Re: [WISPA] Question re: WISP for sale

2009-07-20 Thread Josh Cheney
If selling to an investor, you need to take in average returns. They can get 5% risk-free from a bank, 10% from a low-risk fund, and 15% from a high-risk fund (numbers for purposes of our discussion only; they bear little resemblance to the present reality). If this is the case, then your

Re: [WISPA] Question re: WISP for sale

2009-07-18 Thread Marco Coelho
, July 17, 2009 4:36 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Question re: WISP for sale Yeah don't expect over 2x annual revenue right now. 1x might be more realistic. depending on the network and what a new operator would have to do to bring it into theirs, etc. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www

[WISPA] Question re: WISP for sale

2009-07-17 Thread Patrick D. Nix, Jr
I apologize as I know this has been discussed on the list before. We are entertaining the idea of selling out of our respectable size wireless ISP business in eastern Oklahoma. We have about 500 (growing daily) subscribers. Anyway, we are working on determining the net worth of the business.

Re: [WISPA] Question re: WISP for sale

2009-07-17 Thread Josh Luthman
One way I have heard it done: Take the annual gross revenue, times it by 3 (three years gross revenue) and that's the buy out cost starting point. Seen this more so with telecom (voice) then data services, but it's a place to start. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100

Re: [WISPA] Question re: WISP for sale

2009-07-17 Thread Josh Luthman
I also wanted to throw this in.. If the owner does not have the resources to operate and maintain the customers (there for the revenue) then one can offer the price it would cost for that owner to remove the equipment from the towers (where leasing) and sell the towers and cut their losses. Or

Re: [WISPA] Question re: WISP for sale

2009-07-17 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
I have heard .5-2 times annual many times on this list Josh Luthman wrote: One way I have heard it done: Take the annual gross revenue, times it by 3 (three years gross revenue) and that's the buy out cost starting point. Seen this more so with telecom (voice) then data services,

Re: [WISPA] Question re: WISP for sale

2009-07-17 Thread Brian Webster
- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Patrick D. Nix, Jr Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 3:21 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Question re: WISP for sale I apologize as I know this has been discussed on the list before. We are entertaining the idea

Re: [WISPA] Question re: WISP for sale

2009-07-17 Thread Travis Johnson
3x gross annual was a very nice number... but not realistic any longer. 1.5x is the last number I heard for an actual sale that went through. Travis Josh Luthman wrote: One way I have heard it done: Take the annual gross revenue, times it by 3 (three years gross revenue) and that's the

Re: [WISPA] Question re: WISP for sale

2009-07-17 Thread Charles Wyble
14th. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Patrick D. Nix, Jr Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 3:21 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Question re: WISP for sale I apologize as I

Re: [WISPA] Question re: WISP for sale

2009-07-17 Thread Matt Liotta
Revenue matters a lot less now. Earnings-based deals are what are being done now. Of course, many WISPs are spending all of their earnings on CAPEX. This is where capitalized leases play such a critical role. -Matt On Jul 17, 2009, at 3:57 PM, Travis Johnson wrote: 3x gross annual was a

Re: [WISPA] Question re: WISP for sale

2009-07-17 Thread Patrick D. Nix, Jr
] Question re: WISP for sale ROFL ... NTIA got you all tied up ? :) Brian Webster wrote: I would certainly map out your network and show the total number of households able to be reached, not just base it on the number of subscribers you have. I know someone who can do that type of work

Re: [WISPA] Question re: WISP for sale

2009-07-17 Thread Charles Wyble
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 3:03 PM To: bwebs...@wirelessmapping.com; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Question re: WISP for sale ROFL ... NTIA got you all tied up ? :) Brian Webster wrote: I would certainly map out your network and show the total number of households able

Re: [WISPA] Question re: WISP for sale

2009-07-17 Thread 3-dB Networks
...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 1:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Question re: WISP for sale I have heard .5-2 times annual many times on this list Josh Luthman wrote: One way I have heard it done: Take the annual gross revenue

Re: [WISPA] Question re: WISP for sale

2009-07-17 Thread Brian Webster
after August 14th. Thank You, Brian Webster -Original Message- From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]on Behalf Of Patrick D. Nix, Jr Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 3:21 PM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] Question re: WISP for sale I

Re: [WISPA] Question re: WISP for sale

2009-07-17 Thread Tom DeReggi
: Friday, July 17, 2009 3:21 PM Subject: [WISPA] Question re: WISP for sale I apologize as I know this has been discussed on the list before. We are entertaining the idea of selling out of our respectable size wireless ISP business in eastern Oklahoma. We have about 500 (growing daily) subscribers

Re: [WISPA] Question re: WISP for sale

2009-07-17 Thread Tom DeReggi
17, 2009 4:36 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Question re: WISP for sale Yeah don't expect over 2x annual revenue right now. 1x might be more realistic. depending on the network and what a new operator would have to do to bring it into theirs, etc. Daniel White 3-dB Networks http://www

Re: [WISPA] Question re: WISP for sale

2009-07-17 Thread Josh Luthman
RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 4:36 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Question re: WISP for sale Yeah don't expect over 2x annual revenue

Re: [WISPA] Question re: WISP for sale

2009-07-17 Thread Matt Liotta
RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Patrick D. Nix, Jr pni...@cnetworksolutions.com To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 3:21 PM Subject: [WISPA] Question re: WISP for sale I apologize as I know this has been

Re: [WISPA] Question re: WISP for sale

2009-07-17 Thread Marlon K. Schafer
- From: Josh Luthman j...@imaginenetworksllc.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 12:27 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Question re: WISP for sale One way I have heard it done: Take the annual gross revenue, times it by 3 (three years gross revenue

Re: [WISPA] Question re: WISP for sale

2009-07-17 Thread Tom DeReggi
Interesting perspective, Matt. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: Matt Liotta mlio...@r337.com To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 5:42 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Question re: WISP for sale

Re: [WISPA] Question re: WISP for sale

2009-07-17 Thread RickG
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: 3-dB Networks wi...@3-db.net To: 'WISPA General List' wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 4:36 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Question re: WISP for sale Yeah don't expect over 2x annual revenue right now. 1x might