Re: [WISPA] grant funds ideas
On Mar 3, 2009, at 9:46 PM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: Hiya Tom, Yeah I know where we sent it. As far as I'm concerned we speak for all WISPs. If they want to help control what is said they can join. But we're here if they want to provide input I think that good ideas are good ideas, no matter where they come from. There are some otherwise smart people that are still not members! AND, I already asked this on the members only list and no one bothered to even talk about it there. Because it had already been talked about poke. Chuck laters, marlon P.S. I'm not giving out anything that I think will help my competitors :-). - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 10:03 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] grant funds ideas Marlon, Also note... Your post was sent to the general list, not the members list. Technically, WISPA's obligation is to only consider the opinions of its members when formulating official WISPA opinion. As well, there is risk in sharing WISPA's strategy with the open public, which include our competitors. This thread would likely be more active, if it was made on the member's list, so comments could be made freely, knowing the audience. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: John McDowell j...@boonlink.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 10:30 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] grant funds ideas Rick, will you add me to the grants committee list? On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 9:28 AM, Rick Harnish rharn...@wispa.org wrote: If everyone would send these ideas to grantscommit...@wispa.org, I will allow them to go through. The Grants Committee wants your input but does not necessarily read every post on all the listservs. Thanks, Rick -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of John McDowell Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 10:15 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] grant funds ideas I thought I saw some posts on that? My main concern is that I do not want a community to be determined by Census. There are too many small communities of 50-100 people that are not on the census that need broadband. This to me is one of the major pitfalls of the USDA program. I could have funded nearly 20 communities for grants already had the rules left out the Census. There needs to be a better way to determine if a community is indeed a community regardless of whether it is reported as a community or not. The second thing that I would propose is the use of funds for obtaining licensed spectrum, including but not limited to EBS/BRS and PTP microwave links. Thirdly, there should be no salary cap as the USDA puts on Network Administrative positions that must be filled to help manage this growth. Quality Network Engineers and administrators are high paying positions, not to mention, engineers with the experience in RF, cellular-type technologies with the know-how to build a top notch wimax network. On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 9:05 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Hi All, I've asked before but saw no discussion so here it is again If WISPA gets a chance to give input to the grant process, what should we tell the government? I can't believe that NO ONE here has any input on this at all. Did my last post fail to make it through? Or should we not give any input into the process if given the chance? We'll just let the telco's get all of it then? marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 j...@boonlink.com www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail j...@boonlink.com, and delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to spoofing, spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the message or the source, please contact the sender directly
Re: [WISPA] grant funds ideas
insert witty tagline here - Original Message - From: Ross Cornett vp...@hofnet-communications.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 7:20 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] grant funds ideas I have yet to receive any communication or dollars from my government, other than to spend more money on their so called public safety initiatives, like calea... ...enough, that should get the sounding board moving...just incase anyone needs to know who posted such a Capitalistic Republican view. LOL, they don't like me around here for being one of those Capitalist Pigs, either. I'm so radical I oppose handouts, even for and to me (God knows I am not rich ). I won't take it if offered. You gotta start somewhere. I'm starting with me. It's not good enough for me to say if someone's going to get them, it might as well be me. Sorry. This country's in bad enough shape it's no longer a matter of politics or partisanship. It's now a matter of conscience. That should come first, before the bank balance, before the checkbook bottom line, before we're a party member, or not a party member, before we're businessmen or consumers, or whatever... Ross Cornett HofNet Communications, Inc. Effingham Illinois. 217 342 6201 ex 100 _ Galatians 6:7-8: Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting. _ - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Cc: legislat...@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:05 AM Subject: [WISPA] grant funds ideas Hi All, I've asked before but saw no discussion so here it is again If WISPA gets a chance to give input to the grant process, what should we tell the government? I can't believe that NO ONE here has any input on this at all. Did my last post fail to make it through? Or should we not give any input into the process if given the chance? We'll just let the telco's get all of it then? marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] grant funds ideas
Hi All, I've asked before but saw no discussion so here it is again If WISPA gets a chance to give input to the grant process, what should we tell the government? I can't believe that NO ONE here has any input on this at all. Did my last post fail to make it through? Or should we not give any input into the process if given the chance? We'll just let the telco's get all of it then? marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] grant funds ideas
I thought I saw some posts on that? My main concern is that I do not want a community to be determined by Census. There are too many small communities of 50-100 people that are not on the census that need broadband. This to me is one of the major pitfalls of the USDA program. I could have funded nearly 20 communities for grants already had the rules left out the Census. There needs to be a better way to determine if a community is indeed a community regardless of whether it is reported as a community or not. The second thing that I would propose is the use of funds for obtaining licensed spectrum, including but not limited to EBS/BRS and PTP microwave links. Thirdly, there should be no salary cap as the USDA puts on Network Administrative positions that must be filled to help manage this growth. Quality Network Engineers and administrators are high paying positions, not to mention, engineers with the experience in RF, cellular-type technologies with the know-how to build a top notch wimax network. On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 9:05 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Hi All, I've asked before but saw no discussion so here it is again If WISPA gets a chance to give input to the grant process, what should we tell the government? I can't believe that NO ONE here has any input on this at all. Did my last post fail to make it through? Or should we not give any input into the process if given the chance? We'll just let the telco's get all of it then? marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 j...@boonlink.com www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail j...@boonlink.com, and delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to spoofing, spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the message or the source, please contact the sender directly. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] grant funds ideas
If everyone would send these ideas to grantscommit...@wispa.org, I will allow them to go through. The Grants Committee wants your input but does not necessarily read every post on all the listservs. Thanks, Rick -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of John McDowell Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 10:15 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] grant funds ideas I thought I saw some posts on that? My main concern is that I do not want a community to be determined by Census. There are too many small communities of 50-100 people that are not on the census that need broadband. This to me is one of the major pitfalls of the USDA program. I could have funded nearly 20 communities for grants already had the rules left out the Census. There needs to be a better way to determine if a community is indeed a community regardless of whether it is reported as a community or not. The second thing that I would propose is the use of funds for obtaining licensed spectrum, including but not limited to EBS/BRS and PTP microwave links. Thirdly, there should be no salary cap as the USDA puts on Network Administrative positions that must be filled to help manage this growth. Quality Network Engineers and administrators are high paying positions, not to mention, engineers with the experience in RF, cellular-type technologies with the know-how to build a top notch wimax network. On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 9:05 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Hi All, I've asked before but saw no discussion so here it is again If WISPA gets a chance to give input to the grant process, what should we tell the government? I can't believe that NO ONE here has any input on this at all. Did my last post fail to make it through? Or should we not give any input into the process if given the chance? We'll just let the telco's get all of it then? marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 j...@boonlink.com www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail j...@boonlink.com, and delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to spoofing, spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the message or the source, please contact the sender directly. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] grant funds ideas
The ARRA specifically states rural wireless, I would think the telcos are going to have problems with that, or maybe I am wrong. A local telco announced yesterday that they are going after stimulus monies and hired a DC law firm to keep track of what is going on. If telcos try to expand DSL, the cost is going to be huge, same as with cable companies. I think one of the things that should be defined is rural wireless and the rules to play in that field. For instance if a telco comes up with a proposal for an area that we are considering for wireless, the powers that be should consider the costs. Thanks, Victoria Proffer CEO StLouisBroadband.com MissouriRuralWireless.com 314.974.5600 SBA Certified WOSB -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:06 AM To: WISPA General List Cc: legislat...@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] grant funds ideas Hi All, I've asked before but saw no discussion so here it is again If WISPA gets a chance to give input to the grant process, what should we tell the government? I can't believe that NO ONE here has any input on this at all. Did my last post fail to make it through? Or should we not give any input into the process if given the chance? We'll just let the telco's get all of it then? marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] grant funds ideas
If WISPA was to get input on the grant process, I would like to see more home town WISP's ans ISP's get first hand at the funding. Why? simple. Telco's get to have their hands in Gov money 365 days a year. Its called the high cost fund. With that the home town WISP's and ISP's, should be required with any large amounts of grant money to provide some sort of community service. IE First responder access, Library Access, Distance Learning, Community center access etc. Something that actually provides services back to the community that they are getting the money from. And I'm not talking FREE service here, nobody can do that in this economy. Sponsored maybe, discounted definitely. There should also be heavy stipulations on telco's getting funds from this. Telco's using government money have run to many ISP's ans WISP's outa business in the last few years. There should be restrictions that they cannot use these funds to deploy any new competitive services for end users, only upgrade infrastructure, or back haul systems. Fund spending once a company is accepted for the grant should be regulated not by acceptable vendors, but open to bids to create a more competitive buying place and to keep wasteful spending and price fixing at a minimum. Just my 2 cents. I have many other thoughts on the matter but am outa time before my morning meeting. Ryan Ghering Network Operations Manager Premier Systems Unlimited Inc. On Mar 3, 2009 8:05am, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com wrote: Hi All, I've asked before but saw no discussion so here it is again If WISPA gets a chance to give input to the grant process, what should we tell the government? I can't believe that NO ONE here has any input on this at all. Did my last post fail to make it through? Or should we not give any input into the process if given the chance? We'll just let the telco's get all of it then? marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] grant funds ideas
Rick, will you add me to the grants committee list? On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 9:28 AM, Rick Harnish rharn...@wispa.org wrote: If everyone would send these ideas to grantscommit...@wispa.org, I will allow them to go through. The Grants Committee wants your input but does not necessarily read every post on all the listservs. Thanks, Rick -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of John McDowell Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 10:15 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] grant funds ideas I thought I saw some posts on that? My main concern is that I do not want a community to be determined by Census. There are too many small communities of 50-100 people that are not on the census that need broadband. This to me is one of the major pitfalls of the USDA program. I could have funded nearly 20 communities for grants already had the rules left out the Census. There needs to be a better way to determine if a community is indeed a community regardless of whether it is reported as a community or not. The second thing that I would propose is the use of funds for obtaining licensed spectrum, including but not limited to EBS/BRS and PTP microwave links. Thirdly, there should be no salary cap as the USDA puts on Network Administrative positions that must be filled to help manage this growth. Quality Network Engineers and administrators are high paying positions, not to mention, engineers with the experience in RF, cellular-type technologies with the know-how to build a top notch wimax network. On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 9:05 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Hi All, I've asked before but saw no discussion so here it is again If WISPA gets a chance to give input to the grant process, what should we tell the government? I can't believe that NO ONE here has any input on this at all. Did my last post fail to make it through? Or should we not give any input into the process if given the chance? We'll just let the telco's get all of it then? marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 j...@boonlink.com www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail j...@boonlink.com, and delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to spoofing, spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the message or the source, please contact the sender directly. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 j...@boonlink.com www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail j...@boonlink.com, and delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to spoofing, spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the message or the source, please contact the sender directly. WISPA
Re: [WISPA] grant funds ideas
The Government has a definition for rural My town of 26K people just got classified as rural a couple of years ago. This was to help with grants and such Rural is generally based on population of under 20k - 30k Scott - Original Message - From: Lists li...@stlbroadband.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:29 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] grant funds ideas The ARRA specifically states rural wireless, I would think the telcos are going to have problems with that, or maybe I am wrong. A local telco announced yesterday that they are going after stimulus monies and hired a DC law firm to keep track of what is going on. If telcos try to expand DSL, the cost is going to be huge, same as with cable companies. I think one of the things that should be defined is rural wireless and the rules to play in that field. For instance if a telco comes up with a proposal for an area that we are considering for wireless, the powers that be should consider the costs. Thanks, Victoria Proffer CEO StLouisBroadband.com MissouriRuralWireless.com 314.974.5600 SBA Certified WOSB -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:06 AM To: WISPA General List Cc: legislat...@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] grant funds ideas Hi All, I've asked before but saw no discussion so here it is again If WISPA gets a chance to give input to the grant process, what should we tell the government? I can't believe that NO ONE here has any input on this at all. Did my last post fail to make it through? Or should we not give any input into the process if given the chance? We'll just let the telco's get all of it then? marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] grant funds ideas
On Mar 3, 2009, at 10:05 AM, Marlon K. Schafer wrote: I can't believe that NO ONE here has any input on this at all. Did my last post fail to make it through? Or should we not give any input into the process if given the chance? We'll just let the telco's get all of it then? It doesn't matter if you let them or not. They are still getting it. -Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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We all have a substancial amount of capital invested in our own ventures... If the Government would like to reimburse us on our investments before they make the Internet a invaluable investment. I wouldn't have much issue with that. However, from what I see they are just trying to make the Internet a free public right. And for what reason? If someone wants something, free enterprise usually puts it in place with a price. The price is to make sure it benefits the entrepreneur and the customer. Free benefits only the customer. Doesn't build revenue that pays for taxes, employees, sparsk anyones economy Get me drift So, in short what would I like to see., I would like to see grant money go to those that have already embarked on the challenge of populating the rural markets with quality Internet service with Qaulity Customer service behind it. I have yet to receive any communication or dollars from my government, other than to spend more money on their so called public safety initiatives, like calea... ...enough, that should get the sounding board moving...just incase anyone needs to know who posted such a Capitalistic Republican view. Ross Cornett HofNet Communications, Inc. Effingham Illinois. 217 342 6201 ex 100 _ Galatians 6:7-8: Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting. _ - Original Message - From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Cc: legislat...@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:05 AM Subject: [WISPA] grant funds ideas Hi All, I've asked before but saw no discussion so here it is again If WISPA gets a chance to give input to the grant process, what should we tell the government? I can't believe that NO ONE here has any input on this at all. Did my last post fail to make it through? Or should we not give any input into the process if given the chance? We'll just let the telco's get all of it then? marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] grant funds ideas
Done :) -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of John McDowell Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 10:30 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] grant funds ideas Rick, will you add me to the grants committee list? On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 9:28 AM, Rick Harnish rharn...@wispa.org wrote: If everyone would send these ideas to grantscommit...@wispa.org, I will allow them to go through. The Grants Committee wants your input but does not necessarily read every post on all the listservs. Thanks, Rick -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of John McDowell Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 10:15 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] grant funds ideas I thought I saw some posts on that? My main concern is that I do not want a community to be determined by Census. There are too many small communities of 50-100 people that are not on the census that need broadband. This to me is one of the major pitfalls of the USDA program. I could have funded nearly 20 communities for grants already had the rules left out the Census. There needs to be a better way to determine if a community is indeed a community regardless of whether it is reported as a community or not. The second thing that I would propose is the use of funds for obtaining licensed spectrum, including but not limited to EBS/BRS and PTP microwave links. Thirdly, there should be no salary cap as the USDA puts on Network Administrative positions that must be filled to help manage this growth. Quality Network Engineers and administrators are high paying positions, not to mention, engineers with the experience in RF, cellular-type technologies with the know-how to build a top notch wimax network. On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 9:05 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Hi All, I've asked before but saw no discussion so here it is again If WISPA gets a chance to give input to the grant process, what should we tell the government? I can't believe that NO ONE here has any input on this at all. Did my last post fail to make it through? Or should we not give any input into the process if given the chance? We'll just let the telco's get all of it then? marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 j...@boonlink.com www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail j...@boonlink.com, and delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to spoofing, spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the message or the source, please contact the sender directly. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 j...@boonlink.com www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail j...@boonlink.com, and delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to spoofing, spamming, and other tampering, some
Re: [WISPA] grant funds ideas
Our state has a rural connectivity program that is part of our state's utility commission and is preparing for the potential for federal funding. They were interested in mapping, data, and projects. They asked ISPs in the state for our suggestions... Here's what I sent in: The ISPs around the nation are following the topic with interest and seeing how it sorts out. Personally, I'd been hoping for the 10-20% federal tax rebate for new broadband infrastructure that had been in a version of the stimulus bill two days before it was finally signed. That would have improved our ability to invest in infrastructure and projects and have less taxes result, as those investments are typically taxed over a depreciate schedule. If the state were able to do something with the same effect and simplicity, it would reduce the costs of new broadband deployment, it would be technology neutral, and be fair and competitively neutral to all broadband providers, whether incumbent telcos, wisps, clecs, cable companies, etc.. We'd investigated RUS projects before, but the additional associated tasks and initial and ongoing paperwork were not worth the savings of two percent interest rate reduction for example. With the low interest rates now, I don't see RUS loans as terribly attractive. As far as mapping, I doubt there is a uniform method for getting granular details of availability. The FCC has been trying to get more information for their 477 filing, and has delayed it's due date as companies are trying to figure out which census boundaries all their customers are in. We will have to modify our database software to keep track of this. If the state comes up with some sort of system, it's reporting requirements should ideally be minimally burdensome, as it could be difficult for ISPs to generate something custom in a short time interval. As far as wireless goes, coverage is typically estimated on a map, and the accuracy varies tremendously. Fairly accurate maps can be done with software called 'radio mobile', it is difficult to use and quite a bit of confidential information can be deducted from the coverage patterns it produces. It's sort of advanced software that I would not expect all WISPs to have or use. There are companies that make these graphs for people, and one is looking to get in on mapping needs for stimulus projects. http://www.wirelessmapping.com/National%20Map.htm shows a national map made with zipcodes of provider's service areas. http://www.wirelessmapping.com/sample_maps.htm shows some of the types of coverage maps this company can provide. A company like this might be of interest to your mapping needs. For cable coverage, towns may get street level maps during franchise negotiation, but you'd probably have to file FOI requests with each town and hope for the best. As far as consortium style projects, there are several needs common to lots of ISPs. We are basically at the mercy of Fairpoint for fiber within the state to connect towns together. This is a major reason why so many ISPs, Clecs, and other organizations were following the Fairpoint transaction last year so closely. While the fiber is reliable from them, it's not inexpensive or a competitive solution to bringing faster broadband to non-urban areas. Basically, bandwidth between cities and towns in Maine is obscenely expensive, more so than bandwidth between states, when you consider a fiber installtion might serve a smaller magnitude of end users for the cost. Interstate fiber bandwidth is cheap because there is both competition and volume. Maine might utilize some federal broadband funding in conjunction with federal infrastructure construction projects to fund fiber and/or conduits be put in with road reconstruction, rail rehabilitation (e.g. Sprint gets it's name from South Pacific Railroad as the railroad used it's rights of way to provide private line networks and long distance bypassing the monopoly ATT), bridge rehabilitiation, and any other projects improving or disturbing public rights of way where it would be beneficial to install fiber. The fiber would then be available to municipalities, ISPs, telcos, cell companies, businesses, government uses on an open access sort of basis for basically any installation or management costs and without guarantees. Where fiber is needed will of course vary from ISP to ISP as our markets both differ and overlap, but there are other potential users as well, such as the education, municipal, business, etc.. Fiber can also be used now to measure temperatures over it's course, so perhaps there are scientific or weather/environmental opportunities as well. As far as the business angle of this, right now, we pay $X for worldwide Internet bandwidth in Rockland. It probably costs 1/3x in Portland, but the cost of getting it to Rockland is a major expense, and would be more so if companies like GWI hadn't worked hard to maintain access to it
Re: [WISPA] grant funds ideas
Marlon, Also note... Your post was sent to the general list, not the members list. Technically, WISPA's obligation is to only consider the opinions of its members when formulating official WISPA opinion. As well, there is risk in sharing WISPA's strategy with the open public, which include our competitors. This thread would likely be more active, if it was made on the member's list, so comments could be made freely, knowing the audience. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: John McDowell j...@boonlink.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 10:30 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] grant funds ideas Rick, will you add me to the grants committee list? On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 9:28 AM, Rick Harnish rharn...@wispa.org wrote: If everyone would send these ideas to grantscommit...@wispa.org, I will allow them to go through. The Grants Committee wants your input but does not necessarily read every post on all the listservs. Thanks, Rick -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of John McDowell Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 10:15 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] grant funds ideas I thought I saw some posts on that? My main concern is that I do not want a community to be determined by Census. There are too many small communities of 50-100 people that are not on the census that need broadband. This to me is one of the major pitfalls of the USDA program. I could have funded nearly 20 communities for grants already had the rules left out the Census. There needs to be a better way to determine if a community is indeed a community regardless of whether it is reported as a community or not. The second thing that I would propose is the use of funds for obtaining licensed spectrum, including but not limited to EBS/BRS and PTP microwave links. Thirdly, there should be no salary cap as the USDA puts on Network Administrative positions that must be filled to help manage this growth. Quality Network Engineers and administrators are high paying positions, not to mention, engineers with the experience in RF, cellular-type technologies with the know-how to build a top notch wimax network. On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 9:05 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Hi All, I've asked before but saw no discussion so here it is again If WISPA gets a chance to give input to the grant process, what should we tell the government? I can't believe that NO ONE here has any input on this at all. Did my last post fail to make it through? Or should we not give any input into the process if given the chance? We'll just let the telco's get all of it then? marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 j...@boonlink.com www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail j...@boonlink.com, and delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to spoofing, spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the message or the source, please contact the sender directly. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 j...@boonlink.com
Re: [WISPA] grant funds ideas
Victoria, For instance if a telco comes up with a proposal for an area that we are considering for wireless, the powers that be should consider the costs. Great point... Currently rules state that preference will go to proposals that serve the highest percentage of persons within the proposed area. As long as there are large census areas defined as communities, a rich telco with a large project will get preference, regardless of how expensive per user. There definately should be a higher preference on efficiency, meaning the highest number of consumers served per dollar spent. (not per area) IT feasible that the government may not have wanted to prefer efficiency because Fiber will likely be more expensive, and it could be thought that Fiber has more speed, and justified with long term life span fiber would deliver. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Lists li...@stlbroadband.com To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 10:29 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] grant funds ideas The ARRA specifically states rural wireless, I would think the telcos are going to have problems with that, or maybe I am wrong. A local telco announced yesterday that they are going after stimulus monies and hired a DC law firm to keep track of what is going on. If telcos try to expand DSL, the cost is going to be huge, same as with cable companies. I think one of the things that should be defined is rural wireless and the rules to play in that field. For instance if a telco comes up with a proposal for an area that we are considering for wireless, the powers that be should consider the costs. Thanks, Victoria Proffer CEO StLouisBroadband.com MissouriRuralWireless.com 314.974.5600 SBA Certified WOSB -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:06 AM To: WISPA General List Cc: legislat...@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] grant funds ideas Hi All, I've asked before but saw no discussion so here it is again If WISPA gets a chance to give input to the grant process, what should we tell the government? I can't believe that NO ONE here has any input on this at all. Did my last post fail to make it through? Or should we not give any input into the process if given the chance? We'll just let the telco's get all of it then? marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.6/1981 - Release Date: 3/3/2009 7:25 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] grant funds ideas
On Tue, Mar 03, 2009 at 10:54:21AM -0600, Mike Hammett wrote: I would prefer funds be made available to companies: with annual revenues of $1M or less from Internet services What's wrong with exceeding $1 million revenues? I've done so for a while, and I'm sure a bunch of other good local WISPs do to. deploying wireless services with speeds in excess of 10/2 for $100/month or less purchasing other companies, but requiring them to make the network capable of all other requirements (useful in obtaining ideal tower locations and improving monthly revenues from providers unwilling or incapable of doing anything Require wholesale net neutrality, but not retail net neutrality prefer wireless networks over landlines due to cost effectiveness Maybe some sort of graduated system where you offer faster, cheaper service with less restriction and you qualify for higher %ages of grant\loan. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:05 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Cc: legislat...@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] grant funds ideas Hi All, I've asked before but saw no discussion so here it is again If WISPA gets a chance to give input to the grant process, what should we tell the government? I can't believe that NO ONE here has any input on this at all. Did my last post fail to make it through? Or should we not give any input into the process if given the chance? We'll just let the telco's get all of it then? marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] grant funds ideas
I was debating an amount, but it's far easier for companies exceeding $1M in revenues to raise funds than for someone making $100k. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: jp j...@saucer.midcoast.com Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 3:46 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] grant funds ideas On Tue, Mar 03, 2009 at 10:54:21AM -0600, Mike Hammett wrote: I would prefer funds be made available to companies: with annual revenues of $1M or less from Internet services What's wrong with exceeding $1 million revenues? I've done so for a while, and I'm sure a bunch of other good local WISPs do to. deploying wireless services with speeds in excess of 10/2 for $100/month or less purchasing other companies, but requiring them to make the network capable of all other requirements (useful in obtaining ideal tower locations and improving monthly revenues from providers unwilling or incapable of doing anything Require wholesale net neutrality, but not retail net neutrality prefer wireless networks over landlines due to cost effectiveness Maybe some sort of graduated system where you offer faster, cheaper service with less restriction and you qualify for higher %ages of grant\loan. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:05 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Cc: legislat...@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] grant funds ideas Hi All, I've asked before but saw no discussion so here it is again If WISPA gets a chance to give input to the grant process, what should we tell the government? I can't believe that NO ONE here has any input on this at all. Did my last post fail to make it through? Or should we not give any input into the process if given the chance? We'll just let the telco's get all of it then? marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] grant funds ideas
Mike Hammett wrote: with annual revenues of $1M or less from Internet services What's wrong with that? That's only about $83k a month, which if you have a high ARPU could be as few as 800-1000 existing subscribers. I can understand having some sort of revenue cutoff, but that seems awfully low. I'm not sure I agree with the sentiment (why penalize people who have a demonstrated record of success?) but at least I understand it. deploying wireless services with speeds in excess of 10/2 for $100/month or less Is there PtMP gear available right now that can do this on a decent scale, providing that service to 30-50 customers per AP or head-end device, and is reasonably affordable? What is it? I'd like to buy a whole bunch of it. :) Keep in mind that you can't just say oh grants will pay for it all, because not even the government's coffers are bottomless, and the current administration seems to have a bit more focus on getting value for their dollar than the previous one. Given a choice between providing good service to 10,000 people or great service to 1,000, I suspect they'd choose the former. Require wholesale net neutrality, but not retail net neutrality I'm not even sure what this means. prefer wireless networks over landlines due to cost effectiveness There's no guarantee that wireless is always more cost-effective and always will be so. At this time, for low population-density areas, it often is, but that's nowhere near certain. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] grant funds ideas
Maybe a higher value, but my point was that smaller operators can't get money because they're too small. Someone with thousands of customers has the ability to get financing either from a financial institution or private investors far more easily. There's no reason why MT or Star couldn't offer that sort of bandwidth. Another vendor I'm speaking to will have something out this spring that will do the same. The net neutrality comment means that if you sell a retail service, do whatever you want. If you're selling wholesale services, you must not block or prioritize any services. Wireless is more effective for rural areas, which is where the dollars are needed. No grant should go to Naperville, IL or Arlington, TX or Newton, MA where fiber is more effective. Those areas are already served and the current competitive providers should be investing (as Cablevision, Charter, and Verizon are in some areas). - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: David E. Smith d...@mvn.net Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 4:06 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] grant funds ideas Mike Hammett wrote: with annual revenues of $1M or less from Internet services What's wrong with that? That's only about $83k a month, which if you have a high ARPU could be as few as 800-1000 existing subscribers. I can understand having some sort of revenue cutoff, but that seems awfully low. I'm not sure I agree with the sentiment (why penalize people who have a demonstrated record of success?) but at least I understand it. deploying wireless services with speeds in excess of 10/2 for $100/month or less Is there PtMP gear available right now that can do this on a decent scale, providing that service to 30-50 customers per AP or head-end device, and is reasonably affordable? What is it? I'd like to buy a whole bunch of it. :) Keep in mind that you can't just say oh grants will pay for it all, because not even the government's coffers are bottomless, and the current administration seems to have a bit more focus on getting value for their dollar than the previous one. Given a choice between providing good service to 10,000 people or great service to 1,000, I suspect they'd choose the former. Require wholesale net neutrality, but not retail net neutrality I'm not even sure what this means. prefer wireless networks over landlines due to cost effectiveness There's no guarantee that wireless is always more cost-effective and always will be so. At this time, for low population-density areas, it often is, but that's nowhere near certain. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] grant funds ideas
Our last WISPA offically lobbied number was less than $10 million in yearly revenue. It solved the same purpose without excluding some WISPA members. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 5:02 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] grant funds ideas I was debating an amount, but it's far easier for companies exceeding $1M in revenues to raise funds than for someone making $100k. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: jp j...@saucer.midcoast.com Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 3:46 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] grant funds ideas On Tue, Mar 03, 2009 at 10:54:21AM -0600, Mike Hammett wrote: I would prefer funds be made available to companies: with annual revenues of $1M or less from Internet services What's wrong with exceeding $1 million revenues? I've done so for a while, and I'm sure a bunch of other good local WISPs do to. deploying wireless services with speeds in excess of 10/2 for $100/month or less purchasing other companies, but requiring them to make the network capable of all other requirements (useful in obtaining ideal tower locations and improving monthly revenues from providers unwilling or incapable of doing anything Require wholesale net neutrality, but not retail net neutrality prefer wireless networks over landlines due to cost effectiveness Maybe some sort of graduated system where you offer faster, cheaper service with less restriction and you qualify for higher %ages of grant\loan. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:05 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Cc: legislat...@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] grant funds ideas Hi All, I've asked before but saw no discussion so here it is again If WISPA gets a chance to give input to the grant process, what should we tell the government? I can't believe that NO ONE here has any input on this at all. Did my last post fail to make it through? Or should we not give any input into the process if given the chance? We'll just let the telco's get all of it then? marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.6/1981 - Release Date: 3/3/2009 7:25 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] grant funds ideas
That would be fine. I just don't want to see ATT, Verizon, or even someone smaller like Paetec to get anything. They had their chance to build these networks on their own. Now it's our turn. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 5:45 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] grant funds ideas Our last WISPA offically lobbied number was less than $10 million in yearly revenue. It solved the same purpose without excluding some WISPA members. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 5:02 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] grant funds ideas I was debating an amount, but it's far easier for companies exceeding $1M in revenues to raise funds than for someone making $100k. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: jp j...@saucer.midcoast.com Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 3:46 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] grant funds ideas On Tue, Mar 03, 2009 at 10:54:21AM -0600, Mike Hammett wrote: I would prefer funds be made available to companies: with annual revenues of $1M or less from Internet services What's wrong with exceeding $1 million revenues? I've done so for a while, and I'm sure a bunch of other good local WISPs do to. deploying wireless services with speeds in excess of 10/2 for $100/month or less purchasing other companies, but requiring them to make the network capable of all other requirements (useful in obtaining ideal tower locations and improving monthly revenues from providers unwilling or incapable of doing anything Require wholesale net neutrality, but not retail net neutrality prefer wireless networks over landlines due to cost effectiveness Maybe some sort of graduated system where you offer faster, cheaper service with less restriction and you qualify for higher %ages of grant\loan. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- From: Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.com Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 9:05 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Cc: legislat...@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] grant funds ideas Hi All, I've asked before but saw no discussion so here it is again If WISPA gets a chance to give input to the grant process, what should we tell the government? I can't believe that NO ONE here has any input on this at all. Did my last post fail to make it through? Or should we not give any input into the process if given the chance? We'll just let the telco's get all of it then? marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- /* Jason Philbrook | Midcoast Internet Solutions - Wireless and DSL KB1IOJ| Broadband Internet Access, Dialup, and Hosting http://f64.nu/ | for Midcoast Mainehttp://www.midcoast.com/ */ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.6/1981 - Release Date
Re: [WISPA] grant funds ideas
Hiya Tom, Yeah I know where we sent it. As far as I'm concerned we speak for all WISPs. If they want to help control what is said they can join. But we're here if they want to provide input I think that good ideas are good ideas, no matter where they come from. There are some otherwise smart people that are still not members! AND, I already asked this on the members only list and no one bothered to even talk about it there. laters, marlon P.S. I'm not giving out anything that I think will help my competitors :-). - Original Message - From: Tom DeReggi wirelessn...@rapiddsl.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 10:03 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] grant funds ideas Marlon, Also note... Your post was sent to the general list, not the members list. Technically, WISPA's obligation is to only consider the opinions of its members when formulating official WISPA opinion. As well, there is risk in sharing WISPA's strategy with the open public, which include our competitors. This thread would likely be more active, if it was made on the member's list, so comments could be made freely, knowing the audience. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: John McDowell j...@boonlink.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 10:30 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] grant funds ideas Rick, will you add me to the grants committee list? On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 9:28 AM, Rick Harnish rharn...@wispa.org wrote: If everyone would send these ideas to grantscommit...@wispa.org, I will allow them to go through. The Grants Committee wants your input but does not necessarily read every post on all the listservs. Thanks, Rick -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of John McDowell Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2009 10:15 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] grant funds ideas I thought I saw some posts on that? My main concern is that I do not want a community to be determined by Census. There are too many small communities of 50-100 people that are not on the census that need broadband. This to me is one of the major pitfalls of the USDA program. I could have funded nearly 20 communities for grants already had the rules left out the Census. There needs to be a better way to determine if a community is indeed a community regardless of whether it is reported as a community or not. The second thing that I would propose is the use of funds for obtaining licensed spectrum, including but not limited to EBS/BRS and PTP microwave links. Thirdly, there should be no salary cap as the USDA puts on Network Administrative positions that must be filled to help manage this growth. Quality Network Engineers and administrators are high paying positions, not to mention, engineers with the experience in RF, cellular-type technologies with the know-how to build a top notch wimax network. On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 9:05 AM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Hi All, I've asked before but saw no discussion so here it is again If WISPA gets a chance to give input to the grant process, what should we tell the government? I can't believe that NO ONE here has any input on this at all. Did my last post fail to make it through? Or should we not give any input into the process if given the chance? We'll just let the telco's get all of it then? marlon WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 j...@boonlink.com www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail j...@boonlink.com, and delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to spoofing, spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the message or the source, please contact the sender directly. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
