Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Bandwidth Sources.
You have been much sheltered. I weep for the. But in hindsight, not seeing Star Trek is a positive thing. Your Master. Yoshi- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 1:55 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Bandwidth Sources. I have never seen Star Trek. On Aug 6, 2010 1:53 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Stop watching Star Trek TNG and do something. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] O... Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 1:41 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Bandwidth Sources. Concrete doesn't stick... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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I also suspect that thee is lying. Please excuse thee to the bathroom where you may put out your pants which may be on fire. Your guardian angel- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 1:55 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Bandwidth Sources. I have never seen Star Trek. On Aug 6, 2010 1:53 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Stop watching Star Trek TNG and do something. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] O... Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 1:41 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Bandwidth Sources. Concrete doesn't stick... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Bandwidth Sources.
http://www.polyvore.com/cgi/img-thing?.out=jpgsize=ltid=1689537 Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 2:07 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: I also suspect that thee is lying. Please excuse thee to the bathroom where you may put out your pants which may be on fire. Your guardian angel- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 1:55 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Bandwidth Sources. I have never seen Star Trek. On Aug 6, 2010 1:53 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Stop watching Star Trek TNG and do something. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] O... Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 1:41 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Bandwidth Sources. Concrete doesn't stick... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Bandwidth Sources.
I thought as much. Always in denial. An adjustment of your medication may be in order. I will discuss this with your Psychoanalyst in the morning. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 2:14 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Bandwidth Sources. http://www.polyvore.com/cgi/img-thing?.out=jpgsize=ltid=1689537 Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 2:07 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: I also suspect that thee is lying. Please excuse thee to the bathroom where you may put out your pants which may be on fire. Your guardian angel- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 1:55 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Bandwidth Sources. I have never seen Star Trek. On Aug 6, 2010 1:53 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Stop watching Star Trek TNG and do something. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] O... Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 1:41 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Bandwidth Sources. Concrete doesn't stick... -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -... -- -- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Bandwidth Sources.
Actually, CoaxSeal sticks to anythign and everything :) On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 1:47 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Okay, Drywall Compound. That stuff sticks to ANYTHING! Well, except to water. Which in the big scheme of things is pretty lame. Albert- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 1:41 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Bandwidth Sources. Concrete doesn't stick... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 1:36 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: I have zero issues with Time Warner in respect with reselling. I REFUSE to resell in an area where they or DSL are available because if someone in that area wants our service because the issue is they have been SHUTOFF by another service provider for NON-PAYMENT! You fail, sorry, No service. I stick with that policy like concrete. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 5:58 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Bandwidth Sources. FWIW if you are in Charter Cable Territory. you might consider joining FISPA...for their program.. Charter is more than happy to sell (For re-sale or own use) Charter Cable Connections across the Charter Territories. Along with Fiber their new product Ethernet over Coax. (virtual Ethernet connections ). Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom On 8/4/2010 11:54 PM, Robert West wrote: I have at least 4 business class connections as well as the fiber but just make sure you have written permission from their sales department or at least acknowledgement that you are in the business of reselling the access. Any salesperson will give you that, they just want the sale. It gets you around their TOS. But keep in mind that it's not dedicated, it's already shared access so way less customers per MB on it. And your ping times suffer from the get go. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scottie Arnett Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 5:17 PM To: motor...@afmug.com Cc: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Bandwidth Sources. Man, I wish I had a hosting center close. I am trying to get an idea of how many are actually using wholesale bandwidth compared to DSL/CABLE connections. Some cable providers actually let you resale their business class connections. My partner and I were discussing the pro's and con's of using a Cable business class connection. Money wise, it's a no brainer. I can get a 10 meg connection for around $100/mth and I am paying a little over $1000/mth for 6 meg Metro-E at the moment. The problems I see is they will only give you about 5 public IP's and what would happen if they get blacklisted/blocked/etc... and how fast will outages be fixed. I know I have seen posts from many WISPs on afmug and wispa lists that were using DSL/Cable connections for their sources. I thought this survey might give an idea of the ratio that are using them. For the survey, just put Hosting Center in other or group it with the first option. Here are the results so far: 1. Who do you use as a backbone provider? By this, a means of transporting your users data to a medium that eventually connects to the nationwide backbone. A national, regional, or local backbone provider that provides T1(DS1) or NxT1(DS1), DS3 or subset, Metro-E, Fiber, etc.. such as ATT, Qwest, Sprint, etc... That provide you with at least a class C of public addresses or you can use your own. 82.4% 28 Using a competitor's or non-competitor's service such as (business or home) cable, DSL, FTTH connection, that was meant for a single user account, and normally assigns less than 5 public IP's to you...(Ignoring usage policies of your provider). 2.9% 1 Other (please specify) 14.7% 5 1. a local provider AND competitor's or non-competitor's service such as (business or home) cable, DSL, FTTH connection that is meant for multi-residential use. 2. Two separate Hosting Centers 3. Local utility company that aggregates ATT Lightcore, Sprint and UUNET 4. we are our own provider with our own ip range 5. Datacenter that has their own fiber where I get a /23 2. If you are using the second answer or other... cable, ftth, or dsl, or other for backbone you are more than likely providing NAT to all or most of your customers. What are your plans when your public IP's gets banned, blacklisted, and CALEA request, etc...? 1. Contract excludes banned IP's and IP's are forwarded for our management including CALEA 2. The two hosting
Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Bandwidth Sources.
My sales guy almost got fired over selling me fiber. His marketing group (regional) was fighting with the local group. In the end, the regional chief came to visit our NOC. He then ascertained that I was no threat to their target customers and that I can keep the connection. On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 11:54 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: I have at least 4 business class connections as well as the fiber but just make sure you have written permission from their sales department or at least acknowledgement that you are in the business of reselling the access. Any salesperson will give you that, they just want the sale. It gets you around their TOS. But keep in mind that it's not dedicated, it's already shared access so way less customers per MB on it. And your ping times suffer from the get go. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scottie Arnett Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 5:17 PM To: motor...@afmug.com Cc: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Bandwidth Sources. Man, I wish I had a hosting center close. I am trying to get an idea of how many are actually using wholesale bandwidth compared to DSL/CABLE connections. Some cable providers actually let you resale their business class connections. My partner and I were discussing the pro's and con's of using a Cable business class connection. Money wise, it's a no brainer. I can get a 10 meg connection for around $100/mth and I am paying a little over $1000/mth for 6 meg Metro-E at the moment. The problems I see is they will only give you about 5 public IP's and what would happen if they get blacklisted/blocked/etc... and how fast will outages be fixed. I know I have seen posts from many WISPs on afmug and wispa lists that were using DSL/Cable connections for their sources. I thought this survey might give an idea of the ratio that are using them. For the survey, just put Hosting Center in other or group it with the first option. Here are the results so far: 1. Who do you use as a backbone provider? By this, a means of transporting your users data to a medium that eventually connects to the nationwide backbone. A national, regional, or local backbone provider that provides T1(DS1) or NxT1(DS1), DS3 or subset, Metro-E, Fiber, etc.. such as ATT, Qwest, Sprint, etc... That provide you with at least a class C of public addresses or you can use your own. 82.4% 28 Using a competitor's or non-competitor's service such as (business or home) cable, DSL, FTTH connection, that was meant for a single user account, and normally assigns less than 5 public IP's to you...(Ignoring usage policies of your provider). 2.9% 1 Other (please specify) 14.7% 5 1. a local provider AND competitor's or non-competitor's service such as (business or home) cable, DSL, FTTH connection that is meant for multi-residential use. 2. Two separate Hosting Centers 3. Local utility company that aggregates ATT Lightcore, Sprint and UUNET 4. we are our own provider with our own ip range 5. Datacenter that has their own fiber where I get a /23 2. If you are using the second answer or other... cable, ftth, or dsl, or other for backbone you are more than likely providing NAT to all or most of your customers. What are your plans when your public IP's gets banned, blacklisted, and CALEA request, etc...? 1. Contract excludes banned IP's and IP's are forwarded for our management including CALEA 2. The two hosting centers are two different companies and each has 3-10 first tier providers they 'blend' on BGP. We buy at around $12-$20 per Mbps. We have our own ARIN Public IP's, but the providers handle BGP and we just take two redundant GigE ethernets to their routers (we use VRRP for redundancy from there). Thanks for participating guys. Scottie Arnett We have a selection that maybe should be on your list: Hosting Center. We buy bandwidth and rent rooftop space for PTP/PtMP from two separate Hosting companies in two separate valleys. We've tied them into our rings of backhauls for complete redundancy. Hosting Centers are great because they typically host outgoing bandwidth and are sitting on lots of unused incoming bandwidth (which they have on commit CIR). So we buy under their own rate because essentially we are using bandwidth they aren't using and can't sell anyways. And these guys are usually really easy to work with, have awesome facilities for rack space cheap and have plenty of access to public IP space on multiple providers in a blend for redundancy. They just give us a pair of redundant GigE copper hand-offs. -Original Message- From: motor...@afmug.com [mailto:motor...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Scottie Arnett Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 1:03 AM To: motor...@afmug.com Cc: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [Motorola
Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Bandwidth Sources.
We had the flip of that. We purchase IP transit (bandwidth) on GigE from the local operating company of a national cable operator. They were supposed to give us IP space with the circuit but IP allocations are handled by the national group and they refused on the grounds that they don't sell to ISPs. Good thing we have our own IP space. On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 4:40 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: My sales guy almost got fired over selling me fiber. His marketing group (regional) was fighting with the local group. In the end, the regional chief came to visit our NOC. He then ascertained that I was no threat to their target customers and that I can keep the connection. On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 11:54 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: I have at least 4 business class connections as well as the fiber but just make sure you have written permission from their sales department or at least acknowledgement that you are in the business of reselling the access. Any salesperson will give you that, they just want the sale. It gets you around their TOS. But keep in mind that it's not dedicated, it's already shared access so way less customers per MB on it. And your ping times suffer from the get go. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scottie Arnett Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 5:17 PM To: motor...@afmug.com Cc: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Bandwidth Sources. Man, I wish I had a hosting center close. I am trying to get an idea of how many are actually using wholesale bandwidth compared to DSL/CABLE connections. Some cable providers actually let you resale their business class connections. My partner and I were discussing the pro's and con's of using a Cable business class connection. Money wise, it's a no brainer. I can get a 10 meg connection for around $100/mth and I am paying a little over $1000/mth for 6 meg Metro-E at the moment. The problems I see is they will only give you about 5 public IP's and what would happen if they get blacklisted/blocked/etc... and how fast will outages be fixed. I know I have seen posts from many WISPs on afmug and wispa lists that were using DSL/Cable connections for their sources. I thought this survey might give an idea of the ratio that are using them. For the survey, just put Hosting Center in other or group it with the first option. Here are the results so far: 1. Who do you use as a backbone provider? By this, a means of transporting your users data to a medium that eventually connects to the nationwide backbone. A national, regional, or local backbone provider that provides T1(DS1) or NxT1(DS1), DS3 or subset, Metro-E, Fiber, etc.. such as ATT, Qwest, Sprint, etc... That provide you with at least a class C of public addresses or you can use your own. 82.4% 28 Using a competitor's or non-competitor's service such as (business or home) cable, DSL, FTTH connection, that was meant for a single user account, and normally assigns less than 5 public IP's to you...(Ignoring usage policies of your provider). 2.9% 1 Other (please specify) 14.7% 5 1. a local provider AND competitor's or non-competitor's service such as (business or home) cable, DSL, FTTH connection that is meant for multi-residential use. 2. Two separate Hosting Centers 3. Local utility company that aggregates ATT Lightcore, Sprint and UUNET 4. we are our own provider with our own ip range 5. Datacenter that has their own fiber where I get a /23 2. If you are using the second answer or other... cable, ftth, or dsl, or other for backbone you are more than likely providing NAT to all or most of your customers. What are your plans when your public IP's gets banned, blacklisted, and CALEA request, etc...? 1. Contract excludes banned IP's and IP's are forwarded for our management including CALEA 2. The two hosting centers are two different companies and each has 3-10 first tier providers they 'blend' on BGP. We buy at around $12-$20 per Mbps. We have our own ARIN Public IP's, but the providers handle BGP and we just take two redundant GigE ethernets to their routers (we use VRRP for redundancy from there). Thanks for participating guys. Scottie Arnett We have a selection that maybe should be on your list: Hosting Center. We buy bandwidth and rent rooftop space for PTP/PtMP from two separate Hosting companies in two separate valleys. We've tied them into our rings of backhauls for complete redundancy. Hosting Centers are great because they typically host outgoing bandwidth and are sitting on lots of unused incoming bandwidth (which they have on commit CIR). So we buy under their own rate because essentially we are using bandwidth they aren't using and can't sell anyways. And these guys are usually really easy to work with, have
Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Bandwidth Sources.
FWIW if you are in Charter Cable Territory. you might consider joining FISPA...for their program.. Charter is more than happy to sell (For re-sale or own use) Charter Cable Connections across the Charter Territories. Along with Fiber their new product Ethernet over Coax. (virtual Ethernet connections ). Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom On 8/4/2010 11:54 PM, Robert West wrote: I have at least 4 business class connections as well as the fiber but just make sure you have written permission from their sales department or at least acknowledgement that you are in the business of reselling the access. Any salesperson will give you that, they just want the sale. It gets you around their TOS. But keep in mind that it's not dedicated, it's already shared access so way less customers per MB on it. And your ping times suffer from the get go. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scottie Arnett Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 5:17 PM To: motor...@afmug.com Cc: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Bandwidth Sources. Man, I wish I had a hosting center close. I am trying to get an idea of how many are actually using wholesale bandwidth compared to DSL/CABLE connections. Some cable providers actually let you resale their business class connections. My partner and I were discussing the pro's and con's of using a Cable business class connection. Money wise, it's a no brainer. I can get a 10 meg connection for around $100/mth and I am paying a little over $1000/mth for 6 meg Metro-E at the moment. The problems I see is they will only give you about 5 public IP's and what would happen if they get blacklisted/blocked/etc... and how fast will outages be fixed. I know I have seen posts from many WISPs on afmug and wispa lists that were using DSL/Cable connections for their sources. I thought this survey might give an idea of the ratio that are using them. For the survey, just put Hosting Center in other or group it with the first option. Here are the results so far: 1. Who do you use as a backbone provider? By this, a means of transporting your users data to a medium that eventually connects to the nationwide backbone. A national, regional, or local backbone provider that provides T1(DS1) or NxT1(DS1), DS3 or subset, Metro-E, Fiber, etc.. such as ATT, Qwest, Sprint, etc... That provide you with at least a class C of public addresses or you can use your own. 82.4% 28 Using a competitor's or non-competitor's service such as (business or home) cable, DSL, FTTH connection, that was meant for a single user account, and normally assigns less than 5 public IP's to you...(Ignoring usage policies of your provider). 2.9%1 Other (please specify) 14.7% 5 1.a local provider AND competitor's or non-competitor's service such as (business or home) cable, DSL, FTTH connection that is meant for multi-residential use. 2.Two separate Hosting Centers 3.Local utility company that aggregates ATT Lightcore, Sprint and UUNET 4.we are our own provider with our own ip range 5.Datacenter that has their own fiber where I get a /23 2. If you are using the second answer or other... cable, ftth, or dsl, or other for backbone you are more than likely providing NAT to all or most of your customers. What are your plans when your public IP's gets banned, blacklisted, and CALEA request, etc...? 1.Contract excludes banned IP's and IP's are forwarded for our management including CALEA 2.The two hosting centers are two different companies and each has 3-10 first tier providers they 'blend' on BGP. We buy at around $12-$20 per Mbps. We have our own ARIN Public IP's, but the providers handle BGP and we just take two redundant GigE ethernets to their routers (we use VRRP for redundancy from there). Thanks for participating guys. Scottie Arnett We have a selection that maybe should be on your list: Hosting Center. We buy bandwidth and rent rooftop space for PTP/PtMP from two separate Hosting companies in two separate valleys. We've tied them into our rings of backhauls for complete redundancy. Hosting Centers are great because they typically host outgoing bandwidth and are sitting on lots of unused incoming bandwidth (which they have on commit CIR). So we buy under their own rate because essentially we are using bandwidth they aren't using and can't sell anyways. And these guys are usually really easy to work with, have awesome facilities for rack space cheap and have plenty of access to public IP space on multiple providers in a blend for redundancy. They just give us a pair of redundant GigE copper hand-offs. -Original Message- From: motor...@afmug.com [mailto:motor...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Scottie Arnett Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 1:03 AM To: motor
Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Bandwidth Sources.
How can I find out more about the Charter program? Forbes On 8/5/2010 2:58 PM, Faisal Imtiaz wrote: FWIW if you are in Charter Cable Territory. you might consider joining FISPA...for their program.. Charter is more than happy to sell (For re-sale or own use) Charter Cable Connections across the Charter Territories. Along with Fiber their new product Ethernet over Coax. (virtual Ethernet connections ). Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom On 8/4/2010 11:54 PM, Robert West wrote: I have at least 4 business class connections as well as the fiber but just make sure you have written permission from their sales department or at least acknowledgement that you are in the business of reselling the access. Any salesperson will give you that, they just want the sale. It gets you around their TOS. But keep in mind that it's not dedicated, it's already shared access so way less customers per MB on it. And your ping times suffer from the get go. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scottie Arnett Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 5:17 PM To: motor...@afmug.com Cc: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Bandwidth Sources. Man, I wish I had a hosting center close. I am trying to get an idea of how many are actually using wholesale bandwidth compared to DSL/CABLE connections. Some cable providers actually let you resale their business class connections. My partner and I were discussing the pro's and con's of using a Cable business class connection. Money wise, it's a no brainer. I can get a 10 meg connection for around $100/mth and I am paying a little over $1000/mth for 6 meg Metro-E at the moment. The problems I see is they will only give you about 5 public IP's and what would happen if they get blacklisted/blocked/etc... and how fast will outages be fixed. I know I have seen posts from many WISPs on afmug and wispa lists that were using DSL/Cable connections for their sources. I thought this survey might give an idea of the ratio that are using them. For the survey, just put Hosting Center in other or group it with the first option. Here are the results so far: 1. Who do you use as a backbone provider? By this, a means of transporting your users data to a medium that eventually connects to the nationwide backbone. A national, regional, or local backbone provider that provides T1(DS1) or NxT1(DS1), DS3 or subset, Metro-E, Fiber, etc.. such as ATT, Qwest, Sprint, etc... That provide you with at least a class C of public addresses or you can use your own. 82.4% 28 Using a competitor's or non-competitor's service such as (business or home) cable, DSL, FTTH connection, that was meant for a single user account, and normally assigns less than 5 public IP's to you...(Ignoring usage policies of your provider). 2.9%1 Other (please specify) 14.7% 5 1. a local provider AND competitor's or non-competitor's service such as (business or home) cable, DSL, FTTH connection that is meant for multi-residential use. 2. Two separate Hosting Centers 3. Local utility company that aggregates ATT Lightcore, Sprint and UUNET 4. we are our own provider with our own ip range 5. Datacenter that has their own fiber where I get a /23 2. If you are using the second answer or other... cable, ftth, or dsl, or other for backbone you are more than likely providing NAT to all or most of your customers. What are your plans when your public IP's gets banned, blacklisted, and CALEA request, etc...? 1. Contract excludes banned IP's and IP's are forwarded for our management including CALEA 2. The two hosting centers are two different companies and each has 3-10 first tier providers they 'blend' on BGP. We buy at around $12-$20 per Mbps. We have our own ARIN Public IP's, but the providers handle BGP and we just take two redundant GigE ethernets to their routers (we use VRRP for redundancy from there). Thanks for participating guys. Scottie Arnett We have a selection that maybe should be on your list: Hosting Center. We buy bandwidth and rent rooftop space for PTP/PtMP from two separate Hosting companies in two separate valleys. We've tied them into our rings of backhauls for complete redundancy. Hosting Centers are great because they typically host outgoing bandwidth and are sitting on lots of unused incoming bandwidth (which they have on commit CIR). So we buy under their own rate because essentially we are using bandwidth they aren't using and can't sell anyways. And these guys are usually really easy to work with, have awesome facilities for rack space cheap and have plenty of access to public IP space on multiple providers in a blend for redundancy. They just give us a pair of redundant GigE copper hand-offs. -Original Message- From: motor...@afmug.com
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I have zero issues with Time Warner in respect with reselling. I REFUSE to resell in an area where they or DSL are available because if someone in that area wants our service because the issue is they have been SHUTOFF by another service provider for NON-PAYMENT! You fail, sorry, No service. I stick with that policy like concrete. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 5:58 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Bandwidth Sources. FWIW if you are in Charter Cable Territory. you might consider joining FISPA...for their program.. Charter is more than happy to sell (For re-sale or own use) Charter Cable Connections across the Charter Territories. Along with Fiber their new product Ethernet over Coax. (virtual Ethernet connections ). Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom On 8/4/2010 11:54 PM, Robert West wrote: I have at least 4 business class connections as well as the fiber but just make sure you have written permission from their sales department or at least acknowledgement that you are in the business of reselling the access. Any salesperson will give you that, they just want the sale. It gets you around their TOS. But keep in mind that it's not dedicated, it's already shared access so way less customers per MB on it. And your ping times suffer from the get go. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scottie Arnett Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 5:17 PM To: motor...@afmug.com Cc: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Bandwidth Sources. Man, I wish I had a hosting center close. I am trying to get an idea of how many are actually using wholesale bandwidth compared to DSL/CABLE connections. Some cable providers actually let you resale their business class connections. My partner and I were discussing the pro's and con's of using a Cable business class connection. Money wise, it's a no brainer. I can get a 10 meg connection for around $100/mth and I am paying a little over $1000/mth for 6 meg Metro-E at the moment. The problems I see is they will only give you about 5 public IP's and what would happen if they get blacklisted/blocked/etc... and how fast will outages be fixed. I know I have seen posts from many WISPs on afmug and wispa lists that were using DSL/Cable connections for their sources. I thought this survey might give an idea of the ratio that are using them. For the survey, just put Hosting Center in other or group it with the first option. Here are the results so far: 1. Who do you use as a backbone provider? By this, a means of transporting your users data to a medium that eventually connects to the nationwide backbone. A national, regional, or local backbone provider that provides T1(DS1) or NxT1(DS1), DS3 or subset, Metro-E, Fiber, etc.. such as ATT, Qwest, Sprint, etc... That provide you with at least a class C of public addresses or you can use your own. 82.4% 28 Using a competitor's or non-competitor's service such as (business or home) cable, DSL, FTTH connection, that was meant for a single user account, and normally assigns less than 5 public IP's to you...(Ignoring usage policies of your provider). 2.9%1 Other (please specify) 14.7% 5 1.a local provider AND competitor's or non-competitor's service such as (business or home) cable, DSL, FTTH connection that is meant for multi-residential use. 2.Two separate Hosting Centers 3.Local utility company that aggregates ATT Lightcore, Sprint and UUNET 4.we are our own provider with our own ip range 5.Datacenter that has their own fiber where I get a /23 2. If you are using the second answer or other... cable, ftth, or dsl, or other for backbone you are more than likely providing NAT to all or most of your customers. What are your plans when your public IP's gets banned, blacklisted, and CALEA request, etc...? 1.Contract excludes banned IP's and IP's are forwarded for our management including CALEA 2.The two hosting centers are two different companies and each has 3-10 first tier providers they 'blend' on BGP. We buy at around $12-$20 per Mbps. We have our own ARIN Public IP's, but the providers handle BGP and we just take two redundant GigE ethernets to their routers (we use VRRP for redundancy from there). Thanks for participating guys. Scottie Arnett We have a selection that maybe should be on your list: Hosting Center. We buy bandwidth and rent rooftop space for PTP/PtMP from two separate Hosting companies in two separate valleys. We've tied them into our rings of backhauls for complete redundancy. Hosting Centers are great because they typically host outgoing bandwidth and are sitting on lots
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Concrete doesn't stick... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 1:36 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: I have zero issues with Time Warner in respect with reselling. I REFUSE to resell in an area where they or DSL are available because if someone in that area wants our service because the issue is they have been SHUTOFF by another service provider for NON-PAYMENT! You fail, sorry, No service. I stick with that policy like concrete. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 5:58 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Bandwidth Sources. FWIW if you are in Charter Cable Territory. you might consider joining FISPA...for their program.. Charter is more than happy to sell (For re-sale or own use) Charter Cable Connections across the Charter Territories. Along with Fiber their new product Ethernet over Coax. (virtual Ethernet connections ). Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom On 8/4/2010 11:54 PM, Robert West wrote: I have at least 4 business class connections as well as the fiber but just make sure you have written permission from their sales department or at least acknowledgement that you are in the business of reselling the access. Any salesperson will give you that, they just want the sale. It gets you around their TOS. But keep in mind that it's not dedicated, it's already shared access so way less customers per MB on it. And your ping times suffer from the get go. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scottie Arnett Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 5:17 PM To: motor...@afmug.com Cc: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Bandwidth Sources. Man, I wish I had a hosting center close. I am trying to get an idea of how many are actually using wholesale bandwidth compared to DSL/CABLE connections. Some cable providers actually let you resale their business class connections. My partner and I were discussing the pro's and con's of using a Cable business class connection. Money wise, it's a no brainer. I can get a 10 meg connection for around $100/mth and I am paying a little over $1000/mth for 6 meg Metro-E at the moment. The problems I see is they will only give you about 5 public IP's and what would happen if they get blacklisted/blocked/etc... and how fast will outages be fixed. I know I have seen posts from many WISPs on afmug and wispa lists that were using DSL/Cable connections for their sources. I thought this survey might give an idea of the ratio that are using them. For the survey, just put Hosting Center in other or group it with the first option. Here are the results so far: 1. Who do you use as a backbone provider? By this, a means of transporting your users data to a medium that eventually connects to the nationwide backbone. A national, regional, or local backbone provider that provides T1(DS1) or NxT1(DS1), DS3 or subset, Metro-E, Fiber, etc.. such as ATT, Qwest, Sprint, etc... That provide you with at least a class C of public addresses or you can use your own. 82.4% 28 Using a competitor's or non-competitor's service such as (business or home) cable, DSL, FTTH connection, that was meant for a single user account, and normally assigns less than 5 public IP's to you...(Ignoring usage policies of your provider). 2.9% 1 Other (please specify) 14.7% 5 1. a local provider AND competitor's or non-competitor's service such as (business or home) cable, DSL, FTTH connection that is meant for multi-residential use. 2. Two separate Hosting Centers 3. Local utility company that aggregates ATT Lightcore, Sprint and UUNET 4. we are our own provider with our own ip range 5. Datacenter that has their own fiber where I get a /23 2. If you are using the second answer or other... cable, ftth, or dsl, or other for backbone you are more than likely providing NAT to all or most of your customers. What are your plans when your public IP's gets banned, blacklisted, and CALEA request, etc...? 1. Contract excludes banned IP's and IP's are forwarded for our management including CALEA 2. The two hosting centers are two different companies and each has 3-10 first tier providers they 'blend' on BGP. We buy at around $12-$20 per Mbps. We have our own ARIN Public IP's, but the providers handle BGP and we just take two redundant GigE ethernets to their routers (we use VRRP for redundancy from there). Thanks for participating guys. Scottie Arnett We have a selection that maybe should be on your list: Hosting Center. We buy bandwidth and rent rooftop space for PTP/PtMP from two separate Hosting companies in two
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Okay, Drywall Compound. That stuff sticks to ANYTHING! Well, except to water. Which in the big scheme of things is pretty lame. Albert- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 1:41 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Bandwidth Sources. Concrete doesn't stick... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 1:36 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: I have zero issues with Time Warner in respect with reselling. I REFUSE to resell in an area where they or DSL are available because if someone in that area wants our service because the issue is they have been SHUTOFF by another service provider for NON-PAYMENT! You fail, sorry, No service. I stick with that policy like concrete. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 5:58 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Bandwidth Sources. FWIW if you are in Charter Cable Territory. you might consider joining FISPA...for their program.. Charter is more than happy to sell (For re-sale or own use) Charter Cable Connections across the Charter Territories. Along with Fiber their new product Ethernet over Coax. (virtual Ethernet connections ). Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom On 8/4/2010 11:54 PM, Robert West wrote: I have at least 4 business class connections as well as the fiber but just make sure you have written permission from their sales department or at least acknowledgement that you are in the business of reselling the access. Any salesperson will give you that, they just want the sale. It gets you around their TOS. But keep in mind that it's not dedicated, it's already shared access so way less customers per MB on it. And your ping times suffer from the get go. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scottie Arnett Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 5:17 PM To: motor...@afmug.com Cc: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Bandwidth Sources. Man, I wish I had a hosting center close. I am trying to get an idea of how many are actually using wholesale bandwidth compared to DSL/CABLE connections. Some cable providers actually let you resale their business class connections. My partner and I were discussing the pro's and con's of using a Cable business class connection. Money wise, it's a no brainer. I can get a 10 meg connection for around $100/mth and I am paying a little over $1000/mth for 6 meg Metro-E at the moment. The problems I see is they will only give you about 5 public IP's and what would happen if they get blacklisted/blocked/etc... and how fast will outages be fixed. I know I have seen posts from many WISPs on afmug and wispa lists that were using DSL/Cable connections for their sources. I thought this survey might give an idea of the ratio that are using them. For the survey, just put Hosting Center in other or group it with the first option. Here are the results so far: 1. Who do you use as a backbone provider? By this, a means of transporting your users data to a medium that eventually connects to the nationwide backbone. A national, regional, or local backbone provider that provides T1(DS1) or NxT1(DS1), DS3 or subset, Metro-E, Fiber, etc.. such as ATT, Qwest, Sprint, etc... That provide you with at least a class C of public addresses or you can use your own. 82.4% 28 Using a competitor's or non-competitor's service such as (business or home) cable, DSL, FTTH connection, that was meant for a single user account, and normally assigns less than 5 public IP's to you...(Ignoring usage policies of your provider). 2.9% 1 Other (please specify) 14.7% 5 1. a local provider AND competitor's or non-competitor's service such as (business or home) cable, DSL, FTTH connection that is meant for multi-residential use. 2. Two separate Hosting Centers 3. Local utility company that aggregates ATT Lightcore, Sprint and UUNET 4. we are our own provider with our own ip range 5. Datacenter that has their own fiber where I get a /23 2. If you are using the second answer or other... cable, ftth, or dsl, or other for backbone you are more than likely providing NAT to all or most of your customers. What are your plans when your public IP's gets banned, blacklisted, and CALEA request, etc...? 1. Contract excludes banned IP's and IP's are forwarded for our management including CALEA 2. The two hosting centers are two different companies and each has 3-10 first tier providers they 'blend' on BGP. We buy
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Stop watching Star Trek TNG and do something. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 1:41 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Bandwidth Sources. Concrete doesn't stick... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 1:36 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: I have zero issues with Time Warner in respect with reselling. I REFUSE to resell in an area where they or DSL are available because if someone in that area wants our service because the issue is they have been SHUTOFF by another service provider for NON-PAYMENT! You fail, sorry, No service. I stick with that policy like concrete. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Faisal Imtiaz Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2010 5:58 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Bandwidth Sources. FWIW if you are in Charter Cable Territory. you might consider joining FISPA...for their program.. Charter is more than happy to sell (For re-sale or own use) Charter Cable Connections across the Charter Territories. Along with Fiber their new product Ethernet over Coax. (virtual Ethernet connections ). Faisal Imtiaz Snappy Internet Telecom On 8/4/2010 11:54 PM, Robert West wrote: I have at least 4 business class connections as well as the fiber but just make sure you have written permission from their sales department or at least acknowledgement that you are in the business of reselling the access. Any salesperson will give you that, they just want the sale. It gets you around their TOS. But keep in mind that it's not dedicated, it's already shared access so way less customers per MB on it. And your ping times suffer from the get go. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scottie Arnett Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 5:17 PM To: motor...@afmug.com Cc: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Bandwidth Sources. Man, I wish I had a hosting center close. I am trying to get an idea of how many are actually using wholesale bandwidth compared to DSL/CABLE connections. Some cable providers actually let you resale their business class connections. My partner and I were discussing the pro's and con's of using a Cable business class connection. Money wise, it's a no brainer. I can get a 10 meg connection for around $100/mth and I am paying a little over $1000/mth for 6 meg Metro-E at the moment. The problems I see is they will only give you about 5 public IP's and what would happen if they get blacklisted/blocked/etc... and how fast will outages be fixed. I know I have seen posts from many WISPs on afmug and wispa lists that were using DSL/Cable connections for their sources. I thought this survey might give an idea of the ratio that are using them. For the survey, just put Hosting Center in other or group it with the first option. Here are the results so far: 1. Who do you use as a backbone provider? By this, a means of transporting your users data to a medium that eventually connects to the nationwide backbone. A national, regional, or local backbone provider that provides T1(DS1) or NxT1(DS1), DS3 or subset, Metro-E, Fiber, etc.. such as ATT, Qwest, Sprint, etc... That provide you with at least a class C of public addresses or you can use your own. 82.4% 28 Using a competitor's or non-competitor's service such as (business or home) cable, DSL, FTTH connection, that was meant for a single user account, and normally assigns less than 5 public IP's to you...(Ignoring usage policies of your provider). 2.9% 1 Other (please specify) 14.7% 5 1. a local provider AND competitor's or non-competitor's service such as (business or home) cable, DSL, FTTH connection that is meant for multi-residential use. 2. Two separate Hosting Centers 3. Local utility company that aggregates ATT Lightcore, Sprint and UUNET 4. we are our own provider with our own ip range 5. Datacenter that has their own fiber where I get a /23 2. If you are using the second answer or other... cable, ftth, or dsl, or other for backbone you are more than likely providing NAT to all or most of your customers. What are your plans when your public IP's gets banned, blacklisted, and CALEA request, etc...? 1. Contract excludes banned IP's and IP's are forwarded for our management including CALEA 2. The two hosting centers are two different companies and each has 3-10 first tier providers they 'blend' on BGP. We buy at around $12-$20 per Mbps. We have our own ARIN Public IP's, but the providers handle BGP
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I have never seen Star Trek. On Aug 6, 2010 1:53 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: Stop watching Star Trek TNG and do something. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] O... Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Friday, August 06, 2010 1:41 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Bandwidth Sources. Concrete doesn't stick... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ -... WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Man, I wish I had a hosting center close. I am trying to get an idea of how many are actually using wholesale bandwidth compared to DSL/CABLE connections. Some cable providers actually let you resale their business class connections. My partner and I were discussing the pro's and con's of using a Cable business class connection. Money wise, it's a no brainer. I can get a 10 meg connection for around $100/mth and I am paying a little over $1000/mth for 6 meg Metro-E at the moment. The problems I see is they will only give you about 5 public IP's and what would happen if they get blacklisted/blocked/etc... and how fast will outages be fixed. I know I have seen posts from many WISPs on afmug and wispa lists that were using DSL/Cable connections for their sources. I thought this survey might give an idea of the ratio that are using them. For the survey, just put Hosting Center in other or group it with the first option. Here are the results so far: 1. Who do you use as a backbone provider? By this, a means of transporting your users data to a medium that eventually connects to the nationwide backbone. A national, regional, or local backbone provider that provides T1(DS1) or NxT1(DS1), DS3 or subset, Metro-E, Fiber, etc.. such as ATT, Qwest, Sprint, etc... That provide you with at least a class C of public addresses or you can use your own. 82.4% 28 Using a competitor's or non-competitor's service such as (business or home) cable, DSL, FTTH connection, that was meant for a single user account, and normally assigns less than 5 public IP's to you...(Ignoring usage policies of your provider). 2.9%1 Other (please specify) 14.7% 5 1. a local provider AND competitor's or non-competitor's service such as (business or home) cable, DSL, FTTH connection that is meant for multi-residential use. 2. Two separate Hosting Centers 3. Local utility company that aggregates ATT Lightcore, Sprint and UUNET 4. we are our own provider with our own ip range 5. Datacenter that has their own fiber where I get a /23 2. If you are using the second answer or other... cable, ftth, or dsl, or other for backbone you are more than likely providing NAT to all or most of your customers. What are your plans when your public IP's gets banned, blacklisted, and CALEA request, etc...? 1. Contract excludes banned IP's and IP's are forwarded for our management including CALEA 2. The two hosting centers are two different companies and each has 3-10 first tier providers they 'blend' on BGP. We buy at around $12-$20 per Mbps. We have our own ARIN Public IP's, but the providers handle BGP and we just take two redundant GigE ethernets to their routers (we use VRRP for redundancy from there). Thanks for participating guys. Scottie Arnett We have a selection that maybe should be on your list: Hosting Center. We buy bandwidth and rent rooftop space for PTP/PtMP from two separate Hosting companies in two separate valleys. We've tied them into our rings of backhauls for complete redundancy. Hosting Centers are great because they typically host outgoing bandwidth and are sitting on lots of unused incoming bandwidth (which they have on commit CIR). So we buy under their own rate because essentially we are using bandwidth they aren't using and can't sell anyways. And these guys are usually really easy to work with, have awesome facilities for rack space cheap and have plenty of access to public IP space on multiple providers in a blend for redundancy. They just give us a pair of redundant GigE copper hand-offs. -Original Message- From: motor...@afmug.com [mailto:motor...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Scottie Arnett Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 1:03 AM To: motor...@afmug.com Cc: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [Motorola II] Bandwidth Sources. I have made a quick survey on surveymonkey that collects data about your bandwidth sources. I will post the data collected in a week. It basically addresses if your primary connection to the Internet backbone is through a wholesale provider or if you are using a connection such as business or cable class DSL or cable for connection. All responses appreciated. http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/PPWSC6J - Official list of the Animal Farm Motorola Users Group - www.afmug.com - Official list of the Animal Farm Motorola Users Group - www.afmug.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Bandwidth Sources.
I have at least 4 business class connections as well as the fiber but just make sure you have written permission from their sales department or at least acknowledgement that you are in the business of reselling the access. Any salesperson will give you that, they just want the sale. It gets you around their TOS. But keep in mind that it's not dedicated, it's already shared access so way less customers per MB on it. And your ping times suffer from the get go. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Scottie Arnett Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 5:17 PM To: motor...@afmug.com Cc: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Motorola II] Bandwidth Sources. Man, I wish I had a hosting center close. I am trying to get an idea of how many are actually using wholesale bandwidth compared to DSL/CABLE connections. Some cable providers actually let you resale their business class connections. My partner and I were discussing the pro's and con's of using a Cable business class connection. Money wise, it's a no brainer. I can get a 10 meg connection for around $100/mth and I am paying a little over $1000/mth for 6 meg Metro-E at the moment. The problems I see is they will only give you about 5 public IP's and what would happen if they get blacklisted/blocked/etc... and how fast will outages be fixed. I know I have seen posts from many WISPs on afmug and wispa lists that were using DSL/Cable connections for their sources. I thought this survey might give an idea of the ratio that are using them. For the survey, just put Hosting Center in other or group it with the first option. Here are the results so far: 1. Who do you use as a backbone provider? By this, a means of transporting your users data to a medium that eventually connects to the nationwide backbone. A national, regional, or local backbone provider that provides T1(DS1) or NxT1(DS1), DS3 or subset, Metro-E, Fiber, etc.. such as ATT, Qwest, Sprint, etc... That provide you with at least a class C of public addresses or you can use your own. 82.4% 28 Using a competitor's or non-competitor's service such as (business or home) cable, DSL, FTTH connection, that was meant for a single user account, and normally assigns less than 5 public IP's to you...(Ignoring usage policies of your provider). 2.9%1 Other (please specify) 14.7% 5 1. a local provider AND competitor's or non-competitor's service such as (business or home) cable, DSL, FTTH connection that is meant for multi-residential use. 2. Two separate Hosting Centers 3. Local utility company that aggregates ATT Lightcore, Sprint and UUNET 4. we are our own provider with our own ip range 5. Datacenter that has their own fiber where I get a /23 2. If you are using the second answer or other... cable, ftth, or dsl, or other for backbone you are more than likely providing NAT to all or most of your customers. What are your plans when your public IP's gets banned, blacklisted, and CALEA request, etc...? 1. Contract excludes banned IP's and IP's are forwarded for our management including CALEA 2. The two hosting centers are two different companies and each has 3-10 first tier providers they 'blend' on BGP. We buy at around $12-$20 per Mbps. We have our own ARIN Public IP's, but the providers handle BGP and we just take two redundant GigE ethernets to their routers (we use VRRP for redundancy from there). Thanks for participating guys. Scottie Arnett We have a selection that maybe should be on your list: Hosting Center. We buy bandwidth and rent rooftop space for PTP/PtMP from two separate Hosting companies in two separate valleys. We've tied them into our rings of backhauls for complete redundancy. Hosting Centers are great because they typically host outgoing bandwidth and are sitting on lots of unused incoming bandwidth (which they have on commit CIR). So we buy under their own rate because essentially we are using bandwidth they aren't using and can't sell anyways. And these guys are usually really easy to work with, have awesome facilities for rack space cheap and have plenty of access to public IP space on multiple providers in a blend for redundancy. They just give us a pair of redundant GigE copper hand-offs. -Original Message- From: motor...@afmug.com [mailto:motor...@afmug.com] On Behalf Of Scottie Arnett Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 1:03 AM To: motor...@afmug.com Cc: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [Motorola II] Bandwidth Sources. I have made a quick survey on surveymonkey that collects data about your bandwidth sources. I will post the data collected in a week. It basically addresses if your primary connection to the Internet backbone is through a wholesale provider or if you are using a connection such as business or cable class DSL or cable for connection. All responses appreciated. http
