Re: [WISPA] 5.8GHz Backhaul Radio Recommendations
The question that first comes to mind is Who would want to trust a 26mile link to a sub $100 radio? However, I agree, it will be an interesting test. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Matt Larsen - Lists li...@manageisp.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 7:40 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.8GHz Backhaul Radio Recommendations I just lent a pair of Bullet5 units to a friend who is planning to replace some old upconverted Alvarion BH units on a 26 mile link with 2' dishes. That should be an interesting test. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Matt wrote: Andrews Antenna P3F-52-NXA 5.8GHz backhaul radio died today because of a power surge. Old Proxim gear, 2 x T1. I wanted some feedback from vendors/users of what they are using. I need to keep it under $5K if possible. Link distance: 8.3 miles Antennas: Andrews P3F-52-NXA http://www.ubnt.com/products/bullet.php At less then $70 for a 5.x ghz module the price cant be beat. Have a couple on hand to try but no experience with them yet. Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.5/1884 - Release Date: 1/9/2009 8:38 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 5.8GHz Backhaul Radio Recommendations
Have had good results with radwin ... - Original Message - From: John McDowell j...@boonlink.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 12:50 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.8GHz Backhaul Radio Recommendations We're pretty exclusive to the AN80 on backhauls...just deployed a new one this week. And yes, Redline support is awesome On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 11:25 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: I love the an50s. Redline support is unbelieveable. The 80s have more capability and are half the price, though I haven't gotten my hands on them. On 1/8/09, John McDowell j...@boonlink.com wrote: Redline AN80i On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 7:39 PM, Pat O'Connor p...@inlandnet.com wrote: Andrews Antenna P3F-52-NXA 5.8GHz backhaul radio died today because of a power surge. Old Proxim gear, 2 x T1. I wanted some feedback from vendors/users of what they are using. I need to keep it under $5K if possible. Link distance: 8.3 miles Antennas: Andrews P3F-52-NXA WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 j...@boonlink.com www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail j...@boonlink.com, and delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to spoofing, spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the message or the source, please contact the sender directly. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 j...@boonlink.com www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail j...@boonlink.com, and delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to spoofing, spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the message or the source, please contact the sender directly. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 5.8GHz Backhaul Radio Recommendations
second this!! :) So far seeing good results as well with the new R5Hs and N-Stream too ;) -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp/* Blair Davis wrote: A pair of Mikrotiks, radio cards and all, under $1K and you should be able to do 20Mbit. Pat O'Connor wrote: Andrews Antenna P3F-52-NXA 5.8GHz backhaul radio died today because of a power surge. Old Proxim gear, 2 x T1. I wanted some feedback from vendors/users of what they are using. I need to keep it under $5K if possible. Link distance: 8.3 miles Antennas: Andrews P3F-52-NXA WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 5.8GHz Backhaul Radio Recommendations
Well I have always been really happy with the Motorola PtP series radios (maybe a PtP 300 for this link). It all depends on what you need... T-1 transport, how much data throughput, channel size, latency, noise immunity, warranties, fcc compliance, etc. That part number is for a single pol dish though... so to use a PtP 300 you would want to swap out the feedhorn for the dual pol feedhorn... Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Pat O'Connor Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 6:40 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 5.8GHz Backhaul Radio Recommendations Andrews Antenna P3F-52-NXA 5.8GHz backhaul radio died today because of a power surge. Old Proxim gear, 2 x T1. I wanted some feedback from vendors/users of what they are using. I need to keep it under $5K if possible. Link distance: 8.3 miles Antennas: Andrews P3F-52-NXA WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 5.8GHz Backhaul Radio Recommendations
Can you share a brief explanation of what all Mikrotik N-Stream does? I know you can set up two radios (one up and one down) but I do not know what else it can do. We have some Mikrotik in the air now and would like to start taking advantage of this if it has real advantages. Thank you, Scriv On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 10:03 AM, Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net dmburg...@linktechs.net wrote: second this!! :) So far seeing good results as well with the new R5Hs and N-Stream too ;) -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp/* Blair Davis wrote: A pair of Mikrotiks, radio cards and all, under $1K and you should be able to do 20Mbit. Pat O'Connor wrote: Andrews Antenna P3F-52-NXA 5.8GHz backhaul radio died today because of a power surge. Old Proxim gear, 2 x T1. I wanted some feedback from vendors/users of what they are using. I need to keep it under $5K if possible. Link distance: 8.3 miles Antennas: Andrews P3F-52-NXA WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 5.8GHz Backhaul Radio Recommendations
Like I said, if you just need data, then MT can't be beat on this. lets see, 30-40 meg throughput in most cases, if he gets good signals, super low latency, usually 1-2ms if that, warrantied product, and FCC certification ;) Heck, just the boxes with POEs, ethernet surge and new 6gig Coax Arresters would be under $650 including both sides! -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp/* 3-dB Networks wrote: Well I have always been really happy with the Motorola PtP series radios (maybe a PtP 300 for this link). It all depends on what you need... T-1 transport, how much data throughput, channel size, latency, noise immunity, warranties, fcc compliance, etc. That part number is for a single pol dish though... so to use a PtP 300 you would want to swap out the feedhorn for the dual pol feedhorn... Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Pat O'Connor Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 6:40 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 5.8GHz Backhaul Radio Recommendations Andrews Antenna P3F-52-NXA 5.8GHz backhaul radio died today because of a power surge. Old Proxim gear, 2 x T1. I wanted some feedback from vendors/users of what they are using. I need to keep it under $5K if possible. Link distance: 8.3 miles Antennas: Andrews P3F-52-NXA WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 5.8GHz Backhaul Radio Recommendations
Is the better nstreme available in the full release or is it still a test package? On 1/9/09, Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net dmburg...@linktechs.net wrote: Like I said, if you just need data, then MT can't be beat on this. lets see, 30-40 meg throughput in most cases, if he gets good signals, super low latency, usually 1-2ms if that, warrantied product, and FCC certification ;) Heck, just the boxes with POEs, ethernet surge and new 6gig Coax Arresters would be under $650 including both sides! -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp/* 3-dB Networks wrote: Well I have always been really happy with the Motorola PtP series radios (maybe a PtP 300 for this link). It all depends on what you need... T-1 transport, how much data throughput, channel size, latency, noise immunity, warranties, fcc compliance, etc. That part number is for a single pol dish though... so to use a PtP 300 you would want to swap out the feedhorn for the dual pol feedhorn... Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Pat O'Connor Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 6:40 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 5.8GHz Backhaul Radio Recommendations Andrews Antenna P3F-52-NXA 5.8GHz backhaul radio died today because of a power surge. Old Proxim gear, 2 x T1. I wanted some feedback from vendors/users of what they are using. I need to keep it under $5K if possible. Link distance: 8.3 miles Antennas: Andrews P3F-52-NXA WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 5.8GHz Backhaul Radio Recommendations
Yes, Nstreme can add significant speed, depending on the situation, It should be noted that... 1. Nstreme performs slower if the Radios do not have fast enough processors. For example, we found the old RB532s 233Mhz, NOT fast enough proc. 2. Nstreme works great (fast) on the newer faster boards, such as 433AH and 600Series. 3. Nstreme is not compatible to be used for all configurations. I forget the exact details, but when we were trying to use WDS and VLANs, to immulate a transparent bridge (VLAN switch) in a PTMP design (to connect a group of 4 tenant buildings, 1 acting as AP, and 3 acting as Stations), Nstreme had to be disabled, for it to work. That was pre-2.29 version. I do not know, how it is now with v3.x 4. Nstreme2 is its way to use two channels togeather. Which works optimal provided have adequate channel seperation ( 80mhz). Its good alternative to do it in multi-band, when a single 40mhz wide channel is not available. 5. It requires access to both sides of the link to configure for NStreme. But I bet Dennis, would have all the answers of how to optimize usage of Nstreme. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net dmburg...@linktechs.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 11:11 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.8GHz Backhaul Radio Recommendations Like I said, if you just need data, then MT can't be beat on this. lets see, 30-40 meg throughput in most cases, if he gets good signals, super low latency, usually 1-2ms if that, warrantied product, and FCC certification ;) Heck, just the boxes with POEs, ethernet surge and new 6gig Coax Arresters would be under $650 including both sides! -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp/* 3-dB Networks wrote: Well I have always been really happy with the Motorola PtP series radios (maybe a PtP 300 for this link). It all depends on what you need... T-1 transport, how much data throughput, channel size, latency, noise immunity, warranties, fcc compliance, etc. That part number is for a single pol dish though... so to use a PtP 300 you would want to swap out the feedhorn for the dual pol feedhorn... Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Pat O'Connor Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 6:40 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 5.8GHz Backhaul Radio Recommendations Andrews Antenna P3F-52-NXA 5.8GHz backhaul radio died today because of a power surge. Old Proxim gear, 2 x T1. I wanted some feedback from vendors/users of what they are using. I need to keep it under $5K if possible. Link distance: 8.3 miles Antennas: Andrews P3F-52-NXA WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.5/1884 - Release Date: 1/9/2009 8:38 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 5.8GHz Backhaul Radio Recommendations
Yes you have to have a good processor, it does compression. I also believe it does MPPP as well, and larger frame sizes as well to get higher speeds. Hence, processor usage is key. MT is a router, why bridge! :) never really needed to do WDS with N-stream etc. Its also a polling system and you can disable CSMA as well. -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp/* Tom DeReggi wrote: Yes, Nstreme can add significant speed, depending on the situation, It should be noted that... 1. Nstreme performs slower if the Radios do not have fast enough processors. For example, we found the old RB532s 233Mhz, NOT fast enough proc. 2. Nstreme works great (fast) on the newer faster boards, such as 433AH and 600Series. 3. Nstreme is not compatible to be used for all configurations. I forget the exact details, but when we were trying to use WDS and VLANs, to immulate a transparent bridge (VLAN switch) in a PTMP design (to connect a group of 4 tenant buildings, 1 acting as AP, and 3 acting as Stations), Nstreme had to be disabled, for it to work. That was pre-2.29 version. I do not know, how it is now with v3.x 4. Nstreme2 is its way to use two channels togeather. Which works optimal provided have adequate channel seperation ( 80mhz). Its good alternative to do it in multi-band, when a single 40mhz wide channel is not available. 5. It requires access to both sides of the link to configure for NStreme. But I bet Dennis, would have all the answers of how to optimize usage of Nstreme. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net dmburg...@linktechs.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 11:11 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.8GHz Backhaul Radio Recommendations Like I said, if you just need data, then MT can't be beat on this. lets see, 30-40 meg throughput in most cases, if he gets good signals, super low latency, usually 1-2ms if that, warrantied product, and FCC certification ;) Heck, just the boxes with POEs, ethernet surge and new 6gig Coax Arresters would be under $650 including both sides! -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp/* 3-dB Networks wrote: Well I have always been really happy with the Motorola PtP series radios (maybe a PtP 300 for this link). It all depends on what you need... T-1 transport, how much data throughput, channel size, latency, noise immunity, warranties, fcc compliance, etc. That part number is for a single pol dish though... so to use a PtP 300 you would want to swap out the feedhorn for the dual pol feedhorn... Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www.3dbnetworks.com -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Pat O'Connor Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 6:40 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] 5.8GHz Backhaul Radio Recommendations Andrews Antenna P3F-52-NXA 5.8GHz backhaul radio died today because of a power surge. Old Proxim gear, 2 x T1. I wanted some feedback from vendors/users of what they are using. I need to keep it under $5K if possible. Link distance: 8.3 miles Antennas: Andrews P3F-52-NXA WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org
Re: [WISPA] 5.8GHz Backhaul Radio Recommendations
Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net wrote: Yes you have to have a good processor, it does compression. I also believe it does MPPP as well, and larger frame sizes as well to get higher speeds. Hence, processor usage is key. When I was testing this - pretty informally, two radios set on the floor of the office about a hundred feet apart - the speeds weren't that much higher, and the latency was all weird. The RF link was pretty good (I think there was 40-some-odd points of SNR), and when I used them in regular AP/bridge mode, or basic WDS, I actually got better performance than when I enabled polling and Nstreme and all the other Mikrotik proprietary magic checkboxes. The throughput was pretty comparable, but when the link was even lightly loaded, pings went bananas. Instead of being consistent, some would be 3ms, some would be 100ms. I figured that was because my little ping packets were being bundled up with other packets, then transmitted when it was most efficient for the radio, as opposed to being sent on-demand. First, is that pretty close to accurate? Second, in the real world, when you're trying to do something like VOIP or gaming that's sensitive to latency, how noticeable is it? David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 5.8GHz Backhaul Radio Recommendations
David, Just for info here but it's possible that your signals were so loud that the receivers were being overloaded. That drives them bananas... jack David E. Smith wrote: Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net wrote: Yes you have to have a good processor, it does compression. I also believe it does MPPP as well, and larger frame sizes as well to get higher speeds. Hence, processor usage is key. When I was testing this - pretty informally, two radios set on the floor of the office about a hundred feet apart - the speeds weren't that much higher, and the latency was all weird. The RF link was pretty good (I think there was 40-some-odd points of SNR), and when I used them in regular AP/bridge mode, or basic WDS, I actually got better performance than when I enabled polling and Nstreme and all the other Mikrotik proprietary magic checkboxes. The throughput was pretty comparable, but when the link was even lightly loaded, pings went bananas. Instead of being consistent, some would be 3ms, some would be 100ms. I figured that was because my little ping packets were being bundled up with other packets, then transmitted when it was most efficient for the radio, as opposed to being sent on-demand. First, is that pretty close to accurate? Second, in the real world, when you're trying to do something like VOIP or gaming that's sensitive to latency, how noticeable is it? David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Cisco Press Author - "Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs" WISPs - Do you know where your customers are? For wireless coverage mapping see http://www.ask-wi.com/mapping FCC Lic. #PG-12-25133 LinkedIn Profile http://www.linkedin.com/in/jackunger Phone 818-227-4220 Email jun...@ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 5.8GHz Backhaul Radio Recommendations
With that inside like that, you can get reflections etc. It does the compression and M3P I'm sure as well. It should not incraase the latency that much and should not fluctuate like that normally. -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp/* David E. Smith wrote: Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net wrote: Yes you have to have a good processor, it does compression. I also believe it does MPPP as well, and larger frame sizes as well to get higher speeds. Hence, processor usage is key. When I was testing this - pretty informally, two radios set on the floor of the office about a hundred feet apart - the speeds weren't that much higher, and the latency was all weird. The RF link was pretty good (I think there was 40-some-odd points of SNR), and when I used them in regular AP/bridge mode, or basic WDS, I actually got better performance than when I enabled polling and Nstreme and all the other Mikrotik proprietary magic checkboxes. The throughput was pretty comparable, but when the link was even lightly loaded, pings went bananas. Instead of being consistent, some would be 3ms, some would be 100ms. I figured that was because my little ping packets were being bundled up with other packets, then transmitted when it was most efficient for the radio, as opposed to being sent on-demand. First, is that pretty close to accurate? Second, in the real world, when you're trying to do something like VOIP or gaming that's sensitive to latency, how noticeable is it? David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 5.8GHz Backhaul Radio Recommendations
yep, anything more than -40 is BAD. better tests are around -55 or so.. -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp/* Jack Unger wrote: David, Just for info here but it's possible that your signals were so loud that the receivers were being overloaded. That drives them bananas... jack David E. Smith wrote: Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net wrote: Yes you have to have a good processor, it does compression. I also believe it does MPPP as well, and larger frame sizes as well to get higher speeds. Hence, processor usage is key. When I was testing this - pretty informally, two radios set on the floor of the office about a hundred feet apart - the speeds weren't that much higher, and the latency was all weird. The RF link was pretty good (I think there was 40-some-odd points of SNR), and when I used them in regular AP/bridge mode, or basic WDS, I actually got better performance than when I enabled polling and Nstreme and all the other Mikrotik proprietary magic checkboxes. The throughput was pretty comparable, but when the link was even lightly loaded, pings went bananas. Instead of being consistent, some would be 3ms, some would be 100ms. I figured that was because my little ping packets were being bundled up with other packets, then transmitted when it was most efficient for the radio, as opposed to being sent on-demand. First, is that pretty close to accurate? Second, in the real world, when you're trying to do something like VOIP or gaming that's sensitive to latency, how noticeable is it? David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Cisco Press Author - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs WISPs - Do you know where your customers are? For wireless coverage mapping see http://www.ask-wi.com/mapping FCC Lic. #PG-12-25133 LinkedIn Profile http://www.linkedin.com/in/jackunger Phone 818-227-4220 Email jun...@ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 5.8GHz Backhaul Radio Recommendations
MT is a router, why bridge! :) Ease of central management. We don't have a good way to track all the IPs and confgiurations that get assigned to the MT. Most of our MT CPEs terminate in Tenant buildings with Multiple subs. Traffic is easy to seperate, when VLANs can get past through end to end. In our central cell site management system, we built a system to record, test, provision, and de-provision IP configurations. To do it with MT routing on the middle devices, it means writing/finding text docs archived somewhere, that documented the more complex less consistent configurations. These are reasons that I prefer simple bridge backhaul radios, for my network. I don't want them to be overly intelligent. From a technical perspective, yeah, it would be better to route. But I don't care about the technical details as that is not tied directly to profitabilty, but my time saving to manage it definately translates to my profitabilty. However, there are many places that a NStreme MT w/ routing can be inserted into a network, where it does NOT create additional management headaches. Sometimes, even easier to manage. And many WISPs dont own a central management router system at their cell sites. The MT itself becomes their way to manage their configurations. Those are all great places to use MT w/ routing. I will also be the first to admit that WDS is a dog, performance wise. But MT solved that, by making faster processor boards, and inexpensive. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net dmburg...@linktechs.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 12:55 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.8GHz Backhaul Radio Recommendations Yes you have to have a good processor, it does compression. I also believe it does MPPP as well, and larger frame sizes as well to get higher speeds. Hence, processor usage is key. MT is a router, why bridge! :) never really needed to do WDS with N-stream etc. Its also a polling system and you can disable CSMA as well. -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp/* Tom DeReggi wrote: Yes, Nstreme can add significant speed, depending on the situation, It should be noted that... 1. Nstreme performs slower if the Radios do not have fast enough processors. For example, we found the old RB532s 233Mhz, NOT fast enough proc. 2. Nstreme works great (fast) on the newer faster boards, such as 433AH and 600Series. 3. Nstreme is not compatible to be used for all configurations. I forget the exact details, but when we were trying to use WDS and VLANs, to immulate a transparent bridge (VLAN switch) in a PTMP design (to connect a group of 4 tenant buildings, 1 acting as AP, and 3 acting as Stations), Nstreme had to be disabled, for it to work. That was pre-2.29 version. I do not know, how it is now with v3.x 4. Nstreme2 is its way to use two channels togeather. Which works optimal provided have adequate channel seperation ( 80mhz). Its good alternative to do it in multi-band, when a single 40mhz wide channel is not available. 5. It requires access to both sides of the link to configure for NStreme. But I bet Dennis, would have all the answers of how to optimize usage of Nstreme. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net dmburg...@linktechs.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 11:11 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.8GHz Backhaul Radio Recommendations Like I said, if you just need data, then MT can't be beat on this. lets see, 30-40 meg throughput in most cases, if he gets good signals, super low latency, usually 1-2ms if that, warrantied product, and FCC certification ;) Heck, just the boxes with POEs, ethernet surge and new 6gig Coax Arresters would be under $650 including both sides! -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp/* 3-dB Networks wrote: Well I have always been really happy with the Motorola PtP series radios (maybe a PtP 300 for this link). It all depends on what you need... T-1 transport, how much data throughput
Re: [WISPA] 5.8GHz Backhaul Radio Recommendations
He didn't say he was at -40 rssi. He said he had 40db of SNR. But regardless... to test accurately, the two radios need to be connected via coax, and an adequate attenuator in between. With that said, we had similar results to David, UNTIL we used faster processor boards. Processor speed was key. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net dmburg...@linktechs.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 1:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.8GHz Backhaul Radio Recommendations yep, anything more than -40 is BAD. better tests are around -55 or so.. -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp/* Jack Unger wrote: David, Just for info here but it's possible that your signals were so loud that the receivers were being overloaded. That drives them bananas... jack David E. Smith wrote: Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net wrote: Yes you have to have a good processor, it does compression. I also believe it does MPPP as well, and larger frame sizes as well to get higher speeds. Hence, processor usage is key. When I was testing this - pretty informally, two radios set on the floor of the office about a hundred feet apart - the speeds weren't that much higher, and the latency was all weird. The RF link was pretty good (I think there was 40-some-odd points of SNR), and when I used them in regular AP/bridge mode, or basic WDS, I actually got better performance than when I enabled polling and Nstreme and all the other Mikrotik proprietary magic checkboxes. The throughput was pretty comparable, but when the link was even lightly loaded, pings went bananas. Instead of being consistent, some would be 3ms, some would be 100ms. I figured that was because my little ping packets were being bundled up with other packets, then transmitted when it was most efficient for the radio, as opposed to being sent on-demand. First, is that pretty close to accurate? Second, in the real world, when you're trying to do something like VOIP or gaming that's sensitive to latency, how noticeable is it? David Smith MVN.net WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc. Serving the Broadband Wireless Industry Since 1993 Cisco Press Author - Deploying License-Free Wireless WANs WISPs - Do you know where your customers are? For wireless coverage mapping see http://www.ask-wi.com/mapping FCC Lic. #PG-12-25133 LinkedIn Profile http://www.linkedin.com/in/jackunger Phone 818-227-4220 Email jun...@ask-wi.com WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.10.5/1884 - Release Date: 1/9/2009 8:38 AM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 5.8GHz Backhaul Radio Recommendations
Instead of being consistent, some would be 3ms, some would be 100ms. notes... First, latency is not always bad, if it is not created by congestion that usually results in packet loss or slowing down TCPIP. Second, MT allows setting the packet combining into 1 of 3 ways. So if it is a problem, you can select the method that best matches your need. Unfortunteately, Ping is no longer an accurate way to test performance/proper optimization of a wireless network. This has caused me problems with custoemrs, because they don;t understand wireless network, and it makes it hard to guarantee latency in SLAs, if the way latency is meaured is by end user test tools using Ping. I can not speak for how MT does it, but I'm sure they use similar techniques. But I can use Trango ARQ as an example... In order to maximize throughput, if there is a packet lost, it will re-send the packet during the next transmission. So if data is constantly flowing (TCP and UDP) the re-tranmission will occur almost immediately. But with ICMP (ping) the protocol does not require another immediate transmission from the original side (meaning no packet behind it), so it waits a defined period for Trangos ARQ to re-send the Ping packet. That is why when a Trango link has minor packet loss (corrected by ARQ) the Ping times will sky rocket (200ms, 500, 700 etc ), but if you push TCP data, the latency of the TCP data will consistently be low. This can be proven by specific speed tests using the max speed = latency x window size. You can do a test (web based or Iperf) to the other side of teh US with a real 80ms latency, set to small window size, and watch the speed slow way down. Then do the same test on your wireless link that has random high latency w/ Pings, and Iperfs will show super fast trhoughput as if teh latency was really low. Or one can use a VOIP jitter testing tool. Trango ARQ is a bit off topic, but... Microtik Nstreme has some method of how it handles re-transmissions. This as well potentially could effect how ping reports, expecially in less than perfect link conditions. But it very well might not effect real TCP/UDP traffic. What you can also do is run a UDP iperf at a define slow speed under the capacity of the link. (for example set to do a 1mbps test on a 30mbps capable MT) and then simultaneously do a ping. Do you get the same low ping results? But my points is, Ping is not a reliable tool IF, it either has no other trafiic or has to much other traffic. Again, with packet stuffing, latency can go high IF there is not enough processing power to handle the routines. But it should not increase the latency much to combine packets, on proper equipment. (atleast not if the routine is written well) Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net dmburg...@linktechs.net To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 1:10 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.8GHz Backhaul Radio Recommendations yep, anything more than -40 is BAD. better tests are around -55 or so.. -- * Dennis Burgess, CCNA, A+, Mikrotik Certified Trainer WISPA Board Member - wispa.org http://www.wispa.org/ Link Technologies, Inc -- Mikrotik WISP Support Services* *Office*: 314-735-0270 *Website*: http://www.linktechs.net http://www.linktechs.net/ */ Link Technologies, Inc is offering LIVE Mikrotik On-Line Training http://www.linktechs.net/onlinetraining.asp/* Jack Unger wrote: David, Just for info here but it's possible that your signals were so loud that the receivers were being overloaded. That drives them bananas... jack David E. Smith wrote: Dennis Burgess - Linktechs.net wrote: Yes you have to have a good processor, it does compression. I also believe it does MPPP as well, and larger frame sizes as well to get higher speeds. Hence, processor usage is key. When I was testing this - pretty informally, two radios set on the floor of the office about a hundred feet apart - the speeds weren't that much higher, and the latency was all weird. The RF link was pretty good (I think there was 40-some-odd points of SNR), and when I used them in regular AP/bridge mode, or basic WDS, I actually got better performance than when I enabled polling and Nstreme and all the other Mikrotik proprietary magic checkboxes. The throughput was pretty comparable, but when the link was even lightly loaded, pings went bananas. Instead of being consistent, some would be 3ms, some would be 100ms. I figured that was because my little ping packets were being bundled up with other packets, then transmitted when it was most efficient for the radio, as opposed to being sent on-demand. First, is that pretty close to accurate? Second, in the real world, when you're trying to do something like VOIP or gaming that's sensitive to latency, how noticeable is it? David
Re: [WISPA] 5.8GHz Backhaul Radio Recommendations
Andrews Antenna P3F-52-NXA 5.8GHz backhaul radio died today because of a power surge. Old Proxim gear, 2 x T1. I wanted some feedback from vendors/users of what they are using. I need to keep it under $5K if possible. Link distance: 8.3 miles Antennas: Andrews P3F-52-NXA http://www.ubnt.com/products/bullet.php At less then $70 for a 5.x ghz module the price cant be beat. Have a couple on hand to try but no experience with them yet. Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 5.8GHz Backhaul Radio Recommendations
Trango Broadband 45Mbps P5055M-EXT __ Patrick Nix, Jr., csweb.net (918) 235-0414 http://www.csweb.net E-Mail: pni...@csweb.net ATTENTION: This e-mail may contain information that is confidential in nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this e-mail and notify the sender immediately. Thank you. -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 2:36 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.8GHz Backhaul Radio Recommendations Andrews Antenna P3F-52-NXA 5.8GHz backhaul radio died today because of a power surge. Old Proxim gear, 2 x T1. I wanted some feedback from vendors/users of what they are using. I need to keep it under $5K if possible. Link distance: 8.3 miles Antennas: Andrews P3F-52-NXA http://www.ubnt.com/products/bullet.php At less then $70 for a 5.x ghz module the price cant be beat. Have a couple on hand to try but no experience with them yet. Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 5.8GHz Backhaul Radio Recommendations
I just lent a pair of Bullet5 units to a friend who is planning to replace some old upconverted Alvarion BH units on a 26 mile link with 2' dishes. That should be an interesting test. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Matt wrote: Andrews Antenna P3F-52-NXA 5.8GHz backhaul radio died today because of a power surge. Old Proxim gear, 2 x T1. I wanted some feedback from vendors/users of what they are using. I need to keep it under $5K if possible. Link distance: 8.3 miles Antennas: Andrews P3F-52-NXA http://www.ubnt.com/products/bullet.php At less then $70 for a 5.x ghz module the price cant be beat. Have a couple on hand to try but no experience with them yet. Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 5.8GHz Backhaul Radio Recommendations
Please let us know how it worked Sent from my iPhone On Jan 9, 2009, at 7:40 PM, Matt Larsen - Lists li...@manageisp.com wrote: I just lent a pair of Bullet5 units to a friend who is planning to replace some old upconverted Alvarion BH units on a 26 mile link with 2' dishes. That should be an interesting test. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Matt wrote: Andrews Antenna P3F-52-NXA 5.8GHz backhaul radio died today because of a power surge. Old Proxim gear, 2 x T1. I wanted some feedback from vendors/users of what they are using. I need to keep it under $5K if possible. Link distance: 8.3 miles Antennas: Andrews P3F-52-NXA http://www.ubnt.com/products/bullet.php At less then $70 for a 5.x ghz module the price cant be beat. Have a couple on hand to try but no experience with them yet. Matt --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ --- --- --- --- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 5.8GHz Backhaul Radio Recommendations
I just purchased a pair of the ps5 units and plan to give them a test also... Aerowire Alan Long Director of Network Operations alan.l...@aerowire.net 687 North Dean Road Auburn, AL 36830 tel: 3342759998 mobile: 336092 -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Matt Larsen - Lists Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 6:40 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] 5.8GHz Backhaul Radio Recommendations I just lent a pair of Bullet5 units to a friend who is planning to replace some old upconverted Alvarion BH units on a 26 mile link with 2' dishes. That should be an interesting test. Matt Larsen vistabeam.com Matt wrote: Andrews Antenna P3F-52-NXA 5.8GHz backhaul radio died today because of a power surge. Old Proxim gear, 2 x T1. I wanted some feedback from vendors/users of what they are using. I need to keep it under $5K if possible. Link distance: 8.3 miles Antennas: Andrews P3F-52-NXA http://www.ubnt.com/products/bullet.php At less then $70 for a 5.x ghz module the price cant be beat. Have a couple on hand to try but no experience with them yet. Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.3/1879 - Release Date: 1/6/2009 5:16 PM WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 5.8GHz Backhaul Radio Recommendations
I've got a 5GHz bullet talking to a WRAP on a 1 mile test link. It's working very well. I dont know about 8 miles though... -RickG On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 3:36 PM, Matt lm7...@gmail.com wrote: Andrews Antenna P3F-52-NXA 5.8GHz backhaul radio died today because of a power surge. Old Proxim gear, 2 x T1. I wanted some feedback from vendors/users of what they are using. I need to keep it under $5K if possible. Link distance: 8.3 miles Antennas: Andrews P3F-52-NXA http://www.ubnt.com/products/bullet.php At less then $70 for a 5.x ghz module the price cant be beat. Have a couple on hand to try but no experience with them yet. Matt WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] 5.8GHz Backhaul Radio Recommendations
Andrews Antenna P3F-52-NXA 5.8GHz backhaul radio died today because of a power surge. Old Proxim gear, 2 x T1. I wanted some feedback from vendors/users of what they are using. I need to keep it under $5K if possible. Link distance: 8.3 miles Antennas: Andrews P3F-52-NXA WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 5.8GHz Backhaul Radio Recommendations
A pair of Mikrotiks, radio cards and all, under $1K and you should be able to do 20Mbit. Pat O'Connor wrote: Andrews Antenna P3F-52-NXA 5.8GHz backhaul radio died today because of a power surge. Old Proxim gear, 2 x T1. I wanted some feedback from vendors/users of what they are using. I need to keep it under $5K if possible. Link distance: 8.3 miles Antennas: Andrews P3F-52-NXA WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 5.8GHz Backhaul Radio Recommendations
I have this installed and like it... Two RBs (currently 532 but today you'll want 433ah) Two xr5 or compex wlm54ag Dual polarity 5ghz dish Butch's blog and/or help in usinf OSPF to concatinate the two links. I would guess 400 for electronics, 400 for two dishes and 200 for materials. On 1/8/09, Blair Davis the...@wmwisp.net wrote: A pair of Mikrotiks, radio cards and all, under $1K and you should be able to do 20Mbit. Pat O'Connor wrote: Andrews Antenna P3F-52-NXA 5.8GHz backhaul radio died today because of a power surge. Old Proxim gear, 2 x T1. I wanted some feedback from vendors/users of what they are using. I need to keep it under $5K if possible. Link distance: 8.3 miles Antennas: Andrews P3F-52-NXA WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 5.8GHz Backhaul Radio Recommendations
Easy. Airaya. Easy to set up, rock solid reliable. You can get them from ec/hutton. marlon - Original Message - From: Pat O'Connor p...@inlandnet.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, January 08, 2009 5:39 PM Subject: [WISPA] 5.8GHz Backhaul Radio Recommendations Andrews Antenna P3F-52-NXA 5.8GHz backhaul radio died today because of a power surge. Old Proxim gear, 2 x T1. I wanted some feedback from vendors/users of what they are using. I need to keep it under $5K if possible. Link distance: 8.3 miles Antennas: Andrews P3F-52-NXA WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 5.8GHz Backhaul Radio Recommendations
Redline AN80i On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 7:39 PM, Pat O'Connor p...@inlandnet.com wrote: Andrews Antenna P3F-52-NXA 5.8GHz backhaul radio died today because of a power surge. Old Proxim gear, 2 x T1. I wanted some feedback from vendors/users of what they are using. I need to keep it under $5K if possible. Link distance: 8.3 miles Antennas: Andrews P3F-52-NXA WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 j...@boonlink.com www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail j...@boonlink.com, and delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to spoofing, spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the message or the source, please contact the sender directly. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 5.8GHz Backhaul Radio Recommendations
We're pretty exclusive to the AN80 on backhauls...just deployed a new one this week. And yes, Redline support is awesome On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 11:25 PM, Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.comwrote: I love the an50s. Redline support is unbelieveable. The 80s have more capability and are half the price, though I haven't gotten my hands on them. On 1/8/09, John McDowell j...@boonlink.com wrote: Redline AN80i On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 7:39 PM, Pat O'Connor p...@inlandnet.com wrote: Andrews Antenna P3F-52-NXA 5.8GHz backhaul radio died today because of a power surge. Old Proxim gear, 2 x T1. I wanted some feedback from vendors/users of what they are using. I need to keep it under $5K if possible. Link distance: 8.3 miles Antennas: Andrews P3F-52-NXA WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 j...@boonlink.com www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail j...@boonlink.com, and delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to spoofing, spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the message or the source, please contact the sender directly. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 Those who don't understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly. --- Henry Spencer WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- John M. McDowell Boonlink Communications 307 Grand Ave NW Fort Payne, AL 35967 256.844.9932 j...@boonlink.com www.boonlink.com This message contains information which may be confidential and privileged. Unless you are the addressee (or authorized to receive for the addressee), you may not use, copy, re-transmit, or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail j...@boonlink.com, and delete the message. E-mail communication is highly susceptible to spoofing, spamming, and other tampering, some of which may be harmful to your computer. If you are concerned about the authenticity of the message or the source, please contact the sender directly. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
