RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Only in Student Housing?

[Brian Helman]

As we’re dealing with the damaged jacks/faceplates that were missed over the 
summer, or the confusion as to which port to use when we tell residence hall 
students to use the ethernet, I’m starting to think wireless-only has some 
merit.

-Brian

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
 On Behalf Of Michael Cole
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 1:34 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Only in Student Housing?

 We’re in the middle of rewiring our entire campus and building out new 
data closets, upgrading fiber and switching. In our ResHalls we moved to an 
hotel model type wireless access point, one per room that has a couple of wired 
connections on the bottom of it to plug devices into.  In rewiring we’ve pulled 
to new cables into each room for the wireless.  We’ve been through an AP 
upgrade in some of the buildings already and it’s working out well.  We started 
out with the Aruba 103h, and a few years ago moved up to the 205H, and I 
suspect in a couple of more years we’ll move to the 3xx series.  It’s been a 
nice solution for us between providing wired and wireless at a reasonable cost, 
and has been rock solid performance/maintenance wise.


From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> 
On Behalf Of Brian Helman
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 11:54 AM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Only in Student Housing?

We don’t support gaming on the wireless network.  It’s just too much of a 
headache right now .. between .1x, 11n in some res halls, 11ac in others, 
2.4GHz/5GHz, latency/disconnects/interference/signal strength/etc, 
multi-vendor, yada yada.  If we get to a point where we are single-vendor with 
solid 5GHz coverage everywhere, we’ll reconsider.  It’s tough to have the same 
student have different experiences with WiFi year to year as they move to 
different res halls.

-Brian

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> 
On Behalf Of Enfield, Chuck
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2018 9:38 AM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Only in Student Housing?

Thanks Jacob.  That’s exactly the kind of info I was hoping for.

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> 
On Behalf Of Barros, Jacob
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2018 8:37 AM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Only in Student Housing?

We are still providing wired connections as desired.  I believe 8% is our trend 
through the years but my impression from the first two weeks of school is that 
number is climbing.  Physical connections are free and we offer an ethernet 
cable for free as well.   The beginning of our on ground undergrad semester is 
busy with connections, but very little maintenance afterward.  Gamers consider 
it a value and it costs us very little.  We've built two new dorms in the last 
five years and did pull cables to rooms in anticipation of having a full 
hospitality to room deployment in the future.




Jacob Barros

Associate Director of IT, Network and Operations

Email: jkbar...@grace.edu<mailto:jkbar...@grace.edu>

Phone: 574.372.5100 ext. 6178

[https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/UL13vM331_cldE--6pe0tmF8xi10XejwQWh_iIo3_WnKqa3GNTj7qfC8zMm-AathAnMQoUG1LNv5GzD35OyxQ_x_V2RG30D4r5ucKFdYJkE1-Z-d98UW1NPWapbWxgOAi68e0c7q]


On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 2:51 PM, Enfield, Chuck 
mailto:cae...@psu.edu>> wrote:
I don’t want to hijack Dan’s thread, but I wouldn’t mind adding to it if he 
doesn’t mind.

I know from previous threads that lots of schools have gone Wi-Fi-only, and 
issues are minimal.  But, as an institution that has both wired and wireless 
enabled throughout the residence halls, about 15% of our residents still plug 
in.  It was easy for us to do both because we were really late to provide 
Wi-Fi, so our legacy wired network is still serviceable.  At some point in the 
next couple years we’ll have to decide whether or not to replace it.  That 
requires an assessment of the value proposition.  15% use seems to suggest that 
there’s still significant value in providing wired connectivity, but I’m not 
sure it satisfactorily answers the question.  It’s safe to assume that some 
users really want that wired connection for good reasons, and other users who 
prefer a wired connection if it’s available, but really wouldn’t miss it if it 
wasn’t.  It’s to determine how many each make up that 15%.

I’m curious to hear from institutions that provide wired connections upon 
request.  If you do that, how many get requested?  Is it free, or is there a 
charge?  If a charge, how much?  …

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Only in Student Housing?

[Adam Forsyth]

This is a picture of a 303h mounted in a room in our library that I
happened to have handy,  This one is mounted to a receptacle box that is
surface mounted with wiremold running to it.  Our installations of
hospitality access points vary depending on the situation.  Many are like
this.  Some locations have receptacle boxes in the wall.  That's ideal
because it makes the AP stick out from the wall less.

On Mon, Sep 3, 2018 at 10:07 AM Daniel Wurst  wrote:

> All,
>
> Thank you for the great feedback in this thread. This has been a great
> discussion very helpful for us.
>
> For those of you who have mentioned going with the hotel model model APs.
> Can you explain or show what the physical installation ends up looking
> like? We are considering this approach. We are an Aruba shop.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Dan
>
> On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 1:33 PM Michael Cole  wrote:
>
>>  We’re in the middle of rewiring our entire campus and building out
>> new data closets, upgrading fiber and switching. In our ResHalls we moved
>> to an hotel model type wireless access point, one per room that has a
>> couple of wired connections on the bottom of it to plug devices into.  In
>> rewiring we’ve pulled to new cables into each room for the wireless.  We’ve
>> been through an AP upgrade in some of the buildings already and it’s
>> working out well.  We started out with the Aruba 103h, and a few years ago
>> moved up to the 205H, and I suspect in a couple of more years we’ll move to
>> the 3xx series.  It’s been a nice solution for us between providing wired
>> and wireless at a reasonable cost, and has been rock solid
>> performance/maintenance wise.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv <
>> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> *On Behalf Of *Brian Helman
>> *Sent:* Friday, August 31, 2018 11:54 AM
>>
>>
>> *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
>> *Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Only in Student Housing?
>>
>>
>>
>> We don’t support gaming on the wireless network.  It’s just too much of a
>> headache right now .. between .1x, 11n in some res halls, 11ac in others,
>> 2.4GHz/5GHz, latency/disconnects/interference/signal strength/etc,
>> multi-vendor, yada yada.  If we get to a point where we are single-vendor
>> with solid 5GHz coverage everywhere, we’ll reconsider.  It’s tough to have
>> the same student have different experiences with WiFi year to year as they
>> move to different res halls.
>>
>>
>>
>> -Brian
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv <
>> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> *On Behalf Of *Enfield, Chuck
>> *Sent:* Monday, August 27, 2018 9:38 AM
>> *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
>> *Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Only in Student Housing?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks Jacob.  That’s exactly the kind of info I was hoping for.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv <
>> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> *On Behalf Of *Barros, Jacob
>> *Sent:* Monday, August 27, 2018 8:37 AM
>> *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
>> *Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Only in Student Housing?
>>
>>
>>
>> We are still providing wired connections as desired.  I believe 8% is our
>> trend through the years but my impression from the first two weeks of
>> school is that number is climbing.  Physical connections are free and we
>> offer an ethernet cable for free as well.   The beginning of our on ground
>> undergrad semester is busy with connections, but very little maintenance
>> afterward.  Gamers consider it a value and it costs us very little.  We've
>> built two new dorms in the last five years and did pull cables to rooms in
>> anticipation of having a full hospitality to room deployment in the
>> future.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Jacob Barros*
>>
>> *Associate Director of IT, Network and Operations*
>>
>> *Email:** jkbar...@grace.edu  *
>>
>> *Phone:** 574.372.5100 ext. 6178 <(574)%20372-5100>*
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 2:51 PM, Enfield, Chuck  wrote:
>>
>> I don’t want to hijack Dan’s thread, but I wouldn’t mind adding to it if
>> he doesn’t mind.
>>
>>
>>
>> I know from previous threads that lots of schools have gone Wi-Fi-only,
>> and issues are minimal.  But, as an institution that has both wired and
>> wireless enabled throughout the residence h

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Only in Student Housing?

[Tony Skalski]

We just finished rewiring a res hall with about 200 AP-303Hs. Due to the
challenges with the building, this was a job we did internally. When
pulling Cat 5 we left an extra 5 feet of cable in the box. Every other room
received a 303H. Those that didn't had the cable terminated at a jack. (The
extra cable here will allow us to add APs in these rooms in the future.)
In rooms that received an AP, we used 400 wiremold to run up the wall to a
shallow surfacemount box (getting the AP at about eye level). We terminated
the Cat 5 with an RJ45 and plugged it directly into the AP, which was
mounted to the box.

ajs

On Mon, Sep 3, 2018 at 10:07 AM Daniel Wurst  wrote:

> All,
>
> Thank you for the great feedback in this thread. This has been a great
> discussion very helpful for us.
>
> For those of you who have mentioned going with the hotel model model APs.
> Can you explain or show what the physical installation ends up looking
> like? We are considering this approach. We are an Aruba shop.
>
> Thank you,
>
> Dan
>
> On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 1:33 PM Michael Cole  wrote:
>
>>  We’re in the middle of rewiring our entire campus and building out
>> new data closets, upgrading fiber and switching. In our ResHalls we moved
>> to an hotel model type wireless access point, one per room that has a
>> couple of wired connections on the bottom of it to plug devices into.  In
>> rewiring we’ve pulled to new cables into each room for the wireless.  We’ve
>> been through an AP upgrade in some of the buildings already and it’s
>> working out well.  We started out with the Aruba 103h, and a few years ago
>> moved up to the 205H, and I suspect in a couple of more years we’ll move to
>> the 3xx series.  It’s been a nice solution for us between providing wired
>> and wireless at a reasonable cost, and has been rock solid
>> performance/maintenance wise.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv <
>> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> *On Behalf Of *Brian Helman
>> *Sent:* Friday, August 31, 2018 11:54 AM
>>
>>
>> *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
>> *Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Only in Student Housing?
>>
>>
>>
>> We don’t support gaming on the wireless network.  It’s just too much of a
>> headache right now .. between .1x, 11n in some res halls, 11ac in others,
>> 2.4GHz/5GHz, latency/disconnects/interference/signal strength/etc,
>> multi-vendor, yada yada.  If we get to a point where we are single-vendor
>> with solid 5GHz coverage everywhere, we’ll reconsider.  It’s tough to have
>> the same student have different experiences with WiFi year to year as they
>> move to different res halls.
>>
>>
>>
>> -Brian
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv <
>> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> *On Behalf Of *Enfield, Chuck
>> *Sent:* Monday, August 27, 2018 9:38 AM
>> *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
>> *Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Only in Student Housing?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks Jacob.  That’s exactly the kind of info I was hoping for.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv <
>> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> *On Behalf Of *Barros, Jacob
>> *Sent:* Monday, August 27, 2018 8:37 AM
>> *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
>> *Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Only in Student Housing?
>>
>>
>>
>> We are still providing wired connections as desired.  I believe 8% is our
>> trend through the years but my impression from the first two weeks of
>> school is that number is climbing.  Physical connections are free and we
>> offer an ethernet cable for free as well.   The beginning of our on ground
>> undergrad semester is busy with connections, but very little maintenance
>> afterward.  Gamers consider it a value and it costs us very little.  We've
>> built two new dorms in the last five years and did pull cables to rooms in
>> anticipation of having a full hospitality to room deployment in the
>> future.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Jacob Barros*
>>
>> *Associate Director of IT, Network and Operations*
>>
>> *Email:** jkbar...@grace.edu  *
>>
>> *Phone:** 574.372.5100 ext. 6178 <(574)%20372-5100>*
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 2:51 PM, Enfield, Chuck  wrote:
>>
>> I don’t want to hijack Dan’s thread, but I wouldn’t mind adding to it if
>> he doesn’t mind.
>>
>>
>>
>>

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Only in Student Housing?

[Daniel Wurst]

All,

Thank you for the great feedback in this thread. This has been a great
discussion very helpful for us.

For those of you who have mentioned going with the hotel model model APs.
Can you explain or show what the physical installation ends up looking
like? We are considering this approach. We are an Aruba shop.

Thank you,

Dan

On Fri, Aug 31, 2018 at 1:33 PM Michael Cole  wrote:

>  We’re in the middle of rewiring our entire campus and building out
> new data closets, upgrading fiber and switching. In our ResHalls we moved
> to an hotel model type wireless access point, one per room that has a
> couple of wired connections on the bottom of it to plug devices into.  In
> rewiring we’ve pulled to new cables into each room for the wireless.  We’ve
> been through an AP upgrade in some of the buildings already and it’s
> working out well.  We started out with the Aruba 103h, and a few years ago
> moved up to the 205H, and I suspect in a couple of more years we’ll move to
> the 3xx series.  It’s been a nice solution for us between providing wired
> and wireless at a reasonable cost, and has been rock solid
> performance/maintenance wise.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv <
> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> *On Behalf Of *Brian Helman
> *Sent:* Friday, August 31, 2018 11:54 AM
>
>
> *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
> *Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Only in Student Housing?
>
>
>
> We don’t support gaming on the wireless network.  It’s just too much of a
> headache right now .. between .1x, 11n in some res halls, 11ac in others,
> 2.4GHz/5GHz, latency/disconnects/interference/signal strength/etc,
> multi-vendor, yada yada.  If we get to a point where we are single-vendor
> with solid 5GHz coverage everywhere, we’ll reconsider.  It’s tough to have
> the same student have different experiences with WiFi year to year as they
> move to different res halls.
>
>
>
> -Brian
>
>
>
> *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv <
> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> *On Behalf Of *Enfield, Chuck
> *Sent:* Monday, August 27, 2018 9:38 AM
> *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
> *Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Only in Student Housing?
>
>
>
> Thanks Jacob.  That’s exactly the kind of info I was hoping for.
>
>
>
> *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv <
> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> *On Behalf Of *Barros, Jacob
> *Sent:* Monday, August 27, 2018 8:37 AM
> *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
> *Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Only in Student Housing?
>
>
>
> We are still providing wired connections as desired.  I believe 8% is our
> trend through the years but my impression from the first two weeks of
> school is that number is climbing.  Physical connections are free and we
> offer an ethernet cable for free as well.   The beginning of our on ground
> undergrad semester is busy with connections, but very little maintenance
> afterward.  Gamers consider it a value and it costs us very little.  We've
> built two new dorms in the last five years and did pull cables to rooms in
> anticipation of having a full hospitality to room deployment in the
> future.
>
>
>
>
> *Jacob Barros*
>
> *Associate Director of IT, Network and Operations*
>
> *Email:** jkbar...@grace.edu  *
>
> *Phone:** 574.372.5100 ext. 6178 <(574)%20372-5100>*
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 2:51 PM, Enfield, Chuck  wrote:
>
> I don’t want to hijack Dan’s thread, but I wouldn’t mind adding to it if
> he doesn’t mind.
>
>
>
> I know from previous threads that lots of schools have gone Wi-Fi-only,
> and issues are minimal.  But, as an institution that has both wired and
> wireless enabled throughout the residence halls, about 15% of our residents
> still plug in.  It was easy for us to do both because we were really late
> to provide Wi-Fi, so our legacy wired network is still serviceable.  At
> some point in the next couple years we’ll have to decide whether or not to
> replace it.  That requires an assessment of the value proposition.  15% use
> seems to suggest that there’s still significant value in providing wired
> connectivity, but I’m not sure it satisfactorily answers the question.
> It’s safe to assume that some users really want that wired connection for
> good reasons, and other users who prefer a wired connection if it’s
> available, but really wouldn’t miss it if it wasn’t.  It’s to determine how
> many each make up that 15%.
>
>
>
> I’m curious to hear from institutions that provide wired connections upon
> request.  If you do that, how many get r

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Only in Student Housing?

[Michael Cole]

 We’re in the middle of rewiring our entire campus and building out new 
data closets, upgrading fiber and switching. In our ResHalls we moved to an 
hotel model type wireless access point, one per room that has a couple of wired 
connections on the bottom of it to plug devices into.  In rewiring we’ve pulled 
to new cables into each room for the wireless.  We’ve been through an AP 
upgrade in some of the buildings already and it’s working out well.  We started 
out with the Aruba 103h, and a few years ago moved up to the 205H, and I 
suspect in a couple of more years we’ll move to the 3xx series.  It’s been a 
nice solution for us between providing wired and wireless at a reasonable cost, 
and has been rock solid performance/maintenance wise.


From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
 On Behalf Of Brian Helman
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2018 11:54 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Only in Student Housing?

We don’t support gaming on the wireless network.  It’s just too much of a 
headache right now .. between .1x, 11n in some res halls, 11ac in others, 
2.4GHz/5GHz, latency/disconnects/interference/signal strength/etc, 
multi-vendor, yada yada.  If we get to a point where we are single-vendor with 
solid 5GHz coverage everywhere, we’ll reconsider.  It’s tough to have the same 
student have different experiences with WiFi year to year as they move to 
different res halls.

-Brian

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> 
On Behalf Of Enfield, Chuck
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2018 9:38 AM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Only in Student Housing?

Thanks Jacob.  That’s exactly the kind of info I was hoping for.

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> 
On Behalf Of Barros, Jacob
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2018 8:37 AM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Only in Student Housing?

We are still providing wired connections as desired.  I believe 8% is our trend 
through the years but my impression from the first two weeks of school is that 
number is climbing.  Physical connections are free and we offer an ethernet 
cable for free as well.   The beginning of our on ground undergrad semester is 
busy with connections, but very little maintenance afterward.  Gamers consider 
it a value and it costs us very little.  We've built two new dorms in the last 
five years and did pull cables to rooms in anticipation of having a full 
hospitality to room deployment in the future.




Jacob Barros

Associate Director of IT, Network and Operations

Email: jkbar...@grace.edu<mailto:jkbar...@grace.edu>

Phone: 574.372.5100 ext. 6178

[https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/UL13vM331_cldE--6pe0tmF8xi10XejwQWh_iIo3_WnKqa3GNTj7qfC8zMm-AathAnMQoUG1LNv5GzD35OyxQ_x_V2RG30D4r5ucKFdYJkE1-Z-d98UW1NPWapbWxgOAi68e0c7q]


On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 2:51 PM, Enfield, Chuck 
mailto:cae...@psu.edu>> wrote:
I don’t want to hijack Dan’s thread, but I wouldn’t mind adding to it if he 
doesn’t mind.

I know from previous threads that lots of schools have gone Wi-Fi-only, and 
issues are minimal.  But, as an institution that has both wired and wireless 
enabled throughout the residence halls, about 15% of our residents still plug 
in.  It was easy for us to do both because we were really late to provide 
Wi-Fi, so our legacy wired network is still serviceable.  At some point in the 
next couple years we’ll have to decide whether or not to replace it.  That 
requires an assessment of the value proposition.  15% use seems to suggest that 
there’s still significant value in providing wired connectivity, but I’m not 
sure it satisfactorily answers the question.  It’s safe to assume that some 
users really want that wired connection for good reasons, and other users who 
prefer a wired connection if it’s available, but really wouldn’t miss it if it 
wasn’t.  It’s to determine how many each make up that 15%.

I’m curious to hear from institutions that provide wired connections upon 
request.  If you do that, how many get requested?  Is it free, or is there a 
charge?  If a charge, how much?  …and anything else illuminating you can 
no-doubt contribute.

Thanks,

Chuck


From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> 
On Behalf Of Entwistle, Bruce
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 2:16 PM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Only in Student Housing?

Last year we converted our first residence hall to wireless only and there were 
minimal challenges.   You could consider installing the small hospitality APs 

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Only in Student Housing?

[Brian Helman]

We don’t support gaming on the wireless network.  It’s just too much of a 
headache right now .. between .1x, 11n in some res halls, 11ac in others, 
2.4GHz/5GHz, latency/disconnects/interference/signal strength/etc, 
multi-vendor, yada yada.  If we get to a point where we are single-vendor with 
solid 5GHz coverage everywhere, we’ll reconsider.  It’s tough to have the same 
student have different experiences with WiFi year to year as they move to 
different res halls.

-Brian

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
 On Behalf Of Enfield, Chuck
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2018 9:38 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Only in Student Housing?

Thanks Jacob.  That’s exactly the kind of info I was hoping for.

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> 
On Behalf Of Barros, Jacob
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2018 8:37 AM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Only in Student Housing?

We are still providing wired connections as desired.  I believe 8% is our trend 
through the years but my impression from the first two weeks of school is that 
number is climbing.  Physical connections are free and we offer an ethernet 
cable for free as well.   The beginning of our on ground undergrad semester is 
busy with connections, but very little maintenance afterward.  Gamers consider 
it a value and it costs us very little.  We've built two new dorms in the last 
five years and did pull cables to rooms in anticipation of having a full 
hospitality to room deployment in the future.




Jacob Barros

Associate Director of IT, Network and Operations

Email: jkbar...@grace.edu<mailto:jkbar...@grace.edu>

Phone: 574.372.5100 ext. 6178

[https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/UL13vM331_cldE--6pe0tmF8xi10XejwQWh_iIo3_WnKqa3GNTj7qfC8zMm-AathAnMQoUG1LNv5GzD35OyxQ_x_V2RG30D4r5ucKFdYJkE1-Z-d98UW1NPWapbWxgOAi68e0c7q]


On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 2:51 PM, Enfield, Chuck 
mailto:cae...@psu.edu>> wrote:
I don’t want to hijack Dan’s thread, but I wouldn’t mind adding to it if he 
doesn’t mind.

I know from previous threads that lots of schools have gone Wi-Fi-only, and 
issues are minimal.  But, as an institution that has both wired and wireless 
enabled throughout the residence halls, about 15% of our residents still plug 
in.  It was easy for us to do both because we were really late to provide 
Wi-Fi, so our legacy wired network is still serviceable.  At some point in the 
next couple years we’ll have to decide whether or not to replace it.  That 
requires an assessment of the value proposition.  15% use seems to suggest that 
there’s still significant value in providing wired connectivity, but I’m not 
sure it satisfactorily answers the question.  It’s safe to assume that some 
users really want that wired connection for good reasons, and other users who 
prefer a wired connection if it’s available, but really wouldn’t miss it if it 
wasn’t.  It’s to determine how many each make up that 15%.

I’m curious to hear from institutions that provide wired connections upon 
request.  If you do that, how many get requested?  Is it free, or is there a 
charge?  If a charge, how much?  …and anything else illuminating you can 
no-doubt contribute.

Thanks,

Chuck


From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> 
On Behalf Of Entwistle, Bruce
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 2:16 PM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Only in Student Housing?

Last year we converted our first residence hall to wireless only and there were 
minimal challenges.   You could consider installing the small hospitality APs 
in the rooms and then there would be wired ports available if necessary.

Bruce Entwistle
Network Manager
University of Redlands


From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> 
On Behalf Of Daniel Wurst
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 11:12 AM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Only in Student Housing?

Hi All,

We are looking into building a new student housing building and are considering 
going Wifi only for network connectivity. We were wondering if anyone else has 
gone the route of only allowing network connectivity via wireless. If so, can 
you share your experience, lessons learned, and advice.

Thank you,

Dan
--
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Network Engineer
Denison University
wur...@denison.edu<mailto:wur...@denison.edu>
740-587-6229

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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Only in Student Housing?

[Enfield, Chuck]

Thanks Jacob.  That’s exactly the kind of info I was hoping for.

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
 On Behalf Of Barros, Jacob
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2018 8:37 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Only in Student Housing?

We are still providing wired connections as desired.  I believe 8% is our trend 
through the years but my impression from the first two weeks of school is that 
number is climbing.  Physical connections are free and we offer an ethernet 
cable for free as well.   The beginning of our on ground undergrad semester is 
busy with connections, but very little maintenance afterward.  Gamers consider 
it a value and it costs us very little.  We've built two new dorms in the last 
five years and did pull cables to rooms in anticipation of having a full 
hospitality to room deployment in the future.




Jacob Barros

Associate Director of IT, Network and Operations

Email: jkbar...@grace.edu<mailto:jkbar...@grace.edu>

Phone: 574.372.5100 ext. 6178

[https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/UL13vM331_cldE--6pe0tmF8xi10XejwQWh_iIo3_WnKqa3GNTj7qfC8zMm-AathAnMQoUG1LNv5GzD35OyxQ_x_V2RG30D4r5ucKFdYJkE1-Z-d98UW1NPWapbWxgOAi68e0c7q]



On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 2:51 PM, Enfield, Chuck 
mailto:cae...@psu.edu>> wrote:
I don’t want to hijack Dan’s thread, but I wouldn’t mind adding to it if he 
doesn’t mind.

I know from previous threads that lots of schools have gone Wi-Fi-only, and 
issues are minimal.  But, as an institution that has both wired and wireless 
enabled throughout the residence halls, about 15% of our residents still plug 
in.  It was easy for us to do both because we were really late to provide 
Wi-Fi, so our legacy wired network is still serviceable.  At some point in the 
next couple years we’ll have to decide whether or not to replace it.  That 
requires an assessment of the value proposition.  15% use seems to suggest that 
there’s still significant value in providing wired connectivity, but I’m not 
sure it satisfactorily answers the question.  It’s safe to assume that some 
users really want that wired connection for good reasons, and other users who 
prefer a wired connection if it’s available, but really wouldn’t miss it if it 
wasn’t.  It’s to determine how many each make up that 15%.

I’m curious to hear from institutions that provide wired connections upon 
request.  If you do that, how many get requested?  Is it free, or is there a 
charge?  If a charge, how much?  …and anything else illuminating you can 
no-doubt contribute.

Thanks,

Chuck


From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> 
On Behalf Of Entwistle, Bruce
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 2:16 PM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Only in Student Housing?

Last year we converted our first residence hall to wireless only and there were 
minimal challenges.   You could consider installing the small hospitality APs 
in the rooms and then there would be wired ports available if necessary.

Bruce Entwistle
Network Manager
University of Redlands


From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> 
On Behalf Of Daniel Wurst
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 11:12 AM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Only in Student Housing?

Hi All,

We are looking into building a new student housing building and are considering 
going Wifi only for network connectivity. We were wondering if anyone else has 
gone the route of only allowing network connectivity via wireless. If so, can 
you share your experience, lessons learned, and advice.

Thank you,

Dan
--
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Network Engineer
Denison University
wur...@denison.edu<mailto:wur...@denison.edu>
740-587-6229

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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Only in Student Housing?

[Barros, Jacob]

We are still providing wired connections as desired.  I believe 8% is our
trend through the years but my impression from the first two weeks of
school is that number is climbing.  Physical connections are free and we
offer an ethernet cable for free as well.   The beginning of our on ground
undergrad semester is busy with connections, but very little maintenance
afterward.  Gamers consider it a value and it costs us very little.  We've
built two new dorms in the last five years and did pull cables to rooms in
anticipation of having a full hospitality to room deployment in the
future.


Jacob Barros

Associate Director of IT, Network and Operations

Email: jkbar...@grace.edu

Phone: 574.372.5100 ext. 6178






On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 2:51 PM, Enfield, Chuck  wrote:

> I don’t want to hijack Dan’s thread, but I wouldn’t mind adding to it if
> he doesn’t mind.
>
>
>
> I know from previous threads that lots of schools have gone Wi-Fi-only,
> and issues are minimal.  But, as an institution that has both wired and
> wireless enabled throughout the residence halls, about 15% of our residents
> still plug in.  It was easy for us to do both because we were really late
> to provide Wi-Fi, so our legacy wired network is still serviceable.  At
> some point in the next couple years we’ll have to decide whether or not to
> replace it.  That requires an assessment of the value proposition.  15% use
> seems to suggest that there’s still significant value in providing wired
> connectivity, but I’m not sure it satisfactorily answers the question.
> It’s safe to assume that some users really want that wired connection for
> good reasons, and other users who prefer a wired connection if it’s
> available, but really wouldn’t miss it if it wasn’t.  It’s to determine how
> many each make up that 15%.
>
>
>
> I’m curious to hear from institutions that provide wired connections upon
> request.  If you do that, how many get requested?  Is it free, or is there
> a charge?  If a charge, how much?  …and anything else illuminating you can
> no-doubt contribute.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Chuck
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv <
> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> *On Behalf Of *Entwistle, Bruce
> *Sent:* Friday, August 24, 2018 2:16 PM
> *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
> *Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Only in Student Housing?
>
>
>
> Last year we converted our first residence hall to wireless only and there
> were minimal challenges.   You could consider installing the small
> hospitality APs in the rooms and then there would be wired ports available
> if necessary.
>
>
>
> Bruce Entwistle
>
> Network Manager
>
> University of Redlands
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv <
> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> *On Behalf Of *Daniel Wurst
> *Sent:* Friday, August 24, 2018 11:12 AM
> *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
> *Subject:* [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Only in Student Housing?
>
>
>
> Hi All,
>
>
>
> We are looking into building a new student housing building and are
> considering going Wifi only for network connectivity. We were wondering if
> anyone else has gone the route of only allowing network connectivity via
> wireless. If so, can you share your experience, lessons learned, and advice.
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>
>
>
> Dan
>
> --
>
> Daniel Wurst
>
> Network Engineer
>
> Denison University
>
> wur...@denison.edu
>
> 740-587-6229
>
>
>
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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Only in Student Housing?

[Yahya M. Jaber]

Hi,

I started doing this as a test  last month 1810W AP’s with Cradle, here are my 
findings so far:


-  No extra installation costs due to the cradle, it looks nice.

-  4 extra ports with PoE out for the phone. Which can be configured 
individually.

-  Ability to have a local SSID configured by the user “just for the 
sake of any device that won’t work on the WLC SSID”.

Things to consider:

-  The AP and the clients should be on the same VLAN so the user can 
access the AP and configures the local SSID.

-  A bug I faced when I convert the AP to OEAP mode which disables the 
CDP and uses LLDP, I need the OEAP feature to use the local SSID.

-  Power requirements for 1810W is PoE+ to run the PoE out port, which 
is strange, as the older models use PoE 702 and the newer ones use PoE 1815! So 
you might need to consider buying the power adapter along with the AP.

-  Make sure to disable DTLS on the AP when converting it to OEAP as it 
will kill the throughput due to encryption/decryption.

Other than that it seems like the right choice.

Yahya Jaber.
Sr. Wireless Engineer
IT Network & Communications – Engineering
Building 14, Level 3, Rm 308-WS07
KAUST 23955-6900 Thuwal, KSA

Email yahya.ja...@kaust.edu.sa
Office +966 (0) 12 8081237
Mobile +966 (0) 558697555
On Call Rotation Mobile: +966 54 470 1177

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
[mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU] On Behalf Of Daniel Wurst
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 21:12
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Only in Student Housing?

Hi All,

We are looking into building a new student housing building and are considering 
going Wifi only for network connectivity. We were wondering if anyone else has 
gone the route of only allowing network connectivity via wireless. If so, can 
you share your experience, lessons learned, and advice.

Thank you,

Dan
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Denison University
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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Only in Student Housing?

[Jeffrey D. Sessler]

Dan,

We were one of the first colleges nationally to provide wired “gigabit to the 
pillow” in all of our residential halls. Today, those residential halls are 
WiFi-only and we’ve abandoned the wired, going as far as to remove the copper 
doing renovations.

Done well, with dense coverage in-room as well as in hallways, common spaces, 
etc. there are only outlier cases where a wired port would be desirable.

I knew wired networking in Residential halls was at an end when a number of our 
first-years ask, “What’s an Ethernet Cable?” They’ve spent there 
Internet-connected life on wireless devices, so the term and concept is now 
foreign.

Jeff

From: "wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu"  
on behalf of Daniel Wurst 
Reply-To: "wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" 

Date: Friday, August 24, 2018 at 11:11 AM
To: "wireless-lan@listserv.educause.edu" 
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Only in Student Housing?

Hi All,

We are looking into building a new student housing building and are considering 
going Wifi only for network connectivity. We were wondering if anyone else has 
gone the route of only allowing network connectivity via wireless. If so, can 
you share your experience, lessons learned, and advice.

Thank you,

Dan
--
Daniel Wurst
Network Engineer
Denison University
wur...@denison.edu
740-587-6229

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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Only in Student Housing?

[Hunter Fuller]

The main reasons we keep running one port per pillow is gaming and research
projects.

Students want their gaming PCs to have wired Ethernet, and they sometimes
need to transfer large files for research or classwork.

As a result of these factors, we'll likely keep installing the drops to
each room, even if we do not connect them except by request.

On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 2:02 PM Joel Coehoorn  wrote:

> I don't see a need for port-to-pillow anymore, but I believe it is still
> helpful to have wired jacks in common spaces for the building and common
> rooms within suites.
>
> Part of the belief stems from the idea there is a difference between what
> students' natural behavior would be and what it will be if you ask them to
> do something. In this case, students have grown up wireless and very few
> are naturally inclined to even think about plugging in a device. However, I
> have found you can encourage students to connect smart TV devices via the
> wired port in the common space when possible, and many seem to understand
> this can really help throughput for everyone once they hear the message.
>
> I don't have stats at this point in the semester for exactly how much
> ports are used, but I know it's helped in previous terms. This wouldn't
> happen if we didn't make the ports available and also communicate to
> students how they benefit from using them.
>
> Joel Coehoorn
> Director of Information Technology
> 402.363.5603 <(402)%20363-5603>
> *jcoeho...@york.edu *
>
> *Please contact helpd...@york.edu  for technical
> assistance.*
>
>
> The mission of York College is to transform lives through
> Christ-centered education and to equip students for lifelong service to
> God, family, and society
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 1:51 PM Enfield, Chuck  wrote:
>
>> I don’t want to hijack Dan’s thread, but I wouldn’t mind adding to it if
>> he doesn’t mind.
>>
>>
>>
>> I know from previous threads that lots of schools have gone Wi-Fi-only,
>> and issues are minimal.  But, as an institution that has both wired and
>> wireless enabled throughout the residence halls, about 15% of our residents
>> still plug in.  It was easy for us to do both because we were really late
>> to provide Wi-Fi, so our legacy wired network is still serviceable.  At
>> some point in the next couple years we’ll have to decide whether or not to
>> replace it.  That requires an assessment of the value proposition.  15% use
>> seems to suggest that there’s still significant value in providing wired
>> connectivity, but I’m not sure it satisfactorily answers the question.
>> It’s safe to assume that some users really want that wired connection for
>> good reasons, and other users who prefer a wired connection if it’s
>> available, but really wouldn’t miss it if it wasn’t.  It’s to determine how
>> many each make up that 15%.
>>
>>
>>
>> I’m curious to hear from institutions that provide wired connections upon
>> request.  If you do that, how many get requested?  Is it free, or is there
>> a charge?  If a charge, how much?  …and anything else illuminating you can
>> no-doubt contribute.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>>
>> Chuck
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv <
>> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> *On Behalf Of *Entwistle, Bruce
>> *Sent:* Friday, August 24, 2018 2:16 PM
>> *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
>> *Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Only in Student Housing?
>>
>>
>>
>> Last year we converted our first residence hall to wireless only and
>> there were minimal challenges.   You could consider installing the small
>> hospitality APs in the rooms and then there would be wired ports available
>> if necessary.
>>
>>
>>
>> Bruce Entwistle
>>
>> Network Manager
>>
>> University of Redlands
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv <
>> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> *On Behalf Of *Daniel Wurst
>> *Sent:* Friday, August 24, 2018 11:12 AM
>> *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
>> *Subject:* [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Only in Student Housing?
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>>
>>
>> We are looking into building a new student housing building and are
>> considering going Wifi only for network connectivity. We were wondering if
>> anyone else has gone the route of only allowing network connectivity via
>> wireless. If so, can you share your experience, lessons learne

RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Only in Student Housing?

[AIS]

How do your xbox users feel about it?

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
 On Behalf Of Entwistle, Bruce
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 2:16 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Only in Student Housing?

Last year we converted our first residence hall to wireless only and there were 
minimal challenges.   You could consider installing the small hospitality APs 
in the rooms and then there would be wired ports available if necessary.

Bruce Entwistle
Network Manager
University of Redlands


From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> 
On Behalf Of Daniel Wurst
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 11:12 AM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Only in Student Housing?

Hi All,

We are looking into building a new student housing building and are considering 
going Wifi only for network connectivity. We were wondering if anyone else has 
gone the route of only allowing network connectivity via wireless. If so, can 
you share your experience, lessons learned, and advice.

Thank you,

Dan
--
Daniel Wurst
Network Engineer
Denison University
wur...@denison.edu<mailto:wur...@denison.edu>
740-587-6229

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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Only in Student Housing?

[Joel Coehoorn]

I don't see a need for port-to-pillow anymore, but I believe it is still
helpful to have wired jacks in common spaces for the building and common
rooms within suites.

Part of the belief stems from the idea there is a difference between what
students' natural behavior would be and what it will be if you ask them to
do something. In this case, students have grown up wireless and very few
are naturally inclined to even think about plugging in a device. However, I
have found you can encourage students to connect smart TV devices via the
wired port in the common space when possible, and many seem to understand
this can really help throughput for everyone once they hear the message.

I don't have stats at this point in the semester for exactly how much ports
are used, but I know it's helped in previous terms. This wouldn't happen if
we didn't make the ports available and also communicate to students how
they benefit from using them.

Joel Coehoorn
Director of Information Technology
402.363.5603
*jcoeho...@york.edu *

*Please contact helpd...@york.edu  for technical
assistance.*


The mission of York College is to transform lives through
Christ-centered education and to equip students for lifelong service to
God, family, and society


On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 1:51 PM Enfield, Chuck  wrote:

> I don’t want to hijack Dan’s thread, but I wouldn’t mind adding to it if
> he doesn’t mind.
>
>
>
> I know from previous threads that lots of schools have gone Wi-Fi-only,
> and issues are minimal.  But, as an institution that has both wired and
> wireless enabled throughout the residence halls, about 15% of our residents
> still plug in.  It was easy for us to do both because we were really late
> to provide Wi-Fi, so our legacy wired network is still serviceable.  At
> some point in the next couple years we’ll have to decide whether or not to
> replace it.  That requires an assessment of the value proposition.  15% use
> seems to suggest that there’s still significant value in providing wired
> connectivity, but I’m not sure it satisfactorily answers the question.
> It’s safe to assume that some users really want that wired connection for
> good reasons, and other users who prefer a wired connection if it’s
> available, but really wouldn’t miss it if it wasn’t.  It’s to determine how
> many each make up that 15%.
>
>
>
> I’m curious to hear from institutions that provide wired connections upon
> request.  If you do that, how many get requested?  Is it free, or is there
> a charge?  If a charge, how much?  …and anything else illuminating you can
> no-doubt contribute.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Chuck
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv <
> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> *On Behalf Of *Entwistle, Bruce
> *Sent:* Friday, August 24, 2018 2:16 PM
> *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
> *Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Only in Student Housing?
>
>
>
> Last year we converted our first residence hall to wireless only and there
> were minimal challenges.   You could consider installing the small
> hospitality APs in the rooms and then there would be wired ports available
> if necessary.
>
>
>
> Bruce Entwistle
>
> Network Manager
>
> University of Redlands
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv <
> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> *On Behalf Of *Daniel Wurst
> *Sent:* Friday, August 24, 2018 11:12 AM
> *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
> *Subject:* [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Only in Student Housing?
>
>
>
> Hi All,
>
>
>
> We are looking into building a new student housing building and are
> considering going Wifi only for network connectivity. We were wondering if
> anyone else has gone the route of only allowing network connectivity via
> wireless. If so, can you share your experience, lessons learned, and advice.
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>
>
>
> Dan
>
> --
>
> Daniel Wurst
>
> Network Engineer
>
> Denison University
>
> wur...@denison.edu
>
> 740-587-6229
>
>
>
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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Only in Student Housing?

[Enfield, Chuck]

I don’t want to hijack Dan’s thread, but I wouldn’t mind adding to it if he 
doesn’t mind.

I know from previous threads that lots of schools have gone Wi-Fi-only, and 
issues are minimal.  But, as an institution that has both wired and wireless 
enabled throughout the residence halls, about 15% of our residents still plug 
in.  It was easy for us to do both because we were really late to provide 
Wi-Fi, so our legacy wired network is still serviceable.  At some point in the 
next couple years we’ll have to decide whether or not to replace it.  That 
requires an assessment of the value proposition.  15% use seems to suggest that 
there’s still significant value in providing wired connectivity, but I’m not 
sure it satisfactorily answers the question.  It’s safe to assume that some 
users really want that wired connection for good reasons, and other users who 
prefer a wired connection if it’s available, but really wouldn’t miss it if it 
wasn’t.  It’s to determine how many each make up that 15%.

I’m curious to hear from institutions that provide wired connections upon 
request.  If you do that, how many get requested?  Is it free, or is there a 
charge?  If a charge, how much?  …and anything else illuminating you can 
no-doubt contribute.

Thanks,

Chuck


From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
 On Behalf Of Entwistle, Bruce
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 2:16 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Only in Student Housing?

Last year we converted our first residence hall to wireless only and there were 
minimal challenges.   You could consider installing the small hospitality APs 
in the rooms and then there would be wired ports available if necessary.

Bruce Entwistle
Network Manager
University of Redlands


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mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> 
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Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 11:12 AM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Only in Student Housing?

Hi All,

We are looking into building a new student housing building and are considering 
going Wifi only for network connectivity. We were wondering if anyone else has 
gone the route of only allowing network connectivity via wireless. If so, can 
you share your experience, lessons learned, and advice.

Thank you,

Dan
--
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Network Engineer
Denison University
wur...@denison.edu<mailto:wur...@denison.edu>
740-587-6229

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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Only in Student Housing?

[Joseph Bernard]

We just opened a building with a wallplate AP in every room.  Any wired 
connections needed are plugged into the jacks on the bottom of the wallplate.  
Things seem okay so far but we haven’t made it to our worst day which is the 
first Tuesday of semester which causes the most stress on our wireless.

Thanks,
Joseph B.

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
 on behalf of Daniel Wurst 

Reply-To: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 

Date: Friday, August 24, 2018 at 2:12 PM
To: "WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU" 
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Only in Student Housing?

Hi All,

We are looking into building a new student housing building and are considering 
going Wifi only for network connectivity. We were wondering if anyone else has 
gone the route of only allowing network connectivity via wireless. If so, can 
you share your experience, lessons learned, and advice.

Thank you,

Dan
--
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Network Engineer
Denison University
wur...@denison.edu
740-587-6229

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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Only in Student Housing?

[Linchuan Yang]

Dear Daniel

We have done this to most of our residence buildings for more than three years.

Before, we gave them wired connection and IP phones. We found that many jacks 
in the rooms were broken, and we spent a lot to do the maintenance on the jacks 
and phones.

Three years ago, we concluded that almost every student in the residence has a 
cell phone, and they do not need the wired connection anymore because they are 
using laptops and mobile devices. So we disabled all of the wireless 
connection, and only enable the jacks if they have special request. This also 
help us to reduce the number of switches in the residence.

You’d better make a good pre-site survey for the wireless coverage in your new 
building ( I spent almost two weeks to do the site survey in the construction 
stage of our new residence), and leave some buffer because after students 
moving in, the furniture and human body can block or absorb some signal. And it 
will not be easy to add more Aps later.

In the past three years, we do not have any major problem for the network 
connection in the residence except the interference from personal rogue routers 
and wireless printers.

Hope it can help for your decision.

Have a good weekend.

Yours,
Linchuan Yang (Antony)
Wireless Networking Analyst
Network Assessment and Integration,
IITS - Concordia University
Tel: (514)848-2424 ext. 7664



From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
 On Behalf Of Daniel Wurst
Sent: August-24-18 2:12 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Only in Student Housing?

Hi All,

We are looking into building a new student housing building and are considering 
going Wifi only for network connectivity. We were wondering if anyone else has 
gone the route of only allowing network connectivity via wireless. If so, can 
you share your experience, lessons learned, and advice.

Thank you,

Dan
--
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Network Engineer
Denison University
wur...@denison.edu
740-587-6229

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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Only in Student Housing?

[Erik Stagg]

+1 for the hospitality APs. That’s what we use in all of our new dorm installs. 
95% of our dorm access is on our wireless network with a few gaming systems 
using the wired ports on the APs.

-Erik

Erik W Stagg
Manager – Networking and Infrastructure
Northern Kentucky University
O: 859-572-1374
est...@nku.edu<mailto:est...@nku.edu>

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
 On Behalf Of Entwistle, Bruce
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 2:16 PM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Only in Student Housing?

Last year we converted our first residence hall to wireless only and there were 
minimal challenges.   You could consider installing the small hospitality APs 
in the rooms and then there would be wired ports available if necessary.

Bruce Entwistle
Network Manager
University of Redlands


From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>> 
On Behalf Of Daniel Wurst
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 11:12 AM
To: 
WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU<mailto:WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Only in Student Housing?

Hi All,

We are looking into building a new student housing building and are considering 
going Wifi only for network connectivity. We were wondering if anyone else has 
gone the route of only allowing network connectivity via wireless. If so, can 
you share your experience, lessons learned, and advice.

Thank you,

Dan
--
Daniel Wurst
Network Engineer
Denison University
wur...@denison.edu<mailto:wur...@denison.edu>
740-587-6229

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RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Only in Student Housing?

[Entwistle, Bruce]

Last year we converted our first residence hall to wireless only and there were 
minimal challenges.   You could consider installing the small hospitality APs 
in the rooms and then there would be wired ports available if necessary.

Bruce Entwistle
Network Manager
University of Redlands


From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv 
 On Behalf Of Daniel Wurst
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2018 11:12 AM
To: WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] Wireless Only in Student Housing?

Hi All,

We are looking into building a new student housing building and are considering 
going Wifi only for network connectivity. We were wondering if anyone else has 
gone the route of only allowing network connectivity via wireless. If so, can 
you share your experience, lessons learned, and advice.

Thank you,

Dan
--
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Network Engineer
Denison University
wur...@denison.edu
740-587-6229

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