Re: [WISPA] The WISP that walked away
I'd use them. Try to find out who the leasing company is and work deal with them. Do what it takes right up front and get the customers back online yesterday! Did he really say that he had a problem with scratching out an average living? At this stage of this game? If so, I'm glad he's out of my industry. marlon - Original Message - From: Mike Ireton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 12:58 AM Subject: [WISPA] The WISP that walked away An operator in my local area, covering a small area I would nevertheless like to have, recently just upped and walked away from his operation, leaving all cpe in place and some very confused customers who were told to go get cable or dsl. He was very short with me in email and indicated that the equipment was leased and that he had had enough with trying to scratch out something more than an avarage living and is glad to be rid of it and out of the business, and no further communication will be possible, end of story. Ethics question: Do I swoop in with my own backhaul and reactivate the system using the existing cpe units (mostly motorola, right up our alley), or do we build a new system from scratch and avoid these now defunct cpe's like the plauge? -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] The WISP that walked away
What I would do: Put in an AP, see who associates. If the leasing company decides to repo their CPE, let them. The customer will (hopefully) call you, and you can go out and put in a new CPE. At that time, the cable will probably still be in place, and you will know that the CPE will work where it was mounted. Treat the CPE as if you own them, and replace them as if they failed in the event of a repo. In the mean time, you might get 12 months revenue off of the abandoned CPE, and the leasing company won't have any legal reason to charge you anything, since your name isn't on the contract. Its not unethical, IMO. The leasing company is getting the shaft from the lessee, but its not really your problem. If the leasing company contacts you, or if you contact them, or whatever, I wouldn't offer them NEAR retail to buy them back. Short answer: Swoop. The hard part has been done by the guy who walked. pd Mike Ireton wrote: An operator in my local area, covering a small area I would nevertheless like to have, recently just upped and walked away from his operation, leaving all cpe in place and some very confused customers who were told to go get cable or dsl. He was very short with me in email and indicated that the equipment was leased and that he had had enough with trying to scratch out something more than an avarage living and is glad to be rid of it and out of the business, and no further communication will be possible, end of story. Ethics question: Do I swoop in with my own backhaul and reactivate the system using the existing cpe units (mostly motorola, right up our alley), or do we build a new system from scratch and avoid these now defunct cpe's like the plauge? -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] The WISP that walked away
An operator in my local area, covering a small area I would nevertheless like to have, recently just upped and walked away from his operation, leaving all cpe in place and some very confused customers who were told to go get cable or dsl. He was very short with me in email and indicated that the equipment was leased and that he had had enough with trying to scratch out something more than an avarage living and is glad to be rid of it and out of the business, and no further communication will be possible, end of story. Ethics question: Do I swoop in with my own backhaul and reactivate the system using the existing cpe units (mostly motorola, right up our alley), or do we build a new system from scratch and avoid these now defunct cpe's like the plauge? -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] The WISP that walked away
Hire an attorney, get copies of what customers signed from an existing customer of his. Give it to the attorney along with the brief letter you got from the guy saying he was calling it quits. I see no need to let the CPE go to waste if you can make it work provided there is no legal / civil reason to avoid it. Worst case I see is you use the existing CPE for a while and then replace it if someone comes calling to claim it later. This is strictly my opinion though. Seek legal counsel no matter what you do. Best $100 you'll spend. Scriv Mike Ireton wrote: An operator in my local area, covering a small area I would nevertheless like to have, recently just upped and walked away from his operation, leaving all cpe in place and some very confused customers who were told to go get cable or dsl. He was very short with me in email and indicated that the equipment was leased and that he had had enough with trying to scratch out something more than an avarage living and is glad to be rid of it and out of the business, and no further communication will be possible, end of story. Ethics question: Do I swoop in with my own backhaul and reactivate the system using the existing cpe units (mostly motorola, right up our alley), or do we build a new system from scratch and avoid these now defunct cpe's like the plauge? -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] The WISP that walked away
Just remember that he said he leased the CPE, so it is not his...or yours to claim. The lease holder would seem to have rights to claim it. I can't imagine the leaseholder actually doing that though, so maybe you can work a deal with the leasholder. Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of KyWiFi LLC Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 3:35 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] The WISP that walked away Do what Scriv says, it is the *safest* thing to do at this phase. How many subs will signup and pay you in this small area? I am sure they wouldn't mind a bit to pre-pay 2 - 3 months plus installation provided that you have been in business for a while and have a good repuation in your area. This upfront cash flow would then *hopefully* take care of the entire investment on your part to service this small area. Shannon D. Denniston, Co-Founder KyWiFi, LLC - Mt. Sterling, Kentucky Your Hometown Broadband Provider http://www.KyWiFi.com Call Us Today: 859.274.4033 === $29.99 DSL High Speed Internet $14.99 Home Phone Service $19.99 All Digital Satellite TV - No Phone Line Required for DSL - FREE Activation Equipment - Affordable Upfront Pricing - Locally Owned Operated - We Also Service Most Rural Areas - We Are Beta Testing ISP Buddy. . . http://www.ispbuddy.com - - Original Message - From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 4:35 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] The WISP that walked away Hire an attorney, get copies of what customers signed from an existing customer of his. Give it to the attorney along with the brief letter you got from the guy saying he was calling it quits. I see no need to let the CPE go to waste if you can make it work provided there is no legal / civil reason to avoid it. Worst case I see is you use the existing CPE for a while and then replace it if someone comes calling to claim it later. This is strictly my opinion though. Seek legal counsel no matter what you do. Best $100 you'll spend. Scriv Mike Ireton wrote: An operator in my local area, covering a small area I would nevertheless like to have, recently just upped and walked away from his operation, leaving all cpe in place and some very confused customers who were told to go get cable or dsl. He was very short with me in email and indicated that the equipment was leased and that he had had enough with trying to scratch out something more than an avarage living and is glad to be rid of it and out of the business, and no further communication will be possible, end of story. Ethics question: Do I swoop in with my own backhaul and reactivate the system using the existing cpe units (mostly motorola, right up our alley), or do we build a new system from scratch and avoid these now defunct cpe's like the plauge? -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(190). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses(42). This footnote confirms that this email message has been scanned by PineApp Mail-SeCure for the presence of malicious code, vandals computer viruses. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] The WISP that walked away
No, you tempoarailly use those CPEs, to quickly get the subs re-installed. The CPEs are owned by the leasing company, and assuming them is theft. Do your best to find out who the leasor is, and call them to negotiate buying them on a percentage of the dollar, or take over remaining lease balance. The last thing you want is the Lease company to issue a court order to get cclient locations disclosed, pay some one to pull out the CPEs, and have your tenants disconnected without notice. Sorta like the Repo man. Its a falicy that its not worth the leasing companies time to collect the gear. But its costlyto colelct the gear, and they'd rather negotiate favorable terms with you. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: John Scrivner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 4:35 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] The WISP that walked away Hire an attorney, get copies of what customers signed from an existing customer of his. Give it to the attorney along with the brief letter you got from the guy saying he was calling it quits. I see no need to let the CPE go to waste if you can make it work provided there is no legal / civil reason to avoid it. Worst case I see is you use the existing CPE for a while and then replace it if someone comes calling to claim it later. This is strictly my opinion though. Seek legal counsel no matter what you do. Best $100 you'll spend. Scriv Mike Ireton wrote: An operator in my local area, covering a small area I would nevertheless like to have, recently just upped and walked away from his operation, leaving all cpe in place and some very confused customers who were told to go get cable or dsl. He was very short with me in email and indicated that the equipment was leased and that he had had enough with trying to scratch out something more than an avarage living and is glad to be rid of it and out of the business, and no further communication will be possible, end of story. Ethics question: Do I swoop in with my own backhaul and reactivate the system using the existing cpe units (mostly motorola, right up our alley), or do we build a new system from scratch and avoid these now defunct cpe's like the plauge? -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
RE: [WISPA] The WISP that walked away
If you can find out what is needed to allow access from the existing CPE's, I believe that you can allow access to YOUR bandwidth, and charges those who want to use your service, regardless of who may own the CPE. Now, if you want to own the CPE, you need to find out who owns the CPE. If there are leased -- are they leased buy the ISP that 'walked' away, or the individual customer. If by the customer, they just continue to make their lease payments to the leasing company, and you for allowing their CPE access to your service. If the previous ISP, perhaps the leasing company will work a sweet deal with you as it is NOT in their interest to retrieve the CPEs... Cliff LeBoeuf www.cssla.com www.triparish.net -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Ireton Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 2:58 AM To: wireless@wispa.org Subject: [WISPA] The WISP that walked away An operator in my local area, covering a small area I would nevertheless like to have, recently just upped and walked away from his operation, leaving all cpe in place and some very confused customers who were told to go get cable or dsl. He was very short with me in email and indicated that the equipment was leased and that he had had enough with trying to scratch out something more than an avarage living and is glad to be rid of it and out of the business, and no further communication will be possible, end of story. Ethics question: Do I swoop in with my own backhaul and reactivate the system using the existing cpe units (mostly motorola, right up our alley), or do we build a new system from scratch and avoid these now defunct cpe's like the plauge? -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
