Re: [WISPA] $100 CPE?
Trango does not have a CPE that will work with my 802.11b system. 5ghz around here only gets me a tenth of a mile or so. Michigan is beautiful if trees is what you like. 5ghz only works sometimes on my backhauls if I can get up over 100ft. If they did that with 900, that would be news. A product someone could actually use. Brian Travis Johnson wrote: That they are working on developing a new product that will have bugs, hardware issues, etc. for the first 6-12 months. Trying to get to $100 (without antenna, BTW). Trango has a $149 unit that is from a company that is established, it has a built in antenna, PoE, etc. and is ready to go today. For $30 more, the range goes from 3 miles to 13 miles. ;) Travis Microserv Brian Rohrbacher wrote: http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15749577 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16364972 What does everyone think? -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] $100 CPE?
And don't forget that it's WiFi vs. a proprietary engineered outdoor WISP protocol -Charles --- CWLab Technology Architects http://www.cwlab.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 11:23 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] $100 CPE? That they are working on developing a new product that will have bugs, hardware issues, etc. for the first 6-12 months. Trying to get to $100 (without antenna, BTW). Trango has a $149 unit that is from a company that is established, it has a built in antenna, PoE, etc. and is ready to go today. For $30 more, the range goes from 3 miles to 13 miles. ;) Travis Microserv Brian Rohrbacher wrote: http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15749577 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16364972 What does everyone think? -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] $100 CPE?
I am sure Charles and some are you are thinking the same thing I am on the 400mW unit, something just does not add up when manufactures are doing the same power and the cost of the card is the more then the cost of the full unit! I have not see this exact board but I have see a RTl8186 design that looks just like this one that's 80mW-100mW where the software was changed to output 400mW. When you use a basic power meter the AVERAGE power was 400mW but this is a false positive. With this setup the true power output of the DSSS channel did not go up very much. What did go up was the side lobes (2nd to 5th!) where on channel 6 it took up a full 70Mhz where is can only use 20Mhz! An basic average power meter looks at the full band when taking a power reading which is confusing if you do not have a SA to back up the info. Look at the spec what did no look right was the power output of the OFDM (13.5dBm) vs. the DSSS (26dBm). If they where using a PA is would amp both in DSSS and OFDM modes equally, which is why I think they are just changing the firmware to increase the power on DSSS only. Looking at all the RTL8186 designs I have seen over the past 24 months 13.5 OFDM is 18-20dBm DSSS not 400mW We will have to wait in see what the true case is, most of the WISP that have been in this for a year or so have some type of SA and can do a basic level test to see for themselves. We of course plan on getting one and doing our own level of testing using high end Agilent to test QAM, spectral mask, EVM etc and see what this unit truly is. Bottom line if this is a software patch and not designed to a true 400mW its going to adversely effect WISP network in a major way. Sincerely, Tony Morella Demarc Technology Group, A Wireless Solution Provider Office: 207-667-7583 Fax: 207-433-1008 http://www.demarctech.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Wu Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 10:32 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] $100 CPE? And don't forget that it's WiFi vs. a proprietary engineered outdoor WISP protocol -Charles --- CWLab Technology Architects http://www.cwlab.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 11:23 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] $100 CPE? That they are working on developing a new product that will have bugs, hardware issues, etc. for the first 6-12 months. Trying to get to $100 (without antenna, BTW). Trango has a $149 unit that is from a company that is established, it has a built in antenna, PoE, etc. and is ready to go today. For $30 more, the range goes from 3 miles to 13 miles. ;) Travis Microserv Brian Rohrbacher wrote: http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15749577 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16364972 What does everyone think? -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] $100 CPE?
There is a good opinion I was looking for. That is why I posted this so someone could tell me whats wrong with it. :) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am sure Charles and some are you are thinking the same thing I am on the 400mW unit, something just does not add up when manufactures are doing the same power and the cost of the card is the more then the cost of the full unit! I have not see this exact board but I have see a RTl8186 design that looks just like this one that's 80mW-100mW where the software was changed to output 400mW. When you use a basic power meter the AVERAGE power was 400mW but this is a false positive. With this setup the true power output of the DSSS channel did not go up very much. What did go up was the side lobes (2nd to 5th!) where on channel 6 it took up a full 70Mhz where is can only use 20Mhz! An basic average power meter looks at the full band when taking a power reading which is confusing if you do not have a SA to back up the info. Look at the spec what did no look right was the power output of the OFDM (13.5dBm) vs. the DSSS (26dBm). If they where using a PA is would amp both in DSSS and OFDM modes equally, which is why I think they are just changing the firmware to increase the power on DSSS only. Looking at all the RTL8186 designs I have seen over the past 24 months 13.5 OFDM is 18-20dBm DSSS not 400mW We will have to wait in see what the true case is, most of the WISP that have been in this for a year or so have some type of SA and can do a basic level test to see for themselves. We of course plan on getting one and doing our own level of testing using high end Agilent to test QAM, spectral mask, EVM etc and see what this unit truly is. Bottom line if this is a software patch and not designed to a true 400mW its going to adversely effect WISP network in a major way. Sincerely, Tony Morella Demarc Technology Group, A Wireless Solution Provider Office: 207-667-7583 Fax: 207-433-1008 http://www.demarctech.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Wu Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 10:32 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] $100 CPE? And don't forget that it's WiFi vs. a proprietary engineered outdoor WISP protocol -Charles --- CWLab Technology Architects http://www.cwlab.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 11:23 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] $100 CPE? That they are working on developing a new product that will have bugs, hardware issues, etc. for the first 6-12 months. Trying to get to $100 (without antenna, BTW). Trango has a $149 unit that is from a company that is established, it has a built in antenna, PoE, etc. and is ready to go today. For $30 more, the range goes from 3 miles to 13 miles. ;) Travis Microserv Brian Rohrbacher wrote: http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15749577 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16364972 What does everyone think? -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] $100 CPE?
I'll be darned, that picture shore looks like the Dlink di514/di524 we use in homes? :-) On 6/28/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am sure Charles and some are you are thinking the same thing I am on the 400mW unit, something just does not add up when manufactures are doing the same power and the cost of the card is the more then the cost of the full unit! I have not see this exact board but I have see a RTl8186 design that looks just like this one that's 80mW-100mW where the software was changed to output 400mW. When you use a basic power meter the AVERAGE power was 400mW but this is a false positive. With this setup the true power output of the DSSS channel did not go up very much. What did go up was the side lobes (2nd to 5th!) where on channel 6 it took up a full 70Mhz where is can only use 20Mhz! An basic average power meter looks at the full band when taking a power reading which is confusing if you do not have a SA to back up the info. Look at the spec what did no look right was the power output of the OFDM (13.5dBm) vs. the DSSS (26dBm). If they where using a PA is would amp both in DSSS and OFDM modes equally, which is why I think they are just changing the firmware to increase the power on DSSS only. Looking at all the RTL8186 designs I have seen over the past 24 months 13.5 OFDM is 18-20dBm DSSS not 400mW We will have to wait in see what the true case is, most of the WISP that have been in this for a year or so have some type of SA and can do a basic level test to see for themselves. We of course plan on getting one and doing our own level of testing using high end Agilent to test QAM, spectral mask, EVM etc and see what this unit truly is. Bottom line if this is a software patch and not designed to a true 400mW its going to adversely effect WISP network in a major way. Sincerely, Tony Morella Demarc Technology Group, A Wireless Solution Provider Office: 207-667-7583 Fax: 207-433-1008 http://www.demarctech.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Wu Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 10:32 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] $100 CPE? And don't forget that it's WiFi vs. a proprietary engineered outdoor WISP protocol -Charles --- CWLab Technology Architects http://www.cwlab.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 11:23 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] $100 CPE? That they are working on developing a new product that will have bugs, hardware issues, etc. for the first 6-12 months. Trying to get to $100 (without antenna, BTW). Trango has a $149 unit that is from a company that is established, it has a built in antenna, PoE, etc. and is ready to go today. For $30 more, the range goes from 3 miles to 13 miles. ;) Travis Microserv Brian Rohrbacher wrote: http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15749577 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16364972 What does everyone think? -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] $100 CPE?
Well... I've already found the sub 100 dollar CPE, I just need to import them. It has Atheros A/B/G capability, protected G mode, variable channel width capability, adjustable ack timing, and assorted otehr features.And yes, that has a replaceable a/b/g mini-pci card, POE capable and all. Oh, and it's NOT a bridge. I hope to import some samples and try them out in a few days. And yeah, that's right about $100 for board/radio/power supply. And a much better feature. You don't have to deal with Richard at High Gain Antennas. North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061 personal correspondence to: mark at neofast dot net sales inquiries to: purchasing at neofast dot net Fast Internet, NO WIRES! - - Original Message - From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Conversations over a new WISP Trade Organization wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 6:08 PM Subject: [WISPA] $100 CPE? http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15749577 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16364972 What does everyone think? -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] $100 CPE?
Just what we need: A 400 mw device, that spews noise across most of the
spectrum, coupled to a 12 db 60 degree wide beam antenna. Talk about
blasting noise big time.
{{ sigh }}
North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061
personal correspondence to: mark at neofast dot net
sales inquiries to: purchasing at neofast dot net
Fast Internet, NO WIRES!
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To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 9:07 AM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] $100 CPE?
I am sure Charles and some are you are thinking the same thing I am on the
400mW unit, something just does not add up when manufactures are doing the
same power and the cost of the card is the more then the cost of the full
unit! I have not see this exact board but I have see a RTl8186 design that
looks just like this one that's 80mW-100mW where the software was changed
to
output 400mW. When you use a basic power meter the AVERAGE power was
400mW
but this is a false positive. With this setup the true power output of the
DSSS channel did not go up very much. What did go up was the side lobes
(2nd
to 5th!) where on channel 6 it took up a full 70Mhz where is can only use
20Mhz! An basic average power meter looks at the full band when taking a
power reading which is confusing if you do not have a SA to back up the
info.
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Re: [WISPA] $100 CPE?
No kidding...ease of installation at the expense of # of potential clients
per sector. Sometimes there is a reason things cost. Everything, and I
mean EVERYTHING has a price. If you're not paying for it here, you're
paying for it somewhere else.
Mark Nash
Network Engineer
UnwiredOnline.Net
350 Holly Street
Junction City, OR 97448
http://www.uwol.net
541-998-
541-998-5599 fax
- Original Message -
From: Mark Koskenmaki [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 10:22 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] $100 CPE?
Just what we need: A 400 mw device, that spews noise across most of the
spectrum, coupled to a 12 db 60 degree wide beam antenna. Talk about
blasting noise big time.
{{ sigh }}
North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061
personal correspondence to: mark at neofast dot net
sales inquiries to: purchasing at neofast dot net
Fast Internet, NO WIRES!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 9:07 AM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] $100 CPE?
I am sure Charles and some are you are thinking the same thing I am on
the
400mW unit, something just does not add up when manufactures are doing
the
same power and the cost of the card is the more then the cost of the
full
unit! I have not see this exact board but I have see a RTl8186 design
that
looks just like this one that's 80mW-100mW where the software was
changed
to
output 400mW. When you use a basic power meter the AVERAGE power was
400mW
but this is a false positive. With this setup the true power output of
the
DSSS channel did not go up very much. What did go up was the side lobes
(2nd
to 5th!) where on channel 6 it took up a full 70Mhz where is can only
use
20Mhz! An basic average power meter looks at the full band when taking a
power reading which is confusing if you do not have a SA to back up the
info.
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Re: [WISPA] $100 CPE?
I set my cpe at 15dbm power, and use 18 db antennas. I have found this
adequate for up to 18 miles.
What do you need 400 mw for?
North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061
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- Original Message -
From: Mark Nash [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 10:26 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] $100 CPE?
No kidding...ease of installation at the expense of # of potential clients
per sector. Sometimes there is a reason things cost. Everything, and I
mean EVERYTHING has a price. If you're not paying for it here, you're
paying for it somewhere else.
Mark Nash
Network Engineer
UnwiredOnline.Net
350 Holly Street
Junction City, OR 97448
http://www.uwol.net
541-998-
541-998-5599 fax
- Original Message -
From: Mark Koskenmaki [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 10:22 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] $100 CPE?
Just what we need: A 400 mw device, that spews noise across most of
the
spectrum, coupled to a 12 db 60 degree wide beam antenna. Talk about
blasting noise big time.
{{ sigh }}
North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061
personal correspondence to: mark at neofast dot net
sales inquiries to: purchasing at neofast dot net
Fast Internet, NO WIRES!
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To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org
Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 9:07 AM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] $100 CPE?
I am sure Charles and some are you are thinking the same thing I am on
the
400mW unit, something just does not add up when manufactures are doing
the
same power and the cost of the card is the more then the cost of the
full
unit! I have not see this exact board but I have see a RTl8186 design
that
looks just like this one that's 80mW-100mW where the software was
changed
to
output 400mW. When you use a basic power meter the AVERAGE power was
400mW
but this is a false positive. With this setup the true power output of
the
DSSS channel did not go up very much. What did go up was the side
lobes
(2nd
to 5th!) where on channel 6 it took up a full 70Mhz where is can only
use
20Mhz! An basic average power meter looks at the full band when taking
a
power reading which is confusing if you do not have a SA to back up
the
info.
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RE: [WISPA] $100 CPE?
Cheap Taiwanese / Chinese / Foreign products also contain other hidden costs -- let's think conspiracy theories here =) There was a recent thread (on this list?) about Mikrotik RB532 boards spewing 1 Ghz OOB Noise when being powered w/ -48 VDC PoE (a faulty / cheap regulator -- wasn't following that closely) -- effectively taking down some ambulance communications service / etc What would happen when the DIY WISP deploys such a system -- and takes down some critical communications system, and on the extreme end, someone dies as a result of this -- then they investigate and you realize that you were inadvertently interfering w/ them by using an uncertified system... -Charles --- CWLab Technology Architects http://www.cwlab.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 11:08 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] $100 CPE? I am sure Charles and some are you are thinking the same thing I am on the 400mW unit, something just does not add up when manufactures are doing the same power and the cost of the card is the more then the cost of the full unit! I have not see this exact board but I have see a RTl8186 design that looks just like this one that's 80mW-100mW where the software was changed to output 400mW. When you use a basic power meter the AVERAGE power was 400mW but this is a false positive. With this setup the true power output of the DSSS channel did not go up very much. What did go up was the side lobes (2nd to 5th!) where on channel 6 it took up a full 70Mhz where is can only use 20Mhz! An basic average power meter looks at the full band when taking a power reading which is confusing if you do not have a SA to back up the info. Look at the spec what did no look right was the power output of the OFDM (13.5dBm) vs. the DSSS (26dBm). If they where using a PA is would amp both in DSSS and OFDM modes equally, which is why I think they are just changing the firmware to increase the power on DSSS only. Looking at all the RTL8186 designs I have seen over the past 24 months 13.5 OFDM is 18-20dBm DSSS not 400mW We will have to wait in see what the true case is, most of the WISP that have been in this for a year or so have some type of SA and can do a basic level test to see for themselves. We of course plan on getting one and doing our own level of testing using high end Agilent to test QAM, spectral mask, EVM etc and see what this unit truly is. Bottom line if this is a software patch and not designed to a true 400mW its going to adversely effect WISP network in a major way. Sincerely, Tony Morella Demarc Technology Group, A Wireless Solution Provider Office: 207-667-7583 Fax: 207-433-1008 http://www.demarctech.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Wu Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 10:32 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] $100 CPE? And don't forget that it's WiFi vs. a proprietary engineered outdoor WISP protocol -Charles --- CWLab Technology Architects http://www.cwlab.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 11:23 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] $100 CPE? That they are working on developing a new product that will have bugs, hardware issues, etc. for the first 6-12 months. Trying to get to $100 (without antenna, BTW). Trango has a $149 unit that is from a company that is established, it has a built in antenna, PoE, etc. and is ready to go today. For $30 more, the range goes from 3 miles to 13 miles. ;) Travis Microserv Brian Rohrbacher wrote: http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15749577 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16364972 What does everyone think? -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] $100 CPE?
Not that I disagree with your statement about cheap equipment and getting what you pay for, but the uncertified comment doesn't make any sense. You don't certify a POE, you certify the radio and antenna, or am I missing something here? Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless Charles Wu wrote: Cheap Taiwanese / Chinese / Foreign products also contain other hidden costs -- let's think conspiracy theories here =) There was a recent thread (on this list?) about Mikrotik RB532 boards spewing 1 Ghz OOB Noise when being powered w/ -48 VDC PoE (a faulty / cheap regulator -- wasn't following that closely) -- effectively taking down some ambulance communications service / etc What would happen when the DIY WISP deploys such a system -- and takes down some critical communications system, and on the extreme end, someone dies as a result of this -- then they investigate and you realize that you were inadvertently interfering w/ them by using an uncertified system... -Charles --- CWLab Technology Architects http://www.cwlab.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 11:08 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] $100 CPE? I am sure Charles and some are you are thinking the same thing I am on the 400mW unit, something just does not add up when manufactures are doing the same power and the cost of the card is the more then the cost of the full unit! I have not see this exact board but I have see a RTl8186 design that looks just like this one that's 80mW-100mW where the software was changed to output 400mW. When you use a basic power meter the AVERAGE power was 400mW but this is a false positive. With this setup the true power output of the DSSS channel did not go up very much. What did go up was the side lobes (2nd to 5th!) where on channel 6 it took up a full 70Mhz where is can only use 20Mhz! An basic average power meter looks at the full band when taking a power reading which is confusing if you do not have a SA to back up the info. Look at the spec what did no look right was the power output of the OFDM (13.5dBm) vs. the DSSS (26dBm). If they where using a PA is would amp both in DSSS and OFDM modes equally, which is why I think they are just changing the firmware to increase the power on DSSS only. Looking at all the RTL8186 designs I have seen over the past 24 months 13.5 OFDM is 18-20dBm DSSS not 400mW We will have to wait in see what the true case is, most of the WISP that have been in this for a year or so have some type of SA and can do a basic level test to see for themselves. We of course plan on getting one and doing our own level of testing using high end Agilent to test QAM, spectral mask, EVM etc and see what this unit truly is. Bottom line if this is a software patch and not designed to a true 400mW its going to adversely effect WISP network in a major way. Sincerely, Tony Morella Demarc Technology Group, A Wireless Solution Provider Office: 207-667-7583 Fax: 207-433-1008 http://www.demarctech.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Wu Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 10:32 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] $100 CPE? And don't forget that it's WiFi vs. a proprietary engineered outdoor WISP protocol -Charles --- CWLab Technology Architects http://www.cwlab.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Travis Johnson Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 11:23 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] $100 CPE? That they are working on developing a new product that will have bugs, hardware issues, etc. for the first 6-12 months. Trying to get to $100 (without antenna, BTW). Trango has a $149 unit that is from a company that is established, it has a built in antenna, PoE, etc. and is ready to go today. For $30 more, the range goes from 3 miles to 13 miles. ;) Travis Microserv Brian Rohrbacher wrote: http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15749577 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16364972 What does everyone think? -- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] $100 CPE?
That they are working on developing a new product that will have bugs, hardware issues, etc. for the first 6-12 months. Trying to get to $100 (without antenna, BTW). Trango has a $149 unit that is from a company that is established, it has a built in antenna, PoE, etc. and is ready to go today. For $30 more, the range goes from 3 miles to 13 miles. ;) Travis Microserv Brian Rohrbacher wrote: http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15749577 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16364972 What does everyone think? -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] $100 CPE?
for the trango stuff in 100qty the dishes are $36. and for what it's worth we plan on trying out the atlas fox gear immediately as it looks to have a good place in our network. non-proprietary gear likely will always have a place too. but that's beside the point. What highgainantennas is putting out has a version that includes a 12db antenna still under $100. Yes it is a 802.11b/g unit but there are many hookups every day using a CB3 or equiv. http://www.highgainantennas.com/category_s/87.htm Price with a 12db panel is $92 and has a 400mw radio in it. I sure think plenty of Wisps will at the very least try this thing out. Different tools for different problems... It sounds like they are shipping these very soon too. On 6/27/06, Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That they are working on developing a new product that will have bugs, hardware issues, etc. for the first 6-12 months. Trying to get to $100 (without antenna, BTW). Trango has a $149 unit that is from a company that is established, it has a built in antenna, PoE, etc. and is ready to go today. For $30 more, the range goes from 3 miles to 13 miles. ;) Travis Microserv Brian Rohrbacher wrote: http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15749577 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16364972 What does everyone think? -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] $100 CPE?
I never understood the 60*x60* beamwidth when the same form factor for the fox5800 has a 32x18 beamwidth. Seems like a very poor design which makes it harder to keep noise floor and interference at a minimum. Surely the narrowing of the beamwidth cannot account for more than doubling the cost... Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless Travis Johnson wrote: That they are working on developing a new product that will have bugs, hardware issues, etc. for the first 6-12 months. Trying to get to $100 (without antenna, BTW). Trango has a $149 unit that is from a company that is established, it has a built in antenna, PoE, etc. and is ready to go today. For $30 more, the range goes from 3 miles to 13 miles. ;) Travis Microserv Brian Rohrbacher wrote: http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,15749577 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,16364972 What does everyone think? -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] $100 CPE?
QTY 30 is what i meant. unless they offer larger quantities a steeper discount that is not reflected on their online catalog... On 6/27/06, fred [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: for the trango stuff in 100qty the dishes are $36. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
