RE: [WISPA] Weather Watcher Request
The technical how-to is not the question, though I would like to take you up on the offer. I will hit you offline about that. The question is, what would you charge this person. $x/connection, $y/year, $z/hour, some other way. Scott Reed Owner NewWays Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration www.nwwnet.net -- Original Message --- From: David Weddell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tue, 19 Sep 2006 06:42:53 -0400 Subject: RE: [WISPA] Weather Watcher Request Come up and see what we are doing on our WiFi Network. We have the ability to sell service by the hour, 4 hours, 8 hours, 1 day, 1 week whatever time period you want to use. We do this on our network today. I will get with you offline to discuss details, but we are doing this today on our network. It allows truckers to get online while they are in town waiting on a load or for any of our fixed wireless customers to travel around on our network in any town that we service. Regards, David Weddell Director of Sales 260 827 2551 Office 800 363 4881 Ext 2551 260 273 7547 Cell www.onlyinternet.net www.oibw.net From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott Reed Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 6:34 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weather Watcher Request All the discussion has been good, but I would like to get back to the original question. The Watcher is looking at a park and connect, not mobile application. So, let's assume my network will support him connecting to any POP. Any suggestions how to bill a customer that is only going to connect 2 to 4 times per month for 6 months a year? Scott Reed Owner NewWays Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration www.nwwnet.net -- Original Message --- From: Scott Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 20:28:01 -0500 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weather Watcher Request That's one thing I need to ask him. I am not sure he needs to drive and connect. It may be park and connect. I will find out. I am doing the same thing for the county Mobile Command Center. They take it to a disaster, park and connect. I am still working on that one, but there are not a lot a disasters in our area, so the first one was free. Scott Reed Owner NewWays Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration www.nwwnet.net -- Original Message --- From: David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 16:32:15 -0500 Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weather Watcher Request Scott Reed wrote: I have had a request for service from our local SkyWarn volunteer watcher. He needs service in his vehicle during potetial storms so he can see the radar while watching the sky. Does anyone provide similar service? If so, how do you charge for installation, service, etc.? Honestly, for someone who's gonna be THAT mobile, I'd recommend a cell phone PCMCIA card. Yes, I work for a WISP, but I know what problems I can (and cannot) solve, and at least for my network, that sort of roaming is firmly in the cannot category. Obviously, WISP wifi roaming is possible; there was a thread about it a couple weeks ago, where someone did a lot of voodoo with Mikrotik. But unless your whole network already happens to support that, or the customer is rather patient, just recommending a cell card is probably gonna make everyone happier. (The customer gets the service they're looking for, and you've saved many man-hours rebuilding your network :) David Smith MVN.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- End of Original Message --- --- End of Original Message --- -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.4/449 - Release Date: 9/15/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.4/449 - Release Date: 9/15/2006 --- End of Original Message --- -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Weather Watcher Request
Scott Reed wrote: I have had a request for service from our local SkyWarn volunteer watcher. He needs service in his vehicle during potetial storms so he can see the radar while watching the sky. Does anyone provide similar service? If so, how do you charge for installation, service, etc.? Honestly, for someone who's gonna be THAT mobile, I'd recommend a cell phone PCMCIA card. Yes, I work for a WISP, but I know what problems I can (and cannot) solve, and at least for my network, that sort of roaming is firmly in the cannot category. Obviously, WISP wifi roaming is possible; there was a thread about it a couple weeks ago, where someone did a lot of voodoo with Mikrotik. But unless your whole network already happens to support that, or the customer is rather patient, just recommending a cell card is probably gonna make everyone happier. (The customer gets the service they're looking for, and you've saved many man-hours rebuilding your network :) David Smith MVN.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Weather Watcher Request
Two questions. What is RDC? Is the data rate for the Sprint card high enough to download color weather radar images quickly? Ken Chipps-Original Message-From: Brad Belton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 05:48 PMTo: ''WISPA General List''Subject: RE: [WISPA] Weather Watcher RequestAgreed, cellular data is really the best solution available today andprobably always will be for the mobile user.I'm reading and sending mail at the office via RDC and a Sprint Data cardright now. Sitting in the passenger seat traveling at 70Mph+ and haven'tmissed a ping yet in over two hours. I've been inside buildings, onrooftops, in vehicle and out of vehicle. Just can't beat having it and itis only getting better.Best,Brad-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] OnBehalf Of David E. SmithSent: Monday, September 18, 2006 4:32 PMTo: WISPA General ListSubject: Re: [WISPA] Weather Watcher RequestScott Reed wrote: I have had a request for service from our local SkyWarn volunteer watcher.He needs service in his vehicle during potetial storms so he can see theradar while watching the sky. Does anyone provide similar service? If so, howdo you charge for installation, service, etc.?Honestly, for someone who's gonna be THAT mobile, I'd recommend a cellphone PCMCIA card. Yes, I work for a WISP, but I know what problems Ican (and cannot) solve, and at least for my network, that sort ofroaming is firmly in the "cannot" category.Obviously, WISP wifi roaming is possible; there was a thread about it acouple weeks ago, where someone did a lot of voodoo with Mikrotik. Butunless your whole network already happens to support that, or thecustomer is rather patient, just recommending a cell card is probablygonna make everyone happier. (The customer gets the service they'relooking for, and you've saved many man-hours rebuilding your network :)David SmithMVN.net-- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/-- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.orgSubscribe/Unsubscribe:http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Weather Watcher Request
Remote Desktop Connection I would suspect Mark McElvy AccuBak Data Systems, Inc. 573.729.9200 - Office 573.729.9203 - Fax 573.247.9980 - Mobile http://www.accubak.com/ http://www.accubak.net/ Nationwide Internet Access Accurate backups for your critical data! From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 5:28 PM To: WISPA General List; 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weather Watcher Request Two questions. What is RDC? Is the data rate for the Sprint card high enough to download color weather radar images quickly? Ken Chipps -Original Message- From: Brad Belton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 05:48 PM To: ''WISPA General List'' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Weather Watcher Request Agreed, cellular data is really the best solution available today and probably always will be for the mobile user. I'm reading and sending mail at the office via RDC and a Sprint Data card right now. Sitting in the passenger seat traveling at 70Mph+ and haven't missed a ping yet in over two hours. I've been inside buildings, on rooftops, in vehicle and out of vehicle. Just can't beat having it and it is only getting better. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 4:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weather Watcher Request Scott Reed wrote: I have had a request for service from our local SkyWarn volunteer watcher. He needs service in his vehicle during potetial storms so he can see the radar while watching the sky. Does anyone provide similar service? If so, how do you charge for installation, service, etc.? Honestly, for someone who's gonna be THAT mobile, I'd recommend a cell phone PCMCIA card. Yes, I work for a WISP, but I know what problems I can (and cannot) solve, and at least for my network, that sort of roaming is firmly in the cannot category. Obviously, WISP wifi roaming is possible; there was a thread about it a couple weeks ago, where someone did a lot of voodoo with Mikrotik. But unless your whole network already happens to support that, or the customer is rather patient, just recommending a cell card is probably gonna make everyone happier. (The customer gets the service they're looking for, and you've saved many man-hours rebuilding your network :) David Smith MVN.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This electronic communication (including any attached document) may contain privileged and/or confidential information. This communication is intended only for the use of indicated e-mail addressees. If you are not an intended recipient of this communication, please be advised that any disclosure, dissemination, distribution, copying, or other use of this communication or any attached document is prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and promptly destroy all electronic and printed copies of this communication and any attached document. Unauthorized interception of this e-mail is a violation of federal criminal law. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Weather Watcher Request
Hello Ken, Yes, Mark is correct. RDC is short (in my book anyway) for Remote Desktop Control aka Terminal Services or Citrix etc Yes, I subscribe to www.wunderground.com for my weather information. The $5 a year it costs is well worth the money IMO (in my opinion). grin Pulling current, animated radar images over my Sprint DATA card has not given me any trouble. Speed test confirmation from www.testmy.net : :::.. Download Stats ..::: Download Connection is:: 654 Kbps about 0.65 Mbps (tested with 579 kB) Download Speed is:: 80 kB/s Tested From:: http://testmy.net/ (Server 1) Test Time:: 2006/09/18 - 4:26pm Bottom Line:: 11X faster than 56K 1MB Download in 12.8 sec Tested from a 579 kB file and took 7.25 seconds to complete Download Diagnosis:: 90% + Okay : running at 96.04 % of your hosts average (spcsdns.net) D-Validation Link:: http://testmy.net/stats/id-814GRHMXW Ive seen well over 1Mbps before, but even then 654Kbps isnt that bad. Latency typically looks like this: Pinging 4.2.2.2 with 32 bytes of data: Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=163ms TTL=237 Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=173ms TTL=237 Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=188ms TTL=237 Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=172ms TTL=237 Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=239ms TTL=237 Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=170ms TTL=237 Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=185ms TTL=237 Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=167ms TTL=237 Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=155ms TTL=237 Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=368ms TTL=237 Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=151ms TTL=237 Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=165ms TTL=237 Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=179ms TTL=237 Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=200ms TTL=237 Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=162ms TTL=237 Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=180ms TTL=237 Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=181ms TTL=237 Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=160ms TTL=237 Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=175ms TTL=237 Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=159ms TTL=237 Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=146ms TTL=237 Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=185ms TTL=237 Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=143ms TTL=237 Ping statistics for 4.2.2.2: Packets: Sent = 23, Received = 23, Lost = 0 (0% loss), Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds: Minimum = 143ms, Maximum = 368ms, Average = 181ms Tracert looks like this: Tracing route to vnsc-bak.sys.gtei.net [4.2.2.2] over a maximum of 30 hops: 1 171 ms 157 ms 162 ms 68.28.177.69 2 * * * Request timed out. 3 191 ms 183 ms 190 ms 68.28.187.54 4 326 ms 162 ms 156 ms 68.28.187.6 5 * * * Request timed out. 6 * * * Request timed out. 7 162 ms 158 ms 164 ms 68.28.187.97 8 168 ms 153 ms 160 ms 68.28.187.18 9 194 ms 162 ms 157 ms sl-gw11-atl-0-1.sprintlink.net [144.223.140.69] 10 171 ms 161 ms 157 ms sl-bb22-atl-5-0.sprintlink.net [144.232.12.85] 11 161 ms 159 ms 188 ms sl-bb25-atl-9-0.sprintlink.net [144.232.12.38] 12 173 ms 193 ms 189 ms sl-bb22-fw-15-0.sprintlink.net [144.232.8.21] 13 186 ms 186 ms 184 ms sl-bb27-fw-12-0.sprintlink.net [144.232.11.33] 14 180 ms 183 ms 187 ms sl-st20-dal-13-0.sprintlink.net [144.232.20.83] 15 384 ms 173 ms 167 ms interconnect-eng.Dallas1.Level3.net [64.158.168.73] 16 166 ms 193 ms 206 ms so-1-2-0.bbr1.Dallas1.Level3.net [209.244.15.16] 17 180 ms 183 ms 192 ms ge-11-0.core1.Dallas1.Level3.net [4.68.122.40] 18 423 ms 224 ms 199 ms vnsc-bak.sys.gtei.net [4.2.2.2] Trace complete. As with most things YMMV. (Your Mileage May Vary) grin Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark McElvy Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 5:52 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Weather Watcher Request Remote Desktop Connection I would suspect Mark McElvy AccuBak Data Systems, Inc. 573.729.9200 - Office 573.729.9203 - Fax 573.247.9980 - Mobile http://www.accubak.com/ http://www.accubak.net/ Nationwide Internet Access Accurate backups for your critical data! From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 5:28 PM To: WISPA General List; 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weather Watcher Request Two questions. What is RDC? Is the data rate for the Sprint card high enough to download color weather radar images quickly? Ken Chipps -Original Message- From: Brad Belton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 05:48 PM To: ''WISPA General List'' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Weather Watcher Request Agreed, cellular data is really the best solution available today and probably always will be for the mobile user. I'm reading and sending mail at the office via RDC and a Sprint Data card right now. Sitting in the passenger seat traveling at 70Mph+ and haven't missed a ping yet in over two hours. I've been inside buildings, on rooftops, in vehicle and out of vehicle. Just
RE: [WISPA] Weather Watcher Request
Hi Brad, we do need to meet each other one of these days since we are in the same city. Interesting. I may have to look into this further. I had heard that the Sprint service was slow from other users. What is the best way to buy the hardware and monthly service for this? Is the Sprint website the only source? Why do you pay for this weather stuff? Why not use one of the local TV station web sites or WeatherBug? Ken Chipps From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 6:45 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Weather Watcher Request Hello Ken, Yes, Mark is correct. RDC is short (in my book anyway) for Remote Desktop Control aka Terminal Services or Citrix etc Yes, I subscribe to www.wunderground.com for my weather information. The $5 a year it costs is well worth the money IMO (in my opinion). grin Pulling current, animated radar images over my Sprint DATA card has not given me any trouble. Speed test confirmation from www.testmy.net : :::.. Download Stats ..::: Download Connection is:: 654 Kbps about 0.65 Mbps (tested with 579 kB) Download Speed is:: 80 kB/s Tested From:: http://testmy.net/ (Server 1) Test Time:: 2006/09/18 - 4:26pm Bottom Line:: 11X faster than 56K 1MB Download in 12.8 sec Tested from a 579 kB file and took 7.25 seconds to complete Download Diagnosis:: 90% + Okay : running at 96.04 % of your hosts average (spcsdns.net) D-Validation Link:: http://testmy.net/stats/id-814GRHMXW Ive seen well over 1Mbps before, but even then 654Kbps isnt that bad. Latency typically looks like this: Pinging 4.2.2.2 with 32 bytes of data: Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=163ms TTL=237 Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=173ms TTL=237 Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=188ms TTL=237 Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=172ms TTL=237 Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=239ms TTL=237 Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=170ms TTL=237 Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=185ms TTL=237 Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=167ms TTL=237 Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=155ms TTL=237 Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=368ms TTL=237 Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=151ms TTL=237 Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=165ms TTL=237 Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=179ms TTL=237 Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=200ms TTL=237 Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=162ms TTL=237 Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=180ms TTL=237 Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=181ms TTL=237 Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=160ms TTL=237 Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=175ms TTL=237 Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=159ms TTL=237 Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=146ms TTL=237 Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=185ms TTL=237 Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=143ms TTL=237 Ping statistics for 4.2.2.2: Packets: Sent = 23, Received = 23, Lost = 0 (0% loss), Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds: Minimum = 143ms, Maximum = 368ms, Average = 181ms Tracert looks like this: Tracing route to vnsc-bak.sys.gtei.net [4.2.2.2] over a maximum of 30 hops: 1 171 ms 157 ms 162 ms 68.28.177.69 2 * * * Request timed out. 3 191 ms 183 ms 190 ms 68.28.187.54 4 326 ms 162 ms 156 ms 68.28.187.6 5 * * * Request timed out. 6 * * * Request timed out. 7 162 ms 158 ms 164 ms 68.28.187.97 8 168 ms 153 ms 160 ms 68.28.187.18 9 194 ms 162 ms 157 ms sl-gw11-atl-0-1.sprintlink.net [144.223.140.69] 10 171 ms 161 ms 157 ms sl-bb22-atl-5-0.sprintlink.net [144.232.12.85] 11 161 ms 159 ms 188 ms sl-bb25-atl-9-0.sprintlink.net [144.232.12.38] 12 173 ms 193 ms 189 ms sl-bb22-fw-15-0.sprintlink.net [144.232.8.21] 13 186 ms 186 ms 184 ms sl-bb27-fw-12-0.sprintlink.net [144.232.11.33] 14 180 ms 183 ms 187 ms sl-st20-dal-13-0.sprintlink.net [144.232.20.83] 15 384 ms 173 ms 167 ms interconnect-eng.Dallas1.Level3.net [64.158.168.73] 16 166 ms 193 ms 206 ms so-1-2-0.bbr1.Dallas1.Level3.net [209.244.15.16] 17 180 ms 183 ms 192 ms ge-11-0.core1.Dallas1.Level3.net [4.68.122.40] 18 423 ms 224 ms 199 ms vnsc-bak.sys.gtei.net [4.2.2.2] Trace complete. As with most things YMMV. (Your Mileage May Vary) grin Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark McElvy Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 5:52 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Weather Watcher Request Remote Desktop Connection I would suspect Mark McElvy AccuBak Data Systems, Inc. 573.729.9200 - Office 573.729.9203 - Fax 573.247.9980 - Mobile http://www.accubak.com/ http://www.accubak.net/ Nationwide Internet Access Accurate backups for your critical data! From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 5:28 PM To: WISPA General List; 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weather Watcher Request Two questions. What is RDC? Is the data rate for the Sprint
RE: [WISPA] Weather Watcher Request
Also, agreed, the Sprint card is used by our field engineering and at two of the past dozen conferences where we had a booth, that card was better than the congested Internet connection that they provided to the exhibitors. . . . j o n a t h a n -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 4:48 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Weather Watcher Request Agreed, cellular data is really the best solution available today and probably always will be for the mobile user. I'm reading and sending mail at the office via RDC and a Sprint Data card right now. Sitting in the passenger seat traveling at 70Mph+ and haven't missed a ping yet in over two hours. I've been inside buildings, on rooftops, in vehicle and out of vehicle. Just can't beat having it and it is only getting better. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 4:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weather Watcher Request Scott Reed wrote: I have had a request for service from our local SkyWarn volunteer watcher. He needs service in his vehicle during potetial storms so he can see the radar while watching the sky. Does anyone provide similar service? If so, how do you charge for installation, service, etc.? Honestly, for someone who's gonna be THAT mobile, I'd recommend a cell phone PCMCIA card. Yes, I work for a WISP, but I know what problems I can (and cannot) solve, and at least for my network, that sort of roaming is firmly in the cannot category. Obviously, WISP wifi roaming is possible; there was a thread about it a couple weeks ago, where someone did a lot of voodoo with Mikrotik. But unless your whole network already happens to support that, or the customer is rather patient, just recommending a cell card is probably gonna make everyone happier. (The customer gets the service they're looking for, and you've saved many man-hours rebuilding your network :) David Smith MVN.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Weather Watcher Request
On Mon, September 18, 2006 5:28 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Two questions. What is RDC? Is the data rate for the Sprint card high enough to download color weather radar images quickly? I'd assume RDC is Remote Desktop, Windows' answer to PC Anywhere and VNC. And the Sprint cards are, I'm told, surprisingly good. Some folks have reported getting data rates in excess of 1Mbps - not blazing fast, but beats the pants off dialup, and pretty good if you're speeding down the highway. The average speeds seem to be 512k or thereabouts, unless you're in a major metropolitan area (which will have newer better tower gear, thus better speeds), which still ain't nothing to sneeze at. David Smith MVN.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Weather Watcher Request
On Mon, 18 Sep 2006, David E. Smith wrote: Obviously, WISP wifi roaming is possible; there was a thread about it a couple weeks ago, where someone did a lot of voodoo with Mikrotik. But unless your whole network already happens to support Voodoo? LOL. What we did was not magic, but was certainly not an off the shelf solution. ;-) that, or the customer is rather patient, just recommending a cell card is probably gonna make everyone happier. (The customer gets the service they're looking for, and you've saved many man-hours rebuilding your network :) While I must say that it would not require rebuilding the network (a Mikrotik client is all that is required for the solution I built), it is pretty likely that the coverage area would be much better with the cell card. -- Butch Evans Network Engineering and Security Consulting 573-276-2879 http://www.butchevans.com/ Mikrotik Certified Consultant (http://www.mikrotik.com/consultants.html) -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] Weather Watcher Request
Hello Ken, Yes, it has been some time since we last met. I believe it was with my brother Jack more than a couple years ago at your place near Alvarado. I believe it may have even been before you had a tower up! Time flies! My first mobile data card (still have it in a drawer) was from Air America reselling the Ricochet service. The service was tolerable (200Kbps-300Kbps) if you were stationary, but pretty much unusable while driving. I think I paid $129.00 a month or more for the service! Crazy, but I had to have it! My second data card was Sprints first generation card. This service was far superior to Ricochet in coverage and service while driving was terrific. This is the card I used while driving across country during a couple vacations. Service started out at about 120Kbps-200Kbps and 350-450ms latency which was a bit worse than Ricochet. The service did begin to slow and Sprint moved the couple cards we had to their new service that we have now. I figure $5 a year for a weather service I enjoy is a bargain. I think that works out to just over a penny a day. The site www.wunderground.com really is a great source of information and the five bucks eliminates the advertisements and enables a few additional features. You should check it out during the next stormIm fairly sure the experimental Lightning data is pulled from a client of ours that operates a number of remote sensors our network provides service to. Pretty amazing technology as they can actually predict a lightning strike (cloud to cloud, cloud to ground or ground to cloud) before it happens. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ken Chipps Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 8:40 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Weather Watcher Request Hi Brad, we do need to meet each other one of these days since we are in the same city. Interesting. I may have to look into this further. I had heard that the Sprint service was slow from other users. What is the best way to buy the hardware and monthly service for this? Is the Sprint website the only source? Why do you pay for this weather stuff? Why not use one of the local TV station web sites or WeatherBug? Ken Chipps From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brad Belton Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 6:45 PM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Weather Watcher Request Hello Ken, Yes, Mark is correct. RDC is short (in my book anyway) for Remote Desktop Control aka Terminal Services or Citrix etc Yes, I subscribe to www.wunderground.com for my weather information. The $5 a year it costs is well worth the money IMO (in my opinion). grin Pulling current, animated radar images over my Sprint DATA card has not given me any trouble. Speed test confirmation from www.testmy.net : :::.. Download Stats ..::: Download Connection is:: 654 Kbps about 0.65 Mbps (tested with 579 kB) Download Speed is:: 80 kB/s Tested From:: http://testmy.net/ (Server 1) Test Time:: 2006/09/18 - 4:26pm Bottom Line:: 11X faster than 56K 1MB Download in 12.8 sec Tested from a 579 kB file and took 7.25 seconds to complete Download Diagnosis:: 90% + Okay : running at 96.04 % of your hosts average (spcsdns.net) D-Validation Link:: http://testmy.net/stats/id-814GRHMXW Ive seen well over 1Mbps before, but even then 654Kbps isnt that bad. Latency typically looks like this: Pinging 4.2.2.2 with 32 bytes of data: Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=163ms TTL=237 Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=173ms TTL=237 Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=188ms TTL=237 Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=172ms TTL=237 Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=239ms TTL=237 Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=170ms TTL=237 Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=185ms TTL=237 Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=167ms TTL=237 Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=155ms TTL=237 Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=368ms TTL=237 Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=151ms TTL=237 Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=165ms TTL=237 Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=179ms TTL=237 Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=200ms TTL=237 Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=162ms TTL=237 Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=180ms TTL=237 Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=181ms TTL=237 Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=160ms TTL=237 Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=175ms TTL=237 Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=159ms TTL=237 Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=146ms TTL=237 Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=185ms TTL=237 Reply from 4.2.2.2: bytes=32 time=143ms TTL=237 Ping statistics for 4.2.2.2: Packets: Sent = 23, Received = 23, Lost = 0 (0% loss), Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds: Minimum = 143ms, Maximum = 368ms, Average = 181ms Tracert looks like this: Tracing route to vnsc-bak.sys.gtei.net [4.2.2.2] over a maximum of 30 hops: 1 171 ms 157 ms 162 ms
RE: [WISPA] Weather Watcher Request
Remote Desktop Rick Harnish President OnlyInternet Broadband Wireless, Inc. 260-827-2482 Founding Member of WISPA From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 6:28 PM To: WISPA General List; 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weather Watcher Request Two questions. What is RDC? Is the data rate for the Sprint card high enough to download color weather radar images quickly? Ken Chipps -Original Message- From: Brad Belton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 05:48 PM To: ''WISPA General List'' Subject: RE: [WISPA] Weather Watcher Request Agreed, cellular data is really the best solution available today and probably always will be for the mobile user. I'm reading and sending mail at the office via RDC and a Sprint Data card right now. Sitting in the passenger seat traveling at 70Mph+ and haven't missed a ping yet in over two hours. I've been inside buildings, on rooftops, in vehicle and out of vehicle. Just can't beat having it and it is only getting better. Best, Brad -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 4:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Weather Watcher Request Scott Reed wrote: I have had a request for service from our local SkyWarn volunteer watcher. He needs service in his vehicle during potetial storms so he can see the radar while watching the sky. Does anyone provide similar service? If so, how do you charge for installation, service, etc.? Honestly, for someone who's gonna be THAT mobile, I'd recommend a cell phone PCMCIA card. Yes, I work for a WISP, but I know what problems I can (and cannot) solve, and at least for my network, that sort of roaming is firmly in the cannot category. Obviously, WISP wifi roaming is possible; there was a thread about it a couple weeks ago, where someone did a lot of voodoo with Mikrotik. But unless your whole network already happens to support that, or the customer is rather patient, just recommending a cell card is probably gonna make everyone happier. (The customer gets the service they're looking for, and you've saved many man-hours rebuilding your network :) David Smith MVN.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
