Re: [WISPA] Windows XP
I'm a firm believer in never upgrading an OS. Clean install every time. Windows, Linux, sometimes Android (well, reset, not re-install). - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Fred Goldstein" To: wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2013 9:29:31 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Windows XP On 10/17/2013 10:08 PM, Clay Stewart wrote: Offer service to upgrade for $99... WIN7 plus labor? Remember, there is no upgrade from XP to Win7. It has to be a clean install, wiping out existing embedded software installation. (Now why embedded software even exists is a different story, but many costly applications work that way, because that's how MS tells them to do it, and MS Office is the worst example.) That's impractical for many users, so we happily stick with XP on our older machines. I think the security risk is overstated. Most of the patches are to very specific, obscure threats. The biggest threats nowadays are in email attachments, web pages, and other things that people click on by mistake. Those threats apply even to actively-patched systems. On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 7:56 PM, Blair Davis < the...@wmwisp.net > wrote: That was why I brought it up. I don't believe we can force users off XP. Obviously, proper port blocking helps. Placing your XP users on source NAT'ed IP's might help. Are there other options? Packet filtering? Email filtering? Something else? -- On 10/17/2013 6:31 PM, Clay Stewart wrote: That is a good point, "is there anything we can do" to get users off XP? When these systems get infected (I would assume some savy hackers and spammers are gearing up for the end of XP patches), we will suffer too... in our networks. On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 11:43 AM, Greg Osborn < gregwosb...@gmail.com > wrote: It works itself out…… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4eCd6xUSik From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto: wireless-boun...@wispa.org ] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, October 14, 2013 5:32 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Windows XP Well, it won't be working for long if they don't upgrade. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com From: "Blair Davis" < the...@wmwisp.net > To: memb...@wispa.org , "WISPA General List" < wireless@wispa.org > Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2013 11:09:39 PM Subject: [WISPA] Windows XP Windows XP security updates end in April 2014. Windows XP usage still above 30%. Is there anything we, as ISP's, can do to protect our users who, for whatever reason have not, will not or can not upgrade? I have users who won't spend $$ to replace a working system if they don't see a good reason to. -- Fred R. Goldstein k1io fred "at" interisle.net Interisle Consulting Group +1 617 795 2701 ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Windows XP
On 10/17/2013 10:08 PM, Clay Stewart wrote:
Offer service to upgrade for $99... WIN7 plus labor?
Remember, there is no upgrade from XP to Win7. It has to be a clean
install, wiping out existing embedded software installation. (Now why
embedded software even exists is a different story, but many costly
applications work that way, because that's how MS tells them to do it,
and MS Office is the worst example.) That's impractical for many users,
so we happily stick with XP on our older machines.
I think the security risk is overstated. Most of the patches are to
very specific, obscure threats. The biggest threats nowadays are in
email attachments, web pages, and other things that people click on by
mistake. Those threats apply even to actively-patched systems.
On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 7:56 PM, Blair Davis <mailto:the...@wmwisp.net>> wrote:
That was why I brought it up.
I don't believe we can force users off XP.
Obviously, proper port blocking helps. Placing your XP users on
source NAT'ed IP's might help.
Are there other options? Packet filtering? Email filtering?
Something else?
--
On 10/17/2013 6:31 PM, Clay Stewart wrote:
That is a good point, "is there anything we can do" to get users
off XP? When these systems get infected (I would assume some savy
hackers and spammers are gearing up for the end of XP patches),
we will suffer too... in our networks.
On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 11:43 AM, Greg Osborn
mailto:gregwosb...@gmail.com>> wrote:
It works itself out..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4eCd6xUSik
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*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Windows XP
Well, it won't be working for long if they don't upgrade.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
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*Subject: *[WISPA] Windows XP
Windows XP security updates end in April 2014.
Windows XP usage still above 30%.
Is there anything we, as ISP's, can do to protect our users
who, for
whatever reason have not, will not or can not upgrade?
I have users who won't spend $$ to replace a working system
if they
don't see a good reason to.
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Re: [WISPA] Windows XP
For those who do computer repair, there is a good opportunity there.
But we closed our repair shop when my business partner retired.
I don't have time to do it. And, IMO, it is not a job for someone at
the installer level. Let alone the fact that doing it on-site is a major
time waster.
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On 10/17/2013 10:08 PM, Clay Stewart wrote:
Offer service to upgrade for $99... WIN7 plus labor?
On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 7:56 PM, Blair Davis <mailto:the...@wmwisp.net>> wrote:
That was why I brought it up.
I don't believe we can force users off XP.
Obviously, proper port blocking helps. Placing your XP users on
source NAT'ed IP's might help.
Are there other options? Packet filtering? Email filtering?
Something else?
--
On 10/17/2013 6:31 PM, Clay Stewart wrote:
That is a good point, "is there anything we can do" to get users
off XP? When these systems get infected (I would assume some savy
hackers and spammers are gearing up for the end of XP patches),
we will suffer too... in our networks.
On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 11:43 AM, Greg Osborn
mailto:gregwosb...@gmail.com>> wrote:
It works itself out..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4eCd6xUSik
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<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
*Sent:* Monday, October 14, 2013 5:32 AM
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*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Windows XP
Well, it won't be working for long if they don't upgrade.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
*From: *"Blair Davis" mailto:the...@wmwisp.net>>
*To: *memb...@wispa.org <mailto:memb...@wispa.org>, "WISPA
General List" mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
*Sent: *Sunday, October 13, 2013 11:09:39 PM
*Subject: *[WISPA] Windows XP
Windows XP security updates end in April 2014.
Windows XP usage still above 30%.
Is there anything we, as ISP's, can do to protect our users
who, for
whatever reason have not, will not or can not upgrade?
I have users who won't spend $$ to replace a working system
if they
don't see a good reason to.
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Re: [WISPA] Windows XP
Offer service to upgrade for $99... WIN7 plus labor? On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 7:56 PM, Blair Davis wrote: > That was why I brought it up. > > I don't believe we can force users off XP. > Obviously, proper port blocking helps. Placing your XP users on source > NAT'ed IP's might help. > > Are there other options? Packet filtering? Email filtering? Something > else? > > -- > > > > > > On 10/17/2013 6:31 PM, Clay Stewart wrote: > > That is a good point, "is there anything we can do" to get users off XP? > When these systems get infected (I would assume some savy hackers and > spammers are gearing up for the end of XP patches), we will suffer too... > in our networks. > > > On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 11:43 AM, Greg Osborn wrote: > >> It works itself out…… >> >> >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4eCd6xUSik >> >> >> >> *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On >> Behalf Of *Mike Hammett >> *Sent:* Monday, October 14, 2013 5:32 AM >> *To:* WISPA General List >> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Windows XP >> >> >> >> Well, it won't be working for long if they don't upgrade. >> >> >> >> - >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> http://www.ics-il.com >> >> >> -- >> >> *From: *"Blair Davis" >> *To: *memb...@wispa.org, "WISPA General List" >> *Sent: *Sunday, October 13, 2013 11:09:39 PM >> *Subject: *[WISPA] Windows XP >> >> Windows XP security updates end in April 2014. >> >> Windows XP usage still above 30%. >> >> Is there anything we, as ISP's, can do to protect our users who, for >> whatever reason have not, will not or can not upgrade? >> >> I have users who won't spend $$ to replace a working system if they >> don't see a good reason to. >> >> >> -- >> West Michigan Wireless ISP >> Allegan, Michigan 49010 >> 269-686-8648 >> >> A Division of: >> Camp Communication Services, INC >> ___ >> Wireless mailing list >> Wireless@wispa.org >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> >> >> ___ >> Wireless mailing list >> Wireless@wispa.org >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> > > > -- > > > -- > SCS > Clay Stewart > CEO, Tye River Farms, Inc., > DBA Stewart Computer Services > 434.263.6363 O > 434.942.6510 C > cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com > “We Keep You Up and Running” >Wireless Broadband >Programming > Network Services > > > ___ > Wireless mailing > listWireless@wispa.orghttp://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > -- > West Michigan Wireless ISP > Allegan, Michigan 49010269-686-8648 > > A Division of: > Camp Communication Services, INC > > > ___ > Wireless mailing list > Wireless@wispa.org > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > -- -- SCS Clay Stewart CEO, Tye River Farms, Inc., DBA Stewart Computer Services 434.263.6363 O 434.942.6510 C cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com “We Keep You Up and Running” Wireless Broadband Programming Network Services ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Windows XP
It's called security through obscurity. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security_through_obscurity The problem is I don't think XP has quite reached that level as compared to VMS, Amiga, NextStep, et al... Though SneakerNet, like you say is a different matter... I'm sure there are still Kiosks, SCADA, and the like that are isolated and running XP, and will be for quite some time. Sincerely, Eric Tykwinski TrueNet, Inc. P: 610-429-8300 F: 610-429-3222 On Oct 17, 2013, at 8:11 PM, Blair Davis wrote: > Us too. They are isolated from the internet, but we still have them doing > things. > > -- > > On 10/17/2013 7:59 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote: >> I still run Windows 2000 on some computers. :) >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Oct 17, 2013, at 16:56, Blair Davis wrote: >> >>> That was why I brought it up. >>> >>> I don't believe we can force users off XP. >>> Obviously, proper port blocking helps. Placing your XP users on source >>> NAT'ed IP's might help. >>> >>> Are there other options? Packet filtering? Email filtering? Something >>> else? >>> >>> -- >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 10/17/2013 6:31 PM, Clay Stewart wrote: >>>> That is a good point, "is there anything we can do" to get users off XP? >>>> When these systems get infected (I would assume some savy hackers and >>>> spammers are gearing up for the end of XP patches), we will suffer too... >>>> in our networks. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 11:43 AM, Greg Osborn >>>> wrote: >>>> It works itself out…… >>>> >>>> >>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4eCd6xUSik >>>> >>>> >>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >>>> Behalf Of Mike Hammett >>>> Sent: Monday, October 14, 2013 5:32 AM >>>> To: WISPA General List >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Windows XP >>>> >>>> >>>> Well, it won't be working for long if they don't upgrade. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> - >>>> Mike Hammett >>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>> http://www.ics-il.com >>>> >>>> >>>> From: "Blair Davis" >>>> To: memb...@wispa.org, "WISPA General List" >>>> Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2013 11:09:39 PM >>>> Subject: [WISPA] Windows XP >>>> >>>> Windows XP security updates end in April 2014. >>>> >>>> Windows XP usage still above 30%. >>>> >>>> Is there anything we, as ISP's, can do to protect our users who, for >>>> whatever reason have not, will not or can not upgrade? >>>> >>>> I have users who won't spend $$ to replace a working system if they >>>> don't see a good reason to. >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> West Michigan Wireless ISP >>>> Allegan, Michigan 49010 >>>> 269-686-8648 >>>> >>>> A Division of: >>>> Camp Communication Services, INC >>>> ___ >>>> Wireless mailing list >>>> Wireless@wispa.org >>>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ___ >>>> Wireless mailing list >>>> Wireless@wispa.org >>>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> SCS >>>> Clay Stewart >>>> CEO, Tye River Farms, Inc., >>>> DBA Stewart Computer Services >>>> 434.263.6363 O >>>> 434.942.6510 C >>>> cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com >>>> “We Keep You Up and Running” >>>>Wireless Broadband >>>>Programming >>>> Network Services >>>> >>>> >>>> ___ >>>> Wireless mailing list >>>> >>>> Wireless@wispa.org >>>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> -- >>> West Michigan Wireless ISP >>> Allegan, Michigan 49010 >>> 269-686-8648 >>> >>> A Division of: >>> Camp Communication Services, INC >>> >>> ___ >>> Wireless mailing list >>> Wireless@wispa.org >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> >> ___ >> Wireless mailing list >> >> Wireless@wispa.org >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > -- > West Michigan Wireless ISP > Allegan, Michigan 49010 > 269-686-8648 > > A Division of: > Camp Communication Services, INC > > ___ > Wireless mailing list > Wireless@wispa.org > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Windows XP
Us too. They are isolated from the internet, but we still have them
doing things.
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On 10/17/2013 7:59 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
I still run Windows 2000 on some computers. :)
Sent from my iPad
On Oct 17, 2013, at 16:56, Blair Davis <mailto:the...@wmwisp.net>> wrote:
That was why I brought it up.
I don't believe we can force users off XP.
Obviously, proper port blocking helps. Placing your XP users on
source NAT'ed IP's might help.
Are there other options? Packet filtering? Email filtering?
Something else?
--
On 10/17/2013 6:31 PM, Clay Stewart wrote:
That is a good point, "is there anything we can do" to get users off
XP? When these systems get infected (I would assume some savy
hackers and spammers are gearing up for the end of XP patches), we
will suffer too... in our networks.
On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 11:43 AM, Greg Osborn <mailto:gregwosb...@gmail.com>> wrote:
It works itself out..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4eCd6xUSik
*From:*wireless-boun...@wispa.org
<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>
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<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>] *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
*Sent:* Monday, October 14, 2013 5:32 AM
*To:* WISPA General List
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Windows XP
Well, it won't be working for long if they don't upgrade.
-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
*From: *"Blair Davis" mailto:the...@wmwisp.net>>
*To: *memb...@wispa.org <mailto:memb...@wispa.org>, "WISPA
General List" mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
*Sent: *Sunday, October 13, 2013 11:09:39 PM
*Subject: *[WISPA] Windows XP
Windows XP security updates end in April 2014.
Windows XP usage still above 30%.
Is there anything we, as ISP's, can do to protect our users who,
for
whatever reason have not, will not or can not upgrade?
I have users who won't spend $$ to replace a working system if they
don't see a good reason to.
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Re: [WISPA] Windows XP
I still run Windows 2000 on some computers. :) Sent from my iPad On Oct 17, 2013, at 16:56, Blair Davis wrote: > That was why I brought it up. > > I don't believe we can force users off XP. > Obviously, proper port blocking helps. Placing your XP users on source > NAT'ed IP's might help. > > Are there other options? Packet filtering? Email filtering? Something else? > > -- > > > > > On 10/17/2013 6:31 PM, Clay Stewart wrote: >> That is a good point, "is there anything we can do" to get users off XP? >> When these systems get infected (I would assume some savy hackers and >> spammers are gearing up for the end of XP patches), we will suffer too... in >> our networks. >> >> >> On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 11:43 AM, Greg Osborn wrote: >>> It works itself out…… >>> >>> >>> >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4eCd6xUSik >>> >>> >>> >>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On >>> Behalf Of Mike Hammett >>> Sent: Monday, October 14, 2013 5:32 AM >>> To: WISPA General List >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Windows XP >>> >>> >>> >>> Well, it won't be working for long if they don't upgrade. >>> >>> >>> >>> - >>> Mike Hammett >>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>> http://www.ics-il.com >>> >>> >>> >>> From: "Blair Davis" >>> To: memb...@wispa.org, "WISPA General List" >>> Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2013 11:09:39 PM >>> Subject: [WISPA] Windows XP >>> >>> Windows XP security updates end in April 2014. >>> >>> Windows XP usage still above 30%. >>> >>> Is there anything we, as ISP's, can do to protect our users who, for >>> whatever reason have not, will not or can not upgrade? >>> >>> I have users who won't spend $$ to replace a working system if they >>> don't see a good reason to. >>> >>> >>> -- >>> West Michigan Wireless ISP >>> Allegan, Michigan 49010 >>> 269-686-8648 >>> >>> A Division of: >>> Camp Communication Services, INC >>> ___ >>> Wireless mailing list >>> Wireless@wispa.org >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> Wireless mailing list >>> Wireless@wispa.org >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> >> >> -- >> >> >> -- >> SCS >> Clay Stewart >> CEO, Tye River Farms, Inc., >> DBA Stewart Computer Services >> 434.263.6363 O >> 434.942.6510 C >> cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com >> “We Keep You Up and Running” >>Wireless Broadband >>Programming >> Network Services >> >> >> ___ >> Wireless mailing list >> Wireless@wispa.org >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > -- > West Michigan Wireless ISP > Allegan, Michigan 49010 > 269-686-8648 > > A Division of: > Camp Communication Services, INC > ___ > Wireless mailing list > Wireless@wispa.org > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Windows XP
That was why I brought it up.
I don't believe we can force users off XP.
Obviously, proper port blocking helps. Placing your XP users on source
NAT'ed IP's might help.
Are there other options? Packet filtering? Email filtering? Something
else?
--
On 10/17/2013 6:31 PM, Clay Stewart wrote:
That is a good point, "is there anything we can do" to get users off
XP? When these systems get infected (I would assume some savy hackers
and spammers are gearing up for the end of XP patches), we will suffer
too... in our networks.
On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 11:43 AM, Greg Osborn <mailto:gregwosb...@gmail.com>> wrote:
It works itself out..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4eCd6xUSik
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<mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org>
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*Sent:* Monday, October 14, 2013 5:32 AM
*To:* WISPA General List
*Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Windows XP
Well, it won't be working for long if they don't upgrade.
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com
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*To: *memb...@wispa.org <mailto:memb...@wispa.org>, "WISPA General
List" mailto:wireless@wispa.org>>
*Sent: *Sunday, October 13, 2013 11:09:39 PM
*Subject: *[WISPA] Windows XP
Windows XP security updates end in April 2014.
Windows XP usage still above 30%.
Is there anything we, as ISP's, can do to protect our users who, for
whatever reason have not, will not or can not upgrade?
I have users who won't spend $$ to replace a working system if they
don't see a good reason to.
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Re: [WISPA] Windows XP
That is a good point, "is there anything we can do" to get users off XP? When these systems get infected (I would assume some savy hackers and spammers are gearing up for the end of XP patches), we will suffer too... in our networks. On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 11:43 AM, Greg Osborn wrote: > It works itself out…… > > ** ** > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4eCd6xUSik > > ** ** > > *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On > Behalf Of *Mike Hammett > *Sent:* Monday, October 14, 2013 5:32 AM > *To:* WISPA General List > *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Windows XP > > ** ** > > Well, it won't be working for long if they don't upgrade. > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > ** ** > -- > > *From: *"Blair Davis" > *To: *memb...@wispa.org, "WISPA General List" > *Sent: *Sunday, October 13, 2013 11:09:39 PM > *Subject: *[WISPA] Windows XP > > Windows XP security updates end in April 2014. > > Windows XP usage still above 30%. > > Is there anything we, as ISP's, can do to protect our users who, for > whatever reason have not, will not or can not upgrade? > > I have users who won't spend $$ to replace a working system if they > don't see a good reason to. > > > -- > West Michigan Wireless ISP > Allegan, Michigan 49010 > 269-686-8648 > > A Division of: > Camp Communication Services, INC > ___ > Wireless mailing list > Wireless@wispa.org > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > ** ** > > ___ > Wireless mailing list > Wireless@wispa.org > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > -- -- SCS Clay Stewart CEO, Tye River Farms, Inc., DBA Stewart Computer Services 434.263.6363 O 434.942.6510 C cstew...@stewartcomputerservices.com “We Keep You Up and Running” Wireless Broadband Programming Network Services ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Windows XP
Getting your users to just use Firefox or Chrome will prolong the life of their XP boxes. An light footprint anti-virus perhaps even more so, if the machine can handle it. Most exploits come in through IE. Your sysadmin should be able to detect IE and/or XP on proxy logs, if you really care, and would like to pro-actively block ports or put them on a list. Most people's computers will just stop working and they'll take it to a repair shop. (At which point their bank accounts, etc may be long compromised...) There they will either be recommended to buy a new PC with an OEM Windows... or they may get a friend to load a bootleg Windows - which will just further expose them to having their sensitive data compromised. Best yet, switch to Mint Linux or Ubuntu. Mint is surprisingly compatible and easy to use for Windows users. Much friendlier than Windows, in fact. In fact, Mint is more like Windows, than Windows 8 is. What are they losing? Windows games and Microsoft Office. And if they can afford those, they can afford a new Windows. I've seen XP SP2 machines that haven't been updated since 2008... and are still running clean. Without antivirus. The firewall is on and they only run Firefox. And they're on isolated LAN's, behind NAT. It's not as much about the OS as it is about what flash discs are plugged into them, what else is on their LAN, or what websites they visit and what executable they download. If they can... many of them are behind filtering proxies and network firewalls, locked in boxes with no access to their USB ports. On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 5:43 PM, Greg Osborn wrote: > It works itself out…… > > ** ** > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4eCd6xUSik > > ** ** > > *From:* wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] *On > Behalf Of *Mike Hammett > *Sent:* Monday, October 14, 2013 5:32 AM > *To:* WISPA General List > *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Windows XP > > ** ** > > Well, it won't be working for long if they don't upgrade. > > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > ** ** > -- > > *From: *"Blair Davis" > *To: *memb...@wispa.org, "WISPA General List" > *Sent: *Sunday, October 13, 2013 11:09:39 PM > *Subject: *[WISPA] Windows XP > > Windows XP security updates end in April 2014. > > Windows XP usage still above 30%. > > Is there anything we, as ISP's, can do to protect our users who, for > whatever reason have not, will not or can not upgrade? > > I have users who won't spend $$ to replace a working system if they > don't see a good reason to. > > > -- > West Michigan Wireless ISP > Allegan, Michigan 49010 > 269-686-8648 > > A Division of: > Camp Communication Services, INC > ___ > Wireless mailing list > Wireless@wispa.org > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > ** ** > > ___ > Wireless mailing list > Wireless@wispa.org > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Windows XP
It works itself out…… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4eCd6xUSik From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, October 14, 2013 5:32 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Windows XP Well, it won't be working for long if they don't upgrade. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com _ From: "Blair Davis" mailto:the...@wmwisp.net> > To: memb...@wispa.org <mailto:memb...@wispa.org> , "WISPA General List" mailto:wireless@wispa.org> > Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2013 11:09:39 PM Subject: [WISPA] Windows XP Windows XP security updates end in April 2014. Windows XP usage still above 30%. Is there anything we, as ISP's, can do to protect our users who, for whatever reason have not, will not or can not upgrade? I have users who won't spend $$ to replace a working system if they don't see a good reason to. -- West Michigan Wireless ISP Allegan, Michigan 49010 269-686-8648 A Division of: Camp Communication Services, INC ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org <mailto:Wireless@wispa.org> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Windows XP
Well, it won't be working for long if they don't upgrade. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Blair Davis" To: memb...@wispa.org, "WISPA General List" Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2013 11:09:39 PM Subject: [WISPA] Windows XP Windows XP security updates end in April 2014. Windows XP usage still above 30%. Is there anything we, as ISP's, can do to protect our users who, for whatever reason have not, will not or can not upgrade? I have users who won't spend $$ to replace a working system if they don't see a good reason to. -- West Michigan Wireless ISP Allegan, Michigan 49010 269-686-8648 A Division of: Camp Communication Services, INC ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
Re: [WISPA] Windows XP
Block those samba ports. Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 On Oct 13, 2013 9:09 PM, "Blair Davis" wrote: > Windows XP security updates end in April 2014. > > Windows XP usage still above 30%. > > Is there anything we, as ISP's, can do to protect our users who, for > whatever reason have not, will not or can not upgrade? > > I have users who won't spend $$ to replace a working system if they > don't see a good reason to. > > > -- > West Michigan Wireless ISP > Allegan, Michigan 49010 > 269-686-8648 > > A Division of: > Camp Communication Services, INC > ___ > Wireless mailing list > Wireless@wispa.org > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
[WISPA] Windows XP
Windows XP security updates end in April 2014. Windows XP usage still above 30%. Is there anything we, as ISP's, can do to protect our users who, for whatever reason have not, will not or can not upgrade? I have users who won't spend $$ to replace a working system if they don't see a good reason to. -- West Michigan Wireless ISP Allegan, Michigan 49010 269-686-8648 A Division of: Camp Communication Services, INC ___ Wireless mailing list Wireless@wispa.org http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
