Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story

[Josh Luthman]

Lol Ubnt LTE :)

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Dec 17, 2014 10:25 PM,  wrote:

> At the air interface there is not much difference between WiMAX and LTE,
> and WiMAX had better characteristics for power consumption and other
> 'greenfield' factors, but LTE was the pathway for GSM operators, so almost
> all of the mobile operators in Europe committed to it, and the Verizon
> Wireless co-owner at the time, Vodafone, would have influenced the decision
> greatly. Lower deployment costs to upgrade existing networks and existing
> vendor relationships with the GSM manufacturers made the decision easy.
>
> Now imagine if Cambium and Ubiquiti announced LTE gear tomorrow? I bet
> quite a few members here would look at it.
>
> Daniel
>
>
> Josh Luthman  wrote ..
> > Well Wimax vs LTE I think was won when Verizon decided on it.
> >
> > It's like Bluray vs HDDVD - porn chose Bluray.  Or Beta vs VHS - porn
> chose
> > VHS.
> >
> >
> > Josh Luthman
> > Office: 937-552-2340
> > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > 1100 Wayne St
> > Suite 1337
> > Troy, OH 45373
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 8:18 PM, Patrick Leary  >
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >  Really, Guys, you are sounding like silly kids. Remind about it being
> > > just like WiMAX as you pull that LTE phone out of your pocket.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > *Patrick Leary*
> > >
> > > *M* 727.501.3735
> > >
> > > <http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> *On
> > > Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
> > > *Sent:* Wednesday, December 17, 2014 8:09 PM
> > > *To:* WISPA General List
> > > *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > The next idea is always a better one.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -
> > > Mike Hammett
> > > Intelligent Computing Solutions
> > > http://www.ics-il.com
> > >
> > > [image: Image removed by sender.] <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL
> >[image:
> > > Image removed by sender.]
> > > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>[image:
> > > Image removed by sender.]
> > > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions
> >[image:
> > > Image removed by sender.] <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> > >
> > >   --
> > >
> > > *From: *"Josh Luthman" 
> > > *To: *"WISPA General List" 
> > > *Sent: *Wednesday, December 17, 2014 7:08:04 PM
> > > *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story
> > >
> > > 5 years ago it was WiMAX vs LTE.  Didn't people say the same thing you
> are
> > > now about WiMAX?
> > >
> > > Josh Luthman
> > > Office: 937-552-2340
> > > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > > 1100 Wayne St
> > > Suite 1337
> > > Troy, OH 45373
> > >
> > > On Dec 17, 2014 7:06 PM, "Patrick Leary" 
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Not sure I understand the question in the sense WiMAX does not belong
> in
> > > the discussion. WiMAX was always at best a nichey thing, embraced by
> almost
> > > no large operator, save for a variety of small country fixed
> operators, not
> > > a global standard operating across most bands and universally accepted
> by
> > > carriers.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Just as Wi-Fi has subsumed pretty much everything else in local area
> > > wireless (and is now in fact synonymous with WLAN), LTE will do the
> same
> > > for PMP outdoor beyond commonly accepted Wi-Fi ranges (WISP Wi-Fi
> ranges
> > > are not commonly accepted in a macro market sense, but rather exist as
> a
> > > proprietary model for a deeply niche market).
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > *Patrick Leary*
> > >
> > > *M* 727.501.3735
> > >
> > >  <http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
> *On
> > > Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> > > *Sent:* Wednesday, December 17, 2014 6:22 PM
> > > *To:* WISPA General List
> > > *Subje

Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story

[daniel . mullen]

+1

Darin Steffl  wrote ..
> The only wimax phones that existed were a few phones on sprint where
> clearwire had built out coverage. No other national carrier had wimax and
> it was never fully adopted. Now every national carrier and many regional
> ones have LTE networks and have committed to that standard. This is
> worldwide as well with many carriers going LTE as their new data network.
> Wimax was never fully adopted by any industry while LTE has shown it is.
> 
> I agree with Patrick that many people here are ignorant of the standards
> and the scalability opportunities of LTE. I myself am ignorant of the facts
> as well but I'm learning not just from Patrick but reading about the new
> LTE releases coming up so I can respond here with educated answers. I
> suggest other operators do their research as well instead of just replying
> with childish answers to this thread. It is hurting our reputation to whine
> and complain about a new product and LTE standards when we don't know what
> we're talking about. This technology is working for operators who are using
> it so please continue to do more research as we hear from more people
> deploying it and then ask fair, educated questions like adults. Thank you
> 
> On Wednesday, December 17, 2014, Robert Andrews 
> wrote:
> 
> >  Well it's the invisible 800 lb gorilla for the rest of the tech in the
> > Internet...
> >
> >
> > On 12/17/14 5:45 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
> >
> > Uhm not sure that's the industry that would sway something like that...
> >
> > Josh Luthman
> > Office: 937-552-2340
> > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > 1100 Wayne St
> > Suite 1337
> > Troy, OH 45373
> > On Dec 17, 2014 8:39 PM, "Mike Hammett"  > > wrote:
> >
> >>  If porn chooses WiMAX will it come back?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -
> >> Mike Hammett
> >> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> >> http://www.ics-il.com
> >>
> >>  <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> >> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> >> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> >> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> >>
> >>  --
> >> *From: *"Josh Luthman"  >> >
> >> *To: *"WISPA General List"  >> >
> >> *Sent: *Wednesday, December 17, 2014 7:37:06 PM
> >> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story
> >>
> >> Well Wimax vs LTE I think was won when Verizon decided on it.
> >>
> >>  It's like Bluray vs HDDVD - porn chose Bluray.  Or Beta vs VHS - porn
> >> chose VHS.
> >>
> >>
> >>  Josh Luthman
> >> Office: 937-552-2340
> >> Direct: 937-552-2343
> >> 1100 Wayne St
> >> Suite 1337
> >> Troy, OH 45373
> >>
> >> On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 8:18 PM, Patrick Leary  >> > wrote:
> >>>
> >>>  Really, Guys, you are sounding like silly kids. Remind about it being
> >>> just like WiMAX as you pull that LTE phone out of your pocket.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> *Patrick Leary*
> >>>
> >>> *M* 727.501.3735
> >>>
> >>> <http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org
> >>>  [mailto:
> >>> wireless-boun...@wispa.org
> >>> ] *On
> >>> Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
> >>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 17, 2014 8:09 PM
> >>> *To:* WISPA General List
> >>> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> The next idea is always a better one.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> -
> >>> Mike Hammett
> >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> >>> http://www.ics-il.com
> >>>
> >>> [image: Image removed by sender.] <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>[image:
> >>> Image removed by sender.]
> >>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>[image:
> >>> Image removed by sender.]
> >>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>[image:
> >>> Image removed by sender.] <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> >>>
> >>>--
> >>>

Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story

[daniel . mullen]

At the air interface there is not much difference between WiMAX and LTE, and 
WiMAX had better characteristics for power consumption and other 'greenfield' 
factors, but LTE was the pathway for GSM operators, so almost all of the mobile 
operators in Europe committed to it, and the Verizon Wireless co-owner at the 
time, Vodafone, would have influenced the decision greatly. Lower deployment 
costs to upgrade existing networks and existing vendor relationships with the 
GSM manufacturers made the decision easy.

Now imagine if Cambium and Ubiquiti announced LTE gear tomorrow? I bet quite a 
few members here would look at it.

Daniel


Josh Luthman  wrote ..
> Well Wimax vs LTE I think was won when Verizon decided on it.
> 
> It's like Bluray vs HDDVD - porn chose Bluray.  Or Beta vs VHS - porn chose
> VHS.
> 
> 
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> 
> On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 8:18 PM, Patrick Leary 
> wrote:
> >
> >  Really, Guys, you are sounding like silly kids. Remind about it being
> > just like WiMAX as you pull that LTE phone out of your pocket.
> >
> >
> >
> > *Patrick Leary*
> >
> > *M* 727.501.3735
> >
> > <http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
> > Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
> > *Sent:* Wednesday, December 17, 2014 8:09 PM
> > *To:* WISPA General List
> > *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story
> >
> >
> >
> > The next idea is always a better one.
> >
> >
> >
> > -
> > Mike Hammett
> > Intelligent Computing Solutions
> > http://www.ics-il.com
> >
> > [image: Image removed by sender.] <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>[image:
> > Image removed by sender.]
> > <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>[image:
> > Image removed by sender.]
> > <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>[image:
> > Image removed by sender.] <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
> >
> >   --
> >
> > *From: *"Josh Luthman" 
> > *To: *"WISPA General List" 
> > *Sent: *Wednesday, December 17, 2014 7:08:04 PM
> > *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story
> >
> > 5 years ago it was WiMAX vs LTE.  Didn't people say the same thing you are
> > now about WiMAX?
> >
> > Josh Luthman
> > Office: 937-552-2340
> > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > 1100 Wayne St
> > Suite 1337
> > Troy, OH 45373
> >
> > On Dec 17, 2014 7:06 PM, "Patrick Leary"  wrote:
> >
> > Not sure I understand the question in the sense WiMAX does not belong in
> > the discussion. WiMAX was always at best a nichey thing, embraced by almost
> > no large operator, save for a variety of small country fixed operators, not
> > a global standard operating across most bands and universally accepted by
> > carriers.
> >
> >
> >
> > Just as Wi-Fi has subsumed pretty much everything else in local area
> > wireless (and is now in fact synonymous with WLAN), LTE will do the same
> > for PMP outdoor beyond commonly accepted Wi-Fi ranges (WISP Wi-Fi ranges
> > are not commonly accepted in a macro market sense, but rather exist as a
> > proprietary model for a deeply niche market).
> >
> >
> >
> > *Patrick Leary*
> >
> > *M* 727.501.3735
> >
> >  <http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
> > Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> > *Sent:* Wednesday, December 17, 2014 6:22 PM
> > *To:* WISPA General List
> > *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story
> >
> >
> >
> > 5 years ago, how did it look with Wimax and LTE?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Josh Luthman
> > Office: 937-552-2340
> > Direct: 937-552-2343
> > 1100 Wayne St
> > Suite 1337
> > Troy, OH 45373
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 6:20 PM, Patrick Leary 
> > wrote:
> >
> > I'm not betting on a company at all. I'm betting on an industry. No one
> > vendor is doing the LTE R&D. There's more R&D being invested in LTE
> > ecosystem wide than any other telecom technology in history I suspect.
> >
> >
> >
> > *Patrick Leary*
> >
> > *M* 727.501.3735
&g

Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story

[Mike Hammett]

The GSM carriers chose HSDPA for a while until that didn't really pan out. 

Verizon was the first to LTE, but the last to 4G, IIRC. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



- Original Message -

From: "Darin Steffl"  
To: "WISPA General List"  
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 8:36:04 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story 

The only wimax phones that existed were a few phones on sprint where clearwire 
had built out coverage. No other national carrier had wimax and it was never 
fully adopted. Now every national carrier and many regional ones have LTE 
networks and have committed to that standard. This is worldwide as well with 
many carriers going LTE as their new data network. Wimax was never fully 
adopted by any industry while LTE has shown it is. 


I agree with Patrick that many people here are ignorant of the standards and 
the scalability opportunities of LTE. I myself am ignorant of the facts as well 
but I'm learning not just from Patrick but reading about the new LTE releases 
coming up so I can respond here with educated answers. I suggest other 
operators do their research as well instead of just replying with childish 
answers to this thread. It is hurting our reputation to whine and complain 
about a new product and LTE standards when we don't know what we're talking 
about. This technology is working for operators who are using it so please 
continue to do more research as we hear from more people deploying it and then 
ask fair, educated questions like adults. Thank you 

On Wednesday, December 17, 2014, Robert Andrews < nos...@avantwireless.com > 
wrote: 



Well it's the invisible 800 lb gorilla for the rest of the tech in the 
Internet... 



On 12/17/14 5:45 PM, Josh Luthman wrote: 



Uhm not sure that's the industry that would sway something like that... 
Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 
On Dec 17, 2014 8:39 PM, "Mike Hammett" < wispawirel...@ics-il.net > wrote: 




If porn chooses WiMAX will it come back? 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 





From: "Josh Luthman" < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > 
To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > 
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 7:37:06 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story 


Well Wimax vs LTE I think was won when Verizon decided on it. 


It's like Bluray vs HDDVD - porn chose Bluray. Or Beta vs VHS - porn chose VHS. 






Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 

On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 8:18 PM, Patrick Leary < patrick.le...@telrad.com > 
wrote: 




Really, Guys, you are sounding like silly kids. Remind about it being just like 
WiMAX as you pull that LTE phone out of your pocket. 



Patrick Leary 
M 727.501.3735 








From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On 
Behalf Of Mike Hammett 
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 8:09 PM 
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story 


The next idea is always a better one. 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

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From: "Josh Luthman" < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > 
To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > 
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 7:08:04 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story 
5 years ago it was WiMAX vs LTE. Didn't people say the same thing you are now 
about WiMAX? 
Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 

On Dec 17, 2014 7:06 PM, "Patrick Leary" < patrick.le...@telrad.com > wrote: 


Not sure I understand the question in the sense WiMAX does not belong in the 
discussion. WiMAX was always at best a nichey thing, embraced by almost no 
large operator, save for a variety of small country fixed operators, not a 
global standard operating across most bands and universally accepted by 
carriers. 

Just as Wi-Fi has subsumed pretty much everything else in local area wireless 
(and is now in fact synonymous with WLAN), LTE will do the same for PMP outdoor 
beyond commonly accepted Wi-Fi ranges (WISP Wi-Fi ranges are not commonly 
accepted in a macro market sense, but rather exist as a proprietary model for a 
deeply niche market). 


Patrick Leary 
M 727.501.3735 







From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun

Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story

[Patrick Leary]

That's not what I said. Not remotely. I said LTE will dominate outdoor at range 
like Wi-Fi dominates the WLAN.

Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID
On Dec 17, 2014 8:36 PM, Josh Luthman  wrote:
Wimax was supposed to steam roll 802.11 in capacity and capability and now it's 
pretty much gone in 2014.  You're saying LTE will steam roll 802.11 
nowadays...seems kinda parallel to me.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 7:05 PM, Patrick Leary 
mailto:patrick.le...@telrad.com>> wrote:
Not sure I understand the question in the sense WiMAX does not belong in the 
discussion. WiMAX was always at best a nichey thing, embraced by almost no 
large operator, save for a variety of small country fixed operators, not a 
global standard operating across most bands and universally accepted by 
carriers.

Just as Wi-Fi has subsumed pretty much everything else in local area wireless 
(and is now in fact synonymous with WLAN), LTE will do the same for PMP outdoor 
beyond commonly accepted Wi-Fi ranges (WISP Wi-Fi ranges are not commonly 
accepted in a macro market sense, but rather exist as a proprietary model for a 
deeply niche market).

Patrick Leary
M 727.501.3735
[cid:image002.png@01D01A2C.2E987150]<http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet>





From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org> 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>] On 
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 6:22 PM

To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story

5 years ago, how did it look with Wimax and LTE?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 6:20 PM, Patrick Leary 
mailto:patrick.le...@telrad.com>> wrote:
I'm not betting on a company at all. I'm betting on an industry. No one vendor 
is doing the LTE R&D. There's more R&D being invested in LTE ecosystem wide 
than any other telecom technology in history I suspect.

Patrick Leary
M 727.501.3735
[cid:image004.png@01D01A2B.E2610770]<http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet>





From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org> 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>] On 
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 6:17 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story

Well you're betting on a company that's not doing hot against Verizon and AT&T 
=P

When they start competing against me I'll pay attention.  Since I'm confident 
they're not able to make money in rural areas like Clear or Open Range 
couldn't, I doubt third time is a charm.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 6:08 PM, Patrick Leary 
mailto:patrick.le...@telrad.com>> wrote:
Like I've been telling folks, LTE will steam roll. So much for the "LTE can't 
deal with unlicensed." Anyone want to bet against the billions being thrown 
into LTE for R&D and the top scientific minds using those funds? I expect they 
will easily overcome (to the extent needed) what some WISPs mistakenly think 
are intractable problems. Being a WISP and being a top EE/systems engineer are 
different disciplines.


Patrick Leary
M 727.501.3735
[cid:image004.png@01D01A2B.E2610770]<http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet>





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Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 5:53 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story

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Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story

[Darin Steffl]

The only wimax phones that existed were a few phones on sprint where
clearwire had built out coverage. No other national carrier had wimax and
it was never fully adopted. Now every national carrier and many regional
ones have LTE networks and have committed to that standard. This is
worldwide as well with many carriers going LTE as their new data network.
Wimax was never fully adopted by any industry while LTE has shown it is.

I agree with Patrick that many people here are ignorant of the standards
and the scalability opportunities of LTE. I myself am ignorant of the facts
as well but I'm learning not just from Patrick but reading about the new
LTE releases coming up so I can respond here with educated answers. I
suggest other operators do their research as well instead of just replying
with childish answers to this thread. It is hurting our reputation to whine
and complain about a new product and LTE standards when we don't know what
we're talking about. This technology is working for operators who are using
it so please continue to do more research as we hear from more people
deploying it and then ask fair, educated questions like adults. Thank you

On Wednesday, December 17, 2014, Robert Andrews 
wrote:

>  Well it's the invisible 800 lb gorilla for the rest of the tech in the
> Internet...
>
>
> On 12/17/14 5:45 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:
>
> Uhm not sure that's the industry that would sway something like that...
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
> On Dec 17, 2014 8:39 PM, "Mike Hammett"  > wrote:
>
>>  If porn chooses WiMAX will it come back?
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>>  <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
>> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>
>>  ------
>> *From: *"Josh Luthman" > >
>> *To: *"WISPA General List" > >
>> *Sent: *Wednesday, December 17, 2014 7:37:06 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story
>>
>> Well Wimax vs LTE I think was won when Verizon decided on it.
>>
>>  It's like Bluray vs HDDVD - porn chose Bluray.  Or Beta vs VHS - porn
>> chose VHS.
>>
>>
>>  Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 8:18 PM, Patrick Leary > > wrote:
>>>
>>>  Really, Guys, you are sounding like silly kids. Remind about it being
>>> just like WiMAX as you pull that LTE phone out of your pocket.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Patrick Leary*
>>>
>>> *M* 727.501.3735
>>>
>>> <http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org
>>>  [mailto:
>>> wireless-boun...@wispa.org
>>> ] *On
>>> Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 17, 2014 8:09 PM
>>> *To:* WISPA General List
>>> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The next idea is always a better one.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>
>>> [image: Image removed by sender.] <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>[image:
>>> Image removed by sender.]
>>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>[image:
>>> Image removed by sender.]
>>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>[image:
>>> Image removed by sender.] <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>>
>>>--
>>>
>>> *From: *"Josh Luthman" >> >
>>> *To: *"WISPA General List" >> >
>>> *Sent: *Wednesday, December 17, 2014 7:08:04 PM
>>> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story
>>>
>>> 5 years ago it was WiMAX vs LTE.  Didn't people say the same thing you
>>> are now about WiMAX?
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>> On Dec 17, 2014 

Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story

[Robert Andrews]

Well it's the invisible 800 lb gorilla for the rest of the tech in the 
Internet...



On 12/17/14 5:45 PM, Josh Luthman wrote:


Uhm not sure that's the industry that would sway something like that...

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Dec 17, 2014 8:39 PM, "Mike Hammett" <mailto:wispawirel...@ics-il.net>> wrote:


If porn chooses WiMAX will it come back?



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


<https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL><https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb><https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions><https://twitter.com/ICSIL>


*From: *"Josh Luthman" mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
*To: *"WISPA General List" mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
    *Sent: *Wednesday, December 17, 2014 7:37:06 PM
*Subject: *Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story

Well Wimax vs LTE I think was won when Verizon decided on it.

It's like Bluray vs HDDVD - porn chose Bluray. Or Beta vs VHS -
porn chose VHS.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 8:18 PM, Patrick Leary
mailto:patrick.le...@telrad.com>> wrote:

Really, Guys, you are sounding like silly kids. Remind about
it being just like WiMAX as you pull that LTE phone out of
your pocket.

*Patrick Leary*

***M*727.501.3735 

<http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet>


*From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org
<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
    *Sent:* Wednesday, December 17, 2014 8:09 PM
*To:* WISPA General List
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story

The next idea is always a better one.



-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com

Image removed by sender. <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>Image
removed by sender.
<https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>Image
removed by sender.
<https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>Image
removed by sender. <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>



*From: *"Josh Luthman" mailto:j...@imaginenetworksllc.com>>
    *To: *"WISPA General List" mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
*Sent: *Wednesday, December 17, 2014 7:08:04 PM
*Subject: *Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story

5 years ago it was WiMAX vs LTE. Didn't people say the same
thing you are now about WiMAX?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Dec 17, 2014 7:06 PM, "Patrick Leary"
mailto:patrick.le...@telrad.com>>
wrote:

Not sure I understand the question in the sense WiMAX does not
belong in the discussion. WiMAX was always at best a nichey
thing, embraced by almost no large operator, save for a
variety of small country fixed operators, not a global
standard operating across most bands and universally accepted
by carriers.

Just as Wi-Fi has subsumed pretty much everything else in
local area wireless (and is now in fact synonymous with WLAN),
LTE will do the same for PMP outdoor beyond commonly accepted
Wi-Fi ranges (WISP Wi-Fi ranges are not commonly accepted in a
macro market sense, but rather exist as a proprietary model
for a deeply niche market).

*Patrick Leary*

*M*727.501.3735 

<http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet>


*From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org
<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org
        <mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>] *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
*Sent:* Wednesday, December 17, 2014 6:22 PM
*To:* WISPA General List
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story

5 years ago, how did it look with Wimax and LTE?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 6:20 PM, Patrick Leary
mailto:patrick.le...@telrad.com>>
wrote:

I'm not betting on a company at all. I'm betting on an

Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story

[Josh Luthman]

Uhm not sure that's the industry that would sway something like that...

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Dec 17, 2014 8:39 PM, "Mike Hammett"  wrote:

> If porn chooses WiMAX will it come back?
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>
> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>
> --
> *From: *"Josh Luthman" 
> *To: *"WISPA General List" 
> *Sent: *Wednesday, December 17, 2014 7:37:06 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story
>
> Well Wimax vs LTE I think was won when Verizon decided on it.
>
> It's like Bluray vs HDDVD - porn chose Bluray.  Or Beta vs VHS - porn
> chose VHS.
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 8:18 PM, Patrick Leary 
> wrote:
>>
>>  Really, Guys, you are sounding like silly kids. Remind about it being
>> just like WiMAX as you pull that LTE phone out of your pocket.
>>
>>
>>
>> *Patrick Leary*
>>
>> *M* 727.501.3735
>>
>> <http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
>> Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 17, 2014 8:09 PM
>> *To:* WISPA General List
>> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story
>>
>>
>>
>> The next idea is always a better one.
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>
>> [image: Image removed by sender.] <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>[image:
>> Image removed by sender.]
>> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>[image:
>> Image removed by sender.]
>> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>[image:
>> Image removed by sender.] <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>>
>>   --
>>
>> *From: *"Josh Luthman" 
>> *To: *"WISPA General List" 
>> *Sent: *Wednesday, December 17, 2014 7:08:04 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story
>>
>> 5 years ago it was WiMAX vs LTE.  Didn't people say the same thing you
>> are now about WiMAX?
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>> On Dec 17, 2014 7:06 PM, "Patrick Leary" 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Not sure I understand the question in the sense WiMAX does not belong in
>> the discussion. WiMAX was always at best a nichey thing, embraced by almost
>> no large operator, save for a variety of small country fixed operators, not
>> a global standard operating across most bands and universally accepted by
>> carriers.
>>
>>
>>
>> Just as Wi-Fi has subsumed pretty much everything else in local area
>> wireless (and is now in fact synonymous with WLAN), LTE will do the same
>> for PMP outdoor beyond commonly accepted Wi-Fi ranges (WISP Wi-Fi ranges
>> are not commonly accepted in a macro market sense, but rather exist as a
>> proprietary model for a deeply niche market).
>>
>>
>>
>> *Patrick Leary*
>>
>> *M* 727.501.3735
>>
>>  <http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
>> Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 17, 2014 6:22 PM
>> *To:* WISPA General List
>> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story
>>
>>
>>
>> 5 years ago, how did it look with Wimax and LTE?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 6:20 PM, Patrick Leary 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I'm not betting on a company at all. I'm betting on an industry. No one
>> vendor is doing the LTE R&D. There's more R&D being invested in LTE
>> ecosystem wide than any other telecom technology in history I suspect.
&g

Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story

[Mike Hammett]

If porn chooses WiMAX will it come back? 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



- Original Message -

From: "Josh Luthman"  
To: "WISPA General List"  
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 7:37:06 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story 


Well Wimax vs LTE I think was won when Verizon decided on it. 


It's like Bluray vs HDDVD - porn chose Bluray. Or Beta vs VHS - porn chose VHS. 






Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 

On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 8:18 PM, Patrick Leary < patrick.le...@telrad.com > 
wrote: 




Really, Guys, you are sounding like silly kids. Remind about it being just like 
WiMAX as you pull that LTE phone out of your pocket. 



Patrick Leary 
M 727.501.3735 







From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On 
Behalf Of Mike Hammett 
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 8:09 PM 
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story 


The next idea is always a better one. 



- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

Image removed by sender.Image removed by sender.Image removed by sender.Image 
removed by sender.







From: "Josh Luthman" < j...@imaginenetworksllc.com > 
To: "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > 
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 7:08:04 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story 
5 years ago it was WiMAX vs LTE. Didn't people say the same thing you are now 
about WiMAX? 
Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 

On Dec 17, 2014 7:06 PM, "Patrick Leary" < patrick.le...@telrad.com > wrote: 


Not sure I understand the question in the sense WiMAX does not belong in the 
discussion. WiMAX was always at best a nichey thing, embraced by almost no 
large operator, save for a variety of small country fixed operators, not a 
global standard operating across most bands and universally accepted by 
carriers. 

Just as Wi-Fi has subsumed pretty much everything else in local area wireless 
(and is now in fact synonymous with WLAN), LTE will do the same for PMP outdoor 
beyond commonly accepted Wi-Fi ranges (WISP Wi-Fi ranges are not commonly 
accepted in a macro market sense, but rather exist as a proprietary model for a 
deeply niche market). 


Patrick Leary 
M 727.501.3735 






From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On 
Behalf Of Josh Luthman 
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 6:22 PM 
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story 


5 years ago, how did it look with Wimax and LTE? 








Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 


On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 6:20 PM, Patrick Leary < patrick.le...@telrad.com > 
wrote: 


I'm not betting on a company at all. I'm betting on an industry. No one vendor 
is doing the LTE R&D. There's more R&D being invested in LTE ecosystem wide 
than any other telecom technology in history I suspect. 


Patrick Leary 
M 727.501.3735 






From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On 
Behalf Of Josh Luthman 
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 6:17 PM 
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story 




Well you're betting on a company that's not doing hot against Verizon and AT&T 
=P 



When they start competing against me I'll pay attention. Since I'm confident 
they're not able to make money in rural areas like Clear or Open Range 
couldn't, I doubt third time is a charm. 








Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 


On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 6:08 PM, Patrick Leary < patrick.le...@telrad.com > 
wrote: 


Like I've been telling folks, LTE will steam roll. So much for the "LTE can't 
deal with unlicensed." Anyone want to bet against the billions being thrown 
into LTE for R&D and the top scientific minds using those funds? I expect they 
will easily overcome (to the extent needed) what some WISPs mistakenly think 
are intractable problems. Being a WISP and being a top EE/systems engineer are 
different disciplines. 




Patrick Leary 
M 727.501.3735 







From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On 
Behalf Of Gino Villarini 
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 5:53 PM 
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story 




@LTEwatch: "Confirmed: T-Mobile to launch unlicensed LTE at 5 GHz, possibly 

Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story

[Josh Luthman]

Well Wimax vs LTE I think was won when Verizon decided on it.

It's like Bluray vs HDDVD - porn chose Bluray.  Or Beta vs VHS - porn chose
VHS.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 8:18 PM, Patrick Leary 
wrote:
>
>  Really, Guys, you are sounding like silly kids. Remind about it being
> just like WiMAX as you pull that LTE phone out of your pocket.
>
>
>
> *Patrick Leary*
>
> *M* 727.501.3735
>
> <http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 17, 2014 8:09 PM
> *To:* WISPA General List
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story
>
>
>
> The next idea is always a better one.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions
> http://www.ics-il.com
>
> [image: Image removed by sender.] <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL>[image:
> Image removed by sender.]
> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb>[image:
> Image removed by sender.]
> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions>[image:
> Image removed by sender.] <https://twitter.com/ICSIL>
>
>   ----------
>
> *From: *"Josh Luthman" 
> *To: *"WISPA General List" 
> *Sent: *Wednesday, December 17, 2014 7:08:04 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story
>
> 5 years ago it was WiMAX vs LTE.  Didn't people say the same thing you are
> now about WiMAX?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> On Dec 17, 2014 7:06 PM, "Patrick Leary"  wrote:
>
> Not sure I understand the question in the sense WiMAX does not belong in
> the discussion. WiMAX was always at best a nichey thing, embraced by almost
> no large operator, save for a variety of small country fixed operators, not
> a global standard operating across most bands and universally accepted by
> carriers.
>
>
>
> Just as Wi-Fi has subsumed pretty much everything else in local area
> wireless (and is now in fact synonymous with WLAN), LTE will do the same
> for PMP outdoor beyond commonly accepted Wi-Fi ranges (WISP Wi-Fi ranges
> are not commonly accepted in a macro market sense, but rather exist as a
> proprietary model for a deeply niche market).
>
>
>
> *Patrick Leary*
>
> *M* 727.501.3735
>
>  <http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 17, 2014 6:22 PM
> *To:* WISPA General List
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story
>
>
>
> 5 years ago, how did it look with Wimax and LTE?
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 6:20 PM, Patrick Leary 
> wrote:
>
> I'm not betting on a company at all. I'm betting on an industry. No one
> vendor is doing the LTE R&D. There's more R&D being invested in LTE
> ecosystem wide than any other telecom technology in history I suspect.
>
>
>
> *Patrick Leary*
>
> *M* 727.501.3735
>
>  <http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 17, 2014 6:17 PM
> *To:* WISPA General List
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story
>
>
>
> Well you're betting on a company that's not doing hot against Verizon and
> AT&T =P
>
>
>
> When they start competing against me I'll pay attention.  Since I'm
> confident they're not able to make money in rural areas like Clear or Open
> Range couldn't, I doubt third time is a charm.
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 6:08 PM, Patrick Leary 
> wrote:
>
> Like I've been telling folks, LTE will steam roll. So much for the "LTE
> can't deal with unlicensed." Anyone want to bet against the billions being
> thrown into LTE for R&D and the top scientific minds using those funds? I
> expect they will easily overcome (to the extent needed) what some WISPs
> mistakenly think are intractable problems. Being a WISP and being a top
> EE/systems e

Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story

[Josh Luthman]

Wimax was supposed to steam roll 802.11 in capacity and capability and now
it's pretty much gone in 2014.  You're saying LTE will steam roll 802.11
nowadays...seems kinda parallel to me.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 7:05 PM, Patrick Leary 
wrote:
>
>  Not sure I understand the question in the sense WiMAX does not belong in
> the discussion. WiMAX was always at best a nichey thing, embraced by almost
> no large operator, save for a variety of small country fixed operators, not
> a global standard operating across most bands and universally accepted by
> carriers.
>
>
>
> Just as Wi-Fi has subsumed pretty much everything else in local area
> wireless (and is now in fact synonymous with WLAN), LTE will do the same
> for PMP outdoor beyond commonly accepted Wi-Fi ranges (WISP Wi-Fi ranges
> are not commonly accepted in a macro market sense, but rather exist as a
> proprietary model for a deeply niche market).
>
>
>
> *Patrick Leary*
>
> *M* 727.501.3735
>
> <http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 17, 2014 6:22 PM
>
> *To:* WISPA General List
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story
>
>
>
> 5 years ago, how did it look with Wimax and LTE?
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 6:20 PM, Patrick Leary 
> wrote:
>
> I'm not betting on a company at all. I'm betting on an industry. No one
> vendor is doing the LTE R&D. There's more R&D being invested in LTE
> ecosystem wide than any other telecom technology in history I suspect.
>
>
>
> *Patrick Leary*
>
> *M* 727.501.3735
>
>  <http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 17, 2014 6:17 PM
> *To:* WISPA General List
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story
>
>
>
> Well you're betting on a company that's not doing hot against Verizon and
> AT&T =P
>
>
>
> When they start competing against me I'll pay attention.  Since I'm
> confident they're not able to make money in rural areas like Clear or Open
> Range couldn't, I doubt third time is a charm.
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 6:08 PM, Patrick Leary 
> wrote:
>
> Like I've been telling folks, LTE will steam roll. So much for the "LTE
> can't deal with unlicensed." Anyone want to bet against the billions being
> thrown into LTE for R&D and the top scientific minds using those funds? I
> expect they will easily overcome (to the extent needed) what some WISPs
> mistakenly think are intractable problems. Being a WISP and being a top
> EE/systems engineer are different disciplines.
>
>
>
>
>
> *Patrick Leary*
>
> *M* 727.501.3735
>
>  <http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story

[Mike Hammett]

But at the time it was WiMAX is taking over the world because it was a standard 
and there were tons of people showing up. Yes, I did have a WiMAX phone and it 
was pretty awesome where they built coverage. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



- Original Message -

From: "Patrick Leary"  
To: "WISPA General List"  
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 7:18:14 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story 



Really, Guys, you are sounding like silly kids. Remind about it being just like 
WiMAX as you pull that LTE phone out of your pocket. 



Patrick Leary 
M 727.501.3735 







From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Mike Hammett 
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 8:09 PM 
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story 


The next idea is always a better one. 



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Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 

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From: "Josh Luthman"  
To: "WISPA General List"  
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 7:08:04 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story 
5 years ago it was WiMAX vs LTE. Didn't people say the same thing you are now 
about WiMAX? 
Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 

On Dec 17, 2014 7:06 PM, "Patrick Leary" < patrick.le...@telrad.com > wrote: 


Not sure I understand the question in the sense WiMAX does not belong in the 
discussion. WiMAX was always at best a nichey thing, embraced by almost no 
large operator, save for a variety of small country fixed operators, not a 
global standard operating across most bands and universally accepted by 
carriers. 

Just as Wi-Fi has subsumed pretty much everything else in local area wireless 
(and is now in fact synonymous with WLAN), LTE will do the same for PMP outdoor 
beyond commonly accepted Wi-Fi ranges (WISP Wi-Fi ranges are not commonly 
accepted in a macro market sense, but rather exist as a proprietary model for a 
deeply niche market). 


Patrick Leary 
M 727.501.3735 






From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On 
Behalf Of Josh Luthman 
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 6:22 PM 
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story 


5 years ago, how did it look with Wimax and LTE? 








Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 


On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 6:20 PM, Patrick Leary < patrick.le...@telrad.com > 
wrote: 


I'm not betting on a company at all. I'm betting on an industry. No one vendor 
is doing the LTE R&D. There's more R&D being invested in LTE ecosystem wide 
than any other telecom technology in history I suspect. 


Patrick Leary 
M 727.501.3735 






From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On 
Behalf Of Josh Luthman 
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 6:17 PM 
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story 




Well you're betting on a company that's not doing hot against Verizon and AT&T 
=P 



When they start competing against me I'll pay attention. Since I'm confident 
they're not able to make money in rural areas like Clear or Open Range 
couldn't, I doubt third time is a charm. 








Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 


On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 6:08 PM, Patrick Leary < patrick.le...@telrad.com > 
wrote: 


Like I've been telling folks, LTE will steam roll. So much for the "LTE can't 
deal with unlicensed." Anyone want to bet against the billions being thrown 
into LTE for R&D and the top scientific minds using those funds? I expect they 
will easily overcome (to the extent needed) what some WISPs mistakenly think 
are intractable problems. Being a WISP and being a top EE/systems engineer are 
different disciplines. 




Patrick Leary 
M 727.501.3735 







From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On 
Behalf Of Gino Villarini 
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 5:53 PM 
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story 




@LTEwatch: "Confirmed: T-Mobile to launch unlicensed LTE at 5 GHz, possibly 
next year" http://t.co/GyPo5iFt1y 

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Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story

[Patrick Leary]

Really, Guys, you are sounding like silly kids. Remind about it being just like 
WiMAX as you pull that LTE phone out of your pocket.

Patrick Leary
M 727.501.3735
[cid:image001.png@01D01A36.4AD8C220]<http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet>





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Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 8:09 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story

The next idea is always a better one.


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Intelligent Computing Solutions
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From: "Josh Luthman" 
To: "WISPA General List" 
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 7:08:04 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story

5 years ago it was WiMAX vs LTE.  Didn't people say the same thing you are now 
about WiMAX?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Dec 17, 2014 7:06 PM, "Patrick Leary" 
mailto:patrick.le...@telrad.com>> wrote:
Not sure I understand the question in the sense WiMAX does not belong in the 
discussion. WiMAX was always at best a nichey thing, embraced by almost no 
large operator, save for a variety of small country fixed operators, not a 
global standard operating across most bands and universally accepted by 
carriers.

Just as Wi-Fi has subsumed pretty much everything else in local area wireless 
(and is now in fact synonymous with WLAN), LTE will do the same for PMP outdoor 
beyond commonly accepted Wi-Fi ranges (WISP Wi-Fi ranges are not commonly 
accepted in a macro market sense, but rather exist as a proprietary model for a 
deeply niche market).

Patrick Leary
M 727.501.3735
[cid:image002.png@01D01A36.4AD8C220]<http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet>





From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org> 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>] On 
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 6:22 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story

5 years ago, how did it look with Wimax and LTE?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 6:20 PM, Patrick Leary 
mailto:patrick.le...@telrad.com>> wrote:
I'm not betting on a company at all. I'm betting on an industry. No one vendor 
is doing the LTE R&D. There's more R&D being invested in LTE ecosystem wide 
than any other telecom technology in history I suspect.

Patrick Leary
M 727.501.3735
[cid:image002.png@01D01A36.4AD8C220]<http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet>





From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org> 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>] On 
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 6:17 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story

Well you're betting on a company that's not doing hot against Verizon and AT&T 
=P

When they start competing against me I'll pay attention.  Since I'm confident 
they're not able to make money in rural areas like Clear or Open Range 
couldn't, I doubt third time is a charm.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 6:08 PM, Patrick Leary 
mailto:patrick.le...@telrad.com>> wrote:
Like I've been telling folks, LTE will steam roll. So much for the "LTE can't 
deal with unlicensed." Anyone want to bet against the billions being thrown 
into LTE for R&D and the top scientific minds using those funds? I expect they 
will easily overcome (to the extent needed) what some WISPs mistakenly think 
are intractable problems. Being a WISP and being a top EE/systems engineer are 
different disciplines.


Patrick Leary
M 727.501.3735
[cid:image002.png@01D01A36.4AD8C220]<http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet>





From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org> 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>] On 
Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 5:53 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story

@LTEwatch: "Confirmed: T-Mobile to launch unlicensed LTE at 5 GHz, possibly 
next year" http://t.co/GyPo5iFt1y

Original Message<https://twitter.com/LTEwatch/status/545341191085359104>

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Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story

[Patrick Leary]

No, not unless they were idiots. You never heard it from me. LTE won. Game 
over. Some of us expected it. , that awareness said nothing about the solution 
qualitatively. It was always a fine solution; it is just the business model was 
too blissfully utopian.

Are you really trying to debate the point? I not interested in re-hashing old 
history or giving a master's level lecture in why WiMAX failed, to be blunt 
(aren't I always). Guys like me were not bystanders to it, we were party to it 
(vetoed parties I might add), some of us from literally day 1. You won't see me 
debating you about how to set up your Powercode or the like. I'm self aware to 
know what I don't know.

Patrick Leary
M 727.501.3735
[cid:image004.png@01D01A36.1FB0C8E0]<http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet>





From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 8:08 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story


5 years ago it was WiMAX vs LTE.  Didn't people say the same thing you are now 
about WiMAX?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Dec 17, 2014 7:06 PM, "Patrick Leary" 
mailto:patrick.le...@telrad.com>> wrote:
Not sure I understand the question in the sense WiMAX does not belong in the 
discussion. WiMAX was always at best a nichey thing, embraced by almost no 
large operator, save for a variety of small country fixed operators, not a 
global standard operating across most bands and universally accepted by 
carriers.

Just as Wi-Fi has subsumed pretty much everything else in local area wireless 
(and is now in fact synonymous with WLAN), LTE will do the same for PMP outdoor 
beyond commonly accepted Wi-Fi ranges (WISP Wi-Fi ranges are not commonly 
accepted in a macro market sense, but rather exist as a proprietary model for a 
deeply niche market).

Patrick Leary
M 727.501.3735
[cid:image003.png@01D01A35.E3A89710]<http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet>





From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org> 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>] On 
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 6:22 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story

5 years ago, how did it look with Wimax and LTE?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 6:20 PM, Patrick Leary 
mailto:patrick.le...@telrad.com>> wrote:
I'm not betting on a company at all. I'm betting on an industry. No one vendor 
is doing the LTE R&D. There's more R&D being invested in LTE ecosystem wide 
than any other telecom technology in history I suspect.

Patrick Leary
M 727.501.3735
[cid:image003.png@01D01A35.E3A89710]<http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet>





From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org> 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>] On 
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 6:17 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story

Well you're betting on a company that's not doing hot against Verizon and AT&T 
=P

When they start competing against me I'll pay attention.  Since I'm confident 
they're not able to make money in rural areas like Clear or Open Range 
couldn't, I doubt third time is a charm.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 6:08 PM, Patrick Leary 
mailto:patrick.le...@telrad.com>> wrote:
Like I've been telling folks, LTE will steam roll. So much for the "LTE can't 
deal with unlicensed." Anyone want to bet against the billions being thrown 
into LTE for R&D and the top scientific minds using those funds? I expect they 
will easily overcome (to the extent needed) what some WISPs mistakenly think 
are intractable problems. Being a WISP and being a top EE/systems engineer are 
different disciplines.


Patrick Leary
M 727.501.3735
[cid:image003.png@01D01A35.E3A89710]<http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet>





From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org> 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>] On 
Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 5:53 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story

@LTEwatch: "Confirmed: T-Mobile to launch unlicensed LTE at 5 GHz, possibly 
next year" http://t.co/GyPo5iFt1y

Original Message<https://twitter.com/LTEwatch/status/545341191085359104>

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[Mike Hammett]

The next idea is always a better one. 




- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 
http://www.ics-il.com 



- Original Message -

From: "Josh Luthman"  
To: "WISPA General List"  
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 7:08:04 PM 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story 


5 years ago it was WiMAX vs LTE. Didn't people say the same thing you are now 
about WiMAX? 
Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 
On Dec 17, 2014 7:06 PM, "Patrick Leary" < patrick.le...@telrad.com > wrote: 





Not sure I understand the question in the sense WiMAX does not belong in the 
discussion. WiMAX was always at best a nichey thing, embraced by almost no 
large operator, save for a variety of small country fixed operators, not a 
global standard operating across most bands and universally accepted by 
carriers. 

Just as Wi-Fi has subsumed pretty much everything else in local area wireless 
(and is now in fact synonymous with WLAN), LTE will do the same for PMP outdoor 
beyond commonly accepted Wi-Fi ranges (WISP Wi-Fi ranges are not commonly 
accepted in a macro market sense, but rather exist as a proprietary model for a 
deeply niche market). 


Patrick Leary 
M 727.501.3735 






From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On 
Behalf Of Josh Luthman 
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 6:22 PM 
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story 


5 years ago, how did it look with Wimax and LTE? 








Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 


On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 6:20 PM, Patrick Leary < patrick.le...@telrad.com > 
wrote: 


I'm not betting on a company at all. I'm betting on an industry. No one vendor 
is doing the LTE R&D. There's more R&D being invested in LTE ecosystem wide 
than any other telecom technology in history I suspect. 


Patrick Leary 
M 727.501.3735 






From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On 
Behalf Of Josh Luthman 
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 6:17 PM 
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story 




Well you're betting on a company that's not doing hot against Verizon and AT&T 
=P 



When they start competing against me I'll pay attention. Since I'm confident 
they're not able to make money in rural areas like Clear or Open Range 
couldn't, I doubt third time is a charm. 








Josh Luthman 
Office: 937-552-2340 
Direct: 937-552-2343 
1100 Wayne St 
Suite 1337 
Troy, OH 45373 


On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 6:08 PM, Patrick Leary < patrick.le...@telrad.com > 
wrote: 


Like I've been telling folks, LTE will steam roll. So much for the "LTE can't 
deal with unlicensed." Anyone want to bet against the billions being thrown 
into LTE for R&D and the top scientific minds using those funds? I expect they 
will easily overcome (to the extent needed) what some WISPs mistakenly think 
are intractable problems. Being a WISP and being a top EE/systems engineer are 
different disciplines. 




Patrick Leary 
M 727.501.3735 







From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On 
Behalf Of Gino Villarini 
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 5:53 PM 
To: WISPA General List 
Subject: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story 




@LTEwatch: "Confirmed: T-Mobile to launch unlicensed LTE at 5 GHz, possibly 
next year" http://t.co/GyPo5iFt1y 

Original Message 

Click below to easily share or schedule to Twitter, Facebook and LinkedIn: 
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Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story

[Josh Luthman]

5 years ago it was WiMAX vs LTE.  Didn't people say the same thing you are
now about WiMAX?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373
On Dec 17, 2014 7:06 PM, "Patrick Leary"  wrote:

>  Not sure I understand the question in the sense WiMAX does not belong in
> the discussion. WiMAX was always at best a nichey thing, embraced by almost
> no large operator, save for a variety of small country fixed operators, not
> a global standard operating across most bands and universally accepted by
> carriers.
>
>
>
> Just as Wi-Fi has subsumed pretty much everything else in local area
> wireless (and is now in fact synonymous with WLAN), LTE will do the same
> for PMP outdoor beyond commonly accepted Wi-Fi ranges (WISP Wi-Fi ranges
> are not commonly accepted in a macro market sense, but rather exist as a
> proprietary model for a deeply niche market).
>
>
>
> *Patrick Leary*
>
> *M* 727.501.3735
>
> <http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 17, 2014 6:22 PM
> *To:* WISPA General List
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story
>
>
>
> 5 years ago, how did it look with Wimax and LTE?
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 6:20 PM, Patrick Leary 
> wrote:
>
> I'm not betting on a company at all. I'm betting on an industry. No one
> vendor is doing the LTE R&D. There's more R&D being invested in LTE
> ecosystem wide than any other telecom technology in history I suspect.
>
>
>
> *Patrick Leary*
>
> *M* 727.501.3735
>
>  <http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 17, 2014 6:17 PM
> *To:* WISPA General List
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story
>
>
>
> Well you're betting on a company that's not doing hot against Verizon and
> AT&T =P
>
>
>
> When they start competing against me I'll pay attention.  Since I'm
> confident they're not able to make money in rural areas like Clear or Open
> Range couldn't, I doubt third time is a charm.
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 6:08 PM, Patrick Leary 
> wrote:
>
> Like I've been telling folks, LTE will steam roll. So much for the "LTE
> can't deal with unlicensed." Anyone want to bet against the billions being
> thrown into LTE for R&D and the top scientific minds using those funds? I
> expect they will easily overcome (to the extent needed) what some WISPs
> mistakenly think are intractable problems. Being a WISP and being a top
> EE/systems engineer are different disciplines.
>
>
>
>
>
> *Patrick Leary*
>
> *M* 727.501.3735
>
>  <http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Gino Villarini
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 17, 2014 5:53 PM
> *To:* WISPA General List
> *Subject:* [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story
>
>
>
> @LTEwatch: "Confirmed: T-Mobile to launch unlicensed LTE at 5 GHz,
> possibly next year" http://t.co/GyPo5iFt1y
>
> Original Message <https://twitter.com/LTEwatch/status/545341191085359104>
>
> Click below to easily share or schedule to Twitter, Facebook and LinkedIn:
> Easy Share Link
> <https://hootsuite.com/hootlet/social-share?partner=BSUiPhone&title=%40LTEwatch%3A%20%22Confirmed%3A%20T-Mobile%20to%20launch%20unlicensed%20LTE%20at%205%20GHz%2C%20possibly%20next%20year%22%20http%3A%2F%2Ft.co%2FGyPo5iFt1y>
>
>
>
> Gino A. Villarini
>
> @gvillarini
>
>
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story

[Patrick Leary]

Not sure I understand the question in the sense WiMAX does not belong in the 
discussion. WiMAX was always at best a nichey thing, embraced by almost no 
large operator, save for a variety of small country fixed operators, not a 
global standard operating across most bands and universally accepted by 
carriers.

Just as Wi-Fi has subsumed pretty much everything else in local area wireless 
(and is now in fact synonymous with WLAN), LTE will do the same for PMP outdoor 
beyond commonly accepted Wi-Fi ranges (WISP Wi-Fi ranges are not commonly 
accepted in a macro market sense, but rather exist as a proprietary model for a 
deeply niche market).

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M 727.501.3735
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 6:22 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story

5 years ago, how did it look with Wimax and LTE?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 6:20 PM, Patrick Leary 
mailto:patrick.le...@telrad.com>> wrote:
I'm not betting on a company at all. I'm betting on an industry. No one vendor 
is doing the LTE R&D. There's more R&D being invested in LTE ecosystem wide 
than any other telecom technology in history I suspect.

Patrick Leary
M 727.501.3735
[cid:image004.png@01D01A2B.E2610770]<http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet>





From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org> 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>] On 
Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 6:17 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story

Well you're betting on a company that's not doing hot against Verizon and AT&T 
=P

When they start competing against me I'll pay attention.  Since I'm confident 
they're not able to make money in rural areas like Clear or Open Range 
couldn't, I doubt third time is a charm.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 6:08 PM, Patrick Leary 
mailto:patrick.le...@telrad.com>> wrote:
Like I've been telling folks, LTE will steam roll. So much for the "LTE can't 
deal with unlicensed." Anyone want to bet against the billions being thrown 
into LTE for R&D and the top scientific minds using those funds? I expect they 
will easily overcome (to the extent needed) what some WISPs mistakenly think 
are intractable problems. Being a WISP and being a top EE/systems engineer are 
different disciplines.


Patrick Leary
M 727.501.3735
[cid:image004.png@01D01A2B.E2610770]<http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet>





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@LTEwatch: "Confirmed: T-Mobile to launch unlicensed LTE at 5 GHz, possibly 
next year" http://t.co/GyPo5iFt1y

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Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story

[Patrick Leary]

I agree re the rural. Open Range though is a bad example. They were a crap 
organization from the get go, building solely to turn a buck. It was always to 
BS story to those of us with half a brain.

Patrick Leary
M 727.501.3735
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 6:17 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story

Well you're betting on a company that's not doing hot against Verizon and AT&T 
=P

When they start competing against me I'll pay attention.  Since I'm confident 
they're not able to make money in rural areas like Clear or Open Range 
couldn't, I doubt third time is a charm.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 6:08 PM, Patrick Leary 
mailto:patrick.le...@telrad.com>> wrote:
Like I've been telling folks, LTE will steam roll. So much for the "LTE can't 
deal with unlicensed." Anyone want to bet against the billions being thrown 
into LTE for R&D and the top scientific minds using those funds? I expect they 
will easily overcome (to the extent needed) what some WISPs mistakenly think 
are intractable problems. Being a WISP and being a top EE/systems engineer are 
different disciplines.


Patrick Leary
M 727.501.3735
[cid:image002.png@01D01A26.02262C80]<http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet>





From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org> 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>] On 
Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 5:53 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story

@LTEwatch: "Confirmed: T-Mobile to launch unlicensed LTE at 5 GHz, possibly 
next year" http://t.co/GyPo5iFt1y

Original Message<https://twitter.com/LTEwatch/status/545341191085359104>

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Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story

[Josh Luthman]

5 years ago, how did it look with Wimax and LTE?


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 6:20 PM, Patrick Leary 
wrote:

>  I'm not betting on a company at all. I'm betting on an industry. No one
> vendor is doing the LTE R&D. There's more R&D being invested in LTE
> ecosystem wide than any other telecom technology in history I suspect.
>
>
>
> *Patrick Leary*
>
> *M* 727.501.3735
>
> <http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 17, 2014 6:17 PM
> *To:* WISPA General List
> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story
>
>
>
> Well you're betting on a company that's not doing hot against Verizon and
> AT&T =P
>
>
>
> When they start competing against me I'll pay attention.  Since I'm
> confident they're not able to make money in rural areas like Clear or Open
> Range couldn't, I doubt third time is a charm.
>
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 6:08 PM, Patrick Leary 
> wrote:
>
> Like I've been telling folks, LTE will steam roll. So much for the "LTE
> can't deal with unlicensed." Anyone want to bet against the billions being
> thrown into LTE for R&D and the top scientific minds using those funds? I
> expect they will easily overcome (to the extent needed) what some WISPs
> mistakenly think are intractable problems. Being a WISP and being a top
> EE/systems engineer are different disciplines.
>
>
>
>
>
> *Patrick Leary*
>
> *M* 727.501.3735
>
>  <http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Gino Villarini
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 17, 2014 5:53 PM
> *To:* WISPA General List
> *Subject:* [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story
>
>
>
> @LTEwatch: "Confirmed: T-Mobile to launch unlicensed LTE at 5 GHz,
> possibly next year" http://t.co/GyPo5iFt1y
>
> Original Message <https://twitter.com/LTEwatch/status/545341191085359104>
>
> Click below to easily share or schedule to Twitter, Facebook and LinkedIn:
> Easy Share Link
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>
>
>
> Gino A. Villarini
>
> @gvillarini
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Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story

[Patrick Leary]

I'm not betting on a company at all. I'm betting on an industry. No one vendor 
is doing the LTE R&D. There's more R&D being invested in LTE ecosystem wide 
than any other telecom technology in history I suspect.

Patrick Leary
M 727.501.3735
[cid:image001.png@01D01A25.D17DD060]<http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet>





From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf 
Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 6:17 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story

Well you're betting on a company that's not doing hot against Verizon and AT&T 
=P

When they start competing against me I'll pay attention.  Since I'm confident 
they're not able to make money in rural areas like Clear or Open Range 
couldn't, I doubt third time is a charm.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 6:08 PM, Patrick Leary 
mailto:patrick.le...@telrad.com>> wrote:
Like I've been telling folks, LTE will steam roll. So much for the "LTE can't 
deal with unlicensed." Anyone want to bet against the billions being thrown 
into LTE for R&D and the top scientific minds using those funds? I expect they 
will easily overcome (to the extent needed) what some WISPs mistakenly think 
are intractable problems. Being a WISP and being a top EE/systems engineer are 
different disciplines.


Patrick Leary
M 727.501.3735
[cid:image002.png@01D01A25.D17DD060]<http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet>





From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org> 
[mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>] On 
Behalf Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 5:53 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story

@LTEwatch: "Confirmed: T-Mobile to launch unlicensed LTE at 5 GHz, possibly 
next year" http://t.co/GyPo5iFt1y

Original Message<https://twitter.com/LTEwatch/status/545341191085359104>

Click below to easily share or schedule to Twitter, Facebook and LinkedIn:
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Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story

[Josh Luthman]

Well you're betting on a company that's not doing hot against Verizon and
AT&T =P

When they start competing against me I'll pay attention.  Since I'm
confident they're not able to make money in rural areas like Clear or Open
Range couldn't, I doubt third time is a charm.


Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Wed, Dec 17, 2014 at 6:08 PM, Patrick Leary 
wrote:

>  Like I've been telling folks, LTE will steam roll. So much for the "LTE
> can't deal with unlicensed." Anyone want to bet against the billions being
> thrown into LTE for R&D and the top scientific minds using those funds? I
> expect they will easily overcome (to the extent needed) what some WISPs
> mistakenly think are intractable problems. Being a WISP and being a top
> EE/systems engineer are different disciplines.
>
>
>
>
>
> *Patrick Leary*
>
> *M* 727.501.3735
>
> <http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On
> Behalf Of *Gino Villarini
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 17, 2014 5:53 PM
> *To:* WISPA General List
> *Subject:* [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story
>
>
>
> @LTEwatch: "Confirmed: T-Mobile to launch unlicensed LTE at 5 GHz,
> possibly next year" http://t.co/GyPo5iFt1y
>
> Original Message <https://twitter.com/LTEwatch/status/545341191085359104>
>
> Click below to easily share or schedule to Twitter, Facebook and LinkedIn:
> Easy Share Link
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>
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story

[Patrick Leary]

Like I've been telling folks, LTE will steam roll. So much for the "LTE can't 
deal with unlicensed." Anyone want to bet against the billions being thrown 
into LTE for R&D and the top scientific minds using those funds? I expect they 
will easily overcome (to the extent needed) what some WISPs mistakenly think 
are intractable problems. Being a WISP and being a top EE/systems engineer are 
different disciplines.


Patrick Leary
M 727.501.3735
[cid:image002.png@01D01A24.33368420]<http://mkt2.us/TelrdNet>





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Of Gino Villarini
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2014 5:53 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] AeroNetPR wants to share this story

@LTEwatch: "Confirmed: T-Mobile to launch unlicensed LTE at 5 GHz, possibly 
next year" http://t.co/GyPo5iFt1y

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@LTEwatch: "Confirmed: T-Mobile to launch unlicensed LTE at 5 GHz, possibly 
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