Re: [WISPA] Trango at ISPCON
Tom DeReggi wrote: Trango repeated its WISP summit at ISPCON again this year as well. The purpose was to ask WISPs what they need in next generation products, and disclose upcomming products. It was also exciting to learn more about their next generation WIMax product. The advantage of that platform, is its early enough in the development process that there is still time for Trango to add features that WISPs requested, to make it a better solution. A lot of neet ideas were pitched, hopefully Trango will implement some of them, to compliment their offering. Trango's approach is to take WiMax chipset, with the option to run a standard WiMax MAC, but shipped default with Trango's modified Firmware to fit nicely in line with existing Trango gear firmware features and tools. This would also have the side effect of giving WiMax features at Lower prices than WIMax competitors, and more unique differenciators than competitors by not being limited to standards. I thought one main advantage of WiMax was the standards. By not following standards the customers ARE limited. Everyone knows that every install is different. I thought with WiMax we might actually get to pick the right gear for each job. Can't do that without standards. They only want to keep you locked in. I hate being locked into one thing. You can never use better gear when it comes out because you are locked into old crap. My perception, is that the 10mbps solution would continue as the low cost options, but the WIMax line would be the high end product delivering higher capacity / Higher feature gear, that would be priced somewhere between 5830 and Fox lines. My understanding is that Live versions were displayed at Wimax World. Its not appropriate to discuss exact features yet, for obvious competitive reasons of a not yet released product. It could be a real exciting product, and something worth keeping an eye on as it develops. Unfortuneately though, this is not an option for us today, as the product has not yet been released, and probably won't for about 6 month. (Disclaimer: not an authorized time prediction listed) Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trango at ISPCON
Brian, Standards don't really matter unless you have interop on the mac layer as well as QOS.With just MAC and phy layer interoperability, the only thing that will be supported is simple bridging and routing when you use seperate vendor's CPE and Base stations. btw, no one is currently supporting QOS interoperability. Also currently there is only one company that has released 5.8 product using 802.16a technology and is expected to be interoperable should other vendors roll out product utilizing a 10mhz channel width. The whole Wimax revolution really doesn't matter to Wisp's in the US if unlicensed bands are never expected to be supported. - Jeff On 11/14/06 12:07 PM, Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom DeReggi wrote: Trango repeated its WISP summit at ISPCON again this year as well. The purpose was to ask WISPs what they need in next generation products, and disclose upcomming products. It was also exciting to learn more about their next generation WIMax product. The advantage of that platform, is its early enough in the development process that there is still time for Trango to add features that WISPs requested, to make it a better solution. A lot of neet ideas were pitched, hopefully Trango will implement some of them, to compliment their offering. Trango's approach is to take WiMax chipset, with the option to run a standard WiMax MAC, but shipped default with Trango's modified Firmware to fit nicely in line with existing Trango gear firmware features and tools. This would also have the side effect of giving WiMax features at Lower prices than WIMax competitors, and more unique differenciators than competitors by not being limited to standards. I thought one main advantage of WiMax was the standards. By not following standards the customers ARE limited. Everyone knows that every install is different. I thought with WiMax we might actually get to pick the right gear for each job. Can't do that without standards. They only want to keep you locked in. I hate being locked into one thing. You can never use better gear when it comes out because you are locked into old crap. My perception, is that the 10mbps solution would continue as the low cost options, but the WIMax line would be the high end product delivering higher capacity / Higher feature gear, that would be priced somewhere between 5830 and Fox lines. My understanding is that Live versions were displayed at Wimax World. Its not appropriate to discuss exact features yet, for obvious competitive reasons of a not yet released product. It could be a real exciting product, and something worth keeping an eye on as it develops. Unfortuneately though, this is not an option for us today, as the product has not yet been released, and probably won't for about 6 month. (Disclaimer: not an authorized time prediction listed) Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trango at ISPCON
So you are saying we won't have a bunch of products to choose from that work together like with WiFi? Jeffrey Thomas wrote: Brian, Standards don't really matter unless you have interop on the mac layer as well as QOS.With just MAC and phy layer interoperability, the only thing that will be supported is simple bridging and routing when you use seperate vendor's CPE and Base stations. btw, no one is currently supporting QOS interoperability. Also currently there is only one company that has released 5.8 product using 802.16a technology and is expected to be interoperable should other vendors roll out product utilizing a 10mhz channel width. The whole Wimax revolution really doesn't matter to Wisp's in the US if unlicensed bands are never expected to be supported. - Jeff On 11/14/06 12:07 PM, Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom DeReggi wrote: Trango repeated its WISP summit at ISPCON again this year as well. The purpose was to ask WISPs what they need in next generation products, and disclose upcomming products. It was also exciting to learn more about their next generation WIMax product. The advantage of that platform, is its early enough in the development process that there is still time for Trango to add features that WISPs requested, to make it a better solution. A lot of neet ideas were pitched, hopefully Trango will implement some of them, to compliment their offering. Trango's approach is to take WiMax chipset, with the option to run a standard WiMax MAC, but shipped default with Trango's modified Firmware to fit nicely in line with existing Trango gear firmware features and tools. This would also have the side effect of giving WiMax features at Lower prices than WIMax competitors, and more unique differenciators than competitors by not being limited to standards. I thought one main advantage of WiMax was the standards. By not following standards the customers ARE limited. Everyone knows that every install is different. I thought with WiMax we might actually get to pick the right gear for each job. Can't do that without standards. They only want to keep you locked in. I hate being locked into one thing. You can never use better gear when it comes out because you are locked into old crap. My perception, is that the 10mbps solution would continue as the low cost options, but the WIMax line would be the high end product delivering higher capacity / Higher feature gear, that would be priced somewhere between 5830 and Fox lines. My understanding is that Live versions were displayed at Wimax World. Its not appropriate to discuss exact features yet, for obvious competitive reasons of a not yet released product. It could be a real exciting product, and something worth keeping an eye on as it develops. Unfortuneately though, this is not an option for us today, as the product has not yet been released, and probably won't for about 6 month. (Disclaimer: not an authorized time prediction listed) Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Trango at ISPCON
No not the case. The fact that a peice of equipment can instantly be flashed with a Compliant firmware, enables a WISP not to be held hostage by the specific Manufacturer, and can change anyday to the compliant WiMax standard, if they find it to be more advantageous to them. In other words physical installation labor or equipment change would not be necessary, so one could convert easilly. There are many reasons not to use compliant WiMax. And there are many benefits to WiMax hardware, even when propriatary firmware is used. Most WISPs state that they want lower price that high volume gives, and they state they want higher features to make them more competitive. But interoperabilty, has little value to most WISPs, as most WISPs want to standardize on product anyway. Not waiting for complaince, adds many benefits. Quicker availabilty bypassing lengthly certification processes. Advanced features, that would take ages for the committe to make standard. Taking advantage of patented or propritary intellectual property that is more advantageous that would never be given to the public domain or standards committee. Fastest Time to market is one of the biggest benefits for a WISP. I predict Trango's WIMax will beat most other vendors to the table in 5.8Ghz in the US. The advantage of using WiMax hardware, is taking advantage of economy of scale, to have better price and better support behind the solution. As long as the hardware is compliant and flashable, what firmware you put on is irrelevant. Its no different than buying a WRAP board and having the choice of whether you put Mikrotik or Star-OS on it, or even your own firmware. I'm not putting my reputation on the line to specifically endorse what product option will be the preferred product by Summer 2007, but I will say that interoperabilty is the least of my desires from a manufacturers. What I want is the gear that solves my problems and allows me to be the most competitive at the lowest cost and the faster to market time frame. Thats one of the reasons we are also excited about the AlvarionComnet program, it gives us abilty to improve our offering today, with a mature tested product. The WiMax interoperabilty is only important for those going after mobility. We are a pure FIXED location play. I personally believe that staying away from mobility offerings, makes us less of a threat to the Telcos and Cell phone companies, and will likely have less competitive pressures from them, because of it, and by building for Fixed (better design) we are more likely to survive their interference. Its also important to understand, why a new Trango product might want to be considered. People who bought Trango in the first place didn;t do it for interoperabilty, but the extra value Trango intellectual propery provided over WIFI an interoperable solution. Just like Trango Fox was like WIFI on Steroids, Trango WiMax will be like WiMax on Steroids. Disclaimer: My post is speculation, as final product features/options have not been released. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 3:07 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Trango at ISPCON Tom DeReggi wrote: Trango repeated its WISP summit at ISPCON again this year as well. The purpose was to ask WISPs what they need in next generation products, and disclose upcomming products. It was also exciting to learn more about their next generation WIMax product. The advantage of that platform, is its early enough in the development process that there is still time for Trango to add features that WISPs requested, to make it a better solution. A lot of neet ideas were pitched, hopefully Trango will implement some of them, to compliment their offering. Trango's approach is to take WiMax chipset, with the option to run a standard WiMax MAC, but shipped default with Trango's modified Firmware to fit nicely in line with existing Trango gear firmware features and tools. This would also have the side effect of giving WiMax features at Lower prices than WIMax competitors, and more unique differenciators than competitors by not being limited to standards. I thought one main advantage of WiMax was the standards. By not following standards the customers ARE limited. Everyone knows that every install is different. I thought with WiMax we might actually get to pick the right gear for each job. Can't do that without standards. They only want to keep you locked in. I hate being locked into one thing. You can never use better gear when it comes out because you are locked into old crap. My perception, is that the 10mbps solution would continue as the low cost options, but the WIMax line would be the high end product delivering higher capacity / Higher feature gear, that would be priced somewhere
Re: [WISPA] Trango at ISPCON
Jeffrey Thomas wrote: Brian, Standards don't really matter unless you have interop on the mac layer as well as QOS.With just MAC and phy layer interoperability, the only thing that will be supported is simple bridging and routing when you use seperate vendor's CPE and Base stations. btw, no one is currently supporting QOS interoperability. Now that I reread this, I say great! :) I can bridge all day long with all different types mixed together and do routing/QOS with something like Mikrotik? Or am I crazy? Are you talking RF type QOS or the QOS I am used to (I guess I'd call that per packet QOS) that has to do with throttling bandwidth, shaping and such? FYI I'll state the obvious. I don't know much about this. Also currently there is only one company that has released 5.8 product using 802.16a technology and is expected to be interoperable should other vendors roll out product utilizing a 10mhz channel width. The whole Wimax revolution really doesn't matter to Wisp's in the US if unlicensed bands are never expected to be supported. - Jeff On 11/14/06 12:07 PM, Brian Rohrbacher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom DeReggi wrote: Trango repeated its WISP summit at ISPCON again this year as well. The purpose was to ask WISPs what they need in next generation products, and disclose upcomming products. It was also exciting to learn more about their next generation WIMax product. The advantage of that platform, is its early enough in the development process that there is still time for Trango to add features that WISPs requested, to make it a better solution. A lot of neet ideas were pitched, hopefully Trango will implement some of them, to compliment their offering. Trango's approach is to take WiMax chipset, with the option to run a standard WiMax MAC, but shipped default with Trango's modified Firmware to fit nicely in line with existing Trango gear firmware features and tools. This would also have the side effect of giving WiMax features at Lower prices than WIMax competitors, and more unique differenciators than competitors by not being limited to standards. I thought one main advantage of WiMax was the standards. By not following standards the customers ARE limited. Everyone knows that every install is different. I thought with WiMax we might actually get to pick the right gear for each job. Can't do that without standards. They only want to keep you locked in. I hate being locked into one thing. You can never use better gear when it comes out because you are locked into old crap. My perception, is that the 10mbps solution would continue as the low cost options, but the WIMax line would be the high end product delivering higher capacity / Higher feature gear, that would be priced somewhere between 5830 and Fox lines. My understanding is that Live versions were displayed at Wimax World. Its not appropriate to discuss exact features yet, for obvious competitive reasons of a not yet released product. It could be a real exciting product, and something worth keeping an eye on as it develops. Unfortuneately though, this is not an option for us today, as the product has not yet been released, and probably won't for about 6 month. (Disclaimer: not an authorized time prediction listed) Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
