RE: [WISPA] Try it out vs. Cingular
I have been looking into wholeselling these cards with the routers bundled together. Mostly for customers who are outside of my converage area. Will let you know more about it, specifically sprint is running EDVO RevA, cards get a good 1.5 meg down, latency to the first hop varies, from 40ms to about 500ms. Avg though with nothing else running is about 40-80ms. Dennis -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John J. Thomas Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2007 11:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Try it out vs. Cingular Sprint EVDO is $59-79 per month, and there are hardware routers that accept the card. John -Original Message- From: Pete Davis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 05:09 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Try it out vs. Cingular The $10/mo for web access with Sprint ONLY applies to the use on the phone. When you plug in the data cable, and use it as a modem, its like $0.30/kb. Learning that lesson cost me. The unlimited phone-as-a-modem or data card rate is around $39/mo. Does anyone know if there are drivers/capabilities to link a data card to a Mikrotik or StarOS box? I guess that there are other Linux drivers out there, so my thinking may work. I have considered for some time the possibilities of making a box to mount in my car (car-puter) with a Sprint (or Cingular, or Verizon, or whoever) cellular type data connection, with a WIFI client as the primary (or secondary) mode of connection. With DDNS, access to the dash mounted camera, GPS stream, etc should be easy enough, making it a roll-your-own LowJack type system. Also, in the car, an ethernet jack to plug a laptop into could be nice, as well as opening the possibilities to put in an ATA to make VOIP calls, as well as adding a WIFI AP. $39/mo for unlimited data connectivity, especially if it gives the speed/latency required to do VOIP, seems like a bargain compared to $129/mo for 2000 minutes. I guess a Windows-based system could do all of those things, but the RAM/processor/etc/boot time/bluescreens associated with Windoze don't seem to make it conducive to this type of project, IMO. The car-puter installation plan things that I have read about seem to focus on GPS and MP3 playing. Since my wreck 6 yrs ago, where I couldn't prove to the insurance company (5 eyewitnesses from every direction from the intersection and a police report weren't good enough) that I had the green light. I have been thinking about a car-mounted DVR with cameras in the grill, the dash, and in the back to offer video defense in a car accident claim. Showing the judge, the insurance agent, or whoever a DVD of the video surveillance of the accident could save a lot of time and hassle. What I wish someone would sell for a car (these things probably all exist in one form or another with various systems) is a computer that will act as a: DVR security cam recorder (cam pointed at the driver seat to prosecute the car thief, + cams on bumpers to witness accidents) Data port (ethernet + WIFI AP) Web server (with DDNS support to access the stored data, even when the car is away from the house, like at an impound yard or after being stolen) MP3 player Realtime ODBII scanning/recording/diagnostics of the car. VOIP system. GPS stream recording. (to show he teenage driver when/how fast she was really driving) I would think that these things could all be incorporated for under $2k, mounted in the trunk, and it would be something that would sell like crazy for $3k installed. I guess what I would like is a retail version of this with more features: http://www.popsci.com/popsci/how20/d04305f2dbbf1110vgnvcm104eecbccdrcrd .html pd Rich Comroe wrote: What a rip! Sprint told me it's only $300-400 to get out of a Sprint contract. What's it cost to early terminate a Cingular contract? Why doesn't he just terminate? Getting a $1200 monthly bill is ridiculous! UNLIMITED data to a Sprint windows phone is only about $10/month, and there's no way to limit it to not operate tethered to a computer (other than unreasonably large download usage). And it's EVDO, so it blows away that measley 125 - 175 kbit. I really think those PCMCIA cards are a rip-off for service cost compared to just getting unlimited data service to your cellphone. I love ppc6700 windows phones ... a lot lighter and smaller than a laptop yet nearly as capable. Rich - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 8:08 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Try it out vs. Cingular oh, I'm most certainly under $1200, even for a whole year. :-p Anyone have experience getting out of a bad Cingular deal? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Scott Reed [EMAIL
Re: [WISPA] Try it out vs. Cingular
3G Routers: Digi ConnectPort WAN VPN supports GSM EDGE CDMA/EVDO Encore Networks Bandit III that is Industrially Hardened Security Appliance - will connect to T1, DSL, IP, PSTN or CDMA/EVDO or GSM AirLink Raven X supports EVDO Linksys WRGT54G3G-ST supports EVDO Junxion Box supports EVDO Regards, Peter @ RAD-INFO, Inc. Dennis Burgess - 2K Wireless wrote: I have been looking into wholeselling these cards with the routers bundled together. Mostly for customers who are outside of my converage area. Will let you know more about it, specifically sprint is running EDVO RevA, cards get a good 1.5 meg down, latency to the first hop varies, from 40ms to about 500ms. Avg though with nothing else running is about 40-80ms. Dennis -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John J. Thomas Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2007 11:30 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Try it out vs. Cingular Sprint EVDO is $59-79 per month, and there are hardware routers that accept the card. John -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Try it out vs. Cingular
Sprint EVDO is $59-79 per month, and there are hardware routers that accept the card. John -Original Message- From: Pete Davis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 05:09 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Try it out vs. Cingular The $10/mo for web access with Sprint ONLY applies to the use on the phone. When you plug in the data cable, and use it as a modem, its like $0.30/kb. Learning that lesson cost me. The unlimited phone-as-a-modem or data card rate is around $39/mo. Does anyone know if there are drivers/capabilities to link a data card to a Mikrotik or StarOS box? I guess that there are other Linux drivers out there, so my thinking may work. I have considered for some time the possibilities of making a box to mount in my car (car-puter) with a Sprint (or Cingular, or Verizon, or whoever) cellular type data connection, with a WIFI client as the primary (or secondary) mode of connection. With DDNS, access to the dash mounted camera, GPS stream, etc should be easy enough, making it a roll-your-own LowJack type system. Also, in the car, an ethernet jack to plug a laptop into could be nice, as well as opening the possibilities to put in an ATA to make VOIP calls, as well as adding a WIFI AP. $39/mo for unlimited data connectivity, especially if it gives the speed/latency required to do VOIP, seems like a bargain compared to $129/mo for 2000 minutes. I guess a Windows-based system could do all of those things, but the RAM/processor/etc/boot time/bluescreens associated with Windoze don't seem to make it conducive to this type of project, IMO. The car-puter installation plan things that I have read about seem to focus on GPS and MP3 playing. Since my wreck 6 yrs ago, where I couldn't prove to the insurance company (5 eyewitnesses from every direction from the intersection and a police report weren't good enough) that I had the green light. I have been thinking about a car-mounted DVR with cameras in the grill, the dash, and in the back to offer video defense in a car accident claim. Showing the judge, the insurance agent, or whoever a DVD of the video surveillance of the accident could save a lot of time and hassle. What I wish someone would sell for a car (these things probably all exist in one form or another with various systems) is a computer that will act as a: DVR security cam recorder (cam pointed at the driver seat to prosecute the car thief, + cams on bumpers to witness accidents) Data port (ethernet + WIFI AP) Web server (with DDNS support to access the stored data, even when the car is away from the house, like at an impound yard or after being stolen) MP3 player Realtime ODBII scanning/recording/diagnostics of the car. VOIP system. GPS stream recording. (to show he teenage driver when/how fast she was really driving) I would think that these things could all be incorporated for under $2k, mounted in the trunk, and it would be something that would sell like crazy for $3k installed. I guess what I would like is a retail version of this with more features: http://www.popsci.com/popsci/how20/d04305f2dbbf1110vgnvcm104eecbccdrcrd.html pd Rich Comroe wrote: What a rip! Sprint told me it's only $300-400 to get out of a Sprint contract. What's it cost to early terminate a Cingular contract? Why doesn't he just terminate? Getting a $1200 monthly bill is ridiculous! UNLIMITED data to a Sprint windows phone is only about $10/month, and there's no way to limit it to not operate tethered to a computer (other than unreasonably large download usage). And it's EVDO, so it blows away that measley 125 - 175 kbit. I really think those PCMCIA cards are a rip-off for service cost compared to just getting unlimited data service to your cellphone. I love ppc6700 windows phones ... a lot lighter and smaller than a laptop yet nearly as capable. Rich - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 8:08 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Try it out vs. Cingular oh, I'm most certainly under $1200, even for a whole year. :-p Anyone have experience getting out of a bad Cingular deal? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Scott Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 7:48 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Try it out vs. Cingular Even if he can't get out of the Cingular contract, I would think paying you your normal rates would cost less than $1200 to Cingular. Suggest that your unlimited service is still less expensive than overages. Mike Hammett wrote: I have a potential customer that wanted to try out my service. He's got money, so I wasn't afraid he was looking to get something for nothing. He has Cingular now and can only get 125 - 175 kbit out
Re: [WISPA] Try it out vs. Cingular
The $10/mo for web access with Sprint ONLY applies to the use on the phone. When you plug in the data cable, and use it as a modem, its like $0.30/kb. Learning that lesson cost me. The unlimited phone-as-a-modem or data card rate is around $39/mo. Does anyone know if there are drivers/capabilities to link a data card to a Mikrotik or StarOS box? I guess that there are other Linux drivers out there, so my thinking may work. I have considered for some time the possibilities of making a box to mount in my car (car-puter) with a Sprint (or Cingular, or Verizon, or whoever) cellular type data connection, with a WIFI client as the primary (or secondary) mode of connection. With DDNS, access to the dash mounted camera, GPS stream, etc should be easy enough, making it a roll-your-own LowJack type system. Also, in the car, an ethernet jack to plug a laptop into could be nice, as well as opening the possibilities to put in an ATA to make VOIP calls, as well as adding a WIFI AP. $39/mo for unlimited data connectivity, especially if it gives the speed/latency required to do VOIP, seems like a bargain compared to $129/mo for 2000 minutes. I guess a Windows-based system could do all of those things, but the RAM/processor/etc/boot time/bluescreens associated with Windoze don't seem to make it conducive to this type of project, IMO. The car-puter installation plan things that I have read about seem to focus on GPS and MP3 playing. Since my wreck 6 yrs ago, where I couldn't prove to the insurance company (5 eyewitnesses from every direction from the intersection and a police report weren't good enough) that I had the green light. I have been thinking about a car-mounted DVR with cameras in the grill, the dash, and in the back to offer video defense in a car accident claim. Showing the judge, the insurance agent, or whoever a DVD of the video surveillance of the accident could save a lot of time and hassle. What I wish someone would sell for a car (these things probably all exist in one form or another with various systems) is a computer that will act as a: DVR security cam recorder (cam pointed at the driver seat to prosecute the car thief, + cams on bumpers to witness accidents) Data port (ethernet + WIFI AP) Web server (with DDNS support to access the stored data, even when the car is away from the house, like at an impound yard or after being stolen) MP3 player Realtime ODBII scanning/recording/diagnostics of the car. VOIP system. GPS stream recording. (to show he teenage driver when/how fast she was really driving) I would think that these things could all be incorporated for under $2k, mounted in the trunk, and it would be something that would sell like crazy for $3k installed. I guess what I would like is a retail version of this with more features: http://www.popsci.com/popsci/how20/d04305f2dbbf1110vgnvcm104eecbccdrcrd.html pd Rich Comroe wrote: What a rip! Sprint told me it's only $300-400 to get out of a Sprint contract. What's it cost to early terminate a Cingular contract? Why doesn't he just terminate? Getting a $1200 monthly bill is ridiculous! UNLIMITED data to a Sprint windows phone is only about $10/month, and there's no way to limit it to not operate tethered to a computer (other than unreasonably large download usage). And it's EVDO, so it blows away that measley 125 - 175 kbit. I really think those PCMCIA cards are a rip-off for service cost compared to just getting unlimited data service to your cellphone. I love ppc6700 windows phones ... a lot lighter and smaller than a laptop yet nearly as capable. Rich - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 8:08 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Try it out vs. Cingular oh, I'm most certainly under $1200, even for a whole year. :-p Anyone have experience getting out of a bad Cingular deal? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Scott Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 7:48 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Try it out vs. Cingular Even if he can't get out of the Cingular contract, I would think paying you your normal rates would cost less than $1200 to Cingular. Suggest that your unlimited service is still less expensive than overages. Mike Hammett wrote: I have a potential customer that wanted to try out my service. He's got money, so I wasn't afraid he was looking to get something for nothing. He has Cingular now and can only get 125 - 175 kbit out of it. I clearly can provide a faster less latent service for a lower monthly cost (costs him $70/month). Apparently he wasn't on the unlimited rate plan and got hit with a $1200 bill. He doesn't think he can get out of his Cingular. *argh* That said, can anyone think of a way to hookup
Re: [WISPA] Try it out vs. Cingular
Last I checked, 3G systems have horrible latency, therefore are not good for VoIP. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Pete Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 7:09 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Try it out vs. Cingular The $10/mo for web access with Sprint ONLY applies to the use on the phone. When you plug in the data cable, and use it as a modem, its like $0.30/kb. Learning that lesson cost me. The unlimited phone-as-a-modem or data card rate is around $39/mo. Does anyone know if there are drivers/capabilities to link a data card to a Mikrotik or StarOS box? I guess that there are other Linux drivers out there, so my thinking may work. I have considered for some time the possibilities of making a box to mount in my car (car-puter) with a Sprint (or Cingular, or Verizon, or whoever) cellular type data connection, with a WIFI client as the primary (or secondary) mode of connection. With DDNS, access to the dash mounted camera, GPS stream, etc should be easy enough, making it a roll-your-own LowJack type system. Also, in the car, an ethernet jack to plug a laptop into could be nice, as well as opening the possibilities to put in an ATA to make VOIP calls, as well as adding a WIFI AP. $39/mo for unlimited data connectivity, especially if it gives the speed/latency required to do VOIP, seems like a bargain compared to $129/mo for 2000 minutes. I guess a Windows-based system could do all of those things, but the RAM/processor/etc/boot time/bluescreens associated with Windoze don't seem to make it conducive to this type of project, IMO. The car-puter installation plan things that I have read about seem to focus on GPS and MP3 playing. Since my wreck 6 yrs ago, where I couldn't prove to the insurance company (5 eyewitnesses from every direction from the intersection and a police report weren't good enough) that I had the green light. I have been thinking about a car-mounted DVR with cameras in the grill, the dash, and in the back to offer video defense in a car accident claim. Showing the judge, the insurance agent, or whoever a DVD of the video surveillance of the accident could save a lot of time and hassle. What I wish someone would sell for a car (these things probably all exist in one form or another with various systems) is a computer that will act as a: DVR security cam recorder (cam pointed at the driver seat to prosecute the car thief, + cams on bumpers to witness accidents) Data port (ethernet + WIFI AP) Web server (with DDNS support to access the stored data, even when the car is away from the house, like at an impound yard or after being stolen) MP3 player Realtime ODBII scanning/recording/diagnostics of the car. VOIP system. GPS stream recording. (to show he teenage driver when/how fast she was really driving) I would think that these things could all be incorporated for under $2k, mounted in the trunk, and it would be something that would sell like crazy for $3k installed. I guess what I would like is a retail version of this with more features: http://www.popsci.com/popsci/how20/d04305f2dbbf1110vgnvcm104eecbccdrcrd.html pd Rich Comroe wrote: What a rip! Sprint told me it's only $300-400 to get out of a Sprint contract. What's it cost to early terminate a Cingular contract? Why doesn't he just terminate? Getting a $1200 monthly bill is ridiculous! UNLIMITED data to a Sprint windows phone is only about $10/month, and there's no way to limit it to not operate tethered to a computer (other than unreasonably large download usage). And it's EVDO, so it blows away that measley 125 - 175 kbit. I really think those PCMCIA cards are a rip-off for service cost compared to just getting unlimited data service to your cellphone. I love ppc6700 windows phones ... a lot lighter and smaller than a laptop yet nearly as capable. Rich - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 8:08 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Try it out vs. Cingular oh, I'm most certainly under $1200, even for a whole year. :-p Anyone have experience getting out of a bad Cingular deal? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Scott Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 7:48 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Try it out vs. Cingular Even if he can't get out of the Cingular contract, I would think paying you your normal rates would cost less than $1200 to Cingular. Suggest that your unlimited service is still less expensive than overages. Mike Hammett wrote: I have a potential customer that wanted to try out my service. He's got money, so I wasn't afraid he was looking to get something for nothing. He has
RE: [WISPA] Try it out vs. Cingular
Verizon charges $45 USD a month for unlimited web access, using the phone. I told them where to stick it. :D Craig M. Grenier Production TAC Engineer Savvis, Inc. e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Built to RespondTM This message contains information which may be confidential and/or privileged. Unless you are the intended recipient (or authorized to receive for the intended recipient), you may not read, use, copy or disclose to anyone the message or any information contained in the message. If you have received the message in error, please advise the sender by reply e-mail at [EMAIL PROTECTED] and delete the message and any attachment(s) thereto without retaining any copies. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pete Davis Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 7:09 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Try it out vs. Cingular The $10/mo for web access with Sprint ONLY applies to the use on the phone. When you plug in the data cable, and use it as a modem, its like $0.30/kb. Learning that lesson cost me. The unlimited phone-as-a-modem or data card rate is around $39/mo. Does anyone know if there are drivers/capabilities to link a data card to a Mikrotik or StarOS box? I guess that there are other Linux drivers out there, so my thinking may work. I have considered for some time the possibilities of making a box to mount in my car (car-puter) with a Sprint (or Cingular, or Verizon, or whoever) cellular type data connection, with a WIFI client as the primary (or secondary) mode of connection. With DDNS, access to the dash mounted camera, GPS stream, etc should be easy enough, making it a roll-your-own LowJack type system. Also, in the car, an ethernet jack to plug a laptop into could be nice, as well as opening the possibilities to put in an ATA to make VOIP calls, as well as adding a WIFI AP. $39/mo for unlimited data connectivity, especially if it gives the speed/latency required to do VOIP, seems like a bargain compared to $129/mo for 2000 minutes. I guess a Windows-based system could do all of those things, but the RAM/processor/etc/boot time/bluescreens associated with Windoze don't seem to make it conducive to this type of project, IMO. The car-puter installation plan things that I have read about seem to focus on GPS and MP3 playing. Since my wreck 6 yrs ago, where I couldn't prove to the insurance company (5 eyewitnesses from every direction from the intersection and a police report weren't good enough) that I had the green light. I have been thinking about a car-mounted DVR with cameras in the grill, the dash, and in the back to offer video defense in a car accident claim. Showing the judge, the insurance agent, or whoever a DVD of the video surveillance of the accident could save a lot of time and hassle. What I wish someone would sell for a car (these things probably all exist in one form or another with various systems) is a computer that will act as a: DVR security cam recorder (cam pointed at the driver seat to prosecute the car thief, + cams on bumpers to witness accidents) Data port (ethernet + WIFI AP) Web server (with DDNS support to access the stored data, even when the car is away from the house, like at an impound yard or after being stolen) MP3 player Realtime ODBII scanning/recording/diagnostics of the car. VOIP system. GPS stream recording. (to show he teenage driver when/how fast she was really driving) I would think that these things could all be incorporated for under $2k, mounted in the trunk, and it would be something that would sell like crazy for $3k installed. I guess what I would like is a retail version of this with more features: http://www.popsci.com/popsci/how20/d04305f2dbbf1110vgnvcm104eecbccdr crd.html pd Rich Comroe wrote: What a rip! Sprint told me it's only $300-400 to get out of a Sprint contract. What's it cost to early terminate a Cingular contract? Why doesn't he just terminate? Getting a $1200 monthly bill is ridiculous! UNLIMITED data to a Sprint windows phone is only about $10/month, and there's no way to limit it to not operate tethered to a computer (other than unreasonably large download usage). And it's EVDO, so it blows away that measley 125 - 175 kbit. I really think those PCMCIA cards are a rip-off for service cost compared to just getting unlimited data service to your cellphone. I love ppc6700 windows phones ... a lot lighter and smaller than a laptop yet nearly as capable. Rich - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 8:08 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Try it out vs. Cingular oh, I'm most certainly under $1200, even for a whole year. :-p Anyone have experience getting out of a bad Cingular deal? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message
Re: [WISPA] Try it out vs. Cingular
We ran Skype from our windows phones. Why? Just to see if it'd work as an internet app! :-) Worked fine. Rich - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 7:38 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Try it out vs. Cingular Last I checked, 3G systems have horrible latency, therefore are not good for VoIP. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Pete Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 7:09 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Try it out vs. Cingular The $10/mo for web access with Sprint ONLY applies to the use on the phone. When you plug in the data cable, and use it as a modem, its like $0.30/kb. Learning that lesson cost me. The unlimited phone-as-a-modem or data card rate is around $39/mo. Does anyone know if there are drivers/capabilities to link a data card to a Mikrotik or StarOS box? I guess that there are other Linux drivers out there, so my thinking may work. I have considered for some time the possibilities of making a box to mount in my car (car-puter) with a Sprint (or Cingular, or Verizon, or whoever) cellular type data connection, with a WIFI client as the primary (or secondary) mode of connection. With DDNS, access to the dash mounted camera, GPS stream, etc should be easy enough, making it a roll-your-own LowJack type system. Also, in the car, an ethernet jack to plug a laptop into could be nice, as well as opening the possibilities to put in an ATA to make VOIP calls, as well as adding a WIFI AP. $39/mo for unlimited data connectivity, especially if it gives the speed/latency required to do VOIP, seems like a bargain compared to $129/mo for 2000 minutes. I guess a Windows-based system could do all of those things, but the RAM/processor/etc/boot time/bluescreens associated with Windoze don't seem to make it conducive to this type of project, IMO. The car-puter installation plan things that I have read about seem to focus on GPS and MP3 playing. Since my wreck 6 yrs ago, where I couldn't prove to the insurance company (5 eyewitnesses from every direction from the intersection and a police report weren't good enough) that I had the green light. I have been thinking about a car-mounted DVR with cameras in the grill, the dash, and in the back to offer video defense in a car accident claim. Showing the judge, the insurance agent, or whoever a DVD of the video surveillance of the accident could save a lot of time and hassle. What I wish someone would sell for a car (these things probably all exist in one form or another with various systems) is a computer that will act as a: DVR security cam recorder (cam pointed at the driver seat to prosecute the car thief, + cams on bumpers to witness accidents) Data port (ethernet + WIFI AP) Web server (with DDNS support to access the stored data, even when the car is away from the house, like at an impound yard or after being stolen) MP3 player Realtime ODBII scanning/recording/diagnostics of the car. VOIP system. GPS stream recording. (to show he teenage driver when/how fast she was really driving) I would think that these things could all be incorporated for under $2k, mounted in the trunk, and it would be something that would sell like crazy for $3k installed. I guess what I would like is a retail version of this with more features: http://www.popsci.com/popsci/how20/d04305f2dbbf1110vgnvcm104eecbccdrcrd.html pd Rich Comroe wrote: What a rip! Sprint told me it's only $300-400 to get out of a Sprint contract. What's it cost to early terminate a Cingular contract? Why doesn't he just terminate? Getting a $1200 monthly bill is ridiculous! UNLIMITED data to a Sprint windows phone is only about $10/month, and there's no way to limit it to not operate tethered to a computer (other than unreasonably large download usage). And it's EVDO, so it blows away that measley 125 - 175 kbit. I really think those PCMCIA cards are a rip-off for service cost compared to just getting unlimited data service to your cellphone. I love ppc6700 windows phones ... a lot lighter and smaller than a laptop yet nearly as capable. Rich - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 8:08 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Try it out vs. Cingular oh, I'm most certainly under $1200, even for a whole year. :-p Anyone have experience getting out of a bad Cingular deal? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Scott Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 7:48 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Try it out vs. Cingular Even if he can't get out of the Cingular contract, I would think paying you your
Re: [WISPA] Try it out vs. Cingular
- Original Message - From: Pete Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 7:09 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Try it out vs. Cingular The $10/mo for web access with Sprint ONLY applies to the use on the phone. When you plug in the data cable, and use it as a modem, its like $0.30/kb. Learning that lesson cost me. The unlimited phone-as-a-modem or data card rate is around $39/mo. On a windows phone, an operator shouldn't be able to tell if a byte of data sent to the phone is passed onto a tethered PC. Sprint tries to control the software on their phones so that they can (if you obtain windows from Sprint they pre-install a set of their own Sprint patches [and remove key windows networking components] they only offer a several versions old version of windows). On every computer I own the first thing I do is dump the distributor supplied pre-installed OS and put on a clean installation (distributors pre-install so much crap software). But you're free to run any version of Microsoft Windows Mobile you want. It's impossible for an operator to control the version of windows that a user may run. There's open source bootloaders to install any version of windows mobile that's compatible with your phone. On non-windows phones, there's an embedded phone feature that uses a different NIC value when a tethered PC establishes a data-session from a tethered device. I've seen instructions on the internet for turning off this phone feature in phones (that changes the NIC value), making any byte of data fetched for an external data session indistinguishable from data sessions from the phone. Sprint keeps a BW tally for all data sessions, but the trigger that someone without an unlimited external data subscription is based on extreme download quantities. I used to occasionally use my previous java phone tethered to my laptop without issue. But with a windows phone I now seldom lug a laptop around anymore as the phone is so full-featured. Does anyone know if there are drivers/capabilities to link a data card to a Mikrotik or StarOS box? I guess that there are other Linux drivers out there, so my thinking may work. I have considered for some time the possibilities of making a box to mount in my car (car-puter) with a Sprint (or Cingular, or Verizon, or whoever) cellular type data connection, with a WIFI client as the primary (or secondary) mode of connection. With DDNS, access to the dash mounted camera, GPS stream, etc should be easy enough, making it a roll-your-own LowJack type system. Also, in the car, an ethernet jack to plug a laptop into could be nice, as well as opening the possibilities to put in an ATA to make VOIP calls, as well as adding a WIFI AP. $39/mo for unlimited data connectivity, especially if it gives the speed/latency required to do VOIP, seems like a bargain compared to $129/mo for 2000 minutes. I guess a Windows-based system could do all of those things, but the RAM/processor/etc/boot time/bluescreens associated with Windoze don't seem to make it conducive to this type of project, IMO. I've seen some home-built's on the Internet (there's a public project kit). They're pretty cool. But the latest windows mobile running on any standard bluetooth or wifi capable windows phone can do this. My phone can do this ... no extra cost ... no extra hardware. I wouldn't leave it in the car, but it certainly can make a hot-spot in my bluetooth or wifi radius for other computers using windows ICS. If one wanted a permenant installation, by all means build the public project. While writing this I don't recall the URL, but if you're interested it wasn't hard to find. I suspect you've already seen the public projects. All someone needs to form a business is to build sell these (if someone isn't doing it already!). The car-puter installation plan things that I have read about seem to focus on GPS and MP3 playing. Maybe you haven't seen the public project I saw. The one I've seen focuses on a car wi-fi hotspot. Look for stompbox. Try http://www.stompboxnetworks.com/index.html Since my wreck 6 yrs ago, where I couldn't prove to the insurance company (5 eyewitnesses from every direction from the intersection and a police report weren't good enough) that I had the green light. I have been thinking about a car-mounted DVR with cameras in the grill, the dash, and in the back to offer video defense in a car accident claim. Showing the judge, the insurance agent, or whoever a DVD of the video surveillance of the accident could save a lot of time and hassle. What I wish someone would sell for a car (these things probably all exist in one form or another with various systems) is a computer that will act as a: DVR security cam recorder (cam pointed at the driver seat to prosecute the car thief, + cams on bumpers to witness accidents) Data port (ethernet + WIFI AP) Web
[WISPA] Try it out vs. Cingular
I have a potential customer that wanted to try out my service. He's got money, so I wasn't afraid he was looking to get something for nothing. He has Cingular now and can only get 125 - 175 kbit out of it. I clearly can provide a faster less latent service for a lower monthly cost (costs him $70/month). Apparently he wasn't on the unlimited rate plan and got hit with a $1200 bill. He doesn't think he can get out of his Cingular. *argh* That said, can anyone think of a way to hookup a standalone fax machine with the Cingular card? I can't contemplate anything at all. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Try it out vs. Cingular
Even if he can't get out of the Cingular contract, I would think paying you your normal rates would cost less than $1200 to Cingular. Suggest that your unlimited service is still less expensive than overages. Mike Hammett wrote: I have a potential customer that wanted to try out my service. He's got money, so I wasn't afraid he was looking to get something for nothing. He has Cingular now and can only get 125 - 175 kbit out of it. I clearly can provide a faster less latent service for a lower monthly cost (costs him $70/month). Apparently he wasn't on the unlimited rate plan and got hit with a $1200 bill. He doesn't think he can get out of his Cingular. *argh* That said, can anyone think of a way to hookup a standalone fax machine with the Cingular card? I can't contemplate anything at all. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration www.nwwnet.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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oh, I'm most certainly under $1200, even for a whole year. :-p Anyone have experience getting out of a bad Cingular deal? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Scott Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 7:48 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Try it out vs. Cingular Even if he can't get out of the Cingular contract, I would think paying you your normal rates would cost less than $1200 to Cingular. Suggest that your unlimited service is still less expensive than overages. Mike Hammett wrote: I have a potential customer that wanted to try out my service. He's got money, so I wasn't afraid he was looking to get something for nothing. He has Cingular now and can only get 125 - 175 kbit out of it. I clearly can provide a faster less latent service for a lower monthly cost (costs him $70/month). Apparently he wasn't on the unlimited rate plan and got hit with a $1200 bill. He doesn't think he can get out of his Cingular. *argh* That said, can anyone think of a way to hookup a standalone fax machine with the Cingular card? I can't contemplate anything at all. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration www.nwwnet.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Try it out vs. Cingular
Trying to help someone out of a contract is illegal (unless you are their legal counsel). Ask your attorney if you want confirmation of this. The better approach is to sell your service in addition to the existing service. Tell him this provides a backup service in case one or the other is down and it provides enough cost savings to pay for your service. If he wants to get out of his contract then let him do it himself. Scriv Mike Hammett wrote: oh, I'm most certainly under $1200, even for a whole year. :-p Anyone have experience getting out of a bad Cingular deal? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Scott Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 7:48 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Try it out vs. Cingular Even if he can't get out of the Cingular contract, I would think paying you your normal rates would cost less than $1200 to Cingular. Suggest that your unlimited service is still less expensive than overages. Mike Hammett wrote: I have a potential customer that wanted to try out my service. He's got money, so I wasn't afraid he was looking to get something for nothing. He has Cingular now and can only get 125 - 175 kbit out of it. I clearly can provide a faster less latent service for a lower monthly cost (costs him $70/month). Apparently he wasn't on the unlimited rate plan and got hit with a $1200 bill. He doesn't think he can get out of his Cingular. *argh* That said, can anyone think of a way to hookup a standalone fax machine with the Cingular card? I can't contemplate anything at all. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration www.nwwnet.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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Not all alternatives are costly (Lawyer) or illegal. Although the third link does broach on some moral grey areas. http://www.celltradeusa.com/ http://www.chipchick.com/2006/05/how_to_get_out_.html http://www.wikihow.com/Get-out-of-a-Cellular-Service-Contract David -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 10:05 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Try it out vs. Cingular Trying to help someone out of a contract is illegal (unless you are their legal counsel). Ask your attorney if you want confirmation of this. The better approach is to sell your service in addition to the existing service. Tell him this provides a backup service in case one or the other is down and it provides enough cost savings to pay for your service. If he wants to get out of his contract then let him do it himself. Scriv Mike Hammett wrote: oh, I'm most certainly under $1200, even for a whole year. :-p Anyone have experience getting out of a bad Cingular deal? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Scott Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 7:48 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Try it out vs. Cingular Even if he can't get out of the Cingular contract, I would think paying you your normal rates would cost less than $1200 to Cingular. Suggest that your unlimited service is still less expensive than overages. Mike Hammett wrote: I have a potential customer that wanted to try out my service. He's got money, so I wasn't afraid he was looking to get something for nothing. He has Cingular now and can only get 125 - 175 kbit out of it. I clearly can provide a faster less latent service for a lower monthly cost (costs him $70/month). Apparently he wasn't on the unlimited rate plan and got hit with a $1200 bill. He doesn't think he can get out of his Cingular. *argh* That said, can anyone think of a way to hookup a standalone fax machine with the Cingular card? I can't contemplate anything at all. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration www.nwwnet.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.6/795 - Release Date: 5/9/2007 3:07 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.6/795 - Release Date: 5/9/2007 3:07 PM CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail communication and any attachments may contain confidential and privileged information for the use of the designated recipients. If you are not the intended recipient, (or authorized to receive for the recipient) you are hereby notified that you have received this communication in error and that any review, disclosure, dissemination, distribution or copying of it or its contents is prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please destroy all copies of this communication and any attachments and contact the sender by reply email or telephone (800) 945-3294. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Try it out vs. Cingular
The contract has the termination penalty written in it. For cell phones it is usually $150-$300. I don't know about data cards, but likely the same thing. Mike Hammett wrote: oh, I'm most certainly under $1200, even for a whole year. :-p Anyone have experience getting out of a bad Cingular deal? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Try it out vs. Cingular
Our current cell contract is 50% of the remaining contract price. So if you have a $50/month contract with 12 months left, you would owe $300 to get out. Travis Microserv Peter R. wrote: The contract has the termination penalty written in it. For cell phones it is usually $150-$300. I don't know about data cards, but likely the same thing. Mike Hammett wrote: oh, I'm most certainly under $1200, even for a whole year. :-p Anyone have experience getting out of a bad Cingular deal? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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It's hard for me to believe he can't get out of his contract. A customer of ours told me a couple years ago that there is some laws, maybe just in Oregon, not sure, that eliminate the early termination fees. I would dig deeper, there is no freaking way that you can be sold something like a cell phone service and have to pay if the service is sub standard. I would especially want to attack the 1200 bill. If they can sell you 1200 worth of service in one month, and the same amount of service for 50 more than your base bill, then I think there is also a giant hole in the contract. I bet there is a very easy unknown out for this and a refund as well. I would start with the state public utilities commission. Call the Governator, or your local senator or rep. Don't swallow everything being shoved down your throats by a telco. Mike Hammett wrote: I have a potential customer that wanted to try out my service. He's got money, so I wasn't afraid he was looking to get something for nothing. He has Cingular now and can only get 125 - 175 kbit out of it. I clearly can provide a faster less latent service for a lower monthly cost (costs him $70/month). Apparently he wasn't on the unlimited rate plan and got hit with a $1200 bill. He doesn't think he can get out of his Cingular. *argh* That said, can anyone think of a way to hookup a standalone fax machine with the Cingular card? I can't contemplate anything at all. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Try it out vs. Cingular
Wow... I guess I'm more of a person of my word. If I sign a contract that says I'm going to be billed for overage, etc. and then I go over, I pay the bill. Apparently some people's signature (or handshake) isn't worth anything. :( Travis Microserv George Rogato wrote: It's hard for me to believe he can't get out of his contract. A customer of ours told me a couple years ago that there is some laws, maybe just in Oregon, not sure, that eliminate the early termination fees. I would dig deeper, there is no freaking way that you can be sold something like a cell phone service and have to pay if the service is sub standard. I would especially want to attack the 1200 bill. If they can sell you 1200 worth of service in one month, and the same amount of service for 50 more than your base bill, then I think there is also a giant hole in the contract. I bet there is a very easy unknown out for this and a refund as well. I would start with the state public utilities commission. Call the Governator, or your local senator or rep. Don't swallow everything being shoved down your throats by a telco. Mike Hammett wrote: I have a potential customer that wanted to try out my service. He's got money, so I wasn't afraid he was looking to get something for nothing. He has Cingular now and can only get 125 - 175 kbit out of it. I clearly can provide a faster less latent service for a lower monthly cost (costs him $70/month). Apparently he wasn't on the unlimited rate plan and got hit with a $1200 bill. He doesn't think he can get out of his Cingular. *argh* That said, can anyone think of a way to hookup a standalone fax machine with the Cingular card? I can't contemplate anything at all. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Try it out vs. Cingular
What a rip! Sprint told me it's only $300-400 to get out of a Sprint contract. What's it cost to early terminate a Cingular contract? Why doesn't he just terminate? Getting a $1200 monthly bill is ridiculous! UNLIMITED data to a Sprint windows phone is only about $10/month, and there's no way to limit it to not operate tethered to a computer (other than unreasonably large download usage). And it's EVDO, so it blows away that measley 125 - 175 kbit. I really think those PCMCIA cards are a rip-off for service cost compared to just getting unlimited data service to your cellphone. I love ppc6700 windows phones ... a lot lighter and smaller than a laptop yet nearly as capable. Rich - Original Message - From: Mike Hammett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 8:08 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Try it out vs. Cingular oh, I'm most certainly under $1200, even for a whole year. :-p Anyone have experience getting out of a bad Cingular deal? - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: Scott Reed [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 7:48 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Try it out vs. Cingular Even if he can't get out of the Cingular contract, I would think paying you your normal rates would cost less than $1200 to Cingular. Suggest that your unlimited service is still less expensive than overages. Mike Hammett wrote: I have a potential customer that wanted to try out my service. He's got money, so I wasn't afraid he was looking to get something for nothing. He has Cingular now and can only get 125 - 175 kbit out of it. I clearly can provide a faster less latent service for a lower monthly cost (costs him $70/month). Apparently he wasn't on the unlimited rate plan and got hit with a $1200 bill. He doesn't think he can get out of his Cingular. *argh* That said, can anyone think of a way to hookup a standalone fax machine with the Cingular card? I can't contemplate anything at all. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- Scott Reed Owner NewWays Wireless Networking Network Design, Installation and Administration www.nwwnet.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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George Rogato wrote: Words huh, thats the issue isn't it. You know how this stuff works, a customer calls cingular, sprint, verizon, and they get told barely the facts and then their bill comes in much higher with added costs. This only happens if you don't read the contract. (I feel that anyone who signs up for this kind of service online or over the phone is nuts. Go to the store - there's about five of them in every major shopping mall in this country - and READ THE BLEEPING CONTRACT.) I've bought a few cell phones and signed a few contracts in my day, and as contracts go, the language is generally pretty clear. If something doesn't make sense, it's in the salesperson's best interest to try to explain it, clearly and accurately, so you don't return the phone or data card. (Said contracts usually have an escape clause in the first two to four weeks.) I had a sub have me do a site survey last week. I Couldn't give him service and explained his options to him. Verizon told him that their cellular broadband was much much faster than qwest dsl and he could take it anywhere. A blatant lie told to an unsuspecting customer. This statement may be potentially misleading, but I don't see where it's untrue. A wireless broadband card can be faster than a low-quality DSL connection, and as long as you append anywhere you can receive cell signal to the sentence, it's technically correct. It's like saying how fast is a car? Is your car a shiny new Mustang or a thirty-year-old rusty pickup? You can't compare wireless to DSL, period. There's more to it than just a name. David Smith MVN.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Try it out vs. Cingular
I was able to get out of ours when I moved 6 phones to another company. I had a whole host of reasons beyond what you have but one thing that the new company told me that's been helpful is to claim that there's another alternative that meets needs they can't. tell them that you HAVE to have more that 200kbps. When they can't do it, tell them that you've found a company that can give it to you and you need to move to the new company. Naturally, they'll squawk. Persistence and call escalation seems to help. Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: George Rogato [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 8:38 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Try it out vs. Cingular It's hard for me to believe he can't get out of his contract. A customer of ours told me a couple years ago that there is some laws, maybe just in Oregon, not sure, that eliminate the early termination fees. I would dig deeper, there is no freaking way that you can be sold something like a cell phone service and have to pay if the service is sub standard. I would especially want to attack the 1200 bill. If they can sell you 1200 worth of service in one month, and the same amount of service for 50 more than your base bill, then I think there is also a giant hole in the contract. I bet there is a very easy unknown out for this and a refund as well. I would start with the state public utilities commission. Call the Governator, or your local senator or rep. Don't swallow everything being shoved down your throats by a telco. Mike Hammett wrote: I have a potential customer that wanted to try out my service. He's got money, so I wasn't afraid he was looking to get something for nothing. He has Cingular now and can only get 125 - 175 kbit out of it. I clearly can provide a faster less latent service for a lower monthly cost (costs him $70/month). Apparently he wasn't on the unlimited rate plan and got hit with a $1200 bill. He doesn't think he can get out of his Cingular. *argh* That said, can anyone think of a way to hookup a standalone fax machine with the Cingular card? I can't contemplate anything at all. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Try it out vs. Cingular
That's likely not the issue Travis. I think most here are. Having just left Cingular, the name also applies to the benefits of the contracts. Cingularly on the side of the cell co. I beat them up on their really crappy service levels and such lately. If they want a contract that says I have to stay with them, they also have to provide the service I need. Or at least something close to what they promised. Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)WISP Operator since 1999! [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: Travis Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: WISPA General List wireless@wispa.org Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 8:55 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Try it out vs. Cingular Wow... I guess I'm more of a person of my word. If I sign a contract that says I'm going to be billed for overage, etc. and then I go over, I pay the bill. Apparently some people's signature (or handshake) isn't worth anything. :( Travis Microserv George Rogato wrote: It's hard for me to believe he can't get out of his contract. A customer of ours told me a couple years ago that there is some laws, maybe just in Oregon, not sure, that eliminate the early termination fees. I would dig deeper, there is no freaking way that you can be sold something like a cell phone service and have to pay if the service is sub standard. I would especially want to attack the 1200 bill. If they can sell you 1200 worth of service in one month, and the same amount of service for 50 more than your base bill, then I think there is also a giant hole in the contract. I bet there is a very easy unknown out for this and a refund as well. I would start with the state public utilities commission. Call the Governator, or your local senator or rep. Don't swallow everything being shoved down your throats by a telco. Mike Hammett wrote: I have a potential customer that wanted to try out my service. He's got money, so I wasn't afraid he was looking to get something for nothing. He has Cingular now and can only get 125 - 175 kbit out of it. I clearly can provide a faster less latent service for a lower monthly cost (costs him $70/month). Apparently he wasn't on the unlimited rate plan and got hit with a $1200 bill. He doesn't think he can get out of his Cingular. *argh* That said, can anyone think of a way to hookup a standalone fax machine with the Cingular card? I can't contemplate anything at all. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Try it out vs. Cingular
David It's widely known Qwest has 1.5 meg and 6 meg service here, 1.5 megs being the standard offering. Verizon has more dead spots than swiss cheese. To tell a sub that it's faster than dsl and available everywhere is the biggest stretch I can think of. Which is the point, if you make a contract that is based on assumptions, assumptions brought on by the seller, regardless of whether a customer is sophisticated enough to do proper due diligence in the truthfulness of the offering seller is claiming. IE: it's faster than DSL = disclaimer: The slowest possible DSL, not the typical 1.5 meg and 6 meg DSL is being sold today. IE: Our service is available everywhere = disclaimer: Everywhere where our wireless signals reach, not including where they don't reach which is maybe 10-20 percent of our coverage area. So contracts can be broken without penalty, and without tarnishing a credit worthiness reputation Travis, when the contract is based on misleading information. The phone companies are full of misleading sales information. If they had to tell the truth it would be an entire different market. And Travis, my word is good as well, but don't think I won't kick someone in the crotch if I finding them taking advantage of me, contract or not. George David E. Smith wrote: George Rogato wrote: Words huh, thats the issue isn't it. You know how this stuff works, a customer calls cingular, sprint, verizon, and they get told barely the facts and then their bill comes in much higher with added costs. This only happens if you don't read the contract. (I feel that anyone who signs up for this kind of service online or over the phone is nuts. Go to the store - there's about five of them in every major shopping mall in this country - and READ THE BLEEPING CONTRACT.) I've bought a few cell phones and signed a few contracts in my day, and as contracts go, the language is generally pretty clear. If something doesn't make sense, it's in the salesperson's best interest to try to explain it, clearly and accurately, so you don't return the phone or data card. (Said contracts usually have an escape clause in the first two to four weeks.) I had a sub have me do a site survey last week. I Couldn't give him service and explained his options to him. Verizon told him that their cellular broadband was much much faster than qwest dsl and he could take it anywhere. A blatant lie told to an unsuspecting customer. This statement may be potentially misleading, but I don't see where it's untrue. A wireless broadband card can be faster than a low-quality DSL connection, and as long as you append anywhere you can receive cell signal to the sentence, it's technically correct. It's like saying how fast is a car? Is your car a shiny new Mustang or a thirty-year-old rusty pickup? You can't compare wireless to DSL, period. There's more to it than just a name. David Smith MVN.net -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
