Re: [WISPA] BGP Engineering

2007-09-05 Thread Matt Liotta
I don't know; it seems like you are trying to solve the wrong set of problems. Why not just build a business model based on paying T1 pricing? This will allow you to get your business rolling now without routing worries like you currently have. Further, you can bond more T1s as your needs grow.

Re: [WISPA] BGP Engineering

2007-09-05 Thread Mike Hammett
oh yeah, in DeKalb, IL 60115 - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Clint Ricker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 1:51 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] BG

Re: [WISPA] BGP Engineering

2007-09-05 Thread Mike Hammett
Clint Ricker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 1:51 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] BGP Engineering So, about $750-$900 per month? Anyone on the list have a POP in Chicago to share bandwidth (and bandwidth costs!) with Mike? You may

Re: [WISPA] BGP Engineering

2007-09-05 Thread Clint Ricker
though I've routinely hit 5 or 6 megs. > > > - > Mike Hammett > Intelligent Computing Solutions > http://www.ics-il.com > > > - Original Message - > From: "Clint Ricker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List"

Re: [WISPA] BGP Engineering

2007-09-05 Thread Mike Hammett
id E. Smith Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 11:37 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] BGP Engineering Mike Hammett wrote: > They don't route at all anywhere and have no intention of it. They have to route something somewhere, unless their whole network is one big flat

Re: [WISPA] BGP Engineering

2007-09-05 Thread Mike Hammett
I suppose another idea is to just have both routers on that same flat network. One is on my tower and the other in my provider's demarc with his upstream. I get an IP block from the upstream through my provider and carve out a /30 out of that to link both of my routers. Not knowing where\how

Re: [WISPA] BGP Engineering

2007-09-05 Thread Clint Ricker
h > Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 11:37 AM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] BGP Engineering > > Mike Hammett wrote: > > They don't route at all anywhere and have no intention of it. > > They have to route something somewhere, unless their whole net

RE: [WISPA] BGP Engineering

2007-09-05 Thread Jeff Broadwick
Would it be possible to bridge to the remote box on the provider's provider's NOC? Jeff -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David E. Smith Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 11:37 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [

Re: [WISPA] BGP Engineering

2007-09-05 Thread Mike Hammett
From: "Matt Liotta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 10:28 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] BGP Engineering Mike Hammett wrote: They don't route at all anywhere and have no intention of it. That doesn't make any sens

Re: [WISPA] BGP Engineering

2007-09-05 Thread David E. Smith
Mike Hammett wrote: They don't route at all anywhere and have no intention of it. They have to route something somewhere, unless their whole network is one big flat thing, and that just makes me want to weep. If you're presently using their IP addresses, they probably don't want to BGP-peer

Re: [WISPA] BGP Engineering

2007-09-05 Thread Matt Liotta
Mike Hammett wrote: They don't route at all anywhere and have no intention of it. That doesn't make any sense. If you are buying DIA then they need to route everywhere. I was getting ready to get my own ASN so I could bring in a second upstream for the redundancy and increased performance th

Re: [WISPA] BGP Engineering

2007-09-05 Thread Mike Hammett
Imagestream routers have a lot of beef. ;-) - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "David E. Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 10:06 A

Re: [WISPA] BGP Engineering

2007-09-05 Thread Mike Hammett
ondary route. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com - Original Message - From: "Clint Ricker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 10:04 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] BGP Engineering

Re: [WISPA] BGP Engineering

2007-09-05 Thread David E. Smith
Mike Hammett wrote: Being as though they aren't routing friendly (and don't want to change their whole network to be routing friendly), they are flexible enough where I imagine that I could put a box at their upstream and VPN over their network so I can do BGP. So you have your own direct IP a

Re: [WISPA] BGP Engineering

2007-09-05 Thread Clint Ricker
What do you mean by not "routing friendly"? Do you mean that they don't provide BGP peering? Or, that they just don't really know what they are doing... Unless you have multiple upstream connections, there is (rarely) any reason to do BGP peering yourself. If you have your own ARIN block, most