Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] FW: [WIRELESS-LAN] Outdoor APs
On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 12:54 PM, Howard, Christopher christopher-how...@utc.edu wrote: 3. They didn't want to run cable from the lights back to our network and instead wanted to use EPB (our local ISP) fiber to just give them an IP on the internet and we could just open our firewall to let them in. This is an interesting idea, but... surely it would have been more expensive... would EPB deep discount this or something? One fiber run per lamp post?? Seems like it would be outlandishly expensive, not to mention impossible to maintain... Now if they could have let you use their fiber plant to get back to your network, maybe... but would even THAT have saved money? Cable isn't free... I know this was a scrapped plan, but it intrigues me nonetheless. -- Hunter Fuller Network Engineer VBRH M-9B +1 256 824 5331 Office of Information Technology The University of Alabama in Huntsville Systems and Infrastructure I am part of the UAH Safe Zone LGBTQIA support network: http://www.uah.edu/student-affairs/safe-zone ** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] FW: [WIRELESS-LAN] Outdoor APs
Definitely don't blame you. Sounds like your campus designers have no experience with IT issues and solutions. Harry Rauch Sr. Network Analyst Eckerd College 4200 - 54th Ave S St. Petersburg, FL 33711 On 5/12/15 1:54 PM, Howard, Christopher wrote: They are based out of Chattanooga so of course we have had discussions with them. We decided against APs in lights for a number of reasons. 1. We are an Aruba shop. We want a seamless roaming experience for our users and feel that multiple vendor networks would hinder that. We also have 1 wireless admin for the entire campus and don't have the manpower to manage a separate wireless network. 2. They wanted to put security cameras on the lights as well. Since we use separate vlans for cameras and APs, we would need a switch. However, the only switch they would put in the light was unmanageable. 3. They didn't want to run cable from the lights back to our network and instead wanted to use EPB (our local ISP) fiber to just give them an IP on the internet and we could just open our firewall to let them in. Needless to say, our lights are strictly for lighting. * * *Christopher Howard* Senior Network Engineer University of Tennessee at Chattanooga/ / /Helping Students Achieve Excellence through Technology/ christopher-how...@utc.edu 423-425-1773 From: Watters, John john.watt...@ua.edu mailto:john.watt...@ua.edu Reply-To: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Date: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 at 12:53 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] FW: [WIRELESS-LAN] Outdoor APs I do have a number of Cisco 1142 APs that I could play with. I don't even see how any AP can be mounted in the glass globe. Surely they are not just set inside leaning against the inside of the globe. Does anyone use exterior lighting by GlobalGreenLighting with wireless APs in each device? -jcw UA Logo *__* John Watters The University of Alabama Office of Information Technology 205-348-3992 *From:*Philippe Hanset [mailto:phan...@anyroam.net] *Sent:* Tuesday, May 12, 2015 11:43 AM *To:* Watters, John *Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Outdoor APs John, When I was at UTK we installed APs outdoor in PVC electrical boxes in the sun and they “survived” the elements for at least 4 years. We felt comfortable doing this because we used recycled APs or “cheap APs” that would have not wasted State funds had it failed miserably. At least request from the assistant CIO to stress test a unit before going in production. Don’t you have older 802.11n Cisco APs that you could use for a sample configuration? Philippe Philippe Hanset www.anyroam.net http://www.anyroam.net On May 12, 2015, at 12:29 PM, Lee H Badman lhbad...@syr.edu mailto:lhbad...@syr.edu wrote: I guess that would be my first concern- why mixing systems? Are the Ruckus just supposed to be workgroup bridges in this case or actual client serving APs? I'm guessing anything could be cobbed together, but this sounds wonky. Also, heat has to be a concern in the light globe, no? *Lee H. Badman* Network Architect/Wireless TME ITS, Syracuse University 315.443.3003 *From:*The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU on behalf of Watters, John john.watt...@ua.edu mailto:john.watt...@ua.edu *Sent:*Tuesday, May 12, 2015 12:23 PM *To:*WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU *Subject:*Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Outdoor APs No. We are a Cisco shop. -jcw image004.jpg *__* John Watters The University of Alabama Office of Information Technology 205-348-3992 *From:*The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU]*On Behalf Of*Lee H Badman *Sent:*Tuesday, May 12, 2015 11:16 AM *To:*WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU *Subject:*Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Outdoor APs Are you already a Ruckus shop? *Lee H. Badman* Network Architect/Wireless TME ITS, Syracuse University 315.443.3003 *From:*The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU on behalf of Watters, John john.watt...@ua.edu mailto:john.watt...@ua.edu *Sent:*Tuesday, May 12, 2015 11:54 AM *To:*WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU *Subject
Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] FW: [WIRELESS-LAN] Outdoor APs
They are based out of Chattanooga so of course we have had discussions with them. We decided against APs in lights for a number of reasons. 1. We are an Aruba shop. We want a seamless roaming experience for our users and feel that multiple vendor networks would hinder that. We also have 1 wireless admin for the entire campus and don't have the manpower to manage a separate wireless network. 2. They wanted to put security cameras on the lights as well. Since we use separate vlans for cameras and APs, we would need a switch. However, the only switch they would put in the light was unmanageable. 3. They didn't want to run cable from the lights back to our network and instead wanted to use EPB (our local ISP) fiber to just give them an IP on the internet and we could just open our firewall to let them in. Needless to say, our lights are strictly for lighting. Christopher Howard Senior Network Engineer University of Tennessee at Chattanooga Helping Students Achieve Excellence through Technology christopher-how...@utc.edu 423-425-1773 From: Watters, John john.watt...@ua.edumailto:john.watt...@ua.edu Reply-To: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Date: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 at 12:53 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] FW: [WIRELESS-LAN] Outdoor APs I do have a number of Cisco 1142 APs that I could play with. I don't even see how any AP can be mounted in the glass globe. Surely they are not just set inside leaning against the inside of the globe. Does anyone use exterior lighting by GlobalGreenLighting with wireless APs in each device? -jcw [UA Logo] John Watters The University of Alabama Office of Information Technology 205-348-3992 From: Philippe Hanset [mailto:phan...@anyroam.net] Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 11:43 AM To: Watters, John Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Outdoor APs John, When I was at UTK we installed APs outdoor in PVC electrical boxes in the sun and they “survived” the elements for at least 4 years. We felt comfortable doing this because we used recycled APs or “cheap APs” that would have not wasted State funds had it failed miserably. At least request from the assistant CIO to stress test a unit before going in production. Don’t you have older 802.11n Cisco APs that you could use for a sample configuration? Philippe Philippe Hanset www.anyroam.nethttp://www.anyroam.net On May 12, 2015, at 12:29 PM, Lee H Badman lhbad...@syr.edumailto:lhbad...@syr.edu wrote: I guess that would be my first concern- why mixing systems? Are the Ruckus just supposed to be workgroup bridges in this case or actual client serving APs? I'm guessing anything could be cobbed together, but this sounds wonky. Also, heat has to be a concern in the light globe, no? Lee H. Badman Network Architect/Wireless TME ITS, Syracuse University 315.443.3003 From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU on behalf of Watters, John john.watt...@ua.edumailto:john.watt...@ua.edu Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 12:23 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Outdoor APs No. We are a Cisco shop. -jcw image004.jpg John Watters The University of Alabama Office of Information Technology 205-348-3992 From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Lee H Badman Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 11:16 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Outdoor APs Are you already a Ruckus shop? Lee H. Badman Network Architect/Wireless TME ITS, Syracuse University 315.443.3003 From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU on behalf of Watters, John john.watt...@ua.edumailto:john.watt...@ua.edu Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 11:54 AM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Outdoor APs Our facilities folks are installing new outdoor LED lighting. They want us to install APs inside of the light fixtures (not the poles, but inside
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The full text of their technology statement is: At Global Green Lighting our goal is to produce the most advanced, sustainable lighting systems in the world. To do this, we have merged cutting-edge, low-energy lighting with an industry-leading wireless control system. The result is changing the way that cities light and secure their communities The proprietary lighting control system utilized by GGL and licensed from Sensus USA uses an FCC-licensed, private spectrum radio signal to communicate with every GGL-installed light within a 35 mile radius. Each individual light is equipped with a two-way radio, which broadcasts in constant point-to-multipoint communication with a central transmitter controlled by a Homeland Security-approved software system. From either a centralized command center or a mobile control station in a police cruiser, each light can be turned off in an instant, dimmed to an appropriate level (on its own or in concert with surrounding lights), or even flashed on and off to indicate an emergency or to prevent a crime. The system uses the nation's first low-energy lighting (LED and Induction) with a utility certified meter from Sensus USA for every light. The lighting control system is able to monitor and manage individual lights while measuring and reporting each light's energy use. This enables the management of the lights to reduce energy usage and costs while maintaining superior performance. This smart technology offered by GGL provides energy savings for safer, more sustainable communities. They do not mention client access, only control functions. -jcw [UA Logo] John Watters The University of Alabama Office of Information Technology 205-348-3992 From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Howard, Christopher Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 2:50 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] FW: [WIRELESS-LAN] Outdoor APs The lights are controlled through the SENSUS stuff. (I was unaware of the name until now.) They have the ability to turn off and on lights from a web browser just by selecting the lights from a map. That control is over the low-frequency radio. I think they only have one in town here, maybe two. The people doing the web browser control have to be on the internet somewhere. The 802.11 AP part is for servicing clients. They sell it as easy to install and visibly attractive wifi. If we had gone that route, it would be wifi access only for UTC users and guests and would be completely separate from anything GGL managed. Christopher Howard Senior Network Engineer University of Tennessee at Chattanooga Helping Students Achieve Excellence through Technology christopher-how...@utc.edumailto:christopher-how...@utc.edu 423-425-1773 From: Philippe Hanset phan...@anyroam.netmailto:phan...@anyroam.net Reply-To: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Date: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 at 2:59 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] FW: [WIRELESS-LAN] Outdoor APs The documentation from the website mentions SENSUS USA, FCC-Licensed spectrum At the same time, John Watters is being asked to investigate Ruckus APs Zoneflex T300 (mentioned in his original email) to be installed in LED lights. In a second email from John the brand GlobalGreenLightning is being mentioned. So the sentence “industry leading wireless control system” made me mix Ruckus and SENSUS USA. But now I’m curious… is the whole lightning system wirelessly controlled by SENSUS USA and in addition there is room to add Wi-Fi? (Does it have to be Ruckus?) Chris Howard, since you are in Chattanooga and so is GGL (and I’m at least 100 miles away from you in Knoxville), could you tell us more? Sorry about this mess, Philippe Philippe Hanset www.eduroam.ushttp://www.eduroam.us On May 12, 2015, at 2:42 PM, Jason Watts jwa...@pratt.edumailto:jwa...@pratt.edu wrote: On May 12, 2015, at 2:26 PM, Philippe Hanset phan...@anyroam.netmailto:phan...@anyroam.net wrote: John, It looks like if your University selected GlobalGreenLightning you really don't have a choice as to which AP vendor you can use. http://www.globalgreenlighting.com/technology To do this, we have merged cutting-edge, low-energy lighting with an industry-leading wireless control system” So the Ruckus AP is actually a requirement. Am I reading this wrong? Philippe, Where on the page you linked is Ruckus even mentioned? I read that page as talking about
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John, It looks like if your University selected GlobalGreenLightning you really don't have a choice as to which AP vendor you can use. http://www.globalgreenlighting.com/technology http://www.globalgreenlighting.com/technology To do this, we have merged cutting-edge, low-energy lighting with an industry-leading wireless control system” So the Ruckus AP is actually a requirement. Am I reading this wrong? Philippe Philippe Hanset www.eduroam.us On May 12, 2015, at 1:54 PM, Howard, Christopher christopher-how...@utc.edu wrote: They are based out of Chattanooga so of course we have had discussions with them. We decided against APs in lights for a number of reasons. 1. We are an Aruba shop. We want a seamless roaming experience for our users and feel that multiple vendor networks would hinder that. We also have 1 wireless admin for the entire campus and don't have the manpower to manage a separate wireless network. 2. They wanted to put security cameras on the lights as well. Since we use separate vlans for cameras and APs, we would need a switch. However, the only switch they would put in the light was unmanageable. 3. They didn't want to run cable from the lights back to our network and instead wanted to use EPB (our local ISP) fiber to just give them an IP on the internet and we could just open our firewall to let them in. Needless to say, our lights are strictly for lighting. Christopher Howard Senior Network Engineer University of Tennessee at Chattanooga Helping Students Achieve Excellence through Technology christopher-how...@utc.edu mailto:christopher-how...@utc.edu 423-425-1773 From: Watters, John john.watt...@ua.edu mailto:john.watt...@ua.edu Reply-To: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Date: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 at 12:53 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] FW: [WIRELESS-LAN] Outdoor APs I do have a number of Cisco 1142 APs that I could play with. I don't even see how any AP can be mounted in the glass globe. Surely they are not just set inside leaning against the inside of the globe. Does anyone use exterior lighting by GlobalGreenLighting with wireless APs in each device? -jcw image002.jpg John Watters The University of Alabama Office of Information Technology 205-348-3992 From: Philippe Hanset [mailto:phan...@anyroam.net mailto:phan...@anyroam.net] Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 11:43 AM To: Watters, John Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Outdoor APs John, When I was at UTK we installed APs outdoor in PVC electrical boxes in the sun and they “survived” the elements for at least 4 years. We felt comfortable doing this because we used recycled APs or “cheap APs” that would have not wasted State funds had it failed miserably. At least request from the assistant CIO to stress test a unit before going in production. Don’t you have older 802.11n Cisco APs that you could use for a sample configuration? Philippe Philippe Hanset www.anyroam.net http://www.anyroam.net/ On May 12, 2015, at 12:29 PM, Lee H Badman lhbad...@syr.edu mailto:lhbad...@syr.edu wrote: I guess that would be my first concern- why mixing systems? Are the Ruckus just supposed to be workgroup bridges in this case or actual client serving APs? I'm guessing anything could be cobbed together, but this sounds wonky. Also, heat has to be a concern in the light globe, no? Lee H. Badman Network Architect/Wireless TME ITS, Syracuse University 315.443.3003 From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU on behalf of Watters, John john.watt...@ua.edu mailto:john.watt...@ua.edu Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 12:23 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Outdoor APs No. We are a Cisco shop. -jcw image004.jpg John Watters The University of Alabama Office of Information Technology 205-348-3992 From: The EDUCAUSE
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On May 12, 2015, at 2:26 PM, Philippe Hanset phan...@anyroam.net wrote: John, It looks like if your University selected GlobalGreenLightning you really don't have a choice as to which AP vendor you can use. http://www.globalgreenlighting.com/technology http://www.globalgreenlighting.com/technology To do this, we have merged cutting-edge, low-energy lighting with an industry-leading wireless control system” So the Ruckus AP is actually a requirement. Am I reading this wrong? Philippe, Where on the page you linked is Ruckus even mentioned? I read that page as talking about the lighting control system which it says runs on a licensed band using technology licensed from Sensus. Probably some lower frequency non-wifi stuff. I don’t see Ruckus mentioned on that page unless I’m missing something. Jason Watts | Senior Network Administrator PRATT INSTITUTE Philippe Philippe Hanset www.eduroam.us http://www.eduroam.us/ On May 12, 2015, at 1:54 PM, Howard, Christopher christopher-how...@utc.edu mailto:christopher-how...@utc.edu wrote: They are based out of Chattanooga so of course we have had discussions with them. We decided against APs in lights for a number of reasons. 1. We are an Aruba shop. We want a seamless roaming experience for our users and feel that multiple vendor networks would hinder that. We also have 1 wireless admin for the entire campus and don't have the manpower to manage a separate wireless network. 2. They wanted to put security cameras on the lights as well. Since we use separate vlans for cameras and APs, we would need a switch. However, the only switch they would put in the light was unmanageable. 3. They didn't want to run cable from the lights back to our network and instead wanted to use EPB (our local ISP) fiber to just give them an IP on the internet and we could just open our firewall to let them in. Needless to say, our lights are strictly for lighting. Christopher Howard Senior Network Engineer University of Tennessee at Chattanooga Helping Students Achieve Excellence through Technology christopher-how...@utc.edu mailto:christopher-how...@utc.edu 423-425-1773 From: Watters, John john.watt...@ua.edu mailto:john.watt...@ua.edu Reply-To: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Date: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 at 12:53 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] FW: [WIRELESS-LAN] Outdoor APs I do have a number of Cisco 1142 APs that I could play with. I don't even see how any AP can be mounted in the glass globe. Surely they are not just set inside leaning against the inside of the globe. Does anyone use exterior lighting by GlobalGreenLighting with wireless APs in each device? -jcw image002.jpg John Watters The University of Alabama Office of Information Technology 205-348-3992 From: Philippe Hanset [mailto:phan...@anyroam.net mailto:phan...@anyroam.net] Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 11:43 AM To: Watters, John Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Outdoor APs John, When I was at UTK we installed APs outdoor in PVC electrical boxes in the sun and they “survived” the elements for at least 4 years. We felt comfortable doing this because we used recycled APs or “cheap APs” that would have not wasted State funds had it failed miserably. At least request from the assistant CIO to stress test a unit before going in production. Don’t you have older 802.11n Cisco APs that you could use for a sample configuration? Philippe Philippe Hanset www.anyroam.net http://www.anyroam.net/ On May 12, 2015, at 12:29 PM, Lee H Badman lhbad...@syr.edu mailto:lhbad...@syr.edu wrote: I guess that would be my first concern- why mixing systems? Are the Ruckus just supposed to be workgroup bridges in this case or actual client serving APs? I'm guessing anything could be cobbed together, but this sounds wonky. Also, heat has to be a concern in the light globe, no? Lee H. Badman Network Architect/Wireless TME ITS, Syracuse University 315.443.3003 From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU on behalf of Watters, John john.watt...@ua.edu mailto:john.watt...@ua.edu Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 12:23 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU mailto:WIRELESS-LAN
FW: [WIRELESS-LAN] FW: [WIRELESS-LAN] Outdoor APs
And now I am confused too. My impression from my Asst CIO was that the wireless was to server clients. But the literature talks about WiFi control of the lights. Maybe my Asst CIO heard what he wanted to hear. I have a request in to the company for a call back. Will let the list know what I find out. I am aware of the Cisco offerings. The major objection seems to be the aesthetics. Thanks for the help and interest in this project. -jcw [UA Logo] John Watters The University of Alabama Office of Information Technology 205-348-3992 From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Philippe Hanset Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 1:59 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] FW: [WIRELESS-LAN] Outdoor APs The documentation from the website mentions SENSUS USA, FCC-Licensed spectrum At the same time, John Watters is being asked to investigate Ruckus APs Zoneflex T300 (mentioned in his original email) to be installed in LED lights. In a second email from John the brand GlobalGreenLightning is being mentioned. So the sentence “industry leading wireless control system” made me mix Ruckus and SENSUS USA. But now I’m curious… is the whole lightning system wirelessly controlled by SENSUS USA and in addition there is room to add Wi-Fi? (Does it have to be Ruckus?) Chris Howard, since you are in Chattanooga and so is GGL (and I’m at least 100 miles away from you in Knoxville), could you tell us more? Sorry about this mess, Philippe Philippe Hanset www.eduroam.ushttp://www.eduroam.us On May 12, 2015, at 2:42 PM, Jason Watts jwa...@pratt.edumailto:jwa...@pratt.edu wrote: On May 12, 2015, at 2:26 PM, Philippe Hanset phan...@anyroam.netmailto:phan...@anyroam.net wrote: John, It looks like if your University selected GlobalGreenLightning you really don't have a choice as to which AP vendor you can use. http://www.globalgreenlighting.com/technology To do this, we have merged cutting-edge, low-energy lighting with an industry-leading wireless control system” So the Ruckus AP is actually a requirement. Am I reading this wrong? Philippe, Where on the page you linked is Ruckus even mentioned? I read that page as talking about the lighting control system which it says runs on a licensed band using technology licensed from Sensus. Probably some lower frequency non-wifi stuff. I don’t see Ruckus mentioned on that page unless I’m missing something. Jason Watts | Senior Network Administrator PRATT INSTITUTE Philippe Philippe Hanset www.eduroam.ushttp://www.eduroam.us/ On May 12, 2015, at 1:54 PM, Howard, Christopher christopher-how...@utc.edumailto:christopher-how...@utc.edu wrote: They are based out of Chattanooga so of course we have had discussions with them. We decided against APs in lights for a number of reasons. 1. We are an Aruba shop. We want a seamless roaming experience for our users and feel that multiple vendor networks would hinder that. We also have 1 wireless admin for the entire campus and don't have the manpower to manage a separate wireless network. 2. They wanted to put security cameras on the lights as well. Since we use separate vlans for cameras and APs, we would need a switch. However, the only switch they would put in the light was unmanageable. 3. They didn't want to run cable from the lights back to our network and instead wanted to use EPB (our local ISP) fiber to just give them an IP on the internet and we could just open our firewall to let them in. Needless to say, our lights are strictly for lighting. Christopher Howard Senior Network Engineer University of Tennessee at Chattanooga Helping Students Achieve Excellence through Technology christopher-how...@utc.edumailto:christopher-how...@utc.edu 423-425-1773 From: Watters, John john.watt...@ua.edumailto:john.watt...@ua.edu Reply-To: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Date: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 at 12:53 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] FW: [WIRELESS-LAN] Outdoor APs I do have a number of Cisco 1142 APs that I could play with. I don't even see how any AP can be mounted in the glass globe. Surely they are not just set inside leaning against the inside of the globe. Does anyone use exterior lighting by GlobalGreenLighting with wireless APs in each device? -jcw image002.jpg John Watters The University of Alabama
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The lights are controlled through the SENSUS stuff. (I was unaware of the name until now.) They have the ability to turn off and on lights from a web browser just by selecting the lights from a map. That control is over the low-frequency radio. I think they only have one in town here, maybe two. The people doing the web browser control have to be on the internet somewhere. The 802.11 AP part is for servicing clients. They sell it as easy to install and visibly attractive wifi. If we had gone that route, it would be wifi access only for UTC users and guests and would be completely separate from anything GGL managed. Christopher Howard Senior Network Engineer University of Tennessee at Chattanooga Helping Students Achieve Excellence through Technology christopher-how...@utc.edu 423-425-1773 From: Philippe Hanset phan...@anyroam.netmailto:phan...@anyroam.net Reply-To: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Date: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 at 2:59 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] FW: [WIRELESS-LAN] Outdoor APs The documentation from the website mentions SENSUS USA, FCC-Licensed spectrum At the same time, John Watters is being asked to investigate Ruckus APs Zoneflex T300 (mentioned in his original email) to be installed in LED lights. In a second email from John the brand GlobalGreenLightning is being mentioned. So the sentence “industry leading wireless control system” made me mix Ruckus and SENSUS USA. But now I’m curious… is the whole lightning system wirelessly controlled by SENSUS USA and in addition there is room to add Wi-Fi? (Does it have to be Ruckus?) Chris Howard, since you are in Chattanooga and so is GGL (and I’m at least 100 miles away from you in Knoxville), could you tell us more? Sorry about this mess, Philippe Philippe Hanset www.eduroam.ushttp://www.eduroam.us On May 12, 2015, at 2:42 PM, Jason Watts jwa...@pratt.edumailto:jwa...@pratt.edu wrote: On May 12, 2015, at 2:26 PM, Philippe Hanset phan...@anyroam.netmailto:phan...@anyroam.net wrote: John, It looks like if your University selected GlobalGreenLightning you really don't have a choice as to which AP vendor you can use. http://www.globalgreenlighting.com/technology To do this, we have merged cutting-edge, low-energy lighting with an industry-leading wireless control system” So the Ruckus AP is actually a requirement. Am I reading this wrong? Philippe, Where on the page you linked is Ruckus even mentioned? I read that page as talking about the lighting control system which it says runs on a licensed band using technology licensed from Sensus. Probably some lower frequency non-wifi stuff. I don’t see Ruckus mentioned on that page unless I’m missing something. Jason Watts | Senior Network Administrator PRATT INSTITUTE Philippe Philippe Hanset www.eduroam.ushttp://www.eduroam.us/ On May 12, 2015, at 1:54 PM, Howard, Christopher christopher-how...@utc.edumailto:christopher-how...@utc.edu wrote: They are based out of Chattanooga so of course we have had discussions with them. We decided against APs in lights for a number of reasons. 1. We are an Aruba shop. We want a seamless roaming experience for our users and feel that multiple vendor networks would hinder that. We also have 1 wireless admin for the entire campus and don't have the manpower to manage a separate wireless network. 2. They wanted to put security cameras on the lights as well. Since we use separate vlans for cameras and APs, we would need a switch. However, the only switch they would put in the light was unmanageable. 3. They didn't want to run cable from the lights back to our network and instead wanted to use EPB (our local ISP) fiber to just give them an IP on the internet and we could just open our firewall to let them in. Needless to say, our lights are strictly for lighting. Christopher Howard Senior Network Engineer University of Tennessee at Chattanooga Helping Students Achieve Excellence through Technology christopher-how...@utc.edumailto:christopher-how...@utc.edu 423-425-1773 From: Watters, John john.watt...@ua.edumailto:john.watt...@ua.edu Reply-To: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Date: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 at 12:53 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] FW: [WIRELESS-LAN] Outdoor APs I do have a number of Cisco 1142 APs that I could play with. I don't even see how any AP can be mounted in the glass globe. Surely they are not just set inside leaning against the inside of the globe. Does anyone
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I didn't read that site literature as meaning WiFi control of the lights. It says wireless control and specifically mentions licensed spectrum which WiFi is not. I think they are completely separate but possibly complimentary features or options for the lights. The wireless control system is likely just that, low frequency lighting control possibly with a mesh network to actively control the lights. The WiFi element is likely an add-on because of the fact that lights are usually evenly dispersed and provide a good overhead vantage point. There is also a good chance that most lights will get conduit from an adjacent building so that would provide a path back to the network. It seems like unless the lighting company or contractor selling it is beholden to Ruckus that the WiFi equipment vendor could be interchangeable as long as it fits and the environmentals are taken care of. -- Jason Watts Pratt Institute, Academic Computing Sent from my iPhone On May 12, 2015, at 3:36 PM, Watters, John john.watt...@ua.edu wrote: And now I am confused too. My impression from my Asst CIO was that the wireless was to server clients. But the literature talks about WiFi control of the lights. Maybe my Asst CIO heard what he wanted to hear. I have a request in to the company for a call back. Will let the list know what I find out. I am aware of the Cisco offerings. The major objection seems to be the aesthetics. Thanks for the help and interest in this project. -jcw image003.jpg John Watters The University of Alabama Office of Information Technology 205-348-3992 From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Philippe Hanset Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 1:59 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] FW: [WIRELESS-LAN] Outdoor APs The documentation from the website mentions SENSUS USA, FCC-Licensed spectrum At the same time, John Watters is being asked to investigate Ruckus APs Zoneflex T300 (mentioned in his original email) to be installed in LED lights. In a second email from John the brand GlobalGreenLightning is being mentioned. So the sentence “industry leading wireless control system” made me mix Ruckus and SENSUS USA. But now I’m curious… is the whole lightning system wirelessly controlled by SENSUS USA and in addition there is room to add Wi-Fi? (Does it have to be Ruckus?) Chris Howard, since you are in Chattanooga and so is GGL (and I’m at least 100 miles away from you in Knoxville), could you tell us more? Sorry about this mess, Philippe Philippe Hanset www.eduroam.us On May 12, 2015, at 2:42 PM, Jason Watts jwa...@pratt.edu wrote: On May 12, 2015, at 2:26 PM, Philippe Hanset phan...@anyroam.net wrote: John, It looks like if your University selected GlobalGreenLightning you really don't have a choice as to which AP vendor you can use. http://www.globalgreenlighting.com/technology To do this, we have merged cutting-edge, low-energy lighting with an industry-leading wireless control system” So the Ruckus AP is actually a requirement. Am I reading this wrong? Philippe, Where on the page you linked is Ruckus even mentioned? I read that page as talking about the lighting control system which it says runs on a licensed band using technology licensed from Sensus. Probably some lower frequency non-wifi stuff. I don’t see Ruckus mentioned on that page unless I’m missing something. Jason Watts | Senior Network Administrator PRATT INSTITUTE Philippe Philippe Hanset www.eduroam.us On May 12, 2015, at 1:54 PM, Howard, Christopher christopher-how...@utc.edu wrote: They are based out of Chattanooga so of course we have had discussions with them. We decided against APs in lights for a number of reasons. 1. We are an Aruba shop. We want a seamless roaming experience for our users and feel that multiple vendor networks would hinder that. We also have 1 wireless admin for the entire campus and don't have the manpower to manage a separate wireless network. 2. They wanted to put security cameras on the lights as well. Since we use separate vlans for cameras and APs, we would need a switch. However, the only switch they would put in the light was unmanageable. 3. They didn't want to run cable from the lights back to our network and instead wanted to use EPB (our local ISP) fiber to just give them an IP on the internet and we could just open our firewall to let them in. Needless to say, our
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The documentation from the website mentions SENSUS USA, FCC-Licensed spectrum At the same time, John Watters is being asked to investigate Ruckus APs Zoneflex T300 (mentioned in his original email) to be installed in LED lights. In a second email from John the brand GlobalGreenLightning is being mentioned. So the sentence “industry leading wireless control system” made me mix Ruckus and SENSUS USA. But now I’m curious… is the whole lightning system wirelessly controlled by SENSUS USA and in addition there is room to add Wi-Fi? (Does it have to be Ruckus?) Chris Howard, since you are in Chattanooga and so is GGL (and I’m at least 100 miles away from you in Knoxville), could you tell us more? Sorry about this mess, Philippe Philippe Hanset www.eduroam.us On May 12, 2015, at 2:42 PM, Jason Watts jwa...@pratt.edu wrote: On May 12, 2015, at 2:26 PM, Philippe Hanset phan...@anyroam.net mailto:phan...@anyroam.net wrote: John, It looks like if your University selected GlobalGreenLightning you really don't have a choice as to which AP vendor you can use. http://www.globalgreenlighting.com/technology http://www.globalgreenlighting.com/technology To do this, we have merged cutting-edge, low-energy lighting with an industry-leading wireless control system” So the Ruckus AP is actually a requirement. Am I reading this wrong? Philippe, Where on the page you linked is Ruckus even mentioned? I read that page as talking about the lighting control system which it says runs on a licensed band using technology licensed from Sensus. Probably some lower frequency non-wifi stuff. I don’t see Ruckus mentioned on that page unless I’m missing something. Jason Watts | Senior Network Administrator PRATT INSTITUTE Philippe Philippe Hanset www.eduroam.us http://www.eduroam.us/ On May 12, 2015, at 1:54 PM, Howard, Christopher christopher-how...@utc.edu mailto:christopher-how...@utc.edu wrote: They are based out of Chattanooga so of course we have had discussions with them. We decided against APs in lights for a number of reasons. 1. We are an Aruba shop. We want a seamless roaming experience for our users and feel that multiple vendor networks would hinder that. We also have 1 wireless admin for the entire campus and don't have the manpower to manage a separate wireless network. 2. They wanted to put security cameras on the lights as well. Since we use separate vlans for cameras and APs, we would need a switch. However, the only switch they would put in the light was unmanageable. 3. They didn't want to run cable from the lights back to our network and instead wanted to use EPB (our local ISP) fiber to just give them an IP on the internet and we could just open our firewall to let them in. Needless to say, our lights are strictly for lighting. Christopher Howard Senior Network Engineer University of Tennessee at Chattanooga Helping Students Achieve Excellence through Technology christopher-how...@utc.edu mailto:christopher-how...@utc.edu 423-425-1773 From: Watters, John john.watt...@ua.edu mailto:john.watt...@ua.edu Reply-To: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Date: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 at 12:53 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] FW: [WIRELESS-LAN] Outdoor APs I do have a number of Cisco 1142 APs that I could play with. I don't even see how any AP can be mounted in the glass globe. Surely they are not just set inside leaning against the inside of the globe. Does anyone use exterior lighting by GlobalGreenLighting with wireless APs in each device? -jcw image002.jpg John Watters The University of Alabama Office of Information Technology 205-348-3992 From: Philippe Hanset [mailto:phan...@anyroam.net mailto:phan...@anyroam.net] Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 11:43 AM To: Watters, John Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Outdoor APs John, When I was at UTK we installed APs outdoor in PVC electrical boxes in the sun and they “survived” the elements for at least 4 years. We felt comfortable doing this because we used recycled APs or “cheap APs” that would have not wasted State funds had it failed miserably. At least request from the assistant CIO to stress test a unit before going in production. Don’t you have older 802.11n Cisco APs that you could use for a sample configuration
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Interesting- so who manages this- you, or Physical Plant? Or is it a turn-key vendor thing (sounds like maybe it is), and if that's the case, the mounting should be their problem. But... this is still a potential interference nightmare depending on how close to your WLAN these poles are (I know you already know). From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU on behalf of Watters, John john.watt...@ua.edu Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 3:54 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] FW: [WIRELESS-LAN] Outdoor APs The full text of their technology statement is: At Global Green Lighting our goal is to produce the most advanced, sustainable lighting systems in the world. To do this, we have merged cutting-edge, low-energy lighting with an industry-leading wireless control system. The result is changing the way that cities light and secure their communities The proprietary lighting control system utilized by GGL and licensed from Sensus USA uses an FCC-licensed, private spectrum radio signal to communicate with every GGL-installed light within a 35 mile radius. Each individual light is equipped with a two-way radio, which broadcasts in constant point-to-multipoint communication with a central transmitter controlled by a Homeland Security-approved software system. From either a centralized command center or a mobile control station in a police cruiser, each light can be turned off in an instant, dimmed to an appropriate level (on its own or in concert with surrounding lights), or even flashed on and off to indicate an emergency or to prevent a crime. The system uses the nation's first low-energy lighting (LED and Induction) with a utility certified meter from Sensus USA for every light. The lighting control system is able to monitor and manage individual lights while measuring and reporting each light's energy use. This enables the management of the lights to reduce energy usage and costs while maintaining superior performance. This smart technology offered by GGL provides energy savings for safer, more sustainable communities. They do not mention client access, only control functions. -jcw [UA Logo] John Watters The University of Alabama Office of Information Technology 205-348-3992 From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Howard, Christopher Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 2:50 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] FW: [WIRELESS-LAN] Outdoor APs The lights are controlled through the SENSUS stuff. (I was unaware of the name until now.) They have the ability to turn off and on lights from a web browser just by selecting the lights from a map. That control is over the low-frequency radio. I think they only have one in town here, maybe two. The people doing the web browser control have to be on the internet somewhere. The 802.11 AP part is for servicing clients. They sell it as easy to install and visibly attractive wifi. If we had gone that route, it would be wifi access only for UTC users and guests and would be completely separate from anything GGL managed. Christopher Howard Senior Network Engineer University of Tennessee at Chattanooga Helping Students Achieve Excellence through Technology christopher-how...@utc.edumailto:christopher-how...@utc.edu 423-425-1773 From: Philippe Hanset phan...@anyroam.netmailto:phan...@anyroam.net Reply-To: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Date: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 at 2:59 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] FW: [WIRELESS-LAN] Outdoor APs The documentation from the website mentions SENSUS USA, FCC-Licensed spectrum At the same time, John Watters is being asked to investigate Ruckus APs Zoneflex T300 (mentioned in his original email) to be installed in LED lights. In a second email from John the brand GlobalGreenLightning is being mentioned. So the sentence “industry leading wireless control system” made me mix Ruckus and SENSUS USA. But now I’m curious… is the whole lightning system wirelessly controlled by SENSUS USA and in addition there is room to add Wi-Fi? (Does it have to be Ruckus?) Chris Howard, since you are in Chattanooga and so is GGL (and I’m at least 100 miles away from you in Knoxville), could you tell us more? Sorry about this mess, Philippe Philippe Hanset www.eduroam.ushttp://www.eduroam.us/ On May 12, 2015, at 2:42 PM
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It will certainly be an interference problem since it is interspersed between all buildings on campus. It does WiFi as well as all networking on campus. We do not touch light bulbs. The reverse is true of the grounds department. So, this is another problem with this installation. So far I haven't found anything good about it, but still looking. A search for info on GlobalGreenLighting has turned up a bunch of bad press (after the initial good press). One article claims to have a big contract with us (I don't know if that's true or not yet). I can't tell that this company has any installed units other than a small demo in Chattanooga. -jcw [UA Logo] John Watters The University of Alabama Office of Information Technology 205-348-3992 From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Lee H Badman Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 3:57 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] FW: [WIRELESS-LAN] Outdoor APs Interesting- so who manages this- you, or Physical Plant? Or is it a turn-key vendor thing (sounds like maybe it is), and if that's the case, the mounting should be their problem. But... this is still a potential interference nightmare depending on how close to your WLAN these poles are (I know you already know). From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU on behalf of Watters, John john.watt...@ua.edumailto:john.watt...@ua.edu Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 3:54 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] FW: [WIRELESS-LAN] Outdoor APs The full text of their technology statement is: At Global Green Lighting our goal is to produce the most advanced, sustainable lighting systems in the world. To do this, we have merged cutting-edge, low-energy lighting with an industry-leading wireless control system. The result is changing the way that cities light and secure their communities The proprietary lighting control system utilized by GGL and licensed from Sensus USA uses an FCC-licensed, private spectrum radio signal to communicate with every GGL-installed light within a 35 mile radius. Each individual light is equipped with a two-way radio, which broadcasts in constant point-to-multipoint communication with a central transmitter controlled by a Homeland Security-approved software system. From either a centralized command center or a mobile control station in a police cruiser, each light can be turned off in an instant, dimmed to an appropriate level (on its own or in concert with surrounding lights), or even flashed on and off to indicate an emergency or to prevent a crime. The system uses the nation's first low-energy lighting (LED and Induction) with a utility certified meter from Sensus USA for every light. The lighting control system is able to monitor and manage individual lights while measuring and reporting each light's energy use. This enables the management of the lights to reduce energy usage and costs while maintaining superior performance. This smart technology offered by GGL provides energy savings for safer, more sustainable communities. They do not mention client access, only control functions. -jcw [UA Logo] John Watters The University of Alabama Office of Information Technology 205-348-3992 From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Howard, Christopher Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 2:50 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] FW: [WIRELESS-LAN] Outdoor APs The lights are controlled through the SENSUS stuff. (I was unaware of the name until now.) They have the ability to turn off and on lights from a web browser just by selecting the lights from a map. That control is over the low-frequency radio. I think they only have one in town here, maybe two. The people doing the web browser control have to be on the internet somewhere. The 802.11 AP part is for servicing clients. They sell it as easy to install and visibly attractive wifi. If we had gone that route, it would be wifi access only for UTC users and guests and would be completely separate from anything GGL managed. Christopher Howard Senior Network Engineer University of Tennessee at Chattanooga Helping Students Achieve Excellence
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That being said,seems silly to not extend the campus wireless network rather than shoehorn yet another hardware set. Is short sighted of the lighting vendor to require that. Lee H. Badman Network Architect/Wireless TME ITS, Syracuse University 315.443.3003 From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] on behalf of Howard, Christopher [christopher-how...@utc.edu] Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 3:49 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] FW: [WIRELESS-LAN] Outdoor APs The lights are controlled through the SENSUS stuff. (I was unaware of the name until now.) They have the ability to turn off and on lights from a web browser just by selecting the lights from a map. That control is over the low-frequency radio. I think they only have one in town here, maybe two. The people doing the web browser control have to be on the internet somewhere. The 802.11 AP part is for servicing clients. They sell it as easy to install and visibly attractive wifi. If we had gone that route, it would be wifi access only for UTC users and guests and would be completely separate from anything GGL managed. Christopher Howard Senior Network Engineer University of Tennessee at Chattanooga Helping Students Achieve Excellence through Technology christopher-how...@utc.edu 423-425-1773 From: Philippe Hanset phan...@anyroam.netmailto:phan...@anyroam.net Reply-To: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Date: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 at 2:59 PM To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDUmailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] FW: [WIRELESS-LAN] Outdoor APs The documentation from the website mentions SENSUS USA, FCC-Licensed spectrum At the same time, John Watters is being asked to investigate Ruckus APs Zoneflex T300 (mentioned in his original email) to be installed in LED lights. In a second email from John the brand GlobalGreenLightning is being mentioned. So the sentence “industry leading wireless control system” made me mix Ruckus and SENSUS USA. But now I’m curious… is the whole lightning system wirelessly controlled by SENSUS USA and in addition there is room to add Wi-Fi? (Does it have to be Ruckus?) Chris Howard, since you are in Chattanooga and so is GGL (and I’m at least 100 miles away from you in Knoxville), could you tell us more? Sorry about this mess, Philippe Philippe Hanset www.eduroam.ushttp://www.eduroam.us On May 12, 2015, at 2:42 PM, Jason Watts jwa...@pratt.edumailto:jwa...@pratt.edu wrote: On May 12, 2015, at 2:26 PM, Philippe Hanset phan...@anyroam.netmailto:phan...@anyroam.net wrote: John, It looks like if your University selected GlobalGreenLightning you really don't have a choice as to which AP vendor you can use. http://www.globalgreenlighting.com/technology To do this, we have merged cutting-edge, low-energy lighting with an industry-leading wireless control system” So the Ruckus AP is actually a requirement. Am I reading this wrong? Philippe, Where on the page you linked is Ruckus even mentioned? I read that page as talking about the lighting control system which it says runs on a licensed band using technology licensed from Sensus. Probably some lower frequency non-wifi stuff. I don’t see Ruckus mentioned on that page unless I’m missing something. Jason Watts | Senior Network Administrator PRATT INSTITUTE Philippe Philippe Hanset www.eduroam.ushttp://www.eduroam.us/ On May 12, 2015, at 1:54 PM, Howard, Christopher christopher-how...@utc.edumailto:christopher-how...@utc.edu wrote: They are based out of Chattanooga so of course we have had discussions with them. We decided against APs in lights for a number of reasons. 1. We are an Aruba shop. We want a seamless roaming experience for our users and feel that multiple vendor networks would hinder that. We also have 1 wireless admin for the entire campus and don't have the manpower to manage a separate wireless network. 2. They wanted to put security cameras on the lights as well. Since we use separate vlans for cameras and APs, we would need a switch. However, the only switch they would put in the light was unmanageable. 3. They didn't want to run cable from the lights back to our network and instead wanted to use EPB (our local ISP) fiber to just give them an IP on the internet and we could just open our firewall to let them in. Needless to say, our lights are strictly for lighting. Christopher Howard Senior Network Engineer University of Tennessee at Chattanooga Helping Students Achieve Excellence through Technology christopher-how...@utc.edumailto:christopher-how...@utc.edu 423-425-1773 From: Watters, John john.watt...@ua.edumailto:john.watt...@ua.edu Reply
