Re: [WISPA] Femtocells
Polycom's new HD voice uses one of the G.722's. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 10:03 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Femtocells Pretty sure G.722 is obsolete and has been rolled into G.726 Most GSM systems use a variant of CELP, ACELP I think. G.729 I think. All of the CELP methods suck when compared to G.711/22/26 PCM/ADPCM methods. - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 8:53 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Femtocells I know. ATT and T-Mobile use GSM (the GSM for wireless is the same as the GSM VoIP codec). I dunno if the CDMA operators translate to anything in the VoIP world or not. I've tested with various codecs and I may use G.729 at some point, but for now I'm limiting myself to G.711 and G.722 once I get some business customers interested in it. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Bryan Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 8:58 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Femtocells The cell carriers aren't using G711. I haven't seen how much a UMA call takes up, but I'd bet it's less than the 90K of G.711u. UMA basically encapsulates a GSM stream inside of an IPSEC tunnel. EDGE traffic gets up to 100K+ when surfing or downloading files, so I could see a data stream over UMA going up to 150-200K. If you're talking EVDO data transfers via a femtocell, it could get up to a couple megabits (whatever they're touting EVDO's capability as, plus some overhead for security). -- Bryan Mike Hammett wrote: I dunno if I'd use anything less than G.711. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown - 2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 11:08 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Femtocells G.711 require 64kbps plus overhead. Normally about 90 kbps. But there are lossless compression methods that can cut this in about half. - Original Message - From: Marty Dougherty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 8:24 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Femtocells Does anyone know how much BW a call will require? Marty -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 5:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Femtocells Hmm I see better opportunity going to the Cellco directly and offer them the service, so that they do a bundle to the end user... Internet - Femtocell And you make and arrangement with the cellco to deliver the traffic directly to them instead of going to the internet...Saving them some $$ On Internet Bandwidth and also providing a lower latency link to them!!! ... maybe this is the next step beyond voip... Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 6:30 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Femtocells femtocells This is a great innovation that can help wisps gain market share. With these femtocells, the cell phone works in the house so the consumer doesn't need to have an extra land line. The customer is probably paying 80.00 or so for their dsl - telephone line. No land line needed for us wisps, the customer's 80.00 telco package is now in play. Maybe they want to trade it in for a faster and probably lesser expensive internet connection. It's a good opportunity for us, or the cable company. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/wireless_show_femtocells;_ylt=ArOpXSwLh8fh4Jp nL.VHQpsjtBAF Verizon Wireless is joining Sprint Nextel Corp. in jumping on the latest craze in the wireless world: little boxes called femtocells that boost cell-phone coverage in subscribers' homes. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless
Re: [WISPA] Femtocells
VoIP faxing currently sucks. G.711 technically can do it, but if there is ANY network oddities, it won't work. T.38 is supposed to be the savior, but it's been hell getting my providers to work. Their vendors use broken implementations and refuse to fix it. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: CHUCK PROFITO [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 3:12 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Femtocells John, please explain *can* or what is best for faxing? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Thomas Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 12:59 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Femtocells G.711 *can* support FAXing, otherwise g.729 is very common for voice. John Mike Hammett wrote: I know. ATT and T-Mobile use GSM (the GSM for wireless is the same as the GSM VoIP codec). I dunno if the CDMA operators translate to anything in the VoIP world or not. I've tested with various codecs and I may use G.729 at some point, but for now I'm limiting myself to G.711 and G.722 once I get some business customers interested in it. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Bryan Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 8:58 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Femtocells The cell carriers aren't using G711. I haven't seen how much a UMA call takes up, but I'd bet it's less than the 90K of G.711u. UMA basically encapsulates a GSM stream inside of an IPSEC tunnel. EDGE traffic gets up to 100K+ when surfing or downloading files, so I could see a data stream over UMA going up to 150-200K. If you're talking EVDO data transfers via a femtocell, it could get up to a couple megabits (whatever they're touting EVDO's capability as, plus some overhead for security). -- Bryan Mike Hammett wrote: I dunno if I'd use anything less than G.711. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown - 2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 11:08 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Femtocells G.711 require 64kbps plus overhead. Normally about 90 kbps. But there are lossless compression methods that can cut this in about half. - Original Message - From: Marty Dougherty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 8:24 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Femtocells Does anyone know how much BW a call will require? Marty -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 5:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Femtocells Hmm I see better opportunity going to the Cellco directly and offer them the service, so that they do a bundle to the end user... Internet - Femtocell And you make and arrangement with the cellco to deliver the traffic directly to them instead of going to the internet...Saving them some $$ On Internet Bandwidth and also providing a lower latency link to them!!! ... maybe this is the next step beyond voip... Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 6:30 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Femtocells femtocells This is a great innovation that can help wisps gain market share. With these femtocells, the cell phone works in the house so the consumer doesn't need to have an extra land line. The customer is probably paying 80.00 or so for their dsl - telephone line. No land line needed for us wisps, the customer's 80.00 telco package is now in play. Maybe they want to trade it in for a faster and probably lesser expensive internet connection. It's a good opportunity for us, or the cable company. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/wireless_show_femtocells;_ylt=ArOpXSwLh8fh4Jp nL.VHQpsjtBAF Verizon Wireless is joining Sprint Nextel Corp. in jumping on the latest craze in the wireless world: little boxes called femtocells that boost cell-phone coverage in subscribers' homes. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Femtocells
If you look up the spec for G.726 you will find it supercedes the 722. That said, the 722 is the only ADPCM g code I would use. 726 has other things that I would not use. - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 5:18 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Femtocells Polycom's new HD voice uses one of the G.722's. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 10:03 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Femtocells Pretty sure G.722 is obsolete and has been rolled into G.726 Most GSM systems use a variant of CELP, ACELP I think. G.729 I think. All of the CELP methods suck when compared to G.711/22/26 PCM/ADPCM methods. - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 8:53 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Femtocells I know. ATT and T-Mobile use GSM (the GSM for wireless is the same as the GSM VoIP codec). I dunno if the CDMA operators translate to anything in the VoIP world or not. I've tested with various codecs and I may use G.729 at some point, but for now I'm limiting myself to G.711 and G.722 once I get some business customers interested in it. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Bryan Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 8:58 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Femtocells The cell carriers aren't using G711. I haven't seen how much a UMA call takes up, but I'd bet it's less than the 90K of G.711u. UMA basically encapsulates a GSM stream inside of an IPSEC tunnel. EDGE traffic gets up to 100K+ when surfing or downloading files, so I could see a data stream over UMA going up to 150-200K. If you're talking EVDO data transfers via a femtocell, it could get up to a couple megabits (whatever they're touting EVDO's capability as, plus some overhead for security). -- Bryan Mike Hammett wrote: I dunno if I'd use anything less than G.711. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown - 2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 11:08 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Femtocells G.711 require 64kbps plus overhead. Normally about 90 kbps. But there are lossless compression methods that can cut this in about half. - Original Message - From: Marty Dougherty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 8:24 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Femtocells Does anyone know how much BW a call will require? Marty -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 5:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Femtocells Hmm I see better opportunity going to the Cellco directly and offer them the service, so that they do a bundle to the end user... Internet - Femtocell And you make and arrangement with the cellco to deliver the traffic directly to them instead of going to the internet...Saving them some $$ On Internet Bandwidth and also providing a lower latency link to them!!! ... maybe this is the next step beyond voip... Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 6:30 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Femtocells femtocells This is a great innovation that can help wisps gain market share. With these femtocells, the cell phone works in the house so the consumer doesn't need to have an extra land line. The customer is probably paying 80.00 or so for their dsl - telephone line. No land line needed for us wisps, the customer's 80.00 telco package is now in play. Maybe they want to trade it in for a faster and probably lesser expensive internet connection. It's a good opportunity for us, or the cable company. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/wireless_show_femtocells;_ylt=ArOpXSwLh8fh4Jp nL.VHQpsjtBAF Verizon Wireless is joining Sprint Nextel Corp. in jumping on the latest craze in the wireless world: little boxes called femtocells that boost cell-phone coverage in subscribers' homes. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe
Re: [WISPA] Femtocells
I dunno if I'd use anything less than G.711. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown - 2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 11:08 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Femtocells G.711 require 64kbps plus overhead. Normally about 90 kbps. But there are lossless compression methods that can cut this in about half. - Original Message - From: Marty Dougherty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 8:24 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Femtocells Does anyone know how much BW a call will require? Marty -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 5:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Femtocells Hmm I see better opportunity going to the Cellco directly and offer them the service, so that they do a bundle to the end user... Internet - Femtocell And you make and arrangement with the cellco to deliver the traffic directly to them instead of going to the internet...Saving them some $$ On Internet Bandwidth and also providing a lower latency link to them!!! ... maybe this is the next step beyond voip... Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 6:30 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Femtocells femtocells This is a great innovation that can help wisps gain market share. With these femtocells, the cell phone works in the house so the consumer doesn't need to have an extra land line. The customer is probably paying 80.00 or so for their dsl - telephone line. No land line needed for us wisps, the customer's 80.00 telco package is now in play. Maybe they want to trade it in for a faster and probably lesser expensive internet connection. It's a good opportunity for us, or the cable company. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/wireless_show_femtocells;_ylt=ArOpXSwLh8fh4Jp nL.VHQpsjtBAF Verizon Wireless is joining Sprint Nextel Corp. in jumping on the latest craze in the wireless world: little boxes called femtocells that boost cell-phone coverage in subscribers' homes. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Femtocells
The cell carriers aren't using G711. I haven't seen how much a UMA call takes up, but I'd bet it's less than the 90K of G.711u. UMA basically encapsulates a GSM stream inside of an IPSEC tunnel. EDGE traffic gets up to 100K+ when surfing or downloading files, so I could see a data stream over UMA going up to 150-200K. If you're talking EVDO data transfers via a femtocell, it could get up to a couple megabits (whatever they're touting EVDO's capability as, plus some overhead for security). -- Bryan Mike Hammett wrote: I dunno if I'd use anything less than G.711. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown - 2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 11:08 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Femtocells G.711 require 64kbps plus overhead. Normally about 90 kbps. But there are lossless compression methods that can cut this in about half. - Original Message - From: Marty Dougherty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 8:24 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Femtocells Does anyone know how much BW a call will require? Marty -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 5:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Femtocells Hmm I see better opportunity going to the Cellco directly and offer them the service, so that they do a bundle to the end user... Internet - Femtocell And you make and arrangement with the cellco to deliver the traffic directly to them instead of going to the internet...Saving them some $$ On Internet Bandwidth and also providing a lower latency link to them!!! ... maybe this is the next step beyond voip... Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 6:30 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Femtocells femtocells This is a great innovation that can help wisps gain market share. With these femtocells, the cell phone works in the house so the consumer doesn't need to have an extra land line. The customer is probably paying 80.00 or so for their dsl - telephone line. No land line needed for us wisps, the customer's 80.00 telco package is now in play. Maybe they want to trade it in for a faster and probably lesser expensive internet connection. It's a good opportunity for us, or the cable company. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/wireless_show_femtocells;_ylt=ArOpXSwLh8fh4Jp nL.VHQpsjtBAF Verizon Wireless is joining Sprint Nextel Corp. in jumping on the latest craze in the wireless world: little boxes called femtocells that boost cell-phone coverage in subscribers' homes. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Femtocells
G.726 @ 32 kbps should be a lossless ADPCM transcoding of normal PCM G.711. I have listened to many codec and vocoder tests over the years and I could never hear the difference between PCM and ADPCM. I think that the 32k variant conveys all of the same data as uncompressed PCM. Nice thing is it runs at half the speed. PCM (for those who don't know) samples the voice 8000 times a second and sends an 8 bit representation of the analog level of the audio at the time of the sample. That is how you get 64 kbps. (robbed bit signaling takes 1 bit out of every frame for signaling so many times we used to actually get 56kbps) The analog level codes are not linear, they are skewed to give more resolution at the lower audio levels in a process called companding. Companding significantly improves the signal to noise ratio. That is what they are referring to when they talk about mu law or A law PCM (or G.711). You have to have the right companding code selected or it will sound like UFOs have landed and are taking over. I have never been able to hear the difference between mu and A law companding either. A law was an international standard, mu law is used for US and Japan. ADPCM takes the same data of PCM and then transmits only the difference between samples, not the samples themselves. So, all the data is recovered but it requires a lower rate of transmission. There are variants of ADPCM that came along later to give even lower data rates. If you use G.726 make sure to select the 32 kbps if you are interested in keeping the voice quality up there. There is a 40 kbps option for G.726. I don't have a clue as to what it is about. - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 5:52 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Femtocells I dunno if I'd use anything less than G.711. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown - 2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 11:08 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Femtocells G.711 require 64kbps plus overhead. Normally about 90 kbps. But there are lossless compression methods that can cut this in about half. - Original Message - From: Marty Dougherty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 8:24 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Femtocells Does anyone know how much BW a call will require? Marty -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 5:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Femtocells Hmm I see better opportunity going to the Cellco directly and offer them the service, so that they do a bundle to the end user... Internet - Femtocell And you make and arrangement with the cellco to deliver the traffic directly to them instead of going to the internet...Saving them some $$ On Internet Bandwidth and also providing a lower latency link to them!!! ... maybe this is the next step beyond voip... Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 6:30 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Femtocells femtocells This is a great innovation that can help wisps gain market share. With these femtocells, the cell phone works in the house so the consumer doesn't need to have an extra land line. The customer is probably paying 80.00 or so for their dsl - telephone line. No land line needed for us wisps, the customer's 80.00 telco package is now in play. Maybe they want to trade it in for a faster and probably lesser expensive internet connection. It's a good opportunity for us, or the cable company. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/wireless_show_femtocells;_ylt=ArOpXSwLh8fh4Jp nL.VHQpsjtBAF Verizon Wireless is joining Sprint Nextel Corp. in jumping on the latest craze in the wireless world: little boxes called femtocells that boost cell-phone coverage in subscribers' homes. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe
Re: [WISPA] Femtocells
Last I heard, some of the cell carriers are using CELP. That works pretty good but is noticeably worse than the PCM and ADPCM methods. - Original Message - From: Bryan Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 7:58 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Femtocells The cell carriers aren't using G711. I haven't seen how much a UMA call takes up, but I'd bet it's less than the 90K of G.711u. UMA basically encapsulates a GSM stream inside of an IPSEC tunnel. EDGE traffic gets up to 100K+ when surfing or downloading files, so I could see a data stream over UMA going up to 150-200K. If you're talking EVDO data transfers via a femtocell, it could get up to a couple megabits (whatever they're touting EVDO's capability as, plus some overhead for security). -- Bryan Mike Hammett wrote: I dunno if I'd use anything less than G.711. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown - 2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 11:08 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Femtocells G.711 require 64kbps plus overhead. Normally about 90 kbps. But there are lossless compression methods that can cut this in about half. - Original Message - From: Marty Dougherty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 8:24 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Femtocells Does anyone know how much BW a call will require? Marty -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 5:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Femtocells Hmm I see better opportunity going to the Cellco directly and offer them the service, so that they do a bundle to the end user... Internet - Femtocell And you make and arrangement with the cellco to deliver the traffic directly to them instead of going to the internet...Saving them some $$ On Internet Bandwidth and also providing a lower latency link to them!!! ... maybe this is the next step beyond voip... Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 6:30 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Femtocells femtocells This is a great innovation that can help wisps gain market share. With these femtocells, the cell phone works in the house so the consumer doesn't need to have an extra land line. The customer is probably paying 80.00 or so for their dsl - telephone line. No land line needed for us wisps, the customer's 80.00 telco package is now in play. Maybe they want to trade it in for a faster and probably lesser expensive internet connection. It's a good opportunity for us, or the cable company. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/wireless_show_femtocells;_ylt=ArOpXSwLh8fh4Jp nL.VHQpsjtBAF Verizon Wireless is joining Sprint Nextel Corp. in jumping on the latest craze in the wireless world: little boxes called femtocells that boost cell-phone coverage in subscribers' homes. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA
Re: [WISPA] Femtocells
Pretty sure G.722 is obsolete and has been rolled into G.726 Most GSM systems use a variant of CELP, ACELP I think. G.729 I think. All of the CELP methods suck when compared to G.711/22/26 PCM/ADPCM methods. - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 8:53 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Femtocells I know. ATT and T-Mobile use GSM (the GSM for wireless is the same as the GSM VoIP codec). I dunno if the CDMA operators translate to anything in the VoIP world or not. I've tested with various codecs and I may use G.729 at some point, but for now I'm limiting myself to G.711 and G.722 once I get some business customers interested in it. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Bryan Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 8:58 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Femtocells The cell carriers aren't using G711. I haven't seen how much a UMA call takes up, but I'd bet it's less than the 90K of G.711u. UMA basically encapsulates a GSM stream inside of an IPSEC tunnel. EDGE traffic gets up to 100K+ when surfing or downloading files, so I could see a data stream over UMA going up to 150-200K. If you're talking EVDO data transfers via a femtocell, it could get up to a couple megabits (whatever they're touting EVDO's capability as, plus some overhead for security). -- Bryan Mike Hammett wrote: I dunno if I'd use anything less than G.711. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown - 2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 11:08 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Femtocells G.711 require 64kbps plus overhead. Normally about 90 kbps. But there are lossless compression methods that can cut this in about half. - Original Message - From: Marty Dougherty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 8:24 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Femtocells Does anyone know how much BW a call will require? Marty -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 5:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Femtocells Hmm I see better opportunity going to the Cellco directly and offer them the service, so that they do a bundle to the end user... Internet - Femtocell And you make and arrangement with the cellco to deliver the traffic directly to them instead of going to the internet...Saving them some $$ On Internet Bandwidth and also providing a lower latency link to them!!! ... maybe this is the next step beyond voip... Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 6:30 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Femtocells femtocells This is a great innovation that can help wisps gain market share. With these femtocells, the cell phone works in the house so the consumer doesn't need to have an extra land line. The customer is probably paying 80.00 or so for their dsl - telephone line. No land line needed for us wisps, the customer's 80.00 telco package is now in play. Maybe they want to trade it in for a faster and probably lesser expensive internet connection. It's a good opportunity for us, or the cable company. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/wireless_show_femtocells;_ylt=ArOpXSwLh8fh4Jp nL.VHQpsjtBAF Verizon Wireless is joining Sprint Nextel Corp. in jumping on the latest craze in the wireless world: little boxes called femtocells that boost cell-phone coverage in subscribers' homes. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Femtocells
I guess I should qualify that a bit. They suck when you are comparing voice quality. They are superior when delivering arguably acceptable voice communication with a minimum of bandwidth. - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 9:03 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Femtocells Pretty sure G.722 is obsolete and has been rolled into G.726 Most GSM systems use a variant of CELP, ACELP I think. G.729 I think. All of the CELP methods suck when compared to G.711/22/26 PCM/ADPCM methods. - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 8:53 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Femtocells I know. ATT and T-Mobile use GSM (the GSM for wireless is the same as the GSM VoIP codec). I dunno if the CDMA operators translate to anything in the VoIP world or not. I've tested with various codecs and I may use G.729 at some point, but for now I'm limiting myself to G.711 and G.722 once I get some business customers interested in it. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Bryan Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 8:58 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Femtocells The cell carriers aren't using G711. I haven't seen how much a UMA call takes up, but I'd bet it's less than the 90K of G.711u. UMA basically encapsulates a GSM stream inside of an IPSEC tunnel. EDGE traffic gets up to 100K+ when surfing or downloading files, so I could see a data stream over UMA going up to 150-200K. If you're talking EVDO data transfers via a femtocell, it could get up to a couple megabits (whatever they're touting EVDO's capability as, plus some overhead for security). -- Bryan Mike Hammett wrote: I dunno if I'd use anything less than G.711. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown - 2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 11:08 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Femtocells G.711 require 64kbps plus overhead. Normally about 90 kbps. But there are lossless compression methods that can cut this in about half. - Original Message - From: Marty Dougherty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 8:24 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Femtocells Does anyone know how much BW a call will require? Marty -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 5:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Femtocells Hmm I see better opportunity going to the Cellco directly and offer them the service, so that they do a bundle to the end user... Internet - Femtocell And you make and arrangement with the cellco to deliver the traffic directly to them instead of going to the internet...Saving them some $$ On Internet Bandwidth and also providing a lower latency link to them!!! ... maybe this is the next step beyond voip... Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 6:30 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Femtocells femtocells This is a great innovation that can help wisps gain market share. With these femtocells, the cell phone works in the house so the consumer doesn't need to have an extra land line. The customer is probably paying 80.00 or so for their dsl - telephone line. No land line needed for us wisps, the customer's 80.00 telco package is now in play. Maybe they want to trade it in for a faster and probably lesser expensive internet connection. It's a good opportunity for us, or the cable company. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/wireless_show_femtocells;_ylt=ArOpXSwLh8fh4Jp nL.VHQpsjtBAF Verizon Wireless is joining Sprint Nextel Corp. in jumping on the latest craze in the wireless world: little boxes called femtocells that boost cell-phone coverage in subscribers' homes. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Femtocells
G.711 *can* support FAXing, otherwise g.729 is very common for voice. John Mike Hammett wrote: I know. ATT and T-Mobile use GSM (the GSM for wireless is the same as the GSM VoIP codec). I dunno if the CDMA operators translate to anything in the VoIP world or not. I've tested with various codecs and I may use G.729 at some point, but for now I'm limiting myself to G.711 and G.722 once I get some business customers interested in it. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Bryan Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 8:58 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Femtocells The cell carriers aren't using G711. I haven't seen how much a UMA call takes up, but I'd bet it's less than the 90K of G.711u. UMA basically encapsulates a GSM stream inside of an IPSEC tunnel. EDGE traffic gets up to 100K+ when surfing or downloading files, so I could see a data stream over UMA going up to 150-200K. If you're talking EVDO data transfers via a femtocell, it could get up to a couple megabits (whatever they're touting EVDO's capability as, plus some overhead for security). -- Bryan Mike Hammett wrote: I dunno if I'd use anything less than G.711. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown - 2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 11:08 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Femtocells G.711 require 64kbps plus overhead. Normally about 90 kbps. But there are lossless compression methods that can cut this in about half. - Original Message - From: Marty Dougherty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 8:24 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Femtocells Does anyone know how much BW a call will require? Marty -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 5:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Femtocells Hmm I see better opportunity going to the Cellco directly and offer them the service, so that they do a bundle to the end user... Internet - Femtocell And you make and arrangement with the cellco to deliver the traffic directly to them instead of going to the internet...Saving them some $$ On Internet Bandwidth and also providing a lower latency link to them!!! ... maybe this is the next step beyond voip... Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 6:30 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Femtocells femtocells This is a great innovation that can help wisps gain market share. With these femtocells, the cell phone works in the house so the consumer doesn't need to have an extra land line. The customer is probably paying 80.00 or so for their dsl - telephone line. No land line needed for us wisps, the customer's 80.00 telco package is now in play. Maybe they want to trade it in for a faster and probably lesser expensive internet connection. It's a good opportunity for us, or the cable company. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/wireless_show_femtocells;_ylt=ArOpXSwLh8fh4Jp nL.VHQpsjtBAF Verizon Wireless is joining Sprint Nextel Corp. in jumping on the latest craze in the wireless world: little boxes called femtocells that boost cell-phone coverage in subscribers' homes. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Femtocells
John, please explain *can* or what is best for faxing? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Thomas Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 12:59 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Femtocells G.711 *can* support FAXing, otherwise g.729 is very common for voice. John Mike Hammett wrote: I know. ATT and T-Mobile use GSM (the GSM for wireless is the same as the GSM VoIP codec). I dunno if the CDMA operators translate to anything in the VoIP world or not. I've tested with various codecs and I may use G.729 at some point, but for now I'm limiting myself to G.711 and G.722 once I get some business customers interested in it. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Bryan Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 8:58 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Femtocells The cell carriers aren't using G711. I haven't seen how much a UMA call takes up, but I'd bet it's less than the 90K of G.711u. UMA basically encapsulates a GSM stream inside of an IPSEC tunnel. EDGE traffic gets up to 100K+ when surfing or downloading files, so I could see a data stream over UMA going up to 150-200K. If you're talking EVDO data transfers via a femtocell, it could get up to a couple megabits (whatever they're touting EVDO's capability as, plus some overhead for security). -- Bryan Mike Hammett wrote: I dunno if I'd use anything less than G.711. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown - 2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 11:08 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Femtocells G.711 require 64kbps plus overhead. Normally about 90 kbps. But there are lossless compression methods that can cut this in about half. - Original Message - From: Marty Dougherty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 8:24 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Femtocells Does anyone know how much BW a call will require? Marty -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 5:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Femtocells Hmm I see better opportunity going to the Cellco directly and offer them the service, so that they do a bundle to the end user... Internet - Femtocell And you make and arrangement with the cellco to deliver the traffic directly to them instead of going to the internet...Saving them some $$ On Internet Bandwidth and also providing a lower latency link to them!!! ... maybe this is the next step beyond voip... Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 6:30 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Femtocells femtocells This is a great innovation that can help wisps gain market share. With these femtocells, the cell phone works in the house so the consumer doesn't need to have an extra land line. The customer is probably paying 80.00 or so for their dsl - telephone line. No land line needed for us wisps, the customer's 80.00 telco package is now in play. Maybe they want to trade it in for a faster and probably lesser expensive internet connection. It's a good opportunity for us, or the cable company. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/wireless_show_femtocells;_ylt=ArOpXSwLh8fh4Jp nL.VHQpsjtBAF Verizon Wireless is joining Sprint Nextel Corp. in jumping on the latest craze in the wireless world: little boxes called femtocells that boost cell-phone coverage in subscribers' homes. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Femtocells
g.729 should from a mathematic point of view be able to do everything g.711 does. - Original Message - From: John Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 1:58 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Femtocells G.711 *can* support FAXing, otherwise g.729 is very common for voice. John Mike Hammett wrote: I know. ATT and T-Mobile use GSM (the GSM for wireless is the same as the GSM VoIP codec). I dunno if the CDMA operators translate to anything in the VoIP world or not. I've tested with various codecs and I may use G.729 at some point, but for now I'm limiting myself to G.711 and G.722 once I get some business customers interested in it. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Bryan Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 8:58 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Femtocells The cell carriers aren't using G711. I haven't seen how much a UMA call takes up, but I'd bet it's less than the 90K of G.711u. UMA basically encapsulates a GSM stream inside of an IPSEC tunnel. EDGE traffic gets up to 100K+ when surfing or downloading files, so I could see a data stream over UMA going up to 150-200K. If you're talking EVDO data transfers via a femtocell, it could get up to a couple megabits (whatever they're touting EVDO's capability as, plus some overhead for security). -- Bryan Mike Hammett wrote: I dunno if I'd use anything less than G.711. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Chuck McCown - 2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 11:08 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Femtocells G.711 require 64kbps plus overhead. Normally about 90 kbps. But there are lossless compression methods that can cut this in about half. - Original Message - From: Marty Dougherty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 8:24 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Femtocells Does anyone know how much BW a call will require? Marty -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 5:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Femtocells Hmm I see better opportunity going to the Cellco directly and offer them the service, so that they do a bundle to the end user... Internet - Femtocell And you make and arrangement with the cellco to deliver the traffic directly to them instead of going to the internet...Saving them some $$ On Internet Bandwidth and also providing a lower latency link to them!!! ... maybe this is the next step beyond voip... Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 6:30 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Femtocells femtocells This is a great innovation that can help wisps gain market share. With these femtocells, the cell phone works in the house so the consumer doesn't need to have an extra land line. The customer is probably paying 80.00 or so for their dsl - telephone line. No land line needed for us wisps, the customer's 80.00 telco package is now in play. Maybe they want to trade it in for a faster and probably lesser expensive internet connection. It's a good opportunity for us, or the cable company. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/wireless_show_femtocells;_ylt=ArOpXSwLh8fh4Jp nL.VHQpsjtBAF Verizon Wireless is joining Sprint Nextel Corp. in jumping on the latest craze in the wireless world: little boxes called femtocells that boost cell-phone coverage in subscribers' homes. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Femtocells
Does anyone know how much BW a call will require? Marty -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 5:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Femtocells Hmm I see better opportunity going to the Cellco directly and offer them the service, so that they do a bundle to the end user... Internet - Femtocell And you make and arrangement with the cellco to deliver the traffic directly to them instead of going to the internet...Saving them some $$ On Internet Bandwidth and also providing a lower latency link to them!!! ... maybe this is the next step beyond voip... Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 6:30 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Femtocells femtocells This is a great innovation that can help wisps gain market share. With these femtocells, the cell phone works in the house so the consumer doesn't need to have an extra land line. The customer is probably paying 80.00 or so for their dsl - telephone line. No land line needed for us wisps, the customer's 80.00 telco package is now in play. Maybe they want to trade it in for a faster and probably lesser expensive internet connection. It's a good opportunity for us, or the cable company. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/wireless_show_femtocells;_ylt=ArOpXSwLh8fh4Jp nL.VHQpsjtBAF Verizon Wireless is joining Sprint Nextel Corp. in jumping on the latest craze in the wireless world: little boxes called femtocells that boost cell-phone coverage in subscribers' homes. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Femtocells
G.711 require 64kbps plus overhead. Normally about 90 kbps. But there are lossless compression methods that can cut this in about half. - Original Message - From: Marty Dougherty [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2008 8:24 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Femtocells Does anyone know how much BW a call will require? Marty -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 5:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Femtocells Hmm I see better opportunity going to the Cellco directly and offer them the service, so that they do a bundle to the end user... Internet - Femtocell And you make and arrangement with the cellco to deliver the traffic directly to them instead of going to the internet...Saving them some $$ On Internet Bandwidth and also providing a lower latency link to them!!! ... maybe this is the next step beyond voip... Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 6:30 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Femtocells femtocells This is a great innovation that can help wisps gain market share. With these femtocells, the cell phone works in the house so the consumer doesn't need to have an extra land line. The customer is probably paying 80.00 or so for their dsl - telephone line. No land line needed for us wisps, the customer's 80.00 telco package is now in play. Maybe they want to trade it in for a faster and probably lesser expensive internet connection. It's a good opportunity for us, or the cable company. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/wireless_show_femtocells;_ylt=ArOpXSwLh8fh4Jp nL.VHQpsjtBAF Verizon Wireless is joining Sprint Nextel Corp. in jumping on the latest craze in the wireless world: little boxes called femtocells that boost cell-phone coverage in subscribers' homes. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Femtocells
femtocells This is a great innovation that can help wisps gain market share. With these femtocells, the cell phone works in the house so the consumer doesn't need to have an extra land line. The customer is probably paying 80.00 or so for their dsl - telephone line. No land line needed for us wisps, the customer's 80.00 telco package is now in play. Maybe they want to trade it in for a faster and probably lesser expensive internet connection. It's a good opportunity for us, or the cable company. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/wireless_show_femtocells;_ylt=ArOpXSwLh8fh4JpnL.VHQpsjtBAF Verizon Wireless is joining Sprint Nextel Corp. in jumping on the latest craze in the wireless world: little boxes called femtocells that boost cell-phone coverage in subscribers' homes. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Femtocells
Hmm I see better opportunity going to the Cellco directly and offer them the service, so that they do a bundle to the end user... Internet - Femtocell And you make and arrangement with the cellco to deliver the traffic directly to them instead of going to the internet...Saving them some $$ On Internet Bandwidth and also providing a lower latency link to them!!! ... maybe this is the next step beyond voip... Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 6:30 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Femtocells femtocells This is a great innovation that can help wisps gain market share. With these femtocells, the cell phone works in the house so the consumer doesn't need to have an extra land line. The customer is probably paying 80.00 or so for their dsl - telephone line. No land line needed for us wisps, the customer's 80.00 telco package is now in play. Maybe they want to trade it in for a faster and probably lesser expensive internet connection. It's a good opportunity for us, or the cable company. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/wireless_show_femtocells;_ylt=ArOpXSwLh8fh4Jp nL.VHQpsjtBAF Verizon Wireless is joining Sprint Nextel Corp. in jumping on the latest craze in the wireless world: little boxes called femtocells that boost cell-phone coverage in subscribers' homes. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Femtocells
It's interesting to see how the wireless carriers are trying to compete with VoIP and (at the same time) leverage the broader coverage of broadband in areas where cell service is weak. On the cool side: A few of us here have been using T-Mobile's wifi service and GSM+WiFi phones for the past 8 or so months. Calls made over a WiFi connection don't count against minutes. That's a no-brainer since we're at home or the office 90% of the time. When we go to our remote sites where there is no cell coverage, I still have service if I can get WiFi connectivity. I bought an AirPort Express to take along for just that reason. On the down side: They're launching a VoIP product that competes directly with one we're about to launch; theirs is less, but it requires the cell phone contract to be oh-so much, almost making it a wash. Luckily they're not in our market. Whether you're for UMA over WiFi or Femtocell, it certainly enhances the value of the cell phone + Internet connection. -- Bryan Gino Villarini wrote: Hmm I see better opportunity going to the Cellco directly and offer them the service, so that they do a bundle to the end user... Internet - Femtocell And you make and arrangement with the cellco to deliver the traffic directly to them instead of going to the internet...Saving them some $$ On Internet Bandwidth and also providing a lower latency link to them!!! ... maybe this is the next step beyond voip... Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of George Rogato Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 6:30 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Femtocells femtocells This is a great innovation that can help wisps gain market share. With these femtocells, the cell phone works in the house so the consumer doesn't need to have an extra land line. The customer is probably paying 80.00 or so for their dsl - telephone line. No land line needed for us wisps, the customer's 80.00 telco package is now in play. Maybe they want to trade it in for a faster and probably lesser expensive internet connection. It's a good opportunity for us, or the cable company. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/wireless_show_femtocells;_ylt=ArOpXSwLh8fh4Jp nL.VHQpsjtBAF Verizon Wireless is joining Sprint Nextel Corp. in jumping on the latest craze in the wireless world: little boxes called femtocells that boost cell-phone coverage in subscribers' homes. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
