Charles Wu
> Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 9:21 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW - update
>
> Sitting in my living room at 8 pm3 bars, laptop connected to wireless
> router on phone
>
> http://www.speedtest.net/result/1236758959.png
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> Behalf Of Tom DeReggi
> Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 6:39 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW
>
> Yeah, its nice when a product is brand new, and you get the whole sector
> all
>
> to yourself.
>
> I guess, its amazing that you are getting the speed to a handset, without
> the big antenna outside.
>
> Tom DeReggi
> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Charles Wu" 
> To: ; "WISPA GeneralList"  >
> Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 8:31 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW
>
>
> > It is my understanding that Verizon is deploying an FDD version of LTE
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
> > Behalf Of Paolo Di Francesco
> > Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2011 11:09 AM
> > To: WISPA General List
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Verizon 4G LTE - WOW
> >
> > most of the test are "half duplex" tests. In few words, they do one
> > direction, then the other direction (e.g. first the customer download,
> > then the customer upload).
> >
> > Suppose you have a 10Mb half duplex: the test will tell you that you
> > have 10Mb in one direction and 10Mb in the other direction. Then you use
> > the connection in 10Mb full duplex and you will discover the story is
> > totally different ;)
> >
> > Also, yes it's interesting to see what is happening on the network
> > interface when the test is running...
> >
> >> Do a real test and report back, like FTP. Ookla & Speedtest.net test are
> >> bogus 99.9% percent of the time because it's based on screwy test
> >> algorithms.
> >>
> >> On 04/

[WISPA] MT 5.0 broke cli

[Cameron Crum]

Has anyone else noticed that running commands from the CLI on the 5.0 full
release does not work? I've tried this on 2 routers and nada. I can change
directories, put doing a pr or trying to run a command shows nothing. Anyone
else seeing this?

Cameron



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Re: [WISPA] OpenSource Email Server platform

[Cameron Crum]

I used to use qmail toaster. It worked great as long as you ran good spam
software with it. I ran spamassassin and spamdyke. I hired Eric Shubes to
set it up for me initially. If you look at any of the forums for qmail
toaster, he is the guy who answers most of the questions. I can get you
contact info if you need. It was a hassle when people's accounts were
compromised and we ended up on RBL's, or when someone got a virus that did
the same. I just didn't like the monthly (or more) maintenance for the spam
filters and cleaning out inactive accounts. I'd certainly pay the $0.35/box
now if I had it to do again.

Cameron

On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 10:17 PM, Josh Luthman
wrote:

> http://www.ikano.com/vendor/googleapps_vendor.asp
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 11:14 PM, Blair Davis  wrote:
>
>>  We really would like to find someone who could do the Google move and
>> give us that .35 pricing as well
>>
>>
>> On 3/29/2011 10:56 AM, Mark Nash wrote:
>>
>> Would someone please tell me who to get in touch with for this $.35 per
>> account price you're getting?  I haven't been able to track anyone down
>> about it.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> On 3/29/2011 6:53 AM, Chuck Hogg wrote:
>>
>> All I'm going to say about this is that Gmail made my email headaches go
>> away.  No more tracking down spam/antivirus issues, no more webmail issues,
>> no more hardware issues with the servers (disks seemed to fail in an email
>> server more often than a web server).  No more people getting their password
>> hacked and thousands of emails being sent out.  No more IPs ending up in the
>> SORBS/et. al databases.  I tracked email maintenance time and materials for
>> 6 months, and it was well worth the $.35 per email account we spent to let
>> Google do it.
>>
>>  It is so easy to tell someone to take their iPhone/Droid phone/et. al
>> and select Google as their email provider and put in their login
>> information.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Chuck
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 9:15 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote:
>>
>>>  You can slice it any way you like...
>>>
>>> all I can tell you is that ... when you have evaluate honestly  how much
>>> time is spent by yourself or someone vs  how much you have to pay for the
>>> service...
>>>
>>> for example.
>>> Paying someone $75/month to keep linux boxes uptodate  and secure is a
>>> very inexpensive proposition.
>>> Paying someone $0.25 per mailbox for high quality spam / virus filtering
>>> services is a very inexpensive proposition..
>>>
>>> paying $0.35 per mailbox which includes some ridiculous amount of storage
>>> and spam / anti virus is a heck of a deal...
>>>
>>> Unless you need somethings else that is not there...
>>> e.g. in our case, we use internal hosted machines that we have
>>> 'outsourced' security & updates on to a third party... and we pay a
>>> different third party for excellent Spam/Virus filtering...
>>>
>>> our problem was very simple... we provide hosting packages along with
>>> email even though what Google and Tucows offer is a great deal.. but  we
>>> needed options which they don't offer.
>>>
>>> Maybe next go around we may separate mail from hosting control panel...
>>>
>>> Your Mileage May Vary.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Faisal Imtiaz
>>> Snappy Internet & Telecom
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 3/28/2011 8:41 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>>>
>>> Exactly, out-sourcing just means you just pay for it indirectly, plus
>>> their profit.
>>>
>>> -
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutionshttp://www.ics-il.com
>>>
>>>
>>> On 3/28/2011 5:18 PM, Cameron Crum wrote:
>>>
>>> It all costs some way. You pay for administration, hardware, etc, whether
>>> you outsource or host it yourself. The time savings for me would be well
>>> worth $0.35 per user even in the thousands...may not be for others.
>>>
>>> Cameron
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 5:04 PM, Matt  wrote:
>>>
>>>> > Do you have the ability to do multiple domains with the Google
>>>> platform?  We
>>>> > also offer hosting services that need email.
>>>>
>>>>

Re: [WISPA] Fwd: Data Caps and Streaming

[Cameron Crum]

A bit off topic...

"For instance, what if there were no traffic lights or laws such as speed
limits and those that keep slower traffic in the right lane? The roads would
be a mess!"

Try living in Buenas Airesmost intersections have no stop signs or
lights and the ones that do rarely get paid attention to. It's downright
scary trying to cross the street let alone drive. I can see your point.

Cameron

On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 1:25 AM, RickG  wrote:

> If you use QOS then they are not using the internet the way they choose.
> They want it wide open. Besides, this is not about choice. In my scenario,
> they still have a choice. If people understood how a network works then they
> would glad to do as I say. For instance, what if there were no traffic
> lights or laws such as speed limits and those that keep slower traffic in
> the right lane? The roads would be a mess! Tell me the difference? For me, I
> want a nice, neat, efficient network that allows me to take advantage of it
> when I need it to. I'd pay a premium to do so just like those who pay to use
> high capacity lanes in the big city.
>
> On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 11:53 PM, Jeremie Chism  wrote:
>
>> I think alot of what your talking about is going to be market driven.
>> Right now none of my competition uses caps on their business customers and
>> neither can I.  I use QOS and wimax to try to keep everything fair but my
>> customers feel like they should be able to use their Internet in any way
>> they choose.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Mar 29, 2011, at 10:15 PM, RickG  wrote:
>>
>> Fred, I respectfully disagree. First off, applications being run on my
>> network ARE my business. Many apps can have detrimental effect on it and
>> therefore I have a right and responsibility to say what can run on it.
>> Secondly, priority bits simply cost more to provide and tax the network more
>> than non-priority. Everyone expects their high priority apps (video/voice)
>> to be first in line without delays and that's really what all the fuss is
>> about. Meanwhile, we have been focusing on raw usage but that is only a part
>> of the equation. Just billing for monthly overages does not consider daily
>> peak usage times. In fact, in questioning many customers, they would be
>> happy to pay a premium for a high-priority, low latency connection for
>> certain apps. Heck, I can even see premiums for usage based on the time of
>> day but that may be pushing it. This may sound extreme but everyone laughed
>> at me back in 1997 when I bought an Allot box for UBB.
>> BTW:While economic optimization is good, network optimization is better.
>> Over the years, I've seen fast networks and slow networks, I'd pay more any
>> day to be on a fast network.
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 2:28 PM, Fred Goldstein < 
>> fgoldst...@ionary.com> wrote:
>>
>>>  At 3/29/2011 01:20 PM, RickG wrote:
>>>
>>> I still say there needs to be more than just caps. There needs to be a
>>> matrix of billing by priority such as video at .03/meg, file transfer at
>>> .02, email at .01, etc. Heck, perhaps HD can be .05 and SD at .03? (Prices
>>> are just for arguments sake)
>>>
>>>
>>> Well, no, there doesn't.  Applications are none of the network's
>>> business.  That's one reason why DPI is evil.
>>>
>>> HOWEVER, I am not opposed to appliation-agnostic billing for usage, by
>>> QoS.  It is perfectly reasonable for a network to charge for usage that
>>> imposes a cost.  And while the teevee fiends are sure, just certain, that
>>> 300 GB/month imposes precisely zero cost on the network, I doubt many WISPs
>>> would agree.  Especially rural ones who have to pay for backhaul, or who
>>> have multi-hop networks.
>>>
>>> IP, of course, is one-size-fits-all, with QoS being rare.  Hence caps and
>>> overage charges are a way to do cost averaging for the majority (since
>>> people hate billing for usage), while still hitting the heaviest users.
>>> Block pricing (like wireless, having say 10, 50, and 150 GB/month plans,
>>> plus overage) also works.  And if you go beyond plain old IP and do have a
>>> QoS-enabled protocol, then lower-loss or delay-limited (or whatever) traffic
>>> should carry a premium.  Regardless of what it's used for.  Then the
>>> applications could adapt to the pricing.  This leads towards economic
>>> optimization.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 11:50 AM, Bret Clark <
>>> bcl...@spectraaccess.com > wrote:
>>>  I know this is Canada, but I can just see some congressman here in the
>>> US one day bitch about not being able to cleaning watch the "Jackass 3"
>>> movie from Netflix and demanding that all service providers get rid of
>>> bandwidth quotas and throttling by introducing a new bill.
>>>
>>> On 03/29/2011 11:26 AM, Matt wrote:
>>> > 
>>> http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2011/03/data-caps-claim-a-victim-netflix-streaming-video.ars
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>>   --
>>>  Fre

Re: [WISPA] Fwd: Data Caps and Streaming

[Cameron Crum]

Wow that would be cool. Now just to find a device which can split all that
out easily and maintain accounting.

Cameron

On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 12:20 PM, RickG  wrote:

> I still say there needs to be more than just caps. There needs to be a
> matrix of billing by priority such as video at .03/meg, file transfer at
> .02, email at .01, etc. Heck, perhaps HD can be .05 and SD at .03? (Prices
> are just for arguments sake)
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 11:50 AM, Bret Clark wrote:
>
>> I know this is Canada, but I can just see some congressman here in the
>> US one day bitch about not being able to cleaning watch the "Jackass 3"
>> movie from Netflix and demanding that all service providers get rid of
>> bandwidth quotas and throttling by introducing a new bill.
>>
>> On 03/29/2011 11:26 AM, Matt wrote:
>> >
>> http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2011/03/data-caps-claim-a-victim-netflix-streaming-video.ars
>> >
>> >
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Re: [WISPA] OpenSource Email Server platform

[Cameron Crum]

It all costs some way. You pay for administration, hardware, etc, whether
you outsource or host it yourself. The time savings for me would be well
worth $0.35 per user even in the thousands...may not be for others.

Cameron

On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 5:04 PM, Matt  wrote:

> > Do you have the ability to do multiple domains with the Google platform?
>  We
> > also offer hosting services that need email.
>
> To do the switch to Gmail I believe you must change all client SMTP
> and POP3 server settings.  Yuk.  Also, depending how many email
> accounts you have $0.35 can really add up especially when in the
> thousands.
>
> > I would second qmailtoaster if you have to have your own server.
> Personally,
> > I would never run my own server again. At $0.35/mailbox with google or
> other
> > hosted platforms, the time and effort it takes to keep things updated and
> > blocking spam effectively are much more costly.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Cameron
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 3:03 PM, Frank Crawford 
> wrote:
> >
> > http://www.mailenable.com/standard_edition.asp
> >
> > There is a free (as in beer) edition and versions with the requirements
> > that you requested.
> >
> > Frank
> >
> > On 3/28/2011 12:53 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr wrote:
> >> Since we began in '98 we've been using the same windows based email
> server
> >> MailMax.  Because of some support/productivity issues we are
> investigating
> >> integrating a new box.  The requirements are: webmail, web management of
> >> individuals mail accounts (with password reset), pop3/smtp/imap, can run
> on
> >> Windows or Linux.  We would also like a calendar and address book module
> in
> >> webmail as well.
> >>
> >> Anyone have suggestions?
>
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Re: [WISPA] OpenSource Email Server platform

[Cameron Crum]

I can't see why not.

On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 4:35 PM, Christopher Hair wrote:

> Do you have the ability to do multiple domains with the Google platform?
>  We also offer hosting services that need email.
>
>
>
> -Chris
>
>
>
> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Cameron Crum
> *Sent:* Monday, March 28, 2011 4:24 PM
>
> *To:* WISPA General List
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] OpenSource Email Server platform
>
>
>
> I would second qmailtoaster if you have to have your own server.
> Personally, I would never run my own server again. At $0.35/mailbox with
> google or other hosted platforms, the time and effort it takes to keep
> things updated and blocking spam effectively are much more costly.
>
> Regards,
>
> Cameron
>
> On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 3:03 PM, Frank Crawford  wrote:
>
> http://www.mailenable.com/standard_edition.asp
>
> There is a free (as in beer) edition and versions with the requirements
> that you requested.
>
> Frank
>
>
> On 3/28/2011 12:53 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr wrote:
> > Since we began in '98 we've been using the same windows based email
> server MailMax.  Because of some support/productivity issues we are
> investigating integrating a new box.  The requirements are: webmail, web
> management of individuals mail accounts (with password reset),
> pop3/smtp/imap, can run on Windows or Linux.  We would also like a calendar
> and address book module in webmail as well.
> >
> > Anyone have suggestions?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Patrick Nix, Jr.,
> > Computer Network Solutions
> > CSWEB.NET Internet Services
> > IT Manager
> > http://www.cnetworksolutions.com
> > http://www.csweb.net
> > (918) 235-0414
> >
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Re: [WISPA] OpenSource Email Server platform

[Cameron Crum]

I would second qmailtoaster if you have to have your own server. Personally,
I would never run my own server again. At $0.35/mailbox with google or other
hosted platforms, the time and effort it takes to keep things updated and
blocking spam effectively are much more costly.

Regards,

Cameron

On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 3:03 PM, Frank Crawford  wrote:

> http://www.mailenable.com/standard_edition.asp
>
> There is a free (as in beer) edition and versions with the requirements
> that you requested.
>
> Frank
>
> On 3/28/2011 12:53 PM, Patrick D. Nix, Jr wrote:
> > Since we began in '98 we've been using the same windows based email
> server MailMax.  Because of some support/productivity issues we are
> investigating integrating a new box.  The requirements are: webmail, web
> management of individuals mail accounts (with password reset),
> pop3/smtp/imap, can run on Windows or Linux.  We would also like a calendar
> and address book module in webmail as well.
> >
> > Anyone have suggestions?
> >
> > Thanks,
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