Re: [WISPA] Talking Point: Broadband Scandal book
If you work with your Muni (many of us do) then it can be your life blood in some cases. We do not use local tax dollars but we do use water towers, we connect the police departments to cop cars and fire departments to each other. Stuff like this IS the promise of Muni BB and it is a great way to develop your business into a crucial and valuable part of your business and community. Why let others define Muni BB or slam it when many of us invented it? In Mt. Vernon, Illinois everyone knows me as the guy who brought Muni BB to life. We call it Mt. Vernon. Net here and the 1300 people who use our wireless network every day to connect to the Internet and each other love it. Scriv Mark said: Muni BB is just a false promise and it's going to hurt us all. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Talking Point: Broadband Scandal book
Check this out. We net'd an increase in dialup over the last week of plus 2 dialup customers. That's right folks. In this day and age in the summer time no less. We added more dialup than we turned off. I can't believe it but I am not going to turn them away for sure. Dialup still pays a bunch of the bills and it is easy. Go figure. head and pops a cold Bud> :-) Scriv There are a bunch of reasons we are 16th in BB penetration - geography, people are happy with dial-up, - Peter -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Talking Point: Broadband Scandal book
SBC has already proven that at $17.99 people will move from dial-up to DSL. So is it that people don't want it or that consumers don't want to pay that much for it? It's like free pie and chips...who doesn't want free pie and chips..it's pie..and chips for free... Sorry, couldn't resist. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Talking Point: Broadband Scandal book
Mark Koskenmaki wrote: taxes to get subsidized services they would not or could not buy if they were to pay the price voluntarily? 1) I think you are arguing for argument sake. 2) Have you read any of his book? He has data, PR, docs to prove his assertions. And who says that thier systems ACTUALLY perform as ... claimed? The same can be said perhaps for Your network. Muni BB is just a false promise and it's going to hurt us all. Muni fiber like UTOPIA has already proven to be a good thing. Iowa City is the case study for the economic advantages of fiber for a community. Muni wireless is a whole other ball of wax. And instead of arguing for fun you should be wondering (a) how Muni WiFi will affect your business and (b) do something about it. But then not everyone is action oriented, most are too busy talking to do anything. Heck, just in my tiny town of 275 homes, that would mean it would cost about 300K to deploy? That seems really, REALLY cheap. But even worse, at a 40% take rate, it would not provide anywhere NEAR enough revenue to make it viable unless the cost was at least 100 / mo. 1) ILEC or MSO look at a 10 or 15 year payback calculation. 2) The ARPU target is $150 per month. 3) Just goes to show that the ILECs make numbers up and who could audit their books to prove them liars? Bruce has tried. There are a bunch of reasons we are 16th in BB penetration - geography, people are happy with dial-up, not everyone has access to a computer, libraries offer free access, people get online at work, yadda yadda. Doesn't take away from the fact that they are only building the network for TV - or we would still be stuck with 3MB DSL. And this is bad...how? Other than it provides political fodder for politicians, and rhetoric for activists, I simply can't see why this is any national concern. One is the e-commerce engine. Supposedly people with BB shop more. Tele-commuting, Home sourcing, small business development - all require BB penetration. There was a perception problem last year with the difference between BB deployment & penetration. The whole Digital Divide - the haves and the have-nots. We have moved from an Industrial economy to a Knowledge Based economy. Do we have the infrastructure, education and workers in place for such an economy? These are just off the top of my head. SBC has already proven that at $17.99 people will move from dial-up to DSL. So is it that people don't want it or that consumers don't want to pay that much for it? And going back to geography, blah blah -- how is Canada 7th in the world? Isn't their demographics similar to ours? How about Iceland, Finland, Sweden, or Norway? http://www.websiteoptimization.com/bw/0511/ Now that it is unregualted, why isn't BB in the top 30 Metros cheaper than in the suburbs? Why are we not matching Korea or Japan in BW served and pricing in at least the MSA's Lack of competition. No execution on promises from the ILECs. Before this decade is over, MSOs will have surpassed the ILECs in revenue, size, deployment and penetration. - Peter -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Talking Point: Broadband Scandal book
- Original Message - From: "Peter R." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 7:41 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Talking Point: Broadband Scandal book > Mark Koskenmaki wrote: > > >I'd take whatever this says with a LARGE load of salt. > > > >For instance, this paragraph: "New franchises? Verizon's FiOS and AT&T's > >Lightspeed are inferior services. We're 16th in broadband because they > >companies conned the American Public and never delivered. Asia has 100 Mbps > >services for $40 bucks... and we have?" > > > >This is misleading, if you want to be diplomatic and kind to the writer. > >If you want to be blunt, it's a stupid lie. > > > In 1998 Verizon received rate increases when they promised Pennsylvania > 45MB to the home. That was 1998. Today, you are lucky if you can get > 30MB to the home - and 85% of that is reserved for IPTV. And you have to > live in an affluent neighborhood that probably is already lit for cable > and DSL. > But consumers in PA have paid for their network to the tune of $2B since > 1998. And the consumers in all these other countries are not paying huge money in taxes to get subsidized services they would not or could not buy if they were to pay the price voluntarily? And who says that thier systems ACTUALLY perform as ... claimed? > > Yeah, density, geography, rural, blah, blah. Jaguar Comm is rural in > Minnesota and he is rolling out FTTH to his customers. CavTel in VA has > already rolled out IPTV. There are 700+ muni BB projects because of > false promises from RBOCs. Instead of spending millions on lobbyists > and litigation, BUILD THE DAMN NETWORK. Muni BB is just a false promise and it's going to hurt us all. > > If you understand redlining and the fact that the numbers say it is less > than $1000 to pass fiber to a home, you have to wonder how often they > can lie in print and get away with it. I don't believe it's under 1000 / home to deploy fiber, not for a moment. Heck, just in my tiny town of 275 homes, that would mean it would cost about 300K to deploy? That seems really, REALLY cheap. But even worse, at a 40% take rate, it would not provide anywhere NEAR enough revenue to make it viable unless the cost was at least 100 / mo. > > There are a bunch of reasons we are 16th in BB penetration - geography, > people are happy with dial-up, not everyone has access to a computer, > libraries offer free access, people get online at work, yadda yadda. > Doesn't take away from the fact that they are only building the network > for TV - or we would still be stuck with 3MB DSL. And this is bad...how? Other than it provides political fodder for politicians, and rhetoric for activists, I simply can't see why this is any national concern. North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061 personal correspondence to: mark at neofast dot net sales inquiries to: purchasing at neofast dot net Fast Internet, NO WIRES! - > > - Peter > -- > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Talking Point: Broadband Scandal book
Mark Koskenmaki wrote: I'd take whatever this says with a LARGE load of salt. For instance, this paragraph: "New franchises? Verizon's FiOS and AT&T's Lightspeed are inferior services. We're 16th in broadband because they companies conned the American Public and never delivered. Asia has 100 Mbps services for $40 bucks... and we have?" This is misleading, if you want to be diplomatic and kind to the writer. If you want to be blunt, it's a stupid lie. In 1998 Verizon received rate increases when they promised Pennsylvania 45MB to the home. That was 1998. Today, you are lucky if you can get 30MB to the home - and 85% of that is reserved for IPTV. And you have to live in an affluent neighborhood that probably is already lit for cable and DSL. But consumers in PA have paid for their network to the tune of $2B since 1998. Yeah, density, geography, rural, blah, blah. Jaguar Comm is rural in Minnesota and he is rolling out FTTH to his customers. CavTel in VA has already rolled out IPTV. There are 700+ muni BB projects because of false promises from RBOCs. Instead of spending millions on lobbyists and litigation, BUILD THE DAMN NETWORK. If you understand redlining and the fact that the numbers say it is less than $1000 to pass fiber to a home, you have to wonder how often they can lie in print and get away with it. There are a bunch of reasons we are 16th in BB penetration - geography, people are happy with dial-up, not everyone has access to a computer, libraries offer free access, people get online at work, yadda yadda. Doesn't take away from the fact that they are only building the network for TV - or we would still be stuck with 3MB DSL. - Peter -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
