Re: [WISPA] Hotel Chains IT contacts for Regions?
Look into hotel management companies. We have a small handful of motel accounts and they have all come from the managment companies that own a bunch of properties of a variety of chains. We do not have any Hilton or Marriott accounts. Joe On Feb 16, 2014, at 10:12 AM, Mike Hammett wrote: Are you trying to get your services into hotels? I am as well and would appreciate any help I can get. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: WISPA General List (wireless@wispa.org) wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 7:10:13 AM Subject: [WISPA] Hotel Chains IT contacts for Regions? Guys, Do you know if the Big Hotel Chains like Hilton, Starwood, Marriot have like Regional IT Directors? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Hotel Chains IT contacts for Regions?
Are you trying to get your services into hotels? I am as well and would appreciate any help I can get. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: WISPA General List (wireless@wispa.org) wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 7:10:13 AM Subject: [WISPA] Hotel Chains IT contacts for Regions? Guys, Do you know if the Big Hotel Chains like Hilton, Starwood, Marriot have like Regional IT Directors? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Hotel Chains IT contacts for Regions?
In my experience hotels always want you to manage there network for free I would stay away.. Getting service to apartment complex buildings now that is something knowing how to sell would be useful— Sent from Mailbox for iPhone On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 11:12 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: Are you trying to get your services into hotels? I am as well and would appreciate any help I can get. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com To: WISPA General List (wireless@wispa.org) wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 7:10:13 AM Subject: [WISPA] Hotel Chains IT contacts for Regions? Guys, Do you know if the Big Hotel Chains like Hilton, Starwood, Marriot have like Regional IT Directors? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Hotel Chains IT contacts for Regions?
Why shy away from a hotel? Sell them a managed service. Nothing wrong with that. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of timothy steele Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2014 1:01 PM To: WISPA General List Cc: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel Chains IT contacts for Regions? In my experience hotels always want you to manage there network for free I would stay away.. Getting service to apartment complex buildings now that is something knowing how to sell would be useful — Sent from Mailbox https://www.dropbox.com/mailbox for iPhone On Sun, Feb 16, 2014 at 11:12 AM, Mike Hammett wispawirel...@ics-il.net mailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net wrote: Are you trying to get your services into hotels? I am as well and would appreciate any help I can get. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com _ From: Gino Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com To: WISPA General List (wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org ) wireless@wispa.org mailto:wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 7:10:13 AM Subject: [WISPA] Hotel Chains IT contacts for Regions? Guys, Do you know if the Big Hotel Chains like Hilton, Starwood, Marriot have like Regional IT Directors? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com mailto:g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org mailto:Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Hotel Chains IT contacts for Regions?
Jorge, thanks for this info, what would be the best way to approach them? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.commailto:g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jorge Santiago Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 9:38 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel Chains IT contacts for Regions? Hi Gino, Yes they do. Hilton has a corporate IT department that manages all properties, locally and worldwide. I worked at Starwood PR as IT Director back in the days. Marriott also has a similar setup to Hilton. Are you looking at these properties in PR? On Thursday, January 16, 2014, Gino Villarini wrote: Guys, Do you know if the Big Hotel Chains like Hilton, Starwood, Marriot have like Regional IT Directors? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.comjavascript:_e(%7b%7d,%20'cvml',%20'g...@aeronetpr.com'); Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
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With a bribe! J From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Gino Villarini Sent: Friday, January 17, 2014 1:06 PM To: WISPA General List Cc: Jorge Santiago (jorge_santi...@otowfl.com) Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel Chains IT contacts for Regions? Jorge, thanks for this info, what would be the best way to approach them? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Jorge Santiago Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 9:38 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel Chains IT contacts for Regions? Hi Gino, Yes they do. Hilton has a corporate IT department that manages all properties, locally and worldwide. I worked at Starwood PR as IT Director back in the days. Marriott also has a similar setup to Hilton. Are you looking at these properties in PR? On Thursday, January 16, 2014, Gino Villarini wrote: Guys, Do you know if the Big Hotel Chains like Hilton, Starwood, Marriot have like Regional IT Directors? Gino A. Villarini g...@aeronetpr.com javascript:_e(%7b%7d,%20'cvml',%20'g...@aeronetpr.com'); Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. 787.273.4143 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Hotel Chains IT contacts for Regions?
Hi Gino,
Yes they do. Hilton has a corporate IT department that manages all
properties, locally and worldwide.
I worked at Starwood PR as IT Director back in the days. Marriott also has
a similar setup to Hilton.
Are you looking at these properties in PR?
On Thursday, January 16, 2014, Gino Villarini wrote:
Guys,
Do you know if the Big Hotel Chains like Hilton, Starwood, Marriot have
like Regional IT Directors?
Gino A. Villarini
g...@aeronetpr.com javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'g...@aeronetpr.com');
Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp.
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Re: [WISPA] Hotel Redirect
Blake, This worked perfect. Anything using dst-nat was un-reliable as the browser would cache the page, So even since they were past the redirect part, The local machine would still load the same page for whatever site the person requested originally. However, using web-proxy it redirects the request perfectly. I appreciate all the help I got on this one. Thanks to everyone. Nick Olsen Network Operations (855) FLSPEED x106 From: Blake Covarrubias bl...@beamspeed.com Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 5:09 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel Redirect How about this? /ip firewall nat add chain=dstnat in-interface=ether2 protocol=tcp dst-port=80 action=accept src-address-list=proxy-bypass add chain=dstnat in-interface=ether2 protocol=tcp dst-port=80 action=add-src-to-address-list address-list=proxy-bypass address-list-timeout=1d add chain=dstnat in-interface=ether2 protocol=tcp dst-port=80 action=redirect to-ports=8080 /ip proxy set enabled=yes port=8080 /ip proxy access add dst-port=80 action=allow dst-host=www.hotel.tld add dst-port=80 action=deny redirect-to=www.hotel.tld If you're not using proxy for anything else then it works great. Although, it does not allow them to simply reload the page to reach the URL they initially intended. The user would have to issue a totally new request to see the content they desire. -- Blake Covarrubias Network Manager / IT Consultant Beamspeed, LLC On Jan 6, 2011, at 1:41 PM, David E. Smith wrote: On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 14:20, Nick Olsen n...@flhsi.com wrote: Normally Hotspot works with a I accept button on a page, As thats what we have done in the past. I don't mind getting a call when a user has a tivo/gamesystem/* that can't login as they can read me the mac and I can bypass it. The point with this is it goes to a page we don't control, And can't really change at all. Could you do something crazy like put their site in an iframe? Have the parent page include their mandatory page, and a bit of JavaScript. That JavaScript has their MAC embedded in a link, using the same sort of link as the click to accept TOS link, which auto-refreshes after one second (thus logging them in as though they'd clicked that link themselves). Then add their page (and whatever other things it uses) to the walled-garden. Yes, this fails if they disable JavaScript, but it's a reasonable price to pay. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Hotel Redirect
I was doing the same thing but after so many calls about whatever device someone was trying to use that wouldn't go through the redirect, I turned it off. The final straw was some IBM people were having a meeting at the hotel and were trying to use the wireless access for every big shot wireless device one could think of. Some would go but the ones that had to work in secure mode wouldn't allow the redirect. Bogus. Turned it off and the calls went away. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Nick Olsen Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 1:46 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Hotel Redirect We are looking for a way to redirect hotel guests to the hotels home page on the first page load. We are looking for something that does this in mikrotik because thats what we have on location already. The idea is that the user connects up, Hits the internet and is redirected to a page. And then, On the next page load without hitting login or something they go to the page they requested. We use hotspot for our own stuff, And have used hotspot on this before using the trial function but this time around we don't control the page that the user is brought to. So we couldn't add some form of login button to it. I've tried this with dst-nat rules and browser caching always gets in the way. What is everyone else doing? Nick Olsen Network Operations (855) FLSPEED x106 http://www.flhsi.com/files/emaillogo.jpg WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Hotel Redirect
What is the purpose? Is it just advertising for the hotel? If so, why not just creat a page that looks like their page. It doesn't have to have all the functionality of the real page, just a brochure page or something to say thanks for staying with us. Then you could add a button that logs them in (really just adds them as a generic user to the hotspot) so they can continue on to their regular home page. Just an idea. Cameron On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 12:55 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: I was doing the same thing but after so many calls about whatever device someone was trying to use that wouldn’t go through the redirect, I turned it off. The final straw was some IBM people were having a meeting at the hotel and were trying to use the wireless access for every big shot wireless device one could think of. Some would go but the ones that had to work in secure mode wouldn’t allow the redirect. Bogus. Turned it off and the calls went away. *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Nick Olsen *Sent:* Thursday, January 06, 2011 1:46 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* [WISPA] Hotel Redirect We are looking for a way to redirect hotel guests to the hotels home page on the first page load. We are looking for something that does this in mikrotik because thats what we have on location already. The idea is that the user connects up, Hits the internet and is redirected to a page. And then, On the next page load without hitting login or something they go to the page they requested. We use hotspot for our own stuff, And have used hotspot on this before using the trial function but this time around we don't control the page that the user is brought to. So we couldn't add some form of login button to it. I've tried this with dst-nat rules and browser caching always gets in the way. What is everyone else doing? Nick Olsen Network Operations (855) FLSPEED x106 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Hotel Redirect
You could also put in a link to the real hotel page and put that url in the walled garden so they can hit it no matter what, even on the first try. Cameron On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 1:05 PM, Cameron Crum cc...@wispmon.com wrote: What is the purpose? Is it just advertising for the hotel? If so, why not just creat a page that looks like their page. It doesn't have to have all the functionality of the real page, just a brochure page or something to say thanks for staying with us. Then you could add a button that logs them in (really just adds them as a generic user to the hotspot) so they can continue on to their regular home page. Just an idea. Cameron On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 12:55 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: I was doing the same thing but after so many calls about whatever device someone was trying to use that wouldn’t go through the redirect, I turned it off. The final straw was some IBM people were having a meeting at the hotel and were trying to use the wireless access for every big shot wireless device one could think of. Some would go but the ones that had to work in secure mode wouldn’t allow the redirect. Bogus. Turned it off and the calls went away. *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On Behalf Of *Nick Olsen *Sent:* Thursday, January 06, 2011 1:46 PM *To:* WISPA General List *Subject:* [WISPA] Hotel Redirect We are looking for a way to redirect hotel guests to the hotels home page on the first page load. We are looking for something that does this in mikrotik because thats what we have on location already. The idea is that the user connects up, Hits the internet and is redirected to a page. And then, On the next page load without hitting login or something they go to the page they requested. We use hotspot for our own stuff, And have used hotspot on this before using the trial function but this time around we don't control the page that the user is brought to. So we couldn't add some form of login button to it. I've tried this with dst-nat rules and browser caching always gets in the way. What is everyone else doing? Nick Olsen Network Operations (855) FLSPEED x106 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Hotel Redirect
That would work for some of them, In this case, The hotel management company has a page that the hotel must redirect to. They get fined if it doesn't redirect to the companies specific page. I'm thinking maybe load it in a frame, or something. And have a login button above it or something. Was hoping someone had a cleaner way. Nick Olsen Network Operations (855) FLSPEED x106 From: Cameron Crum cc...@wispmon.com Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 2:04 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel Redirect What is the purpose? Is it just advertising for the hotel? If so, why not just creat a page that looks like their page. It doesn't have to have all the functionality of the real page, just a brochure page or something to say thanks for staying with us. Then you could add a button that logs them in (really just adds them as a generic user to the hotspot) so they can continue on to their regular home page. Just an idea. Cameron On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 12:55 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: I was doing the same thing but after so many calls about whatever device someone was trying to use that wouldn't go through the redirect, I turned it off. The final straw was some IBM people were having a meeting at the hotel and were trying to use the wireless access for every big shot wireless device one could think of. Some would go but the ones that had to work in secure mode wouldn't allow the redirect. Bogus. Turned it off and the calls went away. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Nick Olsen Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 1:46 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Hotel Redirect We are looking for a way to redirect hotel guests to the hotels home page on the first page load. We are looking for something that does this in mikrotik because thats what we have on location already. The idea is that the user connects up, Hits the internet and is redirected to a page. And then, On the next page load without hitting login or something they go to the page they requested. We use hotspot for our own stuff, And have used hotspot on this before using the trial function but this time around we don't control the page that the user is brought to. So we couldn't add some form of login button to it. I've tried this with dst-nat rules and browser caching always gets in the way. What is everyone else doing? Nick Olsen Network Operations (855) FLSPEED x106 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Hotel Redirect
At the beginning it was a disclaimer page that the hotel operator wanted to have at the suggestion of his lawyer. Basically it would say It's free but everyone else is also on it and don't come crying to me if your computer or finances get all jacked up. The Patel wanted to try to make a buck and sell ad's on the splash page. But it's gone now. Thankfully. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Cameron Crum Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 2:05 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel Redirect What is the purpose? Is it just advertising for the hotel? If so, why not just creat a page that looks like their page. It doesn't have to have all the functionality of the real page, just a brochure page or something to say thanks for staying with us. Then you could add a button that logs them in (really just adds them as a generic user to the hotspot) so they can continue on to their regular home page. Just an idea. Cameron On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 12:55 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: I was doing the same thing but after so many calls about whatever device someone was trying to use that wouldn't go through the redirect, I turned it off. The final straw was some IBM people were having a meeting at the hotel and were trying to use the wireless access for every big shot wireless device one could think of. Some would go but the ones that had to work in secure mode wouldn't allow the redirect. Bogus. Turned it off and the calls went away. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Nick Olsen Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 1:46 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Hotel Redirect We are looking for a way to redirect hotel guests to the hotels home page on the first page load. We are looking for something that does this in mikrotik because thats what we have on location already. The idea is that the user connects up, Hits the internet and is redirected to a page. And then, On the next page load without hitting login or something they go to the page they requested. We use hotspot for our own stuff, And have used hotspot on this before using the trial function but this time around we don't control the page that the user is brought to. So we couldn't add some form of login button to it. I've tried this with dst-nat rules and browser caching always gets in the way. What is everyone else doing? Nick Olsen Network Operations (855) FLSPEED x106 Error! Filename not specified. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Hotel Redirect
On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 13:31, Nick Olsen n...@flhsi.com wrote: That would work for some of them, In this case, The hotel management company has a page that the hotel must redirect to. They get fined if it doesn't redirect to the companies specific page. I'm thinking maybe load it in a frame, or something. And have a login button above it or something. Was hoping someone had a cleaner way. I'm doing something very similar to this. I just put the whole mandatory page on the Mikrotik box itself, and made the I agree to the TOS link into a silently log this MAC into the hotspot for 24 hours link. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Hotel Redirect
The problem that I was seeing was that there are many wireless devices now that don't have any screen to see a login button. Game systems being the first on my mind. In hotels, some guests bring their kids game system to keep them from running the halls.. How can you get these basically blind systems to punch through a page like that? I never had the time to get the workaround. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Nick Olsen Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 2:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel Redirect That would work for some of them, In this case, The hotel management company has a page that the hotel must redirect to. They get fined if it doesn't redirect to the companies specific page. I'm thinking maybe load it in a frame, or something. And have a login button above it or something. Was hoping someone had a cleaner way. Nick Olsen Network Operations (855) FLSPEED x106 http://www.flhsi.com/files/emaillogo.jpg _ From: Cameron Crum cc...@wispmon.com Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 2:04 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel Redirect What is the purpose? Is it just advertising for the hotel? If so, why not just creat a page that looks like their page. It doesn't have to have all the functionality of the real page, just a brochure page or something to say thanks for staying with us. Then you could add a button that logs them in (really just adds them as a generic user to the hotspot) so they can continue on to their regular home page. Just an idea. Cameron On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 12:55 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: I was doing the same thing but after so many calls about whatever device someone was trying to use that wouldn't go through the redirect, I turned it off. The final straw was some IBM people were having a meeting at the hotel and were trying to use the wireless access for every big shot wireless device one could think of. Some would go but the ones that had to work in secure mode wouldn't allow the redirect. Bogus. Turned it off and the calls went away. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Nick Olsen Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 1:46 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Hotel Redirect We are looking for a way to redirect hotel guests to the hotels home page on the first page load. We are looking for something that does this in mikrotik because thats what we have on location already. The idea is that the user connects up, Hits the internet and is redirected to a page. And then, On the next page load without hitting login or something they go to the page they requested. We use hotspot for our own stuff, And have used hotspot on this before using the trial function but this time around we don't control the page that the user is brought to. So we couldn't add some form of login button to it. I've tried this with dst-nat rules and browser caching always gets in the way. What is everyone else doing? Nick Olsen Network Operations (855) FLSPEED x106 Error! Filename not specified. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Hotel Redirect
On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 13:45, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: The problem that I was seeing was that there are many wireless devices now that don’t have any “screen” to see a login button. Game systems being the first on my mind. In hotels, some guests bring their kids game system to keep them from running the halls…… How can you get these basically blind systems to punch through a page like that? I suppose, in that case, you could keep a few wireless bridges around to lend to guests, with crossover cables, with their MACs already pre-authorized. (Might have to have it do NAT, so the AP only sees its MAC and not the MAC of the Xbox or whatever. Depends on the device.) Or get the system's MAC, but that adds a lot of extra complications (your hotel clerks now need to know how to get that information from every device ever made, and how to add the MAC to an ACL somewhere). David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Hotel Redirect
Possibly a simple screen the desk people can use to see what MAC ID is attempting to login and do a manual authorize? It's in my mind now That's a relief. Finally not thinking about where baby oil comes from.. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 2:46 PM To: n...@flhsi.com; 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel Redirect The problem that I was seeing was that there are many wireless devices now that don't have any screen to see a login button. Game systems being the first on my mind. In hotels, some guests bring their kids game system to keep them from running the halls.. How can you get these basically blind systems to punch through a page like that? I never had the time to get the workaround. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Nick Olsen Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 2:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel Redirect That would work for some of them, In this case, The hotel management company has a page that the hotel must redirect to. They get fined if it doesn't redirect to the companies specific page. I'm thinking maybe load it in a frame, or something. And have a login button above it or something. Was hoping someone had a cleaner way. Nick Olsen Network Operations (855) FLSPEED x106 http://www.flhsi.com/files/emaillogo.jpg _ From: Cameron Crum cc...@wispmon.com Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 2:04 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel Redirect What is the purpose? Is it just advertising for the hotel? If so, why not just creat a page that looks like their page. It doesn't have to have all the functionality of the real page, just a brochure page or something to say thanks for staying with us. Then you could add a button that logs them in (really just adds them as a generic user to the hotspot) so they can continue on to their regular home page. Just an idea. Cameron On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 12:55 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: I was doing the same thing but after so many calls about whatever device someone was trying to use that wouldn't go through the redirect, I turned it off. The final straw was some IBM people were having a meeting at the hotel and were trying to use the wireless access for every big shot wireless device one could think of. Some would go but the ones that had to work in secure mode wouldn't allow the redirect. Bogus. Turned it off and the calls went away. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Nick Olsen Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 1:46 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Hotel Redirect We are looking for a way to redirect hotel guests to the hotels home page on the first page load. We are looking for something that does this in mikrotik because thats what we have on location already. The idea is that the user connects up, Hits the internet and is redirected to a page. And then, On the next page load without hitting login or something they go to the page they requested. We use hotspot for our own stuff, And have used hotspot on this before using the trial function but this time around we don't control the page that the user is brought to. So we couldn't add some form of login button to it. I've tried this with dst-nat rules and browser caching always gets in the way. What is everyone else doing? Nick Olsen Network Operations (855) FLSPEED x106 Error! Filename not specified. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Hotel Redirect
Normally Hotspot works with a I accept button on a page, As thats what we have done in the past. I don't mind getting a call when a user has a tivo/gamesystem/* that can't login as they can read me the mac and I can bypass it. The point with this is it goes to a page we don't control, And can't really change at all. Nick Olsen Network Operations (855) FLSPEED x106 From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 2:49 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel Redirect Possibly a simple screen the desk people can use to see what MAC ID is attempting to login and do a manual authorize? It's in my mind now That's a relief. Finally not thinking about where baby oil comes from.. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 2:46 PM To: n...@flhsi.com; 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel Redirect The problem that I was seeing was that there are many wireless devices now that don't have any screen to see a login button. Game systems being the first on my mind. In hotels, some guests bring their kids game system to keep them from running the halls.. How can you get these basically blind systems to punch through a page like that? I never had the time to get the workaround. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Nick Olsen Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 2:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel Redirect That would work for some of them, In this case, The hotel management company has a page that the hotel must redirect to. They get fined if it doesn't redirect to the companies specific page. I'm thinking maybe load it in a frame, or something. And have a login button above it or something. Was hoping someone had a cleaner way. Nick Olsen Network Operations (855) FLSPEED x106 From: Cameron Crum cc...@wispmon.com Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 2:04 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel Redirect What is the purpose? Is it just advertising for the hotel? If so, why not just creat a page that looks like their page. It doesn't have to have all the functionality of the real page, just a brochure page or something to say thanks for staying with us. Then you could add a button that logs them in (really just adds them as a generic user to the hotspot) so they can continue on to their regular home page. Just an idea. Cameron On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 12:55 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: I was doing the same thing but after so many calls about whatever device someone was trying to use that wouldn't go through the redirect, I turned it off. The final straw was some IBM people were having a meeting at the hotel and were trying to use the wireless access for every big shot wireless device one could think of. Some would go but the ones that had to work in secure mode wouldn't allow the redirect. Bogus. Turned it off and the calls went away. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Nick Olsen Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 1:46 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Hotel Redirect We are looking for a way to redirect hotel guests to the hotels home page on the first page load. We are looking for something that does this in mikrotik because thats what we have on location already. The idea is that the user connects up, Hits the internet and is redirected to a page. And then, On the next page load without hitting login or something they go to the page they requested. We use hotspot for our own stuff, And have used hotspot on this before using the trial function but this time around we don't control the page that the user is brought to. So we couldn't add some form of login button to it. I've tried this with dst-nat rules and browser caching always gets in the way. What is everyone else doing? Nick Olsen Network Operations (855) FLSPEED x106 Error! Filename not specified. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Hotel Redirect
I hear ya, brother. I hear ya. These hotel higher ups need to get with the Now on this wireless. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Nick Olsen Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 3:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel Redirect Normally Hotspot works with a I accept button on a page, As thats what we have done in the past. I don't mind getting a call when a user has a tivo/gamesystem/* that can't login as they can read me the mac and I can bypass it. The point with this is it goes to a page we don't control, And can't really change at all. Nick Olsen Network Operations (855) FLSPEED x106 http://www.flhsi.com/files/emaillogo.jpg _ From: Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 2:49 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel Redirect Possibly a simple screen the desk people can use to see what MAC ID is attempting to login and do a manual authorize? It's in my mind now That's a relief. Finally not thinking about where baby oil comes from.. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 2:46 PM To: n...@flhsi.com; 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel Redirect The problem that I was seeing was that there are many wireless devices now that don't have any screen to see a login button. Game systems being the first on my mind. In hotels, some guests bring their kids game system to keep them from running the halls.. How can you get these basically blind systems to punch through a page like that? I never had the time to get the workaround. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Nick Olsen Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 2:31 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel Redirect That would work for some of them, In this case, The hotel management company has a page that the hotel must redirect to. They get fined if it doesn't redirect to the companies specific page. I'm thinking maybe load it in a frame, or something. And have a login button above it or something. Was hoping someone had a cleaner way. Nick Olsen Network Operations (855) FLSPEED x106 http://www.flhsi.com/files/emaillogo.jpg _ From: Cameron Crum cc...@wispmon.com Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 2:04 PM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel Redirect What is the purpose? Is it just advertising for the hotel? If so, why not just creat a page that looks like their page. It doesn't have to have all the functionality of the real page, just a brochure page or something to say thanks for staying with us. Then you could add a button that logs them in (really just adds them as a generic user to the hotspot) so they can continue on to their regular home page. Just an idea. Cameron On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 12:55 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: I was doing the same thing but after so many calls about whatever device someone was trying to use that wouldn't go through the redirect, I turned it off. The final straw was some IBM people were having a meeting at the hotel and were trying to use the wireless access for every big shot wireless device one could think of. Some would go but the ones that had to work in secure mode wouldn't allow the redirect. Bogus. Turned it off and the calls went away. From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Nick Olsen Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 1:46 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Hotel Redirect We are looking for a way to redirect hotel guests to the hotels home page on the first page load. We are looking for something that does this in mikrotik because thats what we have on location already. The idea is that the user connects up, Hits the internet and is redirected to a page. And then, On the next page load without hitting login or something they go to the page they requested. We use hotspot for our own stuff, And have used hotspot on this before using the trial function but this time around we don't control the page that the user is brought to. So we couldn't add some form of login button to it. I've tried this with dst-nat rules and browser caching always gets in the way. What is everyone else doing? Nick Olsen Network Operations (855) FLSPEED x106 Error! Filename not specified. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Hotel Redirect
On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 14:20, Nick Olsen n...@flhsi.com wrote: Normally Hotspot works with a I accept button on a page, As thats what we have done in the past. I don't mind getting a call when a user has a tivo/gamesystem/* that can't login as they can read me the mac and I can bypass it. The point with this is it goes to a page we don't control, And can't really change at all. Could you do something crazy like put their site in an iframe? Have the parent page include their mandatory page, and a bit of JavaScript. That JavaScript has their MAC embedded in a link, using the same sort of link as the click to accept TOS link, which auto-refreshes after one second (thus logging them in as though they'd clicked that link themselves). Then add their page (and whatever other things it uses) to the walled-garden. Yes, this fails if they disable JavaScript, but it's a reasonable price to pay. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Hotel Redirect
How about this? /ip firewall nat add chain=dstnat in-interface=ether2 protocol=tcp dst-port=80 action=accept src-address-list=proxy-bypass add chain=dstnat in-interface=ether2 protocol=tcp dst-port=80 action=add-src-to-address-list address-list=proxy-bypass address-list-timeout=1d add chain=dstnat in-interface=ether2 protocol=tcp dst-port=80 action=redirect to-ports=8080 /ip proxy set enabled=yes port=8080 /ip proxy access add dst-port=80 action=allow dst-host=www.hotel.tld add dst-port=80 action=deny redirect-to=www.hotel.tld If you're not using proxy for anything else then it works great. Although, it does not allow them to simply reload the page to reach the URL they initially intended. The user would have to issue a totally new request to see the content they desire. -- Blake Covarrubias Network Manager / IT Consultant Beamspeed, LLC On Jan 6, 2011, at 1:41 PM, David E. Smith wrote: On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 14:20, Nick Olsen n...@flhsi.com wrote: Normally Hotspot works with a I accept button on a page, As thats what we have done in the past. I don't mind getting a call when a user has a tivo/gamesystem/* that can't login as they can read me the mac and I can bypass it. The point with this is it goes to a page we don't control, And can't really change at all. Could you do something crazy like put their site in an iframe? Have the parent page include their mandatory page, and a bit of JavaScript. That JavaScript has their MAC embedded in a link, using the same sort of link as the click to accept TOS link, which auto-refreshes after one second (thus logging them in as though they'd clicked that link themselves). Then add their page (and whatever other things it uses) to the walled-garden. Yes, this fails if they disable JavaScript, but it's a reasonable price to pay. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Hotel Redirect
Would something like this work? If you used a large enough pool of IPs. DHCP with a 24 hour expire time. Then basically: 1) src-address-list=SEEN and out-interface=INTERNET passthrough=no action=accept 2) action=add-to-address-list address-list=SEEN address-list-timeout=24h passthrough=yes 3) redirect So the first time through it doesn't match the accept in rule 1), instead it gets added to the address list (rule 2) and redirected (rule 3). Then all subsequent traffic for the next 24hours matches the first rule and is accepted by rule 1. Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless On 1/6/11 2:41 PM, David E. Smith wrote: On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 14:20, Nick Olsen n...@flhsi.com mailto:n...@flhsi.com wrote: Normally Hotspot works with a I accept button on a page, As thats what we have done in the past. I don't mind getting a call when a user has a tivo/gamesystem/* that can't login as they can read me the mac and I can bypass it. The point with this is it goes to a page we don't control, And can't really change at all. Could you do something crazy like put their site in an iframe? Have the parent page include their mandatory page, and a bit of JavaScript. That JavaScript has their MAC embedded in a link, using the same sort of link as the click to accept TOS link, which auto-refreshes after one second (thus logging them in as though they'd clicked that link themselves). Then add their page (and whatever other things it uses) to the walled-garden. Yes, this fails if they disable JavaScript, but it's a reasonable price to pay. David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Hotel
I think they use DirectWay but it could be another, either way, I had to fight it. Spectrum analyzer showed almost the entire band being used and if we switched on in the middle of it the satellite link would go down. Channel one keeps the both of us happy in these spots. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of ralphlists Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 1:17 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel Direcway, as are just about all satellite services these days, is on Ku band- not 2.5 GHz. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 12:55 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel The problem I've had from the hotels is that the ones I deal with have a reservation system on the 2 way Satellite system running at 2.5ghz. We would either have internet and no satellite or satellite and no internet. Was never able to spread the channels around. Was tough finding the right channel for long term even with the analyzer. One hotel had finally gone from that to internet based reservations but the others are still on the old direct way setup. Channel 1 seems to be the one I can use to keep from the satellite. Bob0 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 12:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel Hmmm. I guess I'm not surprised by that. When I'm at a hotel and the internet sucks I just figure that that's because I'm in a hotel. I've never called to complain. You can sure see that happen out in the field though! marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 8:58 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel Same ssid different channels...hotels anywhere from 2 to 12 APs. Never seen anyone flip between two of them too much so that it causes a complaint. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 11:00 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Actually I've had them all set up on the same SSID with same channel but these are smaller 2 floor hotels. Never get any complaints like that caused by the system, always the client PC. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 10:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel I'd NOT use all of them on the same channel and the same ssid. Computers in boarder line coverage zones will flip flop between systems and you'll get complaints from the slow speeds etc. You'll also cause interference to the other systems when one ding bat downloads a movie and chews up a lot of capacity. marlon - Original Message - From: Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 9:33 AM Subject: [WISPA] Hotel I have a hotel that it takes 3 AP to cover well. I am going to use 3 MT411 all wired back to a RB450 router for hotspot. I plan to set all the 411 to bridged and all the same channel and SSID. Is this the best way. Is there any reason to do WDS? Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http
Re: [WISPA] Hotel
I tried using WDS with the backhauls but I dropped some throughput so I went to all AP/Client on those. Using UBNT for most backhauls now... Just changed my last one over from WDS last night as a matter of fact. That one I had a sub running off of due to no better signal, took care of that yesterday.. Now we're clean and legal. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 1:06 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel How about doing the same with your towers? -RickG On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 1:00 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: I've always used WDS and the same SSIDs in the hotels. Never had an issue with it. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 9:40 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel I've always numbered the AP SSID's. Never tried using same SSID's. Doesnt it cause issues if you do? On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 6:13 PM, Kristian Hoffmann kh...@fire2wire.com wrote: We've gone back and forth between using the same SSID and numbered SSIDs (e.g. Hotel Name 1, Hotel Name 2). The benefit to the latter is that it's easier to troubleshoot a broken AP, given that you have a map of room and AP locations. If people in room X can't see the AP with the SSID Hotel Name 2 even though you know they're right next to it, then you know you have a problem with an AP. You lose the ability for hotel guests to roam without disconnecting, but that probably doesn't happen very often. If all the SSIDs are the same, then you have to get the BSSID somehow to determine which AP they're on or can see. -Kristian On Wed, 2010-03-03 at 17:41 -0500, Jerry Richardson wrote: same ssid = yes same channel = no. use 1, 6, 11 wds = no Sent from my iPhone On Mar 3, 2010, at 2:30 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: I have a hotel that it takes 3 AP to cover well. I am going to use 3 MT411 all wired back to a RB450 router for hotspot. I plan to set all the 411 to bridged and all the same channel and SSID. Is this the best way. Is there any reason to do WDS? Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA
Re: [WISPA] Hotel
I'd NOT use all of them on the same channel and the same ssid. Computers in boarder line coverage zones will flip flop between systems and you'll get complaints from the slow speeds etc. You'll also cause interference to the other systems when one ding bat downloads a movie and chews up a lot of capacity. marlon - Original Message - From: Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 9:33 AM Subject: [WISPA] Hotel I have a hotel that it takes 3 AP to cover well. I am going to use 3 MT411 all wired back to a RB450 router for hotspot. I plan to set all the 411 to bridged and all the same channel and SSID. Is this the best way. Is there any reason to do WDS? Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Hotel
Actually I've had them all set up on the same SSID with same channel but these are smaller 2 floor hotels. Never get any complaints like that caused by the system, always the client PC. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 10:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel I'd NOT use all of them on the same channel and the same ssid. Computers in boarder line coverage zones will flip flop between systems and you'll get complaints from the slow speeds etc. You'll also cause interference to the other systems when one ding bat downloads a movie and chews up a lot of capacity. marlon - Original Message - From: Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 9:33 AM Subject: [WISPA] Hotel I have a hotel that it takes 3 AP to cover well. I am going to use 3 MT411 all wired back to a RB450 router for hotspot. I plan to set all the 411 to bridged and all the same channel and SSID. Is this the best way. Is there any reason to do WDS? Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Hotel
Same ssid different channels...hotels anywhere from 2 to 12 APs. Never seen anyone flip between two of them too much so that it causes a complaint. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 11:00 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Actually I've had them all set up on the same SSID with same channel but these are smaller 2 floor hotels. Never get any complaints like that caused by the system, always the client PC. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 10:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel I'd NOT use all of them on the same channel and the same ssid. Computers in boarder line coverage zones will flip flop between systems and you'll get complaints from the slow speeds etc. You'll also cause interference to the other systems when one ding bat downloads a movie and chews up a lot of capacity. marlon - Original Message - From: Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 9:33 AM Subject: [WISPA] Hotel I have a hotel that it takes 3 AP to cover well. I am going to use 3 MT411 all wired back to a RB450 router for hotspot. I plan to set all the 411 to bridged and all the same channel and SSID. Is this the best way. Is there any reason to do WDS? Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Hotel
Hmmm. I guess I'm not surprised by that. When I'm at a hotel and the internet sucks I just figure that that's because I'm in a hotel. I've never called to complain. You can sure see that happen out in the field though! marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 8:58 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel Same ssid different channels...hotels anywhere from 2 to 12 APs. Never seen anyone flip between two of them too much so that it causes a complaint. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 11:00 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Actually I've had them all set up on the same SSID with same channel but these are smaller 2 floor hotels. Never get any complaints like that caused by the system, always the client PC. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 10:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel I'd NOT use all of them on the same channel and the same ssid. Computers in boarder line coverage zones will flip flop between systems and you'll get complaints from the slow speeds etc. You'll also cause interference to the other systems when one ding bat downloads a movie and chews up a lot of capacity. marlon - Original Message - From: Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 9:33 AM Subject: [WISPA] Hotel I have a hotel that it takes 3 AP to cover well. I am going to use 3 MT411 all wired back to a RB450 router for hotspot. I plan to set all the 411 to bridged and all the same channel and SSID. Is this the best way. Is there any reason to do WDS? Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Hotel
It's been quite some time so I don't think I've used my current laptop, but with my previous laptop (Intel 3945 - awful card) when we finished a deployment I would go to every corner of every hallway and run jperf and ping making sure I could get online. It lost a ping or two when jumping between APs. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 12:24 PM, Marlon K. Schafer o...@odessaoffice.comwrote: Hmmm. I guess I'm not surprised by that. When I'm at a hotel and the internet sucks I just figure that that's because I'm in a hotel. I've never called to complain. You can sure see that happen out in the field though! marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 8:58 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel Same ssid different channels...hotels anywhere from 2 to 12 APs. Never seen anyone flip between two of them too much so that it causes a complaint. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 11:00 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Actually I've had them all set up on the same SSID with same channel but these are smaller 2 floor hotels. Never get any complaints like that caused by the system, always the client PC. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 10:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel I'd NOT use all of them on the same channel and the same ssid. Computers in boarder line coverage zones will flip flop between systems and you'll get complaints from the slow speeds etc. You'll also cause interference to the other systems when one ding bat downloads a movie and chews up a lot of capacity. marlon - Original Message - From: Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 9:33 AM Subject: [WISPA] Hotel I have a hotel that it takes 3 AP to cover well. I am going to use 3 MT411 all wired back to a RB450 router for hotspot. I plan to set all the 411 to bridged and all the same channel and SSID. Is this the best way. Is there any reason to do WDS? Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Hotel
The problem I've had from the hotels is that the ones I deal with have a reservation system on the 2 way Satellite system running at 2.5ghz. We would either have internet and no satellite or satellite and no internet. Was never able to spread the channels around. Was tough finding the right channel for long term even with the analyzer. One hotel had finally gone from that to internet based reservations but the others are still on the old direct way setup. Channel 1 seems to be the one I can use to keep from the satellite. Bob0 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 12:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel Hmmm. I guess I'm not surprised by that. When I'm at a hotel and the internet sucks I just figure that that's because I'm in a hotel. I've never called to complain. You can sure see that happen out in the field though! marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 8:58 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel Same ssid different channels...hotels anywhere from 2 to 12 APs. Never seen anyone flip between two of them too much so that it causes a complaint. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 11:00 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Actually I've had them all set up on the same SSID with same channel but these are smaller 2 floor hotels. Never get any complaints like that caused by the system, always the client PC. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 10:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel I'd NOT use all of them on the same channel and the same ssid. Computers in boarder line coverage zones will flip flop between systems and you'll get complaints from the slow speeds etc. You'll also cause interference to the other systems when one ding bat downloads a movie and chews up a lot of capacity. marlon - Original Message - From: Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 9:33 AM Subject: [WISPA] Hotel I have a hotel that it takes 3 AP to cover well. I am going to use 3 MT411 all wired back to a RB450 router for hotspot. I plan to set all the 411 to bridged and all the same channel and SSID. Is this the best way. Is there any reason to do WDS? Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Hotel
Direcway, as are just about all satellite services these days, is on Ku band- not 2.5 GHz. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Robert West Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 12:55 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel The problem I've had from the hotels is that the ones I deal with have a reservation system on the 2 way Satellite system running at 2.5ghz. We would either have internet and no satellite or satellite and no internet. Was never able to spread the channels around. Was tough finding the right channel for long term even with the analyzer. One hotel had finally gone from that to internet based reservations but the others are still on the old direct way setup. Channel 1 seems to be the one I can use to keep from the satellite. Bob0 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 12:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel Hmmm. I guess I'm not surprised by that. When I'm at a hotel and the internet sucks I just figure that that's because I'm in a hotel. I've never called to complain. You can sure see that happen out in the field though! marlon - Original Message - From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 8:58 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel Same ssid different channels...hotels anywhere from 2 to 12 APs. Never seen anyone flip between two of them too much so that it causes a complaint. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 11:00 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Actually I've had them all set up on the same SSID with same channel but these are smaller 2 floor hotels. Never get any complaints like that caused by the system, always the client PC. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 10:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel I'd NOT use all of them on the same channel and the same ssid. Computers in boarder line coverage zones will flip flop between systems and you'll get complaints from the slow speeds etc. You'll also cause interference to the other systems when one ding bat downloads a movie and chews up a lot of capacity. marlon - Original Message - From: Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 9:33 AM Subject: [WISPA] Hotel I have a hotel that it takes 3 AP to cover well. I am going to use 3 MT411 all wired back to a RB450 router for hotspot. I plan to set all the 411 to bridged and all the same channel and SSID. Is this the best way. Is there any reason to do WDS? Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless
Re: [WISPA] Hotel
LOL, you haven't? I learned new words to express my frustration over this a few years back, when I had to spend 2 days stuck in a hotel with nothing else to do but try to work remotely. Same SSID and half of the AP's were on the same freaking channel, too. I jumped AP's about every 2-6 minutes, as 3 of them were all about the same RSSI, and none of them were good.I was trying to do remote desktop over it and even IRC, none of which would stay working. -- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 8:58 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel Same ssid different channels...hotels anywhere from 2 to 12 APs. Never seen anyone flip between two of them too much so that it causes a complaint. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 11:00 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Actually I've had them all set up on the same SSID with same channel but these are smaller 2 floor hotels. Never get any complaints like that caused by the system, always the client PC. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 10:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel I'd NOT use all of them on the same channel and the same ssid. Computers in boarder line coverage zones will flip flop between systems and you'll get complaints from the slow speeds etc. You'll also cause interference to the other systems when one ding bat downloads a movie and chews up a lot of capacity. marlon - Original Message - From: Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 9:33 AM Subject: [WISPA] Hotel I have a hotel that it takes 3 AP to cover well. I am going to use 3 MT411 all wired back to a RB450 router for hotspot. I plan to set all the 411 to bridged and all the same channel and SSID. Is this the best way. Is there any reason to do WDS? Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Hotel
If an AP isn't working right or on the same channel that's a different story. It would have helped you to set the ESSID differently but you could have (I think Windows can) specify the BSSID to whatever AP is working. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 1:32 PM, MDK rea...@muddyfrogwater.us wrote: LOL, you haven't? I learned new words to express my frustration over this a few years back, when I had to spend 2 days stuck in a hotel with nothing else to do but try to work remotely. Same SSID and half of the AP's were on the same freaking channel, too. I jumped AP's about every 2-6 minutes, as 3 of them were all about the same RSSI, and none of them were good. I was trying to do remote desktop over it and even IRC, none of which would stay working. -- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 8:58 AM To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel Same ssid different channels...hotels anywhere from 2 to 12 APs. Never seen anyone flip between two of them too much so that it causes a complaint. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Fri, Mar 5, 2010 at 11:00 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: Actually I've had them all set up on the same SSID with same channel but these are smaller 2 floor hotels. Never get any complaints like that caused by the system, always the client PC. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer Sent: Friday, March 05, 2010 10:54 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel I'd NOT use all of them on the same channel and the same ssid. Computers in boarder line coverage zones will flip flop between systems and you'll get complaints from the slow speeds etc. You'll also cause interference to the other systems when one ding bat downloads a movie and chews up a lot of capacity. marlon - Original Message - From: Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 9:33 AM Subject: [WISPA] Hotel I have a hotel that it takes 3 AP to cover well. I am going to use 3 MT411 all wired back to a RB450 router for hotspot. I plan to set all the 411 to bridged and all the same channel and SSID. Is this the best way. Is there any reason to do WDS? Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http
Re: [WISPA] Hotel
One reason to avoid WDS is to have some redundancy - each AP is an island. If you use WDS and have three AP's (A, B, and C) and they're all wired to the router and one AP goes down you still have all the others working. If you're using WDS and the topology is such that AP A is the only one connected to the router and it feeds AP B which feeds AP C and if you lose AP A the whole network is down since the other two AP's would have no connection to the internet. If instead AP A is still good but you lose AP B then both B and C are down since AP C has no connection to the internet. Plus there's the loss of bandwidth with all the repeating going on with WDS. Greg On Mar 3, 2010, at 11:22 PM, RickG wrote: How about saving all the effort of hardwiring and use WDS and not hardwire - any drawbacks? (I've never used WDS and looking for an excuse :) On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 9:55 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: WDS is for repeating an AP's clients through another AP. Since you are hardwiring each AP (best), there is no need for WDS. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 6:38 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel Why not WDS? On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 5:41 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: same ssid = yes same channel = no. use 1, 6, 11 wds = no Sent from my iPhone On Mar 3, 2010, at 2:30 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: I have a hotel that it takes 3 AP to cover well. I am going to use 3 MT411 all wired back to a RB450 router for hotspot. I plan to set all the 411 to bridged and all the same channel and SSID. Is this the best way. Is there any reason to do WDS? Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Hotel
We went down the road of having the same ssid on each ap at a hotel were serve. It is 6 floors and we have 18 ap's throughout. Out of those there are only 12 that have hard wire connections(we are unable to run any new cat5), the others link via wds. We try and setup the wds so that the unwired units are only one hop from a wired unit. Note we are using inherited cisco ap for most of the locations and some pico2, that we added for better coverage. When we set ssid the same for everything, we had all kinds of issues, what we saw was windows changing ap's automatically if it got a better signal from another ap, thus dropping the connection and reconnecting. We decided to name each ap for the room it is located, that way the users could lock into an ap. It does also help with trouble shooting when someone calls in saying they can't connect. I did see post about what is the main issue most users have, that little switch to turn off/on the wireless cards. That is our number 1 issue we see. Aerowire Alan Long Director of Network Operations alan.l...@aerowire.net 687 North Dean Road Auburn, AL 36830 tel: 3342759998 mobile: 336092 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Kristian Hoffmann Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 5:13 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel We've gone back and forth between using the same SSID and numbered SSIDs (e.g. Hotel Name 1, Hotel Name 2). The benefit to the latter is that it's easier to troubleshoot a broken AP, given that you have a map of room and AP locations. If people in room X can't see the AP with the SSID Hotel Name 2 even though you know they're right next to it, then you know you have a problem with an AP. You lose the ability for hotel guests to roam without disconnecting, but that probably doesn't happen very often. If all the SSIDs are the same, then you have to get the BSSID somehow to determine which AP they're on or can see. -Kristian On Wed, 2010-03-03 at 17:41 -0500, Jerry Richardson wrote: same ssid = yes same channel = no. use 1, 6, 11 wds = no Sent from my iPhone On Mar 3, 2010, at 2:30 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: I have a hotel that it takes 3 AP to cover well. I am going to use 3 MT411 all wired back to a RB450 router for hotspot. I plan to set all the 411 to bridged and all the same channel and SSID. Is this the best way. Is there any reason to do WDS? Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2718 - Release Date: 03/03/10 01:34:00 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Hotel
When I set one up, I don't have them in one chain. Normally I would have the gateway in the electrical room and associate APs to the left and to the right and to one upstairs. 3 branches normally. If one section goes down the others can normally be used dep0ending on the signal. But honestly, I haven't had any issues with any of the installs except when the hotel employees decide to hit reset buttons. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Greg Ihnen Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 3:43 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel One reason to avoid WDS is to have some redundancy - each AP is an island. If you use WDS and have three AP's (A, B, and C) and they're all wired to the router and one AP goes down you still have all the others working. If you're using WDS and the topology is such that AP A is the only one connected to the router and it feeds AP B which feeds AP C and if you lose AP A the whole network is down since the other two AP's would have no connection to the internet. If instead AP A is still good but you lose AP B then both B and C are down since AP C has no connection to the internet. Plus there's the loss of bandwidth with all the repeating going on with WDS. Greg On Mar 3, 2010, at 11:22 PM, RickG wrote: How about saving all the effort of hardwiring and use WDS and not hardwire - any drawbacks? (I've never used WDS and looking for an excuse :) On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 9:55 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: WDS is for repeating an AP's clients through another AP. Since you are hardwiring each AP (best), there is no need for WDS. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 6:38 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel Why not WDS? On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 5:41 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: same ssid = yes same channel = no. use 1, 6, 11 wds = no Sent from my iPhone On Mar 3, 2010, at 2:30 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: I have a hotel that it takes 3 AP to cover well. I am going to use 3 MT411 all wired back to a RB450 router for hotspot. I plan to set all the 411 to bridged and all the same channel and SSID. Is this the best way. Is there any reason to do WDS? Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today
Re: [WISPA] Hotel
How about doing the same with your towers? -RickG On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 1:00 AM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.com wrote: I've always used WDS and the same SSIDs in the hotels. Never had an issue with it. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 9:40 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel I've always numbered the AP SSID's. Never tried using same SSID's. Doesnt it cause issues if you do? On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 6:13 PM, Kristian Hoffmann kh...@fire2wire.com wrote: We've gone back and forth between using the same SSID and numbered SSIDs (e.g. Hotel Name 1, Hotel Name 2). The benefit to the latter is that it's easier to troubleshoot a broken AP, given that you have a map of room and AP locations. If people in room X can't see the AP with the SSID Hotel Name 2 even though you know they're right next to it, then you know you have a problem with an AP. You lose the ability for hotel guests to roam without disconnecting, but that probably doesn't happen very often. If all the SSIDs are the same, then you have to get the BSSID somehow to determine which AP they're on or can see. -Kristian On Wed, 2010-03-03 at 17:41 -0500, Jerry Richardson wrote: same ssid = yes same channel = no. use 1, 6, 11 wds = no Sent from my iPhone On Mar 3, 2010, at 2:30 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: I have a hotel that it takes 3 AP to cover well. I am going to use 3 MT411 all wired back to a RB450 router for hotspot. I plan to set all the 411 to bridged and all the same channel and SSID. Is this the best way. Is there any reason to do WDS? Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Hotel
I'd use XR5s if you can, if not use R52H. Depending on your cost you might want to use Ubnt for APs. I have not used MT APs but enabling it a one command extra work but could save you down the road for whatever reason... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 12:33 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: I have a hotel that it takes 3 AP to cover well. I am going to use 3 MT411 all wired back to a RB450 router for hotspot. I plan to set all the 411 to bridged and all the same channel and SSID. Is this the best way. Is there any reason to do WDS? Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Hotel
same ssid = yes same channel = no. use 1, 6, 11 wds = no Sent from my iPhone On Mar 3, 2010, at 2:30 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: I have a hotel that it takes 3 AP to cover well. I am going to use 3 MT411 all wired back to a RB450 router for hotspot. I plan to set all the 411 to bridged and all the same channel and SSID. Is this the best way. Is there any reason to do WDS? Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Hotel
Oops didn't notice that, definitely use Jerry's suggestion for channels. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 5:41 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: same ssid = yes same channel = no. use 1, 6, 11 wds = no Sent from my iPhone On Mar 3, 2010, at 2:30 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: I have a hotel that it takes 3 AP to cover well. I am going to use 3 MT411 all wired back to a RB450 router for hotspot. I plan to set all the 411 to bridged and all the same channel and SSID. Is this the best way. Is there any reason to do WDS? Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Hotel
We've gone back and forth between using the same SSID and numbered SSIDs (e.g. Hotel Name 1, Hotel Name 2). The benefit to the latter is that it's easier to troubleshoot a broken AP, given that you have a map of room and AP locations. If people in room X can't see the AP with the SSID Hotel Name 2 even though you know they're right next to it, then you know you have a problem with an AP. You lose the ability for hotel guests to roam without disconnecting, but that probably doesn't happen very often. If all the SSIDs are the same, then you have to get the BSSID somehow to determine which AP they're on or can see. -Kristian On Wed, 2010-03-03 at 17:41 -0500, Jerry Richardson wrote: same ssid = yes same channel = no. use 1, 6, 11 wds = no Sent from my iPhone On Mar 3, 2010, at 2:30 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: I have a hotel that it takes 3 AP to cover well. I am going to use 3 MT411 all wired back to a RB450 router for hotspot. I plan to set all the 411 to bridged and all the same channel and SSID. Is this the best way. Is there any reason to do WDS? Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Hotel
It's uncommon for me to have broken APs, but when a guest can't connect to them 99.99% of the time my laptop and other guests can. Should you need to replace one use inssider or netstumbler. I wouldn't doubt guests prefer the 1 bar hotel 1 because it's better then the 5 bar hotel 2. Maybe I just don't have much faith in the non-technical crowd that is hotel residents. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 6:13 PM, Kristian Hoffmann kh...@fire2wire.comwrote: We've gone back and forth between using the same SSID and numbered SSIDs (e.g. Hotel Name 1, Hotel Name 2). The benefit to the latter is that it's easier to troubleshoot a broken AP, given that you have a map of room and AP locations. If people in room X can't see the AP with the SSID Hotel Name 2 even though you know they're right next to it, then you know you have a problem with an AP. You lose the ability for hotel guests to roam without disconnecting, but that probably doesn't happen very often. If all the SSIDs are the same, then you have to get the BSSID somehow to determine which AP they're on or can see. -Kristian On Wed, 2010-03-03 at 17:41 -0500, Jerry Richardson wrote: same ssid = yes same channel = no. use 1, 6, 11 wds = no Sent from my iPhone On Mar 3, 2010, at 2:30 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: I have a hotel that it takes 3 AP to cover well. I am going to use 3 MT411 all wired back to a RB450 router for hotspot. I plan to set all the 411 to bridged and all the same channel and SSID. Is this the best way. Is there any reason to do WDS? Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Hotel
My favorite fix for when a guest can't connect to the hotel AP. Turn on the wireless on your laptop. And later we hear. Oh, I didn't know it has a switch... Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 6:16 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel It's uncommon for me to have broken APs, but when a guest can't connect to them 99.99% of the time my laptop and other guests can. Should you need to replace one use inssider or netstumbler. I wouldn't doubt guests prefer the 1 bar hotel 1 because it's better then the 5 bar hotel 2. Maybe I just don't have much faith in the non-technical crowd that is hotel residents. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 6:13 PM, Kristian Hoffmann kh...@fire2wire.comwrote: We've gone back and forth between using the same SSID and numbered SSIDs (e.g. Hotel Name 1, Hotel Name 2). The benefit to the latter is that it's easier to troubleshoot a broken AP, given that you have a map of room and AP locations. If people in room X can't see the AP with the SSID Hotel Name 2 even though you know they're right next to it, then you know you have a problem with an AP. You lose the ability for hotel guests to roam without disconnecting, but that probably doesn't happen very often. If all the SSIDs are the same, then you have to get the BSSID somehow to determine which AP they're on or can see. -Kristian On Wed, 2010-03-03 at 17:41 -0500, Jerry Richardson wrote: same ssid = yes same channel = no. use 1, 6, 11 wds = no Sent from my iPhone On Mar 3, 2010, at 2:30 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: I have a hotel that it takes 3 AP to cover well. I am going to use 3 MT411 all wired back to a RB450 router for hotspot. I plan to set all the 411 to bridged and all the same channel and SSID. Is this the best way. Is there any reason to do WDS? Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Hotel
According to the call center tickets (which are EXCELLENTLY kept up) that accounted for 75% of all calls the month I checked. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 6:30 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: My favorite fix for when a guest can't connect to the hotel AP. Turn on the wireless on your laptop. And later we hear. Oh, I didn't know it has a switch... Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 6:16 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel It's uncommon for me to have broken APs, but when a guest can't connect to them 99.99% of the time my laptop and other guests can. Should you need to replace one use inssider or netstumbler. I wouldn't doubt guests prefer the 1 bar hotel 1 because it's better then the 5 bar hotel 2. Maybe I just don't have much faith in the non-technical crowd that is hotel residents. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 6:13 PM, Kristian Hoffmann kh...@fire2wire.comwrote: We've gone back and forth between using the same SSID and numbered SSIDs (e.g. Hotel Name 1, Hotel Name 2). The benefit to the latter is that it's easier to troubleshoot a broken AP, given that you have a map of room and AP locations. If people in room X can't see the AP with the SSID Hotel Name 2 even though you know they're right next to it, then you know you have a problem with an AP. You lose the ability for hotel guests to roam without disconnecting, but that probably doesn't happen very often. If all the SSIDs are the same, then you have to get the BSSID somehow to determine which AP they're on or can see. -Kristian On Wed, 2010-03-03 at 17:41 -0500, Jerry Richardson wrote: same ssid = yes same channel = no. use 1, 6, 11 wds = no Sent from my iPhone On Mar 3, 2010, at 2:30 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: I have a hotel that it takes 3 AP to cover well. I am going to use 3 MT411 all wired back to a RB450 router for hotspot. I plan to set all the 411 to bridged and all the same channel and SSID. Is this the best way. Is there any reason to do WDS? Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Hotel
The Pico2's are sweet! On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 5:40 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: I'd use XR5s if you can, if not use R52H. Depending on your cost you might want to use Ubnt for APs. I have not used MT APs but enabling it a one command extra work but could save you down the road for whatever reason... Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 12:33 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: I have a hotel that it takes 3 AP to cover well. I am going to use 3 MT411 all wired back to a RB450 router for hotspot. I plan to set all the 411 to bridged and all the same channel and SSID. Is this the best way. Is there any reason to do WDS? Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Hotel
Why not WDS? On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 5:41 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: same ssid = yes same channel = no. use 1, 6, 11 wds = no Sent from my iPhone On Mar 3, 2010, at 2:30 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: I have a hotel that it takes 3 AP to cover well. I am going to use 3 MT411 all wired back to a RB450 router for hotspot. I plan to set all the 411 to bridged and all the same channel and SSID. Is this the best way. Is there any reason to do WDS? Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Hotel
I've always numbered the AP SSID's. Never tried using same SSID's. Doesnt it cause issues if you do? On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 6:13 PM, Kristian Hoffmann kh...@fire2wire.com wrote: We've gone back and forth between using the same SSID and numbered SSIDs (e.g. Hotel Name 1, Hotel Name 2). The benefit to the latter is that it's easier to troubleshoot a broken AP, given that you have a map of room and AP locations. If people in room X can't see the AP with the SSID Hotel Name 2 even though you know they're right next to it, then you know you have a problem with an AP. You lose the ability for hotel guests to roam without disconnecting, but that probably doesn't happen very often. If all the SSIDs are the same, then you have to get the BSSID somehow to determine which AP they're on or can see. -Kristian On Wed, 2010-03-03 at 17:41 -0500, Jerry Richardson wrote: same ssid = yes same channel = no. use 1, 6, 11 wds = no Sent from my iPhone On Mar 3, 2010, at 2:30 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: I have a hotel that it takes 3 AP to cover well. I am going to use 3 MT411 all wired back to a RB450 router for hotspot. I plan to set all the 411 to bridged and all the same channel and SSID. Is this the best way. Is there any reason to do WDS? Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Hotel
Every device I've used picks the best AP. It jumps between APs decently with Intel (lose some packets here or there but you maintain your connections as it's on the same network) and Atheros is flawless. YMMV. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 9:39 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: I've always numbered the AP SSID's. Never tried using same SSID's. Doesnt it cause issues if you do? On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 6:13 PM, Kristian Hoffmann kh...@fire2wire.com wrote: We've gone back and forth between using the same SSID and numbered SSIDs (e.g. Hotel Name 1, Hotel Name 2). The benefit to the latter is that it's easier to troubleshoot a broken AP, given that you have a map of room and AP locations. If people in room X can't see the AP with the SSID Hotel Name 2 even though you know they're right next to it, then you know you have a problem with an AP. You lose the ability for hotel guests to roam without disconnecting, but that probably doesn't happen very often. If all the SSIDs are the same, then you have to get the BSSID somehow to determine which AP they're on or can see. -Kristian On Wed, 2010-03-03 at 17:41 -0500, Jerry Richardson wrote: same ssid = yes same channel = no. use 1, 6, 11 wds = no Sent from my iPhone On Mar 3, 2010, at 2:30 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: I have a hotel that it takes 3 AP to cover well. I am going to use 3 MT411 all wired back to a RB450 router for hotspot. I plan to set all the 411 to bridged and all the same channel and SSID. Is this the best way. Is there any reason to do WDS? Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Hotel
WDS is for repeating an AP's clients through another AP. Since you are hardwiring each AP (best), there is no need for WDS. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 6:38 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel Why not WDS? On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 5:41 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: same ssid = yes same channel = no. use 1, 6, 11 wds = no Sent from my iPhone On Mar 3, 2010, at 2:30 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: I have a hotel that it takes 3 AP to cover well. I am going to use 3 MT411 all wired back to a RB450 router for hotspot. I plan to set all the 411 to bridged and all the same channel and SSID. Is this the best way. Is there any reason to do WDS? Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Hotel
The idea I had in mind was if you used a MT in station-wds mode to bridge the customer's laptop. Several properties we have offer bridges so that people with no wireless cards or those who have problems with them can get online. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 9:55 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.comwrote: WDS is for repeating an AP's clients through another AP. Since you are hardwiring each AP (best), there is no need for WDS. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 6:38 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel Why not WDS? On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 5:41 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: same ssid = yes same channel = no. use 1, 6, 11 wds = no Sent from my iPhone On Mar 3, 2010, at 2:30 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: I have a hotel that it takes 3 AP to cover well. I am going to use 3 MT411 all wired back to a RB450 router for hotspot. I plan to set all the 411 to bridged and all the same channel and SSID. Is this the best way. Is there any reason to do WDS? Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Hotel
Maybe I'm missing something but I don't see the value of enabling WDS. A client is a client, be it a Wifi card, USB card, or Wireless Ethernet adapter. Keep it simple. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 6:59 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel The idea I had in mind was if you used a MT in station-wds mode to bridge the customer's laptop. Several properties we have offer bridges so that people with no wireless cards or those who have problems with them can get online. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 9:55 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.comwrote: WDS is for repeating an AP's clients through another AP. Since you are hardwiring each AP (best), there is no need for WDS. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 6:38 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel Why not WDS? On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 5:41 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: same ssid = yes same channel = no. use 1, 6, 11 wds = no Sent from my iPhone On Mar 3, 2010, at 2:30 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: I have a hotel that it takes 3 AP to cover well. I am going to use 3 MT411 all wired back to a RB450 router for hotspot. I plan to set all the 411 to bridged and all the same channel and SSID. Is this the best way. Is there any reason to do WDS? Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Hotel
So, any reason not to use the same SSID then? On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 9:42 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com wrote: Every device I've used picks the best AP. It jumps between APs decently with Intel (lose some packets here or there but you maintain your connections as it's on the same network) and Atheros is flawless. YMMV. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 9:39 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: I've always numbered the AP SSID's. Never tried using same SSID's. Doesnt it cause issues if you do? On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 6:13 PM, Kristian Hoffmann kh...@fire2wire.com wrote: We've gone back and forth between using the same SSID and numbered SSIDs (e.g. Hotel Name 1, Hotel Name 2). The benefit to the latter is that it's easier to troubleshoot a broken AP, given that you have a map of room and AP locations. If people in room X can't see the AP with the SSID Hotel Name 2 even though you know they're right next to it, then you know you have a problem with an AP. You lose the ability for hotel guests to roam without disconnecting, but that probably doesn't happen very often. If all the SSIDs are the same, then you have to get the BSSID somehow to determine which AP they're on or can see. -Kristian On Wed, 2010-03-03 at 17:41 -0500, Jerry Richardson wrote: same ssid = yes same channel = no. use 1, 6, 11 wds = no Sent from my iPhone On Mar 3, 2010, at 2:30 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: I have a hotel that it takes 3 AP to cover well. I am going to use 3 MT411 all wired back to a RB450 router for hotspot. I plan to set all the 411 to bridged and all the same channel and SSID. Is this the best way. Is there any reason to do WDS? Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Hotel
Every hop on WDS aps cuts the bw in 1/2.. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 9:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel How about saving all the effort of hardwiring and use WDS and not hardwire - any drawbacks? (I've never used WDS and looking for an excuse :) On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 9:55 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: WDS is for repeating an AP's clients through another AP. Since you are hardwiring each AP (best), there is no need for WDS. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 6:38 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel Why not WDS? On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 5:41 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: same ssid = yes same channel = no. use 1, 6, 11 wds = no Sent from my iPhone On Mar 3, 2010, at 2:30 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: I have a hotel that it takes 3 AP to cover well. I am going to use 3 MT411 all wired back to a RB450 router for hotspot. I plan to set all the 411 to bridged and all the same channel and SSID. Is this the best way. Is there any reason to do WDS? Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Hotel
That makes sense. Sometimes wiring can really suck or is impossible. If you dont need all that bandwidth, WDS may be the ticket. On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 10:54 PM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net wrote: Every hop on WDS aps cuts the bw in 1/2.. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 9:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel How about saving all the effort of hardwiring and use WDS and not hardwire - any drawbacks? (I've never used WDS and looking for an excuse :) On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 9:55 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: WDS is for repeating an AP's clients through another AP. Since you are hardwiring each AP (best), there is no need for WDS. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 6:38 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel Why not WDS? On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 5:41 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: same ssid = yes same channel = no. use 1, 6, 11 wds = no Sent from my iPhone On Mar 3, 2010, at 2:30 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: I have a hotel that it takes 3 AP to cover well. I am going to use 3 MT411 all wired back to a RB450 router for hotspot. I plan to set all the 411 to bridged and all the same channel and SSID. Is this the best way. Is there any reason to do WDS? Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Hotel
Don't daisy chain APs unless you absolutely must. What I'm suggesting you use WDS for is if the APs support WDS, and using a MT in station-wds mode (say the guest doesn't have a wireless card) and you want the guest's MAC in your tracking database rather then the MT bridge. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts.” --- Winston Churchill On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 10:58 PM, RickG rgunder...@gmail.com wrote: That makes sense. Sometimes wiring can really suck or is impossible. If you dont need all that bandwidth, WDS may be the ticket. On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 10:54 PM, Dennis Burgess dmburg...@linktechs.net wrote: Every hop on WDS aps cuts the bw in 1/2.. --- Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net LIVE On-Line Mikrotik Training - Author of Learn RouterOS -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 9:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel How about saving all the effort of hardwiring and use WDS and not hardwire - any drawbacks? (I've never used WDS and looking for an excuse :) On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 9:55 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: WDS is for repeating an AP's clients through another AP. Since you are hardwiring each AP (best), there is no need for WDS. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 6:38 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel Why not WDS? On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 5:41 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: same ssid = yes same channel = no. use 1, 6, 11 wds = no Sent from my iPhone On Mar 3, 2010, at 2:30 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: I have a hotel that it takes 3 AP to cover well. I am going to use 3 MT411 all wired back to a RB450 router for hotspot. I plan to set all the 411 to bridged and all the same channel and SSID. Is this the best way. Is there any reason to do WDS? Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Hotel
Funny how that FIX seems to work most of the time. Bob- It don't have no switch! Right.. Whatever -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 7:03 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel According to the call center tickets (which are EXCELLENTLY kept up) that accounted for 75% of all calls the month I checked. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 6:30 PM, Robert West robert.w...@just-micro.comwrote: My favorite fix for when a guest can't connect to the hotel AP. Turn on the wireless on your laptop. And later we hear. Oh, I didn't know it has a switch... Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Josh Luthman Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 6:16 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel It's uncommon for me to have broken APs, but when a guest can't connect to them 99.99% of the time my laptop and other guests can. Should you need to replace one use inssider or netstumbler. I wouldn't doubt guests prefer the 1 bar hotel 1 because it's better then the 5 bar hotel 2. Maybe I just don't have much faith in the non-technical crowd that is hotel residents. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to continue that counts. --- Winston Churchill On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 6:13 PM, Kristian Hoffmann kh...@fire2wire.comwrote: We've gone back and forth between using the same SSID and numbered SSIDs (e.g. Hotel Name 1, Hotel Name 2). The benefit to the latter is that it's easier to troubleshoot a broken AP, given that you have a map of room and AP locations. If people in room X can't see the AP with the SSID Hotel Name 2 even though you know they're right next to it, then you know you have a problem with an AP. You lose the ability for hotel guests to roam without disconnecting, but that probably doesn't happen very often. If all the SSIDs are the same, then you have to get the BSSID somehow to determine which AP they're on or can see. -Kristian On Wed, 2010-03-03 at 17:41 -0500, Jerry Richardson wrote: same ssid = yes same channel = no. use 1, 6, 11 wds = no Sent from my iPhone On Mar 3, 2010, at 2:30 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: I have a hotel that it takes 3 AP to cover well. I am going to use 3 MT411 all wired back to a RB450 router for hotspot. I plan to set all the 411 to bridged and all the same channel and SSID. Is this the best way. Is there any reason to do WDS? Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] Hotel
I've always used WDS and the same SSIDs in the hotels. Never had an issue with it. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 9:40 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel I've always numbered the AP SSID's. Never tried using same SSID's. Doesnt it cause issues if you do? On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 6:13 PM, Kristian Hoffmann kh...@fire2wire.com wrote: We've gone back and forth between using the same SSID and numbered SSIDs (e.g. Hotel Name 1, Hotel Name 2). The benefit to the latter is that it's easier to troubleshoot a broken AP, given that you have a map of room and AP locations. If people in room X can't see the AP with the SSID Hotel Name 2 even though you know they're right next to it, then you know you have a problem with an AP. You lose the ability for hotel guests to roam without disconnecting, but that probably doesn't happen very often. If all the SSIDs are the same, then you have to get the BSSID somehow to determine which AP they're on or can see. -Kristian On Wed, 2010-03-03 at 17:41 -0500, Jerry Richardson wrote: same ssid = yes same channel = no. use 1, 6, 11 wds = no Sent from my iPhone On Mar 3, 2010, at 2:30 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: I have a hotel that it takes 3 AP to cover well. I am going to use 3 MT411 all wired back to a RB450 router for hotspot. I plan to set all the 411 to bridged and all the same channel and SSID. Is this the best way. Is there any reason to do WDS? Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Hotel
That's what I do. WDS, plug it in, Velcro it to the wall. Done. Bob- -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 10:53 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel How about saving all the effort of hardwiring and use WDS and not hardwire - any drawbacks? (I've never used WDS and looking for an excuse :) On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 9:55 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: WDS is for repeating an AP's clients through another AP. Since you are hardwiring each AP (best), there is no need for WDS. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of RickG Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2010 6:38 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel Why not WDS? On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 5:41 PM, Jerry Richardson jrichard...@aircloud.com wrote: same ssid = yes same channel = no. use 1, 6, 11 wds = no Sent from my iPhone On Mar 3, 2010, at 2:30 PM, Steve Barnes st...@pcswin.com wrote: I have a hotel that it takes 3 AP to cover well. I am going to use 3 MT411 all wired back to a RB450 router for hotspot. I plan to set all the 411 to bridged and all the same channel and SSID. Is this the best way. Is there any reason to do WDS? Steve Barnes RC-WiFi Wireless Internet Service --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Hotel HotSpot/Gateway Support
We provide tier 1.5 support (the front desk tries to answer questions but it depends on who is working). Of the 6 motels and hotels we offer service for we probably get 2-3 calls a month total usually within normal support hours 8am to 9pm but occasionally the phone rings around 6am or 10pm. I really think it would depend on how much traffic you have through the hotels and what type of traffic it is (tourist vs business travel). Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless Cliff Leboeuf wrote: I have been approached by a local Hotel to provide Internet access and control for their guest. My concern is the 24-hour support for the hotspot/gateway. Does anyone have suggestions on how much support may be required and how you price such service? Do you offer 24-hour support to the hotel IT department after they are called first by the guest, or all the guest individually place support calls directly to you? - Cliff LeBoeuf - 985-879-3219 - www.cssla.com - www.triparish.net a href=http://mail.shwisp.net/spam/dspam.cgi?template=historyuser=tetherowretrain=spamsignatureID=16,465ced7325798294215066;!DSPAM:16,465ced7325798294215066!/a -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Hotel HotSpot/Gateway Support
Are you saying not many hookers or parties use the hotspot? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Sam Tetherow [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 2:23 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Hotel HotSpot/Gateway Support We provide tier 1.5 support (the front desk tries to answer questions but it depends on who is working). Of the 6 motels and hotels we offer service for we probably get 2-3 calls a month total usually within normal support hours 8am to 9pm but occasionally the phone rings around 6am or 10pm. I really think it would depend on how much traffic you have through the hotels and what type of traffic it is (tourist vs business travel). Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless Cliff Leboeuf wrote: I have been approached by a local Hotel to provide Internet access and control for their guest. My concern is the 24-hour support for the hotspot/gateway. Does anyone have suggestions on how much support may be required and how you price such service? Do you offer 24-hour support to the hotel IT department after they are called first by the guest, or all the guest individually place support calls directly to you? - Cliff LeBoeuf - 985-879-3219 - www.cssla.com - www.triparish.net a href=http://mail.shwisp.net/spam/dspam.cgi?template=historyuser=tetherowretrain=spamsignatureID=16,465ced7325798294215066;!DSPAM:16,465ced7325798294215066!/a -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Hotel HotSpot/Gateway Support
Cliff, The individual people in the hotel will be calling you - - not the hotel staff. The hotels we carry on this service do their own support and I couldn't be happier! The first hotel we hooked up tried passing on their support calls to us for a short time and there were some real idiots - - almost as bad as some of my regulars :-) If you take on support for these hotels - - get the pricing structure from providers that do this for a living or even outsource that to them. I know that when I get hung up answering tech support calls here - - - - I feel like either murdering someone or beating my dog! Mac Dearman Maximum Access, LLC. Rayville, La. www.inetsouth.com www.radioresponse.org (Katrina relief) www.mac-tel.us (VoIP sales) 318.728.8600 318.728.9600 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cliff Leboeuf Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2007 10:18 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Hotel HotSpot/Gateway Support I have been approached by a local Hotel to provide Internet access and control for their guest. My concern is the 24-hour support for the hotspot/gateway. Does anyone have suggestions on how much support may be required and how you price such service? Do you offer 24-hour support to the hotel IT department after they are called first by the guest, or all the guest individually place support calls directly to you? - Cliff LeBoeuf - 985-879-3219 - www.cssla.com - www.triparish.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Hotel HotSpot/Gateway Support
Let them do the teir one support. Else you will get calls from people who can't turn on the wireless switch on the laptop or who forgot to bring a cat5 cable with them. ;) Cliff Leboeuf wrote: I have been approached by a local Hotel to provide Internet access and control for their guest. My concern is the 24-hour support for the hotspot/gateway. Does anyone have suggestions on how much support may be required and how you price such service? Do you offer 24-hour support to the hotel IT department after they are called first by the guest, or all the guest individually place support calls directly to you? - Cliff LeBoeuf - 985-879-3219 - www.cssla.com - www.triparish.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
