Re: [WISPA] Spammers or not?
I thought this thread was closed... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Isp Operator Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 7:23 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Spammers or not? And what the internet has told you, is that we AREN'T GOING TO ASK to remove ourselves from lists we DIDN'T ASK TO BE ON. What a JERK. Butch Evans wrote: > On Wed, 22 Oct 2008, Jeff Broadwick wrote: > >> Personally, I don't mind if someone sends me a single UCE with >> something that relates to what I do. I'm even more open to that sort >> of thing on our Sales@ or Info@ addresses. What I ask is that I be >> removed as soon as I tell them I don't want their emails. > > The thing that has ALWAYS been troublesome to me is getting off these > lists. It is the reason, frankly, that I approached it as I did. > Either way, I'm not going to continue in this argument or discussion > (whatever term you want to apply). > > I will say again to all on this list...if you want off the list I > created, you have but to ask. > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Spammers or not?
And what the internet has told you, is that we AREN'T GOING TO ASK to remove ourselves from lists we DIDN'T ASK TO BE ON. What a JERK. Butch Evans wrote: > On Wed, 22 Oct 2008, Jeff Broadwick wrote: > >> Personally, I don't mind if someone sends me a single UCE with >> something that relates to what I do. I'm even more open to that >> sort of thing on our Sales@ or Info@ addresses. What I ask is that >> I be removed as soon as I tell them I don't want their emails. > > The thing that has ALWAYS been troublesome to me is getting off > these lists. It is the reason, frankly, that I approached it as I > did. Either way, I'm not going to continue in this argument or > discussion (whatever term you want to apply). > > I will say again to all on this list...if you want off the list I > created, you have but to ask. > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Spammers or not?
The e-mail didn't come to my WISPA list e-mail address. On Thu, Oct 23, 2008 at 10:00 PM, Marlon K. Schafer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > Butch is a vendor member. If you got an email from the list it's an ad > that > he paid for one way or another. That's one of the ways that WISPA earns > it's money. > > laters, > marlon > > - Original Message - > From: "Paul Dowling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" > Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 9:22 AM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Spammers or not? > > > >I was pissed when Butch Evans sent his spam from the list. You click a > >link > > to unsubscribe, then they send you another e-mail to verify your > > unsubscription and you have to return the e-mail or click on a link. > > Double > > opt-out?!?!?! I just blocked his whole domain in our spam filter for the > > entire network. > > > > On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 9:47 AM, Paul Dowling > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > > > >> I was pissed when Butch Evans sent his spam from the list. You click a > >> link to unsubscribe, then they send you another e-mail to verify your > >> unsubscription and you have to return the e-mail or click on a link. > >> Double > >> opt-out?!?!?! I just blocked his whole domain in our spam filter for > the > >> entire network. > >> > >> > >> On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 12:50 AM, Marlon K. Schafer > >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > >> > >>> Spam is different from UCE (unsolicited email). > >>> > >>> But I don't normally buy from companies that send me junk mail. > >>> > >>> On the other hand, how do they get ahold of any of us these days? > >>> > >>> Tough call sometimes. > >>> > >>> Of course, they can always PAY for ads on wispa's lists. > >>> malron > >>> > >>> - Original Message - > >>> From: "Jim Patient" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>> To: "WISPA General List" > >>> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 6:22 PM > >>> Subject: [WISPA] Spammers or not? > >>> > >>> > >>> > Is it ethical for vendors to search for WISPs on wispdirectory.comand > >>> > send unsolicited emails to the harvested email addresses? > >>> > > >>> > I've been getting advertisements from vendor members through my WISP > >>> > email addys and aside from a web search for WISPs or this directory, > I > >>> > don't know how they would have gotten those email addys. > >>> > > >>> > Jim > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > >>> > http://signup.wispa.org/ > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >>> > > >>> > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > >>> > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >>> > > >>> > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > > >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! > >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ > >>> > >>> > > >>> > >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > >>> > >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > >>> > >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > >>> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Spammers or not?
Butch is a vendor member. If you got an email from the list it's an ad that he paid for one way or another. That's one of the ways that WISPA earns it's money. laters, marlon - Original Message - From: "Paul Dowling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 9:22 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Spammers or not? >I was pissed when Butch Evans sent his spam from the list. You click a >link > to unsubscribe, then they send you another e-mail to verify your > unsubscription and you have to return the e-mail or click on a link. > Double > opt-out?!?!?! I just blocked his whole domain in our spam filter for the > entire network. > > On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 9:47 AM, Paul Dowling > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > >> I was pissed when Butch Evans sent his spam from the list. You click a >> link to unsubscribe, then they send you another e-mail to verify your >> unsubscription and you have to return the e-mail or click on a link. >> Double >> opt-out?!?!?! I just blocked his whole domain in our spam filter for the >> entire network. >> >> >> On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 12:50 AM, Marlon K. Schafer >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: >> >>> Spam is different from UCE (unsolicited email). >>> >>> But I don't normally buy from companies that send me junk mail. >>> >>> On the other hand, how do they get ahold of any of us these days? >>> >>> Tough call sometimes. >>> >>> Of course, they can always PAY for ads on wispa's lists. >>> malron >>> >>> - Original Message - >>> From: "Jim Patient" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: "WISPA General List" >>> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 6:22 PM >>> Subject: [WISPA] Spammers or not? >>> >>> >>> > Is it ethical for vendors to search for WISPs on wispdirectory.com and >>> > send unsolicited emails to the harvested email addresses? >>> > >>> > I've been getting advertisements from vendor members through my WISP >>> > email addys and aside from a web search for WISPs or this directory, I >>> > don't know how they would have gotten those email addys. >>> > >>> > Jim >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >>> > WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> > http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> > >>> >>> > >>> > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> > >>> > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> > >>> > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >> >> > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Spammers or not?
Please close this thread. The alleged infraction did not happen within WISPA resources and is no longer a thread worthy of this dialog as it would appear all viewpoints have been discussed about this several times for several years. In essence the discussion of alleged spam is now filling my inbox with more useless space than any spam I received today. Thank you for closing this thread, John Scrivner On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 4:21 PM, Mark McElvy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I sorry, but by your definition ALL email is spam if you did not > specifically ask for it. If I emailed you directly I would be spamming > you unless I called and asked first. > > Mark > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Paul Dowling > Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 2:10 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Spammers or not? > > The definition of spam is an unsolicited e-mail. Obviously we didn't > ask > you to sendus the request so it was an unsolicited e-mail. Just because > you > politely ask to > send spam doesn't make it right. > > On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 1:43 PM, Butch Evans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > >> On Wed, 22 Oct 2008, Paul Dowling wrote: >> >> >I was pissed when Butch Evans sent his spam from the list. You >> >click a link to unsubscribe, then they send you another e-mail to >> >verify your unsubscription and you have to return the e-mail or >> >click on a link. Double opt-out?!?!?! I just blocked his whole >> >domain in our spam filter for the entire network. >> >> There was no spam sent. In fact, the original message was intended >> to ask your permission to do so. The unsubscribe is normal for a >> mailman list. It is not "double opt-out" at all. It is a >> confirmation message. The reason I configured it that way was so >> that you could be certain you were no longer subscribed. >> >> -- >> >> *Butch Evans*Professional Network Consultation * >> *Network Engineering*MikroTik RouterOS * >> *573-276-2879 *ImageStream * >> *http://www.butchevans.com/ *StarOS and MORE * >> *http://blog.butchevans.com/*Wired or wireless Networks* >> *http://www.wisp-forums.com/*http://www.wisp-wiki.com/ >> *Mikrotik Certified Consultant *Professional Technical Trainer* >> >> >> >> >> > > >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> > > >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Spammers or not?
I sorry, but by your definition ALL email is spam if you did not specifically ask for it. If I emailed you directly I would be spamming you unless I called and asked first. Mark -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Paul Dowling Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 2:10 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Spammers or not? The definition of spam is an unsolicited e-mail. Obviously we didn't ask you to sendus the request so it was an unsolicited e-mail. Just because you politely ask to send spam doesn't make it right. On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 1:43 PM, Butch Evans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, 22 Oct 2008, Paul Dowling wrote: > > >I was pissed when Butch Evans sent his spam from the list. You > >click a link to unsubscribe, then they send you another e-mail to > >verify your unsubscription and you have to return the e-mail or > >click on a link. Double opt-out?!?!?! I just blocked his whole > >domain in our spam filter for the entire network. > > There was no spam sent. In fact, the original message was intended > to ask your permission to do so. The unsubscribe is normal for a > mailman list. It is not "double opt-out" at all. It is a > confirmation message. The reason I configured it that way was so > that you could be certain you were no longer subscribed. > > -- > > *Butch Evans*Professional Network Consultation * > *Network Engineering*MikroTik RouterOS * > *573-276-2879 *ImageStream * > *http://www.butchevans.com/ *StarOS and MORE * > *http://blog.butchevans.com/*Wired or wireless Networks* > *http://www.wisp-forums.com/*http://www.wisp-wiki.com/ > *Mikrotik Certified Consultant *Professional Technical Trainer* > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Spammers or not?
On Wed, 22 Oct 2008, Jeff Broadwick wrote: >Personally, I don't mind if someone sends me a single UCE with >something that relates to what I do. I'm even more open to that >sort of thing on our Sales@ or Info@ addresses. What I ask is that >I be removed as soon as I tell them I don't want their emails. The thing that has ALWAYS been troublesome to me is getting off these lists. It is the reason, frankly, that I approached it as I did. Either way, I'm not going to continue in this argument or discussion (whatever term you want to apply). I will say again to all on this list...if you want off the list I created, you have but to ask. -- *Butch Evans*Professional Network Consultation * *Network Engineering*MikroTik RouterOS * *573-276-2879 *ImageStream * *http://www.butchevans.com/ *StarOS and MORE * *http://blog.butchevans.com/*Wired or wireless Networks* *http://www.wisp-forums.com/*http://www.wisp-wiki.com/ *Mikrotik Certified Consultant *Professional Technical Trainer* WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Spammers or not?
On Wed, 22 Oct 2008, Paul Dowling wrote: >The definition of spam is an unsolicited e-mail. Obviously we >didn't ask you to sendus the request so it was an unsolicited >e-mail. Just because you politely ask to send spam doesn't make it >right. I understand your position. I'm not trying to justify any action on my part, either. I don't even feel the need to do so. I recognise that the email both frustrated and angered you. In truth, I even agree with your position to a point. I simply felt like this was a better approach than sending the message with the advertisement first. If you disagree, that is your right. Consider this my public apology to you (and others) if you are or were offended by this approach. As the original message stated, anyone who requests it either by following the link in the message OR by sending me a direct email WILL be removed and will NOT be seeing further email from me on this subject. -- *Butch Evans*Professional Network Consultation * *Network Engineering*MikroTik RouterOS * *573-276-2879 *ImageStream * *http://www.butchevans.com/ *StarOS and MORE * *http://blog.butchevans.com/*Wired or wireless Networks* *http://www.wisp-forums.com/*http://www.wisp-wiki.com/ *Mikrotik Certified Consultant *Professional Technical Trainer* WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Spammers or not?
I would agree with you Jeff. Associations such as WISPA are a fine balance of Vendors and WISP's, without either of them the association would just be a casual 'watering hole' -:) Getting annoyed at a particular vendor or even a particular person is understandable, but a public 'lashing out' against a Vendor Member(s) of Association, over a Email Ad's, on the list is a bit over the top. Just my two cents. (it takes less time to hit the delete key than the write emails) -:) Faisal Imtiaz SnappyDSL.net -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 3:33 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Spammers or not? Personally, I don't mind if someone sends me a single UCE with something that relates to what I do. I'm even more open to that sort of thing on our Sales@ or Info@ addresses. What I ask is that I be removed as soon as I tell them I don't want their emails. I've been on two lists for years that I can't seem to get rid of, and one of them is my alma mater...go figure. Regards, Jeff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 3:26 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Spammers or not? Apparently there's the widely accepted terms and then each individual's term, which can vary quite widely. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "Paul Dowling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 2:10 PM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] Spammers or not? > The definition of spam is an unsolicited e-mail. Obviously we didn't > ask you to sendus the request so it was an unsolicited e-mail. Just > because you politely ask to send spam doesn't make it right. > > On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 1:43 PM, Butch Evans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > >> On Wed, 22 Oct 2008, Paul Dowling wrote: >> >> >I was pissed when Butch Evans sent his spam from the list. You >> >click a link to unsubscribe, then they send you another e-mail to >> >verify your unsubscription and you have to return the e-mail or >> >click on a link. Double opt-out?!?!?! I just blocked his whole >> >domain in our spam filter for the entire network. >> >> There was no spam sent. In fact, the original message was intended >> to ask your permission to do so. The unsubscribe is normal for a >> mailman list. It is not "double opt-out" at all. It is a >> confirmation message. The reason I configured it that way was so >> that you could be certain you were no longer subscribed. >> >> -- >> >> *Butch Evans*Professional Network Consultation * >> *Network Engineering*MikroTik RouterOS * >> *573-276-2879 *ImageStream * >> *http://www.butchevans.com/ *StarOS and MORE * >> *http://blog.butchevans.com/*Wired or wireless Networks* >> *http://www.wisp-forums.com/*http://www.wisp-wiki.com/ >> *Mikrotik Certified Consultant *Professional Technical Trainer* >> >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirele
Re: [WISPA] Spammers or not?
Personally, I don't mind if someone sends me a single UCE with something that relates to what I do. I'm even more open to that sort of thing on our Sales@ or Info@ addresses. What I ask is that I be removed as soon as I tell them I don't want their emails. I've been on two lists for years that I can't seem to get rid of, and one of them is my alma mater...go figure. Regards, Jeff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 3:26 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Spammers or not? Apparently there's the widely accepted terms and then each individual's term, which can vary quite widely. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "Paul Dowling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 2:10 PM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] Spammers or not? > The definition of spam is an unsolicited e-mail. Obviously we didn't ask > you to sendus the request so it was an unsolicited e-mail. Just because > you > politely ask to > send spam doesn't make it right. > > On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 1:43 PM, Butch Evans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > >> On Wed, 22 Oct 2008, Paul Dowling wrote: >> >> >I was pissed when Butch Evans sent his spam from the list. You >> >click a link to unsubscribe, then they send you another e-mail to >> >verify your unsubscription and you have to return the e-mail or >> >click on a link. Double opt-out?!?!?! I just blocked his whole >> >domain in our spam filter for the entire network. >> >> There was no spam sent. In fact, the original message was intended >> to ask your permission to do so. The unsubscribe is normal for a >> mailman list. It is not "double opt-out" at all. It is a >> confirmation message. The reason I configured it that way was so >> that you could be certain you were no longer subscribed. >> >> -- >> >> *Butch Evans*Professional Network Consultation * >> *Network Engineering*MikroTik RouterOS * >> *573-276-2879 *ImageStream * >> *http://www.butchevans.com/ *StarOS and MORE * >> *http://blog.butchevans.com/*Wired or wireless Networks* >> *http://www.wisp-forums.com/*http://www.wisp-wiki.com/ >> *Mikrotik Certified Consultant *Professional Technical Trainer* >> >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Spammers or not?
Apparently there's the widely accepted terms and then each individual's term, which can vary quite widely. -- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: "Paul Dowling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 2:10 PM To: "WISPA General List" Subject: Re: [WISPA] Spammers or not? > The definition of spam is an unsolicited e-mail. Obviously we didn't ask > you to sendus the request so it was an unsolicited e-mail. Just because > you > politely ask to > send spam doesn't make it right. > > On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 1:43 PM, Butch Evans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > >> On Wed, 22 Oct 2008, Paul Dowling wrote: >> >> >I was pissed when Butch Evans sent his spam from the list. You >> >click a link to unsubscribe, then they send you another e-mail to >> >verify your unsubscription and you have to return the e-mail or >> >click on a link. Double opt-out?!?!?! I just blocked his whole >> >domain in our spam filter for the entire network. >> >> There was no spam sent. In fact, the original message was intended >> to ask your permission to do so. The unsubscribe is normal for a >> mailman list. It is not "double opt-out" at all. It is a >> confirmation message. The reason I configured it that way was so >> that you could be certain you were no longer subscribed. >> >> -- >> >> *Butch Evans*Professional Network Consultation * >> *Network Engineering*MikroTik RouterOS * >> *573-276-2879 *ImageStream * >> *http://www.butchevans.com/ *StarOS and MORE * >> *http://blog.butchevans.com/*Wired or wireless Networks* >> *http://www.wisp-forums.com/*http://www.wisp-wiki.com/ >> *Mikrotik Certified Consultant *Professional Technical Trainer* >> >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Spammers or not?
The definition of spam is an unsolicited e-mail. Obviously we didn't ask you to sendus the request so it was an unsolicited e-mail. Just because you politely ask to send spam doesn't make it right. On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 1:43 PM, Butch Evans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, 22 Oct 2008, Paul Dowling wrote: > > >I was pissed when Butch Evans sent his spam from the list. You > >click a link to unsubscribe, then they send you another e-mail to > >verify your unsubscription and you have to return the e-mail or > >click on a link. Double opt-out?!?!?! I just blocked his whole > >domain in our spam filter for the entire network. > > There was no spam sent. In fact, the original message was intended > to ask your permission to do so. The unsubscribe is normal for a > mailman list. It is not "double opt-out" at all. It is a > confirmation message. The reason I configured it that way was so > that you could be certain you were no longer subscribed. > > -- > > *Butch Evans*Professional Network Consultation * > *Network Engineering*MikroTik RouterOS * > *573-276-2879 *ImageStream * > *http://www.butchevans.com/ *StarOS and MORE * > *http://blog.butchevans.com/*Wired or wireless Networks* > *http://www.wisp-forums.com/*http://www.wisp-wiki.com/ > *Mikrotik Certified Consultant *Professional Technical Trainer* > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Spammers or not?
That is the standard config for mail-man. I think there are well over 10 digits of this software installed around the planet in this method. ryan Butch Evans wrote: > On Wed, 22 Oct 2008, Paul Dowling wrote: > > >> I was pissed when Butch Evans sent his spam from the list. You >> click a link to unsubscribe, then they send you another e-mail to >> verify your unsubscription and you have to return the e-mail or >> click on a link. Double opt-out?!?!?! I just blocked his whole >> domain in our spam filter for the entire network. >> > > There was no spam sent. In fact, the original message was intended > to ask your permission to do so. The unsubscribe is normal for a > mailman list. It is not "double opt-out" at all. It is a > confirmation message. The reason I configured it that way was so > that you could be certain you were no longer subscribed. > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Spammers or not?
On Wed, 22 Oct 2008, Paul Dowling wrote: >I was pissed when Butch Evans sent his spam from the list. You >click a link to unsubscribe, then they send you another e-mail to >verify your unsubscription and you have to return the e-mail or >click on a link. Double opt-out?!?!?! I just blocked his whole >domain in our spam filter for the entire network. There was no spam sent. In fact, the original message was intended to ask your permission to do so. The unsubscribe is normal for a mailman list. It is not "double opt-out" at all. It is a confirmation message. The reason I configured it that way was so that you could be certain you were no longer subscribed. -- *Butch Evans*Professional Network Consultation * *Network Engineering*MikroTik RouterOS * *573-276-2879 *ImageStream * *http://www.butchevans.com/ *StarOS and MORE * *http://blog.butchevans.com/*Wired or wireless Networks* *http://www.wisp-forums.com/*http://www.wisp-wiki.com/ *Mikrotik Certified Consultant *Professional Technical Trainer* WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Spammers or not?
I was pissed when Butch Evans sent his spam from the list. You click a link to unsubscribe, then they send you another e-mail to verify your unsubscription and you have to return the e-mail or click on a link. Double opt-out?!?!?! I just blocked his whole domain in our spam filter for the entire network. On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 9:47 AM, Paul Dowling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > I was pissed when Butch Evans sent his spam from the list. You click a > link to unsubscribe, then they send you another e-mail to verify your > unsubscription and you have to return the e-mail or click on a link. Double > opt-out?!?!?! I just blocked his whole domain in our spam filter for the > entire network. > > > On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 12:50 AM, Marlon K. Schafer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: > >> Spam is different from UCE (unsolicited email). >> >> But I don't normally buy from companies that send me junk mail. >> >> On the other hand, how do they get ahold of any of us these days? >> >> Tough call sometimes. >> >> Of course, they can always PAY for ads on wispa's lists. >> malron >> >> - Original Message - >> From: "Jim Patient" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "WISPA General List" >> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 6:22 PM >> Subject: [WISPA] Spammers or not? >> >> >> > Is it ethical for vendors to search for WISPs on wispdirectory.com and >> > send unsolicited emails to the harvested email addresses? >> > >> > I've been getting advertisements from vendor members through my WISP >> > email addys and aside from a web search for WISPs or this directory, I >> > don't know how they would have gotten those email addys. >> > >> > Jim >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> > WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> > http://signup.wispa.org/ >> > >> >> > >> > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> > >> > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> > >> > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Spammers or not?
Spam is different from UCE (unsolicited email). But I don't normally buy from companies that send me junk mail. On the other hand, how do they get ahold of any of us these days? Tough call sometimes. Of course, they can always PAY for ads on wispa's lists. malron - Original Message - From: "Jim Patient" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 6:22 PM Subject: [WISPA] Spammers or not? > Is it ethical for vendors to search for WISPs on wispdirectory.com and > send unsolicited emails to the harvested email addresses? > > I've been getting advertisements from vendor members through my WISP > email addys and aside from a web search for WISPs or this directory, I > don't know how they would have gotten those email addys. > > Jim > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Spammers or not?
Is it ethical for vendors to search for WISPs on wispdirectory.com and send unsolicited emails to the harvested email addresses? I've been getting advertisements from vendor members through my WISP email addys and aside from a web search for WISPs or this directory, I don't know how they would have gotten those email addys. Jim WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
